The Mind-Body Couple

Mystery Girl: Tanner Interviews Aoife about their Recovery from Chronic Symptoms

• Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson • Episode 90

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After enduring decades of chronic pain, anxiety, and depression, Aoife, a courageous mind-body coach, graces our latest episode with her incredible journey to healing. As a child, Aoife was dubbed the "mystery girl" by doctors due to her endless symptoms and elusive diagnoses, including fibromyalgia. Her story is a testament to resilience and transformation, from struggling with drugs and alcohol as coping mechanisms to embracing a mindful approach to health. Join us to hear Aoife's riveting tale of survival and renewal, which echoes our own personal battles with similar challenges.

Throughout our conversation, we dig deep into the complex and often isolating world of chronic illness. Aoife shares her experiences navigating a maze of restrictive diets and treatments that once controlled her life. The pivotal moment came when she shifted her focus from merely managing symptoms to seeking true freedom and joy. This newfound perspective led her to discover the MindBody Connection, an approach that resonated with her and offered hope beyond the confines of her condition. We explore this transformative realization and the power it holds to reclaim a spontaneous, fulfilling life.

Our episode also delves into the healing power of compassion and the courage to live authentically. Aoife and I discuss how past fears and coping mechanisms can suppress emotions and hinder personal growth. Together, we unpack the ongoing journey of self-compassion and conflict resolution, sharing insights and practices that reinforce healing even when symptoms fade. Tune in for a heartfelt exploration of authenticity, the complexities of self-discovery, and the inspiring work Aoife does with sensitive women through group programs. Let Aoife's story ignite your own path to healing and empowerment.

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Aoife is a mind body coach helping sensitive women break free from chronic pain and illness anxiety and depression using the tools she used to break free from 30 years of chronic symptoms, anxiety and depression. 

Book a free health audit call with Aoife:
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https://aoifemindbody.com/

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Tanner Murtagh and Anne Hampson are therapists who treat neuroplastic pain and mind-body symptoms. They are also married! In his 20s, Tanner overcame chronic pain and a fibromyalgia diagnosis by learning his symptoms were occurring due to learned brain pathways and nervous system dysregulation. Post-healing, Tanner and Anne have dedicated their lives to developing effective treatment and education for neuroplastic pain and symptoms. Listen and learn how to assess your own chronic pain and symptoms, gain tools to retrain the brain and nervous system, and make gradual changes in your life and health!


The Mind-Body Couple podcast is owned by Pain Psychotherapy Canada Inc. This podcast is produced by Alex Klassen, who is one of the wonderful therapists at our agency in Calgary, Alberta. https://www.painpsychotherapy.ca/


Tanner, Anne, and Alex also run the MBody Community, which is an in-depth online course that provides step-by-step guidance for assessing, treating, and resolving mind-body pain and symptoms. https://www.mbodycommunity.com


Also check out Tanner's YouTube channel for more free education and practices: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-Fl6WaFHnh4ponuexaMbFQ


And follow us for daily education posts on Instagram: @painpsychotherapy


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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the MindBodyCouple podcast.

Speaker 2:

I'm Tanner Murtaugh and I'm Anne Hampson. This podcast is dedicated to helping you unlearn chronic pain and symptoms.

Speaker 2:

If you need support with your healing, you can book in for a consultation with one of our therapists at painpsychotherapyca or purchase our online course at embodycommunitycom to access in-depth education, somatic practices, recovery tools and an interactive community focused on healing. Links in the description of each episode. Hi everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Today I'm joined by Aoife, who is a mind-body coach helping sensitive women break free from chronic pain and illness, anxiety and depression, using the tools she used to break free from 30 years of chronic symptoms, anxiety and depression. Well, thanks so much for being on the podcast. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I was going to say you interviewed me last week, so we're going back and forth here in terms of interviews.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's good to see you again.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and maybe tell the listeners where you're located currently.

Speaker 3:

Sure, yeah. So I am Irish and currently I'm living in Mallorca in Spain. Ireland is a beautiful island, but it is very wet and windy, so I'm enjoying the sunshine of Mallorca.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm jealous here because I'm in Canada. I'm actually also Irish, but I'm in Canada and it is very cold this morning. I just went and walked my dog before this. I was thinking that you probably have much better weather right now.

Speaker 3:

It's gorgeous right now. I'm impressed with the amount of things you do in the morning, Tanner.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I'm running around, as I was telling you before, I have young kids, so my mornings are chaotic, that's for sure. So, to dive into things, I thought maybe you could share a bit about your personal journey and how you got into working in the mind-body space.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, sure. So my personal journey began a long time ago when I was actually a very young child. I had reoccurring fevers I think they're called pyrexia of unknown origin another very real symptom with an unknown or unexplained cause. So I would be, I was in and out of doctors and consultants offices. We were living in London at the time and I also had IBS. As a child I had I would complain of a sore stomach, so I had this sore stomach and I had these fevers of a sore stomach. So I had this sore stomach and I had these fevers.

Speaker 3:

And so for as long as I can remember, I've been doing this um, uh, maybe journey or pattern that many of your listeners probably relate to, where you're in and out of doctors offices and consultants and healers. And you know my parents were really open-minded. They took me to all kinds of herbalists and because of IBS and the stomach pain, it's kind of like an obvious thing to blame the food, right. So from an early age, yeah, yeah, so from a really early age, I got the message to be hyper vigilant then also of food, and I think some health care practitioners told my parents that I had candida and maybe it was a sugar thing, so that the sugar and the wheat and the gluten and all these things came in super early for me as messages. Um, yeah, so it was a long time ago that it all started.

Speaker 3:

Um, and then a particular moment in my journey was we moved, uh, from. We were living in London and England at the time and we moved back to Ireland, where my parents are from and all our extended family. So I was six and a half years old and when we moved back to Ireland that Christmas, weirdly enough, this time of year, my fevers got worse. So I used to just get these reoccurring fevers and they spiked so high that I nearly had to be rushed into hospital. Oh, my goodness, yeah. And then I ended up spending time in hospital, getting all these tests in Ireland with the top pediatrician in Ireland, getting all these tests in Ireland with the top pediatrician in Ireland, and I had all these routine blood tests and every part of my body scanned and examined. And then they diagnosed me as mystery girl and it's actually written on my medical report mystery girl.

Speaker 2:

And they said just ignore it and she'll grow out of it okay, so so really not much support was coming from, even, even at a young age, from the medical system totally yeah.

Speaker 3:

So and obviously I didn't grow out of those symptoms and they just continued to morph into, um, all different other symptoms, like um, when I was a teenager, then I was getting really bad period pain and acne and just no energy and chronic fatigue. And then I had got into drugs and alcohol, um, from a young age in Ireland. Back then it was also the thing that you kind of did, and then when I was sharing with you in our interview, when I started to, then I was blaming the drugs and alcohol for everything. Yeah, my health was not good and my skin was not good and my mental health was not good, but I was like, of course it's not good.

Speaker 3:

I'm like like, you know really, um, using these substances, substances in a very extreme way. So I'm like, okay, I get to like 24 years old. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna sort my life out, I'm gonna get on track, I stop drinking and you know I'm using drugs in that way and um, what I found then and I started doing therapy as well and started doing psychoanalysis and what I found was that it was almost like a symptom, imperative, like I didn't have the drugs and alcohol to take the edge off everything and actually started to get worse. Everyone kept saying to me wow, wow, you've been living like a monk and you've not been drinking. You must feel great.

Speaker 2:

And I was like I'm really not, I'm so eventually I got the diagnosis of fibromyalgia yeah, and I want to mention real quick I I relate to you a lot here because I have my own journey with drugs and alcohol as well and I think that's such a common misconception that probably a lot of listeners relate to around. You know, this journey of reducing their drug or alcohol use is, as you said, it's a way of coping. It's not the healthiest way of coping, but it is a way that we cope essentially and all of a sudden that's pulled away and to the outside world they're like oh, it must feel great, like you know you're doing better, like everything seems to be more sorted out in your life, but internally it it just everything gets worse. So I really relate to you there and I think it's such a common misinterpretation of what this kind of healing looks like from drug and alcohol use.

Speaker 3:

And yeah, it was really. It was like that and all of the tension, basically that I was feeling that the drugs, drugs and alcohol were taking the edge off. I was left with all of that tension within me and, despite doing a lot of inner work, I had a Tibetan I still have a Tibetan meditation practice that I had gotten involved with then and and I was doing therapy and I was this is also like an interesting factor I had decided to go to college, go and study and and you know, I thought that that was like part of like getting my life together and, of course, like for a lot of people that is. But I was coming at it from like um, let's say like maybe a slightly like an inauthentic angle, just like uh, ticking um these boxes of what I thought it meant to be a good person, a together person, a successful person, not on drugs and alcohol, you know, achieving I I poured all that energy I started to achieve conventionally yeah and I was.

Speaker 3:

I was like, and I had to get a. I went from like I didn't do well in school. I was always like in trouble in school. So I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna do school good, because I was bad before I'm gonna go do school good. And I went and I did. I got a first and then I and I was doing these things not drinking, getting a's, all these things. I thought like I'm being a good girl now. I should feel better.

Speaker 2:

But I wasn't feeling any better so the symptoms, the chronic symptoms, were just still kind of worsening they were worsening.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I, I got. When I got the diagnosis of fibromyalgia, I weirdly enough, it was a kind of a relief or a happy day, um, because I had spent like, uh, you know, 20 something years being called mysterious and being called um complicated, and having all these very debilitating symptoms but not being told, not being validated in them and not having a language to explain that to people. So I was living in a very isolated and tense inner world and I thought, wow, I have a word now, I can tell people things and I can find other people like me. And I did find other people like me and I did have more language, which did help in a way, but it also led nowhere. It was also fibromyalgia was also just another word for mystery girl. It was also unexplained symptoms and I didn't find anyone, you know, until finding the mind-body connection, who had any answers or roadmaps for recovery to any of these symptoms.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, that's it's so common. I appreciate you sharing that because I remember thinking the same thing when I had chronic symptoms. I was thinking back as a few doctors told me I had fibro as well, amongst other things. There was some arguing back and forth, but I wanted, when I was lost in pain, similar to yourself, I wanted so badly to just be given some diagnosis for someone to explain. I didn't even care how bad it was, I was just like I want to know what is taking place, which makes sense as you share your story. I think there's such an invalidation of what you were going through, coming from the medical system, and it's so common where people just feel unheard, they feel not respected, and so it makes sense. We, we want this label to to validate us and to also be part of, you know, a community, potentially of people that have a similar diagnosis. But, as you're saying, then we realize, oh, like people following this, this pathway, like there really isn't much hope that's being drawn from it.

Speaker 3:

Totally. Yeah, I felt like I would lead to some hope and some connection, and I know it really it didn't, didn't. I mean, it did lead to some connection, to be honest. I ended up finding some friends who had chronic illness and chronic symptoms and even though, um it, yeah, it was a big support I'm still really good friends with those people and and they've also found the mind body but it wasn't actually helping. It was taking the edge off things and I was feeling less lonely but nothing was helping and I still had this really severe IBS as well and I really went down when I stopped drinking and stopped taking drugs and that whole scene.

Speaker 3:

I also really went down the route of the sugar-free, gluten-free, the candida diet. I thought, oh, this lady said that if I do this really strict diet for six months, the candida goes and then everything's going to be sorted. So I did that and that went on for like over six years where I was, uh, more and more terrified of gluten and sugar and and oils and I would read more about all these different things and it got to a point where there was hardly any food I could really eat without having a very real, distressing, disturbing flare-up of my ibs and fibromyalgia, insomnia, everything. So I was. I was really stuck.

Speaker 2:

yeah, it's not a. It's that avoidance cycle that we know so well and anyone who's had any type of chronic symptom. That's where we go to. It's like let's just avoid anything and everything that triggers us. I relate to you there. I wasn't on this specific diet, but I was gluten-free for a period of time. I was eating paleo for a period of time and, as you're kind of explaining, the problem is then now we have all these triggers that we're fearing and the next time we have the trigger, it's like the symptoms are even worse, almost.

Speaker 3:

Totally. I know we talked about this before, but you just end up boxed into this corner where you're terrified. I was just terrified of everything. And so eventually I was 32 years old, I had to stop working and apply for disability and I was living in my parents' spare room and it was really, really dark. I was suicidal. I knew that I wouldn't act on those thoughts but I was like dude, like I've done everything that everyone has suggested to me. I've even, like you know, achieved and went to school and got, you know, did well in school now, and I've been to every doctor across the globe australia, england, ireland, the top consultants, the most out there, hippie alternative people, psychiatrists, gynecologists, like anyone. I've been to them all and I'm lucky, I'm in a privileged position that I was able to have all that access. Psychoanalysis one of the best like psychoanalysis, and here I am. I'm sicker than ever.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it was like scary and so in this place of you know what I think is so common for for people listening where they get to right, where, like, just mentally and physically, things just worsen and worsen, no matter what specialist, what provider we see, what treatment we try. And so I know you came to a mind-body approach. Was that around this period of time or was that a little bit later on?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it was actually, and there was a shift. Just before I found the MindBody Connection. I remember my dad. He was driving me just before I ended up on disability and everything. He was driving me to my. I was just about able to hold down like a part-time job in a little clothing boutique that I loved and he would have. They would have to drive me there. So he was driving me there and he was explaining to me his night out before and he's like a man in his 60s and he'd been on a work night out and he was saying they went for dinner. This cool place described me the food. Then they went to this cool bar and there was great music and he was dancing and he ended up staying out a bit later.

Speaker 3:

And I'm like thinking to myself the, the controlled, rigid world that I was living in, and I remember in that moment just saying I don't want to live like this anymore. I want some freedom. I want to be able to, like walk into a restaurant and order food. I want to be able to, like just last minute, decide to stay out late at a bar or whatever. And I remember just having a shift in my brain, whereas before that shift I was looking for, like something to blame that I could then control and or eliminate.

Speaker 3:

It was all like this kind of system, and I just remember having this little shift in my energy. I was like no, I want to feel free. It wasn't even like I want to be fixed. I was like I want to feel free. And so then it was probably about a year later, after a very, very difficult year, my friend sent me like this ad on Instagram and it was the MindBodyConnection, a video explaining this pain science, and it just made complete sense to me so that's kind of how you kind of led to that, that starting place.

Speaker 2:

You kind of have this moment, this, this moment after listening to your dad, where it's just so clear, like I want this, I want the freedom. And I think that's such a a key moment because I think when we have chronic pain, chronic symptoms, whatever's taking place to us, the dream sometimes in our mind is you know, I want this gone. Like I want the pain, the IBS, the symptom gone. But I think sometimes we lose sight of why we want it gone and you have this aha moment where it's like I want the freedom, like this is, this is, I want to be able to go and do these things. You know what? It seems like everyone else is going and doing and then it starts with, uh, an instagram ad. This is the starting place. So how did it build from there after seeing this instagram ad?

Speaker 3:

yeah, yeah, so I just want to yeah, thanks for reflecting that why I always get my clients to do that as well, and and say this on Instagram to people as well to to focus on what you do want, how you do want to feel. And everyone always says they want to feel peace and they want to feel free, and in my workshops they say that too. And so I listened to. It was like Dr Schubiner, dr Strax and these guys and they were doctors and they were describing the pain, science and how you know the nervous system and I and I had I loved biology, so I and I studied anatomy and physiology before, so just the information really landed very like immediately with me.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, and then so I, I have an obsessive and addictive tendencies and personalities and when that's channeled in the right direction, it can go really well for me. So I like brought all that energy and enthusiasm and I I bought like every book and I, from the minute I woke up in the morning, I listened to these talks. I found Dr Sarno, like old talks by Dr Sarno on YouTube. So the minute I woke up in the morning, I like plugged in, I'm like I'm retraining my brain, I would listen and read and I was, um, whatever I was doing, cleaning, like everything, there was an like a little pod in my ear. Just listening to this new information. I decided I was only allowing this new information in.

Speaker 2:

So you really dove into it in like a pretty major way which I relate to and probably lots of people relate to, and I like what you said there, where that addictive, obsessive kind of tendencies which I definitely have myself as well you know they can sink us real quick, but if they're channeled in the right way, to the right level, they can be a really useful quality as well.

Speaker 3:

Totally they really can. So I let all this information in because I had spent a lifetime being hurt, being told I was complicated with a long list of symptoms, since I was a young child, that were incurable and complicated and unexplainable. So then these guys were now saying basically that I didn't have that, I wasn't a mystery, I wasn't complicated it's not that complicated that I and how I interpreted it anyway that instead of having a list of like 30 mysterious symptoms, I only had one problem. It was a dysregulated nervous system because of the stress that was being generated and I was like I can figure out how to sort that out. Let's go yeah, so yeah I did. Then I walked, so I so that relief, the new information there's, everything was bringing down the relief. I wasn't feeling like a big, such a big burden, the weight I've been carrying around, and then I started to feel kind of good Within a few weeks.

Speaker 3:

Obviously, all kinds of stuff was still going on for me, but I just felt this lightness come in. So I felt spontaneously having a bit of fun with breaking free from my restrictive diets. So I went to my local shop and I love to be like a bit outrageous and bringing humor into things. Humor is such good medicine. So I didn't just like gradually start eating like whole seed bread again.

Speaker 3:

I walked into the shop and got guinness and mars bars, ice creams, and I um, and I didn't eat them all or drink them all in the one sitting, but yeah, I had some and there was like uh, I didn't have any symptoms and then so I continued on and went called into a friend's house that a few friends were gathered for a birthday party and they had made a vegetarian lasagna. And I walked in and I just took out some more Mars bars that, eating them, took out a Guinness drink in front of everyone. Everyone's like wow, like they hadn't seen me eat in years, and I'm like I'll make sure I have a plate of that lasagna and everyone's like wow'll make sure I have a plate of that lasagna and everyone's like what's going on.

Speaker 3:

So for me, just bringing that playfulness and humor into breaking through that symptom, and that night I slept and I didn't have IBS symptoms. Now I have to say, the symptoms morphed. I ended up, like you know, my anxiety got worse and there was all these other things that happened.

Speaker 3:

I wasn't just like some miracle, uh, you know, but it was still a miracle for me and and and everything had shifted. Everything had shifted within me and I knew I just had this one thing now to focus on and figure out. And it's not like it's been an easy journey to break, like you know, to change all these different patterns that have been generating such extreme stress within me. It's been a journey, but I've only had this one thing to focus on, and and it's empowering to hear that you're you're not broken and complicated, weird and different and dismissed.

Speaker 2:

So I guess I felt empowered, finding the mind-body connection, yeah, which I think is such an an well, there's so much in what you just said there. I think, first off, it's it's such an added benefit when people can get to that empowered feeling because, because I think for so long most of us we've had these chronic symptoms and we just literally thought there was nothing we could do personally, because it's like we're fully reliant on the medical system, on doctors, on specialists, on physical practitioners, like we're fully reliant on their advice, their you know exercises or practices or medicine or whatever it is, and I think that's a that's a great feeling, that that people want to cultivate. It's hard to I don't want people listening and trying to force that but you want to cultivate that feeling of you know it can be empowering, a little little bit scary I think it's also normal to be like scary of like, oh yeah, this is like a personal thing, like I gotta like change things, but I think there's an empowerment in that and it's clear that the education, like really diving into the videos, into podcasts, into the really learning about it, created that empowering feel and so much. So I love your confidence, like, so, so feeling so empowered and confident. You just, you know, you just start going and eating some Mars bars and vegetarian lasagna and really diving into some of that, and that does take place.

Speaker 2:

I think you know some people need the more gradual feel to build that confidence. But you had such confidence and empowerment to go and to do that and I like what you said, like I think it's so important to know it's not like one moment and I was healed. It was a very vital moment. I could see the joy in your face, even sharing it there, like it's a very key moment in the healing but it's, it's all these little moments that start to add up, to start to shift, uh, to start to change things, and so I know the listeners are probably interested outside of you know the education and um and the literature and and obviously doing some exposure work with all these triggers. Were there other practices or areas that you focused on that you found were really beneficial in your healing process, as it kind of developed?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, do you know what? But I just think that compassion and conflict resolution have been such pillars they're pillars in my own toolbox that I was being generated within me just really just came from so many misunderstandings about myself. You know, being scared to speak up or you know, I was like achieving all these things in school that maybe I didn't really necessarily know if I wanted to do or not. I was just like just kind of blindly going to tick these boxes and and feeling, yeah, like disempowered in relationships, not knowing how to be like authentic or speak up, and that just caused causing me to have so many repressed emotions and and then, even with the like your body, like I just was so angry with my body and angry with the doctors and angry with like, um, you know, felt so betrayed by the symptoms and there's so much um, there's so much uh, rigidity as well. You know, with that I had been living in. So, yeah, like this softening into myself and compassion and even though I guess that can feel like kind of vague when you just want like some like really good, like tool, specific tool, and and I do have a specific tool I use for compassion there's the oh, oh, no prayer. It's this very simple mantra, um, but the self-compassion is such a journey and um, it's just so many layers and I'm still.

Speaker 3:

I'm still finding places where I have been scared to speak up, and now you know, or use boundaries, I'm still finding all these little nooks and crannies and it's still scary, still terrifying. When I find another little nook and cranny, I'm like what? And then it comes out and it's, it's still terrifying, but now I just know, I have the experience. I know, when I move through these like wounds or patterns or whatever you want to call them, I know what's on the other side. I do know that I get feel lighter and freer and more at peace, and I feel that in my body and life around me also.

Speaker 2:

I really appreciate you sharing all that because I think, yeah, that's the idea Like some people want, like a very specific strategy. They want this like prescription of like what are the three things I need to do every day? That I'll do for three months and this will shift. But I think there's nuance to this, like the way you're talking about it is, you know, you, you learn to cope in the world for so many years a certain way, and you clearly identified, okay, some of these ways that I was coping and being in the world were perpetuating everything, and so I think that's the the idea and you know you have have some ideas around how people can start to cultivate compassion. But it is a journey.

Speaker 2:

As you talk about so many of us. We're learning how to be authentic in the world again. We're learning how to have a voice and to express emotions so we're not pushing it down. We're learning how to have a sense of compassion and kindness for ourselves as we move forward in life. And that's the work you know I always tell people that keeps going, even after you're pain or symptom free, like to maintain that healing, like some of that work of learning to be in the world and to be authentic and feel safe is so vital for recovery and we have to maintain that.

Speaker 2:

And I also appreciate what you said there, that it's still scary. I find that as well. Where I could be such a people pleaser, that's something that I had to really work on. But even in certain environments, all of a sudden I'll be like oh yeah, like I'm feeling like terrified to express my emotion to this person right now, and I've worked on this for a decade, like it. Just it is scary and it takes a lot of consistent awareness and practice to shift the way that we approach life and we are in life.

Speaker 3:

Definitely and like some, uh, these symptoms, they they have like layers attached to them and parts of us like these are like coping mechanisms. We learn to be in a world and that served us for that time. And um, so these, some of these symptoms, um, you know, our mind has a timeline. It's like it's like three months, two years, how long? How long is it going to take? Six weeks, like, how long do I do this for?

Speaker 3:

But our mind creates timelines, but our, you know, those layers, those parts of us, those inner child parts like, um, you know there's just layers and I know for myself it can be frustrating when you want something to be resolved now you've got life to live, you've got things to do, whatever, and I know just so, know that and um, but what I've really come to realize is, um, these things, they have their own timeline. That's why they having this just compassion, some whatever compassionate based practice feels, resonates with you. I like the mantra, because it's just so easy and accessible whatever, um, I just feel is going to be your go-to, because it's going to help soften and ease, um, that tension around like wanting things to change, because some things just have their own kind of timeline, I feel, and um finding a way that you can find peace and ease.

Speaker 2:

Whatever tools work for you that can help you find peace and ease and compassion along the way is gonna, it's gonna help yeah, well, I I really do appreciate you spending the time and and you know, and just that openness to be vulnerable, sharing you know your story and and what you went through and you and how the healing occurred for you. I want to give a little time at the end here just so you can share a bit about your work, services, offerings that you have and, for anyone listening, I'll also put all your links down below in the description, but can you share a little bit about your work and what that looks like?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, so I mostly work with sensitive women. They seem to be drawn to my message. I'm an extremely highly sensitive person myself and, yeah, I have group programs. I work one-to-one with clients. I have some self-paced programs, but if you want to go over to my website, you can check those things out. I also have a free health audit call If you want to. If you like resonate with me and you want to connect and chat, please do. You can use the link to book in a chat and we can talk about what kind of tailored process will work for you.

Speaker 3:

I'm obsessed with getting people women back to like, living authentically and living free and, you know, back to work or back to their passion. But when I do my market research, a lot of people don't say they don't actually care about work and they just want to feel peace. So I'm always trying to get people back to life and back to like work or reality and they're like no, they just want to feel peace and they want to feel free. So I really get that, because that was my big aha as well. I just want to feel free. It's so simple. I didn't want anything big and grandiose, I just wanted to be able to walk into a bar and order some fish and chips and feel like that was my choice to make.

Speaker 2:

Yeah Well, again, I appreciate so much you coming on the podcast and sharing everyone what you've gone through and the work that you do. Again, I'll put all your links down below for people that are interested. So thank you everyone for listening and I'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 1:

Thanks for listening. For more free content, check out the links for our YouTube channel, instagram and Facebook accounts in the episode description.

Speaker 2:

We wish you all healing.