Ever dreamt of elevating your disc golf game to the next level? In this episode, we share our incredible experiences at the Cascade Challenge, and explore the concept of Smarter Goals to help you achieve just that! Join us as we discuss the physical, mental, and technical aspects of disc golf performance, and share some valuable updates on upcoming events like the Throw Pink fundraiser and the Chief Kitsap Academy disc golf course installation, sponsored by the Paul McBeth Foundation.
We're excited to share stories of professional disc golfers visiting Washington, their amazing performances, and the impact they're making on the local disc golf community. Together, we delve into the world of SMARTER goals for disc golf improvement, focusing on creating goals that are specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and time-bound...
In our insightful conversation, we dive into evaluating progress, building processes, and implementing successful goal-setting strategies. We discuss the value of accountability, the Rule of 10,000, and the importance of deliberate practice in achieving success. Don't miss out on this chance to learn how to elevate your disc golf game and achieve your goals with intention. So grab your discs, and let's get started!
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To support this podcast or arrange for an interview please contact us at theintentionaldiscgolfer@gmail.com
Ever dreamt of elevating your disc golf game to the next level? In this episode, we share our incredible experiences at the Cascade Challenge, and explore the concept of Smarter Goals to help you achieve just that! Join us as we discuss the physical, mental, and technical aspects of disc golf performance, and share some valuable updates on upcoming events like the Throw Pink fundraiser and the Chief Kitsap Academy disc golf course installation, sponsored by the Paul McBeth Foundation.
We're excited to share stories of professional disc golfers visiting Washington, their amazing performances, and the impact they're making on the local disc golf community. Together, we delve into the world of SMARTER goals for disc golf improvement, focusing on creating goals that are specific, measurable, attainable, realistic, and time-bound...
In our insightful conversation, we dive into evaluating progress, building processes, and implementing successful goal-setting strategies. We discuss the value of accountability, the Rule of 10,000, and the importance of deliberate practice in achieving success. Don't miss out on this chance to learn how to elevate your disc golf game and achieve your goals with intention. So grab your discs, and let's get started!
Disc Golf Changes Lives <3
To support this podcast or arrange for an interview please contact us at theintentionaldiscgolfer@gmail.com
Mom Dad's making a disc golf podcast Music. Thank you for tuning in to the Intentional Disc Golf for Podcast. We're excited to have you join us on our disc golf journey. This podcast explores the physical, mental and technical aspects of disc golf performance. We will also be discussing tools and techniques to improve your disc golf game as we work on improving ours. Now here are your hosts, brandon and Jenny Soprinski.
Speaker 2:Music And thank you, as always, for listening to the Intentional Disc Golf for Podcast. I'm Brandon and I'm here with my host and wife, jenny. Hi Hi, hahaha.
Speaker 1:We're trying something different. We're doing this in the morning with coffee, instead of in the evening.
Speaker 2:Yes, it's kind of a different deal. So, oh, this is what Episode number six we're doing now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been a while. We've been pretty busy with our disc golf game.
Speaker 2:Pretty busy. We've been practicing a lot, trying to get in every day And as soon as we really get into it, we'll talk a little bit about our experiences at the Cascade Challenge this last weekend over in Shelton Springs. I had a good time. What about you?
Speaker 1:I'm still exhausted from it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we haven't quite caught up on sleep.
Speaker 1:I walked like 10 miles a day for three days in a row. It's like hiking Yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1:This is Jenny. I really want to thank Colin. He was a major sponsor in my first ever tournament, Sirens of the Springs, and he is an excellent person to work with. He was super accommodating, very willing to work with me. I have to say that the ladies at my tournament were very excited to get a Discrafter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're still hearing a lot of really good feedback about that tournament. I think one of the things we heard is that it set the bar pretty high for the ladies tournaments in the area.
Speaker 1:Which is a huge compliment, because the ladies tournaments are second to nine here in Washington.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. Definitely support more women getting involved in the sport of disc golf, for sure. And also, as always, if you appreciate what you're listening to, please like, subscribe, follow us, share, tell all of your friends. You can find us at Soprinsky Disc Golf on Facebook and now on Instagram. All one word Soprinsky Disc Golf. That is C-Z-U-P-R-Y-N-S-K-I Disc Golf, And that's where you can follow us and our family on our disc golfing adventures and journey. And, Jenny, how was you doing? How are you doing? How are you doing?
Speaker 1:today. You should also let us know if you see one of our intentional disc golfer podcast stickers Hashtag the intentional disc golfer. Send us a message and we'll send you one. Where are you going as an intentional disc golfer?
Speaker 2:Heck, yeah. Take a picture of that. Post it in the comments. Let us know where you saw it. We like hearing about the intentional disc golfer sightings. As far as that goes, intentional disc golfer sightings where can you find us next? Throw pink right.
Speaker 1:Hopefully dropping off kids and going to NAD, nad today. Oh, i'm so excited. My birthday is next weekend and this is going to be totally outdated by the time it goes on air.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:But my brother said he'd go disc golfing with us, so I'm super excited.
Speaker 2:That's a big deal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Grow the sport any way we can. So where you can find me and Jenny next is at the Throw Pink fundraiser at the Kitsap Fairgrounds. This should be the fun grounds.
Speaker 1:Put on by Allegra Archer.
Speaker 2:That's right, one of our resident pros, and that is June 17th of 2023. The next time that you'll be able to find us after that is at North Bend, at the South Fork NADGT Exclusive.
Speaker 1:Actually, let's back it up a little bit. June 12th is the soft opening of the Chief Kitsap Academy disc golf course. Thank you to the Paul McBeth Foundation for generously donating to have that course put in for the kiddos. They've been playing almost every day and looking forward to opening it up to the community just in time for school to end and the course to be open.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's some big news. I had the privilege, and with my company, to volunteer for the Paul McBeth Foundation, putting in that course A lot of hard work. The property is second to none. Jenny, can you tell us a little bit more about it?
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 2:Not really.
Speaker 1:No, the property is a former mansion. West Zone Academy used to be there. The Suquamish tribe purchased the property and the surrounding property of that area. They've been wanting to put in a disc golf course for a while. I was hired and they said hey, you wanted to put in a disc golf course. I managed to contact the right people. the West Zone Disc Golf Association put me in touch with the famous Paul Wright who we're going to have on our show here in a few weeks. He should just be getting back from Uganda working on the Paul McBeth Foundation course over there, super excited for that.
Speaker 2:Yep, the first installment of our Decoding the Course series. We have Paul Wright coming in as a course designer talking about how to take apart the course from backwards to forwards, and then we're going to have Jared Nesmith, another local pro, come in and talk about course management and how to dissect the course from the perspective of a player, all the way from amateur, all the way to professional. So we're really looking forward to those two interviews coming up.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say that it's a small world that meeting Paul Wright out there checking out the grounds for a chief kids up Academy. He's like I know you, I'm like what. He's like, yeah, you went to school with my daughter. I'm like, oh my God, you're my neighbor from growing up. So super small world. Here I am, years later getting into disc golf.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for those of you that don't know who Paul Wright is, he is a six time amateur world champion, so he's like the amateur level of Paul McBeth type of thing. So big deal. And now he's some big wig in the Paul McBeth foundation actually and he travels all over the world building courses for underserved communities. So keeping the good work up and growing the sport.
Speaker 1:Yeah, paul Wright. number three, two, two, nine zero.
Speaker 2:Here we go. We just got back from the Cascade challenge last week. That was exciting because it was the first disc golf pro tour event in Washington state And it just happened to be at one of our home courses of Shelton Springs there, jenny, how'd it go for you? What do you think?
Speaker 1:Oh, i just wanted to talk about some comments that I got from the players I was scorekeeping with. Hannah Hoon from Spokane was talking about how excited she is, that you know, hey, we always go to Oregon like Oregon's great. What about Washington? Idaho, montana So super excited, she was thrilled to have a Silver Series event here in Washington. And Andrew Marweed was talking about how beautiful it was, that it was a difficult course but not too difficult, you know, just the right level of challenge. And super excited to hopefully keep a Silver Series event, if not an elite series event, at Shelton Springs. So the pros that I was working with seemed to really enjoy the course.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we kind of did the Cheapskate route because we ended up volunteering for the course, for the event We did not do the Cheapskate route. No, we didn't. I put in a lot of hard work.
Speaker 1:I put in a lot of hard work to get the first women's series event there, and then we volunteered for the entire weekend of the cascade challenge.
Speaker 2:Well, cheap, like money wise, we spent a lot of money But we did do a lot of hard work to get into that. You know, jenny put on a fantastic tournament. That was kind of the proving grounds, the dry run, for the Silver Series event.
Speaker 1:And then the Shelton Springs open. I believe Mark Hill did that one.
Speaker 2:Yep, the Shelton Springs open, which was the week before. So that was a really cool game to play the course Right before the pros hit the scene And they were actually setting up all the signs and things as we were getting done with our second round. So it was weird playing. You felt kind of like a pro out there playing on that course because all the stuff was set up and people were running around checking it out. Every once in a while one of the pros would come up to your T-Box and watch you throw. It was an interesting experience, i'll tell you that. But if you haven't volunteered at one of these events, consider it, because it's an experience like no other And it's a better experience than having tickets. You work your butt off. You're running all over the place. However, like for the scorekeepers, you get to go around with the cards, you get to stand behind the T-Box, the players come up and talk to you And they'll sit down and have snacks with you and stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, it depends on the player and it depends on the day. I want to do a shout out there to you, UDisk, for being able to give us this opportunity to do the scoring and to keep the stats for the pros that are out there.
Speaker 2:And didn't UDisk also donate some subscriptions to the Chief Kits Out?
Speaker 1:Yes, i have a few subscriptions for UDisk donated to the school because the kids are like I said. They're going out and playing almost every day. It's gone from being the ooh. I'm not going to do that to. Hey, miss Jenny, i just pared the entire thing. It was like awesome. Still hunting for our first ace.
Speaker 2:That is awesome. Still in the hunt for the first ace, huh Yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't even know if we've had a birdie. Maybe we did.
Speaker 2:Who knows, who knows. But no, we got to pal around with the players a little bit. You need to stay quiet if you're scorekeeping unless they come up and talk to you, and a lot of them are very, very friendly. Everybody that I associated with was very, very friendly, very gracious that you're there always thanking the fans, and it was just. It was a really, really positive experience. And then there's some funny things too, like when the ice cream truck fired up during James Conrad's bogey putt. So that was hilarious. But Ricky Weisaki ended up winning the whole thing And Kat Merch on the women's side.
Speaker 1:Yep Man, Kat and Psy and the lady who was being Kat's catty. They were hilarious, the three of them together when we were on 12, just kind of waiting because there's usually a backup on hole 12 and Shelton anyways That's kind of a traditional spot for a backup, But they're having some really funny conversations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the other thing is a lot of these pros they'll go over to the tent or whatever And they will sit there and they will sign discs and talk to you and all sorts of things. I mean they're all just very, very kind people And just happy that you're there. Remember, the fans are the reason that they can do what they do. Otherwise the pro tour wouldn't exist. So they're all very just happy to have you there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're super excited to see the little kiddos come up and get their book signed, their disc signed, their posters, whatever it was that they wanted to have signed. And I have to say one of my favorite moments was Psy was over next to the taco truck actually And someone came over and was like oh, can you sign my disc? And she's like absolutely. And all of a sudden you see her sit down. Chris Cross applesauce pulls out an entire art set And she's just got this whole setup on the ground in front of the taco truck And people are like, is that the line for Psy or the line for the taco truck?
Speaker 2:And they're like no, that's the line for.
Speaker 1:Psy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, And also when we went up and got her to sign the kids' discs, we were like, hey, these are for our kiddos. And she's like, oh my god, I want to put on cute stuff. Can I do cute stuff? And so she actually drew pictures and stuff on the disc and signed her name And it was great. But she was one of the luminaries And they're all luminaries by my standards But everybody has their unique style and their unique way of doing things And it was just a really great experience. So if you haven't been able to go to a pro tour event, do so. I highly recommend volunteering. You're going to work, work, work, work, But you're going to be able to have an experience that you won't get anywhere else.
Speaker 1:And I want to say being an intentional disc golfer. So I felt completely comfortable doing the scorekeeping the entire time. Like the first time I was out there I was a little nervous, but I strongly recommend that you do practice on you disc if you're going to scorekeep, and practice scoring your own rounds using the different stats of whether it's fairway, off the fairway, circle one, circle two, but going out and actually playing around myself. Actually the two of us went and played Freddy's the other night And so we were able to have those conversations now of, well, would you call that fairway or off the fairway? Like I think you're in circle two, give yourself the credit for being in circle two. So understanding kind of that area of the logistics of the game too has changed the way I look at the game.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well. And also having your statistics right there in front of you allows you to structure your practice a lot better. So if you know where you're hitting putts from where you're not hitting putts, from where you're making fairway shots, how are your upshots looking, that all you can analyze that data and you can figure out. Ok, i need to work on this. I need to work on that. I need a week here. I need to brush up on that.
Speaker 1:I also want to say that the pros were super awesome doing stuff. in Washington There was the OTB skins where four of the guys went and played And they did some kind of funny cool stuff too. I guess there was a someone was talking about that they did like a rapid fire and succession just ran up there one after the other and threw their shots And my friend Carrie, her husband, was like man. I think it was Carrie's husband. I was like man. I wish I had my camera out. I didn't know they were doing that, but they were out at 360. They were out at I think they went to.
Speaker 2:Mando's. No, it was Emerald City.
Speaker 1:They went to Emerald City. I think they went to both.
Speaker 2:There is a bunch of them.
Speaker 1:Probably, but I got to go to the women's clinic with Holland and Ella And it was amazing. They're really willing to answer your questions of what should you do here, what would you do there? Got some really good tips from them, and so I have a friend who's gone to two clinics now with Ella, and so I can see how that would be very beneficial to go to the different clinics, because you pick up something different each time And I'm still remembering little bits and tips that they gave. Well, i keep remembering as I think back on it.
Speaker 2:I remember a different part of that It kind of comes back to you when you're not. And Ella Hansen, man, she's just one of the nicest people to homegrown local girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and her mom was, I think, there for around three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, her mom was there. Yeah, that was super neat. So, no, just great time. Everybody was nice, Everybody was oh. yeah, I was going to say Eagle McMahon sighting up in Port Angeles and went to the Ho Rainforest.
Speaker 1:I hear All I know is that he was at Taylor's printing place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, taylor ran into him And Taylor Fauth, one of our local pros, she ran into him And he was on his way to the Ho Rainforest to check that out. So I can't speak for him, but it sounds like the pros had a really great time, a really great engaging experience up here in Washington and are in favor of returning. So that's something to look forward to in the future.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I want to give a shout out there to Eagle. I got to score his final card at Shelton when he started to have a pretty hot round And I really want to tell him that I admire that. He had a couple of bad shots. He would take a break, go off to the side, reconvene, kind of get his head in order and then have a few more great shots And then for him to decide that he's not going to be able to finish up the Portland Open and he's going to take some time to take care of himself.
Speaker 1:that's huge. Yeah, for sure, For sure.
Speaker 2:Shout out to you Eagle. Well, i was keeping score for him. what the day before?
Speaker 1:You did first round.
Speaker 2:The first round I kept score for Eagle. He was a great guy. I was really fortunate to be able to keep score for Jonah, jonah Vino, eric Oakley and Gannon Burr on day two. That was super cool because it turned out to be Eric Oakley's hot round for the weekend and for that day, so we were going around and having fun. Eric Oakley is quite the character, great guy And he ended up shooting the hot round and he made that Eagle on what 10? And that like 200?
Speaker 1:That goes eight.
Speaker 2:No, it was 10. It was the big right hander.
Speaker 1:Oh, OK Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then all of a sudden, all these cameras start showing up and it was like, oh god, ok.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Matt Bell who Eagle'd on eight the final day when he had the hot round And Matt Bell came in second.
Speaker 2:He was the second. That's what it was, Matt Bell.
Speaker 1:Super awesome person. I wish I would have brought some of my Thought Space discs, because I love them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't even think about bringing those to get signed, probably because they're all at work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i mean it was just. It was kind of a little bit of starstruckness at first, but it really came down to earth at the end.
Speaker 1:Speaking of Eric Oakley, he's going to be coming on our show and talking about that positive mindset. I saw his post about that. he's made some changes and really trying to work on that mental game and that aspect, and so he's going to come on and share some of those changes and thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's really exciting news. Other big news about the intentional discolfer podcast. I was chatting with Eric Oakley about it and he just looked straight at me and said, OK, when can I come on? I'm like, all right, I'm not going to say no to that. So Eric Oakley is in the hopper to come on the intentional discolfer podcast and any of the other pros that would like to come on and teach a little bit and give us some blurbs and let us pick their brain, You are more than welcome to it. It is the intentional discolfer at gmailcom. The intentional discolfer at gmailcom. And with that, before we roll into smarter goals.
Speaker 1:Oh, i want to say one more thing. Yes, these tournaments, there are so many volunteer places that it's at your comfort level. If you're comfortable enough to be walking with the pros carrying their stats and realizing, oh my gosh, there are hundreds of people on all sides of you, they have a spot for you. If you're not comfortable with that, you can also go stand down by the catch cam, which is also a really cool place to be, and see the discs coming that way. Also, spotting, checking in volunteers, giving out passes There are so many things that you can do to help make whatever your local pro tournament successful, or one of your amateur tournaments They're always looking for volunteers.
Speaker 2:Honestly, the best way to grow the sport is to volunteer.
Speaker 1:Or play.
Speaker 2:Or play a lot. Get your friends involved.
Speaker 2:And talk about the intentional discolfer podcast, because all we think about is disc golf. I'll be lying in bed and Jenny will be like what are you thinking about? And I'll be like disc golf And she'll be like where are we going tomorrow? Anyway, before we break into smarter goals, we're going to take a quick break from a word from another. One of our sponsors, ec Construction Services, is dedicated to growing the sport of disc golf, from sponsoring tournaments and events to volunteering with the Paul McBeth Foundation. When you hire BC Construction Services for your project, you are supporting growing the sport that we love. Get a free quote now by contacting them at bcconstructionnwcom Or at 360-271-3441. That is 271-3441. Serving the Greater Kitsap and Eastern Jefferson County area.
Speaker 2:All right, so we are so fortunate to have so many people jumping on board and supporting this podcast, so let's get right into it, talking about smarter goals in this episode. Here's the meat and potatoes. So, janney, yeah, i know that you've heard of the acronym of SMART Goals. It's a construct that a lot of people are familiar with and use. Do you remember what SMART Goals stand for? I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I just went straight to SMART SMRT. Smart SMRT, Take out the A which is attainable.
Speaker 2:So what is the acronym SMART and SMART goals mean.
Speaker 1:Specific, measurable, attainable, realistic and time bound.
Speaker 2:That is correct And that's how most people know it, and I think it was Well.
Speaker 1:there's different ways you can do it. The realistic is relevant.
Speaker 2:Relevant or responsible. Well, like, if you're 12, you're not supposed to be driving a car type. So driving a car when you're 12 is not maybe responsible.
Speaker 1:I've never heard of responsible in a SMART goal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Kaylee was telling us about that.
Speaker 1:Well, that's because Kaylee needs to understand responsibility.
Speaker 2:Are your ears burning, Kaylee?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So SMART Goals is something that's commonly taught in leadership development classes, productivity classes, adult leadership all the way down to adolescent and child leadership.
Speaker 1:Or just middle school classes in general.
Speaker 2:Or middle school. It's a great tool to be able to organize and really dial in a goal. It kind of has to do with that deliberate practice type of thing. It has direct correlation to the deliberate practice. What we're talking about today is an expanded version of that called smarter goals, which go a step further, And also I'm going to take a little bit of liberty with one of those and switch them around because I feel like there's a lot of overlap. So let's get into that.
Speaker 1:I'm horrible at smart goals. I'm horrible at goals in general. Like I can teach it. I can tell kids why it's a good idea to do them. I just never sit down and actually do them and write out my goals and what I'm going to do and why it's a good goal. Like I'm one of those people that if I'm doing like a writing test, I skip all the rough drafts and I go straight to the final. So I always skip the smart goals or goals in general.
Speaker 2:Well and it's funny to bring that up because I was thinking about that very thing is, like you know, i'm terrible at. You know I should have a notebook full of my goals and what I've done and you know, kind of like my goal journal or whatever. I don't have one of those laying around the house.
Speaker 1:Oh, i did start doing it like for New Year's. Like for like three years in a row I did it for New Year's.
Speaker 2:Oh, there you go, and that was it. There you go, but.
Speaker 1:I'm 38, three years out of 38 years, it's not something like a blip.
Speaker 2:Nailed it. So what? I I'm like well, do we do this? Do we actually do it in practice? And I would have to say yes. It's just, you develop to the point of where you use the same model and maybe you don't realize it, but you kind of do it in your head and you know, evaluate all these things in your head and whether you, you know, as you use it more and more, you tend to not realize that you're doing it and you just do it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I forget about them, that's why you forget your smart goals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i made a goal this week that I was going to cook dinner and I did it. Yay, okay, so we're talking about smart goals. Let's start to unpack each one of those things and talk about them one by one, starting off with the S, which is specific. And so, when you're teaching this to your sixth graders seventh graders how do you teach specific? What do you? what types of things do you talk about?
Speaker 1:It's been a while since I've taught it, so give me a second.
Speaker 2:I don't put you on the spot huh, yeah, so specific.
Speaker 1:I usually prompt the kid for hey, you know what's a goal you have, and it's like, oh, i want to get better at soccer. Well, what does better look like? And keep asking those questions until we determine a very specific instead of like skate better, it's be able to do so many. I don't even know what skating like, for me it would be stay on the skateboard for like five minutes, like that would be specific for me for skating, but like for disc golf, what I was saying is get better at putting.
Speaker 1:Well, how do you get better at putting So you can do the, the target putt? So, using a tool to help you aim better, like if aim is your thing, and hit the target putt like five out of 10 shots, like that could be a goal. Or it could be that you want to make so many in the basket putts in a given amount of time. That's very specific. It's measurable. It may or may not be attainable. Realistic and time bound is how long it's going to take. Like you can't just do. You can't talk about one part like cause it's just one sentence, like you're doing all of it at once.
Speaker 2:So I think you, i think you landed on something great. There's like a lot of people say, hey, i want to get better, dot dot dot. Well, bet what it? what is better, right, better, better might be just like showing up on time, better, you know. But I think what you're alluding to is that if you say you want to get better or something, keep asking questions better. What does that look like? How do I do that? What do I need to focus on? and get to the point where you kind of run out of questions to ask And some of us are very creative, so you have to, you know, cut it off at some point, but you'll like say you're putting, for example, you want to, you want to get better at putting from a certain distance. Let's say that's 20 feet. That's kind of the marker that I always use about 20 feet. That's specific is that I want to improve my putting from 20 feet.
Speaker 1:So you're improving your circle one putts.
Speaker 2:My middle circle one putts. Well, there's a this is all based off of statistics and that we'll talk about that when we go into measurable. but there's, there's a statistic out there when I was first starting out that novice to amateur disc golfers will make four to five. No, no, no, it was three to five putts from 20 feet in a round.
Speaker 1:So isn't that for like determining which division you're in for through PDGA? Okay, i think that's where that statistic is listed.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is something through PDGA, i forget where I see it, but it so let's just, you know, kind of in the middle and a novice to amateur will make 40% from 20 feet out, and that's a pretty solid novice amateur, as where an advanced player player excuse me, an advanced player will make something like, i think it's like, 60% from 20 feet away from the basket. So how do I do that? How do I get to that 60% mark?
Speaker 1:So you talk about when you're coming up with smarter goals. It's it's got a level of questioning that you just continue doing. If you're not good at questioning or questioning yourself, find that friend that's always asking questions and is always curious. Go up to them and say, hey, i'm working on a smarter goal. Can you help me? go through the statement And they will be able to help you determine. Like, go through that questioning of well, why do you want to do this? Well, what does that look like? So find that accountability partner to help you create your smart goal. For sure.
Speaker 2:For sure, And we're going to. we'll unpack that a little bit more later on. I'm happy that you brought it up, because there's a one thing that you'll find when talking about smarter goals or smart goals is that there's a lot of overlap and all of these things are related to each other very, very deeply. So, yeah, so specific, keep asking yourself those questions, go as far down as you can go, or as you know, as much as you think is reasonable to attain the level of performance that you're looking for. The next one talk about measurable. So this is the M in smarter measurable. And, Jenny, you're the expert on this because you are the master at creatively defining datasets.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, What was that Booker Disc Golf Data? Well, there's we did the episode on DIY Frankenstein, of being your own experiment.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So that book with the disc golf data really goes through a lot of creative ways that you can come up with statistics where you can take qualitative and quantitative data and make it mean something to you.
Speaker 1:Like when we were at the cascade challenge, i was thinking about the statistic of your next shot after searching for a disc, because there were a couple of times we had to search for a disc and then watching the pros how they did after that. Or the one that really surprised me was the data of okay, if you have a really good shot, like a really deep putt or like an eagle or a nice bird, how well do you do on your next shot? And I was a little surprised at the pros because they didn't a lot of with the women. A lot of times they didn't have a good next shot after having some amazing shot. So, looking into some of those statistics, where for measurable? if you're just going to say that I'm I want to do better at disc golf and that means having more birdies, that's not a very realistic measure for you to use because it's not actually determining what has changed in your game. It's just your your down a shot somehow magically.
Speaker 2:So what you're? two things I want to ask. So what you're saying is like the total number on your scorecard doesn't necessarily reflect you getting better per se. I mean, that's the ultimate measure, but it doesn't give you a roadmap of how you get. There is what you're trying to say. What's more important is the route that you take to reach that success.
Speaker 1:Well, i and this is a conversation we were having just the other day too still was, if you know, saying that you have all parts like is that a vanity metric? and and your score? and then having that conversation of well, if we're not using score, how do we even define the game in the first place?
Speaker 2:Well, one thing I find, my one thing. I find myself asking, like, say, if I get a par, how did that par happen? What elements had to come together for me to make that shot? And so I've been starting to study that with myself. Is that okay if I'm like, say, on a par three and I end up getting a par on that, what you know, what happened during that whole? did I hit the fairway? Did I come off the fairway? Did I make an amazing upshot or did I kind of, you know, blah my upshot? Did I miss my putt or did I make my putt?
Speaker 1:So that was um, with scoring for the pros. Uh, maria Olivia had some amazing shots out of she was off the fairway and she would just have these amazing, amazing scramble shots to get back out into the fairway. And so that was part of with using the UDIS determining, well, what gives them a better looking stat, like if I said that was fairway or I said there was off the fairway and they made that And I, i, i wish there was a better way to quantify these really good, amazing shots, like having a great drive. Well, clearly, if they got within bull's eye and they, they were probably had an amazing drive. But how do you show that you have this amazing? like you got into the, the crap on the side of the woods and then you managed to get out and like a shot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the statistics don't tell the whole story, because I mean off the fairway. It could be off the fairway three feet, or off the fairway could be deep in the woods And you got to make some amazing hero shot to hit the bull's eye. The higher the difficulty of the of the shot, however, the lower the probability of success. So I wish, like you, i wish there was a way to quantify, there's definitely a way to qualify it, but not to quantify how that maybe a degree of difficulty like is this shot? like a, you know, five being most difficult, zero being like circle one putt type of thing, like I don't know? So maybe that's something that we should. We should explore a little bit and come up with a reigning system. Or if somebody wants to do it out there and share it with us, please do.
Speaker 1:Well, like with the circle one, you know the all the data for circle one. Circle two putting for the pros to make it even more specific would be where in the basket did they hit and what is their statistics? using the putting to ourselves where are they hitting? And that currently there isn't anything aside from like coming up with your own drawing and keeping track of it on paper on your phone. We don't have anything that's that specific.
Speaker 2:So one of the things I need to bring up is like, where do we start with that? Because everybody has a baseline. Everybody knows not knows necessarily, but everybody has a like on an average day. This is how I play. You know, i'm x% from circle one, x% from circle two. My fairway hits are so many my, you know, off the fairways my drives are so many that type of thing. So how do you, when you're like, say, if you're teaching a math class because you're a teacher, how do you establish that baseline for your students?
Speaker 1:When you have something new that you're trying to figure out how you're doing at it, you have to take some formal record, which can be a physical photo. It can be a video, especially for disc golf, if you want to show where you're at like. There's this one local lady who she's documenting every single shot she takes and pretty much how she's improving, which is kind of neat. I'm not really down for doing that.
Speaker 2:Do you know where she is, who she is?
Speaker 1:Yeah, i'd have to look it up on my phone. It's some formal record. It can be a picture, it can be a video, it can be a test in math class. It's typically a test. If you were hiring a construction worker, it would probably be. how can, how do you build something? or being able to have those conversations and see how they're working through, how do you do it for work?
Speaker 2:Well, at work, people just kind of figure that out for me.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, because I go to work. What do you do first when you get to a construction?
Speaker 2:Well, i'm thinking about when I first started doing No. No, what do I do when I get to a? So you're talking about, like, if I'm doing a consult, no, what are you talking about? What's step in the process am I?
Speaker 1:Okay, so you've gone through the walkthrough, whatever, before you do anything to it. What do you do? Order materials No, what. What do you do?
Speaker 2:I'm not.
Speaker 1:You take a picture, you take a before photo, right?
Speaker 2:Sometimes You're supposed to.
Speaker 1:If.
Speaker 2:I remember Well, Or I'll diagram it or do a little sketch or something. But yeah, I'll have an idea of what the site looks like when I come on.
Speaker 1:No, you take a before photo of here's what it looked like before I did anything, and then you take pictures of the progress as you go through and make changes to the deck or whatever you're working on, and then at the end you take a finished photo. So you can see that it started like this and now it looks like this, and isn't it amazing?
Speaker 2:Before and after. Yes, oh, you're talking like those weight loss things where it's like I'm not talking weight loss period.
Speaker 1:Don't touch it, don't even touch it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i take a before picture before I start. So how do I because, like I can take a video of me starting out disc golf and then, a year later, take another video of my form and overlay the two and compare it? However, that's a year down the road How do I figure out where I'm at today, right now, or maybe over the next week?
Speaker 1:Depends on what you're looking at.
Speaker 2:Well, that's where the specific comes in.
Speaker 1:Like if we're checking to see if your skirt game is on point, you need to wear a skirt. I'm not wearing a skirt, if we're checking to see if your raffle game is on point. You got to enter a raffle.
Speaker 2:But that's the only way I win these things is I win raffles. I know these are our two favorite measures.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is Tatar's skirt game.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:I love her skirt. Someone had the white Nike skirt this weekend. Oh my God, it was so pretty. Anyways, and then our raffle game Got it.
Speaker 2:Nailed it.
Speaker 2:If we marksmen the Yeah, ladies of the late last year, anyway. So I guess what I'm getting at is I need to do like what we talked about in the one episode, is I need to become my own experiment. I need to go out there and evaluate where I'm at, and that involves putting myself through some sort of evaluation that is very specific and concentrated on a certain area, like we were talking about putting from 20 feet out earlier, and I'll go out and set a number of putts, like, say, 200 putts. I'll throw 200 shots and see how many of them go in.
Speaker 1:See, that's different from mine, which is 200 in the basket. So I shoot like 500 something shots a week to get 200 actually in the basket.
Speaker 2:Well, it's different because they're two different things is because your 200 in the basket is your practice. It's not your evaluation.
Speaker 1:So it can be. How long does it take me to hit 200 shots?
Speaker 2:Oh, if you're doing a time metric as far as like speed.
Speaker 1:No, Like your goal of shooting to 200,. how many did you get in the basket is the same type of measurement of I'm going to get 200 in the basket. How many shots did I have to make? So what was that percentage?
Speaker 2:Oh, how many shots did you have to take to get 200 in the basket?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So and that's important that you bring that up So you have to select your sample size.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know you can set your sample size at like say, i'm going to throw only 200 shots And however many go in the basket is going to be my sample. Or I can say I'm going to go until I make 200 shots and then I'm going to count the total shots that I that I threw, and both of them will spit out a percentage. The important thing to know is that the larger your sample size, the more accurate your results are going to be. So using that data to make your goals and structure your practice regimen is really important, especially when you're setting smart goals, because you can say that I'm going to increase my 20 foot percentage from 30% to 40%. How? How? By practicing.
Speaker 1:When.
Speaker 2:We're going to get to that. That's the time bound part of it.
Speaker 1:Well, the whole thing is one statement, so it's really hard to go over just one piece at a time.
Speaker 2:It is. There's a lot of, there's a lot of overlay and overlap and you know you're going to have to kind of dissect this conversation if you're one of our listeners to use it for your own purposes. Moving on to the A in smarter goals, I took some liberty with this because there's a lot of overlap between the attainable and realistic. I feel like those are too closely related because if it's not attainable, it's not realistic, Correct?
Speaker 1:And if it's not?
Speaker 2:realistic, it's not attainable. So now, so I what I did is I took the liberty of changing it to accountable, and that's kind of what you were talking about earlier, jenny is bringing in that friend to help you with this, or bringing in, you know, it can be your dog, it can be your wife, it can be your child, it can be your best friend, it can be your discolfing partner, it can be a discolfer across the country who is going through the same thing that you are, but bringing somebody or some kind of system in of accountability to hold you to your goal while you're going through this process, like you were talking about, you can bring in a friend or a phone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm looking at all the different words that they use for the attainable, relevant, realistic There's a good one right here Achievable.
Speaker 2:Achievable. Yeah, there's a lot of different derivatives of the acronym the smarter goals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the A and the R seem to be changed around a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's too much overlap there. I don't think there is, though.
Speaker 1:So why not? Because attainable is this statement attainable for you in the amount of time that you're going to complete it? And then realistic or relevant, like is it actually something that makes sense for you to be doing in the first place? It's like if I was to be like I'm going to go play the pro, the cascade challenge layout at Shelton and I'm going to have the same level of scores that I do now. Like, that's not realistic As much as it. Like is it attainable, maybe, like in. Like if I give myself, like, a three year timeframe, but like is it attainable tomorrow?
Speaker 2:No Well, yeah, and I would say that almost anything's attainable on a long enough time frame, and we'll talk about that later when we get into the time bound aspects of this, because you know, the price is time and energy, and if you have both of those things in abundance, you can achieve things a lot quicker if you so choose. But people that have families and jobs and things like that, it's going to be a lot more difficult and probably take a lot more time to be able to achieve those things. And we'll talk about that a little more in depth when we talk about the rule of 10,000.
Speaker 1:Well, and that's different for teaching too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so yeah. So a system of accountability. Now, you're more in tune with accountability systems than I am. Do you have like a model or something of what a system of accountability would look like?
Speaker 1:I guess it depends on what you're trying to be accountable for. Well, let's say I'm trying to be accountable to practicing every day.
Speaker 2:Okay, like giving myself an hour worth of practice every day.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And we're talking about the 20 foot putts, still just to be clear. Okay, so how, how, what are some ways that I can hold myself accountable, or you can hold me accountable, or something else can hold me accountable to that?
Speaker 1:I tell you to do it.
Speaker 2:Wow, i know.
Speaker 1:My first thought was hide the Xbox remotes. Oh God.
Speaker 2:They have disc golf on switch now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was kind of fun. I wish they had my discs, though, like they need to, which could be like. here's the discs I actually use.
Speaker 2:I know, add, we're going off the rails again, but no, the disc golf game on switch is not realistic at all. Like the the disc it's not bad, but it's not like the real disc golf, like they advertise it to be.
Speaker 1:So you play Jurassic Park dinosaurs. It's not realistic either.
Speaker 2:Dude, don't mess with my dinosaurs, all right, all right, i'm not, but anyway. So how about, like a, a chart? or something or an app. Oh, we were talking about phones over there Is there?
Speaker 1:is there an account? Well, the system of accountability is going to depend on what your thing is in the first place. Like you, like, it's hard to talk about just that.
Speaker 1:So we're going to be it's going to be whatever makes sense to you, like in the disc golf data book he talks about having a notebook that's just full of data points and and deciding whether he's going to track. I think it's on you disc too that you can track your um accuracy, so keeping a bit of a record. So, like you disc. So under practice they have measure throw putting practice and accuracy practice. The putting pras practice is only for you throw five shots from a 11 feet 22, 33.
Speaker 1:I wish you disc you would make it so that we can put in our own uh numbers that we want to use uh for putting practice. But the accuracy practice I haven't even started that yet but it looks like for accuracy practice you can decide custom points for whether your throw was accurate to where you were aiming or not. Oh, cool, yeah, so that's uh in the disc golf data he talks about. You know the terciles is one form he uses. Virtual putting league was. That was another set of data that I had. So it's yeah, it's creating some way to actually track that.
Speaker 2:So maybe so maybe it's like not only having a record but also having like a goal within a goal within a goal, like uh inception type of thing, where it's like, okay, my goal is to get better at putting from 20 feet out, and then my subsequent, my sub goal for that would be okay. Well, i'm going to dedicate an hour to practice every day And then I think the biggest, the biggest part of of accountability is uh kind of like this podcast is to make it public, is to tell somebody get people on board.
Speaker 1:That doesn't work for everyone.
Speaker 2:It doesn't work for anyone. But the accountability piece is just whatever makes you stick to the plan that you have laid out And so some way of creatively staying on board, staying on the program, and people fall off the wagon all the time. I mean, I was supposed to practice every day, like I dedicated that and you know, and then I wasn't feeling well the other day, So I, you know, skipped out of practice and moving on. So, uh, we talked about the eighth, Let's go to the R and smarter goals, And there's a lot here. It's a realistic, reasonable, responsible a lot of our words. I feel like a pirate because our um and then and then Kaylee, she said to make sure that they're actually legal. So, like a 12, a 12 year old driving a car might not be exactly legal, which would fall into the responsible area, But, um, yeah, realistic, reasonable, responsible.
Speaker 1:I think we need to bring her down here and be like Kaylee explain smarter, smarter, exactly. Exactly So. you would be like extraterrestrial or something.
Speaker 2:And you kind of touched on this earlier was it has to be realistic by the metrics that you are, by the rubric that you were creating?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like I'll never be five foot seven, like if it has anything to do with me getting taller, like that's not going to happen, it's not realistic.
Speaker 2:Or like I'm going to become a you know uh, the first colonizer of Mars, or something that might not be realistic, because Mars is Mars.
Speaker 1:I was going to say you're going to become the number one bagpipe disc golfer on the continental United States. Like the bagpipe disc golfer, Where do the bagpipes come from.
Speaker 2:I was imagining you in a kilts. Hey you know talking about your skirt game. You know what the Scottish wear under their kilts shoes, shoes, socks disc golf socks, boots.
Speaker 1:Yeah Dude, disc golf socks are worth every penny.
Speaker 2:My feet are too big, i don't get to wear neat socks. Yeah, yeah, unless I special order them, which doesn't work either.
Speaker 1:That's a legend. Oh, legit, no legal. Oh legal.
Speaker 2:There's a dot, yeah, but realistic. Anything can be realistic, but you have to have the two components. You have to have time.
Speaker 1:Kayleigh saying she's going to be a unicorn.
Speaker 2:Yeah, You can't. You can't. be a unicorn, I mean, let's not go there Speaking, speaking of which the unicorn pen.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God.
Speaker 2:So they at Shelton, they had the practice area fenced off across the street and that's everybody go over there and they had, you know, warm up and everything And I have lovely, lovingly dubbed it the unicorn pen because that's where all the mystic disc golf beasts go to you know, congeal and get ready to do their unicorn thing. So if you are a professional disc golfer you are now a mystic unicorn beast doing magical things only when you're practicing your putting and spreading happiness throughout the universe, and at least the Pacific Northwest, that's for sure.
Speaker 1:I want a disc golf basket that when you hit it, it sprays glitter everywhere. Kind of like the guy and the Korok guy On Zelda.
Speaker 2:So anything can be realistic on a long enough timeframe with enough energy. However, there is a price to pay for everything And I think that is an important point to make is what is that price that you're willing to pay? We talked about it in the talent myth is that anybody can do anything. Anybody can achieve that proficiency in anything, as long as it's like on a normal spectrum, and it's just a matter of the time and energy that you're willing to put into it. You know what is. You know, for a lot of us everyday lifers, that price tag is much too high because we have family, we have jobs, we have mortgages, we have, you know, whatever it is we have, and for most of us, disc golf is just, you know, a fun thing to do that you know, to get out of the house, or an obsession. That was correct.
Speaker 2:One thing I would like to talk about with the setting, the smart goals, smarter goals and the realism part of it is one thing that I like to do when I set my goals is I like to have like a like a high, like a maximum outcome type goal, and it's kind of based off the concept that if I aim for Mars and I hit the moon, it's not so bad.
Speaker 2:But if I aim for a mud puddle and I hit it, i'm still got mud on my face. So one thing I like to do is I like to make a Hey, what, what is my maximum possible outcome? What would I, you know, is the ideal? And then I'll make a separate outcome, you know, but on the same goal. But make a separate outcome, say, okay, you know, i'd be all right with this if this happened, like this is where I could get to, and if I have maximum results, then this is where I, you know. And then maybe even I don't like setting minimum results, because that's kind of just setting yourself up for failure And it's kind of turning that whole practice thing into a negative, i mean what's.
Speaker 1:I kind of feel like you're doing that by saying this is like the high achieving goal, and here's the middle achieving goal. I like to do set a goal that that fits the frame of the smart goal And then, after you achieve that, make another one and continue to go on, instead of like, oh well, here's Mars that I'm trying to hit, when that may not be realistic or attainable at that point in time, so bring it back down to okay, i'd like to at least leave the atmosphere of earth. There's a goal one Get into orbit, then get to the moon is goal two. Then goal three is to whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, So it'll be like a like you're saying it'd be a tiered system, so like that's that's.
Speaker 1:That's the only way you're going to improve is you have to keep setting goals and keep setting goals. Once you achieve a goal, you need to be in the place where you're still continuing of. There's always something to improve. We're always learning. We're always improving. We have to keep going.
Speaker 2:Well, that's, that's the deliberate practice is getting to that 80% and then moving on to the next goal. So all of these things that we've talked about are related and work with each other. But let's say, if we're talking about the 20 foot putts, for example, you know I would like to be a hundred percent at 20 feet, i would like to be lights out like don't even have to think about it, i can throw one over my back blindfolded and it'll go in the basket.
Speaker 1:See, but then you're going to end up in a position where you're like down on your knee behind a bush around a ravine within 20 feet.
Speaker 2:Inevitably. Yes, yeah, that's what always happens. Always or straddle putting.
Speaker 1:I hate straddle putting, you need to practice.
Speaker 2:I know I need to practice. There you go. I need to practice my 20 foot straddle putts. There we go. I'd start with your 10 foot. Oh well, thank you.
Speaker 1:It's not really that bad.
Speaker 2:It's not really that bad.
Speaker 1:Get a few wins. There's nothing wrong with setting a small goal to put yourself on the track for success With the virtual putting, how I was doing, trying to get my 20, my 15, and when I just threw three that were off, I'd scooch back up closer to get back into the success And then Well, and you talked about that earlier, about gaining some small wins, to up the confidence, to allow people the grace to be able to try harder and push their boundaries.
Speaker 2:Because they have that confidence and more confident people will push themselves further, beyond their means, because they feel that they can achieve it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's been quite a few people. I don't even remember. I've seen so many of the putting instructional videos where they're like I literally go five feet away and just practice. What does it feel like, what does it look like to get that down? And I'll do a hundred at like five feet, really solidify. This is what it feels like before I go to 10, 15, 20.
Speaker 2:I think you're touching on a really good point here is that you know, don't make your goal something that you can already do. Excuse me, don't make your goal something that you can already do. Why not? Because you can already do it. Your goal can be progressive. I mean, it doesn't have to push your limits to the extreme, but it needs to push your limits. So, like, if I'm a solid 30% putter for 20 feet, my goal should not be to put 30%, unless my consistency is what I'm going for But then that would be a time base, a time metric, rather than a success metric.
Speaker 2:Does that make sense? It'd be two different things. I'm measuring at that point. I can already cook a hamburger, right. I don't need to learn how to cook a hamburger. I can make a hamburger. Can I make a better hamburger? Sure, but in order to do that, i still got to push my boundaries. Your goal shouldn't be something that you can already do with confidence, even if you push yourself a little bit, you still need to make a goal that expands your boundaries and your capabilities.
Speaker 1:I don't necessarily agree with you.
Speaker 1:Why not Because, like I'm thinking of some of the students that I work with and, yes, they can do X, Y and Z. However, maybe they've lost their confidence in being able to do X, Y and Z And so, setting the goal of doing X, Y and Z and then doing X, Y and Z more often and more repetitively, like we know they can do it. However, we just need to get them to continue doing it and doing it more often. So it's not necessarily expanding their comfort zone, It's just practicing the repetition of making something more of a habit, I guess, than setting it up as a goal And that's. You know, it's a different page with her flick of the wrist. That's her habit, That's her routine, And so the more we can get this stuff to be a habit, the less that things are going to change and the less we have to practice.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that's kind of what I was trying to say earlier with. you know, in that case scenario the student, the player, can already do the activity with some level of consistency and proficiency. If you're going back and reviewing and reviewing and reviewing, you're no longer trying to develop that success rate, You're trying to develop their confidence level. So, you're changing the metric that you're measuring.
Speaker 1:I can. I can be mean and say look, ultimately it's I want to throw a disc better. There's only so many ways you can throw a disc, and if you're able to throw a disc like, you're still throwing a disc like.
Speaker 2:Well, as the rule is written, it's a competitive effort to improve your lie. It doesn't say that you have to throw your disc this way or that you have to throw your disc that way.
Speaker 1:Have they made the rule yet that you can't scrunch up the floppies and that that is actually a rule?
Speaker 2:I see people scrunch them up but then they take them all apart again. Yeah, because yeah, but that is actually a rule. So now what I was saying about the, the high ballmark or the maximum outcome, is you know, i would love to be a hundred percent from 20 feet. That might not be realistic. But 90% is realistic. But I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2:If I expect myself to jump from 30% consistency to 90% consistency success rate, that's a pretty big jump. Maybe not on a long enough timeframe, but that's a pretty big jump. So if I'm giving myself a timeframe of, like, say, you know, six weeks and I want to raise my consistency by 10%, i would say that that's okay. You know, i'd be satisfied with that. That's a lot of hard work. If I hit 50, i'm going to be really happy. If I get up to that 90%, it's going to be like holy crap. So, but eventually, you know, if I do this on six week time periods, if I put enough six week time periods, blocks in of practicing 20 foot puts consistently, eventually I will hit that 90% mark.
Speaker 1:So, but wouldn't you, though, if you're setting this goal of the 10% you gave yourself six weeks to do it If you did it in two and you hit that goal, because you're looking at it and you know you've hit that goal wouldn't you then be like okay, i'm going to do another 10% and start my next six weeks. Well, and that's?
Speaker 2:that's part of the deliberate prayer No, but wouldn't you? wouldn't you? Can you? can you say that again? I want to make sure I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Yes, listen to understand. So if you said that you wanted to improve your, is it you're saying putting 20 foot puts? okay, you're improving your 20 foot puts from 30 to 40% accuracy. You gave yourself six weeks. two weeks after you started, you're at 40% and you're aware of this because you're checking this daily, seeing if it's changing or whatever. This isn't like a surprise. I'm not going to, i'm not going to look at my score in six weeks. I'm doing it as I go along.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You're trying to hit that 40%, maybe give yourself a couple of days of staying at that 40% to really feel like you have it. But then once you'd be like, okay, now I'm going to raise it another 10 to get to 50 and start your six weeks again.
Speaker 2:Yes And so it's, it's not.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, i'm so happy. I hit 50 in six weeks. It's, i did. I met my goal faster, so now I can set a new goal.
Speaker 2:Yes, and, and that's part of something that we're going to talk about here in a minute, but I'm glad you touched on it and we're already going to turn my page here to you. All right, we've already talked about it a little bit. It needs to be time bound, which is the T and smarter goals. Set yourself a time limit. I plan to achieve XY of ZNZ, and this is how much time I'm willing to give myself to achieve that.
Speaker 1:And you can be flexible within 10% per each child you have in your household.
Speaker 2:There's some wisdom to that. Give yourself some grace. Like I was just talking about. You know, i'm going to cut up six week time blocks and this is what I expect to see every six weeks, or I hope to see every six weeks. Every six weeks I want to see myself raise 10% in my 20 foot putts and in, like Jenny was saying is, sometimes I will achieve that very, that goal very quickly, because when you go from your baseline to your next step up, there's a lot more room for growth and improvement and you're going to get that very quickly. But as you approach your maximum capacity, you're not going to grow as quickly and the practice is going to become more difficult. The time bound aspect of it should be related to the task that you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 1:Like if you're going to say I'm going to learn to bake a cake and you give yourself like 10 minutes, that doesn't make sense, like it's not possible.
Speaker 2:Like, say, i'm going to buy a house in the next two years. Is that realistic?
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i wish, yeah, i wish, but it'd be, that would be something that would be realistic. But if I, you know, in the, you know time, finances and whatever, if I say I'm going to buy a house tomorrow, right, well, that might not be so realistic. Or I'm going to, i'm going to fly the space shuttle tomorrow, having no training or anything like. I just dated myself the space shuttle. It'd be a SpaceX, now it'd be the dragon or the Falcon or whatever the heck it is, and computers all do it nowadays. I don't know, but anyway, the amount of time that you give yourself to accomplish the task should be reasonable and realistic to what you are trying to achieve. Moving on, you're probably wondering what these extra two little letters on the end of smart goals are. We're moving into smarter goals. This is the expanded format. This is not something that I made up. This is actually I believe it's from John A Cuff, the guy that does the quitter and all that stuff, the book, the author. Is that the right guy, john A Cuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I don't think he created some of our goals.
Speaker 2:I don't think he created it, but that's where I heard it from was John A Cuff. He's a author, self-help author, leader, entrepreneur, trainer of many different leadership and coaching strategies, And this is where I heard it from, whether he is the one that created it or not. But the E in smarter is for evaluate Kind of twofold. Jenny, what you were talking about is, if you achieve your goal in two weeks and you've given yourself six at that point you need to go back and re-evaluate and adjust your goals or create a whole new goal in order to fit the circumstances in which you're in.
Speaker 1:Right. So the E and the R add to that. This is a cycle. It's not just a straight up and down. It's not like the order of operations, it's not just a straight. I did top, i did middle, i did check, check, check. It's the smart goals are a circle And that's what the ER do. Is they connect it so that you're going around back up to setting new goals?
Speaker 2:That's exactly what it is And then evaluate. Of course, you know you want to look back and review your results And as you're evaluating, you want to identify areas in which you have trouble and which you have struggled Like, say, you know I need you know what's going to help me be more successful with these 20 foot putts because, let's say, this is the first time that you've done it And you're evaluating your form, you're evaluating this and that And you can start to work out the bugs or the kinks in your process, to make yourself more consistent. You know, maybe it's a release point, maybe it's a feeling or a technique that you've run across And that didn't Ella say something about that? Like you don't want to change too many things at once. No, what, what do you? what? No, i asked.
Speaker 1:I asked Holland because they were giving us you know, yeah I was talking to Holland about during the clinic of you know, you're, you're giving us a whole bunch of of tips like all the way through, from you know, start to finish of, of throwing a whole like what do you do? And she's like, well, it's going to be up to you. You get to decide if all you want to do is focus on your putting, focus on your putting. If you feel like you need to change up everything at once, you can. However, then you're not going to know what changed made the difference. So it's, it's kind of up to you that what we're talking about with creating your, your own experiment is. It really is up to you about what you're going to focus on and what you're going to do. However, you can only focus on one thing at a time, just as a human in general, like you, may have three goals. However, you're focusing on one goal at a time.
Speaker 2:So, like multitasking is a myth.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:You. you might be able to juggle several operations, but doing several operations simultaneously is not Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sorry, sorry, teenagers.
Speaker 2:It's not a real thing.
Speaker 1:You're really not multitasking when you're watching YouTube and doing your homework.
Speaker 2:Do your homework. Do your do your smarter goals? That's your homework. Do your smarter goals. You're troubleshooting. You say I need to really work on my release point. I don't like the feel of the disc coming out of my hand. So the next sample that you do with this 20-foot putting, that's the one aspect that you're going to focus on and hopefully that will correlate to your success rate. And it's important also to make a list, list these things out so that you can keep them organized. Jenny and I like to say do it on paper, on purpose. We kind of stole that from Dave Ramsey. But putting the physical action with the idea and the thought creates a muscle memory and a kind of connection that Doesn't exist otherwise and there's, you know, just overall, if you, if you have an intention of doing something, write it down, put it, put it somewhere. There's a reason why we chiseled things in stone for the ages is because it creates Something of significance.
Speaker 1:Well, and if you're like me where you, you tend not to make time to do much of anything Like it forces you to actually sit down and take the time to go through the steps and actually, like you said, put significance to it moving on to the last but not least, the R and smarter.
Speaker 2:This is my favorite one and also my most hated one. The R can either stand for reward or Restart.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say it should be reflect.
Speaker 2:Well, that's kind of what evaluate is.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah, evaluate is looking back and see how it went.
Speaker 1:No, evaluating is going through the the, not the fluffy part of it.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let's let's talk about all three. So. So this kind of ties in with the the let's say reward, restart or reflect This kind of ties in with the accountability piece is there is an incentive at the end if you achieve your goal. Sometimes the Activity is the reward. As George Carlin's once said very wisely, is the activity should be the reward. Like woodworking I love woodworking and Making something and then having that something in that thing that I can show off and that I'm proud of is the reward. Or like cooking Cooking is the same way. You know, i make that hamburger, i make the best hamburger ever and then people enjoy it. That is the reward.
Speaker 1:The reward and the activity are one in the same and that However, the consequence of that reward is that now no one wants to go to the out to eat and you always have to cook.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true, but But so, like disc golf, the, the activity can be. The reward is that if you start sinking your putts from Edge of circle or whatever and your scorecard going goes down and you start winning tournaments, like that could be the reward Inside of the activity. Or the reward could be something like well, if I raise my percentage and I stay consistent at it and I hang out in that area for, let's say, two, three weeks, or if I achieve my goal. Let's just say that if I achieve my goal, either before or at the time frame that I'm giving myself, i can go and get myself that blizzard from Dairy Queen, or I can go and have that Snickers bar, or I can go get my that new disc that I really wanted And reward myself for completing the task. And it doesn't have to be something small, but the psychology behind it is Makes you incentive base and goal-driven, positive achievement driven sometimes it's just even checking it off.
Speaker 2:That's enough like a bucket list thing.
Speaker 1:I don't know, i don't know about bucket list. I'm just thinking of, like, my list of things that need to be done and like check That's done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i mean that reward may be just satisfaction, like having a clean kitchen or Mowing the yard.
Speaker 1:What's a clean kitchen?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know like well, like mowing the yard, having the fresh, the fresh cut grass mill That's kind of the reward, you know. Or being able to sit and have a soda on the front porch. And wildflower lawns are a thing I I am behind this. I like the idea of wildflower.
Speaker 1:I have that recorded? No, I know you do I know? Sometime the reward is just having someone come up and ask you hey, i see you're doing a really good job at this like how did you get there? and Being able to share your journey with someone else like being able to teach. Yeah, because you go through a cycle and the final step is to be able to teach it to someone else.
Speaker 2:So once you're able to teach someone, you fully mastered whatever that thing was well, i feel like being able to teach it Makes you have to go through and work out all the bugs and all the details, so that because you don't want to mislead anybody and so like, if you're, if you're a logic or your Process is off a little bit and you need to teach it to somebody, it Organically causes you to have to work all that stuff out, and the more sometimes, the more you teach it, the better you become at it Too well, the more you teach it to, the more you see different aspects of it And maybe it comes up with more questions, more things you need to figure out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah teaching is learning.
Speaker 1:Like for me with the putting. One thing I wanted to ask Gosh I forget which guy it was, but I really wanted to ask him, like do you practice Like getting down on your knees and having to putt in a weird angle Because it kept happening a lot and I want to say it was Matt Bell, i could totally be wrong, but one of the players, like they kept getting into this precarious position where they had to putt from their knees. It's like, do you actually practice that? Of course I haven't.
Speaker 2:Of course the answer is yes.
Speaker 1:I haven't because it would hurt my knees. Yeah, of course the answer is yes, i'm sure it is.
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they have practiced and worked out every single scenario, seen Hundreds of thousands of shots, if not millions well then I wanted to ask Eagle and I never got to was What makes you decide you're just gonna throw over all the trees instead of through the trees? like, what causes you to make that decision? because he was on, i want to say it was eight Were you going back into the woods on Shelton Mm-hmm? and he decided to throw up over the trees and get into the circle instead of through the trees.
Speaker 2:Or like that huge hyzer line on 16 that everybody kept taking like I've never even thought about that.
Speaker 1:And I thought they were gonna bomb. they were gonna hit the trees all the way further the right, like the top of the trees, like Mine blown Yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:So Trying to get this wrapped up here The art is for reward. We talked about the reward, but also restart. So in your evaluation process, if things went wrong, if the whole thing completely comes apart and goes south, this is the point at which you say wait, no, i need to go back and do it again And and start over, and that evaluate part comes into it, because that troubleshooting is so important to Reconstruct that goal in a way that's gonna make more sense and be more straightforward and practicable. And then you were saying reflect too. What did you mean by reflect?
Speaker 1:so as a Teacher, one of the hardest things for teachers to do is to then reflect on their teaching or reflect on their day, and You can really learn a lot when you take that time at the end of a day or the end of a practice session and Write out your thoughts of you know what went well, what didn't go well, and That's how you become a really good steward of learning yourself is Being able to have that internal discourse and having those conversations of well, what did I learn from today? and Just as much as a lot of people don't like to look at themselves in the mirror Like, this is reflecting on whatever you're practicing, like you're cooking, your artistry, your ability to teach other people, your disc golf, whatever it is. Taking that time, five minutes at the end of the day, to reflect on what happened will, will make huge improvements.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I'm all on board with that. Yeah for sure. So all right, well, we're getting down to the end of it. I'm just gonna rattle off some quick things, real quick, before we end this episode. So Under this heading, i had essentials for Successfully implementing this model, the smarter goals model. I think we did a really good job of taking apart and talking about all the different aspects.
Speaker 1:I think we need to do something before we do that wrap up. Yeah, none of these things are independent. Like I cannot stress this enough when you're coming up with smarter goals, it's not Okay, i'm gonna write a sentence for s. I'm gonna write a sentence for m. I'm not gonna. That's not what it is. It comes out to be like one sentence like this is your Thesis statement that I am going to practice my disc golf putts and And get 10% better at 20 foot putts by June 30th. Like that would be a smarter goal. It's not like five or six different sentences. You're just coming up with one very cohesive thesis statement or a hypothesis, like if you're still questioning yourself like well, can I get 200 putts in in a week? Like I think I can. I'm not sure. Maybe I'm gonna try that out first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, absolutely. Before we wrap up the episode, just real quick here Essentials for successfully implementing the smarter goals model. We mentioned it before. Write it down on paper on purpose. There is some intention, it's a muscle memory, some significance to doing that.
Speaker 1:It could even be. I do keep notes on my phone So you can write stuff on there You can create. If you're a calendar person, put today's the day that I'm gonna have this done by like a calendar reminder. It doesn't have to physically be paper It. There are other ways or electronic?
Speaker 2:do you archive it somehow? I'm sure there's an app. There's probably a smarter goals app somewhere, i'm sure or a goal-setting app I don't go and we can figure that out. But One thing to know essentials for success with this is that it actually requires Action. You have to get off of the couch and do something. These things just don't happen by themselves. You actually have to participate in the activity, engage in the activity in which you are setting yourself out for.
Speaker 2:Next bullet point here is Constantly, consistently keep track of your progress and consistent data to show how your progression progressing. When I was in personal training, the number one what reason why people fail Fail is because and behavior change does not stick is because people do not track their progress. They go from point a to point C and they're like, oh well, it didn't work because blah, blah, blah, they can't see how much they have changed over a period of time. So tracking and Chronically your progress is very important. If you should fail in your goals, use constructive Consequences. You were, you just went to a thing, unlike Ray, restorative Justice, it's kind of this along the same thing.
Speaker 1:I I would completely take back everything you just said and I would say if you don't meet your goal in the allotted timeframe, there's no reason to beat yourself up. It just means you need to restart and do another goal and you have more room for improvement. Well, no, fail.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why we're talking about constructive consequences. Is? you know, if I I don't make my percentage in the six week, if I, if I fall short of my goal, i'm gonna keep going on my goal. However, what do I need to do Constructively next to make sure I attain it next time? So, maybe I need to add 15 minutes to the end of my practice session. Maybe I need to, you know, give myself a bigger motivation, like a bigger reward.
Speaker 1:It's more like you're like if you haven't done anything like this in the if for yourself, you got to give yourself some room to Struggle within your zone of proximal development. So what you're ready for and maybe you don't know, maybe it's not realistic for you to get an hour's worth of practice in every day, maybe it's an hour every An hour total in a week. Maybe that's the most that you can do. So that's where the realistic part comes in is are you able to meet this goal? The only way that you can fail with smart goals is if you just stop doing it at all.
Speaker 2:Well, that's something we always tell the kids is that you're only a failure if you quit.
Speaker 1:And you know, maybe, if you don't meet your goal, maybe you need to focus on a different area.
Speaker 2:Maybe the goal is either too easy or too lofty, and Maybe it's not what you're ready to focus on you said it you said it really well is that all these functions relate to each other and Start small, gain those early successes to build momentum and that confidence. This is the end of our episode. Thank you for listening to the intentional discolfer. This is smarter goals talking about goal setting and how to really engage that deliberate practice process head-on and Put action behind what you're doing. This is Brandon And.
Speaker 1:Jenny. Now I wanted to say that this is the intentional part of our podcast. This is the Where intention really comes out is if you're going to actually go through that. Go through and take the time To actually set up the goals and figure out a plan like that's the intentional part of all of this.
Speaker 2:Doing something as a force of action rather than by accident. See see. So anyway, this is the intentional discolfer our episode on smarter goals. I'm Brandon.
Speaker 1:I'm Jenny, and the children are coming out of the wood.
Speaker 2:We're done So. The children are coming out and we truly believe that disc golf changes lives. So go out there and grow the sport.