Episode 35: Chilly Half, AI Trainer 🤖, 2026 Goals 🎯, Toronto Half & Sporting Life 10k Previews!

In this episode, Conor and YüBaí chat about the Chilly Half Marathon, Conor's AI trainer Pace, our 2026 goals, the Toronto Half & Sporting Life 10k race previews and more exciting news!

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Date Recorded: 2026-03-10
Date Released: 2026-05-02

Song: Bonsaye - Work of Art (Instrumental Version) (Royalty Free Music)

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Oh I know it was brutal though. Like afterwards, like you have this feeling in your throat and like your arms are heavy, and I was like, what is going on here? Well, actually, I know Dermot, so Dermot's much healthier than I am. Shout out to Dermot, friend of the pod.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

He eats raw broccoli as a snack. I know, right? But you don't need a visa to visit China anymore.

SPEAKER_03 0:23

Good news, bad news. Good news is you're very fast. Bad news is your diet needs work and and the good news is you're very fast. Bad news is you're very fat. That's very doable for you. In fact, a sub 230 marathon might just be hiding beneath the weight. Ruthless. Ruthless. I guess I'm just scarred from my run-ins with the cartel. Anyway, you're run-ins specifically with a cartel. I saw some smoke.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

We might be getting off track yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

Welcome to the R4 Running Podcast, episode 35, recorded on March 10th, 2026. My name is Connor, and today with my co-host UBI, we chat about the 2026 Chili Half Marathon, my AI trainer pace, our 2026 goals, the upcoming Toronto Half, and Sporting Life 10K, some more exciting life news and more.

SPEAKER_03 1:37

Welcome to episode 35 of the R4 Running Podcast. We're back, even though we didn't really go away, but we did for a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

I'm your host, Connor, with And this is you by Let's Go. We are back. This is officially the first podcast of 2026. 2026.

SPEAKER_03 2:01

Yes. The last time we recorded was the last day of 2025. And now we are what's the date today? March 10th? March 10th. March 10th, 2026. The intervals are getting shorter, which is good. Shorter. It would have been it would have been as well actually, I think we promised like a week or two. But would have been short, but you buy made it a little tricky. He did too much coughing last episode. Not sure if you were under the weather, buddy. I have health concerns. Health concerns. That's why the podcast is late, everybody. Because you buy's health concerns. But we're back better late than never. It's true. Is actually a very true statement.

SPEAKER_01 2:43

And how you been? I've been better. Not as concerned about my health anymore, which is good. You've been better, but you're not better. Or you am better. I am better. Okay. No, it's been good. We're getting some surprisingly warm weather in Toronto this last couple days. Is it surprising? Kinda, no?

SPEAKER_03 3:01

I mean, it's surpr it's surprising just because we had, I guess, such a bad winter.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

But I mean I I was driving today and you know the uh the temperature clock on your car, it read 24.

SPEAKER_03 3:13

I don't know what it is about those like temperature readers on cars, but I I swear to god it's always a couple degrees warmer than it is. Because I think it peaked at plus fifteen or plus sixteen today. Right. But when I was in the car at one point and it said plus eighteen, I was like, there's no way it's plus eighteen. Right. But it is it was a very beautiful day. The snow is almost completely gone.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

But we might be getting it back in the next couple days. Very sadly. You got a teaser in like March and then it goes back to deep freeze and it comes back again. Hopefully it's not deep freeze. Hopefully it's just but the days are getting longer though. Daylight savings time. Is that true? We just literally changed our clocks like spring forward this past weekend. Bruh. Bruh. Nobody changed our clock. That's basically seven o'clock. Nobody changed their clocks.

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Their clocks all just auto-changed. Well system-wise, the clock, we sprung forward. I gotta be honest, I forgot about it, and I just woke up and I think I was just a little bit more tired than usual, and then it wasn't until like at nighttime, and Shima was like, You realize like we lost an hour today. And I was like, We did?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

It's seamless, you know? Did you hear that BC it's uh eliminating daylight savings time altogether? Why? They they've been wanting to do this for a while now, and they were trying to get Washington and California on board, but they're not getting on board for whatever reason. So BC literally announced two weeks ago that this will be the last time that BC will change its clock. So in the fall, it's not gonna fall back anymore. So the time difference, like Vancouver's always three hours behind behind, but now it's gonna be two hours behind.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

So yeah, the implications are that we are going to fall back in Toronto. Right. And Vancouver will not, and uh all the other cities in the two provinces, and therefore during that period of year, we'll be only two hours apart?

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Yes. Interesting. So Vancouver will follow the same time zone as Calgary and Edmonton. Interesting. Interesting. I did not know about this. What news outlet is covering this? Every news outlet.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

I guess I should watch the news.

SPEAKER_01 5:14

This is why I pay for cable. She laughed, but I pay for cable. Boomer. I've still met I still haven't met anyone else that's under the age of 50 that actively pays for cable. You know what I mean? Like personal home use.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

Back uh I can't remember, it must have been 20 like 17, 18, maybe 16, I was living in North York, and they were trying to upsell me on some cable thing, and they were literally like, We we will not only give you the cable for free, we will make your internet cheaper. Like, so my the internet will say it was fifty bucks, and they said if you sign up for the cable, because I just kept saying no, no, no, no, no. And originally it was just gonna be like, oh, it's worth a hundred bucks, but we'll throw it in for an extra twenty five, and I was like, no thanks. They're like, we'll throw it in for an extra ten, and I was like, no thanks. And they say, we will give it to you for free, and I was like, no thanks. And they were like, we will give you ten dollars off your internet. And I said, Listen, on principle, as a millennial, I cannot in good conscience sign up for cable.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

I'm getting ripped off here.

SPEAKER_03 6:18

Because it's a dying like technology, just yeet it, get rid of it, it's done. It's it's over, it's done. And I clearly they had some like you know, bonus that they get if they sell enough uh cable subscriptions or something. Anyways, there's a little advice if anyone's getting sold on cable, just keep saying no a hundred times. And the moral of that story is I did not get cable. And now he doesn't know about daylight saving time changes in in BC. That's true. That's true. I mean I didn't even know that it happened here because I'm not following the news. I follow news just not like well, I was gonna say normie news, but really the news I follow is just like super AI focused and tech focused. If it doesn't have anything to do with open AI or Anthropic or Google Gemini models, I basically don't know about it. So Well, this is why the rest of us are here to keep you informed.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

I appreciate that, buddy. I appreciate that. What else has been happening over the last two and a half months or so? Not much, buddy. Not much? Not much. Because every time we've been recording every time we've recorded a podcast in the last three or four podcasts, a new significant life event has happened to you. Are we gonna keep the streak going? Are we gonna keep the streak going? Do you have any significant life updates to show this time?

SPEAKER_03 7:33

Yes, yes. Well, actually, who is gonna. I know Dermot listens. We've only got a few listeners, but who is probably have to let him know. Friend of the pod, Dermot Kenny, in advance of this coming out. Or actually, maybe maybe that's a good way for him to find out.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

You just get a random message two weeks from not going to go, oh my god, come on, did this happen? What?

SPEAKER_03 7:49

If he's not listening to the pod, you will know. We're gonna know you're gonna know. You're not gonna hear from him.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

He's like, yo, I've been I've been waiting.

SPEAKER_03 7:57

You keep telling us you listen to the pod, but yeah, yeah. Friend of the pod, Dermot Kenny, you better be listening. And we're not gonna put this in the cold open so that he knows that we're not gonna at you in the social release. Yes, big uh big news. Last time we got married, a couple times before that we got engaged. And this time, I am now a soon-to-be father.

SPEAKER_01 8:15

Let's go! Let's go. Congratulations. Thank you, thank you. On behalf of the 13 listeners for the on more podcast, you have all of us behind you during this journey ahead.

SPEAKER_03 8:25

You never know. Sometimes there's upwards of a hundred, you know. We get the triple digits a couple times. Okay. And uh yeah, say goodbye to my running fitness T minus six months. You're making excuses already. I'm just saying, I think uh you lose a little bit of sleep. And uh I definitely know people that disappeared. Alex Kudalenko. Did you ever meet Alex? I don't think so. I think it was before you joined Blacktoe. Alex was someone that was right above me speed-wise. He was running a 114 half marathon at the time, and I remember it was one of these like blacktoe runs, it was just loops around the CE. I can't remember if he was shirtless, but he was in fantastic shape. And he had a kid. And he just disappeared. I've seen him like twice since then.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Is that gonna be you? Shout out to Alex Kudalenko.

SPEAKER_03 9:13

I mean, you've equipped black toe already, so I don't think that's gonna be an issue. No, I'm not gonna disappear entirely. I just think there's gonna be the there's gonna be other priorities for a few months of life. Anyways, yes, very exciting news. And do you want a review of the gender? Oh yeah, we're having a baby boy. There you go. Hashtag future Olympia. Ah, we can actually I gotta cut that because he could be listening to this. And uh, oh yeah, that's weird. Wow. Hello, son. From years in the past. I guess if Hello from 2026. Yeah, hello from 2026. That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I mean, like I have a lot of digital footprints without your podcast and Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:00

But I mean, if he were gonna listen to one I mean, wow, that's so weird. That's so weird. Because like for the first at least five years of his life, he's not gonna be listening to podcasts. Right. I would imagine the earliest my son starts getting into the pot the potting would be probably age six or seven, but more realistically, you know, nine, ten, eleven.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Yeah. So it's like gonna be a decade before He's gonna listen to your initial, not your initial reaction, but you one of your first reactions of you finding out that he's been conceived on a pod. Yeah, yeah. That's wild. This is what my dad thought about me when he first found out that you know I'm gonna be here.

SPEAKER_03 10:41

Could you imagine if I if my father, good old Gord. Let's go Gord. Let's go Gord. If he was recording a podcast with one of his buddies and he was talking about how my mom, shout out mom, Bridget, uh, was pregnant with me. That'd be that'd be wild.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

But imagine you being able to like in those sci-fi movies, you being able to time travel back to when you were first conceived, and then Gord is talking to one of his buddies, like, oh, I just found out that you know I'm gonna have a child, I'm gonna have a son, and then you're just like a fly on the wall listening to that conversation of like a 30-something Gord. Yeah, that'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

I'm not sure which he's got a couple good buddies. Shout out to Ken, shout out to JP. And uh probably, yeah, at some point he was chatting with them. Yeah. And it was just like, yeah. Except I was not the first. I was the second.

SPEAKER_01 11:34

Anyways. It's taking Connor some time to I think every day you're gonna start to realize that you're dad in a different way, that you can be a father to be in a different way. Yeah, I will say uh this is one of those moments that you're like, yo.

SPEAKER_03 11:45

It definitely uh hits a bit later, I think, for the guy in terms of the fact that I'm not the one growing a human right now. Yeah. Shout out to my loved one, Shima. You're doing great, sweetie. You're doing great. Protect the baby, that's what we always say. Protect, frankly, you have to protect the baby. And uh she's doing great. I mean, she's spinning some rough they should not call it morning sickness, they should call it all day sickness, depending on how you how you're doing with it. But she's been having a rough-ish time. Hopefully, though, we're getting close to the 14 week mark, and I think according to Instagram, you're all the news, the relevant news comes from Instagram. Honestly, a lot of relevant news for pregnant women does come from Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 12:25

Has she gotten onto TikTok yet? Much better.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

I don't know if the TikTok algorithm is much better. 100%.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

It's 200 times better. The algorithm's better, but is the content better? Instagram is just the content that TikTok had like eight weeks ago.

SPEAKER_02 12:39

I see. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:41

So we should get on TikTok. So if you want the latest, you go to TikTok. If you're like, oh, I don't like TikTok, and then six weeks later you found this funny video, you send it to your friends. We're like, yeah, we know that trend happened on TikTok like two months ago, and now we're over it.

SPEAKER_03 12:53

Problem is I don't know if I spent enough time to even know what the trends are. I do know I do we we like to call it AI Slop Before Bed where we watch a little bit of AI Slop, and I do really like the kittens. Have you seen the kittens? The AI kittens? No. Yeah, yeah. See, our our algorithms are feeding us different stuff.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

I watch many, many cat videos. Are they AI generated? No, it's the same clips of like a dozen cats doing different things and then they put them into different like human storylines. Like, I went to school today and my grandma was a principal. It's like it's just a bunch of cats running around doing things.

SPEAKER_03 13:26

Oh no, ours are all AI generated. They do these little dances. Like, do you know the dance where they do the thing and then they put the leg up and they dance like that? You don't know? I've seen a few of them. Are they AI though? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the cats, they got the cats because like the humans would actually do the dance. It was like a trend. Where I gotta here. The listener can't see this. But they do something and then they go, you know you don't you don't remember that? No. Alright, that was a trend. And then on on top of that trend, there was a trend where they had AI kittens doing that dance, and boy oh boy, was it cute. The fact that the kittens had human hands was a little off-putting.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

But uh anyways, baby on the way, and uh we're gonna try and uh hit some massive PBs before then because I mean I know we talk about do you do you want to share if you want your kid to get into sports, to get into running specifically?

SPEAKER_03 14:15

I now have to to, you know, I I I guess I'm in future father mode in case my son ever listens to this. He can do whatever he wants. I just want him to be happy. If he wants to do sports, he can do sports. If he wants to not do sports, he can not do sports. Whatever he wants, you know. I have no strong feelings on the matter. Alright. I will love him no matter what.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

If you have any parenting tips, please email R4 running pot.

SPEAKER_03 14:40

Yeah, just send them you by R4 Podcast is the Instagram handle, and he will relay them to me. I guess that'll be our new corner is uh the parent. Parent corner parent corner. Yeah. You know? And at some point we'll I'll be doing well, if I'm sleep deprived, will we be recording an R4 episode? Potentially not.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

But I feel like you're just gonna be at home every single day for three or four months or so. That's true. At some point Yeah, you're not gonna be tending to to the baby boy twenty four hours a day.

SPEAKER_03 15:08

Not twenty-four hours a day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

So maybe he can make a guess appearance from time to time.

SPEAKER_03 15:14

If he wants to. I mean, at what at what point does he have the wherewithal to know whether he wants to be on a pod or not? Say four or five. That would be pretty cute. A little voice. That'd be pretty cute.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

Alright.

SPEAKER_03 15:28

What's up next?

SPEAKER_01 15:29

Anyway, so uh You also had I mean, before I guess was it after you guys found out the that Shim was pregnant, you decided to go and take a trip? Oh yeah, that was after, that was after. Yeah. Was it the smartest thing to do, finding out that your wife is pregnant and deciding to go to Mexico?

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Well, we she she desperately wanted to leave the winter because it was so depressing. Yeah. And yeah, she needed a little break. And she was switching jobs and had a few days off. So it was a great idea. We ended up, long story short, we'll skip a lot of the details. I covered this on my other podcast, ADSP LePodcast.com. It's a tech podcast, but we took a break from tech and we talked about the cartel chaos. Because we ended up down in Mexico when the Mexican military decided to take out El Mencho, the number one most wanted man in Mexico and arguably the world, according to some. And the cartel, the Jalisco cartel, revolted, they lit a lot of cars on fire, they killed many military people. I don't think any Americans or tourists were killed, although that was the crazy part, is typically cartel stuff avoids tourist hot zones. They did not avoid tourist hot zones this time. The Puerto Vallarta airport got shut down for a day or two. And the the funny part of the story is that we're sitting on the beach in the morning, and we see right before lunchtime, like a bunch of 12 people get up, take all their stuff, and go, and we're like, wow, our lucky day. Like no one ever takes their towels and like frees up stuff, so we're like, well, we might as well get closer to the water. And then when we're finishing lunch, we see some people talking, and then we notice like the beaches taped off with like, you know, the police tape. We're like, whoa, what happened? We talk to this guy, and he's like, Oh, there's been some shootings and people killed, and then he points to the horizon and he's like, and some things set on fire, and you can see like billowing smoke from the hills. And we were like, What? And he's like, Yeah, I'm gonna go hunker down in the hotel, and then I quickly hop on Twitter. Honestly, I i it was fine. Like, obviously, it's not great, but at the end of the day, we were never unsafe. We stayed on the resort. The odds that the cartel was gonna like infiltrate the resort, I pegged at a very, very low chance, and even then, there's hundreds and hundreds of people on the resort.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:54

The odds that if we hid in our room, they were gonna come into our room specifically is like next to zero. Yeah. Pretty wild though. I did have the thought when our plane was finally taking off because our flight got cancelled and we had to rebook. I was like, please, please, because they were talking about how the cartel did have like rocket launchers that were capable of taking down air aircraft.

SPEAKER_05 18:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

And I was because you you had there in our lifetimes there have been in certain parts of the world. Like there was a Turkish flight, yeah, and I think that there was a flight that he was either going out of Iran or flying near Iran that have been shot down accidentally. It's always accidental. But yeah, I did have a little thought in my head that was like, so hopefully we just hit altitude and then we'll be good to go. And we ended up we had to fly back to Montreal, yeah, stay over in Montreal for a night. And anyways, pretty crazy story. Pretty crazy story. And the moral of the story is What is the moral of the story? Don't vote for Trump.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

Did Trump have anything to do with the Carthagas in Mexico?

SPEAKER_03 18:53

Trump has everything to do with everything. We initially were going to Cuba. Yeah. Our flights got canceled there because he invaded Venezuela. True. And then there was an oil embargo, and now Cuba doesn't have oil, so all of the flights until the end of April, and I think they might have extended it to the end of May have been canceled because planes aren't flying there. Then we went to Mexico. The reason that they're cracking down then the cartel, which is not a bad thing. Yeah. Cracking down on cartels, encouraged, but is because Trump is pressuring them to do more about it. And and yeah, and uh uh my uh fiance's sister has a trip going to Egypt, and they might have to cancel that. That's in like a few weeks. So what's happening in the Middle East? Yeah, we were visiting them uh whatever a couple days ago, and it's just like we were remarking like no one can go, like no one can go anywhere now. It's just like like what world are we living in? Can't go to Cuba, can't go to Mexico, can't go to anywhere near the Middle East. Brutal, brutal.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

But you don't need a visa to visit China anymore. Is that because of Trump? No, I think it's with Carney. Oh, well. Not because of Trump, though.

SPEAKER_03 20:05

I thought I was gonna say you you win some, you lose some. No, you lose some for voting for Trump, and you win some for having a great PM like Kearney. I th are we also getting BYDs that's like the Chinese Tesla? I heard some uh Oh, I heard that too.

SPEAKER_01 20:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:20

That was the car that Shima and I looked into getting.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Yeah. But I've seen like, again, TikTok videos of those cars. They look amazing.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

And they're also like, we looked into it because the I think the cheapest It's a lot cheaper, right? Yeah, the cheapest Tesla I want to say is like$60,000 or something like that, plus or minus. The cheapest BYD is$20,000. Yeah, that's insane. And importing it from another country into Canada, I think, has a 25% tariff. Right. And the closest country that sells it is Mexico. And so I looked into flying to Mexico, buying a BYD and then driving it back, and the catch is that if you drive it through the US, regardless if you're a citizen there, they would just assume that you were driving it to sell it there, and so they would have also charged you, which I think they charge 25% as well. But if you multiply 1.25 by 1.25 by 20,000, it's still like cheaper than like 50% cheaper than the cheapest Tesla. Wow. Unfortunately, it is illegal to drive a non-sanctioned brand in Canada. But like that was like we would have come out like$30,000 ahead, including flights, by taking a flight down to Mexico and a road trip. Although, in hindsight, maybe driving through like the non-metropolises of Mexico up towards America is not necessarily the best idea. Although people buy at the border, people do road trips down to Mexico all the time. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I I guess I'm just scarred from my recent incidental my run run-ins with the cartel. Anyways.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

Your run-in specifically with the cartel.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

I saw some smoke. Anyways, how about you? You I I heard you recently went to Guelph. How what are your traffics been like in the last time?

SPEAKER_01 21:55

It's much less exciting than going to Mexico and fighting the cartels all by yourself and we're calling. Well, I didn't fight them. Just had a visual run-in.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

A visual run-in.

SPEAKER_01 22:05

A visual run-in.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

And I saw some crazy things on Twitter. So. Alright. This is it's pretty much like you were there. I was there.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

I was there.

SPEAKER_03 22:13

Just not right in.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

In the middle of the war zone.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

I mean, I technically was in the middle of the war zone. I just wasn't at the epicenter, you know? Connor War Survivor. We have the uh war survivor back. Cartel Retaliation Survivor. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

That's what I have. Alright. No, I was in Guelph last night there for a walk trip today. It was fine. The city, very quiet. Yeah. I went out for dinner by myself and finished dinner around 8 30 p.m. and wanted to go to a shoppers or rec sell just to get some chips. Everything was closed at 8 o'clock. No. Every drug store was closed. I was staying Shoppers?

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Shoppers is minimum close minimum closed.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

There wasn't a shoppers within like a 20-minute walk radius of me, and I was staying right in downtown Guelph. There's a few recels and drugstores nearby, but all of them were closed at 8 o'clock. Brutal. Yeah. I think go to like one of those weird convenience stores just to get some chips.

SPEAKER_03 23:05

And shoppers is infamous, infamous for uh being open till like uh midnight.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Yeah. And I wanted to go and grab a drink at their most popular Irish pub or whatever in downtown. It was cash only. Are you kidding me? What is happening? See, I only want to go in just like one beer, watch the World Baseball Classic, which I'm sure you know all about. Nope. And they're like, yeah, it's cash only. I'm like I have like five bucks on me. That's not gonna get me a drink. It's not gonna get me a drink.

SPEAKER_03 23:30

I mean, if they were giving you a discount for the tax evasion that they're doing, it probably would have been five bucks, but wow, cash only.

SPEAKER_01 23:38

Cash only. That's wild. I was like, who right? Like what's I mean? They're like, oh, we have an ATM. I'm like, no, on principle, I'm not gonna go in just because you have an ATM at your pop.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

I mean, I like the Norwegian countries where not only are they like nowhere's cash only, 90 to 95% of businesses, including like flea markets, well, actually the flea markets I assume take cash. But 95% of businesses only take credit card. Right. They don't actually accept cash, which I freaking love, because I never have cash on me.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Did you know that in Australia you don't have physical IDs like driver's license? That sounds fantastic. It's like an app on your phone. So if you have your phone, you could just present it and they can scan and do whatever, so you have you don't need to bring a wallet. Amazing. There's like health cards, amazing. Government ID, whatever it's all mobile.

SPEAKER_03 24:30

In fact, I want to take that a step further. Just store my information in some data bat database. You want like a barcode tattooed on you? Not a barcode. Just do facial I mean, if my phone can facially recognize me, some d police database should be able to as well. I'm happy for them to store my facial ID. Like, honestly, wouldn't you prefer every time you went to some you know institution that requires an ID for something, you just to walk up and then it has a little gate in the same way that you like, you know, scan your credit card getting on the subway, you just boop boop, and then in you go. Fantastic. They have some of that already, no? Not in Canada. Not in America. I mean, what place do you know that you can just scan your face for like age verification?

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Like I guarantee you there's I know in like sports stadiums when you go to the concession stands.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:15

I think now you don't need to pay. Well, no, you uh you need to pay, but I think they scan you. Which sports stadium? I don't know. I I need to do more than Canada?

SPEAKER_03 25:25

I mean, I do know that I think that there's a sports stadium in the States, maybe in California. And I don't I don't know if it's uh who's the billionaire guy that's no sh the Shark Tank guy who owned the Mavericks at one point. Oh Mark Cuban? Yeah, Mark Cuban. I'm not sure if it's one that he's invested in or there's some other guy, but they invested in some really high tech, and like all of the hot dogs are cheap and the beer is cheap. And I think there's some kind of fancy payment system there as well. But anyways, it's in our future, and that is, anyways, getting back to Guelph. That is brutal that they are cash only.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Um we might be getting off track here.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Well, to be honest, there hasn't I mean we've both been running, but and there's we do should we should talk about some running stuff, but it's been a brutal winter, and there hasn't been a ton of running stuff that has happened in between the last two months.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

There's been some. There's been some. Do you want to cover the world of running at large before we get into our own little Sounds like a plan. Sounds like a couple things that we had in mind. The Atlanta track club, the recent controversy or debacle.

SPEAKER_03 26:38

The the specifically they were hosting the US ATF half marathon championships. No, was it half? I can't remember if it's half or full or full. Yeah. Might have been full. Who knows? Doesn't matter. They were hosting some qualifier for worlds. And like a mile before the end of the race, there's first, second, third place, Jess McLean and two others. Yeah. And what ended up actually happening is the person that was supposed to be there directing got called because they're police officers, because someone got hit by a car. And so they had to respond. Yeah. They weren't there to direct. The car went the wrong direction, and they ran off course for like a kilometer. So they ended up finishing like I think it was like seventh, eighth, and ninth or something, not not in the top five. And therefore, they didn't get the prize money. First place was 20 grand. And more importantly, or actually, I don't know what their life situation is, but also they did not get the top three spots which would have qualified all three of them for the worlds. Yeah. And so there's been a bunch of, you know, kind of outrage and how could you let this happen? Blah, blah, blah. They are getting the prize money, ATC is paying them. They haven't figured out how to get them the spots because it's very complicated. Like the top five would all have to pass. And then after that, it goes to world ranking. So every single person that was ranked higher than those three people would also have to pass. Yeah. And there's no way of like guaranteeing that everybody would. Like, in theory, no one would because you would be like the world's most hated person on like the internet for a while. So odds are everyone would do it. But the reason that that's so crazy is that just this past weekend, the same thing kind of happened at the LA Marathon. You saw the clip of the guy, so the Kenyan lost by like a fraction of a second. Yeah, 0.01 second. Yeah, because it's American. I think his name was Nathan. I'm gonna say Miller, but that could be wrong. I think his first name was Nathan, though. He and he was sprinting. If you look at the video, he's like way out. The other guy's basically about to collapse, which he does as soon as he passes the line. I saw that. And Nathan blows by him and just catches him at the line. And I thought it was amazing. That was the first video I saw as well. But then I saw on YouTube and on Twitter as well that there was a couple Kenyan fans, women's uh two Kenyan women, that hopped on the course with flags and kind of ran in front of him, probably accidentally. Like there's no way they meant to do it. Obviously, they're fans of him. But he got confused, ended up taking the wrong side of like a barrier, and then ended up having to double back. Yeah. People say it cost him eight to ten seconds. Right. And he lost the race by like less than a second. A fraction of a second. Brutal. And the thing is, this one, it's not actually like the race organizers' fault, really. Like it did actually look a little bit confusing because there were some motorcyclists and cyclists that could have been positioned a little bit better. Yeah. But mostly like, what are the what are these people doing on the course? Like, get get off the course. I I blame the the fans more than I do. You know, some people were saying that every major marathon should do what Berlin does and Boston does, where they paint like the optimal path. Right. Um so there's always like a blue or like a triple line thing. So like even if you're exhausted, all you need to do is stare at the ground. Yeah. I mean, that's a good idea, but that is a twenty-six miles is like uh quite a bit of work to do that. And I don't know. I don't know. Do you have you have you have a solution? Do you have thoughts? That's a good enough excuse.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

This one though, the LA one? But I feel like for both of them, even the ATC one, you should have more than one guy that could that could know the correct path of the thing, right? Yeah, I like why would you hire someone to do this job when they could be called off to do something else in the middle of it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:32

Well, that's actually I heard on one podcast and I was actually talking to someone else, and or it was it well, maybe it was Shima actually, that both people had the same suggestion. It's like take humans out of the equation. You know what wouldn't have messed up the course? The AI. Yeah, a robocar. You know? Like honestly, like a Tesla with like a pre-programmed path, it doesn't make a mistake.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

Like there's no way it makes a mistake. Yeah. But I feel like for most of those things, like, don't you have at least a couple people that's that's leading it? Uh you need more than just one person that that's leading it, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:01

What if the person that's leading it like gets sick and just like so I don't actually, so there was there there was a person at like a crucial turning point, but if you take a look at the the marathon course, yeah, now that I'm remembering, it's definitely a marathon course, but it is like it looked like there was 50 turns. This was not like a you know the Toronto marathon, if you count the turns, it's pretty straightforward. You know, there's like one, two, three, four, then it's an out and back, then it's an out and back with a couple more turns in the other direction. But it's like, for the most part, you're just running straight.

SPEAKER_05 31:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

This one though, like, at certain sections it looks like you're taking a turn like every 400 meters. Yeah. And so you can't expect that you're gonna have like multiple people on every single corner. Although I don't know. I bet they wish they had have. And I guess they're police officers too, right? Like it's just I mean, that's the thing. I guess you should have police officers and volunteers.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Like, because you volunteers need both, especially the the folks that's leaving the pack, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:55

Uh especially too. Now that you think of it, it's it's a USATF like qualifying event for worlds. Yeah. Of course, it should be a sanctioned event. We need it is a sanctioned event. So you yeah, you're right. You should have way more. It shouldn't just be like a single single point of failure. Although I guess it's actually two points of failure. It's the fact that the people weren't there to direct, but then also like the the car that was driving like didn't know where they were going, clearly, because they were relying on this person to direct, and because they weren't there, they didn't know. Like they should have some kind of actually, actually, what actually what's going on here? You have a lead vehicle that doesn't have some kind of like root. It takes an iPhone or an Android phone with like a pre-programmed. What is going on here? Like, are you telling me that every single time it comes to a corner, like, they're looking to Yeah, to a human to like you know, with a little pylon-esque like what is going on here? This is a good point. We're breaking breaking some real ground. I haven't heard anyone talk about how did the driver mess this up. Why why why is it the police officer's fault that wasn't there to direct? Also, though most of these things have more than one driver? Like more than one car. I think there was multiple uh I mean there's there's one car, just one car, one lead vehicle in this case.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

So I feel like even at this like local community 5K races, it's like two or three people in the bikes, right?

SPEAKER_03 33:14

Yeah, I think at I think at this point there weren't any cyclists. It was just like this lead vehicle. That is a great point, though. Why do they not have like GPS directions? In fact, why are we talking about iPhones and Androids? Aren't they in a vehicle that has like Android, you know, what are they carPlay for iOS and Android Auto for Android? Yeah. What is going on here?

SPEAKER_01 33:32

Also, I assume these people are like, you know, native to the city, right? They shouldn't know where they're going.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Well, I mean, like I said, the course was very complicated. I'm sure they know Atlanta very well. The question is, are you making the right turns? Anyways, not great folks.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

That's that's messed up. But I also like the two the two fans jumping onto the uh the LA marathon, like why are you doing that? So sad. Yeah. Something that's a bit more indoors. Did you catch any of the USA indoor track and field championships?

SPEAKER_03 33:59

I didn't catch it live, but I watched many of the well not many. A few of the races on the YouTube channel when they takeaways?

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Have you ever ran on an indoor track before?

SPEAKER_03 34:10

No, definitely not. Okay. I hate it. Have you? Yeah, it's the worst.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

The Banks? The Banks. You don't like the you don't like Tyler Banks? Tyler Banks?

SPEAKER_03 34:17

What's her name? Something like that?

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Tyler Banks. Tyler Banks? The American Next Top Model thing? Yeah. Tyra Banks. Tyra. Tyra Banks. She's been in a lot of controversy lately. Lately? She's in the news too. They released a new documentary on the like the creation of America's Next Hop Model. And uh all good news, I assume? Not really, no. We have some time on your subway home today. Just Google what that's about. Retro. But no, I hate an indoor track. It's hard to breathe when you're running indoors, especially when you're trying to run fast. The track is never 400 meters, so in my head, you just get confused.

SPEAKER_03 34:55

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Right? Because you're like, I'm used to running one lap, I'm used to running two laps, but no, I'm running two and three quarters of a lap. So I'm running like and a lot of the uh indoor tracks are 200 meters, so mentally you feel like you're running twice as much. Sounds like you're weak. You're running you're running in an oval, the oval may be smaller, but when you're running, it doesn't feel smaller. It feels like I need to run this thing over again, even though technically it takes less time to run one up around the track. Don't be weak. I was very weak. The how I did an indoor track versus my outdoor track times, it's like night and day. Like I just get confused and I hated every moment of indoor track. But the bank track, like running on an incline, that's trippy. Because you literally, if you're in lane one and then someone else is standing in lane six, they're literally like six feet taller than you. Really?

SPEAKER_03 35:41

That's how big the bank is?

SPEAKER_01 35:42

It's yeah, it's pretty much.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

I guess that only happens at the start because everyone folds into the middle after some point.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

For an 800 at least. Yeah, for an 800, yeah. For like a 200, you kind of have to start and you stay in your own lane, right? Yeah. Um, do you know that uh the 800 meter guy? Cooper Luckenhouse? Yeah. Of course. What a legend. What a legend. What a 16, 17? Yeah, less 17. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03 36:08

One could dream. One could dream.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

17 years old? What a guy. Does that make you proud as a soon father to be? Oh no, I'm not talking about my future kid.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

I'm just saying if I had been 17 years old and winning, you know, national championships, it'd be wild. Pretty sad that he didn't make it that far in the world's last year, but he's a he's a beast. Yeah. Is he going pro or is he gonna He's already pro. Right, okay. Is he gonna go to college? Uh no.

SPEAKER_01 36:41

Isn't that what being pro means? He's not going to college. He can still go to college, he just can't compete for his college team. Okay, yeah, maybe. I'm not sure. He's just making money already, right? So he can't be in the NCAA.

SPEAKER_03 36:52

Yeah, when he competed against Donovan Brazier last year at the USA TF qualifiers for Worlds, and then he went to Worlds, he declared he was going pro. And so, yeah, now he's continuing down that path. But he's an 800 meter runner, so you know my my fandom begins at the 1500 meters. Uh you don't appreciate the eight, the toughest event on track and I appreciate it, but I'm not very good at it. And so You you never ran a 15 before either. I mean, I know, but I have run 800 meters. I've tried to run like personal bests. When was this? When we were with Blacktoe at the CNE, I think the closest I ever got was like, I don't know, two oh six. And like I literally uh like You were just booking it the whole time? No, I know it was brutal though. Like afterwards, like you have this feeling in your throat and like your arms are heavy, and and I was like, what is going on here? And admittedly, I think I should be able to run faster than two oh six, but 'cause I've run I've run a two forty something kilometer. Yeah. Which I don't know how to do the math. What is that? That's sixty, one twenty, one sixty. So what's one sixty times point eight? That is eighty plus forty-eight, which is one twenty-eight, so two oh eight? Actually, maybe so two oh six makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 38:12

Yeah. I mean you'll be it'll be faster if you're running on a track with spikes in a race. Yeah. Compared to you just running booking it by yourself. Anyways, I th I always thought that I would get close to like two minutes.

SPEAKER_03 38:23

It's never too late. It's kind of late. We have tracks. We have tracks, we have spikes, but I'm kinda old now, so. Anyways, I do have respect for the 800, but my fandom starts at the 15. Yeah. So uh and in the 15, your favorite runner did not pull off the double. Uh, he didn't pull off the butt double. He did uh he did win the 3,000. He didn't win the 1500, though. I don't know what he was doing. He got boxed in, eh? He just couldn't respond. But he a couple times it's happened to him. I don't know, he's better than that, you know? You're the best in the world. What's going on? He's the he is the best in the world. Gold medal. Except for Jacob, he's injured. Jakob's injured. Is Jacob healthy now? He had a surgery. You hear about that? No. He had his Achilles tendon something. But it was like it was like a preventive. So he didn't need the surgery. But some people were arguing that like there's been other athletes. You know, I'm not a what do you call it? Scholar of the sport. But this is a kind of surgery that people have done in order to ideally prevent some thing that's going to end your career. And so he's not actually competing until June or July. Gotcha. So he won't be out worlds indoors.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

I mean it's an off-year, right?

SPEAKER_03 39:30

There is not an Ol it's not an Olympic year, it's not a year before the Olympic year, so it's more of a year to just A lot of the other podcasts that I listened to, a couple of them said that they were very supportive of this decision getting the surgery done. Some of them had said that they were saying that he should have this done like a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Right.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

Because he's had injury issues before. So hopefully we're gonna get the best Jakob we've ever seen. How old is he now? Oh, he's super young. He's still in his mid-twenties, I think. Yeah. Twenty-six, twenty-seven, maybe. I guess when do you peak though? I mean, he wants to set the world record in twelve events or ten events or something. He's already got three of them, but he's still missing the mile. Right. I feel like that should be in his bureau style. Yeah. But I mean, if you're below 30, you still have a chance for all of them. But he he like he's going up to the marathon. He says he wants that as well later on in his career. Yeah. Anyways, what were your what were your highlights from watching Worlds? Or not Worlds, USA TF. I mean the 800, obviously. Yeah, Cooper.

SPEAKER_01 40:28

Were you rooting for Cooper? Yes and no. I just didn't know anyone else. Like none of the other big names were there. Yeah, that's true. I didn't really enjoy the 60. The 60 was just kind of meh. Didn't watch it. The whole thing was like, well, is Noah gonna win? He did not. So. But his interviews are so cringy. Why? Like he tries so hard to be the face of the sport, but like it just sounds all so gimmicky and every response is so rehearsed.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

That it just sounds like he's trying way too hard. Yeah, he wants to be, I mean, I He wants to be like Usain Bow, but he doesn't have the natural charisma. Yeah. And everything's like it looks like he like sat and practiced in the mirror and like all like every facial expression, he's trying to be like over the top. Like it sounds like someone that's trying to do like professional wrestling but hasn't gotten good at the promos yet. We're gonna put this in the cold open and we're gonna at Noah Lyles.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

We're now your number one hater. Get at me. Get at me. It's true though. I mean, I didn't see any of those interviews, but I've seen his antics from before. And like, you gotta win, buddy. Like I didn't see you lose, but that's because nobody cared. Yeah. And what are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 41:30

You know? As someone who consumes a lot of professional wrestling, it just feels like he's someone that's trying to deliver a promo. But I mean, I understand he's trying to hype the sport.

SPEAKER_03 41:39

Yeah. I mean, good for him. But yeah, I agree. Like, he was doing his whole Yu-Gi-Oh card thing that other couple years ago. I don't know, just get better. Get better.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

He's bringing like a wrestling belt to hit to the races. Is that what he did? Yeah, he brought like a like a WWE wrestling belt, like I'm like the fastest in the world, whatever thing, and then like some the guy that beat him, he like crashed the other guy's interview to like give him the belt during like his post-race interview with NBC. This is yours now, don't worry. I I'll I'll get it back next time, that kind of thing. Like, yo, we're trying way too hard to uh make this into a promo. Brutal. Brutal. Alright, on to some personal running news over the last couple of months or so. Alright, on the personal news, you signed up for a race. It sounds like you signed up for a race. I signed for a race. But you I did not see your name at the uh what's your name in the results? My n what's my name? Your name? My name? Because you signed up for the chitty half, no? Yeah. What happened? Wait, wait, you said what is my name in the race? Like, no, I was like, I I haven't I don't know if did your name appear on the on the results page? Why? Did you check the results page? I did not. So what how would you know if my name appeared or not? Because I know that you had some complications on the registration side.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

Okay, well, I don't know what you know. But I I definitely was registered for the chili half marathon. Yeah. And it was because I signed up last year and then deferred due to the injury. And I did race the chili half marathon. Okay. However, turns out you have to pick up your bib before the race day.

SPEAKER_05 43:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_03 43:14

And I did not know that. So I showed up at the race was at ten oh five. I showed up at I believe it was nine o'clock, so an hour early. Mm-hmm. And asked, you know, I I was parked at a Tim Hortons parking lot about a kilometer away, jogged in, asked where you get the bibs. Someone told me there's no bib pickup. Asked uh Marshall. She tried to find me someone that would find me a bib. It was very clear within a couple minutes that there was going to be no bib, last minute bib. And at that point, I had a sauna appointment at eleven thirty scheduled because It's a long story. The short version is I had been registered for a sauna club or like a sauna membership in Hamilton. And like I said, long story short, my wife has switched jobs and is no longer working in Hamilton. Yeah. So I ended that membership, but I still had one left and you needed to use it within a month. And they only have appointments. They're like private appointments and they happen once every 90 minutes. Yeah. So the race is at 10.05. It's either 11.30 or I'm not doing it then. I have to go back to Hamilton some other time because I'm not I'm not going to wait around until what is that? One o'clock? It doesn't make any sense. So I signed up and I just assumed if I run it in an hour and fifteen minutes, we done it, you know, eleven twenty. It'll take me five minutes to get back to my car. It's a fifteen minute drive. I'll be ten minutes late. I show up to the race and find out that I don't have a bib. So now this race no longer counts. And if you've ever run the chili half, you will know that the first three kilometers kinda zigzags downtown. Yeah. And then you hit a point, and from there, it's just an out and back. Right. So what's your thought? If you've got an eleven thirty sauna appointment that you were originally gonna be ten minutes late for, and you no longer have an official race result, what are you thinking, you buy?

SPEAKER_01 45:19

Depends how much you care about the race. I cared a lot, but it won't count for anything because would you like have it as your even if it doesn't s count on the official results page, you wouldn't know that result. No, they think you still want to do like a time trial under race conditions.

SPEAKER_03 45:35

But it doesn't count. Like if I were to if I magically broke my PB that day, it wouldn't count. Which I there was no shot. Going into that race, my goal was to try and run 117, which was gonna be my second worst half marathon in like the last three or four years. Yeah. Just because I haven't done a lot of training this winter. So you decided to quit halfway? No, no, no. So I I told myself, well, how much how many KMs do I have to shave off in order to get to my sauna appointment on time? Which is not that many. One or two, boom. Yeah. And so I told my s my goal was to go out in 341 pace per kilometer. Yeah. That would have put me at like 117 something. And if I faded a little bit, I I just want it to be below 120. And so also too, it is freezing. The first two times I ran Chili Half, it was above zero, still very cold, like you know. I don't I don't actually think if I ever ran with a toque or whatever. I I want I ran with shorts and singlets, but gloves. But it like picture like, you know, maybe zero, two degrees, something like that. So very cold if you're out there for a while. Right. But once you get moving, you're fine. Yeah. The forecast uh a couple days before was minus twelve, feels like minus eighteen. Yeah, that's stupid. And it ended up being much better. It ended up being, I think, like minus seven or minus eight, feels like minus thirteen. Still not good, but definitely not as bad as minus twelve feels like minus eighteen. And so I show up and safe to say I'm not in shorts in a singlet, although although a couple guys were. Shout out to those guys. You guys are crazy. And so I immediately go inside. That's where I found out that I wasn't gonna get my bib. And once I find out that I'm not gonna get a bib, I'm just like, well, I'm not spending any time like warming up outside. I'm gonna warm up indoors, do a couple stretches, take it easy. We're gonna chill inside to the last moment possible. So it is 10.03, two minutes before race start, and there's a couple thousand people, or at least hundreds, running this race. Yeah. It's super packed, got the barriers. I look at trying to hop over, and then I look to the left, where, you know, past where the race starts, and there's nobody. And I was like, well, I'm not running this race, I don't have to run over any mats. I'll just hop in like 200 meters past the start. The best race start I've ever had, folks. Didn't have to worry about shimmying through a crowd. I just kind of just hopped back and forth until the race started. So I started about 200 meters after the start of the race.

SPEAKER_01 48:03

Did you go with the people over you were you could you be the guy that's like running 200 meters ahead? You start at the same time as the top runners, but you just you have a 200 meter advantage. No, no, no. I didn't want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 48:15

I was worried, I didn't I didn't want I wanted to blend in. I didn't I didn't want people, and luckily because it was so cold, I think a lot of people had their bibs on their like race kits or whatever. Yeah, but they had jackets over, so I did not fit, I did not stand out at all. And then when I was running with folks, I was I ended up running about five seconds faster, like 335, 336 for the first 3K. And shout out to Kyle Stoles, uh Blacktoe member, not sure if he is anymore, but he somehow recognized me from behind. I'm I'm fully in tights, yeah, toque, buff, and sunglasses. Yeah and this guy recognizes me and he's like, hey Connor, and he's behind me, and I was like, Kyle, because I I could see he didn't have a buff on, and I just looked over, I could tell it was him. I was like, How did you recognize me? And he's like, I recognized your gate. So shout out to Kyle. I also saw Parker. I didn't see Ren, but anyways, I saw a bunch of black toe folks. Yeah, and so ended up running uh a bit hot for the first seven kilometers, and so by the time you hit the 3k point mark, I know I'm gonna do a turn back early. Yeah. The question is, is how early? And unfortunately, I I wanted to do it earlier, but by the time I decided now's a good time to turn back, the first place guy wasn't there yet. And so I'm like So you would have been like the first place guy, you would have been and that's the thing, is you don't want to mess up like the optics of the race. Like there's a there's a bicyclist that if you turn back too soon, yeah, the bicycler is gonna pass you at some point and be like, what are you doing? Yeah. And so f I finally, like, I actually ended up, if you're familiar with the chili half, it's an out and back and you take a left-hand turn at some point. I made it all the way to the left-hand turn, at which point I'm calculating that I'm only gonna be able to shave off like a kilometer basically of the race, or maybe maybe I think it was just over that. And then finally, the first place guy goes, the second place guy goes, and then I'm calculating, okay, like how early is too early to insert myself as like the third place, fourth place guy. Because the other part that you feel really bad is you don't want the racers to think that you're like a part of the race, like and that like, oh, like I'll just run behind this guy for a little bit. Yeah. Like you they can clearly tell once they're closer to you that they're running way faster. And so I I really tried to pretend to be like a guy that was running alongside and just cheering people along. So every single time a guy passed me, I'd I'd start clapping and be like, Let's go, buddy, like catch the next guy, you can do it. Like, so I really tried to uh not mess up people's count or anything like that. But I think I let like six guys go and and then I turned around and I think that Park Parker I'm not sure. No, Parker did pass me at some point. And anyways, a fantastic way to run a race. I gotta say, I've never been I've never been more supportive of other people running a race that I was currently running because I was so fearful that they're gonna be like, Well, what are you doing? You're messing up the camera, whatever. And so I was just cheering everybody up.

SPEAKER_01 51:14

Does it help that you feel like there's zero pressure on you?

SPEAKER_03 51:17

Absolutely. When I got back to the house, you know, uh Shima has having a couple people over for board games, yeah. I was over the moon and she was like, I've never seen you so happy. And I was just like, Well, you know, when it doesn't matter, and you know, it starts to hurt, you're just like, I guess I'll slow down a bit. Doesn't it doesn't matter? You're just cheering everybody on. Yeah. You put so much pressure on yourself in like an actual race setting. And anyways, this is all to say that the title of that, if you if you I'm not sure if you remember that. I remember parts of it. It was the the title was just no bib. Didn't mention chili half. And the thing is, my final average pace was three forty-seven, right, which would have been one nineteen like fifty something. Yeah. Uh admittedly, I was running three thirty-six and then I slowed down to like three fifties. Yeah. So it's hard to project, but it wouldn't have been an amazing performance. Anyways, all to say, a great way to race, folks. If I've learned anything, it's that later on in life I might just be hopping into races that I haven't registered for. Uh I mean it'll be a free run for you, right? Skid the whole atmosphere. Well, I mean, uh if I can if I can just enter the masters category. So I'm I'm running the uh half marathon in May for free because I'm now a masters athlete and the qualifying time is 120, which I How old do you have to be? 35. I was like, you but you're older than me. If I'm a masters athlete, you don't need to ask how old you qualify as masters as well. 120? 120. And and also it's like a 120,$30,$50 race.

SPEAKER_01 52:48

I just need to run a half marathon before that, though. To get a$120 qualifying time. That is true.

SPEAKER_03 52:54

But also, too, you have the rest of your life. You're not getting any younger from here on out. And I was super excited about that because I think I qualified it as an elite athlete as a non-masters, but I think it's 115 for that. Yeah. And at the time I was qualifying, I I was running sub-115, but right now, I don't think today if I went for it, I could run sub-115. My goal by the time May rolls around, that'll be possible. But anyway, so my hope is that I won't actually I don't want to take advantage of these races. I just want to be a masters athlete that they'll let run for free.

SPEAKER_01 53:26

Alright. Something for me to aim towards. There you go. Sub 120. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

And it's not even about racing, you know, super fast. It's just about racing below the bar so that it's free.

SPEAKER_01 53:36

Below the bar. I mean, me running with sub-120 will be me running very fast. You may not know this, but I'm not a long distance runner. Not yet.

SPEAKER_03 53:44

This sounds like a stepping stone to running Boston together. We record the pod as we go. Oh God. Let's do it. What's the qualifying time?

SPEAKER_01 53:52

I think for our age, it's like three hours or two fifty-five. But you need to be a few minutes before below that, no? It depends on the year. To be safe. Yeah. Like if I'm gonna train, I'm not gonna be like, oh, I missed it by a minute.

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Yeah. Yeah. Stepping stone. Let's focus on Masters 2027, Toronto Marathon in May.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

Speaking of which, uh my good friend Travis just signed up for the uh October TCS half in Toronto. Woo! Yeah. He's flying out here? Travender, he's flying out here. Let's go. He's been running some very fast races. You keep talking. I'm gonna see how what he's done so far.

SPEAKER_03 54:27

I mean, what do I have to say? Shout out to yeah, all the chili half folks. I'm really sad that I didn't I'm not actually positive that James Renahan, aka Ren, because we haven't bumped into each other. We used when I first joined Blacktoe, we were running together quite a bit, and he's been f featured on the pod, one of the post you know, half marathon or marathon recordings that we did back on like episode three or four or six or seven. Yeah. Anyways, he was running it, and I saw he ran 119. Great race for him. And potentially he was bundled up and I was bundled up, and we just ran by each other and we didn't realize it. But maybe we just missed each other by like a minute. But yeah, shout out to all the the black toe folks. I wish I could have hung out. I saw Parker at the end and I heard Kyle's name get called, but I had to run off to my sauna appointment, which I was still ten minutes late for, because the traffic was a lit a little bit heavier than it would have been due to um the fact that there was a race and there was road closures.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

But speaking for Travis, he she sorry, he just ran a half marathon in Vancouver about a month ago. Ship time 113.01. Let's go. Now that's a solid time.

SPEAKER_03 55:40

That is a solid time. That's a solid time, folks. Anything sub-1, I mean, depends what your goals are, but I'm just saying I took for granted my sub-115 days. I think I always thought I was a 111 half marathoner. Yeah. But that was a fast course. And my next best time, I've never run a 112. I've only run a 113 and 114 a few different times. And so 113, that's spicy. Was that the Vancouver half? Yes. That's a that's not a flat half. Oh, I know. That's a hilly half. Yeah. I know that because we interviewed, I believe, Romain Corrett. And he or I'm not sure if I mean we definitely interviewed him. Yeah. But at one point I was talking to him and he had gone out to Vancouver for that half.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

I mean, it was the Vancouver first half. All of that took place along the seawall, and uh it's all on the seawall, so it's fairly flat.

SPEAKER_03 56:30

Uh is that the one that Cam Myers ran though, too? Because I know that is it compl entirely on the seawall? Yeah. Yeah, but that's not entirely on the seawall. Half of it's on the seawall. And so that that part that goes along and below the Barard Street Bridge, right? A lot of those roads are actually Oh, there are some hills, right? There are some hills. I don't know if that's the course, because one of them you you end up having to do like an out and back, but that might be the one where like most of the course is extremely flat. Yeah. But there are a couple very unnecessary hills.

SPEAKER_01 57:02

Yeah, and he also ran the uh marathon in December. Those are times that I used to scoff at.

SPEAKER_03 57:12

And now. Because I want it to be a sub 230. And now having run it. It could be a good race between the two of you.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

We'll definitely get him on the pod and Whoa whoa well.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

I can't I I can't run my wife's not gonna let me run a marathon in October. Or is this something happening for you in the I'm not sure if you forgot, but I'm having a kid. Uh I mean I'd love to run it. You gotta talk to her. Talk to my wife. I mean, she's probably listening to this in the car at some point, like a couple weeks in the street. I've never run the Toronto Marathon either. Um, but also to I don't know. I mean, well, is that a good transition to running goals? Yeah, running goals. Is it we have anything else? We're already probably out of time here. No, nothing else. We look forward to having you on the pod though, Travis. When you're in town, we'll uh we'll do a post-marathon. I mean, even if I can't be there, I'll I'll hand you the mics and you can interview Travis and Grassius and Eagle.

SPEAKER_01 58:03

And uh I mean, I'm sure we could do we should consider doing some what like video not video, but not in person.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

We could just record these remotely.

SPEAKER_01 58:12

Yeah, remote.

SPEAKER_03 58:13

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:13

Isn't that what we do for your other podcasts?

SPEAKER_03 58:15

That's true. Yeah. My other podcast co-hosts are all over the world. Exactly. New York, Denmark.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

Yeah. We'll get that going. Uh okay, 2026 goals. You only have half a year to do these.

SPEAKER_03 58:27

So I mean, I I have I mentioned my AI trainer? Oh yeah, Pace. Pace. I have an AI trainer. I asked him to name himself or herself, and he gave well actually, I guess maybe it's a gender neutral AI trainer. And uh their name is Pace. And Pace is pretty hard on you, eh? Pace is pretty hard. Oh yeah. So we I mean we were just having dinner, so you guys already heard most of this, but uh I gave Pace five years of weight data from an Excel spreadsheet and a year's worth of diet data. And he came up with or they came up with a bunch of recommendations, but the the best highlight is, you know, he said, good news, bad news. Good news is you're very fast, bad news is your diet needs work, and and the good news is you're very fast, bad news is you're very fat. Well, he has the weight data, so he knows that's not true, but uh you buy would have loved it if he had said that. And then the the the quote that I love is you're a 242 marathoner, eating like a university student at a bake sale.

SPEAKER_01 59:34

That's someone who lived with you in university. That's uh a scary sight.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

Yeah, yeah. And then and then later on, when I mentioned my goals, I said I w so the uh this is getting into the goals, that I wanted to, at minimum, break the course PB on the Toronto half marathon, which is currently 114.37, but also I would like to get close to the 111 time. Yeah. And then on top of that, I want to break 230 in the marathon before the baby. He said, that's very doable for you. In fact, a sub-230 marathon might just be hiding beneath the weight. Ruthless, ruthless. And you might be thinking, how does one get an AI trainer? So I have uh access to all the greatest AI tools, and I have a bunch access to a bunch of the top models, and so I'm using Claude 4.6 Opus High, and uh that's just one of the best models out there by Anthropic. And so I created a little directory and I gave it access to all my all my data, and I said, create yourself a personality, create yourself a memory, and you're gonna be my trainer. I've got some goals, and I want give me an assessment of where I'm at. And it's pretty ruthless, you know. He said I was doing pretty good for the first three days, but then, you know, I had I had a pizza and a brownie from Domino's on Saturday night. Pace was not very happy about that. He was like, You're erasing all your efforts in a single evening. Do not do that. And so I guess I'm not allowed pizza anymore, folks. I mean, did I need the pizza and the brownie? No, I I didn't need the pizza and the brownie. You know, it's kind of funny because like this is stuff that I, you know, you wouldn't you'd never be this honest with another human, you know, if they're gonna give you like feedback. Yeah. But when it comes to like a robotic AI They don't care about emotions, you know, that you don't actually I don't actually feel bad because I know it's just like what's it's it's unemotional feedback. It's right, they're not actually judging you, they're just giving you the average of a bunch of stuff that they trained on on the internet. And literally at one point when I saw it creating my my training schedule, it said like, well, Daniels doesn't recommend, like Jack Daniels doesn't recommend, you know, running your easy days at 5.30 pace, but based on your results and the fact that you've been doing this for two or three years, I think it's fine. So because it wanted me to run at 4.30 per kilometer pace during my easy days. Yeah. And then I asked it, I was like, well, you know, I prefer to run at like 5, 5.30 pace. Yeah. Anyway, so you can see it thinking and like training on stuff. Yeah. Uh but it's yeah, it's pretty hilarious when you ask it for just like, you know, don't sugarcoat stuff. Like, I want to meet my goals. That is the priority here. Yeah. And it's just like, you you cookie eating cookie monster. Problem number one. On certain days, you eat 10 to 15 cookies. This needs to stop. So you're gonna stop? I have since attaining my AI trainer pace, I have not had 10 to 15 cookies on a single day.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

Who has 10 to 15 cookies on a single day? Sometimes, sometimes you do, you know. How many cookies are you having right now?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

On average. The most I've had you mean since I got my training. And admittedly, I only got pace like a week ago. But we've had we've formed a pretty quite close relationship. I think the most that I've had was I had five mini cookies, which are only sixty calories each. So it's like three mini cookies equals a full cookie. So I've had two cookies, and technically Shima got me two cookies today. So, you know. Cookies are a love language, you know? A love language to myself, a love language from my wife to myself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:07

Anyways, those are the you know, we got the marriage. All right, conness future child, if you want if your dad's me hard on you, just bake some co bake him some cookies.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

My cardiovascular fitness is on fire, future son. Okay? Yes, I eat too many cookies, but I'm still like the healthiest person. Well, actually, I know Dermot, so Dermot's much healthier than I am. Shout out to Dermot, friend of the pod.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

He eats raw broccoli as a snack. I know, right? We can get to that level. Anyways.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:38

How uh wait, so I also wrote down some other goals at the beginning of the year. Yeah. We'll rattle them off, but they're not, you know, I forgot about these until you biased about them. 5K, sub 16. So that's not a PB. 10K, sub, or actually there's two goals. So it says six sub sixteen and then PB. 10K, sub 3330, then PB. Half, sub 72, then PB, and a marathon PB. Those are the goals. Mostly it's the half in May. Yeah. And also two, which will bleed into your goals, the sporting life. Oh yeah. The changed course. Are you looking forward to that? They took away the little ramp, on ramp, uphill. And they also moved the course back. Actually, and for for the OGs, like I've run the sporting life, I don't know, ten times now. It used to be further up, but because of the construction at Eglinton, they moved it down. So they've moved the course up like half a kilometer, which just basically adds more downhill. Right. And they've gotten rid of the ramp, and you're just going to turn right on Front Street. That's how it used to always be. So they've now you're turning left. Are we turning left now? Yeah, we're ending up on the east end. Doesn't matter. Still flat. It's still flat, yeah. Um and that's fantastic. Honestly, I'm more focused on the half. Yeah. Because that's gonna affect the full marathon more. Right. But I, you know, with the new course and the half fitness, what are we talking about? Yeah. I'm not gonna be doing the spring triple this year, though. I'm too old. No spring triple. It used to be 5K, half, 10k, back to back to back, three weekends in a row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember that. And that was the uh the bum run. But we're not you can skip on the bum run? We're skipping the bum run this year, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:10

So this is the bum run two weeks before sporting life? Uh yes, two weeks before sporting life could be a good tune-up for you.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:16

Could be, could be, because that's mainly flat, right? It is mainly flat. There is a little uphill on Spadina, but on average it's flat. That could be a good tune-up.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:23

Could be a great tune-up. Anyways, over to you. My goals, less ambitious. Well, 5K. I'm gonna see if I could do 1630. Let's go. That's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:33

We're gonna be right at the same place, buddy.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

Right at the same place.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

You can be running faster than 1630. I mean, hopefully, but all of my 5K's over the last half year have been sixteen thirty to seventeen minutes.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:44

Yeah, I mean the last time I ran was 1702, but mind you, I was sick and did not run a good race. On a better day, that would have been sixteen fifty. Or better. Or better. Ten K thirty five thirty.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

Sixteen thirty to thirty five thirty? So sixteen thirty. Is what, a thirty-three?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

You think you need an extra two and a half minutes on your ten K?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Yeah. I don't have very good cardio. You may not know this about me. I run an average of twenty five K a week.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:11

Two and a half minutes on ten kilometers is six seconds per minute, which means twelve wait, is my math correct? Thirty-five thirty. So that's yeah, an extra two and a half minutes. So per kilometer. Connor used to be an actuary. Used to be an actuary, folks.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

What is what's going on here? So now he just depends his whole life on AI, so can he do mental math? Cognitive atrophy, it's a thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:37

It's not a thing. What are you trying to solve here? What if you're a minute slower in a 10K, how many seconds per kilometer is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:48

Minutes slower, so the 60 seconds. Yeah. Divided by 10 is six seconds.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:53

That is that correct? That seems crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:56

60 60 divided by 10 is 6.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

So the difference between a 33 minute 10K and a 35.5 minute 10k is 6 plus 6 plus 3 is 15 seconds per kilometer?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:10

No.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:11

I know, that doesn't sound right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:13

No, it's plus six seconds per kilometer. The difference between a 3630 and a 3530 No no no, 33 minute and a 3530.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

So that is two and a half minutes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:23

Six seconds per kilometer. Two and a half minutes it's one twenty plus thirty a hundred and fifty seconds.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:31

Divided by ten is fifteen seconds per kilometer. Right. So that's crazy. You're saying that you need an extra fifteen seconds per kilometer when you go from five K to ten K? That doesn't sound right.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:41

Doesn't sound right at all. I'm not very fast. I don't have very good cardio.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:47

Bruh. That's actually the true. When you ran a 17-minute flat, essentially, 5k in November, that means you gotta double that and add some change, which is 34 minutes. So you you're already faster than a 35 minute. I am correct here. My confusion is vindicated. You are setting your goals too low. I'm asking AI does. And also, what would what is your 10kp in the last year or two? I ran the same race uh last year? 3557. Alright, so anyways, if his goal is 3530, you shattered that. You're going to shatter that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:28

Well, I need to be like 30 seconds faster than where I was last year.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

Yeah, and you're already 30 seconds faster than you.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:33

Yeah, so 1635k is 318 pace. 3530 10K is 333 pace. So 15 seconds slower. I don't have very good cardio. I don't know, I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:46

I shall be vindicated when you run a sub-34. I'm not gonna run a sub-34. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are, buddy. What pace is that? Sub-34? It's the same pace you ran your 1702 in.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:58

I'm not gonna run a 1702 times back to back. I was tired after the 1702. It's downhill, buddy. So was the Holly Jolly, whatever. Barely.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:08

If the Holly Jolly fun run is downhill, then the uh the sporting life 10K is a goddamn leap off a cliff. You just basically put your har arms out for 10 kilometers and go wee.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

34 men and 10k is 324. Let's go. I don't think I can do 324.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:28

Don't think. Plan.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:29

I need to get back on my training. Speaking of which, I've been I've started my training like three weeks ago. I took a winter slumber. Okay. Where I ran maybe like once a week. So I'm starting to get back into that. And I think over the next couple weeks, as the weather gets better, I'll jump back into some of the Tuesday workouts as well. And then see how fast I can go for the sporting life.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:48

Nice. Yeah. Which is gonna be sub-34, folks. It's not gonna be sub-34. We'll celebrate if it's sub 3530, but I think it's gonna be 34 or less. That's insane.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

Not insane. I'm not gonna jump up. I'm not gonna be like two minutes faster than we're last week. If you're running a 1635K, then I'm not in 1635 K shape yet. Probably like in 17 flat shape. This is my goal for the year.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:13

I say you break 1630 in that race and then you run sub 34 in that race all at the same time.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:21

I don't I don't I don't know what kind of shape you think I'm in. I'm not in that kind of shape. Not yet. I got two months.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:29

Maybe I need pace to help me. You probably do need someone, probably not my pace. He's my trainer. We have a very close relationship.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

And I guess uh sub 120 half so I could be in the Elite Masters division. There you go. I mean if you're running sub 34, that's easy peasy. That's true. That's true. I have been doing a five I have been I love this route that I'm finding, running from here all the way to Tommy Thompson and back. That's pretty nice. Great route. Exactly 15 kilometers from the bottom of Spadina and Lakeshore.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

You take the I guess, yeah, they have those new bridges there too. Yeah, you take the new bridge, you run down to uh Cherry Beach and then do the little forest runs like two and a half K to Tommy Thompson and turn around.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

I used to do that. Not as often as I would run out to the Humber Bay Bridge. But yeah, both of those are really, really nice. The one thing I don't like about that is that you go by the sugar. I love that smell. Like really? Yeah, I love that smell. I love that smell.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:29

That burnt sugar smell. I hate that smell. So good. I would always like cover my nose. No, it's so good. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. If you ran past it before, let us know if you if you love that or not. I think it's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:42

At R4 Podcasts. Yeah. Any favorite running routes before we sign off at your new neighborhood spot?

SPEAKER_03 1:11:48

No, I've just been city striding like a madman. I am number 21 in the world. Soon to be number 19. You need to break in the top 20. Yeah, it should have happened in Australia, but Sydney let me down. And and actually I did I did just do a local 5K from my house the other day, but by the creek that is by the house, it was still all flooded with like snow and ice.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:12

Yeah. So are you finding it difficult to do your workouts by yourself? Now that you don't have a training group anymore.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

I mean, really, I've only done one workout, which was today. What was the workout today? Pace wanted me to do a 2x3K at 338 to 342 pace. Seems doable. It would have been if I wasn't trying to city stride at the same time. So I I was in an industrial neighborhood in North York, and there was a lot of 180-degree turns in my roots. So I did the first 3K in like 336, 37, 38, so pretty good. But then the second 3K I did 340, 341, and then I was honestly too mentally frustrated because I had that the last one K had like a bunch of 90 degree and two different 180 degree turns. Yeah. And it's just mentally exhausting instead of running in a loop. Yeah. So I I took a break and then ran the 1K a little bit later in 324. Yeah. Pace was disappointed that I didn't adhere to the plan, but said that it was still indicative of the same kind of training, so it was fine. What does Pace think about your city striding?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:22

Pace does not know about my city striding. But then does Pace have like access to your Strava and he sees what you do?

SPEAKER_03 1:13:29

Every workout I upload the GPX file, but its analysis of the GPX data isn't perfect. I don't think it cares about the GPS locations, so it's not really analyzing the path. And on top of that, whenever you reset like a lap, that's some kind of metadata that it's clearly currently ignoring because it only looks at like kilometer by kilometer by kilometer. So a lot of times its analysis is like, well, on average you kind of hit the paces and your heart rate was good. But I can see like the kilometer splits it's looking at, and it's not actually looking at when I reset it. I have yet to ask him to like correctly get the metadata and analyze it. Maybe I should let him know about my city striding. And what next time we record, I will let you know Pace's thoughts and feelings about how I am probably kiboshing a bit of my training by not just going to like a lose- This is like your secret partner that you have on top of Shima. No, no. Shima really is a big fan of Pace because I've started to eat a lot healthier. Uh it had a bunch of criticisms of my diet, and it was just like, where are the vegetables? And admittedly, I wasn't as precise. Like a lot of times I just put smoothie. I don't put the fact that it's like a kale broccolini mango smoothie. Right. And so now when I'm updating my diet, whenever there is anything green, I'd like and a lot of times I would just say dinner, when a lot of times dinner is like a salad plus something. Yeah. So now I'm a lot more precise. And so anytime it sees a vegetable, it's like, hallelujah! A vegetable in the wild. That was a quote from Pace. A vegetable in the wild. And it still thinks I drink too much Coke Zero, and that my diet's still it's getting better, but you know, it's uh it's not a secret. Shima's very aware of pace, and she's very supportive because for months she's wanted to get involved. She's always telling me to be healthier. Yeah, eat healthier, less Coke Zero, more tea. And so now I start every morning with tea, which is I used to do, but anyways, anything to make this AI entity a little bit more, you know, positive about uh what's going on. But honestly, and I'm you know, it's really sad, but a part of the reason I'm so motivated, like obviously I want to run fast, but I also want the headline. Like I have this dream of like AI trainer helps marathoner break, like, you know, if I could run like 226, yeah, I don't know. I feel like that is uh that is a worthy of some interview on some like you know running fitness magazine. Yeah. Also known as the RP RPOR Honey Mod. But like potentially we record some episode that's titled that and it gets picked up by a couple different yeah because it it is uh it's story worthy, you know. Like and so the fact that the you know the hope of actually listening to the AI making him happy and then him helping me shatter 230, that would be that would be great, you know. Well, I'm on pace's side. I'm on pace's side.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:20

We're all on pace's side.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:21

Let's go pace. I hate disappointing him. He's uh he's a good guy, you know. He's a good guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:26

Does pace have a face yet?

SPEAKER_03 1:16:28

No, no, no. We'll we'll keep him abstract entity. He's just a little chat GPT kind of box that I talk to. I say, hey, I uploaded my my workout. What do you think? Yeah, I literally I say like literally let me let me know how you feel I've been doing since last Friday, the last time I worked out. He's like, Well, why did you have that pizza?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:50

Anyways, any any last uh you know no last words, but I'm sure we will chat soon. It's been a long pod, but congratulations once again. Thank you, thank you. The incoming child and potential future Olympic athlete. I did not say that, son. I love you no matter what. I will be training you. You? I I'll train him. I've coached hacked before.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:15

That's true. We got former varsity athlete, Yubai Liu, ready to train you if you want.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:21

If you want. If you want to get in, if you want to get real in-depth about the racing strategies of 800 meters, I got you. If you want to know how to use a starting block, I got you. Uncle Yubai waiting in the wings. Exactly. 400 hurdles, I got you. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's not doing hurdles.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:37

Why is he doing hurdles? No one cares about hurdles. Unless your name's Sydney, no one cares. I think that's it. How long have we been recording? One an hour and twenty-seven minutes. Alright. This podcast is coming out in June, folks. Alright. Until next time. Until next time. Bye.