Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
S2Ep7: The Growing Importance Of Prioritising Wellbeing In Schools with Matthew Savage (part 2)
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Matthew Savage, speaker, trainer, coach, and founder of The Mona Lisa Effect®, through which Matthew explores the intersection between wellbeing and DEIJ in schools all around the world.
In part 2 of their two-part series, they discuss the transformative effect of restorative practices, the need for systemic thinking, and the urgency trap.
In a society where academic intelligence is prized above all else, there seems to be an ‘either/or’ approach when it comes to good grades and wellbeing. But do we have to forfeit one for the other, or is there a symbiotic relationship between the two? Join Matt and Naomi as they discuss all of this and more with esteemed leadership coach Matthew Savage.
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To get in touch with Matthew, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/savageeducation/?originalSubdomain=uk
The Mona Lisa Effect: https://monalisaeffect.me/
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
