Ep 4. DIY Frankenstein: A Sum of Parts

Like the infamous monster of Dr. Frankenstein you are a marriage of intentionally gathered parts. In this episode we discuss those different parts, how to construct your own experiment, collect and interpret data in order to construct a better monster... YOU! 

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DIY Frankenstein: A Sum of Parts

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So, to start us off, I think we should go ahead and tell our listeners what we've been up to the past couple of weeks, starting with what was your tournament that you did recently? My tournament that I, I, the last tournament that I did was the Honeybee [00:03:00] Open? No, no. Horseshoe. Oh yeah. The what was it?

The West Sound Invitational. Yeah. That was, that was a great tournament. It was fun. It was, it was dry. Thank God. Is it, was it the last one out at Horseshoe? It was the last tournament that they're supposedly gonna hold at Horseshoe. Yeah, so sad to see that coast. That course go. Two courses going.

Bye-bye there. Yeah. Nice environment, nice place. I mean, can't say enough good things about it. Shame to see it go. Yeah. And I partook in the ripping in the roadies this past weekend, put on by Taylor Foth, another amazing tournament, as she always does. Had a great time up there in the hail, the rain and the wind.

It was, yeah, we got to do some belaying with some ropes down the sides of whole seven and eight, I believe it is, as we normally do. Seven, seven and eight. Yep. So had a treacherous. So we've both had a couple of tournaments in our [00:04:00] pockets over the past couple of weeks. And a shout out to rain shadow disc golf course up there.

That place is amazing. I don't know how, it's not like the number one course in Washington. It's so cool. And if you hadn't had a chance to get up there make a PIL pilgrimage up to Quim Washington and play the rain shadow disk golf course up in Blin. Uhlin. Yeah. So we spent the past couple of weeks working on some.

Deliberate practice. I always want to call it intentional. It's innate practice and, and deliberate talent. That is what that was. Yeah. I always wanna call it the wrong thing. So this episode, this is our Frankenstein episode. So Frankenstein was a sum of his parts and were put together selectively and intentionally to create a greater hole.

Wow. You just took that whole thing out. You just crushed it. Like my, like my, that circle two putt. Ah,[00:05:00] 

my first thought was actually was Aubrey, we got to play with our, the one junior who made it this past weekend to rip in the roadies. She's a hoot and she's the karate disc golfer. Oh, she is all personality. She's like Pusha. Yeah. She's all personality. It was so much fun to play with her, see her play.

That was really cool. Anyways, so why we're gonna call this the Frankenstein episode is that if I was to create a Frankenstein creature, It would be very different than the Frankenstein creature that you would create, right, Brandon? Possibly, because I have, of course, different ulterior motives and different things that I would want to see in an ideal construct.

Right? So Frankenstein is different for each person in a way, right? Well, every, everybody's body is a little bit different. Everybody's mindset is a little bit different. Everybody's comfortabilities range of motion is a little bit different and also will change over [00:06:00] time. As you train and become more flexible stronger, and all of these different things and incorporating the principles of deliberate practice that change will become intentional over time.

All right, so to go back to Frankenstein, Frankenstein, think of Frankenstein as your disc golf game, Brandon. My disc golf game. Your disc golf game. Okay. What part of Frankenstein would you build first? What part of Frankenstein would I build first? Yeah, if I, if I, you you're saying, okay. So relate, relate this to like, parts of the game.

Yeah. I'd probably build the heart. Why?

Because, great question. I'd probably start with the heart because the heart is everything. [00:07:00] It's, you know when, when I talk to the kids, you, you've been around for many of these fatherly advice speeches. It's follow your passion, follow what you love doing, and everything else will take care of itself.

And it's so true with this golf too. If, if you don't love what you're doing, you're not gonna go out there and practice. You're not going to go out there and go through the grind and play the tournaments in the rain and hail and snow and all heck, break and loose. You're not going to put up with the obnoxious card mates.

You're not going to For what? There's no such thing as obnoxious card mates. I know. You know, and, and, and also that, that heart and that engagement also breeds the discipline to go in and work the process and continue learning about it. So I think the heart is the most important part, and that's the part that has to be in place in, in order for you to go [00:08:00] anywhere.

I find that an interesting pick because that's pretty much the last part of Frankenstein that gets working. Because they have to shock him to life to get his heart to work. So it's like that's the first thing you would go for. And it's almost the last thing that in the actual monster. Well fair enough.

I mean, I can see where you're going with that. Yeah. So that's what I'm trying to get at with how is Frankenstein related to disc golf? But wouldn't, wouldn't, you wouldn't j but like Frankenstein, much like your body. I mean, there's two parts of the body that your entire body is based around, and that has the heart and the brain.

Everything else is a subsystem of that pretty much. Right. So I would start, I would start with the heart, and then I would bring in the brain and build the rest of the monster around it because I, I have the heart which keeps me going. And then I have the brain that keeps me keeps me learning and is, is my storage system so [00:09:00] that I can grow and grow and grow.

So I guess heart is the passion and brain is the growth. All right. I'm gonna challenge you a little bit more with the Frankenstein question. Okay. Go ahead. All right. So remember those books where it was like the, you get to choose the animal head, the animal like torso, and then like the animal legs. You know what I'm talking about?

Okay. It was like the flip book and it was like a cow, a donkey and a horse. Okay. Okay. So you get the, the head, the torso, and then the legs. Okay. Build your perfect disc golfer. Build my perfect disc golfer. Yeah. Oh boy. Like just physique and mechanical wise, or, I mean, Well, I'm challenging you with what you've watched.

Yeah. I just, I, you know, I, we watch a lot of the pros and things and it's it's good to see, you know it can even be people that we know and people that we know. I mean, what is the perfect disc golfer? Because you, [00:10:00] we've seen all types. I mean, we were watching the tour and there's that guy on there that looks like Arnold Schwartzenegger and he the guy, yeah, he looks like he just came out of the gym and went to the course.

Like he's huge. You remember that one video we watched where it was like four guys? I think they were all from like Inova or something. Yeah. And they were all trying to show how to do the distance drive. Yeah. And I was like, okay, so there's the, the nerd, there's the guy who missed leg day, there's this and that, and it, it's totally, that was hilarious.

It was from Disc Craft. They're all Disc craft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I think his name is Ezra. Is that his name? Something like, something like the one that you said was the Arnold Schwarzenegger. The guy, the guy looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Right? He's, he's just freaking ripped. And of course he's in a long drive conversation.

But then you take, you take someone like that. And then I go to the opposite of that and [00:11:00] someone that we know who's like, you know, one of the smaller in stature people that I've ever seen is like Danielle and she's, she's a professional and she can th she can outdrive me by a mile. Yeah. And it's like, okay, I'm, I'm a big guy.

Like I'm not, I'm not necessarily slouching on the muscle. I'm not some skinny little thing, you know, I should be able to huck a disc and she can outdrive me and she's, I probably got a hundred, 120 pounds. Yeah. E easily, easily, like, easily. Or like, take for example, Gann bur gann Bur is one of the biggest throwers, and he's just this scrawny little lanky kid.

The one thing I have noticed about every single professional dis golfer is that from the waist down, they are absolutely ripped. Like their legs are, you know, they're quads, you know, everything below the waist is just toned and [00:12:00] strong. And, and I, I'm gonna jump in on that and say this golfing in Washington, especially this spring, you wouldn't know that, especially the women because they're all wearing like, their, their, their mountains snow pants.

Yeah. And you have no idea. Oh yeah. There's, there's a lot of layers. Yeah, there are. It's like an onion.

Yeah, so I mean, I really don't think there is a perfect disc golfer. It was a challenge for you. Like, you're not gonna get out of it if I'm try. Oh, come on. Or no lovely speech. You still gotta answer the question. It's like skill or like physique. I don't know. It's your Frankenstein. Build your perfect disc golfer.

Build my perfect disc golfer, huh? I think it'd be somebody that had probably good arm length to be able to put together that whipping action. And, and good. A lot. Nice like torque on the disc. Upper body [00:13:00] probably should be fairly fit and toned, but being super huge like Arnold Schwartzenegger is not necessary. The lower half. However, it should definitely be worked on and have some muscle mass. So pick someone. I don't pick, pick, pick a. I don't. I don't know. So here, let me give you an example.

I feel like really backed into a corner right now. Good. Okay. This is good for you. Flipping the tables. All right. So this would be my example of, take it a flipping tables, that freaking guy, right? Yeah, right. Huge

All right, so if I was to pick a perfect disc golfer, I'm gonna go off of the people that I've played with. Recently. So for the mindset, the upper, the head part, the head game. Okay. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Kayla because Kayla cracks me up. She can have the worst shots ever and it is hilarious and it really doesn't affect her game.

[00:14:00] I, whenever we play with Kayla I haven't actually like played with her. She's been on your card, not been catty guy. Right. But whenever we play with her, I like, I'm always dying laughing by the end of the round. Yeah. She cracks me up. It, it's so, she is so funny and it was the first throw ripping in the roadies, I wanna say.

She throws, it hits a tree and before like she's like, don't you dare hit the tree. So I would go with Kayla for, for that part. And then I was thinking for like the upper body throw, I got a chance to see Allison play when we were back up. Allison Mavt. Oh Prescott's wife. Yeah. Okay. Shout out to Allison and Prescott.

Hi guys. Yeah, they're great people. But Allison watching her, you're talking about how the, the pros, they don't throw what you would consider to be the typical line. It was, it's this like 45 degree corner. There's Mando and she just shot that straight up and [00:15:00] over all the trees. Like these are big trees we live in Washington.

Shot it over the big trees and landed in, and, and stature wise, Allison is not the biggest person either. Yeah. Her and Danielle did the same thing just about. Yeah. Yeah. And I would've expected to see that from Jennifer, who was the bigger lady in that group, cuz she has more of the like, muscular build.

Yeah. But she took a different line and didn't even try and go over the, the top a little safer route Yeah. Type of thing. Yeah. So then it takes, it takes all types. And then for the legs part, I would, I would say Melissa, Because she has been focusing on just having that flat, that very stable line and then like a solid base.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, so you, you're talking from like a technical sta standpoint, like who has the best technique? You can build your Frankenstein however you want. Okay. So that, that was mine. Well, I, [00:16:00] I think from like physical stature, I think that Arnold Schwartzenegger dude is probably the guy that I would pick and then I'd take G Burr's arms and or Ricky Wiki's arms and stick him on that guy.

Right? But then you wouldn't be the Arnold Schwartzenegger guy anymore. Well see, like I remember when I was playing in, you know, when I was playing professional sports depending on what position you're playing, you didn't want to bulk up like that effort because it will actually inhibit your range of motion.

You know, I feel like the guy's arms are way too big for the sport. And it actually creates another fulcrum in his elbow that can cause his elbow to se separate. So he's gonna have to compensate for that somehow, and that will, that's gonna affect his throw and how much spin and torque that he's gonna put on it, and in how he throws.

So I don't feel like that's the ideal situation. Maybe for the arms, you know, but for the rest of the body. The guy's, the guy's buff, like, he's in great shape. [00:17:00] He's incredibly muscular, incredibly you know, low body fat and efficient. Okay. You're spending an awful lot of time talking about this one guy.

Well, the guy's, the guy's got the, the guy has a great su succeed. Wait, you would take that baseball player and make him play disc golf? What's your baseball player? That one that can like, do, do everything that one guy, Soheil Tani. Yeah, that guy. Oh dude, that guy, that guy's, that guy's my baseball crush. I mean, just talk about Soge.

Yeah. It, it, I want to build the soge otani of disc golf. Like for exam, if you guys don't know who we're talking about, he plays for the angels. This guy came over from Japan. He's like, I don't know exactly how tall it is, but he's tall. He's like six four. Six six something. He's tall, right? The guy is, got a great physique, great range of motion fantastic mentality and attitude.

You know, he can go out on the pitching mound and throw seven innings and then get behind [00:18:00] the plate and belt a couple home runs. And Isn't he ambidextrous any? No, I don't think he's ambass. I'm not. I can't, I, I'm not sure. But you know, the thing is, is that a pitcher is not supposed to be able to do that.

Go out and strike out 10 guys and then go hit two home runs in a game. Like that's unheard of. The guy is a generational talent. Okay, we get it. Yeah. I mean, he's really the perfect Frankenstein for baseball. So who's my soge o otani of disc golf? Hmm. No, I was saying you would just take him and make him play disc golf.

Maybe. Maybe. But then it's not Frankenstein. If you just take someone the way that they are, then it's not Frankenstein anymore. Well, but you maybe that, maybe that lends to something a whole lot better than Frankenstein. Oh gosh. I mean maybe. Maybe it takes the idea of, hey, you can [00:19:00] be your own monster. You can put all these different pieces and parts together for yourself.

And create something that is functional and effective. Well, that's the entire idea behind this podcast, is for us to get to that point where we realize that, you know what? We can watch these Arnold Schwartzenegger guys and the way that they play, and that's their game. It's not our game. We can get glean little bits and pieces from watching them.

And like you and I, we watch a lot of the same YouTube videos to try and get better at putting or driving or whatever it is, and we each pull something different from those videos. And so what I need to be a good disc golfer is not the same as what you need to be a good disc golfer. Well, like for example, I watched this great documentary a while ago on, I believe it was Greg Norman, the ball golfer.

And he was tearing it up like he was winning major championships and all [00:20:00] sorts of tournaments and stuff. And he actually like got out of ball golfing for a while and then it came up to the the one they have at St. Andy's, the one in Ireland. We just saw a thing, I forget what it is. Anyway, it's a major championship at St.

Andy's over in Ireland, the birthplace of ball golf and in many ways kind of the birthplace of disc golf because that's where golf. Was born, isn't it? St. Andrews. St. Andrews. Yeah. Not St. Andy's. Well, they, yeah. Slang, golfer. Golfer terms, you know. No, but anyway no, he he was out of the game for a while and outta shape and all, and then this big tournament came up, which only comes up every so often over at St.

Andrews. And he enters it and he's like well, you know, I see all the young guys on tour and they're doing this, and they're very, very accustomed to American style golf as where? He's an old champion, has that experience and that [00:21:00] wisdom. Maybe not the power, maybe not the flexibility in things that he used to have.

However, he had the wisdom and the experience to go out on an old school links course and he actually won the championship, that tournament against the likes of, you know, some of these other major, you know, young talents that are, are coming up and winning all these tournaments. And that's because you don't have to be the longest driver.

You don't have to be the strongest, you don't have to be, you just have to, you have to play your game and you have to play it well, and that was kind of a long way to get there. But Jen, Jenny, you know, there, there was a point to that is that, you know, the best game that you can play is your game. Yep. And that's how you're gonna be mo most effective and that's how you're gonna win tournaments.

Yep. If I if I try and play someone else's game, which I have done, I won't lie. Being in a, in a competition's like, what's going wrong? It's like, oh, well that's working for them. Well, I'm gonna try [00:22:00] that. Yeah, that didn't work. Well, that's my biggest problem in tournaments is that I get, I get with a group of fellas and you know, they're all out driving me.

They're all, you know, playing substantially better than me. I always get stuck on the card with the guys that finish like first and second, even though I'm, I suck. It's, it's a sign from the universe. You should be playing with the first place people. However, however, it's like I see them out driving me.

I see them hitting these impossible lines. I see them doing these great like layup shots, sinking these big putts. And that puts me in the mindset of, oh, I have to do that too. And then when I start trying to do that, that is well beyond my skill level at this point. And I end up screwing up and I end up getting myself into trouble.

Well, I wanna say the biggest example that we had of that was playing with. The two kids when we were doing league at Freddy's mm-hmm. And they were just throwing these crazy bomber shots that are just like up and over everything. It's like, at that point for [00:23:00] me, I was like, how can you go that way?

Like, the line is this way, you have to follow the line. It's like, well, no, you don't. It just has to go improve your lie. Oh. So you can go over all the trees. It's just more like a hope and a prayer, but for those teenage boys with those arms, like, it just, yeah. You'll, you, you come into this like, I, I feel like you get some, when you're playing on your own or with the same group of people for a while, you can tend to get this like tunnel vision of like, this is the way that the course is supposed to be played.

And then you play with a different set of people and they do it a completely different way. Mm-hmm. And it just blows your mind. Mm-hmm. You know? And. It kind of, kind of like brings me back to the very, very raw side of the rules is that you must propel your disc in an effort to impro in an effort to improve your lie.

It doesn't matter how you [00:24:00] improve it, it's not even if you improve it, cuz sometimes you hit a tree and go backwards. It's in an effort to improve your lie. And that doesn't mean that you have to play the fairway. The Exactly. It's the way it's gonna be. Like, like Allison and Danielle for example, throwing those huge Anheuser bombs over the over the trees and landing like three quarters of the way down the fairway.

Yeah. Yeah. That was crazy. Well, I, I started doing that recently just as an experiment and. Both times that I've done it have turned my lie and position has been significantly better than the traditional way that I've played, even though I'm back in the woods a little bit, I'm, I'm still halfway through the stupid tunnel and have a better look at the basket.

Yeah. And that's kind of what I was doing today with my, was trying to throw it in a different way and it, it panned out pretty good to throw that disc differently. Yeah. That was a heck of an idea. Like, I, I, you know, I was [00:25:00] trying to figure out like, what are you gonna, and then you pulled out your road runner.

I'm like, that's genius. Using that, that speed advantage or disadvantage to be able to shape the shot the way you wanted it to. Mm-hmm. That was really smart. Yeah. And it worked out. Yeah. So anyways, back to why is this the Frankenstein episode? Episode? Get, get to it eventually. Whoa. So we'll figure it out eventually.

Jesus Frankenstein is a collection of parts. That were found, that were available, and that worked for the intended purpose. And we are a conglomerate of all the information that we've learned, the skills that we practice, the things that we do on a regular basis. So we are our own experiment. And that was the point of this episode, is that as disc golfers, everybody's game is different.

And it's not a team sport. It can be, however, it's more like a relay race than say, a soccer team. [00:26:00] Because in a relay race, you put your fastest person in these certain places, your person who's you know you can rely on is in this place. And so it's more of a relay team than a soccer. Well, even in team sports, I mean, that's what my background has been with team sports is you still want to be the strongest individual player that you can possibly be because the team is relying on you to do that.

And you know, it, it was, you know, like you don't want to be the pitcher that gives up the home run in the ninth inning. Right. You know, you don't want to be the guy that fumbles the ball on the one yard line. In the same, in disc golf, you don't want to be the one that, you know, if you're playing team golf, which is a thing or, or dubs or something you know, you don't want to be the one that misses that 10 foot putt to win the card.

Well, but for the most part, disc golf, like we don't see a lot of the [00:27:00] team sport. It's more the singles tournaments that we see that we do. Yeah. There's, there's still, those are the ones that we do, but there are still team-based events out there. Right. There are, however, Where we live, what we see, the majority of it, the, the mainstream stuff is the singles.

Yeah. Well we're talking about being a you know, amalgamation of all the different parts and we just, we hope that the intentional dis golfer will become one of those parts for you and something that you can rely on and a quality entertainment and broadcast piece. Totally cut that part out. So what I was saying, this is your snap sign.

Cut it out. Snap sign. So what I was trying to get at is, so it's mostly singles, so you need to take the time to figure out what works for you, what works for your game, and what parts you need to change. And you could be at a point in your game where everything seems to be working well. So maybe you decide I want to try a new [00:28:00] disc, or I wanna try new shoes, or I wanna try a new shot shape.

And those are all things that you can decide to make minute changes that don't make a huge impact on your game. Maybe they do, maybe they don't. Depends on how you decide to use that information that you gain from doing those tests. Well, that's, that's one of the things with golf though, is that even the minute changes have big outcomes.

And, and I think that's what people appreciate it. And another, another thing that, you know, I'm thinking about this here, is that there is no real ceiling to, to, to the skills in golf. And that's part of the allure to it, is that you can keep going and going and going and going until you have the elusive, you're acing every single hole.

Well, that's never been done. And well, maybe it, it never will. Who knows? But there is no, there is really no performance ceiling to golf. And that's one of the, the cool things about it, I [00:29:00] think is the sky's the limit. Have you heard of the glitch? The glitch? Oh, that disc. It does some of the craziest things.

Yeah. So anyways, so thinking of the scientific method, science teacher here. Science teacher, yeah. So you have to have a control and then you have whatever it is that you change. So I strongly recommend that you don't change everything at once. Because if you change your walkup, your throw, your angle, your disc, your shoes, your nails, everything, like you change it all at once.

You have no idea what made the difference. Well, so I recommend changing one thing at a time, getting some information from that change and then see what happens. Well, we were watching that trash panda guy. And he was trying to change his when he was petting and he was trying, like the top 10 tips he got from No, that's was, it was, he was, he was trying to adjust his form to try to throw flatter and straighter cuz he is always, he's talking about how he always used to throw heiser [00:30:00] flips and that was his, he goes, I'm out, throw a heiser flip and every shot I throw is gonna be either a heis or bomb heiser bend, heiser flip, heiser, heiser, heiser.

And then he went online and did some research and found like, you know, five or six different things that he could do to be able to throw flatter in straighter. And he decided to work on one of them each day for seven days. And then like the last day he went out and played around with hi, what he figured out.

And by day three or four, he was having troubles, keeping all that information straight and being able to incorporate all of the elements of what he had learned. Right. So he was changing one thing. And then adding on another change and adding on another change, which is what you recommended to me as well.

And he put it really well in that video. And I think that's where it finally made sense to you, where I'm like, Hey, I'm on information overload. I can't remember the walk up, put my foot here, do that, turn my hip, throw the disc. Well, because [00:31:00] it was just, it was information overload. Yeah. Like he was, he was good for two or three days and then on in day four or three and a half or something, he was like, I just, I'm having trouble, like trying to put everything together.

And that was, that was, I guess his learning barrier is that he had to incorporate, or he had to assimilate all those different things before he could move on to the next thing. Right? Yeah. And that's, that's what I recommend is you. Do a few things at a time. I thought you were talking about the episode where he was putting, cuz that's the one where it clicked for me is he took, like you said, research got like 10 tips and he did like 10 to 50 throws using whatever that tip was.

Yes. And tried a different tip and, and just kept doing the different throws to see if anything actually made a difference. And that's another way to collect information, is to be the only thing that he changed is whatever that tip [00:32:00] was with his putting. So everything else, he kept the same. And that's how he was able to do the, the, the one two, where you look at it for only really quick and then throw.

And that, that was the tip that hit for me too. A, as an athletic coach and as like a personal trainer, the body is so interconnected that it's really difficult to just do one thing because it's connected to this thing and this thing and this thing, and all these pieces have to fit together. And if they don't fit together just right, then the whole system is gonna break down and not work.

Right. I think that's over complicating it, to be honest for me. Well, no, and that's, that's just my, that's just my gut feeling because you know, if you, let's say for example, we've been working on your, your stationary throws. We kind of started back at the basics. Well, that's, I was gonna actually say that.

You know, the other thing is that sometimes you just get to a point where [00:33:00] you're like, nothing's working, and so you just completely push the reset button, which is you, you can start over and try and go back to. Not really knowing anything and just trying to rework everything that you've done. And that works for some people, but for the most part, if you already have a lot working for you in your game, just change a few little things at a time.

Yeah, a few little things at at a time. One, one of the pitfalls of being like self-taught is you create some bad habits early on and you get comfortable with those bad habits, and then when you get to this point where you want to progress and get better, you have to go back and unlearn those bad habits.

So whatever you do to overlap or eliminate that bad habit, it's always gonna feel unnatural and uncomfortable to you for a very, very long time. It'll become easier and easier, but you will still have that. It's on the upper end of your zone of [00:34:00] proximal development. That's where it's getting to the point of discomfort.

As long as it gets to the point of where you don't feel like you have to stop. Because you're so frustrated and overwhelmed, that means that you've gone past what you're ready for. So anyway, you were talking about, I was talking about, well, we keep going off on these great tangents and it's awesome conversation.

Okay. So you scientific method you were talking about. Yeah, we were talking about me. Be you. Mm-hmm. Let's talk about you.

Oh my goodness. So we were talking about that. So part of the deliberate, deliberate practice, I will get that word right, one of these days. We'll figure it out. We'll be fine. The deliberate practice is this past week was spring break, so we had a lot of extra time to play and we followed Paul's advice of play every day.

And we did, we played seven out of eight days actually out on the course, [00:35:00] either just us or with the kids. Those, well those in addition, in addition to being out on the course, we also did practice here at home, and that's what I was gonna get at is that the week before we started doing a lot more deliberate practice with actually going out and doing field work.

And because my putting league started, so I've been doing the putting league practice and getting the kids involved on that too. So there's a little at home competition, but with my game, I had to. I don't even remember when we decided to start changing things. Oh, it was the hand thing. And so you're like, I saw this guy on there and when he did his reach back, the disc was flat, like straight up and down so that when he pulled through, it was closer to his chest.

It was G Burr. Okay. You never told me who it was. It g g Burr was doing what? Taught that. Okay. So anyways, you're like, try this cuz we met out at the [00:36:00] field. And so I tried that and that was one of the first times I was able to get the disc like closer and, and able to drive better because I got, I was finally able to get some reach through and closer to the body and able to stay on my line a little bit better.

Well, you know no, I, I remember this a lot. I, I wanted. If you allow me, I'll go back further. You were, you were playing, I can't remember if it was a tournament or It was a honeybee. It was a honeybee. Mm-hmm. It was at the honeybee. And it, you know, aside from the weather being a, a challenging aspect you were, you were just eating your lunch like you were getting your lunch handed to you in, in a bad way.

I was gonna say, all of your bad things have to do with lunch. I know. I'm a lunch guy. Is lunch bad for you? Like lunch is a bad thing. No, you were just getting, you were getting handed your lunch. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. And everyone gets it. I was playing bad, playing poorly. Well, it wasn't even bad. It was the [00:37:00] worst you've ever done on any round, ever.

No, it wasn't. It was nu-uh. You were what, 20 or 30 over at Ned? It was still better than when I started. It was way better than when you started. There you go. Okay. And I even improved it rain shadow by nine points You did from last year. Oh yeah. So let's rewind a little bit. You, let's, let's start this story over.

You were playing at the honeybee open, and I remember this because it was like a big, it was be like, eh, for me, nothing was going right. You made it through the tournament, you still did better than you had before. You improved a little bit. You hadn't been progressing and moving forward as fast and, and as intentionally as you wanted to.

Yeah. It kind of hit a slump since the July. Yeah. Like, like a batter, hits a slump. You know, Jenny has been on a, on a, quite a bit of a slump, and she's not, at least in tournaments. Well, and part of, and part of that's diminishing returns [00:38:00] too, and we're gonna, we're gonna talk about that in a later episode, is diminish the law of diminishing returns is you, when you, it's called beginner's.

Luck is another word for it. So when you, when you first start an activity, your ability to improve the. How do you explain this? It's the learning curve that when you learning, you start to learn something, you learn it quickly, and then it takes a while to learn anything after that. However, the ceiling for the amount of stuff that you can learn, the, the capacity for the amount of stuff that you can learn becomes smaller and smaller and smaller as you learn more.

So as you learn a new skill, as you keep progressing, you go from progressing 10 shots at a time to progressing three or four, and then when you get really good, it's to progressing, you know, 4, 3, 2. And then you're gonna stay kind of in that two to one, you know, two, one or two shot zone. As you become very proficient.[00:39:00] 

But it's diminishing returns, is that the better you get, the less room for growth you're gonna have. Yeah. It's like the, the kids in what students, when you test them, the, the kids that have. Are really good at same math, like they're not gonna learn as much from you as the kids that are really awful at math because they have more ability to grow.

Yeah. Yeah. Or that's why I like working with the kids that need interventions. Yeah. Or th think of like a, a you know, the, like a glass full of water if you, you know, if you pour, if you have a glass with some water in it and it's only got a little bit of water in it, there's a lot more space you can fill there as opposed to a glass that's already three quarters of the way full.

You can still fill some space, but it's not gonna hold as much volume as. The previous class? Well, so we, Jenny was getting her butt kicked at this tournament and she hadn't been progressing. She'd [00:40:00] played several practice rounds, several tournaments before that and had not been progressing on the trajectory that she is been wanting to progress.

And, and, and this was the one where she finally snapped and said, okay, I'll listen. Cause I, I've tried, I've tried to co I've tried to coach her before and it's been just, oh, it was utter desperation. It's been, that's what moment was, it was utter desperation. No, that's why I've, she blacked it out. She finally gave up and gave in, was like, okay, all, listen, help me because obviously there's something working for you that's not working for me, and I need to tap into that.

Yep. I remember that moment. It takes, it's sad, it takes a great deal of humility to be able to. Let a coach or an instructor take, take, you know, trust them implicitly to make changes to your different techniques and things. And, and it, and [00:41:00] for some people it's very personal because it's their body.

It's the way they learned how to do things well, and it's, it's very, they're attached, there's an a lot of emotional attachment to it. Well, it's not even just that. It's, it's, they, it's automatic defensiveness because you're going in that place of, okay, what's wrong with me? Like, fix what's wrong, and then seeing all the things that are wrong.

Like, that's part of it. But the other thing, I don't know what's, which part is harder to do? If it's harder to be humble and let a coach help you, or if it's harder to videotape yourself and then critique yourself. And make those changes because I've, I've had to do that one with teaching. That's part of getting your national board is you have to videotape yourself and critique your teaching, and it's known as the hardest thing in the world to do.

It's like the thing that makes you not want to be a teacher again. So going through that, [00:42:00] like I haven't been able to bring myself to do that with disc golf. And where does that knowledge come from? What knowledge? That knowledge of what to do and how to get better? Where does that come from? Experience and who's experience?

Oh, I, I guess the, anyone, the point anyone's experience, I guess depends on what you hear. Depends on what you watch, depends on what you, what you look for, like I'm saying, is that there's, there's a couple ways you can go about it. If you have someone that you can have coach you, you know, you can get help from them and have them coach you, but if you don't, you can videotape yourself and look at things that.

You notice either inconsistencies or things that you think go well and, and it all comes down to researching other things. Okay. You, you, you're getting closer to what I'm getting towards. Where does that knowledge come from? God, it doesn't come from God. It Well, maybe, but I was channeling James. Sorry.

It's, if that's, I mean if, [00:43:00] hey, if disk golf god's the squirrels, if that's your thing no, it's, everybody has learned from the person that came before them. There's a sta there's a saying that there are no original ideas. We have only just stood on the shoulders of giants before. So your knowledge when you go and critique yourself in the video, let's say you've never taken a disc golf less, never taken an ounce of descri of instruction, never watched any kind of YouTube videos on it, and then you videotape yourself throwing a disc, trying to critique yourself.

What do you look, how do you know what to look for? How do you know what you're looking for? How do you know what's correct and incorrect? You have to have some sort of information gained before that, and that has to come from somebody that has done it before you. And that's what coaching is, is just a study of best practice and a coach will help you adapt that best practice to [00:44:00] something that works for you, right?

But not everyone is equipped with the ability to have a live-in coach or listen to the live-in coach that they're married to. So there are other things you can do there. There are other things you can do. And that kind, that kind of leads on a, a important point about, you know coaching. A lot of coaching, a lot of coaches are very like, no, this is how you do it.

This is how you know it's done. You have to do it this way because this is how this guy does it, or whatever. As far as coaching goes, I, I don't subscribe to that. I say, if it doesn't work for you, change it. If it doesn't work for you, let's catch the fundamental points and let's adapt it to something that will work for you.

Cuz the most important thing is that the disc goes from the tea padd to the basket. In the fest strokes possible. That's the most important thing. I don't care how it gets there, it just needs to get there and as, and as few strokes possible. Well, and that's where we could go [00:45:00] into collecting data with the strokes.

Because there's actually, just because you make it in less strokes doesn't mean that you've really learned anything. And that can kind of be a vanity metric, like your number of birdies is a vanity metric. Well, you could just be having a good day that day. Yeah. It doesn't really tell you anything. It's just you made it in one less stroke than what is par.

Yeah. I, I mean, I, I'm a big fan of data. Jenny, Jenny being math teacher and also you know, kind of a statistician in, in herself. She is the data guru. If you really like data, I read on my Kindle, it was a Disc Golf Data Becoming a Better Disc Golfer by Chris Botin. There were so many different things that you could quantify that were things.

Like knowing that if you go look for a lost disc, yours, someone else's, [00:46:00] how does that affect your next throw? And so like today you threw your fire flower. Oh God. Yep. That one. And I was like, okay, we need to look for it, but I wanna finish this hole before we go look for it. Because I knew that that was going to affect my next throw, which was a smart tactical play on your part.

That was very smart. And that's because I know that my tendency is okay if I can, I'm gonna say, Hey, can I do this next, do this next throw like in a tournament. It's like, can I do this next throw? And then I'll come. And so that way I can finish this up and then get in that mindset and prepare myself for that next throw.

Yeah. And I ju I gotta talk about that shot. It was hilarious. So we're, we're out at NAB doing a practice round, and it is just pouring down rain. We're like the only people on the course at this point. Yeah. And my disc was so wet and slippery. I've been having [00:47:00] trouble with my side arm lately, still am, still am having trouble with my side arm.

And this thing came outta my hand, like a lame duck, like a duck with one wing. And it just, it flew off to the side and was nose up and sideways and disappeared into a bush. And I'm gonna say the awful part is that it's the other side of the, the hole where there was the dead owl last week. It was, it was so bad that I had to laugh at it.

You're like, this one's coming out of the bag. This might be coming out of the bag. I don't know. Here you're in timeout disk. Yeah. Yeah. So, but there are so many different things that you can get data from. One that I really want to do that I haven't taken the time to do is to look at the tuiles on the basket.

When you're putting tuiles. Yeah. So you have the imagine your basket. Basket and you're gonna cut it into [00:48:00] thirds. Thirds. So you have the basket and like the middle. And so there's like nine boxes. Oh. Like that tic-tac toe thing you said you did? Yes. That's it. Okay. The tic-tac toe thing. And trying to figure out when you're putting, where are you missing?

So what's the tic-tac toe thing? Can you explain that to our listeners? So it's the, it's eh, imagine a tic-tac toe board and you put it up against your disc golf basket. And it's like the, the top of it is the, what's it? The, the top called The collar? Yeah. The top of it is the collar, the bottom of it's the basket, the top of the basket, the bottom, top of the basket.

The sides. So you, you split it. So there's above the, above the collar, middle, and then below the basket, and then to the left and right are the sides of the basket. So when you're putting there should, there's a grid of nine boxes. [00:49:00] And where are you missing? Are you hitting the collar, like at the very top in the middle?

Are you going I tend to go miss it on the right kind of in that, that above the collar. That's where I miss a lot is up there to the right, the upper right quadrant. Not even teil. The upper right. Teil. Yeah. Okay. Because it's, Third of it's the tic-tac toe board. So the middle third would be like the middle third, the third of the basket.

But then like the outside thirds on the right and left would actually cover a small area outside of the basket. Yeah. So that you can track your misses as well. Right. All right. Yeah. Oh, okay. And so, and then, so then likewise. I just saw a light bulb coming. I know. Light bulb. So then likewise, you know, going on the horizontal Yeah.

Is that you would, okay. It's like how you keep hitting the color. Like you could collect that data. I keep hitting the color cuz my disc is too [00:50:00] light cuz I, I've got stronger and now my light putter is too. And so well, and and also cuz I've been doing a lot, when I have been missing, now I'm hitting the basket more than I was before.

Like in our games that we play Well, you're putting has really come along nicely. Honestly. I appreciate that honestly. But what I'm saying is that's, that's one thing that I really want to be able to do. I just haven't taken the time to do that. Just creating a map. Well, I was, I want to go back to something I was gonna ask you.

You mentioned something called Vanity metrics and it, it bounced me back to what we close the lap last episode with is the quote from Einstein is that you can't always measure the things that matter. So in the book, the data the disk golf data book, he talks about five, roughly five different types of metrics.

So there's vanity metrics, equipment [00:51:00] metrics, practice metrics, course metrics. And then he goes specifically into. Putting as separate data points entirely. So vanity metrics is a metric that makes you look good, but does not correlate to lower scores or provide actionable insights. So would you say that like my end of the day round score is not necessarily viable feedback?

I'm gonna say, so we've started with, because we use U disk and we score every round that we play. I don't think we've played a single round. We haven't scored since we started, since we started scoring them. No, we've, we've scored and kept that on it. Yeah. Every one as, as much as possible anyway.

Right. But we've started using the, the part of U disk where you can actually measure your throws. And I think that data, once we get more and it's a little more accurate, Because with the phones, it's, and where we play, it's not [00:52:00] necessarily accurate, but I think we'll get better data from that of what discs are we throwing?

Well, with accuracy versus just the fact that our scores are going up or down. Yeah. So the, the end of the day scored, if you were going to use that as a metric, you're going to have to, it's not specific enough to really spit out, well, how did I get there? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then equipment, metrics, obviously metrics that measure and focus on your equipment rather than your performance.

So that would be how, if you're one of those people that kind of plays your own, like single best shot or maybe you throw two, three, maybe every disc in your bag on a drive just to see what it does, and then decide which one is the best one. Like that would be an example of equipment metrics. Okay. So like, That one time when I was out practicing putting with that box full of [00:53:00] putters that we have, and I was like, you know, I should, I should really keep track of how, how men, how often each individual putter goes into the basket because I might be puting with the wrong putter.

Yeah. I'm pretty bummed when I'm practicing putting and my main putters aren't the ones in the basket. Yeah, they're, and that's why actually with the putting league I s I went down to 10 specific discs and those are the main 10 that I use for putting league. Yeah. Because they're 10 that I would be more inclined to put in my bag.

Like today I found out that my envy is not very effective in the rain. I better switch to my No. Your envys in trouble. My envy is in timeout. It, it was not. And then you threw mine and it rolled a heck of a long way. Well, that's what happens with your discs as they hit the collar and they roll out. Said, Ooh.

Said [00:54:00] my discs and my dicer cursed. I need to stage 'em. Yeah. You smudge our bags before next tournament. Yeah. If there is, if they dry. Yeah. With as wet as it was out there today, it's gonna be a week before any of that stuff's dry. Well, and that's also why we bought the black hole basket. Which one?

For, for putting league. Yeah. You convinced me that I needed to get a black hole. Because we have a marksman, which you won at Ladies of the Lake. Yay. You won the marksman there. There were so many people that were ticked about that. I know. It was the only thing that we won. I know. And then we have the basket from Costco and you're, I was gonna put on the marksman, and you're like, no, it's gonna be a huge disadvantage for putting league.

So that's again, a part of the equipment metrics. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, you say equipment, the difference between the baskets, I've been practicing [00:55:00] almost exclusively on the marksmen from distances ranging from 20 feet to 32 feet. And then it, you know, I've been going at it, you know, sinking between 102 hundred putts a day.

You know, absolute, you know, trying to do that almost every day. Sometimes I don't make it, but then I switch to a regular regulation size basket. And it, it has made a heck of a difference. I would say that my putting percentages and my confidence level has gone up substantially. I'm starting to hit things from edges circle and even circle two on a regular basis.

So that would be an example of how equipment would affect your performance, right? If everything else stays the same Yeah, then it's, that's the equipment. There you go. And like for me, I could even go as far as to say that like today, having to play in the rain with all my rain gear, that gave me some equipment [00:56:00] metrics because I am layered in five layers of gear trying to stay dry.

So that was an equipment metrics Gotcha. For me. And then there's practice metrics. So metrics constructed from data gathered during practice, repetitions or casual rounds. So with the putting league, I have that little book that I'm keeping track of. All my practices and trying to get a hundred from these two places, and then 50 and and 25.

Well that's, that's a fantastic thing because you're being forced to keep data on yourself from these different distances. Not really, like for the actual league, I only have to do 10, 10 putts from each of those distances and keep track of that. What I'm trying to do is my, because I'm in round C of the the virtual women's putting league mm-hmm.

That's put on by Tracy Herd, I believe. Mm-hmm. She does that. So we just started the spring round, so [00:57:00] I have to do 10 and 15 foot, and I tried to get a hun, well, 10 I use for my warmups. I got like 20 in there and then I move on to 15 because I have problems at 15. And so my goal this week was to do a hundred.

So I had to throw 210 putts to make a hundred, which was not a very good, about 50%. It was like 46%, a little lower than 50. But yeah. And then I was gonna go try and get 50 from 20, but at that point I was really tired cause I had already putted for an hour and then I was gonna try and get 25 throws from 25 feet.

Well, that, that's what I'm saying is that the putting league, because you have to track how many shots you make from each difference at distance. You can then after a few weeks put that data together and say, okay. I know that I have this much of a [00:58:00] percentage from this, and that's what Tracy does is she puts it all in a, in an Excel spreadsheet.

She has the bar, she has all the data. Like it's really great to get that data. However, for me, it's such a small percentage, like 10 shots. It's like, think of those tests that you took in high school. Yeah. Like the 50 point tests you can get like five, 10 wrong and still pass. If you have a 10 point test and you get five wrong, you fail.

So it's, it's such a small snapshot for me. Yeah. But I wanna, as time goes on, that snapshot gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. Yes. Yeah. And that's, that's what I was trying to get at. But if it's still just 10 and I, I suck those 10, like it's not a very good part of the picture. Anyways. Okay.

Yeah. And then course metrics. Metrics constructed from data [00:59:00] during scored rounds, which we've started, at least for me, I have it on U disk too because the pd d G A live scoring doesn't connect to U disk, which it should somehow. P D G you do and you do need to, need to get together somehow connect.

Yeah. I will pay an extra $5 a month or a year to be able to do that. To be able to do that. Yeah. Like it can be your Pro Plus plan. Well, and you, and you want, yeah. Your Pro Plus plan with P D G A connectivity. You, well, you watch like the jom and all those guys, and it's like they have the stats up there from UDI on the thing, and it's like, yeah, why don't they just marry the two so that they're, so that they can, you know, dial up everything.

I'm sure it's political in one spot. I'm sure it involves money. Yeah, so anyways, course metrics. We gather a lot of data when we're out there doing our scored rounds because like I said, that's just our routine and, and I do have [01:00:00] some creative ways to mark whether it's a natural par or a modified par.

Based on my, you know, I was thinking about this was like, I want to see the metric of my end of round score as a ratio to how many trees I hit during the round. So you just tracked that. Well, yeah, that would be something that I could track. Yeah, you should, could totally. You know, however, I should track that actually.

However, like if you're gonna do that for North Bend where there's just a straight row of trees versus rain shadow where you're actually in a forest. Like, it's, it's like you're probably gonna hit more trees at North Bend if we're being completely honest, because you and I have a tendency if we're in a course that's open, we find the trees.

If there's a tree there, we will find it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So going into some things to consider about putting putting percentage by distance. Well, [01:01:00] putting's an easy, putting's an easy one to pick on because it's definitely the most important part of the game. So putting percentage by distance, your mis location, and the putting teil and then frequency by disk.

So we talked about all of those. Yeah. Frequency by disk. Anyways, so what I think with collecting data, part of why I like data is it, it gives you something concrete to actually form an opinion based on. So instead of being like our daughter Aaliyah, who's just, I just felt like throwing that disc and I'm gonna throw left-handed just because it just feels right.

It takes away that, oh, it just feels right. And that kind of like witchcrafty feeling of witch disc to throw and actually gives you some real concrete data of, okay, I have to throw my pearl for every shot because it's my most reliable disc, and I can throw it just about any single way that I need to.

Like, I could take all the other discs out and just throw that one and be fine. Yeah. For the most part, I know, I mean, like you have your pearl and the rest of your discs are utility discs. [01:02:00] Pretty much, yeah. They, they're there to, just aside from my putter for special shots, basically. Yeah. I'm a big fan of data, both as, as a dad, as a coach, as you know, just, just a person.

I love data. And the reason is, is because data can be tested, it can be recreated, it can stand up to scrutiny, and it drives me crazy because we see this in all of our everyday lives, is that there's always that person where it's like, well, I know what the odds are, but I'm gonna buck 'em anyway. And you mean every time you go up there and you're like, I'm gonna try something, every time I visited, I've got an idea, I've got an idea.

I'm not gonna do the thing that makes sense. I'm gonna try some, I'm gonna try that ridiculous line that even the pros can't hit because I just, yeah. Yeah. I'm learning. I'm learning. And everyone else is stupid except me. Every, yeah, everybody. I'm smarter than everyone else. Yeah. No, not really. [01:03:00] Data isn't gonna give you the whole story.

However, it's going to give you a fairly good idea and be correct most of the time. Let's say that you are.

40 feet out. You're 40 feet out, you have a clear line to the basket. Let's which, which hole on which course are you, Ima, let's say, which hole on which course are you imagining? Well, let's say, let's say that, let's just say that it's let's say we're at Battle Point, right? Where it's, it's just flat and open and there's geese.

Sure. Let's, let's just random back basket X. Okay? Flat ground. You're 40 feet out from it and you know that your success rate from 40 feet out is about 20%. You're in this tournament, [01:04:00] you gotta decide what to do. Do you run this thing 40 feet out? I wouldn't run it. I would lay up on the right side. Why?

Because I know I can. So you, so you weigh your odds, is what you're saying is that you know that if you, well, that's why I even asked which course and what's the weather like. Cuz like if you're talking about seven or eight at rain shadow, which is kind of where my head's at these days, where it's that, that that lane of brass and then the muddy hills on the sides, like I can't even, like I'm scared to even throw a disc 10 feet in front of me.

That hole is intimidating. Is it Rolls that hole is intimidating. You, it's such a mind boggling experience. It it's almost, it's almost an island hole because you have to throw it, what, 350 feet? You have to fly it the entire way and you have to land within the 10 foot bullseye or you are in the. [01:05:00] Yeah. You just have to pick the better spots of crap to be in on that one.

Yeah, it's, that's why I'm saying like something like that. No, I wouldn't. Now if it was what's one of the ones with the downhill basket? I'm 40 feet. It's downhill. Like I might, you might try it. I might try that. Might try to run it. Yeah. Even though your success rate says that you are more than likely not gonna hit it.

Yeah. Cuz I'd probably just lay up next to it if it's a downhill, I think, yeah, I think the downhill example is a good one because if you're putting downhill from 40 feet, if you try to run that, chances are behind the basket is gonna continue to go downhill. So if you miss, you have probably two shots to get back to the basket in sinker putt and you know that your success rate on that distance is.

Maybe 15%. [01:06:00] Maybe you better lay up that time instead of trying to run that, because the odds are you're not gonna make it. May the odds be ever in your favor. Yeah. So using, using data to make better decisions out there on the course is, that was a Hunger Games reference. Yeah. Yeah. But use, using data, knowing your data is important, is so you can make better games.

Dude, that's a light bulb for me. I need to hunger games. My disc golf game. I what? Huh? May the odds be ever in my favor. Go with the odds. Yeah, go with the odds. I mean, why? Why would you run a 40 foot putt downhill? Because I can. Because you can. But that doesn't mean you should. I know I'd still try it. I mean that just to see if I could, well, I'm won.

Like we had this discussion earlier that we were watching these people, and even in the tournament, like watching these ladies throw where they might be able to make it, and they're not even trying. Where I Overzealously will [01:07:00] try and they don't, well, it absolutely for certain, a pro knows their data. Yeah.

A pro knows their percentages. And, you know, if you, if you have trouble behind the basket, you gotta think about what's gonna happen if you miss, and then what, what is the likelihood that you're going to miss? And, well, the, the pros have a lot more riding on their game than say we do. And if you, if you know your percentages and your success rates and your failure rates, you know, for a situation like that, you can make a better decision.

So you might not run that putt. You might lay up to the right, like you said, and then just tap it in. Or you can knowingly make a stupid decision. But that's better that, you know, it's stupid than, I'm just gonna try something. What's the sometimes, because I can, we should really do data for you. Every time you say, I've got an idea, or I'm just gonna try something, we're gonna start tracking whether it was successful or not successful.

Okay. Well I'm getting to the point with my skill level that they're [01:08:00] more successful than not lately. Where I've got less things to try lately because I've tried them all. Yeah. Lately I'm being more successful than not because of my skill level's growing. However, you know, what you're talking about is situational play too.

Like, cuz let's say, you know, I am one, I'm a shot down in a tournament and I need to pick up a shot, and I'm getting down to like the last two or three holes. I'm gonna probably, I might go against the odds and try something a little more risky in order to get that shot back. Yeah. And, and possibly, so part of that is situational play, but I'm, you know, I'm talking like just in its purest form, making the best decisions possible, like say in a practice round or, you know, well when one, where you're just trying to rate and score yourself.

Well, I'm thinking of like, you had that throw yesterday at fairgrounds on 16 where you hit the basket. That was awesome. Yeah. And if you were just [01:09:00] a couple inches down, it would've gone in and you would've had an ace. Like a lot of the putts that I've been, I've been just trying to lay up, but I've gotten so much better that now I'm hitting the basket or hitting the chains.

And even just keeping track of that is a good way to get data. Of if you're even hitting the basket. Mm-hmm. From whatever distance. So you would say that knowing and understanding your data points would help you make decisions not only about how to structure your practice routine, but also how to make decisions out there on the course.

Yeah, I would agree with that. You'd agree with that? Yeah. Cuz like if I didn't know that, hey, I need to practice my 15 foot putts. I wouldn't be trying to get a hundred putts at 15 feet at 15 feet throwing 210 putts in a row. Do you ever get that weirdness where it's like, I'm great from 10 feet, I'm great from 15 feet, I suck at [01:10:00] 20 feet, but for some reason at 25 I'm solid.

That was me with like a hole 15 and 20, like 10. I'm good. 15, I'm not 20, I'm okay. Just scratch your head. For some reason, that's why it's, there's like a black hole. It doesn't make sense. No. Hence the basket, the black hole. Yeah. It's, it's more like rain shadow. How is the only place there was no rain. Yeah.

Yeah. That's my 15 foot cuts. It's the weather. It's the weather hole is rain shadow. Yeah. Yeah. We were talking about rain shadow earlier. That's another great point about rain shadow. Is that it, it's, it is part of the rain shadow. It's, it's namesake. Yeah. Swim. There's, there's a, a hole in the weather there, so when it's raining everywhere else you can go to rain shadow and pretty much bet that it's not gonna be raining.

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of cool like that. Yeah. Well, this was our episode on understanding data. [01:11:00] Through the lens of creating yourself to be your own Frankenstein monster and how you're gonna go about learning your own disc golf game. Thank you for tuning in to the Intentional Disc Golfer podcasts. We'll see you in the next episode.