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Reimagining Love and Empowerment: ValentiMe's Traditions and Challenging Gender Roles

Nicole Heller & Tracy Elizabeth Season 2 Episode 3

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Twenty years of marriage have taught me the profound beauty in creating traditions that speak love into the lives of those I cherish most. As I reflect on the personal journey of sticking heartfelt love notes on my children's doors, I'm joined by Nicole, a single mother whose perspective on Valentine's Day has evolved from one of sadness to an empowering celebration of gratitude and self-love. Together, we peel back the layers of this holiday, examining the tapestry of emotions it invokes and the significance of self-care amidst the month of love.

Nicole and I then waltz through the delicate interplay of traditional gender roles and the empowerment of modern women, a dance as intricate as it is essential. We lay bare our thoughts on managing a household and nurturing children while fiercely holding onto our independence. Our dialogue spans from the influence of past generations to the present-day quest for balance in love and partnership. This episode isn't just a conversation; it's an exploration of the complexities of contemporary societal roles and what it means to both serve out of love and stand strong in one's convictions.

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Valentine's Day Perspectives and Traditions

Speaker 1

Welcome back to a few of the thought empowering women's live , healthier lifestyles . I'm Tracy Elizabeth , I'm Nicole Heller and here we are .

Speaker 2

I'm so excited to be back . We are in out Valentine shirts , I'm so excited . So Valentine's , valentine's , so let's talk about that quickly . So I think that it bothers some people the way I say Valentine's day with an M . Does it bother you ? I can't hear it . I don't hear the difference that some people that have a little bit of a I don't know , is it a Long Island accent , maybe an Italian accent , I don't know . But like when I say it sometimes , when I say quick , I say Valentine's day , and it has a little bit of an M in there and I think that it bothers some people . Why would it bother people ? I don't know . Only people have a thing like potato potato .

Speaker 2

It's supposed to be like what an N , but whatever . So we do have our Valentine's Vineyard Vines shirts on today that are red and white and they have , like the whale with all the you know hearts on it , so it's my favorite . These were actually my son's old shirts . We're wearing Sean shirts . Yeah , these were Sean and Sean and Ryan's from back in the day , when they would wear matching shirts for Valentine's Day . Now they won't wear them anymore .

Speaker 1

Makes me so sad Time flies but it makes us feel good that we can wear their shirts , that's very sure these were their shirts from like fifth grade .

Speaker 2

Um , so we're coming to you today with Valentine's Day . Today is actually oh , she said it right Valentine's I'm watching your mouth . Yeah , valentine's Day . Um , so we're coming to you today on Valentine's Day , february 14th . Oh , I get to spend it with you . Oh , that's sweet . Um , so , with two perspectives . So I am married this year for actually 20 years , wild , oh my gosh , that makes me feel like super older , so you celebrated 20 plus Valentine's days with Terrence .

Speaker 2

Yes , well , we , well , we actually we started dating in 1988 . So I think that that makes us together for like even longer . Math is not my strong suit , but married this year for 20 years Okay , um , in November so and we have four kids together . Um , together forever , ever , like , forever , ever . You know , like one of those things celebrating lots and lots of Valentine's days , and you're coming from a perspective of not celebrating Single . So , like , what's your like ? How do you feel from a single perspective on Valentine's , like when you get up in the morning , or like through February , when you're seeing , like all the hearts and all , like the commercials , all the commercials for , like Jared and Cased Jewelers , and like all the all the flops like dinners yeah like how are you , how are ?

Speaker 1

you feeling emotionally about it .

Speaker 1

So in the past I would feel sad , I would dread the day , but I think I more so .

Speaker 1

I think my perspective changed after I had my son because he loved it , like he loved the excitement of like the chocolate and , like you know , the little cards and post it notes and that you know he would get for me .

Speaker 1

So I think that it was more for me of not really acknowledging the day of love with a significant other , but love just as a day to acknowledge that it's here , like let's just take the times who appreciate each other and really plan out something to do with him and make it more exciting that way .

Speaker 1

So I do wake up with a little bit of sadness and a little bit of hope that maybe one day I will get to celebrate Valentine's Day in a way that maybe you and Terence do or a lot of my other friends do , because there is a little bit of envy some days when , especially on social media , when you see the flowers come up in the breakfast and bed and Mr Rob , over here , I know you always do something great for your wife , like you know , that little bit of envy of saying I wish I had that , but then just everything that I've learned over the years to stay in gratitude and look at what I have and what can I do for myself , for me , to make that day special for me , and then also what I can do with AJ to make it fun and exciting .

Speaker 2

Is there something special you're planning today for yourself ? Nope .

Speaker 1

Yes , I am going to get a pedicure today and I purposely save that because you know it's my birthday . I don't know if you know . I know , I know it's your birthday month . I am well aware , so I elongate my birthday to the birthday month so I can space it out and do things for Valentine's Day and other things during this month that I , you , know don't always look full .

Speaker 1

It is self love , self care , february . So I got my nails done for my birthday Beautiful but I did not get the pedicure on purpose so that I can save it for today .

Speaker 2

I love that . Do you do anything special through the month of February ? Like for AJ ? Oh , I'm like . I know , I know you do things for yourself in the month of February , but like for like .

Speaker 2

I do so like I know , like for me , like the month of February and I think my kids like it's a tradition that I've always done and I think my kids are teenagers now , so like I feel like they're getting a little tired of it . But something that I really love to do is I buy those little foam hearts the dollar store or whatever . Actually , the dollar store didn't have them this year , so I ordered them on Amazon and I write on them like reasons why you know we love each other , like they make them write them to each other , and then I stick it on their door so .

Speaker 1

I'm not crafty right now , it's just a foam heart . It's like a big deal , it's like a shorty . That's not AJ style . Aj wants to go to tellers and order his lobster mac and cheese and order his steak . So , like AJ is more about like celebrating outside , like doing things , not just eating , but being able just to like maybe go to the movies or go bowling , like something that we typically don't do . Those little love cards and love notes I feel like that doesn't work for me and I feel like over time I've learned that set me up for disappointment , right Cause we wait for that for somebody else . So I think , just really having conversations about AJ asking what does he want to do on that day , I do buy him something like I'll make a little basket or like I don't know bag full of like his favorite things that we typically don't have in the house . But we mainly try and get out of the house and do something .

Speaker 2

I think that that's very sweet .

Speaker 1

I have a question for you . So 20 plus years celebrating this love day with your husband , like , did you feel like , over time , like any disappointments on Valentine's Day ? Since we're talking about wow , I spoke about it , yeah .

Speaker 2

So I have to say we have consistently done the same thing for Valentine's Tynes Day for 20 years . Like we , he buys me the same thing . We've never done like really big gifts for Valentine's Day . I feel you don't get a Louis Vuitton , no , not for Valentine's Day , christmas , my birthday , mother's Day , you know that's the end of my day .

Speaker 1

I don't know , I'm not so bad . He's both Valentine's Day .

Speaker 2

Valentine's Day has always been flowers and my favorite chocolate . So my favorite chocolate is Turtles . It's my favorite chocolate , and he always buys me flowers and Turtles . The right flowers , the right flowers Always the right flowers .

Speaker 1

What's your favorite ?

Speaker 2

flower . I mean , I do have a favorite flower .

Speaker 1

I know you do .

Speaker 2

But like I do love roses for Valentine's Day .

Speaker 1

Like it's just what color .

Speaker 2

For Valentine's Day . I do like red , but I do like pinks . I like different colors , like I like a variety .

Speaker 1

I like purple .

Speaker 2

I do like purple . I don't think I've ever gotten purple , but they're pretty .

Speaker 1

That's my favorite , but they're pretty , but I do like February .

Speaker 2

Of course , of course . But Valentine's Day has always been and I know this may sound , and I think we should talk about this a little bit I know this may sound not very , I don't know maybe empowered women , but Valentine's Day for me is a woman's holiday . I'll buy turns of card , but I don't really get him anything . Is that terrible ? Yes , I mean , sometimes I buy him a Reese's Heart , but they deserve love too . I do love him , but I do love him very much , but I get him a card .

Speaker 1

This is probably the only one time that I heard you speak of something that is a conditioned way of living that you're supporting .

Speaker 2

No , I want to talk about this because I was actually thinking about this this morning when I was getting ready and I wanted to talk about this today with you . I do feel like it's a woman's day , but I do love him and I expressed my love for him that day . She loves you , terrence . I do love him , she's on a public podcast .

Speaker 1

I love you .

Speaker 2

I do love you . I do buy him a card . He loves Reese's , so I'll buy him the Reese's Heart . You know what I mean . But he does buy me flowers . He buys me a card . He buys me the turtles every year . You know , when we were younger , before we had kids and Valentine's Day wasn't on a Wednesday , when we have four teenagers and they're going in 100 different directions , we would go out to dinner on the Wednesday . Now we probably go on the weekend because it is what it is in schedules . But so my question to you is this has been controversy and I have been researching it on the internet a little bit and seeing different reels .

Speaker 1

Did you ?

Speaker 2

ask Al no . So I've been seeing different reels about it and a lot of it has been coming up on social and a lot of it has been coming up in different blogs that I've been reading .

Balancing Traditional Roles and Women's Empowerment

Speaker 2

Do you believe that women today , in 2024 , can be in service of their husband ? What does that mean ? Wait , be I'm like , wait , wait , wait . Want to live traditionally , want to live to serve and be home and allow their husbands that role , while also feel empowered and strong and feminine as a woman Like do you believe that you can serve your husband and also be a strong , empowered woman ? I don't think so .

Speaker 2

Like I'm talking about roles of , like being home taking care of the children , Like the 30s and 40s my mom having food on the table when your husband comes home for more . Oh , that's out for me .

Speaker 1

No , that's out for you , for whoever ends up loving me .

Speaker 2

I mean like I got an Aunt .

Speaker 1

Friar .

Speaker 2

I'm like kind of like the old school . Old school like my grandmother . Like my grandmother would say , nicole , you know , when your grandfather was coming home from work , like I would fix my hair before he would come home . You know , like I would , you know , take my apron off , fix my hair and dinner would be on the table .

Speaker 1

Your grandmother also gave me advice no kissing on the first date .

Speaker 2

Right , right , but do you believe that you can live now , in 2024 , in that old school I don't want to call it old school , but that traditional mindset of being in service of your husband ? I want to say something . I want to say something . I mean it's listening to .

Speaker 2

Sarah , you look like you're struggling over there Because I want to say something , because what I've been reading on the internet and because what I want to say is very controversial and I don't want to honestly deal with the , with the backlash that we're probably gonna get Like a Betty Holm maker . It's not really a homemaker , it's really a oh my God , I want so it's in service of your husband .

Speaker 1

You're like saying , like do the women duties , but you don't want to say that . Is that what you're trying to say ? I guess so , but like a stereotype . Woman should be home , cooking and cleaning , but still be strong and independent .

Speaker 2

Yeah , stereotype is part of it , but really just taking care of your home . Taking care of your home and being there when your husband comes home and your husband is taking care of the other things . Your husband is taking care of the bills , your husband is taking care . He's working . You're not working . You're taking care of the children . You're taking care of the home . While also feeling strongly about certain having convictions and being strong and empowered , do you feel that you can take on both roles in the world as a woman ?

Speaker 1

It was . So I was thinking about it this morning and I was like kind of like in my prayer time and thinking like I want somebody to have some role of responsibility that I take on now , that I can kind of step back from Like I literally was saying this to myself in the car like I want to be able to come , like we just talked about this yesterday , where Terrence was like you gotta call the tax guy , you gotta make the appointment . I'm like all right , I'm on it , terrence , but I want that a man in my life to kind of take over . Like I have to actually call Rob's brother-in-law to come pick up my car to do an oil change , I have to pay my bills , I have to do the tax guy , I have to do those things .

Speaker 1

That as a single mom and a single woman , there are days that I do want a man just to take care of those things . That's kind of like what you're saying , and I don't think that if I met a man that was willing to do those things because he felt that that was his role and he was raised to be a man in that role , that I would take a step back and not be as independent or supportive or appreciative that I am now , I don't think that would change who I am . I think it just depends on the person of where they feel their role is and what's important to them and what's important in a relationship , right .

Speaker 2

So I think that when I think about Valentine's Day and how I show love for Terrence , like I consider myself a very strong , empowered , very strong Right , like a very strong , empowered woman through the years of developing my voice and I am at times a little too vocal about certain things but like when I think about showing my love to Terrence , like there are times that you know , like I will feel strongly about those traditions that my grandmother and my family have instilled in me .

Speaker 2

I do want to have dinner for Terrence , I do want to make sure that laundry is done , I do want to make the bed , I do want to do things that are , you know , those old school things for him and serve him in those ways , while also and being home with you know , as a mother , was a decision that Terrence and I made years ago when we got married that I would be home with our children and he would work and I would stay home with . That was a decision early on that I was not gonna work and I was gonna stay home . That's a decision we made together . So like that's something that's very important to me and that's a way that I show my love for him in service of him , you know , for our marriage , but that doesn't question my ability and strength as a woman . And empowerment and I think that's a lot of the controversy that I've been reading about is can we be in service of our husband , can we respect and honor them and serve them while also being able to remain strong and have our convictions ?

Speaker 1

Well , I think it's compatibility of who you're with and , like you said it three times , it was a decision and I think it was something how you were raised , how Terrence was raised , you guys came together that you were compatible , you discussed what you wanted in your relationship , what you wanted in your future , and it works . I think it's just a matter of the type of person that that woman is and the type of person that man is to come together and make that decision and some relationships . And I think that from my experience like I have a friend of mine where her husband is that man Like I want to come home , I want my dinner , I want the laundry done , I want the house clean , and she does it all and she's not bothered by it . And Valentine's comes , she gets the breakfast in bed with the little flowers and the nice card and flowers sent . She he's modeling that for their daughter , like so that that's something that she will expect , that she gets older and she has a boyfriend now 16 . So I'm sure she's waiting for those flowers and stuff .

Speaker 1

But I think it's just a matter of who you are as a person and who are you aligning yourself to be with and spend your life with Cause . It could go the other way . You can end up being that strong , centered woman that you don't want a man to do any of those things . And , like I said for me , I've been doing these things by myself , so I could be a person that says I don't need a man , Like , no , I want a man . Do I need one ? No , but I want one . And I do want those moments that I can serve and make dinner maybe but order .

Speaker 1

But no , there've been times that I've made things for people that I like , cause I wanted to , and it makes me feel good , even if it's burger and an air fry or like I may do something . So I think that it's a good thing to be , that way .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I mean Terrence made dinner last night . It was great . Well , I think , all right . So it's Valentine's Day and I think we want to leave everybody with , whether you're fixing your hair and getting yourself feeling amazing for your husband , or if you're doing it for yourself , yeah , if you're doing it for yourself , or if you're getting ready to take out your son , or hang out with your daughter and go get your nails done , whatever it is , make it that time where it's just about looking inward and loving .

Speaker 1

Yeah , and don't get caught up in the social media of what other people are doing and what they're receiving .

Speaker 1

Oh my goodness , please , like I said , there could be that moment that you look at something and feel a certain way , but just take a deep breath and poise and know that you can control your own happiness on this day . People brush it off like it's commercialized holiday in it . It can be , but it can also be what you make it out to be . So do what you want to do and don't focus on what you don't have . Focus on what you have , and I think that that's one beautiful thing that I've learned , like maybe I'll go and buy myself flowers today , like purple roses . I like that .

Speaker 2

I'll buy you flowers .

Speaker 1

Yeah , Maybe let's see . It's not on my agenda , but if I felt I was missing something then I would go do it myself . I want to sit there and cry that no one's buying me flowers .

Speaker 2

I think that's a really good takeaway . And since we talked about , like you know , this season being all about like going unplugged and getting your yeah together , you know that whole thing , Like if you're feeling like something's missing , do it Go get it . Like just do it , like there's no reason to sit there and cry about it , like get your stuff together .

Speaker 1

Yeah , Go make it happen . I mean , I hated Valentine's Day for so long and I would complain the whole month and that's why I turned my birthday into a big thing . And then Valentine's Day is not really a big thing , but it's a day that I know that I'm not going to focus on and sit here and dwell that I'm still single and I'm not getting anything . But I can do whatever I want myself to make myself happy .

Speaker 2

And I think the best marriage advice I can give is that if your husband is not doing something that you expect him to do , it's just communicate and just tell him oh my goodness , yes , just tell him Like you want flowers .

Speaker 1

If you want the purple flowers , just tell him you want the purple flowers .

Speaker 2

Like , stop expecting something that he has no idea about . Like , just tell him . Like , just make it happen . All right , I'm down . Happy Valentine's Day . Happy Valentine's Day . Thank you so much for hanging out with us . We will see you guys on the next episode . All of our handles are below . We would love to hear how you spent your Valentine's Day , whether you were married for 500 years , like me , whether you were hanging out single with Tracy . I am currently taking applications for anyone that would like Tracy to cook a hamburger in her air fryer for you . I am taking the applications directly .

Speaker 1

She's manifesting it , I am manifesting it .

Speaker 2

I am taking the applications directly , tracy is single and I will be taking interviews . Please check out my handle below . I will see you guys next time . Hashtags have a good day , guys .