What does a healthy masculine look like? +how does he show up in a relationship w/ guest Justin Tristao

In this week's episode we dive into the essential qualities that define a man's healthy masculinity and its intricate connection to romantic relationships. 

Joining me is Justin Tristao, a transformative coach specializing in guiding both women and men toward profound self-awareness and healing. He graciously shares his personal journey of transformation and how it has empowered him to assist countless others on their paths to healing and self-discovery. We trust you'll find inspiration and insight in this week's episode!


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we tend to hide behind the mask, right? It's kind of funny that we call it masculine because, you know, I think that there's a level of truth in the symbology of that word. It's like we hide behind a mask. Hey guys. Welcome to this week's episode. I have a very special guest today. His name is Justin Ciao. And he is a healthy. Masculinity. Breathwork facilitator transformation coach that helps so many people heal from the inside out he also helps many women as well and i am so honored to have him on this week's podcast and i cannot wait to share this episode with you guys let's jump right in Thank you for jumping on the self mastery with Maria podcast. I'm so excited to have you here. We connected on Instagram, which is usually how I connect with most of my guests, but I love your content. I love your work. It definitely resonated with me, especially coming from a male's perspective. So thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me on, Maria. I'm excited to drop in. Yeah. So, Justin, let's get started on how did you even get into this type of work? Yeah, it's so interesting. You know, I think that that's always an initial first question on these podcasts. And I think a lot of people wouldn't think this. Uh, when they view my content, cause I don't speak about it very often. Not that I'm ashamed of it or anything. It's just, it doesn't really merge inside of what I do now, but I'm actually very deeply involved inside of my business background. So I'm an entrepreneur by heart. When I was about 19, I ended up getting my real estate license. I didn't go the school route because I had always been, uh, school was never my sort of forte. So I always knew that I wanted to be self employed. I wanted to make my own hours. Cause I didn't want. Someone to tell me when to do something, how to do it. And I want it to be, yeah, that, that level of freedom has always been important to me. So I got into the real estate industry at the age of 1920, I was working at a restaurant serving tables, and that was where my sort of main income was coming in as I slowly began to merge into the real estate industry. And the reason why I'm sharing the story is because, you know, at that time and at that age, I was following a lot of business influencers per se. And as a young man around 20 years old, you're sort of highly influenced by these other men that are sometimes highly successful or. are put up on this pedestal with the nice cars and the money, the watches, the influence, the power. And I think a lot of men are subconsciously, um, conditioned to think that that is success or that will bring them fulfillment or that will bring them what they seek inside that yearning to express themselves at the fullest potential. And what I found out was long story short, I began to sort of climb up that ladder of success, uh, externally in finances, so on and so forth. And by the age of 22, 23, As I was succeeding at a high level and bringing in a fair amount of money when it comes down to, or at least compared to my age, I was making a great amount of money. And there just came a time where this. Yeah, this unease was beginning to emerge inside of my body and my soul, one can say. And that began to turn into anxiety and I started to experience, you know, things like depression. I started to begin to contemplate my life and why was I feeling these things? Why did I feel so uneasy when, you know, I thought that the money, the success, the power, the quote unquote power was going to bring me what I. sought after inside. So I sort of reached this pinnacle in my life, which I think a lot of people nowadays are, are either have reached and, or are reaching and begin to realize that that's not what they truly seek. And it was in that moment that I began to ask the bigger questions, like, what is my real purpose? Why am I here? And if I am here. What am I really supposed to do if these material things aren't making me happy? If they're really not making me fall in love with life, then what is it? And I think it's in that moment that most people turn to what I would call like a spiritual, a sense, a scent, right? So the same energy that I focused on succeeding in real estate, I began to sort of focus that on the inner planes of my soul, of my spirit, of my heart, of my body. I began to take care of myself. I began to flex my awareness muscle and begin to become conscious. Of my unconscious patterns. And it was in those moments that the teachers began to appear the books, the information, the wisdom, the knowledge. And I began to study with, I mean, every world religion. I began to study with, um, different profits and, you know, just, just people that carried what I feel to be a wisdom stream that was calling me deeper into that and different modalities and tools begin to present themselves into my life. And. You know, I began to awaken to this greater reality that I never had access to in those times, uh, as a young man. And it was everything that I had been seeking. And instead of looking for the love, the fulfillment and the happiness in materialistic items or other people or places or things, I began to find that deeply inside of myself. And I find that when someone's capable of actually achieving that or receiving that or stepping into that. Then, uh, your life can never be the same and, uh, that's kind of led me to where I'm at now. I love that. I love every part of that. And the journey of transformation, the inner journey of transformation is one that I don't feel like a lot of people will ever get to. And that makes me a little sad. And I think we all have to have that aha moment and it sounds like for you it was depression and anxiety. For me, it was the same. I was, I kind of got sick of my own stuff. I was so sick of being. Depressed and anxious and over drinking at the time. I was drinking excessively because I was so unhappy with my life and it takes those moments. I was like, I guess there are some people will call it like. Um, I can't think now. Yeah, like I call it the dark night of the soul. Like dark. Yeah. This, this catastrophic time in your life. Life altering event. I can't think of the word right now, but it's gonna come to me eventually. But when we have those moments, those are the shifting moments and we got to decide what to do with that. And I love that you took ownership of your life and you decided. Well, I want more and like you said, the universe, God, whatever people believe in, they start presenting things to you when you want more, when you want a different level of life, when you want to be purpose driven, it all changes. And it becoming healthy from inside doesn't happen overnight. And I think that's something you could probably speak on as well is that it's a journey and it's a forever journey. And it doesn't happen so quickly. And one thing I do enjoy about your content is that as a man in this era, and yes, where a lot of people are shifting, we are getting more aware, we are becoming more in tune with our emotions and being highly in tune with just ourselves in general. But for men, I do believe that they still struggle with this a lot. Can you talk a little bit about why you think it is that men struggle with this inner work? I guess you can say, yeah, beautiful. Thank you for sharing what you shared. Well said and. I can only speak from personal perspective in my own personal journey. At that time, I was highly successful per se. Like I had everything that every, every man would want, uh, in every sense per se, I had access to anything that I needed, um, full spectrum without going into details and at that time. Inside, like my, my friends, my family, the people that were surrounding me, my colleagues, everyone was looking up to me, but inside I literally felt like I was dead, you know, and if, if you were to talk to anyone that surrounded me in that time, they would say, I would have no clue that Justin was experiencing that. And I think that when you look at people like maybe Anthony Bourdain or these other individuals that are sort of in the limelight. You know, you look at those people and they had highly successful lives that people looked up to, other men looked up to, and there's other examples of other men that were experiencing these things. The reason why I bring this up is, you know, we tend to hide behind the mask, right? It's kind of funny that we call it masculine because, you know, I think that there's a level of truth in the symbology of that word. It's like we hide behind a mask. And what I was doing, personally, I don't know about other men, uh, I've worked with hundreds of men at this point, so I kind of do know, but with all due respect, my journey was I was hiding behind that mask. And what I found to be true was why I was experiencing the anxiety and the depression was because I wasn't allowing anyone else to see me. And more importantly, I wasn't allowing myself to see myself. There was a deep dishonesty and fear that to be portrayed to be weak. was kind of almost a death of sort in, in a way, and I feel like life just brought me so deeply to my knees that I had no other choice but to surrender my will to a greater will that is beyond me and also inside of me. And I think that that's what most men will have to be initiated into. This is where sort of the Eastern philosophy comes into play. It's like we understood that young men needed to be initiated into some type of a, a catastrophe that brought him so deeply to his edge that he was humbled enough to remember the sacredness of life. And this is the initiation into the feminine, not a woman, the initiation into a feminine, the feminine in general. And, feminine qualities are that of vulnerability. Uh, feminine qualities are that of. Uh, surrender, trust, and I think that a lot of men simply have not been able to cultivate those things because of a plethora, a number of things, uh, in our current society. And I am blessed every single day and I give thanks every single day that, that God put me through those things. Life put me through those things so that I had the opportunity to begin to look at myself And my own pain and my own suffering and, uh, you know, that brought me to my knees and I had no other choice but to see the sacredness of life inside of everyone. Because I think anyone that has reached that level of, uh, suffering, uh, there's a, there's an opening of the heart that begins to transpire. And. When your heart is open, it's very hard not to be able to allow your truth, your vulnerability, your love to pour forward into the world, into other women, into children, into your purpose. And I think that that's ultimately what's, what's needed and necessary. And I think men struggle with that because they haven't truly been brought to their knees. And they think that they're just on this pedestal. I thought I was there when I was succeeding. So I think that that's a big, a big thing in regards to what you're asking. love that you brought up the feminine being an energy and not having to relate to the actual sex or gender of somebody. Because I think when men think I have feminine energy, that's, that's not okay. I don't want to be a feminine woman, right? I'm a masculine man. And it's not, it's being able to hold that duality of both because being a woman in business, which I've been in business and sales, my whole adult life, I have to be in my masculine a lot. But when it comes to my relationships, especially romantic relationships, I'm in one now. I've learned that my feminine energy is what I need to be tapping into and it did take a lot of healing my feminine because I was so much more my masculine in the past. And I love being able to hold the duality and I love that you spoke about that because it doesn't mean that we have to be one or the other. It doesn't make me manly if I'm in my masculine, you know, more than my, my feminine is learning to hold both of those in a beautiful way. So other than being vulnerable and maybe having those pivotal moments that you think men need to come down get on their knees and like, maybe it's like a rock bottom was the word that I was trying to find earlier, a rock bottom of some sort. Is there a way that a man can maybe transition in a less painful way that you've seen maybe through your breath work and the things that you do with clients? I'm happy that you brought up breathwork because my mind was going to go somewhere else. I really do feel I'm interested in individual awakening. You know, people that meet me may not see that inside of my content, but you know, we need to begin to transition from an energy of victimhood to freedom and any gender. I know we're speaking about men specifically, but any gender in general needs to begin to realize that it's only when you begin to look at yourself and your patterns and the way that you think. Think, feel, and, and, uh, act in your life. You need to begin to take account and sort of stalk the shadow of your life because we all have patterns that are no longer serving us. So I think the less painful way of doing that is utilizing tools like breathwork, being conscious and aware of your breath, bringing more presence into your life. I think a lot of men get caught up in the, the action kind of like continuously just being on the go, which was me in my business. I mean, I was working. 16 hour days, Monday through Sunday, I had no time or energy to be present with my thoughts, feelings and emotions. I mean, that just wasn't a thing for me, because I was never taught that. Um, but I think that that's, you know, to be able to be present with your life and to find that balance is probably crucial because, you know, men weren't just made to be these, these fucking robots, to just. Provide and provide and provide and provide. That's only one aspect of of his life. That's only one archetype that he can drop into and, um, Yeah, I love this. There's, there's this book that I love. It's, it's called King Lover, King Lover Warrior Magician. Uh, there, there, that may not be the exact order, but these are great archetypes that men can attune to, you know, like the king is that, that ability to be able to act. In accordance to this sort of greater purpose and lead others in that process, uh, the warriors, this capacity to be able to be strong and to show up and to stand for what's just and true. Uh, the, the, the lover is what I feel like a lot of men are missing nowadays, which is that connection to their own feminine, you know, connection to their own emotions, connection to their own feelings, connection to, to how they're being connection to, to others. Right. And then there's the magician, which is more of this connection to the whole understanding that there's something greater that's moving you. And I think that that's a full spectrum of the understanding of, of kind of like these masculine archetypes that men can attune to. But to go back to your question, uh, to be, to begin to become conscious and aware of your unconscious programs is one of the greatest ways that a man can begin to. Create that change and transformation that maybe other people are reflecting back to them. In most cases, potentially a woman to begin to sort of shift his life. In many ways, I hope that that answers your question. Yeah, absolutely didn't. I love that you mentioned women kind of bringing that up to light for men because I do believe in my own experience in the past, I've been married, divorced. When there's a shift in one person in a relationship dynamic between a male and a woman, if a woman is growing and she's working on her own shadows and is working on her healing and the male isn't, I think it will trigger a lot in them. And it takes a really conscious man to be able to have that awareness, not feel attacked and learn that. We're all human and I know you mentioned the victimhood mentality and we were never taught and those two things stood out to me because I preach this on almost all my content. We were never taught a lot of things, especially when it comes to emotions. But we cannot be a victim of that. We cannot just reside with, Oh, well, I was never taught. I, I didn't know any better. I don't know any better, but we can choose better, right? We can learn better. We can, how we have those tools now, and it is just as easy as following the right people on Instagram. That's going to help you have more self awareness, right? The books that you were saying, the reading and, To touch on romantic relationships, because this is something that not only am I going through in my own journey now with my relationship, but I love the content that you post about men showing up and you, you called it the lover and how does a lover in his now feminine vulnerability, how does he show up to a feminine woman and an energy in that sense, in a romantic relationship? Well, I think that you're approaching that from multiple different angles, but I'll approach it from more of the lover perspective. I really do feel that I work with a lot of women that come to me that feel that their man is lacking that, that lover archetype. And I think that tends to lead to a thread that lacks, passion and or true intimacy inside of a relationship. So a lot of women lack that intimacy that they see to be seen, to be felt, to be heard, to be penetrated by his presence is what I like to say. So I feel like one of the greatest gifts a man can cultivate in these times is that presence. Um, and I think that the reason why men struggle to do that is a plethora of reasons and I'm very empathetic because the society that we live in now, it's like, how, how do you want a man to provide for you and kind of live up to this, you know, just like the basic necessities and needs for us. paying for the house, doing these things. I'm empathetic to that process, but I think that there's a way for a man to take care of those things to live in his purpose, but to also remain very present in his romantic relationship with a woman. And I think that what men have a tendency to do is get so caught up in their head that they lose connection to their heart, right? Like they, they, they get so caught up in their head that they lose connection to their heart. And that was me. For a very long time. And life is just so much more rich. It's so much more sweet. Like I can just picture like, uh, like this is, this is a little bit poetic, but it's just like honey melting from your heart into your body. It's just like, why wouldn't you want to taste that? And in fact, most likely the woman on the other side is going to want to taste that from you. And I think that that level of presence can only be cultivated if he has the capacity to sit with himself. And if he's able to sit with himself and, and be aware and conscious of his emotions and be aware and conscious of when he's on present, then you, the woman on the other side begins to feel that. And that translates into the bedroom. That translates into your everyday life. And there's a lot less conflict inside of a romantic relationship when a man has that level of presence. It's very penetrative because I feel like that's a full spectrum man. He can hold a woman's emotions. If you can't hold your own fucking emotions, how are you gonna hold the emotions of a woman that's like an ocean? I mean, it's wild, right? And I think that that's the greatest test for a man is like... How are you going to, how are you going to hold her when she's swaying back and forth? Are you going to keep looking at your phone? Are you going to keep getting distracted by these things when she's right there present with you? And I think that if a man does that, that's when this beautiful cyclical dance begins to occur because she, her passion in that wildness begins to light up his body and bring him more radiance, more vitality, more energy to serve. And that's really like. It's a, it's sort of a sexual dance, if you will. You know, you can feel that energy beginning to circulate amongst a romantic relationship. And I think that that's what most women seek is to feel that dance, to feel that presence and to feel that he's there with her. I love that you called it a dance because it is a give or take, right? There's going to be times that the woman needs to give a little more and, or the man needs to give more because to be honest, and in my early twenties, I was toxic in a lot of ways. And I would have seen a more vulnerable man as. Less of a man, you know, as big as that sounds, there's a younger version of me that would have never understood this concept, but now it's completely necessary. Like, I know I cannot be with somebody that's not emotionally intelligent, I know women, like I said, we do have that mentality that we think men are supposed to provide, be more masculine. And when we maybe attract men that are not so much in their masculine or maybe are more in touch with their feelings. We can shun them or push them away or not allow them to shine bright, you know, not allow them to become that honey and have that soft heart because we kind of push them back into that masculine energy. What are some ways that a healthy feminine can help a man stay in his healthy masculine and bring out that feminine side of him as well? That's powerful. Well, first and foremost, I appreciate you sharing what you shared because I don't think a lot of women actually own up to the fact of that being present. And it's so funny because I feel like I've been, I used to be blinded for many years because I've been sort of pro feminine on my content for four plus years. And I've really, um. I've been delusional on the fact that there's a toxic femininity that is present on this planet. And it's actually quite, I'm extreme, but it's, it's sickening to me. Same sickness that was inside of me, by the way, as a toxic masculine. But I'm so happy that you shared that because I think that it's that cyclical nature that keeps us distrusting each other as genders. This is like the, the old saying of the battle of the sexes. It's like women. Women that were like you prior literally stop men from Softening into that I don't like using the word softening because that throws men off but it it keeps men from from not dropping into that essence that they crave and I've seen some horrific things in these last few months as I've over opened my eyes to how women are young women are beginning to Struggle with those things that you spoke about and I think it's such an important topic so I think that needs to be taken into consideration and owned up to and taken responsibility for inside of Many young women that are now growing up and adults So that's the first thing and I think that a woman that has already sort of matured Uh, there was a level of maturation, which is kind of what you're sharing in your own personal process. She's already gone through an awakening of some sort and softened into her own nature, began to understand herself, practice level of self love and kind of, uh, I just, maturity is probably the best word, you know, because, because a mature woman wouldn't play those games. Right. Um, I think what a man craves is. The capacity to feel supported, you know, it's like, it's very simple. Like a lot of men just love simplicity. I don't think that we need a lot necessarily. Um, but I think to feel supported inside of that process is important. But ultimately I really do feel that there's not a lot that a woman can do to allow a man to open up to that. Expression that they may seek. And I know that sounds very painful to receive, but you know, I think, I think that there's something that needs to occur inside of his own life that then opens him up to that expression. I always say like, there's, there's nothing that my mom or any other woman could have done for me in those moments to allow me to experience what I experienced. You know, it had to have come from a direct life experience. I don't know if this is true or not. This can be inaccurate or it can fall short. So forgive me. Uh, this doesn't have to apply to everyone. I just knew that there was nothing that anyone else could have done for me. Um, and this is why I think a lot of men's group comes into play. Men's work, surrounding yourself with other brothers that actually give them their permission. Oh shit. Like this guy, Justin, he's not this weak guy. Like he's, he's, he, there's a balance to him. Like he's. He's able to open his heart up, but he's still successful in business. He's still, his relationships are thriving. He's not this weak man. Like, you know, I think that if you are the one that gives yourself permission to be that, then other men will see that and then emulate you. So I think a lot of men, and that's what happened to me in my own journey as well. It's like, I began to meet strong men. That we're also in tune with their emotions, running successful businesses, having thriving relationships, very intelligent, very wise. And I think that that gave me a subtle permission, like, Oh man, there's other men that are doing this and there's a reference point and there's some, there's a path that I can emulate. And my prayer is that I can continue to be that for other men. Um, and I pray that other men that are on that precipice of that breakthrough or, or that are going through an internal process, step into that. Sort of, uh, maturation in their own regard, because I think that's really what creates the transformation. I love that you share that, because it is, we all need that one person, and you never know who it's going to be. Sometimes it's a combination of people, right? It's a lot of people that come into your life that give you that permission to take that step forward and be like, Okay, I'm not on this journey alone. I am not, especially for a man. Hearing you say this out loud, that makes a lot of sense as women. We sometimes look for men to save us and help us or our fathers or friends, but for a man, I can see how it could be a very driven, like one person driven just by themselves, having that awakening. And that also makes, I mean, ladies, if you're listening to this. Justin just kind of brought up a good point. You'll never be able to save a man that's not willing to save himself. I think a lot of us get into these fixer uppers and I joke about it. I've talked about it on my podcast, my build a man workshop. I had that open for a while and I had to close it down because we will as women find men that we feel like has potential to try to fix them because we don't want to look inside and fix ourselves. We don't want to do the inner work first. So it's easier as women and nurturing souls because that's what the feminine is, right? We want to take care, but we have to give that to ourselves first. So I love that you gave me that male perspective completely shifted a lot of things that I saw because it's so hard and I catch myself in this relationship and I don't know if you've had this issue in the past with dating or anything, but in this healthy relationship I'm in in the past, like I said, I've tried fixing and working and pushing. It's hard for me to just. Love that person without wanting to do any of that. I wouldn't say hard. It's more of a, like, I have to think about it because my nature is. Well, you can do this. This is how we can fix it. Well, this is what you should do. And that is not the feminine energy that I want to embody. And that's not the feminine energy that I feel like anyone should come into in a relationship because we can't mother our partners or the reverse father our partners. If you're a man, we both have to be adults and come into a relationship beautifully and just kind of sit back and watch the other person go through their journey. As long as they're not pulling you down out of your journey and your Awakening, right? And your, your growth. But have you found that to be difficult? Maybe not your own journey, but have you seen that to be difficult in other people's journeys? Yeah, I mean, you're touching on very powerful points and I appreciate you. It speaks to your level of maturity in your own personal process, which is rare. So I commend you. And then secondly, I think you're speaking to a healthy relationship. What I find a lot of women approach me when they're in an unhealthy relationship. Right? Seeking to arrive at that healthy relationship. And I think that those qualities that you just shared are important when there's a healthy relationship and a man that provides you a safe space for that. Do not be surrendering and sort of stepping into that feminine energy when you're in a relationship that doesn't feel, uh, in alignment and or is hindering your internal growth. Uh, and this is where, you know, I began to walk a fine line or you begin to approach a gray area because there's so many complexities to relationships and it varies. From a relationship to relationship, but you know, the, the main relationship that I've seen in my life is my mother and father's and my mother has tried to love my father to death and it's only led her to what I feel to believe greater and greater sickness inside of her body and lack of full expression inside of her life because she has stayed in that nurturing spirit, which I don't feel as if it's true nurture. It's actually self harm and um, yeah. Like, it just, it's, it's self obsession with, with not getting out of these patterns. So I think it's important to share with what you just shared that, you know, you can't love someone and heal them just from pure love. Like I just, I just, I would love to think that that's true. Um, but I really do feel it's important to note that the more that you continue to cultivate that relationship with self, the more that you'll continue to attract the right partners in your life, you know, and I think that that's why the individual awakening process is so important. Um, you know, I haven't been in any true romantic relationship and over the past few years, I've really been focused internally in myself. I've been celibate for about four years. I think going on five, I've never really tracked it, but. You know, like that was an intentional process for me to begin to cultivate a greater relationship with myself, the way that I respond, the way that I feel. Um, and I think that the more that you're able to eat in a woman's shoes, the more that you're able to cultivate that self love and self respect and self worth and self confidence, you will stop attracting those men that you were attracting prior. I mean, they'll just start. Like the, those, the games that maybe you used to fall into or the unhealthiness, the unhealthy patterns will begin to dissolve because you're continuing to elevate your vibration. You're going to continue to elevate the way that you respond and relate to life. And that'll enhance all relationships in your life. What was your question? Was that? I keep going on different threads. No, it was on how, you know, if you've noticed men and women kind of getting into that fixing, saving role. And I mean, you touched it with your mother and father. And I think those are relationships that are close to us that we see and we try not to. We usually emulate on, not on purpose, right? Subconsciously, but those are really good examples of what not to do sometimes, right? But no, that was beautiful. And I'm enjoying talking to you. I think we need more people like you and I appreciate your content so much and what you put out there, not only for women, but also most importantly for men, because for men, it is a lot harder, right? To be in touch with your emotions. So before we end the episode, I'd love to ask my guests two questions. And one of them is what would you tell your younger self? If you I guess, because you probably could tell them a lot of things. But what's one thing? Yeah. It's interesting. You know, I, I think I'm going to kind of play devil's advocate here. I wouldn't tell them anything, you know, I'm very, very comfortable with what I experienced in those times. And I, I, and I, and I left, I love to see life in this kind of divine perfection. Like, I really do feel like. If I didn't go through everything that I went through in those times, I would have never arrived to where I am. So why would I ever want to share something with a younger self when I've already experienced that? You know, like, I don't want to go too deep, but like, it's just like, once you let go of all those things, it's like you find beauty and peace and solace. And most importantly, grace inside of everything that you experience. So if you want to be radically transparent, I wouldn't tell him anything. I love that answer. It's probably the best answer I've gotten because I've asked this question a few times, but we usually feel like we have to, you know, we'll go back to the saving. We have to save our past self in some way. And I love your perspective. I wouldn't save him in any way because it got me to this point. So I love that. And touching on, because I have a lot of very successful people on here. I always like to ask this question. What does success mean to you now? Because like you said, it's changed and evolved for you. It's an open heart. I mean, we will begin to see that the new rich is going to be an open heart period. And I think that the new leaders that will emerge in the next 10 to 15 to 50 years will be leaders that know how to lead from their heart. The world that we're seeing is decaying. And since you're speaking directly to business, the structure and the foundation that business has been built on is completely hierarchical, AKA. Patriarchal. It's win, lose, win, lose. Someone's always winning and losing. And I think that the greatest thing anyone can do to succeed in their life is learn how to open their heart up. Now that may sound counterintuitive to what we're experiencing here in this planet right now, but I promise you, and it's been spoken of by many, many wise men and women that should be listened to, that our future Is love in our future will be in the hands and the hearts of those who know how to live from that place. So the ultimate success is being able to live with an open heart. If you think that you're going to continue to find what you're seeking inside of material things, then you're as lost as the next guy. And eventually you will arrive whether on your deathbed or at some time in the near future that you got it all wrong. You got it all wrong. And one of the greatest successful individuals that has walked this earth plane was on the, was on his deathbed, the most successful man in the last a hundred years. And the last thing he said was that he had it all wrong. He had everything. He had access to all the success that we've claimed in the West. And he says, I got it all wrong. If that doesn't speak anything to your heart and soul to reorient your life to a more greater direction, I don't know what will now. I'm not saying to not succeed or thrive inside of a business setting or create your own business and scale it. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, live with an open heart, create a great foundation, and then build from that place. But that can only happen when you begin to turn inwards and reorient your life to a greater direction. And I just feel like that's what life is asking us to do in these moments. I love it. That is so true. We close, we tend to close our hearts, especially when we feel... What we quote unquote, think are negative emotions or pain or suffering. And instead that's when we need to open our hearts the most. So I absolutely love that answer. And I've loved our conversation. I hope to stay connected with you. Keep doing the work you're doing. People need you in this world. So I appreciate it. Appreciate you as well. Thank you for having me on. Thank you, Justin.