The Care Girl Podcast
The Care Girl Podcast
When Caregiving Becomes Your Whole Life
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Caregiving can turn you into a nurse, a case manager, a researcher, and a therapist overnight, and nobody hands you a manual. We talk with Naseera, an environmental scientist and founder of the Meridian Spa Club, about what it really looks like to care for a parent when cancer moves fast and the decisions get heavy. She shares the moment she realized her father’s illness was terminal, how she protected her sister from added trauma, and why being the “capable one” in the family can quietly cost you more than people notice.
We also get practical about navigating the healthcare system, including what strong advocacy sounds like in real time. Nasara explains how her father’s VA benefits helped them access quality care, but still required someone to ask hard questions, track details, and speak up when things felt off. If you are caring for an aging parent, a hospitalized loved one, or a family member in rehab, this conversation reinforces a key truth: providers may be doing their best, but you still need an advocate at the bedside and on the phone.
The most honest part is the mental health side. We talk depression, caregiver burnout, and the emotional whiplash of going from 24/7 caregiving to sudden loss. Nasara shares what helped her climb out: therapy, short-term medication, movement, and learning that self-care is not selfish. We close with clear caregiver advice on preparing early, including power of attorney, advance directives, and getting paperwork in order before a crisis hits.
If you know someone caring for a parent with cancer, supporting a veteran through end-of-life care, or trying to hold it together while grieving, share this episode with them. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what part of caregiving do you wish people understood better?
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Welcome And Why Caregiving Matters
SPEAKER_01It's the Care Girl, and this is the Care Girls Podcast. And I have Nasara here today from Atlanta, Georgia. We're going to be talking about all things care, caring for an Asian parent and all that good stuff, guys. You know, this is going to be a good episode today because I find that families really don't have to understand the weight of caring for a loved one. And I just want to kind of give you guys a behind-the-scenes look of a daughter who was caring for her father, and from A to Z had to figure out things on her own. And I just want her to introduce herself. She can kind of tell us what she does, and then I'll be asking some follow-up questions about the care that she gave to her father. Hello, hello. How are you? Thank you for having me. I am well. I am well. I just I'm just so excited to you're my first adult child to actually come on the show to talk about their journey. And this is exciting for me because I I always sit in on the side of the family and I'm coordinating everything. But you had a unique experience in your own life with your father. Can you kind of tell me what you're doing today and how long ago were you giving that care to your father and what type of care you gave?
SPEAKER_02Sure,
Nasara’s Story And Family Loss
SPEAKER_02no problem. So again, thank you for having me here. I'm very excited. I'm always thinking about ways to educate people, whether it's like my family members or friends, on things to do for aging parents. So right now I live in Atlanta, Georgia. I'm an environmental scientist by trade, but I'm also the founder and owner of the Meridian Spa Club. And that is a spa club where I get women together and we travel to different luxury spas to enjoy the space. We kind of have some downtime. And that even in itself kind of bred from my time caretaking and learning the importance of pouring back into myself during caretaking. That became a big hobby of mine, just traveling in different spots, cutting my phone off for the day, disconnecting from everybody and everything. So it kind of bred out of that. But yeah, I'm happy to be here and tell the story. So my father passed about 10 years ago. My mom passed when I was actually 13 years old. So being the eldest daughter of the family, I think people are pretty familiar with that. You kind of fall into the role of the matriarch of the family when your mom does pass away. A year after my father passed away, my older brother passed away as well. So I have to do it. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I've experienced quite a bit of loss in my life and have learned a lot through the process of having to deal with this so many times. So I'm just happy to share anything I've learned, anything and everything I've learned, if it can help anybody in any way through those processes, because it will be the most trying and hardest time of a lot of people's lives.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely, absolutely. Well, I mean, it sounds like you've you've been in the caregiver receipt a few times, or just like coordinating care and just being the matriarch of the family and everything. Let's talk about your father. Did you
Who Her Father Was Before Illness
SPEAKER_01do were you all kind of close, or were you just kind of like thrown into the role because you're, you know, you were the child living at the time? What was their relationship like?
SPEAKER_02So we were close definitely. As I said, my mom passed away when I was 13. So my father took on the responsibility of caring for me, my older brother and my younger sister. He had a lot of responsibility on his back, kind of out of nowhere. My mom passed away when she was still in her 40s, her early 40s. So it was a lot on him, but he stepped up and stepped into the role and took care of us, supported us well until adulthood with anything we wanted to do. So we had a pretty tight relationship. My father and my brother's relationship had some kind of shaky points. So I think that definitely bled into what happened when my father became ill and his caretaking needs. I feel like kind of, you know, the relationship that they had kind of bled into the role that my brother played there. But overall, throughout my entire life, me and my father, I'm very, very blessed to have such an upstanding man as a father who cared for me and really showed me how to grow up. He tried his best to teach me how to be a woman. And, you know, it's a lot for a man to do to try to teach a little girl how to become a woman, but he did his absolute best and supported me my whole life. We had a great relationship, and I always tell people, even though he passed, I wouldn't replace it because I had an outstanding father. I can't speak highly enough about him.
SPEAKER_01I love that. I love that. I've asked that because a lot of times, half of the time, I would say, majority of the time, the father is either not in the position of being the best father, especially in the black community, or they are a great father. So I just wanted to get that background because this would tell us, you know, why you stepped into that role. So can you give me a little bit of his personality and who he was before his illness and the relationship y'all had before all of that? Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_02So my father was Marine Vets. He fought in the Vietnam War. He joined the military when he was 18 years old. He came from very meager upbringings. He grew up in Shiraw, South Carolina, you know, in the middle of the country. So came from a very poor background and joined the military so he could make something of himself. He did that, found religion in his life in his early 20s, got found my mom and got married. So he, even though his background wasn't the best growing up, he really understood the importance of family and getting married and raising your, you know, children and creating that familiar structure. So as far as like his personality, he was a very, very playful person. Like my whole childhood was just laughs and Googles. So we we played rough all day, laughed, joke. He was very childish at heart, which I think I still carry in in myself. Um, I feel like that's what keeps you young a lot of times. That playful, childish nature about yourself. So he had that side of him. And but then he also had his, of course, military upbringing, which, you know, of course, rolled over into our life. So he was very strict when it came to certain things. Um but in addition to his military background, just from a religious standpoint, he was pretty, pretty tough on us when it came to those things. So it was a nice balance of, you know, playing, but also making sure we lived by certain rules as well.
SPEAKER_01I love that. I love that. So what year was it when he started, when he started getting maybe sick? Was it did was he showing like a little bit of decline? Did you notice it? What made him kind of go to the doctor and get that diagnosis that he got? Like what signs did you see being being close to him as his daughter that say, hey, something's not right here?
Agent Orange Exposure And Rapid Decline
SPEAKER_02So actually, my father, when he was in the Vietnam War, he was exposed to Asian Orange. And I'm not sure if you know anything about Asian Orange, but it was an insecticide that was sprayed on vegetation in Vietnam to uncover the bush to find the soldiers on the opposing side. And unfortunately, a lot of US American soldiers got exposed to it as well. And a lot of them fell ill from it. I don't know if it happened to people immediately, but a lot of soldiers who were exposed to it over the years succumbed to cancer and other diseases because of the exposure. So yeah. So from my understanding, this was something my father knew about. Of course, he didn't tell us we were children, you know. I think my mom knew about it, obviously. And I think he had some radiation and some earlier points in his life, but we were children. We had no clue because physically he didn't show any symptoms at all. Not at all. It wasn't until and I remember being in the hospital with him on my 30th birthday. So that I guess that was like what about like 2017, 2016 is when he started to slow down a little bit. And I think the first thing that kind of got affected was his appetite, and he would just be in have you know aches and pains and things like that, and we would go to the doctor, and they knew that he had Asian orange exposure. But from the time that we found out that his cancer metastasized, it happened very, very quickly. So between when we found out it spread, it spread to his bones, unfortunately, it was a very rapid, rapid decline. So it was like he lived with it for you know probably 30, 30, 40 years almost. And then all of a sudden it just blew up and spread.
SPEAKER_01Wow. Wow. So when he had that that that uh doctor's appointment after that diagnosis saying that, hey, it spread to his bones, what what was the action that you decided to take on from there? Did you
Becoming The Primary Care Advocate
SPEAKER_01appoint caregivers or did he not need caregivers? What point did he just he couldn't take care of his stuff anymore? Like what what point was that?
SPEAKER_02So it was it was a decline of about a year to where he couldn't take care of himself anymore. He was in pain, and we we took him to the it was my sister and I took him to the hospital, and that's when I did the full, I guess it was an MRI, I assume. I'm not sure if it was MRI or X-ray. But I remember the doctor pulling me out of his room to show me the images, and it was just me. And I told the doctor, I said, please don't show this to my father or my sister. I didn't want them to see how terrible it was. At that moment I knew, okay, this is terminal, it's just gonna go downhill from now. But that that image was so kind of visually scarring and traumatic to me, seeing lesions on all of his bones, kind of from head to toe. I didn't even want that image stuck in either one of their heads. I didn't want it to affect them, you know, by seeing how terrible it was. I I didn't want them to see that. So I just I asked the doctor to not show them. And I think from that moment, that's when I knew I would probably be taking on a lot of myself because I didn't want them to be affected. Or I wanted to kind of lessen the blow for them at the time. My sister, she was, I think she was in her master's program at the time. So she was still trying to focus on school. I didn't want her to get so distracted and so distraught like I was. So I did shield a lot of things from her in the process, like a lot of the terrible news and stuff that was delivered to me. I tried not to give it to her to not expose her to as much trauma as I was being exposed to at the time.
SPEAKER_01So what was your brother during this time?
SPEAKER_02So my brother was there, he was kind of in and out, he would help with certain things, but I don't know if it's just the natural, you know, I'm also a very nurturing person, just just by nature. Like I love children, I love taking care of people. I'm a very loving and like empathetic and and nurturing person anyway. So it was just very natural to me to, you know, just start taking care of him. My brother was kind of in and out as well. He was there when we needed him for certain things, but it wasn't that 24-hour around the kind of clock caretaking that I was providing, you know, leaving work and making sure, you know, he was okay after I was at the facility, talking to the doctors. I kind of did that. And I I think that my family tend to or tended to not throw me in that role, but I just naturally would take those things on, you know, being again, being the oldest girl. And they just were like, oh, you know, Nassiera's smart. She can figure it out, she can do it, she can talk to the doctors, you know, she can figure out these logistics and stuff because that's who over the years I've proved to be. So I was just kind of looked at as that person in my family.
SPEAKER_01Understandable. That's a and that's a lot, that's a big responsibility and a big role. Do you feel like that you have have had you had some resentment around that role? Um once you, you okay, no resentment. You feel like this is dedicated to your father. Because sometimes we we can we can say, okay, why am I the only one doing this? And why this and why that, you know, eventually, right? Eventually, even when that person passed on, there's there's a certain amount of resentment that you feel because, you know, nobody really stood in that on the other end of helping out, like the way that you really need it, because sometimes it it take it took a toll on your life more than it did the other people's life. Like, hey, she went on and got her master's. Hey, you know, he went on and did this and did that, and then you were kind of stuck with knowing all of the information from the doctor and and holding it in, right? Did you feel like that kind of affected you not on a resentment side side, but more of like your your quality of life at that time when he was still living and going through that diagnosis?
SPEAKER_02As far as resentment, no, especially not my sister. My sister was there right there beside me as much as she could be. You know, she obviously she was trying to take care of things at school, but she was there with me whenever I needed her, and she did things and took care of what whatever I needed her to as well. There were just certain things that I I wanted to take off of her plate because I wanted her to focus on school. So it's not like she asked me or she didn't show up. I I decided to do that because I didn't want her to be as distraught as I was so that she could finish up her program because she was close to graduation at that point. So it was no resentment there. Maybe with my brother in in certain cases. But again, I I think my relationship with my father and my brother's relationship with my father was completely different. You know, sometimes you grow up siblings in the same household but have completely different experiences. And I think he had a different experience in the household than I did grow up. But then also, I'm sorry, in the second part of your question, you asked about did I feel resentment? And then you you there was a second question as well.
SPEAKER_01Um, so did did it affect your life at that time in those years, like were you caregiving for children? Were you know, were you were you in the middle of like your business? Like, did you have to like put things on pause?
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. So
How Caregiving Pauses Your Life
SPEAKER_02again, I I remember being, I was in the hospital with him by myself, sleeping in a chair beside him when I was bringing in my 30th birthday. And I was like, this is sad. Like I should be out with my friends, you know, having a good time and celebrating this milestone in life. But here I am in this cold hospital room, like trying to sleep in a chair beside him while they're trying to take care of him. So it definitely took me away from some parts of my early 30s that I wanted to enjoy, but that's life. Like, you know, I've had multiple enjoyable moments and years in my life. And of course, I didn't want it to happen right then because I felt like that is, you know, your 20s to your 30s is a big transitional time for most people. So yeah, I did feel like I had to, I had to step away from things. I remember at that time I was working in DC, and I thank God I had a job and people who I worked with who were so understanding and flexible and knew the situation I had and allowed me to step away when I needed to and understood the mental space I was in dealing with this. So that also played a huge part. I felt great in knowing that, okay, my job, at least of all things, at least my job won't be affected from this. So that was a huge blessing. But of course, I didn't focus on all the other things I wanted to, whether it was like uh career progression or you know, doing extra things in my life, all that came to a pause. It was like work and dead. And that was that was kind of it. The only other thing I did pick up a lot was going to the gym. And that was something that helped me just with my mental space, was working out a lot. But I I I was in a space where I made sure everything was kind of in the same physical area. So between my job, the gym, and then the rehabilitation centers and hospitals my dad would uh was at. It was all in DC. So I was able to just kind of drive to everything uh really close and take care of everything within a short distance between locations.
SPEAKER_01I love that. So you didn't you so you weren't married and have any children at that time? No. Okay, okay. Yeah, so so that's that's a big thing that I see where the you know the the woman is or the daughter, adult daughter is taking on everything and they they have a family, they have all those things. So that's that's that's definitely a blessing that you are able to step in and not have those other responsibilities because a lot of times that's where a lot of the you know fam blended flam family issues come in when you have to show up for kids and you have to show up for your husband and and all those things. So that that was definitely God's timing on that situation. How did you feel about the care that he received as far as through the through his journey? Were there good, was there good providers? Were there times where he was like, this is not working, and you had to really like kind of advocate and show up for your father?
SPEAKER_02So he was a vet, so we were able to, and he was a 100% disabled vet. So we were able to get care from the VA,
Navigating VA Care And Speaking Up
SPEAKER_02but also because of his 100% disability rating, we were also able to go to external practices. So we went to some of the best, you know, we were able to go to some of the best hospitals in DC and everything was covered. So I will say that was a a huge blessing. The fact that I was able to go to, you know, whatever hospital I wanted to in DC and get him seen by the ecologist there or, you know, this radiation specialist here. So I felt very good about his care throughout the process. It it continued to remind me of how fortunate I was, and it made me continually continually think about how people who don't have maybe someone like me who was able to navigate through systems and research and talk to people and figure things out and call this place and you know just kind of navigate those systems, how difficult it must be for them. Luckily, I I was able to do that. I was able to, you know, it had got to the point where the doctors were asking me, are you in the medical field? Are you, you know, because I'm asking them questions that people typically don't, but it's because of the I'm a researcher by nature and would research things and ask them questions that they sometimes hadn't thought about or ask them about resources that they maybe forgot about. So again, it just continually reminded me if someone is not there for you that can navigate these hospitals and these doctors and these physicians for you, it can be extremely difficult because you know it's they're caring for so many different people at the same time. It is very hard to get, you know, special, and this is not it's not to say that they're they aren't trying their best, they are, but their attention and focus is spread among so many different people, you know. So you have to, you have to either be able to advocate for yourself or have someone there to advocate on your behalf because it can be very tricky.
SPEAKER_01Yes, it did, yeah. I I agree with you. I always say if you have a parent or you know, a spouse or anybody that is hospitalized, someone should definitely be there to advocate, make sure they're getting the appropriate medications, make sure that, you know, they're not just getting you un tests that are not useful, right? Because, you know, you have some some systems where they just they're doing all these different things. And, you know, is this does this correlate with the diagnosis? And do we need a second opinion and and all those things? And sometimes I step in for families and advocate for them as well because you have some families who are rushed on hospice care, some families who, you know, they're they're signing them up to be in nursing rehab where you know they're one to one-star rating, right? Right. So I just I I'm I I step in as the caregirl to help families navigate a lot of different situations. Not only do I also have a home care agency here in Georgia where I match, I do care matchmaking as well, where I match families with caregivers and nurses, and I employ those caregivers and actually train them myself alongside a medical team. So we're full circle, you know, working with the doctors, working with the hospitals. And then sometimes, you know, I I work with a lot of business professionals, so they're not able to come and sit with dad. They're not able to come sit with mom, right? But we have our trusted caregivers who are trained and that are communicating there at the hospital. Or, you know, we're popping, I'm popping in the rehab, I'm popping into the assisted living and making sure that hey, that they're getting getting that care that they need versus like they just don't have anybody advocating them at all. Because sometimes some people may be up in a presidential role, VP roles, corporate, you know, they're running a law firm, they're not able to sit there and and do all those things because, you know, they're the life of other people are in their hands as far as like being the CEO and all those things. So I definitely step in when there's time. And I also help families that, you know, they may not be set up in that way, too. Um I'm I helped them navigate, you know, Medicaid or just understanding like just the different dynamics, I would say. What was kind of like the most difficult part in your journey with your father? Maybe was it towards the end? Did he have to
The Hardest Part: Mental Health
SPEAKER_01go into like any type of nursing, home care? Like, what was kind of like the most difficult thing you would say uh an adult child may not like the decision that they had to make on for me the most difficult part of it was the mental health aspect of it for him and and myself.
SPEAKER_02And as you were just saying, caretaking, it is a full time job. Luckily, I was, you know, again, I was in a space where I wasn't married at the time. I didn't didn't have children, so I had the freedom and flexibility to be there for him all the time. But we definitely need people like you to help fill in those gaps when people cannot, you know, take it all on in themselves. Because again, it I mean, it takes it takes you become a therapist, you become a researcher, you you become a physician, you become, you know, you become you financial advisor. You fall in so many different roles in caretaking. And I don't think people understand how many different things you have to take on. But for me, luckily all everything else was pretty easy for me to navigate other than, and I don't I don't want to say it wasn't easy, but the most difficult part was the mental health aspect of it. When you're dealing with someone who has a terminal illness who is declining and I don't know if this is everyone's situation, but in my situation, trying to you know they become I don't think people think about this. They become depressed too. You know they become depressed. And the negative talk and you can see the light behind their eyes start to dwindle. You can start to see their kind of will for life you know them kind of give up. So trying to be there for him mentally as well as myself mentally because I'm going through it too because I'm watching you know my father physically decline. My father was a a six foot two man. He he was never like a big guy but he was you know brain somewhere I don't know I think he used to weigh maybe weigh like 190 200 pounds something like that. But by the time he passed away my father was 90 pounds. Oh wow yeah he was small he he was small definitely small so watching someone deteriorate like that you know and and you know you know when they get to the point where they stop eating and things like that it is it is a huge mental toll. But just even through the process where they start to realize oh man like you know this is it for me holding them up mentally is a very very very hard job while holding yourself up at the same time.
SPEAKER_01What do you do did you guys seek like a family therapist or did you do your own therapist? Would did he talk to a therapist at all?
SPEAKER_02What do you
Depression After Loss And Getting Help
SPEAKER_02what do you what would give your advice on like how you all like navigated handled that so in the rehab facilities they did have therapists for him but honestly we couldn't even focus on that so much because of we were so focused on the physical aspect. One day he would seem okay and then the next day it's like boom he can't walk at all now I have to hurry up and take him to the emergency room and try to get him some medication or he's in so much pain that you know what I mean I I remember times I I would have I had to put him on my back and carry him up the steps because all of a sudden his legs just gave out and didn't work anymore. So we were so focused on trying to take care of him physically keep him out of pain keep him comfortable we didn't even get a chance to address his mental health like I think that the at times in the facility of course they have therapists and things but my father was also a countryman from the South born in the 40s you know I doubt at any point he was like yeah I want to talk to the therapist like no that just yeah he wanted to all that he wanted all that yeah well I mean that's for you and but for your mental health what did you how did you like get through that so I didn't okay okay I actually felt it was my first time actually falling to depression which actually you know I don't I don't even know if it was my first time because as I started to deal with therapists later on in life they were like look you probably have been dealing with stuff since your mom passed away when you were a kid because I never really got therapy for that. So but yes I did fall into depression after he passed away because then again you go from that shock of caring for this person 24 hours and then boom they're gone. So you know it it's a hard transition. So I realized I was having some very negative thoughts and I said to myself okay look it's time to go time to go sit on that lady's couch and go talk to somebody because depression isn't something you can you know really pull yourself out of. I remember talking to friends and they were like oh just go sit out just go to a party I'm like it doesn't it doesn't work like that it doesn't it's not like you can you can get up and go to a party and still be sitting in a corner depressed. It's not about you know what you're doing outside of yourself. It literally it gets to a certain point where it becomes a chemical imbalance in your brain and you may need some medication or something to come over that hump. So I got in really intense therapy I did take medication for a little while maybe only about three months or so just to get me over that mental hump so I can start to do the things that I do know make me feel better. Whether it's traveling exercising talking to my friends more blah blah blah but when you're deep in it you you cannot even bring yourself to do the things that you know are going to make you feel better.
SPEAKER_01Yeah and that's when you said seeking that therapy and that mental health helper would would help as well I always advise families because I see I see so many different dynamics and then you have the one child that is like doing everything and then guess what when that parent dies or you know when they pass away that person is in the hospital. Yeah yeah and it's like what happened you I I wasn't working out I was in I wasn't eating either I was basically you you just basically took on that person's energy it was like an energy transfer almost you know because you became what they were as far as like spiritually and mentally right so it's it's it's so important that I that caregivers especially adult children take care of themselves as well as take care of their parents but also like you said depending on the team making sure you know where the help is coming from like you said you had to put him on your back physically like that's a that's a that's a that's a me mentally picturing that's that's kind of a lot you know to do but you you're now you're now you've been aware of it now and then your line of work is you're actually promoting people to take care of themselves through the different life situations which is very ironic. I love that can you leave us with a word because we're winding down now can we can you leave us with a word of inspiration for uh
Self Care And Preparation Advice
SPEAKER_01those caregivers who may be taking care of their loved one at this point in time and there might be on the brink of like I can't do this anymore.
SPEAKER_02So I think two I kind of have like three things I want to say first one being obviously that that the cliche shank saying that you cannot pour from an empty cup. You have to refill yourself. You can't you can't give that other person anything if you are depleted it is not selfish and that's the thing I I used to have come from a mindset of me doing anything for myself it felt selfish but taking care of myself felt selfish. Oh I should be taking care of this person I should be doing this for this person I should do I should whatever I have I need to give it away I've always just been that kind of giving person as opposed to pouring back into myself so you have to pour into yourself in order to pour into others better. You can't pour from empty time second thing I want to say is prepare prepare prepare prepare as much as you can however hard you think it's gonna be it's gonna be harder than that. Whatever you can do now whether it's getting all of your the person's paperwork together getting those advanced directives getting that power return get all of those things in line so that you know as things arise you can handle them easier and smoother and it's not a whole bunch of back and forth you ain't got to argue with your cousin about what his money is who who taking grandpa car get all that stuff in order because when it starts to happen fast you just want to alleviate any potential roadblocks so while people are while people are healthy and alive now get your people's affairs in order get your folks' affairs in order get their paperwork together know where all their stuff is know what what their retirement what money they have know where you're gonna bury them if you can go pay for the plot ahead of time go do that now we're all gonna die yeah if if you can go buy your plot now do it so you don't have to worry about it and you can you can be present and you can be dealing with your mourning process without dealing with all without dealing up with all the you know physical things that come along with having to care for someone in their end days and bury them. I love that yeah yeah and also the last thing I want to say if somebody's feeling like at the end roll like one thing I always tell myself and like my friends and my family and things is that no one feeling lasts forever. And I have to tell myself that all the time not happiness not sadness not fear not depression not love nothing no one feeling lasts forever. Everything comes and waves and goes that's just the cycle of life. So I know you might feel like that now you might be feeling like the world's crashing out and you crashing out and you know it's never going to get better but everything will pass like that if that's one word of advice I can give to anybody whatever pain and sadness you're filling out I promise you it will not last forever. It's impossible that's just a rule of of being a person in this world it's not gonna last forever.
SPEAKER_01I love that I love that how can everyone find you in your business online in case they need to take a break from caregiving and go on
Where To Find Nasara And Closing
SPEAKER_01one of your your luxury spa days where can we find you I will definitely give you the link to it but we are on Instagram the Meridian Spa Club and also on Threads.
SPEAKER_02I think that's where I found you that's why I love Threads because it gets you in contact with such amazing people out here but we're also on threads as the Meridian Spa Club as well.
SPEAKER_01And this is in Atlanta so we are Atlanta Blaze but we also travel to other states as well awesome I love it thank you so much for coming on i i know this episode will help somebody today guys like and share this send this to anybody that you know that this can help and we hope you have a good rest of your day and blessed day thank you guys so much thank you thank you bye bye bye