Interbeing
Interbeing is a podcast by MSB exploring what it means to lead, coach, and live in a deeply interconnected world. Hosted by Naomi Ward and Matt Hall, the show brings together educators, coaches, and thought leaders to reflect on the questions shaping international schools and beyond.
In this new season we return to the heart of our work: coaching as a way of being. Together we explore how presence, curiosity, and care can shift not just our conversations, but our cultures. Inspired by Thich Nhat Hanh’s teaching on “interbeing,” we recognise that nothing exists in isolation — every choice, every relationship, every pause matters.
Expect honest dialogue, stories from the field, and a commitment to learning in public. Not as answers, but as invitations to think differently about leadership, community, and the future of education.
You can find out more about Futures-Focused Leadership Coaching for International Schools and MSB at www.makingstuffbetter.com
Interbeing
S2Ep12: How To Just Be: Unfreezing Our Leadership Potential with Nicholas Janni
Welcome to the Principled podcast.
In this episode, Matt Hall and Naomi Ward of Making Stuff Better are joined by Nicholas Janni, renowned speaker, coach, and co-founder / programme director at Matrix Development.
Nicholas is also the author of Business Book of the Year 2023 Leader as Healer, a new paradigm for 21st Century leadership - an unflinching call for leaders to leave the old paradigm and move towards a new mode of "leader as healers".
They discuss the role of reverence, intuition, and connection; the two paths to development’ and the power of a simple question.
Does our leadership style originate from childhood? And with this understanding, how can we truly ‘let go’ of frozen trauma and unlock connected, intentional leadership? What impact will this have on organisational health and the way generations lead those behind them?
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To get in touch with Nicholas, you can find him online here:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-janni-976b3817/
Website: https://www.nicholasjanni.com/
The Matrix Development: https://www.thematrixdevelopment.com/
Leaders as Healers book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Leader-Healer-paradigm-21st-century-leadership/dp/1911687069
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To get in touch, please find us online here:
Website: https://makingstuffbetter.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/makingstuffbetterltd/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Makstubet/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/makingstuffbetter/?hl=en
Twitter: https://twitter.com/stuff_better?lang=en
Additional links to follow:
Matt Hall: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-hall-msb/
Gill Kelly: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gillkelly/
Naomi Ward: https://www.linkedin.com/in/naomi-ward-098a1535/
