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93: The Hidden Crisis in Healthcare: Big Pharma, Profit, and the Fight for Real Wellness | Dr. Jim Roach, M.D., ABIHM, ABOIM

• Jacqueline Genova • Episode 93

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Fast food, processed foods, Roundup, for-profit hospitals and insurance, and drug companies shifting from cures to chronic treatments are major issues plaguing our healthcare system. Despite spending more than the next ten countries combined, America has the worst health outcomes. Join me as I chat with Dr. Jim Roach, an expert in integrative medicine known for his work on cancer strategies. A published researcher, speaker, and best-selling author, Jim has spoken at major venues like the Mayo Clinic and has been featured over 100 times in national and international media. Jim specializes in holistic medicine and is double-boarded in integrative medicine. Jack Canfield called him one of the most encyclopedic minds he's met. Our conversation covered topics like the "sick-care" system, big pharma's influence on medical education, natural alternatives for chronic diseases, and the healing power of a peaceful mind.


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Jacqueline: [00:00:00] Well, to kick things off, Dr. Roach, so I always love to ask, how did you find yourself in this space? Like, what is your background? Did you always wanna become a physician?

Jim: well actually, I. Way back when I was a kid, I had a next door neighbor to my grandparents who, whose father was a doctor. He to said, are you gonna grow up and be a doctor like your father? And uh, they got me thinking about it. And then when I was in Duke, uh, after my freshman year, I was trying to decide about being a lawyer or being a doctor, and I served as an orderly.

That summer there was a gentleman with severe diabetes. He'd had one leg amputated and the other one was precarious. But he had a nurse taking care of him who really looked after him very closely that he, uh, every time she walked in he just let up. But then she went on vacation and boom, he went south.

Then he was dead within two days.

I was impressed by just how powerful that [00:01:00] connection was for individuals health. And I said, well, I can help support patients in that way. I think I'll go that direction.

Jacqueline: That's incredible. Um I'm trying to think where do I wanna start? Dr. Roach. So I listened to your talk, uh, this past weekend. I know you've given many, but the one you shared with me, and one thing that really struck me is you touched on, just some of the, the stats behind our healthcare system today, right?

With the rise of chronic illness and whatnot. You mentioned that the US now ranks as a leading cause, of death due to its healthcare system. Can you elaborate on how systemic issues like for-profit hospitals and drug companies have kind of contributed to that crisis?

Jim: right. That wasn't an issue, you know, back in the 1960s, I was born in 1952 and, uh, the, you know, with thalidomide, uh, the FDA became, uh, particularly vi vigilant, we were the. Toughest FDA in the world at that point. Uh, a drug had to be really safe before it got through the FDA, and now it shifts the opposite, you know, of, uh, [00:02:00] just a year ago, a drug was approved without a single vote, uh, from the advisory committee, despite the advisory committee being somewhat tainted by individuals with drug company connections, so that, that could happen is, was just incredible.

But, you know, and hospitals started becoming for profit. Uh, Humana began buying up and, and United and others. And so hospital systems being for profit, they have to every year get a bigger share to maintain, uh, their quarterly profits. In other words, they can't have the same profit each year. They have to get a bigger profit, or else they'll get a new CEO.

The shareholders would be unhappy with that. So every year. A bigger piece of the healthcare pie is taking out. And, uh, with, um, let's see, other than hospitals, you, you're mentioning insurance companies, well, I was talking insurance companies, but hospitals and insurance companies both are in [00:03:00] that category.

And pharmaceutical companies, of course, rates have to get increased earnings every year. So they're always, uh, asking it. So if we get, uh, them to agree to cut the price on this drug or that drug, they'll just balloon the price on another one to kinda compensate for that. 

Uh, but they're not interested in cures.

They're interested in giving patients chronic medications because if you give a drug that cures the illness, then you don't get to sell any more of it. But if you give something that relieves the symptoms but does not treat the underlying issue. And the classic example of that is non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, right?

If you get ibuprofen, that relieves the pain. But ibuprofen blocks angiogenesis, that is growth of blood vessels, uh, in which, in maybe in a tumor scenario may be desirable. But in, if you're trying to heal a knee joint, do you want to block the growth of blood vessels to be able to supply nutrients to the knee joint?

More of [00:04:00] concern is, do you, if you have a blockage developing in a coronary artery or a cerebral artery, do you want to block the body's ability to grow collateral circulation around that blockage? If that blockage develops slowly, we naturally develop collateral circulation. But, uh, aspirin, uh, ibuprofen, all the nonsteroidals inhibit that effect.

And actually, you know, while they thin the blood. To protect against clotting and heart attacks by blocking angiogenesis that actually promotes heart attacks and stroke.

Jacqueline: Hmm. Along with the many other slew of side effects that you mentioned, uh, in that, in that chat. Yeah. It's, it's truly wild. Dr. Roach. So my background is in economics and finance, yet here we are sitting in the wellness space, right. And I shared with you, I'm in this space because of my mom. Interestingly enough, when I was in college, I wrote a thesis on integrative medicine.

And my whole thesis was that we need an integrative approach, when it came to cancer. And I had a whole [00:05:00] chapter just dedicated to pharmaceutical, um, the pharmaceutical industry when it came to cancer. And I can't think of a word that describes the extent of, you know, you could say anger, um, that I felt when just, you know, reading.

All of these statistics between how much money goes into big pharma, especially with cancer and how cancer is the most profitable sector within our healthcare system. And again, just from my mom's journey over the past six or seven years, you know, always switching to her, her cancer is er positive. Um, so obviously like you start with the aromatase inhibitors and then once those stop working, you know, you switch to the CDK four, six inhibitors and then those stop working and it's just like never ending, right?

And you'll approach your oncologist and you'll ask, you know, what's next? What's next? As more of these mutations develop. And their answer is, oh, there's another drug, there's another trial.

Jim: Right.

Jacqueline: And it just puts you in this mindset of, but, but what about the root? Right, to your point earlier and. I've done a lot of research, Dr.

Roach, on [00:06:00] complimentary therapies, alternative therapies. My mom's done many, but I guess my question to you too is, you know, you mentioned in that conversation, clinical studies and trials and how 50% are actually accurate or whatever the stat was that you had mentioned. I ask this for myself too, as an otherwise, like lay individual, right? How do we discern fact from fiction?

Jim: That's a tough question because it, it can be very difficult to discern that. Uh, so, you know, fortunately I'm not a peer reviewer on one of the journals, but, you know, most, uh, landmark studies, uh, first of all, 80% of landmark studies have not been produced reproducible. So even the landmark studies may not be true at all with that, um, because of the drug company advertisements in the journals.

If, uh, an editor is going to publish a journal study, [00:07:00] then, uh, if it's, for example, it's on vitamin D or on other natural remedy, I. The drug companies might get upset about that being published. So, uh, wow. I could go into a number of directions with that, but, but for a lay person, it's, it's, uh, almost impossible to determine that, uh, you really need statisticians and, and those that are more expert in, in looking at that scenario.

But,

uh, you want to always look at who's funding the study, that it would have the greatest correlation, you know? Who financially is benefiting by the outcome of the study. Uh, researchers at medical schools, you know, publish or die has been the mantra in the past. And so if a professor at a medical school publishes a study and it has a negative outcome, then what are the odds that they're going to be invited to be in another study funded by drug company?

Know [00:08:00] if another professor got a positive result. You know, which company or which professor is the drug company going to, uh, fund? And so there's a built-in bias towards getting positive results. And actually, you know, the number of studies that are, are accurate is declining roughly rapidly.

Jacqueline: My understanding right now, Dr. Roach, is that, I mean, pharma has infiltrated medical schools, right? Like that is a part of the education. To what extent were they present in your schooling? Years ago?

Jim: Hmm. I would say mild to moderate. 

And I haven't been in medical schools lately, but I would easily surmise they would be moderate to severe at this stage. Uh, and I think the issue is that you, nutrition not being count, uh, taught, which. Really wasn't taught hardly at all when I was there. So to that degree, uh, there's influence, certainly vitamins and minerals, um, almost no, uh, discussion [00:09:00] about vitamins and minerals in medical school.

But, you know, their actions are profound, uh, in association of that. Obviously no discussion of botanicals, but we that, uh, there potentials like turmeric that have such a wealth of benefits. You know, turmeric for example, lowers blood pressure, blood sugar, blood cholesterol, thins the blood and the inflammatory gets toxin outta the system.

Prevents gallstones, antibacterial, antifungal, antiviral, antidepressant equivalent to Prozac for depression. A hundred anti cancer properties, not a cancer identified that doesn't have improved outcomes. And reverses amyloid plaque bill up in the brain characteristic of Alzheimer's and grows the brain by two mechanisms,

right? You would think that'd be important information, uh, to be sharing. But I doubt any medical schools, um, uh, you know, maybe 1% or 5% might share information about turmeric. But, you know, that should be a standard of course. And even a primary topic of discussion with them. Um, so yeah, drugs, uh, since there are more and more drugs all the [00:10:00] time.

Right. So, uh, I'm sure it's taking up a, a bigger space to educate about all the prescriptions that are available.

Jacqueline: Yeah, so you mentioned some of these other natural alternatives like turmeric, right? Huge turmeric enthusiast right here. You also mentioned Rho rosea, which I use as well. I use a few other adaptogen herbs. I am curious, Dr. Roach, for some of like the most common, you know, chronic ailments that folks deal with today, what are some of your favorite natural substitutes?

Jim: Well, first of all, vitamin D is huge and it's the top of my protocol list for all of my patients. Uh, because we all are essentially vitamin D deficient, you know, unless we live at the equator with scant clothing and um, or outside all day, uh, we're really vitamin D deficient in my books in terms of what optimal Vitamin D blood levels would be, which for me is 60 to 100 on the scale that's used.

And what I've found in doing over 2000 blood levels with V Vitamin D is that for 95% of my patients, a thousand units [00:11:00] per 30 pounds is a maintenance dose. Now the except. So that acute leukemia, acute lymphoma, maybe Wagner granulomatosis sarcoma, or sarcoidosis, excuse me, is a one to be cautious with. But for the vast majority, uh, using, uh, that dosing and if they're, uh, not on vitamin E, then I double that amount.

I will go with, for example, 150 pound individual. I'll go with 10,000 units of vitamin DA day for three months to build them up and then drop down to 5,000. Of course, I might look at a blood level to be sure, and and that's always wise, starting out after you get them going on vitamin D to be sure uh, the levels are appropriate with that.

And with vitamin D, unless you're on the drug, Coumadin and warfarin, you always wanna get vitamin K two along with that. That's really important. If you don't get the vitamin K two, then you're calcifying their arteries and potentially triggering kidney stones.

That would be at the top of the list. I do [00:12:00] recommend fish oil for essentially all of my patients.

Uh, the dosing is important there. You want some, but for example, with atrial fibrillation, uh, high doses of fish oil can promote atrial fibrillation. So you want to,

uh, so maybe, uh, for me, I use, uh, perhaps, uh, the equivalent of a teaspoon. That'd be like a thousand up to 2000 EPA plus DHA. But, uh. 3000 would be the max I would consider on a daily basis.

Magnesium, 70% of us are magnesium deficient. And so magnesium prevents sudden death, uh, prevents heart arrhythmias, coronary artery spasm, for example. And there's six different forms of that. I use, I do recommend a multivitamin, but the type of multivitamin very important. You know, I think for most of us, methylfolate is something you want on a multivitamin, but you do not want methylcobalamin.

Most of the time. Methylcobalamin, as it turns out, is for my patients, is overstimulating triggering anxiety. And for me, it can even trigger [00:13:00] atrial fibrillation with that. So particularly the patients that I see, they have a strong on switch. It's not a good off switch. And so the methylcobalamin in those individuals is, is undesirable.

So Adil, Gobain, or, or hydroxycobalamin, is the per, per form. You don't want to use cynic cobain, which in uh. Syndrome for example, because that's co no cyanide and hard on the mitochondrial function in the body. Um, yeah. Rola, I do most of the time want patients on an adaptogen, and Rola absolutely is my favorite.

Adaptogen. I want patients dreaming nightly and if they're not dreaming, I want them on the active form. Vitamin B six B six is paradox and the active form paradox and five phosphate and I get a 50 milligram uh, dose from a company called Pure Encapsulation of Financial Connections there

and. 

Yeah. And so what I use, I start with one with dinner and every two nights increase the dose building up to four [00:14:00] 80% of the time.

That will get my patients dreaming every night. And that's key for the transation, uh, pathway from homocysteine down to glutathione. Glutathione like Velcro, attaching to heavy metals and chemicals to get those toxins outta your system and to get estrogen metabolites out of your system. So most of us these days are estrogen dominant.

And so strategies to control estrogen dominance and get your testosterone free, testosterone back up to normal, uh, excess estrogen, anxiety, panic, obsessiveness or, or the personality traits. Testosterone is more courage, competence, motivation, and then dihydrotestosterone five to 10 times stronger. The testosterone, bossiness, aggressiveness, quick retort, right?

So you almost, uh, determine, uh, the by the personality, the individual.

Jacqueline: Wow. That's wild. One other thing too, Dr. Roach, that I've heard, you know, various folks say is that you should try to get most of your nutrients from food, right? But then the argument [00:15:00] is that our soil quality is depleted today. And you know, you just mentioned several supplements that I personally am huge fans of, but what would you say in response to, to someone with that argument, right, that they're not huge fans of supplements.

You don't know what else is in them, get everything from food, like what, what would your response be?

Jim: back in the 18 hundreds. Yes, I think you could get enough. Just about from, uh, your nutrition, but as you say, soil's been depleted. For example, minerals, they come from rock. And when it rains on mountains with rocks on it, those minerals wash down into the ponds and lakes below into the rivers. And then when the rivers flood, it gets into the fields.

But guess what, if you build dams, then the rivers don't flood, and then you don't get the minerals in the fields. And so all of us now are, are mineral deficient to some extent, uh, associated with that. And of course, with Roundup, uh, glyphosate, you have one fifth, the magnesium and one fifth, the zinc in those plants, and it kills off the soil [00:16:00] bacteria.

So the amount of B12 in there is also impacted. It also interferes with folic acid and meth folate in the intestinal tract. So it causes a wealth of problems, uh, the way. And, and this is key in getting crossed to male patients. You have to frame everything in terms of testosterone. That's what they hear.

Alright? So I tell my male patients, you know, days you want testosterone, take your vitamin D, it boosts testosterone. 20% in males and block estrogen and days. You'd rather have estrogen skip your vitamin D in those days, right? Or with fish oil, I say days you want to grow your testicles, take your fish oil days, you, they shrink, skip your fish oil.

Men hear that. And B12 and folate do what they help with the methylation pathway, which generates sam e which generates glutathione once again to get rid of toxins and to get rid of estrogen metabolites. So, uh, Daves that you want more estrogen, skip your B12 and folate and, and B vitamins and you'll get your wish.

You'll, [00:17:00] you'll get a higher pitched voice and get to grow your breasts, uh, guys. And so they usually 

gets 

the point across.

Jacqueline: so funny. One other thing too that comes to mind, Dr. Rich, when you're, you know, you're mentioning all this. How do we know what our levels are? Right. And I, myself, I've worked with many companies that do more comprehensive testing than your otherwise conventional doctor would do.

Right. So is there, aside from working with a functional practitioner, are there any, you know, certain labs out there that folks could do themselves to assess like where they are with their B12 or where they are with even, even gene variants? Right. I mean, like how much is too much? I guess my question is,

Jim: It's a huge question and a very important question. I'm certainly glad you asked that. I think you can trust vitamin D levels at conventional labs. I think those are accurate, but I wouldn't keep in mind that individuals with autoimmune issues may have more vitamin D receptor antibodies and therefore may require a little bit, uh, a larger dose of vitamin D [00:18:00] and also individuals with autoimmune issues.

So. Everyone who's estrogen dominant is more prone to autoimmune issues. Estrogen promotes autoimmune activity. Testosterone strengthens the immune system, but dampens autoimmune activity. And if 1% of physicians understand that, 

if that, but that's a huge point, uh, in dealing with that. Uh, the, if you check folate levels in the blood, what are you really testing?

You're testing folic acid and if you have an M-T-H-R-G mutation, which half of us have, yeah, right? Then you don't want to have a lot of folic acid. You want it to convert into methylate. So folic acid actually may increase breast cancer risk. Colon cancer risk suppresses natural killer 

cells.

If you have that MTHR mutation, you're increasing those risks.

So a normal folate level may look fine, but in fact you may have major issues. And looking at homocysteine [00:19:00] as a better way to assess that, uh, we're aggressive. Uh, most doctors don't look at homocysteine levels, but methylation maybe the most important detox pathway in the body with that. So, uh, it may list normal homocysteine up to 15 or 18, but we target five to six on our homocysteine level as a way to tell, you know, are you the most important with methylation?

Is folate number two is B12 number. Is B six. So I, uh, B six levels. If you check that in the blood, guess what? If you see a high reading, a lot of times it's an inverse indicator that you don't have the enzyme to convert it into the active form. And so that's why I rely on dreams, uh, as far as B six levels with that.

But B12 is a huge issue and if you can just get this one point across in this interview today, is simply that you cannot trust vitamin B12 blood levels. Now, first of all, in America the cutoff is two 20 on B12, right? But in Japan it's five [00:20:00] 50. Who do you think is right on that? Uh, I found clinically that Japan and Europe is about 500.

They definitely are right? So levels in the 403 hundreds are associated with substantial symptoms on B12. But take my wife for example, her B12 level was high. Does that mean she's getting too much? B12 I. I checked it twice, same thing. It rang high, but I try a B12 injection with her. What happened? She loves 'em, gives her more energy, improves her focus with that.

Why would that be the case? Well, there are four different gene mutations that impact the transfer of B12 from the blood into cells, and if you have a lithium deficiency, you're not transporting it from the blood into cells. So basically B12 is stuck in the blood.

So even first of all, the, the normal levels are off and even when it's normal, and especially maybe when it's high, you're not transporting it.

So I have a lot of my patients on injectable, uh, B12, uh, [00:21:00] from a compounding pharmacy, I use methyl kebo. And by using it in injectable form, insulin, syringe and needle, you know, hardly you can feel it. And we use it in the hip. Uh, and it's a slow release, so you don't get overstimulated giving it in that way.

Uh, so that I worked for 10 years and I don't currently for a company called SpectraCell in Houston that does micronutrient testing intracellularly, right?

So another example with B12, uh, I had a patient whose B12 level was either normal or high, and she had upper extremity weakness and I did SPECT of cells.

She was in the bottom 1%. Uh, B12, I gave her B12 injections and her upper arm weakness disappeared just with one or two injections, all that problem. B12, important for myelination, uh, important for mood, uh, has a, a wealth of benefits associated with that. Uh, so zinc is a very important nutrients. So, uh, uh, I deal with LabCorp and I, I think they'll, forgive [00:22:00] me for saying this, but you know, they base the zinc levels on what the population normal range is, right.

The thing is though, the normal zinc levels back, you know, 30, 40, 50 years ago, were different from today because everyone eats out now and, and gets food. You know, anytime you eat out just about or eat food that's not organic, you're getting roundup and almost everything, and therefore you're not getting the zinc, uh, or the magnesium that you need.

And incidentally, zinc and magnesium both boost testosterone and lower estrogen. So the impact of, uh, Roundup is estrogenic. And also I mentioned block folate, acid def folate, and that's also estrogenic. And in fact, any chemical you get, uh, for example, preserved preservatives when you go to the grocery store, if you buy foods with preservatives, where are those metabolized in the liver, which also metabolizes 

estrogen.

So anytime you're giving, uh, those preservatives, you're increasing 

estrogen levels, 

right? So essentially all. [00:23:00] Chemicals are estrogenic if they're metabolize in the liver, which nearly all of them are, all heavy metals are estrogenic, uh, for the same reason associated with that. Uh, so yeah. Uh, there's another company that I'm starting to use called Vibrant Wellness that also does, hopefully they're doing, I need to check further to be sure those are intracellular, but I think that those are, but I certainly can vouch for a specter cell with that.

Jacqueline: Yeah, that's interesting. So aside from the nutrient testing, what are your thoughts on like testing for genetic variants? Right. And I know Wild Health does this, I learned some interesting stuff about myself, like I have the A POE three, um, E four variant, and I guess my question for you is, is that helpful in the long run?

Like if someone is otherwise a healthy individual 

Jim: Yes, be helpful. Yeah, and I could, if you want, I could take the a OE example, uh, because, you know, 25 to 30% of us have, uh, an a OE four. It's not just you. And, [00:24:00] uh, so there are, as you know, uh, substantial concerns in terms of cardiovascular risk, in terms of neurologic risk associated with that. And, uh, there's research showing, uh, number one that exercise 30 minutes moderate to vigorous exercise, 30 minutes a day, five days a week, neutralize the impact on autopsy the brain.

Looked identical, uh, on autopsy. So exercise is huge with that. But also, um, the HSV virus for one herpes simplex virus, which can cause mouth source, for example, if you have that virus, a twelvefold higher risk for the neurological implications with that. Right? So that's huge to address. HSV. So how do you address HSV?

Well, with arginine promotes viral wellness. Lysine is antiviral. Okay? So, uh, arginine is in what I call the [00:25:00] C-span food, citrus coffee, cinnamon chocolate, potatoes, 

apples 

nuts.

So. Yeah. Well, and you need some of those arginine promotes growth hormone and as, as a vasodilator, which helps with blood pressure and circulation to the extremities.

But if you eat more than two categories per day, uh, for example, if I eat an apple a day, I will get mouth sores for eating an apple day because the arginine in the apple is suppressing my lysine level. So I take lysine to kind of counterbalance that effect. I had a, a patient, uh, actually an employee that had herpes type two.

She don't work here anymore, but, uh, she found that if she took three Rishi. Three times a day and three lysine three times a day, that, that would knock that out within 24 hours for her. Um, but yeah, herpes, uh, you know, if you haven't tested for HSV one, uh, then I would test for that and then I would be using, uh, some strategies.

You know, Dr. Del Bresson talks [00:26:00] about 20 different, uh, organisms that can impact dementia risk. There are at least six in the herpes family. We all have herpes. We all have had Epstein-Barr virus. That's mononucleosis i's say all 90% of us had that. 80% of us have had cytomegalovirus, and that's another herpes family viruses.

So, uh, by monitoring our arginine, lysine scenario and lysine protects against colds and flu and arginine promotes colds and flu. So particularly during the winter, you want to keep, uh, tabs on that. But I have a whole handout of things, uh, with my, uh, folks. I, I had a colleague with that and she said the Cyl l carnitine was particularly good for that.

And Magnesium three innate where two of her favorite supplements with a OE four, but right, uh, mt. HUR obviously very, very important to know about if you have that, and particularly if you have the A 1 29 8 gene mutation, because with that mutation, you can't convert folic acid into [00:27:00] methy, folic in your brain.

So you can get depressed, you can get anxious, you can get brain fog, but guess what? It does not affect homocysteine levels. So you may have a perfectly normal or ideal homocysteine level, which normally monitors methylation, but because a 1, 2, 9, 8, you may be depressed or anxious or brain fog. So everyone needs to get some methylfolate.

Now, occasionally methylfolate, overstimulating, but we all need to be getting at least a multivitamin that has some methylfolate on board. Now, you can get, uh, folate naturally through leafy greens, but with leaf greens, you wanna be a little cautious. Oxalates are a huge issue. Uh, kidney stones, 89% of kidney stones are calcium oxalate stones, right?

They form needle-like crystals and. So if you eat a lot of spinach, for example, spinach has the highest oxalates of any food. So you think with Popeye, I need to eat lots of spinach, right? But, uh, I [00:28:00] really caution my patients to limit it to like two spinach leads per day 

on 

Jacqueline: average, Is that, is that for everyone though? Dr. Roach? Like how does one tell if they're oxalate sensitive? Is that just by like joint issues, like physical symptoms? Is there a specific test to tell if you're oxalate sensitive? Like how does that work?

Jim: First of all, it's my belief that half the patients that have aches and pains have those pains due to the oxalates, major cause of myalgias. Uh, that's muscle aching and also, uh, joint aches as well. So as far as 

testing, my favorite way to test it is with. Well, there are several strategies. Organic acid testing, uh, is a good strategy.

For example, mosaic does organic acid testing of oxalates. You can do, uh, an oxalate creatinine spot, uh, ratio. Uh, so LabCorp that I have in my office can do, uh, one of those. If it's elevated, it's helpful, but if it's normal, it's not. But, you know, one [00:29:00] of the strategies in figuring out oxalates for me is how many nights a week do you remember your dreams?

Because how are oxalates removed from our body? It's by that transation pathway, the dream pathway with that. So if you're not dreaming, you have a functional vitamin B six deficiency. And if you don't have B six, then you can't get those oxalates outta your system. Uh, and if you don't have B six, also you don't convert glutamate to gaba.

So you're gonna be overstimulated, you're gonna be more anxious associated with that as well. Uh, so, uh. And then do you eat out or do you eat organic? Uh, because, uh, again, oxalates are associated with Roundup and so then you're almost always gonna have oxalate issues if you're not eating organic foods to some extent.

Uh, so those 

Jacqueline: those are some of the 

Jim: that I used to determine that.

Jacqueline: yeah. What are your thoughts on the carnivore diet?

Jim: Well, I think we each are different. Um, [00:30:00] so if you have ancestry from the equator, then you had access to vegetables and fruits 24 7, right? So I think a vegetarian type of approach is optimal for those individuals, for people with Northern European heritage. So if you have blue eyes or light colored eyes, if you have naturally, uh, blonder hair.

Then you had to survive the winters with, uh, some, uh, animal products with that. So their genes are more adapted to animal products. Uh, so really I think listening to your body is very key here. Uh, so if you feel great on a vegetarian diet, go for that. Now, of course, B12 deficiency is a risk. Uh, other deficiencies like zinc and, and odine might be an issue, uh, on a vegetarian diet.

So you need to be aware of that. Um, but if you feel good, great. If you don't feel good, then incorporate some organic animal products and, and see how that goes. We normally limit red meat and our [00:31:00] recommendations to once a month, ideally because of the iron concern. Uh, how, you know, menstruating females, uh, certainly could eat more red meat, but you know, with animal products, 95% of all toxins.

Come from animal products, the fat in the animal products is the issue because that's where the toxins are stored. So that's why it's so critical to get organic with any meat sources. And with chicken, you know, they put arsenic in the chicken feed to keep the rats from eating it right, but not enough to kill the chicken.

So you're getting regular chicken, you're likely getting significant arsenic along with that.

Jacqueline: Right. Yeah, no, it's, it's really interesting. And I told you with wild health, just from my own testing, I learned that my A-P-O-B-I think was like 1 0 9, which is extremely high for a 29-year-old, other otherwise healthy individual. So I completely, um, I really reduced, meat and it dropped Dr.

Roach by like 30 points in two months. Um, so I found that a mostly like plant-based Mediterranean [00:32:00] diet, not as much red meat has been, you know, an adequate diet that I, I feel good on,

Jim: Yeah, and that's, you know, with your APO E four, uh, in there, that's particularly important with, um, but, uh, what I consider and what research really suggests a normal cholesterol level, and, and you're right, the apo B is a, a more accurate reading compared to LDL cholesterol, but look at total cholesterol optimal if you don't have cardiovascular issues, is probably two 30. Optimal. LDL cholesterol, if you don't have cardiovascular issues, is probably one 30. And so keep in mind the brain is 53% cholesterol. Keep in mind our hormones are made out of cholesterol. So when you lower cholesterol, what's happening? You're lowering hormones, right? So when you take statin cholesterol medicine, for example, um, it does help keep the arteries in the brain open.

But are you shrinking your brain? Uh, because the brain matter is not going to have access [00:33:00] to as much cholesterol that it may need to form new branches with that, right? Uh, if hormones are anabolic building and strengthening to, in my opinion, uh, every organ tissue, including testosterone with that, then what's the opposite of anabolic catabolic?

So when you give statins in lower cholesterol, that is caic, meaning shrinking shriveling, every orient tissue in your body. You know, the statins are associated with side effects in every organ in tissue. And obviously, you know, lowering hormones has to be a key mechanism associated with that. It's a mitochondrial toxin.

Why? Because what is coq 10 made through that same HMG co reductase pathway that lowers cholesterol lowers 100% of the time, the coq 10 levels, because it's maintenance by that mechanism. And without that energy in your mitochondria, then you don't get the nutrients in you need, you don't, uh, get rid of the toxins as readily associated with that.

So, for example, well there's a 10 year VA study, uh, [00:34:00] statins were associated with an 87% increase in diabetes.

So Stan cholesterol medicines are a major concern, uh, for a number of reasons. Uh, they're, uh, catabolic in their effects, and by that I mean hormones are made from cholesterol. So anytime you lower a cholesterol, you're lowering hormone levels.

And since hormones are anabolic, lowering them is catabolic, that is, they're shrinking shriveling every organ and tissue in your body. Uh, for example, with my diabetic patients, uh, they get neuropathy from the statin cholesterol medicine. In fact, statins cause more neuropathy. Then diabetes does in my diabetic patients.

There's research in the Journal of Neurology back in 2003 if you're on a statin associated with a 16 fold higher risk of polyneuropathy neuropathy affecting multiple nerves if you're on them beyond two years of 26 fold increase in [00:35:00] polyneuropathy. So the way I know this is the situation, because when I stop standards in my diabetic patients, their neuropathy gets better just within days associated with that.

Jacqueline: I have a question for you though on that Dr. Roach. So this is in the context of like diabetes, right? And other chronic diseases that can be managed with more natural approaches. Right? But what about when it comes to cancer? And I'm sure you've heard of Jane McClellan and her whole cocktail approach to, to cancer management and her use of statins to essentially help cure herself with stage four.

My mom was on the statin and some other drugs and you know, a few years ago, again, I mentioned we tried a lot of different off-label drugs, but, what's your take on that? Right. In that type of scenario, if a patient is trying to target like those cancer pathways using statin.

Jim: Uh, so hormones promote cancer growth. So when you lower hormones with a statin, that will slow cancer growth just on that basis. They also are somewhat anti-inflammatory, but it will compromise your quality of life when you do [00:36:00] so.

Right. So those are kinda the pros and cons. Now, I would probably prefer to use red yeast extract.

It's important to get a quality red yeast extract because that's where statins originally came from, right? Uh, was from red yeast extract. Uh, and for example, uh, research, uh, in the American Journal of Cardiology, uh, once again around 2003, showed that, uh, re yeast extract reduced risk of death. 33% in reduced risk of cardiovascular death, 30% in the secondary endpoint of cancer, 56%.

So there is research that certainly suggests that re yeast extract, uh, can do so, and I'd much rather get the whole, uh, plant than get one derivative of the plant, such as the statin cholesterol medicine. So we're interested in that route. And there is, uh, research, for example, with red yeast, uh, if you get radiation that protects against, uh, tumor cells breaking loose and in promoting [00:37:00] metastasis from radiation.

So that would be my preference in that scenario.

Jacqueline: Interesting. All right. That makes sense. Um, I cut you off though, you were saying something else about the statin.

Jim: Oh, I could talk, uh.

Jacqueline: I'm sure you could.

Jim: About stems, but yeah, the, if I didn't mention that the VA study, 87% high risk of, um,

diabetes and, uh, high risk for obesity, marked obesity with that. Uh, and it causes a slew of other, uh, nutrient deficiencies. It calc five, the 

arteries

Jacqueline: Mm-hmm. 

Jim: is another concern. And, uh, cardiologists say, well, that stabilizes plaque, but if you calcify arteries, what's that going do to blood pressure?

If, if your adrenaline kicks in, a child will just stretch out their arteries. But if your arteries calcified, then your blood pressure shoots up. So a big question I have is, does statins increase your blood pressure? '

cause my number one natural blood pressure treatment is co-enzyme Q 10. Is a meta analysis made studies that [00:38:00] found that 16 over 11 drop in coq 10, uh, with a hundred to 200 milligrams over a six week period of time.

Another metaanalysis of six studies showed a 13 over nine drop in blood pressure with coq 10 and coq 10 lowers blood sugar. It promotes circulation and proves mitochondrial function. So, uh, that's definitely a, 

an an important nutrient for us.

Jacqueline: yeah. Very interesting. My mom had high blood pressure for years, Dr. Roach, and she was on a statin for years with her cancer occurrence in 2018. She dramatically changed her diet. Not that it was bad, but she became much more strict about it and she was actually able to get off of her blood pressure, uh, medication, which was incredible.

And her doctors were like, how did you drop it? Manage? She's like, oh, just my diet. Something as foundational as that, you know?

Jim: I was at a neighborhood party yesterday, and I, John came up to me and said, well, your father, uh, treated me when, uh, my blood pressure when I was just, you know, even in high school or just outta high school, my blood pressure shot up. And he simply said, I. [00:39:00] Stop, uh, putting salt on your food and that, uh, it's now been 50 years later and his, he is quite healthy and doing well.

So, salt, I'm very salt sensitive myself. And you know, the dash diet talks about a 2000 milligrams of salt, but for me, if I get more than like 200 milligrams of sodium, so I, I think that's the single most important thing. Now, maybe not a hundred percent of individuals have hypertension associated with that, but I would say at least 80% are impacted substantially by sodium.

So again, you wanna avoid processed foods 'cause they always have sodium in them. Uh, so in butter, uh, salt is uh, maybe the number two ingredient in butter. It's the number two ingredient in cheese. It's in breads. Of course, you want to keep away from glute unless you want grain brain or wheat belly or you like or your testosterone 

Jacqueline: yeah, 

Jim: yeah, it's, uh, ubiquitous in, it's important to eliminate

Jacqueline: What are your thoughts on avoiding gluten, because I, so I have a gluten [00:40:00] intolerance, not celiac. Right. I know many people have gluten intolerance. For someone who doesn't, right, who lives in the United States, would you still recommend they avoid gluten

Jim: Absolutely. Yeah, because the, the bread in the United States is not like bread in Europe. We have bred over the last, you know, 40, 50 years increasing the gluten content and bread maybe three to four fold. So, you know, it's much less south, healthier than it used to be. And as I mentioned, grain brain is a common issue.

I've tested that for myself. I even will stutter a little bit with gluten. Uh, and then also wheat belly it, the Kaisers, you know, goes straight to your belly. And then for fat cells you have the more you're converting testosterone ingen. So, uh, again, when I'm speaking to my mouth, patients, whenever you want estrogen, go for the gluten, 

but whatever, and really, I'm cautious about all greens.

Now, rice, organic corn, uh, if you need, you know, if you're real thin, uh, you need to get some carbohydrates. And so maybe [00:41:00] in two or three days a week, uh. But, uh, for most of the rest of us, uh, I'm, I'm not a big grain fan. Uh, I'd largely avoided.

Jacqueline: Interesting. What does your diet look like? What is the typical Dr. Roach Diet

Jim: Okay, well, 

uh, 

Jacqueline: you a creature of habit? Do you do the same meals every day?

Jim: uh, largely, uh, similar mills, largely male, but now a time, it was a number of years ago, my PSA level prostate screening test went to 12.5 and then, you know, fours the upper limit on PSA. So, uh, that greatly concerned me at the time. In fact, you know, I panicked. Uh, and that taught me of an important lesson because it's so key with, uh, cancer issues to stay in a peaceful state.

If you implant breast tumors in mice and you stress one group of the mice, the mice that is stressed has a 30. Increase in metastases. If you give the drug propranolol, that prevents much of those, right? So peacefulness is [00:42:00] huge. Uh, with that, um, let me get back on track what, uh, the point I was making. Yeah,

Jacqueline: What about modified citrus pectin?

Jim: Modified citrus pacton, uh, is helpful for lowering lectin levels, which promotes metastases in tumors. So you can actually test galectin three in the 

part to determine that. And I usually cut off about 17 on GTIN three with that. Um, but yeah, modified citrus p in the most effective way. I, I tend to do it last thing at night, so it doesn't interfere with other supplementation

Jacqueline: Mm-hmm. 

Jim: preference.

Jacqueline: Yeah. Interesting. There are just so many thoughts right now. Dr. Roach, I told you we're gonna go down so many different rabbit holes. One other thing that you mentioned, um, in your talk, this nm 23, factor, right, which suppresses metastasis. You know, if you remove the primary tumor, right, that factor, like it doesn't necessarily like.

Express itself. So I guess my question for you is, and I'm just looking at my mom's case, right? She had stage two in 2008. [00:43:00] Um, she had a mastectomy opted to not do chemo., But if someone does have a tumor, they have a biopsy, it's it's stage two cancer.

What do they do in that case? Do they just not touch it? And I know obviously, like you wanna try to remove everything around it, so a mastectomy is probably preferable to a lumpectomy. But with this NM 23 factor, like what does one do in that case?

Jim: Well, I don't think it's a cookie cutter. I think you really have to look at each individual situation. And I want to back up from that a little bit, but you've heard me talk about mammograms if you listen that other lecture. And so first of all, I would encourage women, uh, to utilize other sources of imaging other than mammograms.

And that imagine, uh, a tumor when it's two millimeters in size, the size of your pupil, it gets a blood supply. 

And so if you get a mammogram and you squish that, what happens to those tumor cells? 

Do they give 'em the bloodstream? Do they hang out in the bone marrow? Now, they may not form a metastases because they have to get a blood [00:44:00] supply. When would they get a blood supply? Well, then when you get breast surgery, that creates a wound and that wound sends out a message to grow new blood vessels. And then those cells hanging out in the bone marrow of the liver, but can get that same message to grow new blood vessels. So then they can, uh, form.

So normally it would take seven years for a tumor to form, right? So the fact that so many metastases, uh, appear just 12 to 18 months after surgery, in my opinion, those are are ones that are promoted, uh, through, you know, handling of the tumor and mammograms. Uh, so. I would, first of all, I don't like the idea of sticking a needle and to diagnose, uh, a breast tumor.

That's what insurance companies require, but it makes more sense to me to excise the whole tumor area, uh, and then, you know, determine, you know, whether what type of, uh, tumor and how aggressive [00:45:00] it is at that point. But if you stick a needle in it, it's a little bit to me, like sticking a needle in a hornet's nest, right?

You're stirring up issues to some of the tumor cells getting in the bloodstream. And actually there's research that's suggested that, uh, biopsies increase metastases risk associated with that. Uh, now, if you're going to get a biopsy though, maybe one strategy to consider is to try to minimizing estrogen at that particular moment.

So you know where you are in the menstrual cycle might matter, right? You don't want to probably get a biopsy on day 14 in the menstrual cycle when you're. So they would be better, you know, around the time of menstruation or the first few days after menstruation for getting the biopsy. But maybe that's a scenario where you would wanna use a prescription estrogen blocking drug.

You know, I had a, a woman who had a goose egg. This was a like 65-year-old woman. It was a nine centimeter tumor in her breast. And, um, before I had it treated, uh, you could do this even before [00:46:00] biopsy. In my opinion. It, uh, putting her on an sg blocker, shrunk that down to four centimeters diameter, which is essentially one 10th of its original volume.

Jacqueline: Mm-hmm.

Jim: Now 90% of postmenopausal women, their tumors, breast tumors are estrogen dominant. 

So it worked for her. And then when she had cry ablation as the treatment for that, uh, then that was effective and, and solved the issue. So, uh, actually, you know, cryoablation is a strategy that, that I would suggest, you know, if the tumor, you know, the research originally was done with, I think tumors smaller than, um, two and a half centimeters.

Uh, and that was shown at least to be as effective as doing conventional treatment. With that, there are not many practitioners around the country that do cry ablation, but there are a few, the one near to me is Dr. Kozlowski down to the Comprehensive Breast Center in Knoxville, but there are others out there, um, as well.

Uh, and so [00:47:00] I think that's the strategy to go. So a diagnosis, I would do that. Now, if you have lymph node involvement. Elsewhere in the body, uh, you know, should you consider chemo, should you consider other estrogen blockers and so forth. Now, certainly the research with estrogen blockade drugs, and, and I really speak particularly of aromatase inhibitors in that regard.

I. On postmenopausal women, uh, the research is, uh, very positive. Uh, but do you have to take those drugs on a daily basis, would be one, uh, question to ask. They have a long half-life. So I think, uh, for a lot of my patients, you know, osteoporosis, a major side effect, most patients get substantial side effects.

So I often reduce it just to every other day, or in some cases, even two to three times a week,

research showing, uh, that, uh, five years out, if you take a three month vacation every year from an estrogen blocking drug, the outcomes of five years are identical. And it's [00:48:00] 

identical. And get pregnant and stop your estrogen blocking drug while you're pregnant, you know, and while you get pregnant, and then while you're pregnant, and then maybe six months after they've doesn't affect outcomes.

Uh, in fact, I think if you give those drugs continuously, that's putting pressure on any surviving tumor cells to mutate away.

Intermittently, there's less pressure to mutate away, uh, from the estrogen receptor, uh, status.

Jacqueline: Yeah, my mom was on Tamoxifen for nine years before we discovered the recurrence, and they typically say, I mean, I think at first it was five years and they keep pushing it out, and again, it's like, what do you do? You know?

Jim: Yeah. That's, that's a tough decision. You know, 80% of women who read the side effects with tamin choose not to take it. 

Your genetics matter in terms of tamin, it's a, I think of it as a pro-drug, and you have to meta into the active drug. So with a certain gene mutation, it's not going to be particularly effective anyway.

But yeah, [00:49:00] it's, it blocks the estrogen alpha receptors, but it can promote the estrogen beta receptors. So it may even promote bone, um, metastases and certainly uterine cancers

is. 

Jacqueline: well that's where her, her recurrence was first. She had two spinal mets, um, before it, it went to her liver. So very interesting. But one thing you mentioned before, Dr. Roach, the word peace, right?

Jim: It is huge.

Jacqueline: It's huge. It's huge. And again, when I started well and strong, I was very passionate about complimentary therapies.

And I still am, I still believe in an integrative approach. But over the past year or so, you know, with everything my mom has tried and whatnot, I realized that. It's not necessarily about the treatment as much as it is about trusting God with the outcome. Um, so I, i'm Christian, and I have realized, Dr.

Roach, that again, like there's just so much information overwhelm and I've just found myself in states where I feel I. Decision paralysis because I don't [00:50:00] know what to do next. And through that paralysis,, you're forced to look up because you can't, you know, it's not all on your shoulders. And I realized that whatever my mom does opt to do, right, like God really is in control of the outcome.

Um, and that has given me a lot of peace in navigating decisions and recognizing that, you know, the Bible says, all our days are written before one yet came to be. And I just hold onto those promises. But on the topic of peace, you shared that, , positive thoughts around the clock can help heal any disorder.

And I'd love for you to just elaborate on the importance of a positive and peaceful mental state if someone's dealing with cancer or any other chronic illness or, you know, a caretaker, um, 'cause it's so, so important.

Jim: And, and I'll get into that here in a second. But the first thing I wanna mention is I've had 108 patients with spiritual near death experiences in my office, right? And they report the other realm is more real than this realm. They get mad about coming back. It's kind of, uh, peaceful or [00:51:00] blissful when they're in that other state.

And, um, when they do come back, they're more intuitive and more mission oriented and focused with that. So with my cancer patients wanting to get them in a peaceful state, what do I tear? Tell them I point out. The downside for you with your cancer is ultimate bliss. That's what my near death patients report, you're gonna do fine.

I'm working for your family. They want to keep you around. But you know, this past weekend I had Vinny Toman here. But when he was flying into, uh, Lexington, Kentucky, you know, it was raining and it was very bumpy, and a couple of the women on the plane sc sprint, but he was almost giddy. And the reason he was almost giddy is he misses, he aches for that other side. It was so wonderful over there. He literally, you know, gets depressed and lonely at times because he's not over there.

It may have instead to do with you demonstrating your courage with you, demonstrating your faith, and with you teaching others that there are other ways to manage [00:52:00] cancer other than conventional approaches.

So that may be the purpose of you having, yeah, everything, everything has a purpose. 

Jacqueline: Yeah. Romans 8 28, Dr. Roach. I mean, God works all things together for good and I wouldn't, I mean, well, I started well and strong because of my mom, 

Jim: yeah. Yeah. 

Jacqueline: he, he brings good out of things.

Jim: So certainly there are bad things that happen, but I don't consider anything evil or negative 'cause it's just individuals that haven't, aren't far enough on the learning curve and on earth we're supposed to have. Service to self individuals versus service to other individuals. That dynamic occurs because it creates knowledge, it creates information, contributed to infinite knowledge.

You know, if everyone knew everything, if everyone was goody two shoes, we wouldn't be able to create information. How could we do favors for other people? Because they had everything they need. Uh, so. It's on purpose the way it is on this. And the key thing is it's teaching us unconditional love. How to [00:53:00] love 24 7 unconditionally.

It's teaching us to be grateful, uh, 24 7. So getting back to your original question, I teach all of my patients quantum physics. You know, I think Einstein was right equals mc squared. That was 120 years ago, right? Where energy and mass interchange. But a lot of scientists and a lot of, uh, individuals don't really, uh.

Understand that that ends again, a very important, uh, study was done 60 years ago called the Double slit Experiment, where if you take a barrier and put two vertical slits and you take a photon that will go through one of those slits and make a mark. But if you, that's, if someone's observing, if no one's observing, what happens?

The whole wall lights up. If you take a video recorder, videotape it, what happens? You see a single mark, if you take the battery of the video recorder, what happens? The whole wall lights up. What does that mean? Waves are going through instead of a photon when you're not observing. Okay. And, uh, those waves have an awareness.

They have a [00:54:00] consciousness because they know when you're observing, when you're not observing, they know when there's a battery in the video recorder and when there's a, not a battery in the video recorder. Right? That's profound. And scientists didn't know what to do with that at first, 60 years ago with that.

And you're aware of the work, uh, with Maser Moto, right? That uh, with water to.

Sure. 

Jacqueline: Yep.

Jim: Uh, so, uh, when you give loving messages to one, uh, container water and hateful messages to the other, you freeze and slice the look under the microscope. Beautiful crystals where you sent love, chaotic structure where you sent hate, and then he just wrote loving messages and taped it on one wrote hateful message taped on the other guy, the identical result.

That research was peer reviewed and published and duplicated again and again. So water knows when it's being loved and when it's being hated. We're 70% water and imagine an atom, uh, one inch and diameter surface, the nucleus, the diameter of atom, one mile. So we're 99.99. 9 9 9 9% hot [00:55:00] air with that. So we're extremely porous when we're in solid particle form, and then we're going back and forth 20,000 times every nanosecond between being a particle and being waves.

So every thought we're generating waves, right? If we're having positive thoughts. That's, uh, immediately healing to our body. And when we're having negative thoughts, that's immediately detrimental to our body. And then it packs everyone in our environment and radiates on the universe. On infinitum.

Every thought impacts the whole universe.

Now, Einstein thought that speed of light was the fastest that anything could travel, but he describes spooky behavior at a distance where if you, um, have a particle and it splits in half, one half goes one end of the universe, the other half, the other end of the universe, any, the action on one half particle on one side instantly affects the other side.

So we are all instantly connected. And a great example of that is mother's intuition with the gentleman won the Nobel Prize. You know, with quantum entanglement, you know, if a child's getting into [00:56:00] trouble, mom knows instantly right here in the chest whether the child's on the next block or the other side of the street.

So we all are instantly connected. So yeah, positive thoughts 24 7. I think you can heal most any scenario if you can have positive thoughts 24 7. So how do you do that? Well, number one, uh, set your, uh, prayers. Set your prayers, set your intentions first thing in the morning, and then when you go to bed at night as well, right?

Elite athletes, if they wanna erase, they do what they visualize. Right. And because they visualize it, that improves the odds of winning the race.

And the way Nicholas Tesla made it clear was he wrote down each intention three times, first thing in the morning, six times middle of the day, and nine times a night. And that's how he manifested, uh, with, uh, that I have my patients make an angry list. Everyone they've been angry with their whole life.

Send love outta those individuals daily. Uh, forgive three people every day and maybe ask for forgiveness from some 10 things you're grateful for in the morning. 10 different things you're grateful for in the evening if you have a negative thought. Uh, [00:57:00] you have 17 seconds to cancel that port snowballs into the second and a third negative thought.

So you can say cancel, cancel, and then move outta your brain and move into your heart space. You know, the brain's supposed to solve problems like changing a tire in a car, but it's not supposed to get tangled up in emotions. That's the heart's. Then the heart's about peace and love. So if you take some, you know, chest, abdominal, breasts, just a few of those and just consciously move outta your brain into your heart space, those emotions fade away.

And then you can move into a state of gratitude of, you know, we have indoor plumbing. Indoor lighting, we have climate control. We didn't have any of that a hundred years ago. We're, you know, almost have to invent ways to be unhappy. But everything in life has a purpose and that is key to understand. So.

Part of the lessons is we're not our physical body, so things happen to our physical body, but guess what? We are soul inside that physical body, right? We're spirit inside there. And that's what these lessons of, you know, so if, if we have physical issues or [00:58:00] had abuse issues or whatever, what are the lessons that we learned?

We learned to be stronger. We learned to trust in God. And that process rights, everything went beautifully. Who would care about God? Right? Uh, but it's important to know, uh, you know, how we were created and what our purpose is here on Earth. And that's, and the tougher the challenges, the tougher the soul.

And it's my belief that before we came on this earth that we, uh, said, I wanna have this lesson. I wanna have that lesson. And so I think we even, uh, designed these for our own growth, um, with that.

Jacqueline: A few things that came to mind, Dr. Rich, when you were talking. I think the more science comes out about, again, the power of the mind and, and the power of gratitude and, and being at peace, the more it just affirms what's been written in scripture, you know, thousands of years ago. Um, one verse that comes to mind is the one in Proverbs, A heart at peace gives life to the body.

Bible also says life and death is in the power of the tongue. And just to your point about speaking and the power of our thoughts, like one thing I, I [00:59:00] always have my mom, or I really emphasize that she do every day is just speak life over her body. Speak health over her body, you know, in the name of Jesus.

'cause that's the most powerful name.

Jim: Those cells have a consciousness and they're listening, uh, and the trees are listening and the grass is listening too. Everything has a consciousness we've learned and that is profound. Uh, so it's just like a children's book when you get up in the morning and say, well, thank you pillow for allowing my head rest peacefully.

Thank you, uh, mattress. Thank you Alice for keeping the rain out and so forth. Just becoming like children, right? Uh, that's a biblical as well with that. Um, and love and intimacy are so key. So I'm reading, uh, Dean Ornish's book, uh, love and Survival at the moment. It read 25 years ago, but just simply love and intimacy improve survival.

Two, to fourfold that with any health condition, not just cancer, any health condition. And so the Bible also mentions, you know, you can move [01:00:00] mountains, uh, but if you have not love, what have you accomplished? In other words, you can do great things. But it's meaningless unless it's, uh, you're sending love along with that.

So if you have cancer, you don't need to come up with big programs. You know, you don't need to tell God, well, I'm gonna do this great thing or that great thing. Just smile at everyone you encounter. Just say a kind word to everyone that you encounter that's not only as powerful, it's more powerful than doing great physical things.

Okay? That's really what we're here to learn.

Jacqueline: The power of positive thinking. Dr. Roach By Norman Vincent Peel's my all time favorite book, and I read that pretty much like two or three times a year. But everything you're saying too is, is a lot of what he, he preaches

Jim: There's no reason to fear.

No reason to fear, and,

uh. Everything has a purpose. Everything ultimately is going to go for the good. You're growing your soul and you want to grow it as much as possible. So you don't wanna [01:01:00] stay home isolated. You want, we need to be out there interacting with as many people as we can, sharing this message.

And the more we interact, the more we learn, the more, uh, the creator learns from us in this process. Uh, and the more our soul grows, uh, with that and the happier we be. You know, if we're in a silo, we become depressed and it's promoting disease process. So

get out there and interact and share, uh, and, and don't judge though in the process, right?

Learn that we all, what we need to learn on Earth is that not to kill each other, right? Once we learn that lesson, then we can look at joining the universal family. Then we can learn, you know, as far as galaxies, everyone in that galaxy, uh, you need to learn not to kill all those individuals as well. 'cause maybe there are lots of ETS out there that we need to learn to get along, but we gotta solve the issues here first before we can address those.

Jacqueline: Well, Dr. Roach, this has been a wonderful conversation. Again, we've [01:02:00] covered so many different topics. You're gonna come back on again soon 'cause there's much more to discuss. But I really enjoyed meeting with you. Um, you have such a wonderful purpose. Thank you for all the incredible work you're doing. You have also written some incredible books, including brilliance I think is your most recent.

So where can listeners find you, pick up a copy of, of some of your 

Jim: Right. Uh, so I've written three books. They're all available on Amazon, or if you wanna, uh, my autograph on it, you can order it through my office. Uh, my office address is the midway center.com, but I also have, uh, dr roach.net, uh, D-R-R-O-A-C h.net because I put on a conference every year, the third weekend on co.

Uh. Of October where I teach everything I know over a three day period of time. And so I'm trying to educate practitioners about getting away from prescription drugs and using safer, healthier natural, uh, approaches. It's so much more effective when doing so, and the side effects are, are positive [01:03:00] side effects, less dementia, less cardiovascular risk, and so forth with that.

I have a newsletter that I put out monthly, and so when you, uh, contact one of those websites, you can sign up for my newsletter as well. So, um, I. Yeah, brilliance is my most recent book, uh, pursuit of Hope, wisdom Divine. Uh, my first book, God's House Calls, so has over 200 stories, uh, that my patients have shared, uh, on spiritual near death experiences, premonitions intuitions and so forth.

And then my middle book was Vital Strategies in Cancer. So yeah, thanks for doing what you do. You're a beautiful soul. I, I could tell you so many things about yourself that, uh, you don't realize how I can after 47 years of practice, but you are giving so much love to the world. Um, so thank you. Thank you, thank you.

Jacqueline: Thank you, Dr. Roach I really appreciate that. I do have one last question for you, and this is always my favorite one to

ask, and that is, what does being well and strong mean to you?

Jim: Being well and strong is number one, [01:04:00] getting spiritually grounded. Understanding what your purpose is here on this earth. That's the single most important thing. But also it's realizing let's make our bodies like a temple. 'cause we feel better when we're like a temple, right? So good nutrition, physical activity, uh, balancing our lives, getting a good healthy night's sleep, and, uh, working hard on relationships to make those relationships work.

But, you know, finding and, uh, staying with positive energy people is real important.

Jacqueline: I love that. Beautiful. , This has been so much fun. Again, I'm looking forward to having you on again soon, and yeah, I can't wait to share this with listeners.

Jim: You take care.

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