Walk for Courage

Episode 7  Season 5

Walk for Courage: Recovery, Community, and Mental Health Advocacy with Sean McMurray

Host Bobby K. welcomes Sean McMurray to episode seven of season five of the “What’s In Your Toolbox?” mental health podcast, titled “Walk for Courage.” Sean, a high-performance sales executive with 24 years of sobriety, discusses his recovery journey, his leadership and board service with the Canadian Mental Health Association (CMHA) Grey Bruce, and the value of community connection, vulnerability, and support teams. He explains CMHA’s community-based programs and describes the Walk for Courage fundraiser on July 25 in Owen Sound and Hanover, founded in memory of Jeff Courage, who died by suicide in 2019; proceeds support local mental health services. They also discuss social media, resilience, men’s connection, and the importance of reaching out, concluding with a reminder that people’s struggles may be hidden and a call to participate and share the episode.

00:00 Welcome to the Podcast

01:02 Meet Sean McMurray

04:40 How They Connected

06:43 What CMHA Does Locally

08:14 Sean’s Recovery Journey

13:44 Walk for Courage Story

17:54 Youth Mental Health Today

22:30 Tools for Staying Well

26:16 Support Teams and Men’s Groups

28:53 Closing Reflections and Next Episode

  A disclaimer notes Bobby is not a doctor and speaks from lived experience.

Link

https://greybruce.cmha.ca/walkforcourage/

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Transcript

0:07

Welcome to No Magic Bullet podcast series. What's In Your Toolbox? is a monthly podcast on mental health. I am your host Bobby Kay. Comedian, mental health advocate, and executive producer of the documentary No Magic Bullet: What's In Your Toolbox? An honest discussion on mental health. I am 70 years young, suffer from Tourette Syndrome, and love doing these podcasts that always reminds me to practice what I preach.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 0:38

Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode seven, season five of What's In Your Toolbox? This episode titled Walk for Courage, and you're gonna find out why, because our guest is involved with an organization, like really involved, and he'll talk a little bit about that. And I'm gonna tell you a little bit about my guest, 'cause I asked him to send me a bio, and he did. So Sean McMurray is a high-performance sales executive, board leader, and business owner who operates at the intersection of elite enterprise technology and deeply rooted community advocacy. With a 35-year career that spans winning six President Club awards at TELUS, managing multi-million dollar sales and building successful hospitality franchises, Sean is a master of navigating complex operational landscapes. But Sean's professional success is only half the story. Behind his strategic acumen is a profound 24, did you hear it? Twenty-four year journey of sobriety and recovery, a personal milestone that fuels his unwavering dedication to mental health and addiction advocacy. Sean has fu-funneled his life experience and executive leadership into governances that create realistic, systematic impact. For over seven years, he has served as the board chair for the Canadian Mental Health Association CMHA where he has spearheaded critical agency amalgamations, overseen CEO successions, and navigated complex provincial advocacy. Prior to his transformation work with the CMHA, Sean spent seven years dedicated to grassroots recovery as director of G and B Houses, a vital support recovery home for men. Now, as past chair with the CMHA, he is mentoring new board members to feel connected and grounded for the work and strategic direction ahead. Whether he is brokering elite technology contracts through his firm, Blue Mountains Communications, or pioneering governance of models for regional health services, Sean brings a unique blend of hospitality DNA, sharp business strategy, and authentic empathy to everything he touches On today's episode, Sean joins us to talk about leadership, the power of long-term recovery, and what it truly takes to build resilient communities from the boardroom to the front lines. Oh my God, you should write my next intro. So without ado, I wanna introduce you to my guest, Sean McMurray. Hey, Sean.

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 3:29

Bobby, what a pleasure, and thank you for that warm welcome. I really appreciate that

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 3:33

listen, I only wrote what you read, but there was a couple of points in it that were key. I threw it away. Let me just get them because you and I were both in the telecommunications business. Twenty-four years of sobriety is incredible. CMHA, I want you to know that I traveled all the way out to Calgary and Kelowna to do some fundraising for the CMHA. I actually have a button,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 4:04

Oh, you can. Oh, nice

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 4:05

a CMHA button, and the only reason I was out there is I had a connection through one of my partners in Calgary and Red Deer. But now I'm glad that I'm- got a connection in Simcoe or Bruce, Grey Bruce, because that's where we are. I'm at my home office headquarters, world headquarters in Eugenia, and your world headquarters is where?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 4:29

Thornbury.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 4:30

There you go.

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 4:30

Thornbury

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 4:31

There you go. So I think that is fantastic. So listen, even though we just met each other, I feel like you're a brother from another mother. So tell me a little bit about how we know each other

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 4:45

I guess it was that random post I saw from the library back in Mental Health Awareness Week. There was an opportunity to come and talk about mental health in in a safe space, and so I grabbed my wife, Jen, and we walked the two blocks down to the library and and got connected with you there. And that's really where the... It's been two months maybe. I think it was back in May.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 5:14

Isn't that wonderful that you could walk?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 5:18

Just walk. Yeah

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 5:19

sometimes you have to get on an airplane and go to a c-convention center in San Francisco, but you just had to w-walk down the street. Listen,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 5:27

Yeah, exactly

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 5:28

I saw you come in, and you had a badge on that said CMHA, and,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 5:34

Yep

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 5:35

sat down and you listened attentively, and then afterwards you asked me a couple of questions, and then you said, "Look, i'm gonna send some information out to some of my past board members," which was great. And here we are. But I can tell you that you were very positive. Your demeanor, I could get rid of my clonazepam and my Valiums because you got this incredibly soft, easy demeanor. I don't know what you're like at home, but you clearly have that. And you also sent me a nice note saying how much you liked my newsletter

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 6:12

Love that. I love getting into work Monday morning and and your, email lands in my inbox, and I take that few moments and just reflect. And whether it's a recipe or a tidbit it's awesome.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 6:27

I've been d-

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 6:27

thanks for... a lot of work doing the newsletter, so I recognize that

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 6:32

For me it isn't because it's like journaling. I collect stuff as I go through the week and that's one of the skills that we have is journaling, right?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 6:42

Yep. absolutely

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 6:43

But you told me that you were the past chair of CMHA, so I know what it stands for. Maybe you can talk tell us a little bit about CMHA

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 6:54

So the agency is in rooted in Grey Bruce. We have offices from Markdale to Owen Sound, of course Wiarton, Southampton, Kincardine, Hanover, Walkerton, and we deliver community-based mental health programs. We deliver housing. We deliver court support services. We are the feet on the streets connected with really happening in our communities. And whether it's suicide awareness training, which is where we're at today with the Walk for Courage then just trying to make the world a better place, kind of one conversation at a time. And to be clear on that, the agency exists because of the staff. That's first and foremost, the social workers, the assistants, the housing managers, the maintenance managers. The staff are really truly beautiful humans I can't say enough about them when they deliver these services to those people. Tough conversations. are at their weakest and most vulnerable and whether it's the homelessness addicted or just somebody just struggling to, put a couple of nickels together for groceries, it's it's truly remarkable.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 8:14

Listen, before we get to talk about the Walk why we're doing this podcast, when I read your intro, it talked about your journey and why you ended up volunteering at the CMHA and becoming the chair. So you think it's appropriate? Can we talk a little bit about your journey?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 8:32

Yeah. I had been a regular AA attended AA in Owen Sound for, every Friday night or other s- the big b- anyways I was at an AA meeting week, and my job actually took me away from Owen Sound and different parts of Ontario, and I was just on the road a lot. And I felt like I needed to give back and be connected to the the in AA, and and I was really just looking for another outlet. I wanted to serve and be in service, which is why, why you volunteer. And I saw an opportunity to be involved with G&B House, which is a 90-day treatment facility for men based in Owen Sound, and the board of directors at that point, to try to just give back in a different way. I had some... I felt like I had some leadership experience. I understood, funding from the province and how things get managed from our funders, and that was the ability to c- be connected again with that recovery community. that was at the journey, that was back in 2016, that's, it's hard to believe that was 10 years, where decided as a community that there was three organizations that needed to be one because we were all talking to the same person. So we had an organization, three different organizations that were doing basically the same thing. O- one was maybe more focused on housing, one was maybe more focused on recovery And so we amalgamated those three, and we worked really well together. I can't say enough again about When people have a vision, and you can articulate that vision from a governance standpoint, anything's possible. And we became an agency under one umbrella back in twenty eighteen, that's when I took the role as board chair until just this past... We have an AGM every September. we-- Back in September of twenty twenty-five, I, I s-was able to step down s-steering the direction, the strategic plan in the right way, and the CEO succession and I felt that was the time to somebody else take over and manage the organization from a governance perspective. So that's at the heart of it was just I felt that I needed to be connected to my community, but I couldn't go to the meetings every... whether it was a Friday night or a Monday night or a Tuesday night because my job just took me everywhere. And this allowed me to be connected, and I felt that I was able to give back in a way that helped, everybody. Governors govern, the staff do the work. We-- They make us look good at the end of the day. that's what's most

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 11:21

So what qualified you to be giving back, when I talk about journey, was my previous guest, Intrepid Living, she was 20 years sober in September, and she told me she can go anywhere in the world and her support group is the her AA or her 12-step program. So how did you get yourself into your situation and how did you use it to get to the, to this point?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 11:54

Yeah, I recognized a pattern in my life back in my twenties and early thirties that I wasn't I wasn't fun to be around after a couple of I didn't enjoy who I was. So it was a moment in time where I felt that I needed to take hold of my life before it truly became unmanageable. addiction is one thing, but once you stop drinking, then it becomes like the onion, right? I had a sponsor that once told me it's just the-- it's like peeling an onion. So then you deal with the trauma of, where, why you were at that place. And I really just wanted to just be better for my kids. At the end of the day, that was always my higher power, was my family. So recognizing that I didn't want to create a legacy of drinking and a drinking culture, which just permeates through our whole society that one person can make a difference. And that, that's, that was the reasoning, was my own struggles. And I just didn't want my kids kinda grow up the way I grew up. And that led me into the rooms of AA and where I felt like there was a community to your previous guest, right? Anywhere you are can be anyone that's on the that's working this through with you. But I felt that I could only go so far in AA and that's why I decided to get involved and just be an advocate for recovery and mental health in the boardrooms as opposed to the AA rooms and basement churches

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 13:25

Listen, you know what? You might as well be addicted to something that's good rather than something that's bad, and it sounds to me like you are addicted to advocacy, and I guess that's where we are right now. So there you are at CMHA, past chair, blah, blah, blah. You, I'm not blah, blah, blahing it, but why I wanted to have you on was that you told me that you have a fundraiser coming up called Walk for Courage. So tell me

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 13:56

yeah,

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 13:56

a little bit about that

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 13:58

So the Walk for Courage is actually one of our main fundraisers. It happens on July 25th in Owen Sound and Hanover. It's just walkforcourage.ca. I know you'll post links on the and we'll be able to share that in the literature. but really what the Walk for Courage started as a journey by the Courage family. It's a local Owen Sound family. and of course, they encountered every parent's worst nightmare in November of 2019. Their son, Jeff the old- their oldest son of Greg and Tanya Courage, he died by suicide at a very young age of 21. He was a third-year political science student at the University of Western Ontario and he had dreams of becoming a lawyer and eventually running for public office. He was a person like this, and this kid had everything going for him, like everything on the outside. He was also a personal trainer at Owen Sound Fitness and Training and a proud member of Lambda Chi Alpha Fraternity, and for someone known for his kindness, humor, and ability to make others feel welcome. always say to people, there's a very fine line from where we are today to where somebody is in this state. And like many families experience to the loss to suicide, the Courage family wanted to find a way to create something more positive, and they also wanted to prevent it from happening to other families. If you can-- much like my own work in AA is like being open and honest and sharing your stories so that you can, one person, if you just help one person that's what's most important. So members of Jeff's fraternity and friends at Western, they launched a campaign called The Courage Project. They sold T-shirts that s- that said, "United Together," and they raised $17,000 in Jeff's memory. And that project just showed how many lives Jeff's touched. And the family then, along with Josh Burnett, the owner of Owen Sound Fitness and Training and CMHA, we created the first Walk for Courage. the goal was very simple. The Courage family wanted to just honor Jeff's memory and create a legacy also raise awareness and have what better way to do that than having conversations like this with community members? Just one of our taglines is, "It's okay to not be okay." So that was the simple goal. It was a memorial walk and it's now grown into one of our largest mental health fundraising initiatives. And we raised over $48,000 last year, and that supports mental health programs and services. So again, participants, you can walk it starts at Owen Sound Fitness and Training. in Hanover, it's at the Sulfur Spring Conservation area, or you can just walk out your front door. It's open to anyone, regardless of age or ability. We keep the walk very simple very flat along the trail in Owen Sound. It's beautiful along the waterfront there, down to Bay Shore Community Center and back again. And the people support, they walk in memory of someone or simply because they believe that mental health matters. so of the things we say is you don't have to be an athlete to show up. And why it matters is because mental health touches everybody. And a lot of times many people have experienced their own mental health challenges. They wanna be to-- there to support a family or a friend, or sadly, they've lost somebody to suicide, they've just struggled with isolation, anxiety, depression, grief, or addiction. It affects us all either directly or indirectly. and that's the Walk for Courage, in a nutshell. So we're really grateful for this opportunity to share the story and the awareness to just create conversation and you don't have to be alone and just reach out.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 17:46

Listen,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 17:47

Yeah.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 17:47

are gonna have in show notes, there will be a link to it, and anybody that wants to find out about it can definitely find out about it. But it's interesting because I'm 70, so I was in high school when there was grade 13. A-

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 18:02

Me too

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 18:04

then they got rid of grade 13, and people that went in grade 12 went to university, and I don't know, this is just a conversation. Jack.org started, and it was a story about his son being at Queen's University and isolation and coming up with these challenges. And I know that I've had a number of friends whose kids are just too young, too inexperienced to move away and have to deal with the stresses of university. So do you know what, is that correct, do you think? Do you think it was the grade 12 to grade 13 that, that caused a lot of this stuff?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 18:48

I honestly think it's the stupid cell phones, the social media. are inward, they're not outward. Nobody's connecting anymore. people aren't getting together with their neighbors. People don't even know who their neighbors are. you've-- you're, you're suppo-supposed to be social media. I don't believe kids are resilient. I think that being connected all the time to family and friends, you don't learn to be resilient, and there's no learning going on with the... you f-face a little adversity in your day, you just pick up your phone and call your parents or... I think back to when was young and I moved away. At 14, I spent a summer training in the Alps. I had no way of getting in touch with my parents for skiing. I moved to west again for the summer when I was, I think 16 or 17 for two months. Long distance was a thing. You couldn't just pick up the phone and call your parents. You had to actually write a letter or wait for the letter to be written. And when you were raised in a time where you just had to deal with that adversity and you had to talk to your friends in order to solve your problems, now we become more internal. and I've made it a part of my is to be reaching out. I blow my neighbor's snow, I cut her grass, I help my neighbors to the other side. I help my nei-- like, I know who my neighbors are. We have a neighborhood party every winter. and I believe that community, whi-which is my tagline of my business, is connecting communities is so vital. And to not feel alone and to feel isolated, I... maybe the youth maybe going away so young is part of it. I-- That could be true. But, my, my kids took a year off and they stayed home. They worked full-time. They got a taste of what the real world looks like and how little money you make when you do work full-time at minimum wage jobs, so that encouraged, of course, higher learning. I think kids that stay back for that year create that resiliency and they're they're not dependent as much. But yeah I think it's the phone. I think it's social media

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:06

you and I are both in the phone business

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:08

yeah

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:09

little did we know that it, it was gonna evolve to this. So I don't know you very well. So you were training in the Alps for skiing?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:18

Yeah I was a ski racer when I was growing up and I a summer and went to the, to Saas-Fee and yeah, tried to become a better

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:28

Where'd you ski out of?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:31

Sauce Faye is there,

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:32

in Ontario

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:33

Men's Ski. I was out of London. I grew up in St. Thomas, so it was part of the London's

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:37

Did you know that I taught skiing at Boulder?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:41

Oh, did you

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:42

Oh yeah, when I went to university, I was 10th in Canada for freestyle skiing. I was working for Fisher, and I was part of the Western Ski Club. I graduated in 1977. When did you go to Western?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 21:57

No, I went to Fanshawe

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 21:58

you went to Fanshawe. I also taught skiing at Ski High,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 22:02

Wow

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 22:03

Fanshawe College, right?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 22:05

It is. Yeah.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 22:06

So listen, we're, we're using this time t-to get to know each other. So London Ski Club, I'm at Beaver Valley. We still have Newt Domberg here, and there was a couple of level fours that came out of Boulder.

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 22:19

Yeah

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 22:20

And there you go. We're both skiers, so we're gonna have to ski. I'll have to come to Beaver Valley 'cause I still teach skiing here. I still teach kids and a-and there you go. But what I wanted to talk to you about was, 'Cause you're a very, organized, structured guy, I think, from what I'm... Do

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 22:40

to be.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 22:41

you think the, 'Cause I wanna get back to the whole thing of of the 12-step program and AAA. What's tools-- 'Cause this is called What's in Your Toolbox? What tools did it give you, or what tools have you developed to help you deal with your mental health?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 23:01

I think that for me the AA journey created a path early days to recognize, that you needed to do-- get-- It was work. You had to work it, and you had to work the steps in order to get to what others wanted. That's one of the taglines. the community that comes with AA, like community is so important, the importance of connection. To your point about your guest before, anywhere in the world, anywhere you are, you can go to an AA meeting. I think that's what's really important is that there are people there that genuinely wanna help, and they wanna help you, and they wanna... and/or, or others that wanna be helped. And the openness of the vulnerability of the AA community is what's great. You get to share stories you're meeting others who understand and you feel part of something bigger, right? I think that's so important is that community, and that's where the to my point earlier about being siloed and just alone and on these stupid phones that I think are just toxic. So the AA journey taught me that you needed others in your life be sober. It taught me that the higher power doesn't necessarily have to be a religious one. One of the many conversations I have with people that are just coming into AA the need to feel like a higher power in terms of spirituality and religion It, it's what you wanna make it to be. Mine is my family. My family is the driving force behind everything I, I do when it comes to my sobriety. my, my daughters and what my dad up until he passed away about a year and a bit ago and Jen, who you met as well. yeah, like that's, that to me is the tool is that I can walk down to that Tuesday night group at the church when I point go that way, just down Bruce Street. don't get there as often as I, I used to. but that's the importance of it. the tools, I think the sharing, like just being open to share and to say, "I'm really not doing 100%." 'Cause if we hold it in you're gonna... it's just not good. But I think the community piece I stress upon that so much. Get to know your neighbors. Don't wait for them to knock on your door. Go knock on their door. Take them some cookies, some muffins. them if you can help. And if you can change just one person's day you've created that community that people so crave.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 25:43

Listen, one of the things that I like about talking to you is that I always practice what I preach, but I forget to do it. I have a triad. I have anxiety, OCD, ADD 'cause I have Tourette's, and sometimes I get depressed and I can't get out of bed. And my girlfriend would say to me why don't you just practice what you preach and tell all these people what they're supposed to do?" So you practice what you preach because I think you're all about community and family. I call my stuff BAST, Bob's Amazing Support Team. You gotta have one of those things, and you gotta keep growing it. And you have a SAST,

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 26:26

you.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 26:26

John's Amazing Support Team. So I think you've really covered that off. You wanna add anything, you wanna add anything to that support team?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 26:35

I sure do. I have a couple of guy friends that we get together monthly. We go out for dinner and we watch a movie and just sit around the table and shoot the breeze just to keep it PG. But I think that's important is to have guys need to have connection 'cause that's an area that creates that loneliness. I I really believe that's important too. So we go out for dinner, like I said, once a month. We're actually camping together in a couple of weeks just here in Medford and just sitting around a campfire stories and having a laugh and that's another support team are my friends. My guy friends are very important to me

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 27:18

it's interesting 'cause this whole men's group, Dan Fortopoulos or whatever, however pronounce his name, is one of the advisors to our charity, and he has a men's group in Collingwood. I'm not sure what the name of it is, but, I'm a comedian and I do something stand-up with a guy named Joey, and he's part of this men's circle or this men's group. Do you know anything about this?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 27:41

Oh,

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 27:41

Yeah.

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 27:42

I don't. I

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 27:43

'Cause I think men need... they wanna be rough and tough and they don't wanna be vulnerable, right?

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 27:50

That's right. Very true.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 27:52

And so the

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 27:52

I think I think it's being, again, just being connected for sure. Something to look forward to.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 28:00

unfortunately, we're connected, but we're finished being connected on this podcast 'cause we've run out of time. But I want to know, you to know that there will be show notes and hopefully we'll let lots of people know about the Walk for Courage. And I wanna be part of your men's group. I don't drink I can, I, I can come wherever you are.

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 28:25

drink either.

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 28:26

I bet I, I g- I, I kinda figured that

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 28:30

I don't drink, but my friends sometimes

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 28:32

Okay, I wanna be part of this men's group and I don't wanna lose contact with you. So as I said, w- we've run out of time. So this is Bobby Colvin and

sean-mcmurray_3_06-16-2026_101011 28:43

Sean McMurray

bobby_3_06-16-2026_101010 28:45

Saying thank you so much for listening to this episode of What's in Your Toolbox? So everybody, as I finish these podcasts with something that I've read in the newspaper, and I didn't know that this was gonna be so relevant, but I picked out that on the 29th of April, 2026, there was an article, "Always clutch when it counted four-time Stanley Cup champion ranks 134th in regular seasons, ninth in the playoff goals." That was about Claude Lemieux. And there, one day I saw him carrying the torch in the forum, and then the next week, I heard that he had taken his life. So what I'm telling you about is only the lid knows what goes on in the pot. Just because you can carry a torch through the forum for the playoffs doesn't mean that you have all these demons and these struggles, and that's exactly what Walk For Courage is and what this podcast is about, and talking an honest discussion on mental health. So in conclusion, I wanna thank Sean so much because we just met, and he offered to come on and do this episode, and it will be out in time for you to visit the CMHA website and to find out a little bit about where you can participate in the Walk For Courage. So our next episode, we're gonna go to Quebec, and we're going to be talking to a, an ultra-marathon athlete. It's called Hunger for More in Life. So everybody, please subscribe, please share, and please continue on listening to What's In Your Toolbox?

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Thank you for listening to No Magic Bullet, What's in Your Toolbox? I am not a doctor, but I have lived experience in dealing with the many challenges of mental health. If you enjoyed this podcast, please subscribe and share with others who will benefit from learning about tools they can use to deal with their own mental health challenges. If we can help just one person, all this effort to bring this podcast to you is worth it.