Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
Ep2: Leading Belonging in an International School
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to Mel Ellis.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: the role a curriculum plays in fostering a sense of identity; how to handle the process of a teacher arriving and leaving in a holistic way; and how wider issues such as agency, context and geography can affect that sense of belonging.
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