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S4 Ep 1 Start Late, Dream Big, Finish Strong with Cheryl Davenport

• Carla Coffey

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A quiet decision on an elliptical becomes a marathon finish and a night spent pacing through rough trails and stranger-than-dreams moments. We sit down with Cheryl to unpack how a three-year journey, a steady base, and a simple run-walk plan turned doubt into durable progress—and why a 5:02 felt like proof, not luck. From her first 5K to crewing and pacing a 100-miler, she shares the habits that stuck: saying goals out loud, training to the plan, and adjusting when the plan meets reality.

You’ll hear the nuts and bolts of marathon strategy: picking a five-hour pacer, resisting the urge to bank time, and leaning on timed intervals to manage energy late in the race. Cheryl breaks down fueling with small, frequent carbs and hydration via a bladder to avoid aid station chaos. We also get into winter running tactics—how to layer for a sub-30 start that turns mild, why surgical gloves and space blanket panels can save your hands and core, and when the treadmill beats black ice. If you’re eyeing back-to-back half marathons or planning a marathon every few months, we map how to keep a strong base and cycle volume without burning out.

Beyond the logistics, this conversation is a reminder to share your wins to light the path for others. We talk about pacing as service, adapting intervals when beeps become mental landmines, and the way small choices—walk breaks, sips, and steady steps—add up to big finishes. Cheryl’s takeaway is simple and powerful: pick the goal, build the plan, and let the data—not the doubt—drive the work. Subscribe, share this with a runner who needs a nudge, and leave a review to help more people find a training story that feels possible. What goal are you setting next?

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SPEAKER_02

Hello, and welcome back to Over the Next Skill Fix. I've got Coffee Coach and Program. This program is brought to you by CoffeeCoop Coaching. If you need a test coach, a running coach, you need something virtual, I need something in person, and you live within 45 miles of Madison, Wisconsin, I'd be happy to help you in person. Today I'm going to be talking to a friend of mine now. Her name is Cheryl Devinport. And we had a great time to post me in a race. And thank you in her first race. So join us for some laughter. We had some good ones in this. And we'll see you at the end.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no, hi.

SPEAKER_02

Welcome to the show, Cheryl. It's so great to see you again. Yeah, it's great to see you. I know. It was uh so fun running with you in October, and then you did a marathon. But we're gonna I jumped ahead right away, but let's uh start at the beginning. Um when did you start running? Why did you start running? Tell us all about it.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, so three years ago I decided I was tired of uh being I felt overweight. I was about 160 and um tired of the adage of like, okay, I'm gonna start and then you stop and then you don't lose it. So I was joined the gym and somebody told me that you really don't lose a whole lot unless you add a cardio. So I was doing the elliptical and I was doing about thirty five, forty-five minutes, and I was getting about two and a half miles on it, and um my daughter-in-law, our bonus daughter, and her husband run a lot, and they were going, Well, Cheryl, if you can do that, you can run and I'm like, Oh I don't know. And uh then I because I was like, Oh, my form's probably not gonna be right, then I'm gonna hurt my hips and I'm gonna you know, this and that, all those negatives in your head.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, all the excuses.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um then I just said, Well, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it, and they were always encouraging. Um And so I started running on the roads. I asked them to you know, like what shoes would be good and they just told me whatever, you know, like they told me a couple running stores to go to and stuff, but I didn't always do that, but I got some good shoes. And uh I didn't really run my first 5k until almost September.

SPEAKER_02

So but um how many months in was that then?

SPEAKER_00

I'd say about nine months. Oh probably six months of started running. The first three months I didn't I just did in the gym and everything. And that was like January through March, April. So then in April I just started running and then I did the I told somebody I says, Okay, I gotta say this out loud or I'm not gonna do it. I will run a race at 5K this month. Then the next month it was like I'll schedule another one.

SPEAKER_01

Oh wow.

First Races And Early Milestones

SPEAKER_00

But so I did do a half marathon. Um what was scheduled to be the day after Thanksgiving. But the girl I was running with, she just kinda faltered a little bit and I kinda hung with her. And um just the support for, you know. So we ended up doing seven that day, but later that week I went out and I ran the thirteen miles, um, and called that my half minor thought. But I eventually did one at Woodstock, but yeah. So that's basically kind of how I got started. Right.

SPEAKER_02

So you've been running three years, and I met you and you paced me for my my uh most recent hundred miler. And you did way too many miles that night. But it was good training because I knew you were training for the marathon, so it's so you definitely get some miles in.

SPEAKER_00

Um I ended up with about 30 miles with you. Um, but I did like I think it was nine or ten, uh no, it was probably twelve the first draw we did together. And then uh had about a six or seven hour break, and then we ended up doing seventeen or eighteen, and so it ended up about thirty. Yeah, and you didn't want me to do that many the second time, but I wasn't gonna let you run in alone at night.

SPEAKER_02

And it ended up being daylight. Almost, yeah. Yeah, it was. We saw sunrise.

SPEAKER_01

We did right.

Deciding To Train For A Marathon

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, saw two sunrises. Um and and that didn't seem to affect you. You seemed okay afterwards. Yeah. Um as your coach at the time, um, yeah, I was very concerned. Um, and as a coach in general, even with Tanner, uh, I was concerned about him running so many miles. But uh, but yeah, it was so great to have you there. And I knew you were training for the marathon, which is why um you kind of were gonna pace me so you could get miles and and whatever, and you were it was so kind of you to come and and run with me at night. I appreciated that. Yeah. So then you went to the marathon. Tell us about it.

SPEAKER_00

But let me let me tell about signing up with you for the train uh the pacing. Okay. The longest I'd ever run was the half marathon. Um you had posted about wanting a pacer back in May, I think, for the the for the Huron.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I said, Yeah, I do that, but then you got somebody else to pace with you. And in the back of my mind, it's like, how fast can I run? They've already been running for like 18 hours, you know? And like, I'm sure it wouldn't be running that far, you know, stuff. So but my son-in-law is like going, Well, what kind of pace does she do? How many hours is her goal to finish it? Um, how many has she done before? I'm like, Oh, are these questions I should have asked before I volunteered? So then I when I talked with you, you're going, Oh, you can do it. That sounds good, you can do it. I'll just train you as like you're training for a marathon. And so that's how we came up with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

And then you decided to do a marathon. Is that how that turned out?

SPEAKER_00

Yep, yep. And uh I decided to do one this fall or early winter because I didn't know if I wanted to keep up the training all winter long. Um with the weather getting really icy and stuff like that. That just always freaks me out that you know, uh injuries. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I fall almost every winter. I've learned how to fall really well, so I usually don't get too hurt. But you know, y if you tear your new running pants like I seem to do, that is irritating because I mean, not only do you, you know, get a bruise on your knee or whatever, but they're brand new and them things aren't cheap. You know, you get those insulated, those thicker ones. Yep.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Can you can you see my award there in the background? I got that as you. Yeah. That's the Wolverine. Yeah, that's the one I got at the Wolverine for being uh the oldest first old fli first old lady. First old lady.

Marathon Day: Pacer Strategy

Splits, Bathrooms, And A 5:02 Finish

Training Matters: Plans vs Winging It

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so on the marathon, um you recommended that I find a pacer, and I found the pacer. It's his name is Bob Strauss. Um and it was awesome. He just he had that five hour. He told us in the beginning he was doing intervals. His intervals really didn't match what I I was doing the thirty or three minutes thirty second. Um but I'm sure he had his all down mathematically to be exactly. And um we stick together quite a bit, most of it. Then we both took a bathroom break. Um I caught back up to him. But then he took another one so we split, but then I took another one and um I never really caught back up with him, which I could have. I think I could've. I just wasn't calculating it as much. And with that run joy in your ear, you'd hit a mark and it'd say, Okay, you're coming in a you know um four hours and fifty-eight minutes or four hours and fifty or something like that. So I'm like, Okay, I'm on target, you know. Um and I'm sure with he was very, very experienced pacer. And uh so I'm sure he even had it calc 'cause he gave me some tips and everything, but I'm sure he even had it calculated, like if it took him four minutes to go to the bathroom, how much he had to add to his paste to get it back up. Yeah. So but um and uh story wise after I I wasn't so I did it in five hours and two minutes. Um yeah, I was I was proud of myself. And that's all I I didn't put it on Facebook or anything 'cause it's like I'm not putting it out there for other people. But then I get to thinking I might still 'cause my mom was athletic in her older age and my dad kept up with his athlet at different things exercise. And in a way they s inspired me. So like if you do put it on it's not just to prove to other people that you do it. Sometimes it's to inspire others. And so So you know, there might be a time, you know. I'm and that's kinda I'm uh Andy said, Oh yeah, you're pretty humble, are you? And I'm like, Well you know, I didn't do it for other people to be proud of me. I did it for me. And if I can inspire other people to do it, that's that's a good thought, you know, to do it that way.

SPEAKER_02

But Absolutely, you know, so many people feel that they oh I could never do that. And I'm sure people told you that oh I could never do that. And they probably can, you know, it's it's just if you how bad you want it, you know.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Right. And it's a training. I mean, yeah, if you try to go out there and try to run even a 5k um and not do any training, you're you're gonna feel horrible the next day, or you know, like or at the end of it or whatever like that. But yeah, and that's one thing it you helped me understand is how important the training is to have that base. And uh maybe always listen to your coach, but that I'll work on.

SPEAKER_02

That's crazy. Yeah, you I I I I do gotta say you are one of the the ones that gave me the most pushback of all the people I've had so far.

SPEAKER_00

I didn't think I pushed back that much.

SPEAKER_02

I'll send you some of those texts.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's not fun if you can't cheese a little.

SPEAKER_02

That's true.

SPEAKER_00

Those hill those Hill repeats were yeah.

SPEAKER_02

They're not fun, but they're good for you.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So how how did it go with fueling? We had talked about your fueling and a strategy and stuff a couple of days prior to the race.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Um couple days prior, yeah. I uh carved up or I didn't really worry about what all I was eating, you know. Um and had the pizzas or whatever in that. Um during the race I just had uh I probably had way too much stuff. Um and I overdressed, which I always do. I do just um and that Bob gave me a great idea because it was quite cold in the morning. It was a little below thirty when we started. But it was supposed to get up almost in the fifties, forty-five or fifty. So it was a beautiful day. Um he cuts those Marlowe Marlowe the silver blankets.

SPEAKER_01

Oh yeah.

Winter Races And Staying Motivated

SPEAKER_00

He cuts it and uh tucks it into his under his shirts and stuff, it starts to run with that. Then he has surgical gloves on under his gloves. And then when he gets warm enough he'll take that stuff off and just toss it, you know. Um but feeling, yeah, I just like you said, just a couple candies here, candies there, you know, popping some um carbs or you know, like just kind of continuous and then and drinking the water. I did find I did have the bladder or the uh the camo bag with me. And I found stopping to grab or grabbing a water and trying to drink a w out of a cup was too hard. And it almost seemed like I was wasting time doing that. So like the last three stops I didn't even stop for the water. I just took it from my my sipper and stuff like that. But yeah, like you said, you know, every time you stop to walk, take a couple sips, and that's what I did. And I never felt like I hit a wall where my body was saying, you know, my knees and my um my more my hips were kind of like saying, Okay, this is this is not enough, you know. And after I walked, it was harder almost harder to start walk running again. But once I got running, I was fine. But then I take that 30 seconds and then it's like, okay, yeah. Oh, we like this. And then you start again and it's like, wait a minute, we were fine.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it was the same.

SPEAKER_00

Where's our six hour break before I have to but um I am looking forward to actually I've signed up for another half marathon the day after Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_01

Wow.

SPEAKER_00

Um I kind of would like to try to keep a race once a month just to kind of stay in the shape. Through the winter. Yeah, if I gotta travel, I will. You know, there's enough nice days that I can get out and run, I think.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You know. Or there's a treadmill, I guess. The dreaded tread treadmill. The dreaded treadmill.

SPEAKER_02

They have a race here in Madison every year. Um I haven't signed up for it for a while, so I guess I don't know for sure they're still having it, but it's called the um like the Sub Zero or something, and it starts in January. They do two races in January and two races in February. Um, you know, like so it becomes like every other Saturday or something. And uh like four miles, four or five miles each, and you get points for that, you know, and and that's out of one of the uh the bar restaurants downtown. And uh so you get discounted food when you get back and they give out prizes and stuff, you know, just for being there, just hats and stuff. So it's uh it's kind of I haven't done it in a while, but um that's you know, February. Oh yeah. You know, especially on the water because it's right downtown on the lake and it's like so cold, but at least it keeps you motivated to keep training through the winter and yeah because yeah it's brutal.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, winter can be brutal, that's for sure. Yeah.

Building A Base For Repeated Races

SPEAKER_02

So are you thinking half marathons uh every month or what either or I I wouldn't mind trying another marathon sometime soon.

SPEAKER_00

I that's one question I was gonna ask you is like if I want to stay in shape to run a marathon or a half marathon maybe every eight to twelve weeks, what kind of training would I continue with that?

Lessons From Friends’ Marathon Efforts

SPEAKER_02

For a well, it would be different for a half and a full. So we'd have to get a calendar out and and do the whole ups and downs of it. And um, but keeping a base um of overall mileage would be the smartest thing, right? So that you you keep a nice base, and then uh you know, if you did uh you know half marathon a couple times uh training, then when you get ready to race it, you would just you know, we take a ticket paper week and then bust out your the race for the marathon, it would be a little bit different because you gotta you know get that mileage back up there. Otherwise you're gonna feel it. Um you know, worth the half marathon I think during your training. You ran at least a half marathon almost every weekend unless it was a low week. Right. Yeah. So those are pretty, you know, once you get doing that, that's pretty easy mileage to keep up with when you have to, you know, when you get up to the marathon, it's gonna do so much more. Right for your uh for your body to feel good, well uh quote unquote good during the marathon, you know, because it's you know, it's 26 miles is to respect the distance, you know. So yeah. Yeah. Well, I you know that um we had some house guests here that had run the Madison Marathon um uh two weekends ago, I think it was. And um I don't know how long ago, but anyways, uh I didn't know them. They had uh uh reached out to uh my husband and asked, you know, and he didn't know either, but um, could they stay while he went to training in Florida and do the marathon? And it's not like I don't care. If they murder me, they murder me. That's right.

SPEAKER_00

That's right.

Pacing Wisdom And Starting Smart

SPEAKER_02

But the the guy, he the longest um distance he did was 16 miles of and it was his first marathon, too. Okay. And the girl um it was her second marathon, but he had stuck to a plant. He just was too bad. And he just kept going down and it was getting sore and you know, like cuts and whatever. And uh so it's um it's they're young too, you know. Right. You can set them on fire and they're fine. Um, but still he was really sore the next couple of days while he was here. And and I mean, you know, you can obviously you you're gonna probably be sore, but you could tell the difference between him and her because I had completed a full plan and he hadn't. So yeah.

Family 5K, Shin Splints, And Shoes

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and the interval and the the pacing really uh you don't understand how uh important it is. Um, just before we were starting the race, uh Bob had announced what the pace was gonna be, what the intervals were gonna be, and this one girl goes, Oh, um, I don't know if I can sustain eleven a mile eleven something pace. She goes, I thought I'd run faster in the beginning, and then you know, and he he just kind of shook his head, says, Well, this is what we're doing, and it'd be better for you to just start at a lower one and not run as fast, you know, in the beginning. And uh he goes, But that's that's what we're gonna do. And he was just so good at like you do what you you do what you do. And um like somebody was commenting on how many clothes I had on. And uh and uh Bob goes, you know, it's show sh if she's run that way before, that it's that's her, you know, she's gotta run the way she runs. And I did. I ended up I ended up taking off uh the jacket I had and somebody came up behind me and stuffed it in my little vest and stuff and helped me, but yeah. And he he was right. You know, like it's at the starting line, it's not the deciding time for you to figure out what how you're gonna run it.

SPEAKER_02

Was it her first marathon?

SPEAKER_00

I don't I'm not sure. I don't remember. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

How many were in your little pack of five hour people?

What Training Taught Cheryl

SPEAKER_00

Um I think there's probably about ten or twelve. Wow, that's great. But they weren't all real close, like, but they were, yeah, I could tell they're, you know, in that. So and my husband did his first 5k uh he run walk, um more of a power walk. And he did it in fifty-three minutes, which we're all real proud of him, but he got shins for it. He had our dog around his waist, so he was pulling on him. Plus, none of us even contemplated making sure he had new shoes. Oh no. So he's all bad at us. It's all our fault.

SPEAKER_01

Of course it is.

SPEAKER_00

And uh he says he's never running to one again. What a duder. So we're still working on that one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. We also what is something that you feel that you learned about yourself um in all this training and things that you've done and the uh like the sense of accomplishment or whatever as you cross the finished line. What was all of that like for you with the training and the accomplishment?

Best Moments From The 100-Miler

SPEAKER_00

Um I think I learned that I gotta listen to the voice the voices in my head that says that are more positive and be inspired by the other people in my life or that um that have done it and and know that I'm capable if I put my mind to it, but I do know that I've gotta stick with a plan and not just jump into things, you know. I gotta think things through a little bit more. So I've got a plan and not not maybe be so naive and offer to be a pacer without getting more information about being what a pacer is.

SPEAKER_02

It worked out, but it did. You I felt you did great. I don't know uh if it was but i I know it was a long ways, which is you know, I was concerned about that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. The mileage didn't bother me at all. Yeah. Um the whole experience was a a a big experience though too. But being a crew person and being a pacer, that that's a lot. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. Matt's nice pit steps.

SPEAKER_02

It was nice to see you um when you were crewing your daughters. Uh and I my crew wasn't there to see you. It was really nice to have a a face that I recognized, you know. So that's that was really nice. So so you got both you got both aspects. Now you just gotta run one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So 30 I mean, I basically did 30, so uh it uh it might have taken me what 12 hours to do 30, but um so a 50k might not be so out of reach, you know. Um after you do a 26 marathon uh 20 uh full marathon and 50k is within reach, but yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Oh so um just with the uh hundred miler, what is um one of your favorite moments from that, from the pacing that you did? Oh or the crew, because it that was exciting for you, I'm sure, to see your Yeah.

Night Trails, Hallucinations, And Grit

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um the determination on all you guys, um and just seeing you fight your own battles. Um when we were running we switched from we did the interval, you and I, and it was probably like it's I'd have been four o'clock in the morning. And you're like, Oh, I can't I can't make that two two minute mark. I gotta switch my phone because if it beeps it I I gotta s quit and walk before that beeps, then it's just too devastating in a way. You know, and I'm like, Okay, I get it. And um I was there for you. I just because you said, Oh, I'm sorry you gotta be so slow, and I'm like, No, this is fine. I you know, I'm here for you. I'm running your race, not mine. And uh support. You you're in life there's times when you support others. And it's not about you, it's about them. And that and crewing, you know, it doesn't matter if you, you know, fell asleep and you gotta wake up and do something, you're there for the support for others and helping them achieve their goals. So yeah. I think the Christmas light lights for the runway that we ran in that one time with all those lights. Oh wait, the cow the cow pasture. At first you pass There was manywort all over the place and you go, is that bear? Is that from a bear? And I'm like, I don't want to see a bear. I don't want to see a bear that made that pile.

SPEAKER_01

I really remember that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was that was way in the middle of the night. Probably like two or three.

SPEAKER_02

And uh yeah, at least I do remember the smell. The p the I felt like almost the whole race was a pasture. There it was so rough footing. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

There were some of the trails that were more like a tractor lane from one field to the other. And being farmers, I know that we have those. And you know, like you have branches that go down and you it it might not even be a path that you've used in six or eight months from one field to the other, because you don't need to go back there. And some of those fields look like they were unattended, so they wouldn't have. But once they get the grass grown up over those limbs and the the leaves on them and stuff, you don't know what your footing is. Yeah. Yeah. So and then we came up across that water hole. You weren't pleased with that. And I'm like, wait a minute, just I was like, stop, Carla, just stop. I said, that that was looks like a path over here. You gotta back up a little bit and go down. It it looks like other people have been going around this, so we don't have to go right to the ladder. I was so over it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. What was the um this is supposed to be about you, but I just gotta ask um the the one uh thing I said I thought it was a guy standing there peeing. Remember that?

SPEAKER_01

Oh hallucination.

SPEAKER_00

It was just like a subtree and some branches. And I'm like, yeah, but isn't there a cow over there?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00

And then we started talking about uh great big castles and moats and alligators.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I don't remember that. I was probably sleeping during that run, that portion of the run.

Competitive Kicks To The Finish

SPEAKER_00

Right. So but no, that was an experience and that's something I would do. Um I could see pacing again, yeah. As long as I feel I'm fast enough. And that was always my worry all summer long was I wanted to be make sure I was at the speed you wanted to be at.

SPEAKER_02

And I was lighting up that grass, wasn't I?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. You were doing good. You were doing good. So I did all right. Yeah, it was you did good. Oh, you did you did awesome. You did. We and I think I was at the very end when we were looking for the finish line because every corner we turned, it's like, oh, it's not there. It's not you you're like, Well, we gotta be running when they can see us, we gotta be running.

SPEAKER_02

And I did too. I I I looked at the video uh that my husband took and it kind of looked like I was running. In my mind, I was just tearing it up, but I don't think I was going that fast.

SPEAKER_00

We were coming up against uh behind somebody and he was walking and he was oh probably a couple hundred yards in front of us. And I just kind of looked over to you and I was getting tired just mentally and and physically. I'm like, we're gonna pass him, aren't we? Well, yeah, we gotta pass him. He's walking. I'm like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02

I get a little competitive, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, they told me once you hear or within the the finish line, you're like a horse going back to the barn, and I'm like, oh, I've experienced a few of those.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, do you have horses?

Any Age, Any Goal: Keep Going

SPEAKER_00

Um, my niece has some. Yeah, my niece has some. Like cows. But the cows are the same way. If they um they know that they're, you know, like it's time for milk and the other cows can't get in their way. They gotta stay in the same order they always do and get a little bossy and pushy.

SPEAKER_02

That's funny. I probably smelled like one of those. You probably were right at home by the time we got to the finish line.

SPEAKER_00

Well, we probably smelled the same.

SPEAKER_02

There's a good chance, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any um final words you'd like for the listeners to know about racing, about you, anything I didn't ask that you were hoping to share?

Set Goals, Avoid Negativity, Learn

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I think we covered a lot of it. Um just at any age, you can you can try it, you can start it and put it in your mind, and there's methods of to achieve anything you want to achieve. You don't have to um just get a plan and start working towards it. Um I have not officially signed up, but I'm gonna get my pilot's license to fly airplanes. Wow. So that's another goal I put on the So maybe someday I might fly to an marathon, get out my electric bike, get there, run the marathon. That's amazing. Yeah. But just find a goal. That's I think it's one thing in life is e even with the running, you know, like you're more apt to stick with your training and stick with your plan if you have a goal. But if you just even if it's a goal of running so many miles a month, um you're more apt to stick with it than if you're just like, Okay, well I think I'll just go out and run today and I'll run tomorrow. But if you have that goal that you want to achieve.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Every year I try to run the year, you know, like I'm gonna run two thousand twenty-five miles this year. Yeah, no. No. I'm pretty sure I'm not even close this year, but that's okay. You know, and you would think I would be with all the training for the you know, hundred miles and stuff, but no I'm sure I'm not there.

Closing Thoughts And Where To Find Us

SPEAKER_00

And like Sally, is it McRae? She says the DNFs they're not failures. They're just a step of a lesson that you've learned. And it's it's not it's not always negative. You gotta like I said that half marathon that I my first one. You know, in a way it it was a DNF because I didn't finish it. You know, but yeah, I supported her and so Yeah. Just you learn from everything. You just uh you gotta look at yourself to see what you did learn instead of being negative about it.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. And what um uh you you can't do that if you don't set goals and don't try. So Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, very cool. All right, well, thank you so much. It was great talking to you. Great to see your face again. It's been a couple months or a couple weeks. I don't even know anymore. So I look forward to talking to you again.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, all right, it was fun talking with you. Okay.

SPEAKER_02

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