The One Thing Most Dads Are Missing Right Now

In this episode of the DADHOOD podcast, Thomas and Frankie sit down with DK, founder of Water Fusion, for a conversation about wellness, nature, fatherhood, human connection, and learning to slow down in a world that constantly pushes us to do more. What begins as a discussion about health and biohacking evolves into a deeper conversation about presence, parenting, emotional awareness, nature as medicine, and reconnecting with the childlike wonder many adults lose along the way. 

Main Emotional Themes

•  Presence over productivity 
•  Human connection 
•  Healing and self-awareness 
•  Nature as medicine 
•  Fatherhood and leading by example 
•  Finding peace in a chaotic world 

The greatest gift we can give our kids isn't perfection—it's presence, self-awareness, and a willingness to continue growing ourselves.

Chapters

00:00 – Meeting DK for the First Time
03:18 – Why We Need to Surrender More and Control Less
07:05 – Growing Up in Rural Utah
11:40 – Nature, Family, and Childhood Lessons
15:18 – Raising Kids Through Honesty and Example
20:04 – Giving Our Kids the Cheat Codes We Never Had
25:36 – Family Patterns, Awareness, and Growth
31:20 – The Vision Behind Water Fusion
36:08 – Wellness, Nutrition, and Human Connection
41:45 – Why Presence Is the Ultimate Biohack
47:12 – The Apps Running in Your Mind
52:18 – Embracing the Inner Child Again
57:34 – AI, Productivity, and Creating More Time
1:02:48 – Nature as Medicine
1:08:10 – Positive Energy, Water, and Belief Systems
1:13:22 – Biohacking Human Potential
1:19:05 – The Power of Sauna, Cold Plunge, and Nature
1:25:42 – Living More Aligned Every Day
1:29:20 – Dadhood Events and Final Thoughts

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Okay. So it's recording. All right, there we go. So we're just kind of getting set up here at water fusion and sugarhouse. So this is your buddy DK.

SPEAKER_03 0:07

Yeah. Soon to be your buddy.

SPEAKER_04 0:08

Yeah. Like we met. He came in. We shook hands and he's like, I'm a hugger. And I'm like, Oh, I love that. Me too, dude. Yeah. Like he goes, it feels like we're family. Feels like we already know each other. I'm like, I I feel it too. I feel it too. What's up? Oh yeah. Oh it is. I'll just keep it rolling. Okay. Yeah, why not? Yeah, but let's let's let's see here. Just put like because here, I'm not sure. It's hard to tell. These are kind of a cheaper headphone that I love. It's so weird. I fell in love with these headphones years ago just because of the way they sound and feel. So put them on and just if they feel comfortable, if not, flip them around. Because you'll know when you put them on. Like that's the right way. Okay, see, there you go. Better? Okay. And how's that sound on your headphones? Good? It's loud. Is it loud? Okay, let me come down on you. Okay, I'm right there. Check one, two. How does that sound? Still loud? I'm going down. Still loud? Okay. Right there? Okay. And then let's just get a mic check on you.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Test, test.

SPEAKER_04 1:00

How's that sound?

SPEAKER_00 1:01

One, two, three.

SPEAKER_04 1:02

Is that good? Good. Just make sure you're up on that mic when we're talking. And let's see, you're on two. We were talking to Brendan when we came in and we're like, we just we just go with the flow, man. Right on. We just you kind of just surrender to life instead of trying to because I think we're I think it's safe to say that controlling people like that was our old life. That was the default.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Add me to that.

SPEAKER_01 1:24

Just barely learning to surrender.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

Yeah, yeah. Like we just try to control, and there's only so much in your life that you can control, and it's it's not a lot, it's how you react to things.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

And the least the the least you control, I think the better you start to flow a little more when you over trying to oversee everything. Yeah. It just takes all your energy.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Oh man. And then your mind starts going to the what-ifs. Yeah. Right? Like, oh man, here we go. We're gonna play out 10 scenarios that will never happen in real life. Yeah. But we're going there. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

I want to use the energy right now. I want to suck it up on something that's meaningless.

SPEAKER_04 2:00

So let's kind of get into this uh getting to know you, like introducing you. So you're DK from Water Fusion and Sugarhouse. Yes. You and Thomas, like when did you guys meet? When is it that we first met? Yeah. And make sure you get right up on that microphone, DK, because we gotta keep it close. Yeah. Yeah, there it is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Um, I think just you coming in here, right? It had to have been. And then we did Cars and Coins. That was kind of a major connection there.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

I was stoked to see you there, dude. Honestly, because I was like, there are a bunch of dudes here that I don't know if I really like vibe with. And I saw you there. I'm like, all right, we're okay. Same way. We're okay. Same way. What was that event? What was it? Um, so coins like cars and coins. It's um Dan Young and Bridger Pen Pennington. Right, yeah, they put it together, they own a hedge fund, but it's for like um crypto currency. So they do this like gathering, people bring their nice cars, their I think you've told me about them. They kind of flaunt them off, and then they go in and they talk about their services that they offer. So nice.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:58

So that's where you guys met. So, how long ago was that? When was that one? That was a few years ago.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Say three, three years ago, right in that ballpark.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Yeah, and DK's been on the show before, but not this way. So Frankie and I are doing this full time now together. So it's like, yeah, so now it's a whole different dynamic, dude. Just wanted to have you back on your knowledge base in the wellness arena, and I love the end. So the end is your disposition is so calming. I was telling Frank all the way ago, dude, I I'll be amped. I'm like ready to go. I come in, I chat with you, and I'm like, he's balancing me out. I love this. Because you just have such an awesome thing.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

Well, as soon as you came in, it was the same thing. He came over and he was like, I feel like we know each other, and I feel the same way because he's been talking about you for years. Yeah, and he's like, it's so he went. I went in for the handshake and he's like, Oh, give me a hug. I'm a hugger. And I was like, I am too, dude. And I'm like, I felt like this instant connection as well.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Nice. Well, I see you guys together regularly, and you both have some amazing smiles, so you're so welcoming.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

Anyway, so let's get to know you. I want before we get into water fusion. So, who is DK? Like, are you from here? Where did you grow up in Utah? You know, I saw it.

SPEAKER_00 4:05

I grew up in in the in the Utah area, more rural country. Like where? Uh the UN Basin, Vernon's hometown. Oh, Vernal. Yeah, I just got back from there this weekend, had an amazing time with family, grew up in a in a small town.

SPEAKER_04 4:16

And how was it growing up in Vernal? Was it?

SPEAKER_00 4:18

You know, it was it was amazing. Was it? Yeah, when you think about our connection as humans, it's all nature. Yeah. And I didn't miss a beat on that my entire childhood. So, and that just comes from parenting with great dad, who had took me out fishing and hunting and exploring, and connecting to the universe. Connecting to the nature, yeah. So I I'm very grateful for that. Uh having that foundation underneath me, I feel like helped a lot. So, what brought you to Salt Lake? My wife, her family, uh was it was all from here. That's where I met her coming to going to school. And uh we come back the last uh ten years to just spend time with her family and uh enjoy them. That's great. So really nice. We gotta we gotta do both. About 15 years back in the UNA basin with my family, we're doing a family business in here for the last 10 or 11, you know, helping my wife with her parents and grandparents and so on.

SPEAKER_04 5:08

And what about schooling? Where did you go to school?

SPEAKER_00 5:10

Um just the community college. And then I did a lot of uh alternative type educations through uh programs to really enhance my knowledge on epigenetics as well as quantum nutrition. Uh I grew up in a pretty holistic family as well, so kinesiology, uh, naturopathy, all those things kind of tie into what my background is.

SPEAKER_04 5:30

See, I'm starting to get into this now, and I think he would love the telepathy tapes podcast. Have you listened to that? I haven't. Oh my gosh, dude. So we'll talk about that after we're recording.

SPEAKER_03 5:38

We're gonna go down the rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_04 5:40

But you'll love it because this is your world, and this is something that you grew up with where you were open to just kind of the universe and something beyond us. Yeah, I love that. We met Brendan on the way in.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yes, that's my son.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

And how old is he?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

He is 24.

SPEAKER_03 5:53

24. You were saying he's aging. He's like aging so well. I was like, I thought he was a teenager.

SPEAKER_04 5:58

I mean, he looks I mean he looks young, but you look young, so there you go. I'm like, this will be good when he's like 40, he'll look 20. Yeah, you know, that's the goal. DK's really 24. That's reversing age. Thank you. Brendan, appreciate that. Speaking of the devil, oh man, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

One of our classics there.

SPEAKER_04 6:14

He seems like he did, I mean, you did a great job because he was very very conversational. And speaking of connection, I mean he you know looks you in the eye, and it's like I have a boy who's almost 10, and I've been working on that, you know, the handshakes, looking in the eye, you know, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

Like just take that moment to actually connect with somebody. Yeah, that's a rarity, dude. Especially 24 years old. Yeah, yeah. Bro, that's like a one in a million right now.

SPEAKER_04 6:36

It's like a unicorn. Yeah, it is. Seriously. Because a lot of younger or kids his age, it's hard for them to interact with people.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

Yeah, I feel like that's that's the case. You see that a lot? I see a lot, yeah. So how was it raising him? Great, way better than I was as a kid. Yeah, yeah. I was a rebel at the highest level, so I'm thankful that my kids uh in my direction guided them a little better path in a little better direction.

SPEAKER_04 7:00

How open are you with him with that sort of thing? Because I'm pretty open with Axel talking about, I mean, I there obviously there's things that I hold back with, but I'm pretty open with how I was a teenager and certain things that I did that I don't want him to do, and I'm not proud of, and and you know, the reasons that I did it and thinking, you know, saying like alcohol for for example.

SPEAKER_05 7:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:21

I'm like, I started drinking at a young age, and I'm very open with him on that. I'm like, if we had the knowledge back then, what we know now, how it literally can cause brain damage, and maybe not to the extreme that you're thinking, but like cause behavioral problems or learning problems. I feel that because of me choosing to drink at a young age, it hindered my ability to learn certain things. So I'm kind of open in that sense with him.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

Yeah, 100%, and I agree exactly with that. I've some very similar. I like grew up in a small town. There ain't much more to do than drink, yeah, you know, mess around, crazy things. So, yes, anyway, very open with that, very clear with the consequences that happen with alcohol, yeah, and you know, making the wrong decisions. I I think that he has seen my actions and the way I've grown, and I think he's tried to implement those ways into his life so he can bypass a lot of that.

SPEAKER_04 8:10

Uh yeah, it's like giving a a pass like this don't make the mistakes. And I know it's like age-old. I mean, our parents are gonna be like, Don't well, some parents, because some parents don't share any of that. Sure. Then it's like this unattainable, you know, almost godlike parent that when you do make a mistake, it's like I'm a disappointment because my mom or dad never did anything, and it's like they just didn't share it with you.

SPEAKER_00 8:32

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:33

We're all human.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, no, that's right. I mean, I think those conversations have to happen. You have to open up yourself and express things you don't want to see, the things that troubled you, even even in more depth, uh, how we work our minds, how we function in our own when when you have genetics, you're you're working with a lot of the same thoughts, the same ways you see things, and a lot of that can be ancestral or not sure, you know, not completely understandable. So when you can dive in a little bit and talk to them, you know, about those things, it really helps to give them some clarity.

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Well, it's kind of cool. Remember growing up, we had like the cheat codes for video games. Oh, yeah. Like you would have these guides that would walk you through step by step. If you think about it, you have an opportunity to kind of be that cheat code guide in a sense. And it's like I had that with Liam just the other day. He was out on the couch and he made some comment about he's already, and he's in fifth grade. He's like, I've already had like three or four girlfriends. And I think he was saying it to be like, hey dad, like, look how cool this is. And I stopped and I go, but that's very interesting. I think I only had like three or four girlfriends my whole life. And dude, he just went silent and I could see the world, like the wheel spinning. And I thought maybe that was one of those moments by sharing that it's not a badge of honor to have a bunch of girlfriends in life. It's like actually better to have a deep, meaningful relationship that counts.

SPEAKER_01 9:53

What age is he?

SPEAKER_03 9:54

He's 11.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

11, right? Oh, dude. Three, four. Enjoy it. Enjoy it again.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

I'm like, bro, you can get to know girls and find out what you like and don't like, and they don't have to be your girlfriend.

SPEAKER_04 10:06

You know, but and just thinking to what DK said about the ancestral stuff, like we were just talking about on the ride here.

SPEAKER_03 10:12

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:13

I mean, into in the giving the cheat code of talking about your family of origin and talking about family members. Yeah you know, we we love our family, but there's a lot of traits if we're not careful, and we're aware of those traits that maybe aren't the best traits, and to have those conversations with our kids and say, like, you know, maybe Uncle So-and-so or grandpa or grandma, you know, we love them, but these are the traits, and you're open with the good and the bad. So that way you're not passing on, or they're not maybe it's skipping a generation. So if you're open to them saying, look, I don't do this, and I don't want you to carry this on and do this.

SPEAKER_03 10:49

You know what's interesting about that, and I thought about it though, it there's this fine line between I want to share like things about the family, also this I want to protect you from like knowing, I don't want you to be like, oh, that's you know, grandpa this, grandpa that, or grandma this, you know, an aunt and uncle, and then they have their opinions because of what you said. Right. But there's also this whole flip side where I don't want to be like them thinking dad was talking crap about the relatives to make himself look better. Like dad doesn't do these kind of things because dad's awesome. Meanwhile, your relatives suck.

SPEAKER_04 11:23

Yeah, but I think there's a way that you you have those those conversations because I'll use you know, I talk about my dad who's passed away, passed away before Axel was born, so he never knew my dad, but is Nana. So my ma, who is still with us, she's amazing, but she has certain things that I'm figuring out at 55. Like it wasn't the best thing to do when I was young, or even now, like some of those traits that are still there. So I'll be open with Axel and say, Hey, we love Nana. This isn't me talking shit on Nana. Yeah, but there's certain things that we grew up with and certain things that she still does that it just doesn't serve her and won't serve you if you kind of pick up those traits. So just kind of pointing those traits out, even with my brother who's older, his uncle, it's like, I'm not talking crap on Uncle Mike. I'm just saying, because he's brilliant, he's amazing, but these are some of the faults and some of the traits that if you see them, and as long as you're not choosing to do or not to do what he's kind of doing, you know what I mean, that'll help you in life. It's that cheat code that you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

And we, you know, it's there's no better example than our own family. Family skin, yeah. Yeah. And uh the example's there because again, if we show that we love them, but we also show their imperfections and what they're doing and how it's affected their lives. Yeah, it's a great example. Yeah, it can work real well in giving them some direction.

SPEAKER_04 12:41

Well, and especially if you use yourself, because I'll use myself and say, okay, so growing up in our house, like we I grew up in Detroit, and it was an Irish Italian family, mostly Italian as far as that, as far as what was in the house. And that means a lot of talking over each other, a lot of yelling. I call it passionate. My wife calls it intense. But there was a I use that one a little bit. Passionate. Yeah. No, that's yelling. It's intensity. Yeah. So there was a lot of that in the house, and Axel sees it, and then there was a lot of talking at you. So nobody was actually listening. It was waiting to say what you're gonna say. So there wasn't a conversation, and even now, like my mom is that way, my brother is that way. So I point that out to Axel because sometimes he'll do the same thing, which I was guilty of and still can be guilty of. Like where I'll just wait to come in or interrupt somebody, and I'm like, dude, what you're doing, you got to be aware of that because this is what I grew up in, and this is what I'm still struggling with, and we're trying to give you the cheat code. I gotta use that, gotta give you the cheat code for life. Are they still talking about stuff like that? Like, I don't I don't know because he doesn't play a lot of video games, so he wouldn't know what that is.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Well, and I talked about that the other day. I was like, You want to play have a play date? I said, That's a liam. You want to have a play date with one of your friends? Dad, we we don't have play dates anymore. I was like, I don't know, bro. I'm just trying to keep up.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

So are you you and your wife pretty open then with Brendan as far as the family?

SPEAKER_00 14:06

My wife is Italian and she when I married her, her her her uncles would say, No, no, no, no, no, no. She just doesn't stop talking. She goes, goes, goes.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

So yeah, sometimes you do have to wait to get the word in. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_04 14:20

You know, and I wonder if it was like that in her house, like as far as just a lot of talking at instead of talking to, because that's yeah, that's something that it took me years to realize. And it was in therapy, I think. I connected the dots, probably in my mid-30s.

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Well, this is some therapy here. You're I'm on I'm noticing something I do.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I'm waiting to get in on the conversation, waiting for her to quit talking. That's funny.

SPEAKER_04 14:41

Feel free at any time during this. You just jump in and start saying whatever. So we're good. So, how did this uh so water fusions, how did this come about?

SPEAKER_00 14:48

You know, but love for water is probably the the first start of it. I mean, I we know how essential it is to our human design, but we also see how important it is to our civilization as humans. We gotta have water, and so it kind of started there. I love water, and water truly is the most amazing delivery system of nutrition to the body. And I wanted to create a community where people can come together, drink amazing drinks, elixirs, and encourage each other, build each other up, create a place where you have that type of of uh you know connection.

SPEAKER_04 15:22

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

So I love that you just said like elixirs too, because you don't hear that word like a lot. Yeah, you know, but that used to be a very powerful thing. I'm gonna make you a healing elixir. I didn't even know that I knew the word, but I didn't know that was the origin of the word.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

So that's in in our first original setup, we had a bar around our bar, and you would come in and you would sit down, we'd talk about how you wanted to feel, and then we would build the drink based on your needs. I like it. In that moment, we got to a place where we had to pre-make the drinks because we had so many people coming to get them. But originally it was that same bar type filling and uh started out just like these guys over here, where you sit at the bar, you visit with the bartender, you're talking and hanging out and opening yourself up. So that's kind of what where it all started. And now we just created more of a space for helping people do that together. And we've there you we've seen so many great connections come through here, whether it be uh a couple that we found that matched perfectly, and whoa, you guys would be great together to business plans and you know collabs. Uh we've seen it all happen here.

SPEAKER_03 16:28

That's really cool. That's neat. There's truly like magic in that when you think about that. This concept of imagine if more businesses operated with that mind frame. Like, let's actually talk. And I'm gonna figure out based off what's going on, what we're saying, yeah, what's actually needed here. And if I can even serve you or not, maybe I can. But there's something so cool about that.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

Like feeling that energy is amazing when you see it come together. It just you know, it makes it it satisfies you at the end of the day. I mean, I walk out of here going, wow, what a great day, seeing people connect and uh be able to you know communicate. I think a lot of that has to do with uh people that are looking at really nourishing themselves. And when you're starting to nourish yourself, you want to share with others so that you feel good enough to where you you're you want to connect. You want to you want to let uh you know see what other people are doing and get to know what their processes are and how you can help them possibly. So I think it's just a huge air, you know, arena of people wanting to help each other.

SPEAKER_04 17:27

It's your cheat code, basically that you would you're like, look, I know this can benefit you, but I want to share it with you. Yeah, yeah. That's your cheat, you just want to share your cheat codes.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah, we got a lot of those here. Ray, way cool cheat codes. I love that. We we we call them biohacks, but again, it it is a cheat code in a sense because the more we learn about our internal self, the more we can show up daily being our best self. It all starts within. All the answers are within you.

SPEAKER_04 17:50

I gr I agree with you. Again, it's taken me years to figure that out, but I've come on on my own, like at this moment in the last three years, on my own like spiritual journey where I'm really starting to figure that. I mean, I knew that stuff before to an extent, because I'm s I'm really connected to nature, and that's kind of my happy place, hiking in the mountains or just being out. But now it's like I'm really delving into it, and it's like I'm figuring it out, and it's taken me a while. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 18:15

That's really cool. I mean, you said it right there. You you're I think nature is probably one of the most amazing connections to finding ourselves because it has such a similar uh ease to it, and it's such a similar harmony that we sometimes lose inside of ourselves. We lose that inner harmony and we become chaotic with all the noise of the world, you know. So nature is that true place, I believe. I love it so much. Good for you.

SPEAKER_04 18:41

You did a good job in here because we were talking like as soon as we came in, and then Thomas was like, Check this area out. This is a really neat little you utilize the space, and it just is real comfortable and chill and a good vibe. Yes, this is nice.

SPEAKER_03 18:55

Like, even this or saying this little corner back here, I was like, this has such an intimate feel and just breeds like connection, like you are here in this moment. I didn't even notice like the crystals and stuff hanging up here, but just that feeling in that nook makes me was like, I want to bring Katie here and just like sit and eye gaze and chat about life, you know what I mean? Like no, but for she keeps wanting to do that, dude. No, it's so good. Like the little kid of me comes out and and maybe a little bit of the ADHD. And I'm like, I don't know if I can sit there without laughing or doing it, which makes me realize I probably need to do it, guys.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

You know, but there's something about like we talk like connection and looking into somebody's eyes and and and being present, and that's something that I've I'm learning again last three years, like to be present, present, not just be here talking to somebody, but to be engaged with them.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

That's beautiful. I think I I feel the same. That hasn't always been my specialty or my my my main thing, but I I've learned to also be more present. And I I teach it because I think in in the present moment there is no disease. In the present moment, there is only what there is right in front of you. And where we are so much in our heads as humans, so much in our emotions, so much in the rat race. You have to be present to be able to truly come into an awareness of your own healing and what your needs are. So great on that as well. I love hearing that. You don't get to hear that a lot from people nowadays. Uh we we're everyone's go, go, go. Stress, stress, stress. But that internal tension is really where our bodies start to break down because we're sending messages from the brain to every signal inside of our bodies that there's something on the outside that's taxing us or stressing us.

SPEAKER_04 20:38

So we use the analogy of like an iPhone, because I think with technology, this is easy for people to kind of go, oh yeah. So with the iPhone, when you have all the apps open, it's draining the battery. And that's the way it used to be up like a little over three years ago for me. And it's not as much anymore. Sometimes I can literally go, okay, I feel what is it? I need to close the apps. It's like having those apps open and it sucks the energy out of you when you're thinking about other things, going back to like just being present and not worrying about all the other crap, you know, just shutting it out, be like, I don't need to think about this right now. I need to, you know, concentrate on either being with my wife or my friend or my son or my new friend. You know what I mean? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:20

Yeah. Yeah. That's that's exactly right. I mean, I use a different method, but I love the app aspect. I use circles and I will have circles of things I have to do. And I close circles every day. I try to close something. So I'm not always putting pressure on myself that I didn't get something done or I haven't completed something. So making those circles, you know, having those circles close or closing your apps is a great way.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

So DK, last time I think I was in, you and I were chatting about some of the overthinking. You know, we talk a lot about like AI and all the things that are going on because that's creating this producing environment. Every you gotta produce, you gotta do, you gotta build all Constantly, right? Yeah. And you had mentioned the fact of embracing the little kid within more. Yeah. Can you talk about that a little bit?

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Well, it's kind of really, I think, at the point where we get to a life get to a place in life where we don't want so much tension, don't want so much stress, don't want so much responsibility. And I think that's where we're all we all want that. So you have to kind of start making that happen in your own day-to-day life, being a kid, laughing more, not being over serious. Again, in my my nutritional understanding, and that is all disease starts with things like seriousness, you know. We have to laugh a little more, have to lighten up. We've learned to take things too serious. So I work on that daily too, just to keep it light and keep it fun, you know, and try to try to not make it so serious, look at things in a little lighter way. And so, yeah, that's really what it is. I mean, the more you can do that, the more again you release the tension in your body.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

I love that. And we can use AI, this is the way I look at AI. Like, I know some people are like, it's the end of us because it's just gonna be endless productivity. Like we just have to keep doing and building. I look at it as utilizing it to do some of the tedious things so it helps me get through some of the stuff so I can have more time to be more engaged. So I'm like, I've got more quality time in the day. That's how I utilize AI.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah, that's a great assistant, and it's a great way to expand your creativity. True. We're all here to create something. If you can get a little more better grasp on that creation and ideas and structure, hey, there's some amazing things that can come with AI. So for sure.

SPEAKER_04 23:35

And again, it frees up the time. Yeah, you know, because it's something that might take me a couple, few days to flush out. It can help me flush something out in like an hour. 100% 30 minutes for sure. Does your backyard like I gotta know what your backyard looks like? Because again, going back to like nature and stuff, does it does it have this kind of feel? What does it look like?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

It does just have this zone and this black rock, not together in this sequence, but uh yes, that, and then trees and plant life.

SPEAKER_04 24:01

Oh, I love it. It's really nice. This is something that like I was just sitting out this morning. I just turned the sprinklers on for the first time of the season, so that did it this morning, and thankfully nothing's broken. But I was sitting out there in the back, just kind of watching the sprinklers going, you know what? I we love our backyard, but we don't love our backyard. You know what I mean? It's kind of like and it's a lot of lawn. I need to, we we've talked about this, Thomas and I. Like, I know the zero escaping or something, but I want it to be kind of like a zen space.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Your house is your oasis. That's true. You gotta make it make it like you want it. We spend more time there than anywhere else.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

Yeah, dude. So I have a question here. All of our cups have different words on that. Where did this come from? Because this is amazing. I mean, I feel rad because of your drink and being here, but I mean, I feel aligned. Yeah, yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

You know, Luis Hay, she's my first inspiration to overcoming beliefs that aren't positive. And I did deal with some depression, a lot of it was some health-related issues. I really had to go back to the simple basics of loving myself. And it had to be one or two words that I could accept, I could understand, and deepen that gratefulness for the little things. And so I incorporate that into all the bottles. Water is a delivery system, and when you can deliver a message with that water, because we are water, you cannot resist to have that energy inside of you. I love it. And that's the focus. It's just a quick, nice belief system that can carry your day when you do have something that's weighing on you or something that's negative.

SPEAKER_04 25:30

It kind of goes right into the subconscious, like aligned, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:33

I feel aligned. There's tons of studies that show that uh water obviously is a carrier or a charging system. Um, crystals are very similar to that. And uh Dr. Emoto, and there's been some other work at Stanford that talks about that. But yeah, it's it's just a quick method way to give yourself a positive boost in the day.

SPEAKER_04 25:51

What is it that I'm this is the DK?

SPEAKER_00 25:53

It is the DK, yes.

SPEAKER_04 25:54

This is fire, yeah. What is it every time I come in? It's incredible.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

It's a kind of a version of the bulletproof coffee, but done with yerba mate. Okay. And in that yerba mate, you've got Ashwagwanda, calm the nervous system, because we want to take away the edge. But that boost of energy is gonna strengthen your body and give you a boost of energy in your body. It has a gorana seed, a little bit of green tea in addition to the yerba mate, B vitamins. We put some coconut fat in there as a binder um for the brain. Let's see what else, a little bit of honey. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

Some green alcohols. Yeah. Are you looking to scale this? Because this is something that we've been talking about, like just with life and kind of where we are as dads, as friends, as husbands. It's like I'm like the stuff that I go into now is so intentional. Like I ask myself, why am I doing this? So, what what is it for you? Like, what are you looking to do with water fusion? Are you cool with this? Are you looking to scale it?

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Or yes, actually, we are looking to scale, really looking to help more people. You know, right now we depend on what walks by here, but really our focus to the next level is online. We can now use our technology where we can measure and scan a photograph of the face and use that energy feedback from the patterns and how we use energy as humans to give people back the data on how they're using energy. And when you start looking at how you can use energy in a more efficient way, it just makes you more optimal all all around every day. And that's really where we're headed. We really want to help more people get optimal. And it all comes with these biohacks of awareness. And so we look at the body in a unique way. We look at the body three ways in which it uses energy physically, mentally, and emotionally. And we take those and we start to reconcile those deficiencies with what the body's missing. And the body tells you what it's missing, not only in that physical aspect, but it's emotional. If there's something there that's taking energy that you've been taught from your conditioning, that we can reprocess that energy, renourish it, and strengthen us to a state where we move from that place and teach you to listen to it. Change and become. Epigenetics is the impact of the environment and how you perceive the environment to what happens on the inside of your body because your body only sees and understands what it knows. But as we start to be aware of these inner areas that are deficient or depleted or need nourishing, we start to reconcile those uh energies and we start to change, and that's called morphogenetics. We change and become what we want to be. You're you're in the perfect uh machine to do what you want it to do. You just have to get the right fuels in it to make it work correctly. Everything inside of us is chemical and hormonal, and most people don't realize that. And to activate that correctly, you have to be nourished correctly. It's it's it's it's an activation uh to some degree. And you can go around guessing most of your life on what your body needs, but this technology gives you precisely what you need to keep the body in an optimal state and grow in a way where you're able to evolve. And you know, anything that ever evolved before was only noticed by again a cheat sheet, a code, an example, something that they were disliking that made them want to change. And this is the perfect technology for that.

SPEAKER_04 29:09

I love it. And I can tell what you do and what you've done feeds your soul. I mean, I can see that and feel that, right? We're we're feeling this as if we're talking to you. What else do you do that feeds your soul?

SPEAKER_00 29:21

And whenever I can be around cool people, and you know, it doesn't have to be cool, they can just be people. Yeah, and just to see them want to change or share or you know, grow makes me excited. And then outside of that, I love nature. I'm like you, Frankie. I'm out nature to this morning. I woke up at 6 30, I'm out on a mountain bike ride. Oh, you know, I I love being outside connecting, and I do a lot of barefoot walking, I do coal plunging. It's more in nature. I was just at the Green River this weekend, I just dipped in there and spent some time in the cold water. I I love to, you know, connect into nature.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Amazing. No, I'm wearing this our Masogi shirt. Yeah, so so we were basically I don't know where the concept came up. I oh, I do. So Jesse Itzler. Do you know Jesse Itzler? Anyway, sounds familiar. Yeah, online. He talks about how to optimize your life resume. It's not about your work resume, it's your life. Build your life. And he would talk about this Masogi. So I looked it up and I was like, oh, it's a Japanese philosophy on push yourself to one major goal, one major adventure or something a year that defines that year for you. So you can always look back and be like, well, in 2025, which we'll talk about, we created this Masogi. So Frankie and I were sitting there and we're like, what are we gonna do? And we're like, let's go to where we're we were gonna go to Switzerland, Finland, Finland at first.

SPEAKER_04 30:45

Yeah, we were gonna go to Finland, and so my wife and I, we box a couple of days a week, and our boxing instructor coach, I told him about this, and his girlfriend is from Finland, and he just got back visiting her family. And I said, This is what we're looking to do, my buddy and I. And he was like, Don't do that. You're gonna spend a lot of money, take a lot of time to travel. He said, Here's what you do. Because I lived in northern Minnesota for years. There's a lot of Scandinavian towns in northern Minnesota. He said, Pick one and you'll get the same experience. You'll save time and money, and that's exactly what we did. We were at a coffee shop. And we just were like, let's book it right now. We we and I think we even had AI help us kind of find something. The first thing that we found, this lodge on northern Lake Superior. So we flew into Minneapolis, took another plane to Duluth, then took a car to this little town called Twin Harbors. And as soon as we got there, dude, it was like it was like we were supposed to be there.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Well, that's cool.

SPEAKER_04 31:41

And we spent we we got in on a Wednesday, left on a Saturday morning. Yes, and we they had like a little sauna that was about 40 feet from Lake Superior, just a little house, little sauna house. We did that, we'd cold plunge, we'd go back and forth, and it was this system reboot. It felt like everything there was aware of us, like the trees and the water at Lake Superior. It felt like we were welcomed there.

SPEAKER_03 32:07

So the whole experience was based off of that. We wanted to sauna and cold plunge, but we wanted extreme, so we'd both have done it before, you know. We have the tubs and we've gotten in the creek and do all that, but we were like, we just want to go the whole intention is to be here and connect in nature, and it's like this is one of the coldest lakes, right? And it's just we get there at night and we're like, should we do it? Should we not? I mean, it's it's pitch dark, the moon's out, right? And we get in this lake, and the waves are like, I mean, it's going, like they're they're smacking up against crazy, not crazy, but it was like almost playing with us, yeah, or like almost like, hey guys, thanks for being here. Like, I know you respect me, and because of the fact that you're here, I want to give you a good time. And it was just like right out the gate.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Yeah, it was like an awareness. It's amazing. It was like it was all aware that we were there. Like, we didn't know, we didn't look at reviews, we're like, we'll choose this lodge. It was almost like this place was calling us.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Glad to share you shared. I would have knew that just by the shirt.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

Yeah, the Masogi. That's cool. Masogi. So it's like each year now we've been talking about it. Like, what are you gonna what are we gonna do for the Masogi this year? You know, and just go out and do that because again, we'll always look at 2025 and be like, that was such a cool experience.

SPEAKER_04 33:27

Personally, I look at okay, so that week, my late mother-in-law, so my wife Tammy's mom, she was diagnosed like the February prior with several cancers. And she was giving given from the doctors, they said, we can give you with the chemo and the treatment, we can give you a couple, I think she's they said a couple few more years of of life. And that week that we left, she went into the hospital for something. It was like uh it wasn't anything that was detrimental. And I remember my wife saying, you know, go, she's gonna be okay. So she went in, and then it was that Saturday morning when we were getting ready to come back, something happened where she got an infection. That was Saturday morning, Sunday afternoon at like 1 45 p.m., she passed away. It was so quick. So we're like rushing to get home, getting there as soon as we could. And I felt like that was Mother Nature's way of helping me personally kind of gear up for what was to come, just a lot of heavy energy, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It was amazing though. I mean, it truly was.

SPEAKER_03 34:24

Yeah, it was so amazing, dude. And just the way that everything just kept unfolding, the people we'd meet in this sauna, which this thing would crank, dude. Like 180 degrees. 180, 90. There was at one moment this other gentleman that was in here, he had the thing going so intense that like you you had to take your shirt, put it over your face because it was like almost burning you, and it was it was burning, it was burning, like burn your lungs. Like we that's warm. Yeah, it was then we'd go get in the lake. People are sitting kind of like this by it, excuse me, and they're in like jackets, pants, boots, and we're walking over in board shorts and getting in the lake, and they're just like, What is happening? I mean, obviously, the people that work at the facility are used to seeing this, but as a guest, because the the stay, the place that we were even in, was just so nice, it just had like this awesome vibe, so it's like very family friendly, and the looks were like like what are they doing? Yeah, what it you guys are doing that on purpose? Like we're connected with nature, man. Yeah, we're getting into the lake. And then like 12 minutes and stuff, we were in the lake for a moment for a long time. Yeah, you know, and you're just floating there and you're looking back at trees, and it was just like, what is going on? This is amazing. Sounds beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 35:41

It goes back to the start of the conversation. It was like we once you just get like to a point where you surrender, like you know you're gonna be okay, then everything just kind of clicked. Yeah, like it's all right. And you're just literally there in the moment, taking it in, just looking and connecting with everything around you, and ultimately it makes your body feel amazing.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful. Nothing that feels so good when your body feels aligned. Obviously, we felt the opposite, disconnected, agitated in our bodies, stressed. But when you do something like that for yourself, it makes you want to continue to feel that way, right? So it's beautiful when we give our bodies chalk it with some good nourishment. Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

And it's all around us. That's the beauty of nature. It's like even if you live I mean, even if you live in a city, like if you're listening to this and it's a lot of cement around you, you can find it, might take a little bit of work, but you can find nature. Nature's around, it's closer than you think.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

Yeah, yeah. There's especially here in Utah, there's trails everywhere and parks. There's lots of good things if you don't want to get up into the big mountains.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

Yeah. One thing I wanted to ask you, because you talked about taking your shoes off. And like, do you hike and stuff with your shoes off?

SPEAKER_00 36:46

Yeah, I'll do I'll do a like a half hike with shoes off and the other half with shoes on.

SPEAKER_03 36:50

So I love that so much. Like I dig that. Like I make the joke I would never wear shoes if I didn't have to. Yeah. You know, and Katie will be like, put your shoes.

SPEAKER_00 37:00

You know, because you can't go as fast. Yes. You know, so you have to, you know, you're out of that control. You gotta just bear and grenade.

SPEAKER_04 37:06

I love it. I've been taking my boots off lately with uh my hikes, like wherever I get to, and you know, I'm sitting and having an apple or some oranges, and I'll take the shoes off and do that, the grounding. But I think I'm gonna start because I've noticed some hikers when I go by and they're wear not wearing shoes. I'm like, good for you. Good for you for grounding, like to the next level.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Yeah, we're always in these rubber things. I see you guys take your shoes off here. It's a good thing. Is that okay? Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 37:28

Still in my socks, though. That's what we really want you to do. Is relax.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Yeah. I th I think that we need to do a hike, the three of us, and take our shoes off. That would be amazing. That would be great.

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

So do you have any favorite hikes around here?

SPEAKER_00 37:40

I think I do, just real close. Uh behind the Museum of Natural History is a great hike early in the morning. That is a good hike. Is that where you live in that that part? I live near. So it's a quick little getaway. Neffs is amazing too. Oh, I like Nefs. Neff's is like this cool like mystery trail. Which one am I gonna take today? Where will it take me? Yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

I do Olympus a lot, like because we just live not far from it, but I'll do the loop, you know. Like if I just have a little bit of time, I'll go kind of up and around and then come back around. Nice. Yeah, yeah. We definitely have to do a hike. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Let's do that. This has been a great conversation. This is so good. For sure. I knew it would be. As soon as he walked in, I was like, This is gonna be good. Yeah, you guys. I can feel it. Yeah, so we'll put all your information within the podcast description. Yeah. And uh let's talk June 13th. Are you gonna be able to come June 13th to Mill Hollow Park or no? I'd love to. We're doing a dad hood.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

That sounds great. Where's this park again?

SPEAKER_04 38:31

Uh it's Mill Hollow Park. It's in Cottonwood Heights. And let's see, it's uh do you know where that coffee and cocoa place is, where the Zions used to be?

SPEAKER_03 38:39

There's a I think a Market Street is like right down the street. Exactly where that's up. It's just in the neighborhood right above that. Yeah, okay. And I think you were talking at one point, we're gonna have some some giveaways from water fusion too there at part of the opportunity drawing. That's great. And it's like, come do that because I'm I am, I'm feeling pretty rad right now. Yeah, with this drink, like this, I feel good. The energy, the vibe. If if you haven't stopped in here and checked it out, like do it if you're in the Salt Lake area.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

We would love to have you. And you know, our whole purpose here is to make you feel amazing, but we also make everything taste good. So the inner child inside you smiles and goes, Well, that's great. And so if you can do that, it makes the nutrition much funner. That's cool. That's so good.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

And follow them on social. So water fusion, Instagram, you guys are on Facebook. Uh again, we'll link up all that stuff within the podcast description. So this is uh this is a fun conversation, man.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Thanks, DK.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

It's awesome. Make sure to check out the Dad Hood Podcast on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. That's right. We'll talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

All right.