Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
Ep4: Peace Building in Schools with Roy Leighton
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Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Gill Kelly of Making Stuff Better talk to author Roy Leighton.
They discuss various topics based around the theme of belonging, including: why inclusion is so vital but belonging can potentially be dangerous - in a certain context; why he's always been fascinated by the work of Johan Galtung; and how safe, sacred spaces can be truly transformative to a school.
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To find the resources Roy mentioned, look here:
Positive Peace Cambridge: https://www.positivepeacecambridge.org/
CPERG: https://www.cperg.org/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roy-leighton-mphil-cantab-frsa-6b0254/?originalSubdomain=uk
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Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
