Beyond Brain Tumours

Hope, family, and community: A SUPERKID’s journey of unshakeable strength and optimism | Part 1

• Brain Tumour Foundation of Canada • Episode 12

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This Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, meet 14-year-old brain tumour survivor Robbie Watson and his parents, Abby and Jeremy, as they share their incredible story. Robbie reflects on travelling for treatment and life after diagnosis with his signature positivity, while Abby brings the parent perspective and opens up about the uncertainty, strength and community support that carried their family through the toughest days. Together, they discuss how their journey has become a powerful story of hope and resilience. 

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SPEAKER_03:

Welcome to Beyond Brain Tumors, a podcast of inspiration, hope, and support for the brain tumor community. I'm your host, Ben Seawald, Support Services Specialist at Brain Tumor Foundation of Canada. In this episode, during Childhood Cancer Awareness Month, it's my pleasure to chat with Robbie Watson, a 14-year-old superstar brain tumor survivor, and his parents, Abby and Jeremy, who are also superstars. Robbie was diagnosed with a germ cell tumor in 2021 in his hometown of Picton, Ontario, and then sent to Bellville for a treatment plan. It was then that Robbie was airlifted to the Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario, or ChiO, in Ottawa for surgery, then treated at Kingston General Hospital for chemotherapy. Robbie, who counts hockey, watching TV and movies, and his dog Ruby, amongst his favorite things, showcases how the support of a community can make a significant difference in the lives of those facing serious health challenges. Welcome, Robbie, Abby, and Jeremy. It's great to be able to catch up with you again.

SPEAKER_04:

Hi. Hi there. Hi.

SPEAKER_03:

So this first question is for Abby and Jeremy. Bring me back to the early summer of 2021. Robbie is the youngest of five kids, about to turn 10 years old. Tell us a little bit more about that time in your life.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, he's the youngest of five kids, and all of them had never really had any health issues until that summer. We've had like this slight thing where it's like asthma or whatever, but nothing too traumatic. Kind of watched him for a week being sick, and we wondered what it could be. And then the second week we did um four trips to Picton Hospital. And uh each doctor trying to do one step more than the other doctor, and so on and so forth. And it wasn't until his uh pupils dilated that they could actually kind of assume what the problem was, and uh it was interesting. I was kind of fed up by the fourth trip, and I was like, listen, the doctor was trying to be really nice and trying not to like give me a false sense of anything. Um, and he was trying to kind of beat around the bush, and I was like, listen, this is like four times in the last week, like, just tell me what you think it is. I'm open for everything, and I've Googled stuff. So um he then said that I think your son has a brain can't like has brain cancer. And I was like, Oh, okay. And all of a sudden, Robbie out of nowhere just holds up his thumb and goes, I am not going anywhere, it's okay, mom.

SPEAKER_03:

There he is, thumbs up.

SPEAKER_02:

So we we drove to Belleville for CT, and then the doctor in Picton called us before we could get Robbie off the CT after having it done and saying that he was right, and that we were waiting to find out where we were gonna go from there. Um, and the doctor called me every 15 minutes just to kind of make sure that Robbie was okay, that I was okay. Um, we ended up going to Chiu. They wanted to do a biopsy. The hope was to do a biopsy, if not try to remove it right then and there, but um, he had too much swelling, so they couldn't. They put in a shunt. Um didn't tell us what exactly was happening. We just had the assumption from Picton. Um, and then finally, three days later, we got a diagnosis.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow. Yeah. Longest three days of your life, eh?

SPEAKER_02:

I think it was the longest three days of that doctor's life because every day he came in and I was like, So, what's next? And he's like, You need to slow down, you're gonna get hit by a bus.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my gosh. So that's amazing care though, that the doctor that was calling you every 15 minutes to make sure that you were okay, which I also kind of think is a little bit hilarious because, like, what does okay mean in circumstance, right? Um, and all of those definitions kind of go out the window, but um, but yeah, wow, just an amazing story. So then from Chiyo, then um, did you have the surgery like at that three-day mark?

SPEAKER_02:

Or no, we had a shunt put in when we got to Chio. Okay. Um, and then the three days after we sat down with oncology, and they told us that he did for sure have cancer. Um, and that they wanted us to stay in Ottawa. They wanted to do treatment all in Ottawa, chemo, radiation, uh, no surgery. And then the next day it changed. The next day they came in, and they're like, Oh, we've talked to Kingston, and we're gonna actually send you to Kingston for chemo. It's closer. And I'm like, it is a lot closer. That's lovely.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um was um thinking that oh, but they we'd have lots of time, we'd go to Kingston, just discuss our plans, and then a week or two later, we would start chemotherapy. Um, that was a Wednesday, and sure enough, we got to uh KGH and Dr. Wheaton met us in a hospital room because it was after hours. Um, so Robbie had his own room on floor 10. And uh she came in and she goes, I know it's a lot, and I know his birthday is on Friday. I'm gonna let you stay here tonight and go home tomorrow and have a birthday party, but you have to be back before 8 p.m. tomorrow night. And I was like, Oh, why? And she said, Well, it's we're gonna put his port in and we're gonna start chemotherapy right after. And I was like, Okay, happy birthday.

SPEAKER_00:

When we went back, they had my room decorated, they got me gifts and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, they the KJH staff really made it so much easier to go through it all. They are amazing, yeah. They really did. They they did their best, they had literally they had decorations, and I'm not gonna lie, he probably still has some of them hang up in his bedroom. Well, maybe, yeah, maybe honestly, I I would for sure, so yeah, that's incredible. Wow, yeah. So we called our good friends and they organized just the smallest party at their house, so like them and their kids and our kids, and then um my mom and my stepdad and my dad and my aunt came. They did an amazing job puddling this birthday party together in less than 10 hours. Um, and we came back. We woke up Friday, Robbie had his surgery, and we started chemotherapy right after.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow. And then how many how many rounds of the chemo did you have?

SPEAKER_02:

Six, yep. Okay. So the first, the third, and the fifth were the same. They were just going to they were supposed to be as outpatients, but because we started on a Friday and the peas oncology is closed on weekends, we had a room on the 10th floor. So we were able to come and go after chemo then. Um, but if he wasn't up for the drive because they didn't know how it would kind of affect him, um, driving the back and forth from Kingston to Picton uh with his first round, they had a room for us, and that was the room we did chemo in, anyways. So I think we did end up going home the Friday, and I think Saturday, I'm not sure. I honestly don't remember if we went home that day or not, but I do know that the chemo hit him hard. Yeah. Um and he got really nauseous, so the car rides were not greatest, not fun.

SPEAKER_03:

And for those that don't know the geography, uh Picton to Kingston's about what 45 minutes on a good day, yeah, right, with no traffic and you hit the ferry at the right time and whatever, right?

SPEAKER_02:

So yeah, and then rounds two, four, and six were a 14-hour chemotherapy. So we were admitted um from Monday until Saturday those weeks, um, just because it the chemo takes 14 hours to go through the IV.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, I've done things for 14 hours straight, and it's not fun at the best of times, but I cannot imagine like being poisoned for 14 hours and just having to sit there. That's wild.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. So we kind of learned some tips and tricks, and every round that we went in to stay overnight in the hospital, um, my suitcase and my wagon got bigger because it was still COVID, we weren't allowed to use the kitchenette on the floor, and Robbie had a milk allergy still, so he wasn't able to eat foods that he would have liked to eat in the hospital.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, so there were some times that I may have broken some of the rules, and I may have bought a plug-in cooler, and I may have brought my toaster, and I may have brought an air fryer one. You got a different toaster. Oh, I did. I got it, I got a different toaster just to bring to the hospital. Yeah, a smaller one, a smaller one.

SPEAKER_03:

A special uh chemotherapy toaster. Just a two-slicer because we only had a four, so what what else was uh was able to go down those days?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh at one point we had wings that she cooked in the air fryer.

SPEAKER_03:

Amazing.

SPEAKER_00:

Chemo every time I chased my ta my taste buds changed.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And then so I never knew what I liked until I had it, and then eventually I realized that that I either liked it still or didn't like it.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so it was pretty hit-miss. We just kind of had to learn to roll with the flow, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, roll with what you got, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so we finished chemo in late November. Um we went to Ottawa to get a radiation mask fitted December, I think it was December 28th, I'm not gonna lie. And we came home with the intent of like trying to find somewhere to stay, thinking we were starting radiation in for in Ottawa for two months um in January. And I was, I remember I was at the dollar store in town trying to find some things to help us when we're not living at home and in a hotel. And the radiation department called me and said, Oh, by the way, we're pushing your radiation back. And I went, Oh, why is that? And they're like, Oh, so you didn't know? And I was like, No, she's like, I think um, I'm gonna let you go, and your doctor's gonna have to call you. Oh no, I was like, Oh, okay, this is cool. So I came home and waited. And Dr. Wheaton called and said, Well, Sick Kids has a really good team, a tumor team. Um, they wanted Robbie's case, they wanted to try to check out and see if they could maybe remove the tumor because Chio was not comfortable with surgery. So, sure enough, we found out that sick kids was taking him on. Um he ended up with COVID. We all ended up with COVID almost, except for January. Somehow on the 7th of January, and on the 7th of January, they called and told us that we had to be at the hospital on the 12th of January, and his surgery was scheduled for the 14th.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02:

Of January, of January, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, within a couple of days, right? Yeah, holy smokes!

SPEAKER_04:

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't think I knew that you actually uh uh had your surgery or any kind of treatment in Toronto. That's uh that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. So we went and lived there for a few weeks. That was the only time like after that surgery, I think it was two days after. So the surgery initially left him blind. Um, he couldn't see. And because he never really had any pain, he would always just say uh he was uncomfortable, right? So the nurses, when we were trying to wean off some pain medications, he would be like, I'm really uncomfortable, and they wouldn't know that that was pain. Um, so we had to self-advocate for a couple times, but then they did get to know it pretty well, and he spoke up, but um, it was like two days after that surgery, and that was the first time he showed any um not discomfort, but any sorrow for the process. Yeah, that was the first time he kind of said, Mom, I hate my life. No, I didn't say that, I said oh, I forget what I said, but it's only like I asked, like, is it okay to say I hate if you hate your life, yeah? Yeah, yeah. And I said, Oh my goodness, no, you can't say you hate your life, but you can say you hate this process that you're going through at this moment. Yeah, and then he's like, fine, I hate what I'm going through right now. And I was like, that's okay, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, understandably, and also keep in mind, everybody, that like this is a 10-year-old trying to navigate all this stuff, right? This isn't this incredible 14-year-old strapping young man that we've got in front of us today. This is you know, you're 10 years old in a city that you don't live in, trying to talk to nurses that you don't know and tell them that you've got stuff going on. Um, no wonder. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it was fun. But we got up and we did walks once you could kind of see shapes. We could start colors colors, sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

I couldn't see shapes. Okay, there was colored footprints going down one hallway, so we would go to that hallway and then I would see the colors and know where we were going and just follow it, and that's what I couldn't see stuff other than colors and blur.

SPEAKER_04:

Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow, yeah. So we came home at the end of January and we went back to Ottawa, got refitted for a new mask because his skull had changed due to the surgery. Um, so we had to get another radiation mask, and he started radiation on February 5th.

SPEAKER_00:

And both my radiation masks are hanging on my wall. Yes, one Iron Man, like the original one was Iron Man. Yeah, the next one was Miles Morales Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_03:

Amazing. I love that.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. So we went the two of us went up to Ottawa from the beginning of February until the end of March. His last radiation session was I think March 23rd. So we came home on the 24th, and then we thought we were good, but he stopped eating, so we had an NG tube put in during radiation. Okay, and then we had a Mickey button put in in November of that year because he still wasn't eating anything orally. Um, he went down to 45 pounds was the lowest he went, and uh it was kind of scary, but then he was then diagnosed with ARPID as well, an eating disorder caused by the traumatic experiences of being sick in chemo and all of that fun stuff, right? Oh my goodness, and he had a couple eye surgeries because his brain tumor surgery left his one eye um tilted out, I believe. Yeah, and out.

SPEAKER_00:

It was out, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So your left your left eye was facing left.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and then in the summer of 2023, when we thought everything was good, we were able to breathe. Um, he had a freak episode of what they have now diagnosed. Uh smart syndrome, yeah. Seizure-like migraine attacks, post-radiation.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02:

Super rare in children.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

They actually did a case study of Robbie because it was so rare. It took three weeks to diagnose. Um, so it started with what we thought was like his shunt malfunctioning or another tumor. He showed the exact same signs of having another brain tumor. Um, so Picton was right on the ball. Thankfully, one of the nurses that lives across the road from us and has known my husband his whole life was working that night. I kind of brought him in and they immediately called sick kids, immediately had us in a helicopter within an hour. We were airlifted to sick kids, and it took a little while only because like they couldn't, it was so rare. It's such a rare thing that normally it's like 10 years post-radiation, and we were only a year and a bit.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, yeah, so it started off like he had like um absent seizures, so he didn't know who Jeremy and I were, and he couldn't say his name, he didn't know his name, and um, but he knew it was in a hospital and he knew it was blanky, and that was great. And then yeah, and then his episodes kind of lot like went from five minutes to ten and ten to twenty, and and then finally he had a full-on seizure that he went into a medical coma for for 24 hours. I never thought I was in a coma. Well, yeah, you yeah, you were sleeping for a full 24 hours because of the medication.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I knew like I remember like every time I would come out of one of the seizure like migraine attack things, I wouldn't know what day it was, what time it was, when it was, because I black out and don't know what's going on. It's like I'm sleeping when it's going on, but I'm awake.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Gosh, that sounds terrifying. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And so they started once they did finally decide it was the smart search room, they gave him uh three days of um depomedrol injections well through an IV. Um, and on the third day they were gonna stop, but he ended up having another one. Uh, just a small one, it lasted only 10 minutes, so they went a five-day course. But during that, um he forgot like what cats were or what a tree was. So, like we were trying to play games to try to get his memory. He forgot his sisters' names. They came up. Um, we were up there for my birthday, so they uh the girls all came up with my mom to see us for my birthday, and uh I mean that's kind of was hard because he's like, I know I know you, and I know you're my sister, but he had to confess like I'm sorry, which one are you?

SPEAKER_00:

Um so that was pretty hard, yeah. And we still have one of the games that we would play, which is just like a spotted game with cards and you have to try and match what what you have on a card, then the card on a deck, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

So it's nice playing it now, right? Um, because now he he keeps pace, he's a little bit slower than I am. I can still kind of kick his butt sometimes. Well, you're I'm 14, right? And there's also that, but I mean, considering when we started playing it originally, was in the hospital, and he didn't know what the color green was, and he didn't know what a tree was, and a teardrop, and all of those things on those on that game, yeah, it was it was hard. Yeah, so after that, um, he actually ended up having adverse reactions to the screws and the plates in the back of his head, because of course, so he had to have another surgery because they were actually protruding out of the back of his head. So he's playing goalie at this point, he's back to hockey, he's got a hockey helmet on, but he's having a hard time laying down or having the helmet touching the back of his head because the screws were literally like you could see the screw head coming out of his skin. Half an inch, quarter of an inch. Yeah, it was a good amount.

unknown:

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02:

So then they had to like redo the original incision and take them all out. So there is one plate and two screws left at the very bottom that for some reason never got touched because there was no reaction to them. Okay. Um but yeah, after he came home from that surgery, he was back on the ice in three days with his helmet on at goalie clinic.

SPEAKER_03:

Awesome. Through all of this, just the thing that keeps coming through my my mind is you just can't stop this kid, right? Like you throw everything at him and he just keeps coming.

SPEAKER_04:

So yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's kind of it's kind of shrug, right? When when it when you're going through it, but like from my perspective on the outside, it it is an incredible story. And uh you have faced so much, and um you're just such a shining example of what's possible. So uh thank you so much for going through it. Somebody's gotta do it somebody's gotta do it. You're right. Yeah, exactly. Um, so yeah, Robbie, how would you say this whole experience kind of has shaped your perspective on things? Uh like would you say it makes you a better goalie?

SPEAKER_00:

Probably not.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. Okay. From my perspective, just hearing about somebody who's gone something like that, I would say, you know, facing pucks might not necessarily be as scary after what you've been through, though, right? Yeah, it's true. And then your sisters, are you super close with them?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

One job in the room right now, not paying any attention.

SPEAKER_03:

As good siblings often do, right? Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Do you remember the uh helicopter rides?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh for the first helicopter ride, I remember getting a stuffy where when you pull the one like the right side leg and arm, the that same side, like either if you pull the leg, the arm goes in, and if you pull the arm, the leg goes in, and same with the left. Remember getting that and then casting out and then waking up and I was there.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

The second one, I'm pretty sure I was awake for most of it. You were hit and miss.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. In and out, yeah. Um and so you've named your brain tumor, right?

SPEAKER_00:

It went through two names.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

The first one was which was the first one? Okay, the first one was Lumpy, uh, and then the second one was Thanosh Jr. because I'm a Marvel fan.

SPEAKER_03:

That's a great name for a brain tumor. I love it. Was there a story with Lumpy, or is it just it was because it was it's kind of yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It was Lumpy tone.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Nice. I when I talk to brain tumor survivors, more often than not, I learned that they they mostly have named their brain tumors. And so uh yeah, I named my brain tumor Mr. Happy because it uh it just it was kind of an ironic name. It it was pretty much anything but Mr. Happy in there, um, making me pretty miserable for a lot for for well from my perspective from a long time, but um yeah Mr. Happy uh lived uh lived a short life and uh was removed quickly and um didn't cause me much grief. So uh it actually ended up being a good name.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because you were Mr. Happy at the end.

SPEAKER_03:

Then it turned into me being Mr. Happy, exactly. Yeah I hope you didn't turn into Thanos Jr. though. No, so yeah, I mean, of course, this experience doesn't just affect Robbie or the patient, right? So Abby or Jeremy, how did you see what happened uh affect your family?

SPEAKER_02:

That's really hard. Um the older three girls were Shelby was in her second year of college, um, and the twins were going off to their first year of college. So it was really, I think it was really hard for them um moving away. The twins weren't moving too far, they moved to Belleville, but Shelby was back in Oshawa, and it was hard for them to come home and see the drastic changes. When you live with someone going through treatment, the you changes are noticeable. You see the changes on a daily, but you don't notice them as much. Kind of like when your kids are growing up, you see them grow, but it's not like leaps and bounds, like all of a sudden, you know. Um, so when the girls would come home to visit, the changes in Robbie's appearance and his energy level were drastically changed.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um they had a really hard time with that. Um, it was also COVID, and with me focusing on Robbie, um, Kelsey and Jeremy were home and homeschooling off like from COVID. Um, and clearly, no matter what, Robbie was going through treatment, so nobody could have gone back to in person learning that was living in the home. Um, so that left Kelsey and Jeremy here alone. Um, I kind of stepped out as a mom for everyone else because I had to step in as a more of a caregiver than anything. Um, so dad had to play mom and dad for a lot of things. Um and it just from being a family that kind of struggles with faith to begin with, um I have noticed that it has really shaken like daughters, all four of my daughters' faith. Um they definitely struggle with why was it Robbie? Um you know, when he just kind of looks off now, or if there's any signs of like a headache, the first response for any of us is oh my god, here we go again. Um and I I would love to say that that one day that might go away. Um but it doesn't yet probably not for a while, probably not for a while, yeah. Um but now, like I've noticed, like even when any of my girls get sick or there is something like somebody needs a test or a scan. Um we think the worst at this point. We try not to, but we do because it took us so long to find out what was wrong with that Robbie that we kind of really don't trust our own judgment at this point anymore when it comes to medical issues.

SPEAKER_03:

And you've been through the worst, right? I think Picton Hospital needs to have like a Watson room just to like we'll work on that uh with them for sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

In the new hospital that we're getting, exactly. Um but no, it uh it definitely has changed, it has shaken faith, it has shaken your your whole being, like it just is it's hard, yeah. And we don't think you're gonna go through it, like you Picton is so small. We've had children go through Picton that have had childhood cancer. Um I've seen the survivors, and I have also seen the loss, and uh yeah, you just really I don't know, it's hard to explain. It's very hard to explain.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I'm sure I'm sure it wasn't easy going through it either.

SPEAKER_02:

Honestly, it's just gonna sound so weird, and I'm so sorry. Going through it, I think, is easier than now talking about it. Or now like looking back at pictures. Um, yeah. Then it was like blinders were on and it was there was a mission. You had to get through it. You're now through it. So now talking about it and looking back and memoring remembering the details of mom are hard.

unknown:

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like going through there's basically no emotion except like wonder and curiosity, and then now like after there's a whole bunch of emotions.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Well, and when you're going through, there's only one choice, right? Is you just gotta keep moving forward and get through, and um, there's really no alternate universe that exists. So, and now that you're on the other side, it's like, oh my gosh, all of the things that could have happened or all of the future things that are in play now. Um, I absolutely I understand that, yeah. Can you talk to me a little bit about how important your family, friends, and community in Picton were during the diagnosis and treatment?

SPEAKER_00:

They were very helpful. My mom would be able to say more, but they were very encouraging for to me, and they were just very nice. And Picton is the best.

SPEAKER_03:

It's an incredible community.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it really, it really is. Honestly, everyone here. Almost.

SPEAKER_02:

Robbie's famous now. We go to we went to our local fair on the weekend, and every time I turned around, Robbie was like talking to someone else, and our or all you hear is hey Robbie, or hey Robbie's mom, where's Robbie?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and even at school, some people that I don't really recognize people say, Hey Robbie, how's it going? And just I just am trying to think of how I know them, but sometimes I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, but they know you, they know your story, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no, the community um really they held us up. I mean, the organizations, the fire department, the churches, every single person in this community. If it wasn't for our community, our family and our friends, I honestly don't know how we would have made it through.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

With like knowing, like if Robbie and I were in the hospital and Jeremy and Kelsey were here, people would drop off food.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, or in the summer, that one summer when it was Jeremy, Robbie, and I up in the city, um, and our girls were here, people were bringing food, checking up on the girls, the girls were going to their houses, like spending time with people. It it just, I mean, honestly, the community rallied and did what it does best, I guess.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's awesome. Well, I'm gonna um I'm gonna stop uh part one there. Um, and so please join us for part two of our conversation, Beyond Brain Tumors, with Robbie Watson and his parents, Abby and Jeremy, as we discuss more of Robbie's childhood cancer journey, scoring touchdowns, and life after brain tumor treatment. All to come in the next episode of Beyond Brain Tumor Podcast.