What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
What we lose in the Shadows (A father and daughter True Crime Podcast)
Vanishing Innocence: The Case of Madeline Soto
What if the entertainment industry’s biggest names are hiding sinister secrets? Join us on "What We Lose in the Shadows" as Caroline and I unpack the shocking arrest of P Diddy, who faces charges of trafficking, sexual abuse, and RICO violations in Manhattan. We delve into the disturbing allegations, including a heinous incident with Cassie in a hotel hallway, and question the implications of his powerful Hollywood connections. The whispers involving other celebrities like J-Lo, Justin Bieber, and Usher add a chilling dimension, forcing us to confront the harsh realities of how the entertainment industry treats its most vulnerable members.
Switching gears, we examine the heartbreaking disappearance of 13-year-old Madeline Soto. The conflicting accounts from her parents, Jennifer Soto and Stephan Sterns, cast a pall of suspicion over the case. Stephan’s behavior, like resetting his phone before the police could investigate, raises red flags that point to a darker truth. We scrutinize the complex web of lies and denial, comparing it to infamous cases like JonBenet Ramsey. The episode closes on a somber note as we discuss the potential complicity of Jennifer and the gut-wrenching implications of child abuse, trafficking, and the search for justice in such tragic circumstances.
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Good morning and welcome to what we Lose in the Shadows a father-daughter true crime podcast. My name is Jamison Keys. I'm Caroline, Hello.
Speaker 2:Caroline, how are you Good? How are you?
Speaker 1:Very good.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 1:You know, I just want to give an update, in case you have been busy and didn't see it. Last week, a case that we'd done earlier, which was, of course, p Diddy, he was actually arrested last week in Manhattan and he's being held, currently without bond.
Speaker 2:I did see that. Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1:We'll have to do a real update later on, but it's. It was very interesting I after they sentence after they sentence him right. But interestingly, I mean, I knew they were going to go after him for trafficking. I knew they were going to go after him for, you know, sexual abuse and so on, and and some videos have come out really of, uh, an incident that happened with cassie in a hotel lobby I saw that and that was brutal and yikes but they're going it was a hotel hallway.
Speaker 2:Hotel, hallway, for god's sake it wasn't the lobby. Sadly, because someone else would have probably saw if it was the lobby right, right, so and I was wondering he dragged her back in, dragged her back in beat her to the ground and dragged her back in in a towel.
Speaker 1:Son of a bitch, um, yeah, uh, but anyways, he, he, I really wondered, because that was like in march or april that we did the um, that they made the raids and so on so I was just curious what had taken so long with it.
Speaker 1:Is he going to be, is he going to know such, have so much money and know such famous connections that he's going to slip off this hook? But no, they were just waiting to set it and they even have charged him with RICO charges. Are you familiar with RICO? I'm not Okay. Rico cases are normally made against the mafia or against, you know, a drug cartel.
Speaker 2:Organized crime.
Speaker 1:Organized crime, you know, developing an organization bent on committing crimes, and normally, like I said, it's for the mafia or it's like a biker gang. That's basically um, that's um, you know doing drug trafficking or you know weapons and so on, but yeah so. So that was a surprise and, uh, we'll see where that goes, but that was a very, very eventful week yeah, I am.
Speaker 2:I'm interested. I heard that and these are alleged, but I've heard that j-Lo was involved and knew about it. I heard that Justin Bieber was abused by P Diddy and Usher brought him there to be abused by P Diddy. I heard, like all these different things about, like famous people and none of it is has been confirmed, but that doesn't mean I don't believe it. You know what I mean. Like there are reasons that these things are being talked about and I feel like there's definitely some truth to these claims.
Speaker 1:So I watched a couple of things on YouTube of all places and read a couple of things in the New York Times, and there's a lot of nervous people in Hollywood.
Speaker 2:I'm sure.
Speaker 1:Because he would have these crazy freak off yes parties and things like that. Yep and um, yeah. But I know that usher um. When he first was getting into the music business, his parents met p diddy and of course he's a charismatic guy. He sent usher to like live with him for a little bit to see what the lifestyle was like. And although usher says I never saw, I saw some wild stuff and nothing like that, would you know that was illegal, but he was a child, he was like. And although Usher says I never saw I saw some wild stuff and nothing like that, would you know that was illegal? But he was a child, he was like a teenager. At this point it's totally inappropriate. So I agree, I agree, but they did ask Usher. They said well, would you send your son too? And he's like absolutely never.
Speaker 2:Exactly so anyways? No, exactly, but he did, because Usher is the one who found Justin Bieber.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And so he did send Justin Bieber there. Well, yeah, and there are videos of him young, drunk or something like not in his right mind, not sober Right, as a teenager with P Diddy in his house.
Speaker 1:See, that's.
Speaker 2:It's inappropriate. It's inappropriate. So although Usher didn't send his own child there, he definitely did send you know his protege Right there. He definitely did send you know his protege right. Despicable, yeah, I'm just. This whole thing is just ridiculous and I'm just so sick of the famous people, like you know, being apathetic to children. Like why is it always? It's always children, actually. I was gonna ask why, but I feel like it's children, because they're vulnerable well.
Speaker 1:So the case that's been brought and they didn't bring all the charges, they just brought a few few so far, so far, and none of them involve children, pedophilia or anything like that. At the moment there's a lot of acts that are covered, but the defense attorney for Pete Diddy is saying what you're going to notice is in all these things and all these films and so on, these are adults and therefore I really I question that, although, like I I said, allegedly this is happening, but apparently we'll see, but there are a lot, of, a lot of famous people that are very, very nervous now and almost like a epstein kind of a exactly this is.
Speaker 2:This is feeling very similar, right, isn't it?
Speaker 1:like uh, either either um, oh, what was it r kelly oh r kelly oh so these men.
Speaker 2:You know what, throw them away. Like I'm so done with these men. You know what? Throw them away. Like I'm so done with these men. There's some nice men left, it's all right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know one, you know two, thank you very much. Two.
Speaker 2:Your brother. Oh, yes, yes, yes, I was talking about you.
Speaker 1:No, I figured that. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Now there's a few.
Speaker 1:There's a, literally. I mean, these famous men are very dangerous, like the money, the entitlement. What my question has always been how do you allow yourself to be manipulated manipulated like this? And I guess part of the answer and part of the problem is if you're given a certain amount of fame and some people that's all they've ever wanted to be they want to be rich, powerful, powerful and famous. Right, that's not. Those are the three keystones to this. Would be an amazing life if I was these three things and if that's really your bent, if that's really you're not so into relationships or family or stuff like that. You just want to be rich and famous and this is your one shot. Maybe you're hesitant to report things like this, or you know not to just run when you see this kind of stuff absolutely, yeah, they're scared and you know there's a lot, especially back then.
Speaker 2:I think, like the reason that these are all coming forward now jeffrey epstein, r kelly p diddy, um, prince andrew, yeah, harvey weinstein, like the list goes on, but um, I think the reason that they're all goes on but um, I think the reason that they're all being um, being talked about now and being taken to court now, is because women have finally taken, you know, their stories, shared them, to show that they are actually very common, sadly being abused, being sexually abused and trafficking in general, and you know people are actually listening to this now because of you know this may be one positive of cancel culture for sure you know what I mean, like there are definitely positives to these things that we see as negative, but this is definitely a positive of cancel culture well, and one of the things he said when, or his lawyer had said when, they dismissed cassie's argument, right.
Speaker 2:How do you dismiss it with video evidence?
Speaker 1:Well, no one had seen the video evidence and he said that it didn't exist. This was all an exaggeration, but you'll notice that he paid her the next day once she filed it, because he knew there is video somewhere and after it surfaced. So she's a brave woman too. Absolutely, she's kind of been the one that brought this dude down I love it I love it once again. All this is a legend, just well, not all of it, we saw cassie. We saw him abuse cassie right he's definitely a piece of shit for sure.
Speaker 1:Yes, he is, uh, but that's not the case. We're actually talking about believe it or not.
Speaker 2:Just a nice long intro, that's right. Trigger warnings today are neglect, child sexual abuse, child pornography and murder. Yikes, today's case is a heartbreaking story of how a little girl was sexually abused by her stepfather, a story that's all too common. Many children are victimized by people close to them or close to their families. Uh, however, this story is a little different, so we're going to get into why okay this is the case of madeline soto.
Speaker 2:Madeline was born february 2011 to her mother, jennifer soto, and her father, tyler, whose last name I struggled to find. So her parents didn't stay together, but her mother found a new boyfriend a few years later. Stephan sterns met jennifer and the two fell for each other and finally got married when madeline was around eight okay uh, now there's not a lot of information from when madeline was eight until 13,.
Speaker 2:It was seemingly quiet in their house, nothing really coming up to the public, nothing strange happening that they know of. But now looking back, it was a little too quiet, I guess. Wow. So this year, in February 2024, madeline celebrated her 13th birthday on a Sunday with friends and family.
Speaker 2:The following day, jennifer asked Stefan if he could take Madeline to school. So this is her stepdad, right? Stefan instead dropped her off at a church that was three blocks away from the school, for some reason. Okay, I don't know if there's traffic or you know whatever. I don't know if there's traffic or you know whatever. I don't know, but I just thought that was strange too. Uh, jennifer goes to pick up madeline from school at 4 pm that day, only to find out that she's not waiting for her, like she typically is. Jennifer starts driving around the neighborhood looking for her daughter and then goes to her grandmother's house or madeline's grandmother's house, so her mom's to see if she's there. Jennifer doesn't know what to do, so she emails the school to see what time madeline left or if anyone you know knows where she could be. Uh, the school promptly responds uh, that madeline was never at school that day oh no, not even for first period.
Speaker 2:Now I can't imagine the feeling of finding out that your child has not been at school all day and is missing. And they're young, right, they're 13.
Speaker 1:There's nothing more terrifying than not being able to find your child.
Speaker 2:I can't imagine, right, they're so young and defenseless.
Speaker 1:Right, you know I was always a little overbearing, maybe a little overly zealous and finding you and I know one time at an Apple festival that a friend of our friends, of our families and you and your brother and their children went to and suddenly I realized I don't know where your brother is.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so scary.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, you know I'm frantically looking around and then you know your mom says look at that, who would let their child crawl up on top of that? You know, 10 feet off of that, on that pretend train, you know play set on top of it, who would let their child do that? I'm like um, that's, that's your son. That's funny, yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's so funny.
Speaker 1:Kids are too mischievous, they're just so impulsive. I mean it was doubly. I mean I was at one point I once said so I was like, oh my god, he's on top of the train set. And then I've realized that I we found him. I like at least he's just on top of the train.
Speaker 2:Yeah, honestly so scary when you go to those big like events. Um, you know, and parents expect the school to take care of their children, you know, while they're at work sure to know where they are at least. So when something like this happens, it probably sends the parents into shock. Um, you know, you think they're at school and they never win. Oh, you know, and they're young, it's not like they're just skipping school right um, because she just turned 13 the day before.
Speaker 2:so jenn Jennifer was extremely upset that the school didn't call her to tell her that Madeline was absent during the day, as it would have been helpful to know as early as possible that she was not where she was supposed to be. And it's tough for the school, I assume, because kids do skip, you know, sometimes, especially the older, that they get Like high school age kids are always skipping.
Speaker 1:I had a couple children that did that no, you had one yes, I had one you only had one that would do that.
Speaker 2:So jennifer calls the police and reports her little girl missing. The police are questioning madeline's mother and stepfather about when they last saw her. Jennifer said she saw her daughter at 8 am when she was getting ready for school, and Stefan describes how he dropped her off at the church and let her walk the few blocks to school at 825 to 840. The following day, jennifer and Stefan do an interview with the local news and tell a different story, and this is where it starts Like already your story is changing and shifting. Jennifer then claims that she and Stefan drove her all the way to school and saw her go into the school.
Speaker 1:After they already said that's not what happened to the police. That's suspicious Very.
Speaker 2:She then backtracked and said only Stefan took her to school. After this interview, things started changing with the investigation. Obviously, the public and the police found her flip flopping statements really concerning and suspicious, all the while Stefan is sobbing in these interviews begging for his stepdaughter's safe return. When police interviewed stefan, they asked to take his cell phone to look through it. He agreed, but then he did something very suspicious. What's that, can you guess?
Speaker 2:he broke it um, basically the same thing. Yeah, he reset his phone, so there was nothing on it. He said I don't know how I did this, but yeah, he reset his phone, so there was nothing on it.
Speaker 1:He said I don't know how I did this, but I think I factory reset my phone, so you hit the button that says factory reset my phone.
Speaker 2:Yes, correct. What he didn't realize is that police have technology specialists that can recover some often all of what was on a device, barring if the device is actually physically damaged. And of course, they found horrific things on his phone. Yeah, so just be prepared. Remember those trigger warnings.
Speaker 2:They found hundreds of images and videos of child pornography, mostly taken within the soto home. Oh my god. They identified stefan as the perpetrator in these images because of an identifying mark on his body. It's believed that the child in the photos were madeline soto due to the clothing matching the clothing that they found in her in her bedroom. A few days later, on february 28th 2024, stefan Stearns was arrested on battery and child pornography. The police then announced they were treating this case as a homicide at this point. The reason they made this decision to switch focus of the case was because they found some pretty damning evidence looking through the surveillance footage from multiple sources around the community. They caught stefan throwing away madeline's backpack and laptop in a dumpster at 7 30 the morning. He supposedly dropped her off um to walk to school. At this point stefan is obviously guilty like why are you throwing away her stuff that she. This is things, things she would need for the rest of the school year right and the laptop until it breaks right, like this is not something that you dump.
Speaker 2:Um, he also chose to dump her stuff on the apartment complex grounds.
Speaker 2:Stupid, stupid fortunately, criminals tend to be stupid you know and and I I'm thankful for that because, come on, so the they have easy um evidence to provide right. The police sure they found this very, very easily. Uh it it only gets worse from here. Uh, the police are able to see in the video at 7 30 am the figure of madeline in the car. The police believe that she had already been murdered and he had her body propped up in the car what to give himself an alibi, like in case someone saw her.
Speaker 2:No, no, he just had her with him to to take her and dump her. So the police received a tip stating a witness saw Stefan changing a flat tire on the side of the road near a wooded area 45 minutes from their home. The day Madeline went missing. Oh no, this man is really just so easy to follow, obviously. But the police searched the area and sadly found the body of Madeline Soto. The body of Madeline Soto.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, the police department somehow accidentally posted a photo of Madeline's deceased body on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, I don't. I don't know how that happens, but obviously the public was very upset to see these photos on Instagram, for sure, where their children have access.
Speaker 2:Right and I know in other countries crime scene photos are published for the country to see, for the public to see, um, specifically india, they will. They will show the photos of the crime scene. However, in america this scene is extremely disrespectful to the deceased and it is yeah, for our culture. Yes, um, it's also very disturbing to viewers to see a dead child's photo. This is a child, oh, it was just. It was really bad. So steven was charged with madeline's murder after he was already being held for the other crimes. So that's why they like charge him before, so they could, you know, have him there until they found the body, because they knew it was only a matter of time.
Speaker 1:What was the mother's involvement in all this?
Speaker 2:I'm so glad you asked Again. Things are going to take another turn here. So Madeline's mother was re-interviewed, march 14th 2024, in which she admits that often Madeline would sleep in bed with her and her husband.
Speaker 1:Creepy.
Speaker 2:Madeline was 13 years old and For that to happen very often.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:It's just, it feels very inappropriate, especially knowing what we know.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She also said that it was normal for them to sleep in the same bed even when she was not there.
Speaker 1:Even when the mother was not there, correct?
Speaker 2:So she allowed her husband, madeline's stepfather, to sleep in the same bed with Madeline just the two of them, a 13 year old girl.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not a chance.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not, Jennifer. The mother said that sometimes she would leave them alone and sleep elsewhere in the house because she had anxiety and needed a good night's rest.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to even say to that.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. This is she's like. This is like recorded. Like I, I, I heard the audio of this interview.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Why is a teenager sleeping in bed with a grown man who was introduced to her life, into her life, only years before? To me, it feels like the mother knew about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't want to jump to that conclusion unduly, but at the same time it's inappropriate it's, it's utterly inappropriate, it's just, yeah, and I'm sure that there are some. You know many, many, many stepfathers and step parents that you know are perfectly, of course, absolutely, but at the same time, normally, but that's, you know, age, young girls, young women, less and less to do with their parents, exactly. And yeah, the whole sleeping in the bed with the stepfather is just. There's something very wrong about that.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Jennifer states that she didn't know about the sexual abuse and that she didn't believe her husband could do that to his stepdaughter. So the police showed her a photograph of her daughter being abused by stefan. She then told them that she accepts that that happened, but she doesn't think that he could be so evil as to kill her.
Speaker 1:She literally just saw the photo wow yes she's got blunders on, she's not trying to see it, that's all so last month jumped to last month, august 2024.
Speaker 2:Stephen stern's. Stephen stern's parents were interviewed on their thoughts. His mom said that she doesn't believe that he wanted to hurt her. She thinks that it must have been accidental he accidentally murdered her. Correct, oh yeah, his dad said that he feels like do we even know our son? Do we really even know him?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's. At least he's opening up to the possibility. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then, in the same breath, he says that he thinks that he's just the fall guy put to it he felt obviously guilty about what he describes as an inappropriate relationship with madeline an inappropriate yes, that's.
Speaker 1:That's generically sinking more like rape it is. It was child molestation, it was rape, yeah yeah, his father is is sort of in denial, yeah he's waffling and obviously you know he's trying to put the best possible foot forward with it all. It's pedophilia. It's pedophilia, it's murder.
Speaker 2:Yep, the sexual abuse of a child that he was supposed to protect, but instead put his own sexual gratification above her safety and above her life sexual gratification above her safety and above her life. We also know that he had her dead body in the car and that he dumped her body in the woods, turned right back around, got a flat tire, turned right back around and cried and pretended to look for her, all the while wasting police's time that they could have used to solve other serious cases too yeah, sociopath yes, I mean, it's the epitome of selfishness and narcissistic behavior is has the?
Speaker 1:has a jury been seated for this yet, or are they? They've obviously brought the charges, but where does it stand right now? Do you know?
Speaker 2:uh, so they are still awaiting trial. But one thing I do agree with his parents about is that jennifer needs to be charged. They mentioned that they think that he was the fall guy for this and that jennifer was involved. I totally believe that jennifer needs to be charged for trafficking of her own child and, at the very bare minimum, neglect. She knew there's no way. She didn't suspect that this was happening. This happened hundreds of times, from when she was eight to 13 is what they're estimating.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Just wait. So most recently, jennifer confirmed that her daughter had missed her period just before she went missing. Oh no, so here's what I believe happened. Jennifer was looking for love and approval from Stefan, turned a blind eye to the fact that he was sexually abusing her own daughter. He gets the little girl pregnant and then he kills her to cover up the abuse. The question is, did she know about him killing her daughter? I think she did. I think she was in on it.
Speaker 1:Well, why would you so radically change your statement from day to day? Exactly it sounded like they had three different stories. Stories, and I mean, how does a mother, even if she's not aware that the murder has happened, she has to be somewhat aware that something weird is going on I mean yeah, if he's sleeping in the bedroom with his stepdaughter at 13 but she said that she sent them to go sleep in the bedroom together.
Speaker 2:She was like you guys just take that bedroom and then I'll sleep down here in a different bedroom because I just need some sleep. Well, why are you not getting sleep? That's my question. What is going on in the bedroom that you're not getting sleep?
Speaker 1:oh god, do you know what I mean? Like this is, but that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2:I'm like what? And this is like. She said that she had a rule that, yes, this is all in, like the um, the interviews that she did with the police. Uh, she said that she had a rule that no one else was allowed to sleep over and she was very strict about that see, that's a red flag too I mean it's a red flag? Yeah, exactly, but and then she had a rule that, um, that madeline couldn't sleep alone. Why?
Speaker 2:right so this is how she kind of like like phrase this to to the police what I I mean.
Speaker 1:That sounds like a fabrication. That sounds like you're trying to rationalize.
Speaker 2:You're grasping at straws.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and the fact that she knows the little girl was missing, and then they completely changed her story. No, we actually took her all the way into the school and then they changed it again. I mean, that's just you know.
Speaker 2:It's extremely suspicious and I think she definitely had, at the very bare minimum, an inkling that he was abusing her I think he, I think she had to have known something, because I just I just don't understand how she could do this like I don't understand it. Obviously he's trash, obviously right, but I just can't imagine like a mother or a father letting someone abuse their child it's shocking.
Speaker 1:Plus, I mean, we don't know and I didn't hear about the day she disappeared in the time that, um, they were aware of it. I i't I'm not sure exactly what was happening then.
Speaker 2:So she said that she wasn't aware of it until 4 pm.
Speaker 1:Still I mean.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:You're all over the place.
Speaker 2:Exactly You're calling everyone.
Speaker 1:You're out there looking, you're, you know, I mean I don't know it, just it really the whole credibility, the whole believability of the thing it's like I know, you know most parents if a child is gone, they're not sleeping, they're not going anywhere, they're going crazy. They're calling the police 25 times. They're out there frantically trying to find the child, and that you know frantic behavior that frantic. You know worry, you know terror is palpable, it's evident. You can see that in cases where this kind of thing has happened.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:And then you know there are other cases, like do you remember the JonBenet Ramsey? And you know, I mean, there's some really odd things about that case too. You know the parents didn't react like normal parents you would think would Right, or at least that I remember. No, they didn't. And this woman doesn't seem to be reacting like a concerned parent either. She's just like oh, I don't know what happened, you know she was.
Speaker 2:She's just trying to cover her own ass. Yeah, but even weirder her. So her birthday was that day before. Before Monday yeah. When she went missing. So Sunday her mom didn't go to her birthday party, Like it feels like she's trying to distance herself with that. They said she was working Okay, but Did they did?
Speaker 1:they give the time of death. Did they establish time of death? No, Could she have died that day?
Speaker 2:I believe so Because.
Speaker 1:I think it was in the morning. You're not going to a birthday party.
Speaker 2:It's so weird. It's so weird. And Stefan wasn't at her birthday party until later. So who's hosting this birthday party? Who was?
Speaker 1:at the birthday party Family and friends. But the little girl was there at the birthday party.
Speaker 2:Yes, friends, but the little girl was there at the birthday party, yes, celebrating her 13th birthday, but steph, the, the stepfather and the mother aren't there. Yep, that's so weird. It's just the whole thing is weird. And then afterwards, um, after she found out, after jennifer found out, the mom found out about the sexual abuse. She told stephan to get a lawyer, like her priorities are a smidge askew there.
Speaker 1:I mean exactly certainly not helping him arrange an alibi. It's insane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nope, no right parent in the right mind would do that exactly which makes me feel like she knew a lot more than she was leading on. It makes me feel like she knew that her daughter was pregnant and that's why they killed her. Oh my god, she missed a whole, like she missed one period. And you know that happens sometimes. Like periods are not like clockwork, they don't happen every month, but you know it's it's it's it's very odd timing to miss a period and then disappear and get murdered. It feels like one thing is connected to the other.
Speaker 1:It really does.
Speaker 2:It breaks my heart. You know like that. This little girl was sexually abused in her own home for years.
Speaker 1:By the people that she took that were going to take care of her. She took that for granted by those people.
Speaker 2:they, they, oh my god they, they trafficked her, yeah, and then murdered her like she was nothing I wonder, were the pictures, the, the things that were on his phone?
Speaker 1:was it child pornography in general? Was it specific to that? It was her.
Speaker 2:It was her not all some of it was general, like of other children, um, which is a whole separate. You know, very, very sad monster. Yeah, he's literally despicable, yeah, but yeah, no, a lot of it was her that he took on his phone. I mean, it's just, it's a heartbreaking case and, as of now, stephan is being held awaiting trial so what state um florida?
Speaker 1:so it was in the state of florida it's in the state of florida and well, you know, gosh, you hate to think about it this way, but there is at least a a very real chance that this guy is going to be in prison forever. If not, um, you know, they do have.
Speaker 2:They do have execution in the state of florida, and especially for something as heinous as you know, something like this, good god it's horrible and I just hope that they really take their time and are thorough in their investigation of the mother, because it really does feel like she knew something about this situation happening in her own house yeah, I mean I, I know, I know I've read stories and you know seen stories in the past where someone really closes their eyes tightly, that that this isn't really going on.
Speaker 1:And sometimes it's about, well, he, I, you know, I love him and I want to make sure he doesn't leave. My God, are you kidding? Are you really giving this guy an alibi? Are you really closing your eyes so totally that you don't see this happening? I mean, there's so many red flags of of you know, the sleeping arrangements alone.
Speaker 2:That's feel like she knew about everything Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, oh my God, just a terrible, terrible case.
Speaker 2:It's a terrible case. We'll let you know what happens next with this case, but that is the case of Madeline Soto. Follow the show on whatever streaming site you're listening on.
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