The LYLAS Podcast
If you know what LYLAS stands for, then this podcast is for you! Two besties since middle school turned moms and psychologists dish on "the good, the fun, and the yucks" of life! We're tackling all things mental health, "mom balance" (whatever the hell that is), transitions in life (divorce, career, aging parents, parent loss, loss of friendships), self-care, travel, healthy habits, raising kids, and allllllll the things us midlife mamas are experiencing. We hope each week listeners feel like they just left a good ol' therapy session with their bestie! We'll dish on all the tips and tricks to keep your mental health in check and enjoy this thing called life! Meet your life's newest cheerleaders-- Sarah & Jen! LYLAS!
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The LYLAS Podcast, Re-Release, "Re-writing Our Stories: The Path to Forgiveness"
It's "Re-Release Time" as we are preparing for Season 5 of "The LYLAS Podcast!" What can you expect from Season 5? A new logo, website, improved sound and visual quality of the podcast, new and exciting topics and guests!!! It's all coming your way!!!! But, before it does we are kicking it back to some of our favs from Season 4!
Ever found yourself holding onto resentment because you are convinced of someone else's ill intentions? Forgiveness isn't about letting others off the hook, it's about freeing ourselves from the negative, emotional weight. Listen in as we share how we are working through this process ourselves!
Please be sure to checkout our website for previous episodes, our psych-approved resource page, and connect with us on social media! All this and more at www.thelylaspodcast.com
Hey folks, it's Sarah Stevens with the Lylas Podcast and we are doing some re-releases as we gear up for Season 5 of the Lylas Podcast.
Speaker 1:And before we get into the re-release, let me just tell you that we have a new look, a new sound, a new logo and a new website all coming your way. So be sure to text the show, as you can do from your favorite podcasting platform, and let us know what you want us to talk about. We already have several guests confirmed and we are listening to your requests in order to get them booked. So be sure to text the show, give us your ideas, thoughts, opinions, whatever, and we will all take it to heart. Again, thank you so much for listening and being a part of our podcast. Our first re-release from Season four is about forgiveness Cue that old 80s song right, but it's a tough topic and it's something that we're all still working on, whether it's with our partners, our family, with ourself. It's a big word and takes a lot of big work, and so we're going to kick it back to our first episode release from season four, where we talk about rewriting our stories and the path to forgiveness.
Speaker 2:Welcome to LILAS. If you grew up in the 80s and 90s and you know what LILAS stands for, then this podcast is for you. Hey, season four, what's up? Season four, baby. I'm so excited to be back recording. I had on just my typical Viore sweatpants and I was like hell, no, this is season four. Record day Press play, let's do this. So I put on like an actual outfit today for this.
Speaker 1:God, good for you. And here I am just coming in fresh off of a run in a yoga class. I didn't have the same thought you look cute regardless.
Speaker 2:I just I wanted to celebrate, we're back at it, it feels good.
Speaker 1:It does, it does. It's been a long break. We've been busy doing a lot of different things, but I think throughout that time we've both had the opportunity to talk with people who have listened to the show. We've done our re-releases for the summer and so thanks to all those who have like downloaded. You know we're still kind of tuning into what we have to kind of say on this, but we are so pumped to really just have this time again to talk to each other. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, right, to get back at it. You said long break. I felt like it was a super short break. It was like the shortest summer ever. I felt like I blinked and it was over and I was back to packing lunches again. So I feel like it was just it was. We did a lot in a short amount of time. I would agree with that, but it felt like a short break to me. However, still very excited to be back. I was at a birthday party last weekend and several people asked me what the update was with Lylas and I told them that we were getting back to recording this week and I was very excited to be able to share that. So here we are and I'm excited for the topics and the guests that we have identified for this season. So I think that it's going to be some good stuff, some new stuff we haven't even talked about yet. Who thought we'd come up with more things to talk about 61 episodes later, right?
Speaker 2:I don't know, we're going to be out of it by now. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess. But thank God humans are so diverse and our universe is so expansive that we're able just to kind of pick up and cue in on some things, including like today's topic, like whenever we were briefly discussing it. We've never somehow come across and thought about talking about this. I don't even know what that says.
Speaker 2:We've just had a lot of other stuff to talk about and it's been, you know. I also think it's like just the phase of life that we're in. We're in a real shit show of life right now. I don't know about you in this we're definitely going to talk about this season but I have just like fully accepted the fact that I'm in perimenopause at this point and almost like mad that I didn't recognize it sooner. Like you, idiot.
Speaker 2:Like all signs were pointing to ding, ding, ding. You know we had talked about it once before on an episode. It's not like I was unfamiliar with the topic, but it's like, and maybe it's just sort of solidified for me here recently. But it's like you're 42 years old, You've probably been experiencing this for a couple of years now and I've just been. I've learned so much about it so I'm excited to talk about that. But if that wasn't enough, as a midlife woman to have to deal with fucking perimenopause, Thank you. I just also think there's just there's been so many heavy things happen in this season of life. Right, we're dealing, like we've talked about before, with aging parents and loss of parents. We've covered that in previous seasons and I just think that there's a lot to unpack right now as a midlifer. So I don't think it says anything bad about us that we haven't talked about forgiveness before today. I think it says that we have had a lot of other topics to cover.
Speaker 2:And now it's time to talk about that, because of course, we talk about things that come up in our life. And now it's time to talk about that Cause of course we talk about things that come up in our life, and this was a conversation we started to have the other day and we said let's press pause and have this on the mic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that was hard to do because we both just naturally, once we started talking about it, I think you've kind of fallen to a groove, especially on topics like this, where you're right. Just certain moments or experiences hit you and then you realize you have to kind of pivot what your previous thoughts about something or someone was to them, maybe at times a more compassionate place, maybe at times it's maybe not a compassionate place, but it's just an interesting pause, I guess. Whenever forgiveness comes late, I think we're I don't, I don't know that it ever really comes very soon, though, and now that I just said that, I think it depends on the situation and the person.
Speaker 2:There's so many variables there. But I consider myself a pretty forgiving person, like I don't know. But I consider myself a pretty forgiving person Like I don't know would you agree with that Like I tend to do worship pretty quickly and I'm like, okay, let's move on, let bygones be bygones. But there are a few instances in life, particularly in the last, we'll say, 10 years, where I have definitely held grudges or held onto things that you know, I was hurt and we've talked about this and I think this is definitely a topic for another day but how we tend to make up stories or not make them up, but we were telling ourselves these stories in our head and then we start to look for evidence to verify that we're correct, that our story is in fact correct.
Speaker 2:And I had a situation recently and I'm gonna be very careful how I say this because I know that this isn't public knowledge and I wanna be respectful of that but I had a situation recently where someone in my past who had previously really hurt me this is sort of how this all came to be I found out something really terrible and tragic had happened to that person and it was like in an instant I felt forgiveness for that person, for everything that had happened, you know, like it didn't matter, it instantly didn't matter and it was something, well, I would think a lot of people would agree really mattered. It was not a little deal, it was a big deal and um, but in that instant it was just I can't describe it. I was just like everything's forgiven and um. You know, because when you hear something so terrible, um A it started to make a lot of things that happened.
Speaker 2:I know I'm being very vague, so this may be hard to follow, but it helped me realize a different perspective to what had happened, one that I had never considered before.
Speaker 2:And now I couldn't ignore it, and it was a very different perspective from what I had previously had. So, you know, it just reminded me that what I had decided in my mind was true. That's what happened. That's how this person hurt me or wronged me or whatever the storyline in your head is, and it is really hard for you to let that go Right At least for me, it was at this instant and so it just I don't know.
Speaker 2:I think it's forgiveness is such a tricky thing, but now, in thinking about other situations, it's it's sparked this whole idea of like, thinking about other situations in life and how, like, maybe my perspective is wrong in that situation too, and maybe I need to look at a different, look at it from a different angle or a different lens. And it just has really got me thinking about how we hold on to negative emotions and anger and frustration and hurt and how it affects us. And you know, when in all reality, and especially in this situation, there was something totally different going on from what my perception was. I don't know, it's just, it's really. It makes you think, makes you analyze things right. Maybe we don't know everything, maybe we don't have it right, like it really starts to make you think I'm only going to pay attention to what I have solid evidence to support, not what I can interpret as supporting my theory. Yeah, and that is. What do you have to say about that? I feel like you're sitting on some sort of knowledge over there. Oh God.
Speaker 1:I wish I'm laying an egg over here, right? No, I think it's so hard to do those things in the moment. That's the first thing that comes to my place with it. But you know, as you're talking about the stories that we create unintentionally but based upon our own personal narrative, this reminds me of whenever we were at our retreat in Arizona, because that was one of the topics that came up as part of our like morning lessons was like how we will often create stories to verify what we think is right. It's like having that confirmation bias is what you know.
Speaker 1:Back in what like psychology world was what we would term that as being? But we all do it and it's very unconscious. But then I was recently at another kind of like Ayurvedic, based but more focused on like meditation and breathing type of retreat based but more focused on like meditation and breathing type of retreat and they said something that we often look for intention and mistakes that have been made towards us, but we don't often see intention in our own mistakes. So we assign it in others but not in ourselves. And by assigning intention behind someone else's behavior, we are also adding anger and resentment to it and then subtracting away our energy and our goodwill and you know all the light, and love or whatever else that we can bring into the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, by having assigned that intention to someone else's actions. And it does create a misbalance because we're not doing that for ourselves. If I make a mistake, that I'm completely justified because you know, oh, I forgot or I did this, or you know, we make up excuses to justify whatever happened within our misgivings or doings. But then whenever we look at somebody else, it's like, oh, bullshit, you weren't paying attention. You know what I mean. We can go down a whole long line of assigning attention intention and then creating a story behind it, and it's just, it creates that unbalance or misalignment.
Speaker 2:It so hits the nail on the head that it's the intention behind it, it's the creation of what that person intended behind the behavior. When you assign that intention, you know it's like you're the all knowing of exactly. You know there's so many other possibilities. I think just recognizing that there are so many other reasons it's not to say that we can't take accountability for our behavior and that actions don't have you know, you know things are, you know, like a domino effect in many situations. But realizing that there could be so many possibilities for intention, and also in talking about the, the meditation retreat we did, I've started reading the seven principles that you gave me.
Speaker 2:And I'm really diving into it. So I'm taking like a little bit of the time and I'm really like journaling about it and like I'm tying it all together. I'm doing a lot of things right now, a lot of habit stacking happening over here right now. It's going really well, but anyway. And so I'm in the first law right Seven laws which is the law of limitless possibilities right, limitless potential or something to that effect, and three things if you want to experience this law of, you know, potentiality. Three things to focus on are meditation, which I already do every day, so check. The second one is practicing non-judgment. And the third one is to be in nature, right?
Speaker 2:It's been time to nature, connect with nature, grounding that kind of stuff, and so I was like, okay, I do some of these things already, so I can make a plan for how I'm going to increase this. I'm going to spend, you know, 15 minutes a day meditating, every day this week. I'm going to make sure that I drink my coffee outside and I'm going to go for a run or whatever.
Speaker 2:And then I'm going to really practice non-judgment, which is really hard, non-judgment of self and others, but it is, once you start to acknowledge when you are judging someone, it is really easy to sort of turn it off and be like not my place, like this, this me practicing being non-judgmental, and then you can it's a lot easier to kind of like turn it off. And so I have just found how it's all sort of overlapping, like all of these things that I'm thinking about and experiencing. You know, it goes back to like that non-judgment don't create, don't create stories, don't create um. What did you say? I can't think of the word now, but don't create the um an intention, intention person yeah, the other person's intention for their behavior.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm, I don't know which to me is just not being judgmental, like not judging someone else's behavior and actions, mm hmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah and that, but that is again. It is so hard Like I can sit here and just spout this stuff off like it's you know what I mean A gospel. I'm living and walking every day, but I'm not one of the 12 here. You know what I mean. So it's not something that you. It's a very hard thing to practice, especially within the moment, but I think it does come down to the more that you touch base with coming into play with those basic practices. Being non judgmental, taking the time out to meditate, time out in the woods, whatever it happens to be at that kind of point in time, is just kind of getting additional reps or practice in on on. That will make it easier at different points in time to kind of do that or to kind of refocus back with it. But it is, yeah, it's tough, like everything else, right.
Speaker 2:It's hard. I think it's more of just like having the conscious, like awareness of when it's happening. I think that to me, that's what I'm looking for when I'm thinking of like am I making progress in these things? Am I like acknowledging times when I'm being judgmental, at least like I'm doing, that I'm at least taking the first step of like oh hey, that's a judgmental thought about somebody, or your create, you know, like it could be something totally different. And so just acknowledging when you're having that, I feel like it's progress. Right, are you going to like never judge anyone the rest of you no, nobody's perfect, but it's like just that, like awareness. Never judge anyone the rest of you no, nobody's perfect, but it's like just that, like awareness of our thoughts, when you know you can do that, but like think of all the things that we create and the storylines and how, like friendships and families and like relationships.
Speaker 2:I mean like so many things, because we create intention and stories, because we create intention and stories, and then you know we're willing to like divide from people and like fight, for you know what we've decided is the truth and this is not, like you know, some huge revelation or anything new that people are talking about. But I know for me growing up and you know I love my mom, I do, but she can hold a grudge with the best of them and I think it just that I have always been kind of like like let's move on. Like you know, I've messed up too, like you know, like I'm always just able to get past things for the most part, and sometimes that hasn't served me well, like sometimes, you know, I've been hurt twice. Like shame on me, right. But I think forgiveness is so achievable if we stop to believe that like, hey, maybe we don't have this, all the knowledge to the story, all the pieces. Maybe we don't have it all figured out, maybe this isn't the intention of them behaving in this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and again, it's tough, especially whenever you've learned different patterns throughout your life from different teachers and by teachers. I just mean influence, you know, not necessarily like the Instagram, facebook ones, but, you know, like our parents or grandparents or friend group, whatever. I mean, we're all, we're all constantly learning and observing through our environment and, um, that serves as the person who we become, until we're probably at this midlife point where we're like, hey, you know what, some of this stuff might've not been serving me too well, so I might just have to kind of like step back a bit and pivot again, not necessarily abandoning, but just be willing to kind of break away from some, um, just unhealthy things that we've been doing. I don't want to call them like habits or behaviors or whatever else there's. That's not general enough. You know what I mean. It's just what we have been doing that has not been maybe as effective as what it could be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if it's not serving us, which is what we've taught, we talk about that every week, right? Like if it's not serving us, it's got to go. And to me, this is one of those things, like it's not serving us to create these narratives. And, you know, I think about all the like, just just like the negative feelings I've had towards this person over the last several years and like I had no idea what was happening.
Speaker 2:You know, like I. Just it's like I don't know we got to think about, we've got to think about you know, is it worth it at the?
Speaker 2:end of the day Is it worth the stress and the havoc that it wreaks on our body? And the more I learn and the older that we get, we need to really try to keep our cortisol down and like homeostasis right, that's like the name of the fucking game. Right now it's like keep everything equal, keep your blood sugar equal, like all the things. That's always been your case. But now it's like extra, because now you're going to age extra fast if you don't, and all other things Right, yes, but I mean in all seriousness, you're trying to just keep everything tranquilo, or at least that's what I'm trying to do right now. And if part of that is releasing anger and frustration and forgiving people for things I've forgiven people for way, way, way worse, like why couldn't I forgive that? That's fair, you know. So like just like really starting to think about that kind of stuff and I hate.
Speaker 2:I hate that it had to be such a terrible situation to see something from a different perspective, but I feel like unfortunately that happens a lot.
Speaker 1:No, it happens to all of us all the time. It takes that for us to sometimes see gratitude. It's the unfortunate side of the world at times, or of ourselves at those moments. But even with forgiveness, I think as I'm hearing you talk about it, two things come to mind. One just because we've forgiven a person does not mean that we have to reach back out and be buddies with them or that we have to have a relationship with them.
Speaker 1:Forgiveness is not so much about the other person, it's about ourselves. Right, it's about not letting that yeah, it's about not letting that toxicity continue to be within us. Like there's that old Buddhist saying that, um, like, what anger is whenever you um, what is it? Uh, you drink poison and expect somebody else to get sick. You know that's not how this kind of thing works. And so, um, forgiveness is more about ourselves and not about the other person. So, even if you and that's really just decreasing your attachment to the emotional components of the behavior or of the relationship it doesn't mean you reinvest in the relationship or that you you know what I mean try to make some other type of amends on your behalf, especially if it's not a great situation or whatever. But it really is about you as the individual putting that down.
Speaker 2:Right and I couldn't agree with you more. Like am I going to reach out to this person? Absolutely not. Like I'm just not going to, like that's just not no Right, because at the end of the day, what happened like it was still wasn't good, like it was still a very terrible thing that happened. Now I just understand why it happened, that's fair. I think that is where I could like go of the anger and the intent, like the intent wasn't there and I know that now, which is very different when you feel like someone has harmed you purposefully versus you were you know a bystander or you know innocent bystander, because, just, it has a different attachment to that pain and that anger that goes with it, Definitely.
Speaker 1:Definitely. I think the word resentment comes up a lot whenever I think about forgiveness, because if you're still harboring that emotion in particular, then you've really never moved to that forgiveness part that happened and so and resentment is again. It's like a long, it's like a long form cancer that's just eating away at you. You know, maybe you can't even necessarily detect it in a sense, but it is living and eating away at you big time.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and I think you may not know, sometimes, sometimes, like you're saying, like you don't, even, like I wouldn't have said that I was like harboring all this ill will, but the moment I heard that and I was like, oh, it's like the weight that I felt. I was like oh that was affecting me more than I recognized, or like I had some real feelings about that. Yeah, ill, all this time real feelings about that. Yeah, bill, all this time later, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then you think about that and again nonjudgmentally, but how much of our own time or energy or whatever else has been been, I don't know, tainted in a way, because we've had that grayness kind of I don't know over our eyes and we weren't able to see all the light that was comingness, kind of I don't know over our eyes and we weren't able to see all the light that was coming through, kind of a thing, all the color.
Speaker 2:Just trying to see the light over here.
Speaker 1:people Just trying to see the light Go towards the tunnel.
Speaker 2:See the colors.
Speaker 1:Whatever it takes, but it is so hard. Is that conscious? I think it's a. They call it conscious communication. Conscious it's, I think it's a. They call it conscious communication. There's different con. It's conscious living. It's living within your own conscious state and recognizing what is happening within that place. And it's not always easy to do. We're easily distracted. But even in those points of time it's like a conscious awareness that you're being distracted by something right, it's like when you awareness that you're being distracted by something.
Speaker 2:Right, it's like when you're meditating and your mind drifts to a thought and then you drift back to your mantra.
Speaker 2:But you know, it's like that awareness of like, oh yeah, I'm thinking about something else, when I'm supposed to be concentrating on my mantra or whatever you know, focusing on my breath or whatever you're supposed to be doing at the moment, that conscious awareness. I will say too, again, we have talked about meditation a lot and we will probably talk about it more because it's a real passion of mine personally. But you know the practice of it. I am noticing the practice of it is so, oh, it's getting so good, like two years into this and you just the way you can drop in and so easily get to that place of just real clear like presence is really. I mean, you know it's, it's all the hype, it's all the people talk about like the more you practice anything, meditation is so different is no different. People talk about like the more you practice anything, meditation is so different is no different, no different than anything else. It just keeps getting better and better and the results I feel like in what you take away from your practice just keeps getting better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your depth then has really changed too. Like you listened, we've talked about this a bit, but you're picking up on different apps or different ways that you've kind of gone about and helped along that journey, so it doesn't become stagnant too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just tried new things. Like being open is really big. I tend to be very much a creature of habit Once I find something, I stick with it. But just being open to new experiences and what that might do. And you know, at first I didn't really like it the different, the new tab I'm using but now I'm like you know, no, I don't want to use anything else. I did go back the other day and use my Melissa Wood app. I use it all the time for her workouts, but I used it for meditation and it was still great and it was a great. It was a nice change of pace to do something different. Um, so yeah, I like having all the tools. I'm just all like, put them all in the bag, you know, like, bring them all along because everything works so far Like it's working. Bring them all along because everything works so far Like it's working.
Speaker 1:Well and again. That's again because I think we're now willing to go to the tool store and start to buy them. You know what I mean. Instead of just use the tools that we were given by life, we're now in the process of creating our own kit to assist with Right, and we're not just buying them, we're like using them.
Speaker 2:You're using the tools assist with right and we're not just buying them, we're like using them. You're using the tools, you're practicing the tools, even if, like, day to day, you're not seeing the progress. It's the long term progress that you're saying, where you're like, wow, this is working, you know if I could just get like the perimenopause piece in place like figure that out.
Speaker 2:I am diving heavily into cycle syncing. It's a real focus for me for the next I'm going to say three months. I'm sure we will cover it again because I am like I said, I'm going deep, you're going in the practice zone, I'm going in the practice zone, I am going to be the guinea pig because I've, you know, like, all that shit's true, all that shit they say is true when you get to your 40s. It's wild, yeah, annoying. And it's wild and like, why haven't we figured this out yet? People, I know, yeah, it's 2024. How have we not figured out hormone hacking?
Speaker 2:we're not paying attention to it besides synthetic like how have we not figured this out yet? But apparently people think they have, and it's called cycle syncing and I'm down to try it, because what do I have to lose at this point? Amen this perimenopause. Belly ain't going nowhere she's here.
Speaker 1:I know Good God.
Speaker 2:What else are we going to talk about this season, season four?
Speaker 1:Well, we have a great list.
Speaker 2:Super interesting guests on board and some we still haven't reached out to yet, but I think the list.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's on the to do.
Speaker 1:It's on the list the list and so we have some new things to it with the show as well. So if you have some ideas, you can actually text the show now. So whenever you are using whatever podcast platform to listen to it, it has an option. If you scroll that, you can text the show. Text us your ideas, it'll come straight to us. You, if you scroll that, you can text the show, text us your ideas, it'll come straight to us. You know we'll text you back. If we're able to thank you for it, we'll send you some swag in the mail or whatever, but you know your all's feedback is always so helpful within this entire process. So that's some I think we're going to redive back into healthy habits because, as you mentioned, whenever we first started this podcast, you had your daily five.
Speaker 2:The daily five is now increased. Oh my God, it's like the daily 15 now, but I do it in the amount of time that the daily five, like you know, since you have it stack, you do habits on top of habits and yeah, that's a lifestyle.
Speaker 1:Yes, but actually like coming into touch with that and how these habits have evolved to not take up more time, but to give us more time to, kind of like, enjoy our life and to be there within the moment. And so it's. It is about finding the most efficient ways in order to make that kind of stuff happen, so it's not like we're getting up at four o'clock in the morning you know, at least I'm not and do all this kind of stuff. I know this one does.
Speaker 2:I like to get up early, though that's my time, that's my jam.
Speaker 1:I thought I was an early morning person too, and then you're like up at like five and I'm like I'm here at 6 15, is that cool?
Speaker 2:I mean I go for my run or my walk at 6 15, but by then I've already had my ag1 and hot water with lemon and I've meditated and packed lunches.
Speaker 1:She's going to make two loaves of bread, yeah.
Speaker 2:But the habit stacking and we will definitely dive in, dive into this, because I've thought a lot about this lately too it is really just created out of things that I like to do. I have just created a routine of things that I enjoy, that are good for me, and that's how it's evolved, and so I think that that's it's something that I look forward to every day. It's not like, oh, I got to get all these things done. It's like I get to meditate, I get to get outside for my sunlight, I get to take the dog for a walk or go for a run or move my body, whatever I'm doing Right, so yeah, and that's a good word.
Speaker 1:Well, I get to that's. That's actually seen it as like this is like something we should be proud that we have the opportunity to take part in. You know, it's like this is the blessing that I have, the I can, I get to do this. It's like winning an award, um, so that's definitely some of them we've talked about. Really, just as we're coming into this as you said, season kind of place or whatever just how do we live unapologetically as ourselves, and so that'll be fun. I think that'll be great.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm excited for that conversation. We'll just end that one because I don't. I don't want to give too much away. I think it's going to be a really fun conversation, since we already started that one as well and had to pause for the cause.
Speaker 1:Pause for the cause. Developing Quest, I think, was another one that we had kind of mentioned. Yeah, and so can you talk a little bit about that one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I need to send you an article to read before it, but it's basically just looking at. Yeah, I need to send you an article to read before it, but it's basically just looking at goals as quests rather than goals.
Speaker 2:So it's like trying to achieve quests, sort of gamifying it a little bit more. We probably need to develop that one out a little bit more, but it was all based on this article my husband sent me and then we did this conversation we had. So that's where and I like that whole idea of like really looking at your bucket list that's another journal I'm using right now, the bucket list journal. I love it. I've got like 30 something things written down for my bucket list and at first I was like I won't be able to think of that many things. But once you work through the journal this specific journal it sort of like helps you figure that out. Before it category it has like eight or 10 different categories and then, before you know it, you've got like three or four things for each one and so, yeah, anyway, I just love that whole idea of like turning our goals into like these. Like you know, this quest of like, can I achieve it? Because it's really about it's not even about, like, the achievement of the goal, it's the process of getting there and so really trying to maybe enjoy that a little bit more. I know, let's see we've got like we said. I don't want to say too much about guests because we haven't firmed up all the details or their show topics, but very interesting, some of the ideas that we have, so really excited about that.
Speaker 2:Before we go, we're going to sign off, this is our first episode, season four but there is one thing we want to ask from you. You're going to hear it at the end of probably every episode this season. We don't ask for much. We're the little show that could. We're so grateful for all of our listeners, everybody that reaches out. It makes it, literally makes our day. So if you please, if you are a listener and you love the show, please give us a review. On whatever platform you are listening to us, whether that's Spotify or Apple, whatever, wherever you listen to your podcast, leave us a review, we will be eternally grateful. Whatever, wherever you listen to your podcast, leave us a review, we will be eternally grateful. And, um, yeah, I think that's. Uh, I think that'll do it for show number one.
Speaker 2:No, season four, show number 61 it's crazy crazy before we know it right, if we would have not listened.
Speaker 1:If we would have not listened, if we would have listened to a little voice in our head, we may have never been here, but here we are.
Speaker 2:Here we are all these hours later. Thank you to our listeners. Thank you to Seth. He's coming back for season four to listen to these, uh, these midlife first talk. So um he's in for another season, so are we until next week, y'all, lylas.
