142: {Interview} Empowering Women Through Community with Angel Holmes

Friends, you are in for a treat with this one! In today's episode I sit down with Angel Holmes to explore the importance of community, especially among women, in entrepreneurship. Angel shares her journey from running a successful PR business to creating a supportive environment for ambitious women through her community, The Brighter Side. We discuss the lessons learned from Angel's entrepreneurial experiences, including the significance of partnerships and the challenges faced during the pandemic. The conversation also delves into Angel's exciting new venture in the Caribbean and her role as managing editor of Charleston Women Magazine, emphasizing the power of storytelling and mentorship in uplifting women.

takeaways

• Building connections can lead to unexpected opportunities.
• Community is essential for personal and professional growth.
• Women supporting women creates a powerful network.
• Entrepreneurship involves learning from failures and successes.
• Partnerships need to be carefully considered and balanced.
• It's important to focus on your own journey and not compare yourself to others.
• Due diligence is crucial when starting a new business.
• Mentorship can significantly impact one's career path.
• Social media should be used as a tool for connection, not comparison.
• Surrounding yourself with inspiring individuals can elevate your journey.

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Transcript

Caroline Pennington (00:01.324)
Welcome Angel.

Angel Holmes (00:03.052)
Hi, Caroline, so glad to be here today.

Caroline Pennington (00:06.05)
Okay. So you and I actually have met, we met online. I think it was LinkedIn. Okay. And then you slid into my DMS on LinkedIn and you invited me to your group, like-minded Charleston that you ran and I joined and came to your live events starting in January of this year. but I know that you've done so many really cool things. She has a podcast called stop dreaming, biggie podcast.

Angel Holmes (00:12.332)
Yes, it was LinkedIn. Yes, I did. I did.

Caroline Pennington (00:34.474)
She is the original founder and executive, former executive director for trials in food and wine. The list goes on of things that you've done. And I also want to hear about the Caribbean stuff. So we're to get to that next. But so tell us where you are now and how did you get there?

Angel Holmes (00:41.248)
You

Angel Holmes (00:48.674)
Yeah, so I love that I slipped into your DMs because yes, when I started dabbling in LinkedIn, of course you came up because you're the LinkedIn queen. saw you were close to Charleston. And when we had the impersonate community, I was like, oh my gosh, it would be so good to be a part of that and to speak. And you did both. So I'm so glad that that all worked out. So moral of the story is definitely reach out to people because you never know what will happen. And you've gone on and you've connected with other members. And it's so fun.

But yeah, I'm in Charleston, South Carolina. I'm actually a native here, born and raised, which is rare nowadays. I did move away for a little while, went to school and lived away. But we are here. And I don't remember the other questions you had. But yes, I've done a bunch of different stuff. And now I run a community for ambitious women. It is online and in person called the Brighter Side Society, where we get together and

create big dreams and goals. And I have the Never Stop Dreaming Big E podcast. And then I just took over for managing editor for Charleston Women Magazine. So lots of fun stuff going on, all involving women and just ones that have big goals and dreams. And I love, that's my thing. I love bringing people together in community and really celebrating them.

Caroline Pennington (02:03.448)
I'll say too to add to that. I I have been into plenty of events, maybe coed or women only or whatnot. And there was something special about the room that you created in like when in Charleston and you had assembled a nice, really great quality group of people, female entrepreneurs from the low country Charleston and surrounding. And I feel like that's a superpower. So tell us more about that.

Angel Holmes (02:25.226)
Yeah, so I love bringing people together. Obviously with starting the Charleston Wine and Food Festival, events have always been part of my being. My dad was actually a politician in Charleston and he owned the baseball team here. So as a very young girl, I was out shaking hands and putting on events and all kinds of stuff. So that's kind of just been in my DNA. And I love it. I love bringing people together to make them happy and connect and just live life to their fullest.

So when I was, after COVID, I lost my entire business. was doing PR, marketing and events for culinary businesses, travel and tourism. It all went away in one full sweep. I was doing everything I could to survive for several years, but I was very isolated and alone. And I just felt like I was the only one going through this. And finally I was like, you know what? probably not the only one dealing with these issues. And so...

had joined an online community that was nationwide and asked the person if I could start a chapter in Charleston. And we did and did it for almost a year, almost a year total where we were bringing women together every single week, which was so fun. I loved doing that. And I've really evolved it since it wasn't my own community. Just decided I really want to focus in on what I'm building and do it in the brighter side was just one of those things. And honestly, like most of the women were from Charleston,

Not all of them were part of the other community, but I just really wanted a place where not only they could be together in Charleston where I'm from, but also from all over the country. So we have members in Canada and I've loved them all over the world eventually, but it's been so fun and it's more structured and that's what I really like. We keep each other accountable. We have more just learning opportunities and more community in different ways. So it's been fun to kind of evolve that. it's just having your own thing as you know, is just so.

It's just nice because you can control all the moving pieces and parts and there's just things that I really wanted to do with it. So I'm excited to be able to do it now in this form.

Caroline Pennington (04:25.632)
And so having your own thing is like, I don't have children of my own. have stepchildren, but I have, I have two doggies. Okay. So I'm a doggy mom, but having things that you create that are your own, that you have complete control over. There's just something that's just magical about that. And yes, is that hard? Yes. Is isolating. Yes. You go on a roller coaster emotionally, financially, all of the things.

Angel Holmes (04:31.562)
And you have doggies. You have doggies. Yes. A doggie mom.

Angel Holmes (04:53.078)
Yes.

Caroline Pennington (04:54.67)
So I'm so glad you've assumed these rooms of people that are going through the exact same things because you're right. Like you just feel so isolated and so alone sometimes and you're like, why am I the only feeling, why do I feel like this?

Angel Holmes (05:07.158)
Yes, it is true. I mean, we need community where we're not born to be alone. We were born around people. We were born with a family and then friends and gone on and on and on. And so I think as adults, just have, you we separate a lot easier and we do isolate in this. I mean, since COVID and obviously with electronics and everything, you know, digitally, we do get more isolated. So to have the opportunity to come together to hug and to like really connect with people on a deeper level, you know, we cry, we...

We are going through everything. I love it because for a brighter side, it's all age groups. So we have people who are just out of college, two people who like myself doing it for 30 years. And so we really just support each other. And we're all going through the same things. We're all struggling with the AI and marketing and whatever else we're dealing with within our business. So to be able to do it together and not feel stupid or silly or crazy, because that's what we're called, ambitious women, called crazy. And especially somebody like me who's done big things.

I'm used to it, so I might bring it on, but a lot of women, it just holds them back, it brings in the imposter syndrome. So we just try to say, no, if it's for you, let's do this together. So being each other's cheerleaders and champions is definitely something I love and I love women. And it's just been honestly the best thing I've ever done in my career so far. So it's been exciting to grow and just see these women. I mean, every day I'm amazed by what these women are doing. So it's really, really.

A true blessing.

Caroline Pennington (06:34.604)
Yeah, there's literally something magical about women who lift other women up and I didn't get it for a long time. And then I finally got myself in the right rooms and was like, whoa, this is the game changer because those women are doing what I want to be doing. Or those women can help me get to the next step or the next level or whatever it is. And if you're listening to this podcast and you have not found rooms like that, keep looking, keep DMing people online.

Angel Holmes (06:59.33)
Find them. Yes, they're out there. There's so many great women groups and so many great groups in general. So yes, find your people because it changes you. Like you said, it just really brings you to a whole new level. You want to surround yourself with people who are doing what you're doing, upleveling you or whatever that can advance you.

That's the best way to do it is get in these rooms and be close to them and get to know them. we, I mean, if they're good people, like to help each other. So it's wonderful to have that community. And there are so many amazing ones out there.

Caroline Pennington (07:34.998)
Yeah, and you're the average of the top five people you surround yourself with. And so that's something you really need to let sit with you and look in the mirror every single day about that. Because if you are showing people that are not doing things that you want to be doing, then go find five new people. I'm not talking about spouses and kids and all like, like that's family.

Angel Holmes (07:49.735)
Right. Yes, I tell my kids that all the time. Like the five people you hang out with the most are going to be what you become. So you need to be very protective of those inner circle people for sure.

Caroline Pennington (08:05.208)
So this question, you're gonna have probably lots of different examples, but probably give me your top or your top three. What has been the biggest lesson you've learned in your entrepreneurial journey?

Angel Holmes (08:15.582)
Mm-hmm. that's a good one. Well, I've been through bankruptcy. So I would say that was probably the biggest one of the biggest ones to learn is that to really be smart with your I wouldn't say finances. It was really more of a contract thing for me. I really wasn't paying as much attention as I should have for this event. But really, I'm glad I went through it because I will never go through that again. I also think the partner thing. I did like I said, I partnered with somebody else on this community. I also partnered with somebody else before that.

And I always thought I need a partner, I need a partner, I need somebody to do it with. And honestly, like, and even staff, I've had staff before and I feel like you work, you just, always think the grass is greener somewhere else, where the grass is greener where you water it, right? So you probably have all the skills you need or you can find them in other places than necessarily having a partner. And to have a partner, you just need to have the right, it needs to be the right fit. It needs to be offering the right things. It needs to be seriously a partnership, needs two-way.

very equal win-win. And I just didn't set that up for either one of those experiences that way. it definitely, you know, I've learned some lessons from that. from, you know, even with what I'm doing now with the Homestead, have advisors and all of that. We're trying to have partners with the bar we're opening. And I think that's just something we really want. We're protective of more so now because we have a vision. We believe in and not everyone else is going to do that. So I just think if you're out there and you're like, I need a partner, I need

I need this, need this. Chances are you probably don't need those things. You probably can be resourceful and find them in other ways. So just kind of don't always compare yourself to others and what they have, because it's just, I've ever listened to you and Amy's podcast recently, and just, you know, they don't see the hard work you go through to get to where you are. And it's a lot of work and it's a lot of effort. you know, just stay, you know, stay in your lane, water where you are, take care of your garden, and it will grow.

Caroline Pennington (10:10.456)
That was great advice because when I mentor people on that want to start growing scale podcast, if they come at me and say, I'm going to do it with so-and-so, I'm like, no, because this is going to get to be a business relationship and you're going to have life. They're going to have life. Who's going to be doing the producing? Who's going be doing the guesting, the editing, the marketing for it? Because if you don't keep the podcast stream going, like it will die. And so I'm really glad that you brought that up.

And it's a great pivot to talk about your Caribbean. If you don't follow Angel, her and her husband are starting a business in the Caribbean. Caribbean. I may I'm saying it wrong. I've been there plenty. Tell me about like your you don't have to tell me like all your secret sauce. But like how did the stream start? Like where are you at? How did you do your due diligence for it? Tell us everything.

Angel Holmes (10:47.936)
We are.

Yeah, no, Caribbean.

Angel Holmes (10:58.014)
Yeah.

Angel Holmes (11:05.569)
Yeah, so this has been something that I've been working on for 10 years. And it came to me just, I was running a beverage conference called BevCon at the time and was just working with a of great beverage professionals. And I've been to the Caribbean a lot just growing up and then always loved it. So the idea kind of came across then and I've been just, know, marinating on it and thinking about it and talking about it. But really when I, right when I got divorced about 10 years ago.

it's been several years. I really was like, I'm going to get serious about this. And I got more back into my faith because that had of dwindled too. And just started having more more visions about it and started coming together. And I met Brian, my husband now, and I was like, Brian, I want to open this place in the Caribbean. He was like, sign me up. And everything just kind of just started aligning. I think God just was like, this is what I want you to be doing. And here's all the...

ways to do it. So we have literally been visiting islands. We are narrowing down our islands right now. We're getting super close. We have two that we love that both seem amazing and have great potential. And so we're meeting with realtors and attorneys and all kinds of stuff to try to find the place we're going to be at. But yeah, our goal is it will be a bar slash retreat and we will be doing brighter side events down there. I'm really excited about that.

And just all kinds of stuff. So it should open if all goes well in November, 2028. And we do have an Instagram account, the homestead bar that people can follow the journey. We're starting to promote more and more on there. And it is gonna be tied in with a nonprofit. We have a nonprofit leg to that where we're gonna be giving back to disaster relief and to projects in the island we're at. So.

That's about to launch. I'm starting another nonprofit, which I never thought I would do again, but it's been really fun. So I'm really excited about it. And yes, would love for everybody to come visit and check it out when it opens.

Caroline Pennington (13:07.95)
Okay, so I have so many questions. The Homestead Bar, that is so cool. And I love that you are talking about the 10 year journey because a lot of times people see things on the outside and they're like, oh, you have this business or this following or this whatever podcast. And it's like, okay, but you didn't see the rest of it. went on.

Angel Holmes (13:09.761)
Ha ha ha ha ha.

Caroline Pennington (13:30.68)
For due diligence with looking at islands, mean, I'm sure you had to consider like all the things like the hurricanes, the costs, the safety, the insurance, like all that stuff. And then is this something that you're gonna be doing? Are you gonna go live there full time? We're gonna be part-time in Charleston and part-time there.

Angel Holmes (13:48.066)
This is a great question. So yes, due diligence for sure. And I, like I said, I've been down to, there's like 28 islands, which is crazy. I've probably been to half of those islands. I actually got married in the BVI's to my husband before Brian. And so I've dealt with the governments down there. I understand it's very different. It's very slow. It's their own independent islands for the most part. And some speak, some are French, some are Dutch, some are.

British, summer US, mean, it is like variants all the ways, but we had a long list of things we were looking for. We wanted to go lower in the islands, away from the hurricanes as much as we possibly could be. We wanted it to be a sailing community. We wanted it to have obviously friendly, less crime, like on and on. So we have really long laundry list. And we had an attorney in Charleston, Matt Norton, who does law down there. And he sat down and he was like, we had our...

our list of places like no, no, no, no, no. And he was like, do these. And my brother had a sailboat down there and he was down there for a while. So he went and visited islands for us and got a feel. we, I mean, we have met, we've read every book we've done so much. I mean, I'm literally watching YouTube video after YouTube video of the islands we love just to kind of get more and more of a feel. And the videos are so bad. I cannot wait to go down there because I'm going totally do a YouTube channel for whatever island we're on.

But yeah, and then, so it just takes so much time and effort and energy, but we will be living there during the time we're open. The seasons down there run anywhere from six to eight months. So we'll definitely be down there for about eight months. We'll probably come here for about three during this time of year hurricane season when you kind of shut down and.

I'm not sure about residency. I one of us will be residents here. We'll just come back and forth as we need to. Our kids are here. Hopefully our kids are, some of them are gonna come down and work there, but they'll be here. Our families are here. So we'll be back and forth. And who never knows what's going on with the world and the country. We'll see. We're gonna keep our eyes open for that. So, but yeah, we've got a couple of years to kind of pull that together.

Caroline Pennington (15:55.041)
I love that. And I know nothing sentence so I'm not holding into that, but I love too that your husband, Brian is on board with this. Cause I mean, this is a huge decision. It's going to be a huge, obviously investment of time and money. It's going to be a huge lifestyle change. It's going to be bootstrapping and event space from whatever it was to now making it yours. And that's a whole thing. and I know

You are the queen of fun and you call your husband the director of no fun. And I always laugh about that. I always tell my husband about it too because I'm like.

Angel Holmes (16:26.081)
He is a champ. My husband is a champ, but yeah, he retires from his company. I mean, honestly, we're like, you got to take HVAC school, you got to get your plumbing, like all the things, because we are going to be down there in a third world country and we have to figure it out on our own. Of course, we'll be working with the locals and...

That sort of thing, but it's a lot. It is a third world country and you don't have the luxuries. There's no Amazon down there. So it's gonna be an adventure for sure. But he is a champ. is 100 % of all of my family is. I mean, it takes a village to do anything like this. we have the most amazing advisors too. And really I do bring that back to my faith in God bringing these people together. But BevCon, a lot of them were a part of that event and they are...

some of the best in the business for bar and restaurants and several of them have had places down there. So it's been great to hear from them and get advice from them and just kind of keep growing and learn. So yes, you'll have to come. We'll have retreats down there. So you can come do your podcast. Come do your podcast there. I'm serious. love it. I would love anybody and everybody to come visit for sure.

Caroline Pennington (17:31.564)
definitely coming to visiting.

Caroline Pennington (17:37.838)
No, I'm serious too. My husband and I love to go down there and we usually do it at least a couple of times a year. So I can't wait.

Angel Holmes (17:45.057)
I will keep you posted. For sure.

Caroline Pennington (17:49.379)
Okay, so pivoting now, so you recently stepped into the role of becoming managing editor of Charleston Women. Tell me about that. Like, I'm familiar with the magazine, it's amazing, all the things, like, I'm sure you were brought on specifically to help grow it or scale it or whatever. And you don't have to tell me anything secret, but like, tell me about the goals and the vision for the magazine.

Angel Holmes (18:13.089)
Yeah, yes, I actually have a copy. on, let me grab, sorry. It is so cute, Charleston Women. This is our current issue, it just came out. Yeah, so a friend of mine was working there and asked if I would be interested in being the managing editor and I said, absolutely not, because I had a lot going on. And I really loved the magazine concept, it used to be an insert for Mount Pleasant Magazine.

Caroline Pennington (18:22.57)
Mm-hmm, yeah, I saw that.

Angel Holmes (18:40.225)
But I really didn't, I felt like it just didn't showcase all the amazing women out there. It just was limited to what they were doing because it wasn't insert and not a lot of focus. But Stacey, the associate publisher, she was really wanting to elevate it. So anyway, long story short, they asked me to do it and I had a bunch of different things I required, including really revamping the entire thing. So we redesigned the entire magazine. We focused, I really wanted to be heavy editorial focused before it was more on the...

partners and advertisers in there, which makes sense. And we of course support those guys whenever we can. So, but really going into deep into the theme of the HSU, because each issue has a theme. This was fashion. So almost everything you're reading is about fashion. But no, I think it's just such a great addition. I mean, I'm from here. I know a lot of women and I just want to share their stories. There's so many incredible people that they're doing just amazing things. And also so many people that are new to Charleston.

new here and they don't necessarily know or have a voice. I mean, we have so many talented, incredible people. So just to have that platform and help them to share what they've got going on, I'm really excited about it. So we're doing it four times a year and the first one was great. So I'm very excited. We're working on the home issue now that will come out in November. And yeah, it's been a lot of fun. So just add another thing to the to-do list. But it all does go nicely.

Caroline Pennington (20:02.382)
I was going say, how do you choose? mean, there's so many amazing Charleston women that are entrepreneurs or even work in corporate or nonprofit space. Like all those spaces, they have really, really top to your talent and the thinkers and the dreamers and the doers. And I just love that.

Angel Holmes (20:22.133)
Yes, and so I love anybody listening to this. they have anything they want to share, anything they're doing, we'd love to hear from them and get them a part of the magazine any way we can. we're working on our website and our emails. We have a podcast. So there's definitely a lot of avenues to engage with the magazine. And I'd love to help any way I can.

Caroline Pennington (20:44.034)
I'll plug a link in the show notes to it so they can find it that way too. Okay, so what is lighting you up with some of the clients that you're working with right now?

Angel Holmes (20:48.352)
Yes.

Angel Holmes (20:53.429)
Well, my clients are the Brighter Side Society and they are just like doing, like I said, there are so many of them have just launched new businesses. I mean, we have a half and half. We have some that are just starting out and some that have been doing it for a while. And for the ones that are just doing it, like to see them have this idea and to do the work that's needed, because we walk people through doing the milestones and the checking things off and the little step-by-step they have to do.

to actually implementing it. to see them doing it and having success, that is incredible. And then the people who've been doing it forever, who are either maybe change, they need a refresh or they need just some more, they might need some more clients or they might need just some more energy. Or like me, I'm just, my big heart is in mentoring. I love mentoring anyone I can. I mean, I do do it one-on-one.

every so often, but when I can, I would love just sitting down with somebody and helping them and walking them through where they are and getting them out of overwhelm and getting them focused on whatever it is. But just helping them and seeing their relationships and friendships and support system. When I opened up Instagram and I saw you and Amy with a podcast and when I see people doing that, it's like I had a small part in that, bringing those people together. So that is what I love.

so much.

Caroline Pennington (22:13.986)
Yeah, we, I mean, after speaking with her in May at your event and hearing about the power of Pinterest, I was like, whoa, because she and had the same conversation. Like I thought it was just for like wedding cakes and like the recipe inspo. And she's like, no, it's full marketing. So.

Angel Holmes (22:21.803)
Yes.

Angel Holmes (22:29.761)
And now, yes, and I just hired her and she is amazing. And I'm so excited because we're gonna do a lot of cool stuff, not only with the brighter side, but with the homestead, because there's so many people that go in there for travel and go in there for resources that I provide already. to hone in on that, and you do need to hone in on it, it's a little bit different from your other, it's not a social media platform necessarily. So I love her, she's just so great. And same with you with LinkedIn, I when I learned.

For me, on LinkedIn, I really try to apply and be more present and engaging and connecting more with women. And I wasn't doing that for a long, long time. So just to have these opportunities, I mean, those are all communities. These social media places are just, if you look at them, I like a community and a place to connect and help and serve and support each other. think that it makes it so much more enjoyable. So many people.

like make it dreadful and it really doesn't have to be dreadful. It's just you sharing and helping. So as long as, you know, that's something you enjoy doing, you should enjoy being on the platforms.

Caroline Pennington (23:36.053)
Yes, 100 million percent because a lot of times, mean, people, they're on social media anyways, like they're doom scrolling. like instead of doom scrolling, like actually message somebody or send them a voice note or like, sign in their DMs and don't sell them, but just connect with them and then see what happens in this podcast interview right here in friendship happened because of the exact same thing I'm talking about.

Angel Holmes (23:42.463)
right.

Angel Holmes (23:46.409)
Yes, yes.

Angel Holmes (23:58.593)
Exactly. Yes, it is. That's what it takes. Yes, so many people do just scroll and then they get angry or they compare themselves and it's like taking away the joy of it. And it really is. It was created for friendship and support and all of those things. And I think we've just taken it to whole new level. And I just block that out and I'm like, no, this is my happy. I like all of them. I use most of them and I find, just find what works. Like TikTok, I'm just like, I'm not gonna be on there.

doing these serious videos. I do silly stuff with my kids or my husband, and I might do something that involves around women or whatever I'm working on, but it's typically more fun because that's what people are on there for. So you just have to figure out the platform and your voice and that and just have fun with it.

Caroline Pennington (24:46.894)
And the reality is you can either create or consume. Like you have two choices. And instead of being a consumer, I would rather be a creator. And yes, is it cringe at first? Yes, is it embarrassing? Yes, does your rude uncle ask, how's your little content or little podcast going? But in a year, two years later, they ask how did you do it?

Angel Holmes (24:50.037)
Mm-hmm

Angel Holmes (24:56.693)
Yes.

Angel Holmes (25:04.852)
my gosh.

Angel Holmes (25:11.873)
Exactly. No, I heard that on one of your podcasts too. I'm like, oh my gosh, yes, I have so many stories. It is crazy the number of people who I never think see any of my stuff or know about anything I'm doing because they never comment or support or anything, share. And then if I do anything that rubs them the wrong way, of course I'm to hear about them. Like, oh, you follow me. I wouldn't know that because you don't really support me any other way. So it's just funny. There's people out there.

These little stalkers.

Caroline Pennington (25:41.479)
and the boundaries too, just because they're related to you or have your cell phone number or see you at the gym or at church doesn't mean they get to slide into your network and ecosystem. And if they're not doing what you want to be doing, then they're not in a place to offer any advice or for you to listen to any advice.

Angel Holmes (25:44.321)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Angel Holmes (25:51.563)
Yes. Yes.

Angel Holmes (26:01.505)
Right, No, and it's crazy the number of people who know Brian and he's not on social media just because I promote him all the time and he's like, who are these people? I'm like, I really don't even know either, but they're so nice. I most of them are really, really nice. And so it is crazy though. you know, the people you will meet and get to know and you have no idea who they are, but they know you because we share it. I share it all. I don't hold back a lot. but no, it's fun.

Caroline Pennington (26:29.368)
So as we wrap up, how can our listeners find you?

Angel Holmes (26:32.917)
So I'm on all the places, LinkedIn, I'm on Instagram. I have three different accounts on Instagram, or four, right? Four, because of my podcast now, and all of it. So I have a website, sipandipity.com. But yeah, I'd love to connect with anybody. I have an email I send out every week called The Scoop, so sign up for that. The best way to do that is on Instagram, just in my link. can, can,

click on there and get set up and I send out some of my favorite things and I think it's a fun, it's not, I try to make it not salesy type of email that I send out every single week so you can get on the scoop.

Caroline Pennington (27:13.528)
I'll plug all of your links in the show notes for everybody.

Angel Holmes (27:15.847)
Yay. Thank you, Carolyn. So good to be here. I love this. And let me know when you're in Charleston. You need to come to a brighter side of it. We'd love to have you and just really appreciate your friendship and support always.

Caroline Pennington (27:28.426)
I will. Thanks, Angel.