Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Episodes
42 episodes
Exploring Coaching and Cultural Integration, with Mai Mahmoud
In this episode, the conversation centers on coaching within educational environments, emphasizing how coaching techniques align with and support both personal growth and community development. Our guest, Mai Mahmoud, shares her journey from in...
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Season 4
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Episode 3
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43:21
Interconnectedness, AI and Coaching, with Rob Kemp
Diving into the core of coaching, the episode explores its values and impact on individuals and organisations, particularly schools. Our guest, Rob Kemp, shares insights on measuring the impact of coaching, the role of authenticity, and the eme...
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Season 4
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Episode 2
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44:43
Making teaching a more family-friendly career for parents: Emma Sheppard of the MTPT Project
In the fourth series of the MSB podcast, now rebranded as 'Interbeing', the focus returns to coaching and its values in supporting both self-reflection and cultivating generative relationships within educational environments. The term 'inter be...
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Season 4
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Episode 1
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45:23
A Keynote Conversation: Fostering Brave Spaces and Curiosity with Claire Pedrick
Welcome to the fourth series of the MSB podcast, now titled Interbeing. This season focuses on how coaching values can support school communities by encouraging inward reflection and outward, generative relationships. Inspired by Zen Master Thi...
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Season 4
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41:35
Pedagogy & Assessment Round Table
Many teachers want to make changes, but feel confined by the requirements of curricula and assessment. In this episode, our round table guests discuss their goals for the future of assessment, and how you can effect change even within the curre...
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Season 3
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Episode 8
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39:46
Pedagogy & Assessment, with Angeline Aow
What are the structures that restrict change in education? How do we ensure that our students leave our schools with qualifications that reflect the breadth of their knowledge and skill? Our guest in this episode, Angeline Aow, has ...
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Season 3
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Episode 7
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34:12
Ecological Domain Round Table
Saving the planet can seem a daunting and overwhelming task, so how do we communicate the scale of the problem with hope and excitement in our schools? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of ecology and nature...
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Season 3
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Episode 6
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34:05
The Ecological Domain, with Noan Fesnoux
With the effects of climate change all around us, discussion of the future must involve ecological considerations, but our guest in this episode invites us to think beyond environmental concerns, and to treat education itself as ecology....
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Season 3
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Episode 5
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31:09
Political Economy Round Table Discussion
How can we work with our students to understand their political and cultural identities in a world of constant change? In this episode, we’re joined by three educators to discuss the domain of political economy, identity, privilege and culture ...
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Season 3
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Episode 4
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37:34
The Domain of Political Economy, with Homa Tavanger
Many international schools are working hard on confronting issues of inequality, justice and global politics. Involving the wider school community can be challenging without a guide or a framework to follow. Our guest in this episode, Homa Tava...
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Season 3
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Episode 3
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35:40
Technology Round Table Discussion
How are the opportunities and challenges that come with the future of technology being felt in schools? This episode, we’re joined by three educators, Rachael Thrash, Yasmine Aslam-Hashmi and Rory Douglas, to discuss futures focussed technology...
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Season 3
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Episode 2
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35:08
The Technological Domain, with Tricia Friedman
For many, contemplation of the technological domain, the massive swift growth of generative AI, for example, comes with fear and trepidation. So we’re delighted to be joined today by Tricia Friedman, who brings calm, inspiration and fun to the ...
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Season 3
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Episode 1
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35:00
Exploring Futures-Focused Leadership for International Schools, with Patrick Alexander
For our introduction to season 3, we’re delighted to be joined by Patrick Alexander from Oxford Brookes University. Over the summer we’ve been working with Patrick to research and create ...
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Season 3
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1:05:20
S2Ep13: How We Can Help Students To Become Global Citizens with Dee Lanier
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 2
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Episode 13
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35:36
S2Ep12: How To Just Be: Unfreezing Our Leadership Potential with Nicholas Janni
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 2
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Episode 12
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34:55
S2Ep11: Nurturing The Cultural Richness Of International Schools with Shane Leaning
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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34:17
S2Ep10: Respect, Reflection, And Culturally Responsive Leadership with Ryan Persaud
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 1
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Episode 10
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31:22
S2Ep9: How To Truly Listen: Nurturing A 'Thinking Environment' with Candice Smith
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of
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Season 1
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Episode 9
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35:53
S2Ep8: Creative & Connected Organisations: An Improv-able Approach with Stuart Reid
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Gill Kelly and Naomi Ward of
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Season 1
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Episode 8
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36:38
S2Ep7: The Growing Importance Of Prioritising Wellbeing In Schools with Matthew Savage (part 2)
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 1
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Episode 7
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25:05
S2Ep6: Data-Driven Wellbeing In Schools: How To Nurture DEIJ with Matthew Savage (part 1)
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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29:14
S2Ep5: Empowering Young Voices: Faith, Peace & Feminism with St. Mary's School
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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36:28
S2Ep4: How We Can Create Systemic Kindness with Sam Isaacson
Welcome to the Principled podcast.In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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33:00
