Create Opportunities: The Mindset Every Dad Needs to Succeed

Most people wait for opportunities.

The dads who build meaningful lives learn how to create them.

In this episode of DADHOOD, Thomas and Frankie dive into one of the biggest mindset shifts that has shaped both of their lives—creating opportunities instead of waiting for them to appear.

Thomas shares the incredible story of how relentless persistence, creative thinking, and refusing to accept "no" launched his radio career. From mailing fake hands and shoes with his résumé to flying across the country for a chance at an interview, it's a powerful reminder that success often belongs to those willing to take the first step.

The conversation expands beyond careers into fatherhood, raising confident kids, celebrating wins, overcoming self-doubt, and teaching our children that growth comes from action—not waiting for permission.

In this episode, we discuss:

•  Why no one is coming to create opportunities for you 
•  How persistence can change the course of your life 
•  Teaching kids to be proactive instead of passive 
•  Creating opportunities in sports, careers, and relationships 
•  Why rejection is part of the journey 
•  Celebrating your wins instead of rushing to the next goal 
•  Helping the next generation build confidence through action 

Whether you're chasing a dream, navigating fatherhood, or looking for the courage to take your next step, this episode is a reminder that the life you want starts with the opportunities you're willing to create.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Yo, how you doing? Good, buddy. How are you? Doing great. Welcome to Dadhood. My name is Frankie. And I'm Thomas. And uh we're doing it live from actually recording live from the Kiln space. So we're in the podcast space over at Kiln in Holiday. Yeah. This is a really, really cool place. If you've never heard of Kiln, uh they offer coworker uh that's co-working, private offices, meeting rooms, event spaces. They've got podcast facilities here at Kiln.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Yeah, tons of like meeting rooms, open this open form concept where you can just go and sit anywhere and just kind of work is nice because you're gonna run into people like us, just creative people that are doing their things, building their companies, and just common themes, right?

SPEAKER_01 0:40

And we're social creatures. We talk about that. And even if you're an introvert, I mean you need interaction. Absolutely. And I think this is the perfect the way they design this and just the way the vibe is. It's not like everybody's walking up, like, hey, what's up? What do you do? The way it's designed, like with the coffee stations, and they've got things they put out like you know, fruit and stuff like that in the morning. You can just say hi to somebody.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

And that could be it. Or it could lead into a little conversation, what do you do? Or if you see somebody kind of like on Thursdays, or when you come on Tuesdays or Wednesdays, whenever it is, you cultivate a relationship. And that's the way relationships, I think, good ones start.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

I think uh Kiln is creating the new version of what people used to say about golf courses. These are the kind of places now that people are genuinely doing business. That's what they're here for. They're working on something, either their own or for a larger corporation, but you meet other people in the similar space and you just get to foster and who knows what collaborations come from that, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:39

You know, and one of the things I wanted to talk about today, and we'll get into that, but it's uh it's creating opportunity. If you look at it that way, and what kiln has created, in a sense, you're creating an opportunity. So whatever it is that you do, let's say that you know that there's a certain, I don't know, maybe business or industry that's at one of the kilns. If you're interested in maybe working with them, getting to know them, why wouldn't you let's look into getting uh, you know, a meeting room or private office or just a membership so I can be there and create an opportunity that I wouldn't otherwise be able to do.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

Absolutely. You know, um my buddy Adam goes to a kiln in Arizona and he kept mentioning it like for a while, like, hey man, I really think you should get a membership here while you guys are scaling out dadhood and building this up. And I didn't understand at first, and then he hit me with something that really made sense. He's like, No one is coming to your house to create an opportunity. There you go. But you're here and you're surrounded with other people that are looking for opportunities, there's where it can hit, right? I love it.

SPEAKER_01 2:48

I would love to to kind of delve into the creating opportunities a little bit more, and this is a conversation that I I have with our little boy Axel, and I just had it recently, and there's a story that uh that I've told him, and there were several in my career that I did, but one that sticks out. I've talked about this before, you know, starting off in radio, I graduated high school in 1989, a suburb of Detroit. I went right to this broadcasting school in Detroit, and I knew at that moment when I got out of high school, started this broadcasting thing, I knew that I had a lot of challenges in front of me because I was not the kid in high school that could get up in front of the class. If I had to read aloud, it took everything and I was petrified and it just was hard for me.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

So it was something though that was deep inside me from like 14 or 15. I'm like, I want to go into this career, but when it came down to like brass tacks and going into this direction and into broadcasting school, I'm like, I'm gonna have to break down some pretty personal, break down these walls if I want to do anything with this career. So I knew that going in. So I felt like as I was doing this, I'm sending out tapes and resumes. Yeah, no one's coming to you. No, no, and nothing's coming back, even at that point. Nothing. Sure. I mean, I I still have these form letters that I kept over the years, and there's tons of them. And I'm gonna when I'm talking sending out tapes and resumes, I sent them everywhere, including like Alaska. I was willing to go anywhere to get this career started.

SPEAKER_00 4:13

Was there like an index like somewhere where you could go that it was like, here's where all the stations, or were you just like how then were you looking it up? It's very different than now, just Googling.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

It's it's a there's a couple of industry magazines, trade magazines, and one was called Radio and Records.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

And it's still around, but this was like at the time the gospel of the industry. And I would basically go to this, this is called Dearborn Music outside of Detroit. This it was a bookstore and a music store, and they were one of the few, if the only, I think the only one that I knew about that carried radio and records. I mean, how weird. Unless you're in the industry, you're not gonna read this magazine. So I would go get that every week when it came out, and I would look in the classified, and there would be radio stations all around the country saying, We're looking for overnights, we're looking for middays, we're looking for whatever. And here I'm I'm still in broadcasting school and I'm sending out tapes and resumes, and again, I have to create my own opportunity. I've had these conversations with Axel. Like I would, I would send out like I would go to the like a prop store, I don't even know like a places like a like a Halloween shop kind of place or something that would sell like uh an arm, you know what I mean, that you could put in your trunk and kind of you know like a prop arm. And I would put that in a box with a tape and resume in the hand, and I would say I'd give my it'd be like a right arm. I'd give my right arm to work for you. No way.

SPEAKER_00 5:32

I love this.

SPEAKER_01 5:33

And I also had another one where I would buy a cheap pair of shoes and I would send the the shoe in a shoe box with the tape and resume in the shoe and say, I would give anything to get my foot in the door. I mean, I was doing stuff like this.

SPEAKER_00 5:44

Yes, dude.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

But I was not getting anything back. And this is early, again, I'm in broadcasting school. I have zero experience. Even when I got out of broadcasting school, I was so green and so just trying to get better, but I sucked. I mean, I sucked. So I knew that for me to get anywhere in this business, I'm gonna have to pull like some gimmicks to at least get a conversation. I remember there was a woman, her name is Lynn Casey. She was the program director at uh W I O T in Toledo. Toledo to Detroit is about 40, it's about 40 minutes away. And this was a flamethrowing AOR rock station that I would listen to that got into like the Detroit suburbs. It was FM, what was it? 100 104.5 W I O T, something something like that. It was a re just a great station. It sounded like a major market station. Sure. Toledo, for the people that don't know, is uh is a medium market. Uh Detroit is a is a major market. Sure. And it bled into Detroit and did really well, uh, but primarily it was Toledo. And I sent, you know, tape and resume there. She was one of the few, actually, probably at the time, the only person that took my call because I would follow up.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

I would call for the program director, nobody would take my call. I would, I would get, if I was lucky, I would get form letters back. And it was just basically a form letter. Sorry, the position's been filled, blah, blah, blah, blah. It wasn't anything personalized, anything like that. But she was one person at that time that took my call. She was so what she said to me, and whether she whether it was true or not, it stuck with me and it's what I needed to hear. She was saying, hey, here's the here's the thing. You're taping resume. And I remember her saying this, you're you're cream of the crop. You're cream of the crop. You sound really good, but we don't have anything. I think it was either we don't have anything or you don't have the experience to, you know, but just keep I remember her saying though, keep going. Wow. Just keep going. Because you sound really, really good, and you're definitely cream of the crop of what we and and I was like, thank you so much for taking my call. And again, I'm just so wet behind the ears and so young and hungry. Eager. You're just like, I just need in, man. I've had these conversations with Axel, where I'm like, but I'm creating the opportunity. I'm going after it. Because to speak to your point with Adam, what he said, nobody's coming to me.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

No.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

Right? And I wasn't getting anything coming back. Like I said, I didn't have anybody taking my call. So then, fast forward like a few years into my career, so I started like 8990s when I went to broadcasting school, and then I officially started in radio in 1990, and that is, you know, small little itty bitty, just running a board on a sports station overnight or during the day and stuff. But it was a little itty bitty sports station in Ann Arbor. Um, the guy who owned Domino's Tom Monahan, he actually owned a couple of radio stations. So I was lucky enough to do, and again, it was nothing. I was just running, I was running programming. So basically making sure that it went into the commercials. I do like a 10-second legal ID at the top of the hour. That was the only on-air part of that job. I'd be running like a Detroit Tigers game or a Red Wings game, uh, that kind of thing. And then that led into actually jocking and being on the air, you know, in between programming.

SPEAKER_00 8:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:48

And then I was on the FM part of the station. That was where I started. I was I was an intern, a paid intern, which at the time to have any kind of pay for an internship, and it would just cover my gas from Detroit to Ann Arbor, which is great. But I do call out research where I'd literally call people on the white pages and be like, Hi, my name is Tony Corgan, and I'm with, you know, W what was it, W something M I can't remember what it was, that the call letters. But then I would have like they wanted to do research, and then I would say, Would you have a couple of minutes where I can ask you some questions? And most of the people would hang up on me. Sure. There'd be one or two people that were lonely, and then they let me ask these questions. But that's kind of where I got my start. And then that led into like overnights and this little farming town outside of Detroit. You fast forward to about 1993. I was down in Florida in Fort Myers until about 93. I ended up, I think I told you this. I I did all the shifts, right? I was doing all the stuff, overnights and swing and and middays, and just wherever they needed me, I was I was that guy. And then I hit like where I got the late night gig and then I got the night gig, but I still wasn't making anything. I was working a couple of other jobs, I was searching land titles, I was a secret shopper for Kelly Temporary Services for Home Depot. Okay. So I was like, just whatever I could do to make some extra cash. And then I had roommates on top of that.

SPEAKER_00 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

So I was really just trying to get the career going. And then I remember having a conversation with my program program director down there in Fort Myers, and I said, I need to make $13,000 for a base. And I was making like $10,500, I think, when it was all said and done. And he's like, We can't, we can't do that. You know, we can't go up to 13. Yeah. I was like, okay, well, I gotta, I gotta quit because again, I have to create my own opportunity. If I'm staying there, I'm gonna be stagnant, I'm not going anywhere. And so in my mind, and of course you're younger and you just want things to happen, yeah, but you have to create these opportunities. So I ended up quitting there, went up to Detroit, back home for about a month, and was talking to a friend who was the program director of the radio station. It was a country station, WYCD in Detroit, and he offered me part-time in Detroit, and that was a great station. He's a great guy, and but I remember thinking where I'm going, I can't do part-time in Detroit because I need to be doing full-time somewhere else in a small market so I can eventually, and this was in my mindset at the time when I'm young, I want to do like mornings in a major market. Yes. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get there doing part-time, and it was nothing against that. I was just like, I had this path in my mind of where I wanted to go. Sure. So I said, you know, like uh, I said, right now I think I'm gonna decline on that. And then I had a buddy down in Fort Myers who actually just texted me a second ago. He reached out and I worked with him down there in Fort Myers at the radio station. He said, The big ape in Jacksonville, W-A-P-E. And and for people that don't know, in the industry, it's a legendary station in Jacksonville, Florida, and there's a lot of history behind it. And it's just one of those, like, what? He goes, There's an overnight slash morning show producer gig open. He goes, I think you would be perfect for it. And I said, Dude, I don't have the experience for that. And he's like, I got a funny feeling about it. You should send a tape tape and resume. So I did. And the program director took my call, but I remember him taking my call and he was very nice. He said, We just listened to your tape, and actually the production director, Matt Ray, popped in from the hallway and said, He sounds really good. And he said that to me, and I said, Oh, that's great. And I'm thinking, this conversation's going, it's going where I want it to go. And then he said, But buddy, this is the South. This is the South. Fort Myers is people that are from the Midwest. Those are the people that are in Southwest Florida where I worked. He goes, This isn't Fort Myers. He said, This is Jacksonville. People in the South don't like Yankees. This is what he said to me. And I remember thinking, Holy shit, this is not going like I thought it was starting off in my favor, and then now it, and he's like, buddy, they don't like damn Yankees here. And he started shutting me down, and I said, and I started to kind of like not panic, but You're like, Oh my gosh, I gotta do something right now.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

Something has to happen.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

And I said to him, I said, at least let me meet you. And I said, Here's here's the thing. I said, and he knew that I worked in Fort Myers because he had my resume. And I said, I'm getting ready to go down and meet my buddy Jim and hang out down there for the week. Yeah. I said, let me make the five-hour drive from Fort Myers to Jacksonville to at least meet you. And he stopped for a second and he said, If you're coming down there for that, then I'll I'll meet you on Monday morning. If you and he said, Now I'll put you guys up at the Comfort Inn Hotel on Jack's Beach on Sunday night. And he said, Okay, then I'll I'll get in touch and and we'll book a room and then I'll see you on Monday. I hung up the phone. Okay, so I'm 23 at this point.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

I've never flown in my life. I didn't have a flight booked. I pick up the phone, and I think it was Frontier Airlines, one of the charter airlines. I booked my very first flight from Detroit to Fort Myers. It was like 145 bucks.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Which was probably like a lot at that time. You're like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

I didn't have, I mean, other than you know, like, thank God my mom and dad still, you know, they had my room and they're like, you can come and hang here until whatever else pans out. So I had nothing. I mean, I had a little money, but pretty much nothing. So I booked the flight, called Jim. I'm like, dude, can I stay with you for and he's like, absolutely. So go down, visit him. We make the drive Sunday night, next Monday morning, I go and meet him. The interview goes great, right? And then I go home or back to Jim's house, and I'm sleeping on his bedroom floor, and he's living with his parents at that time. One day goes by, nothing. Oh my god. Because I'm waiting, because now they have that number. Like, here's where I'm gonna be at Jim's.

SPEAKER_00 14:06

This is a long these days drag out because you're just like, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

I'd get up and I'd be like, you know, Mr. Sharp, did anybody anybody call? And no, and it was towards the end of the week, and we're we're still kind of, you know, he's in bed, I'm laying on the floor, so it's kind of early in the morning, and all of a sudden she knocks on the door and she's like, Frank, Frank? And I said, Yeah. She goes, There's a phone call for you. And I was like, Oh, it's gotta be. It's either my parents or this guy, the program director from the big A. I get on the phone with him and he's like, Hey buddy, how you doing? I said, I'm doing good. And I could tell from the inflection, I'm like, This is this is going. And he goes, Congratulations, you got the job. And and then we started talking about all the things from there. But that's the story that I just told Axel. I mean, I've told him several, but I tell him those little things like you got to create opportunities. You can't just sit back and wait for things to happen. Yeah, because you're gonna have like all the no's, or I would have taken a no, the all the just ghosting that I'm nobody let me know. And you know, and it's like, okay, then I'm on to the next thing. Yeah. You know, I'm not gonna let that stop me. But that's the thing. So I had that conversation, it was right before his last hockey game a couple few Saturdays ago. So he's kind of done for the summer and then he's gonna start back up in the fall. I just said to him, I said, you know, the creating the opportunity is the conversation I had, and you know, the Jacksonville story, and and it applies to everything in life. I said, but think about that when you're out there on the ice, you gotta create the opportunity. Don't wait for the puck to come to you. You know, I said, and it's not just about scoring goals, it's about creating an opportunity that you can help a teammate where you get a pass and then you're passing it to the guy that can score, that you're a part of that equation, you're part of that opportunity. And that conversation that we had before the game, and that last game that he played on that Saturday, was the best game that he's had. Uh, not just this season, but I think going back to last season, I I I as I look at everything, and Tammy and I were just like, where was this all season? And he didn't score a goal, but he got he got an assist. He had about three to four shots on goal, and then he created all these other opportunities. And just the some of the things he stopped some shots, he threw himself literally on the puck. He had one where he was going down, and he and you know, one of the opposing players had the puck, and he went as he went down like this, he swept over with a stick and he was able to get that puck away from nice dude. So he had all these like where it just wasn't happening before.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

So the point was though, like you gotta create those opportunities and how it applies and how applicable it is with life. Yes, you can't sit back and wait for the puck to come to you.

SPEAKER_00 16:29

Dude, really quick, because you were chatting about this experience, and I was just locked in. The moment you got or received that phone call and you hung up, how did you feel?

SPEAKER_01 16:39

Oh, exhilarated, jumping up and down. Yes, dude. And it was neat because from the moment like I remember when my buddy Jim called me from Fort Myers to Detroit and said, Hey, the big ape has an overnight slash morning show producer gig open. I didn't shut him down, but I was like, dude, I don't have experience for that. That's the big ape. That's W-A-P-E, and it's a station that we all looked up to, right? And he said, I just have a feeling, man. I got a feeling about this. Yeah, when it all came to fruition, it was I felt like I don't know, just like, you know, you being young and you're going after something. And it and that was the first time that I could live on my own. I remember having the conversation with my dad because he was like, you know, I felt like a loser when I moved back, and I'll never forget this. When I made that drive, which by the way, Fort Myers to Detroit, gosh, I think it's like 60, I might be off a little bit, but 1600, 1700 miles is that, or maybe it's like 1300 miles. It's a it's a haul. Sure. I drove in my little Ford Festiva, packed with all my shit, which was sad. It all fit in that little festiva. That's okay. Right? So when I moved back home, my dad was waiting up for me. I made that that trek. I didn't stop. I I went nonstop with Mountain Dew and sandwiches, but my dad was waiting up in the middle of the night. I remember the garage door opened as I'm, you know, and this is before cell phones. So I m probably called him somewhere in like Cincinnati, you know, five hours away saying, This is where I am, I'll be home roughly at this time. And he waited up for me. And the garage doors open, and I remember pulling in and I felt like a loser because I felt like I felt like I had not given up because I I quit that job. I didn't have anything. I quit the job and I was like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I know I couldn't stay there and I had to create this opportunity. Yes. But I said to him, I'm like, isn't it sad that I've got everything I own in this little Ford Festiva? And he said, It's not sad. He said, if you were my age and you had everything you owned in that little festiva, that would be sad. That whole time of my life was the only reason I think I succeeded in that business is because I went after it. I created those opportunities because I wasn't like a lot of the people that I worked with that have this natural talent. You know, like when you meet somebody, you're like, holy shit, man, that's I wish I were that talented.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Like they in there, they were the ones that maybe, I mean, I don't know, like with you never know what's going on behind closed doors, but I'm sure they had a lot of people coming to them. I didn't have anybody coming to me until later in the career. Then I started having people like, oh, we've heard about, you know, do you want this? We're talking about maybe in Atlanta. And it's like, nope, we're happy here in Salt Lake City. So that happened, I guess, eventually down the line. But starting off, you got to create those moments.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Sure. But there are a lot of people that have like incredible raw talent with zero drive, yeah, that are just assuming people are going to come to them.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

Or not. Or they're not even not going to be able to do that. They're not creating that opportunity, Frankie. They're they're just I mean, they're not even assuming they're just like not doing anything with it. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, I could do that. Yeah. And it's like, dude, you have it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

You have it. You have the thing that That's my brother, I think. Uh, not that he has zero drive, but his drive and my drive definitely different. But he's brilliant. And and he's not one that's like, yeah, I could do that. He's one that, like, well, you know, he doubts himself and he's got that confidence part of it that we all have. Like, you know, but his is like next level where he just doubts everything. And I remember having conversations when I was in Jacksonville and I'd visit him in Manhattan, and he let me read something one one time. It was like a manuscript that he was working on. I can't remember what it was. It was either a book or it was for like a screenplay. It was a screenplay. And I read it and I was like, dude, you have to do even I said, even if nothing comes from this, you have to do this because that'll open up other doors. And I just remember like you and I said to him, You're gonna have so many people that either say no or you're not gonna hear anything from them.

SPEAKER_00 20:32

He needed to do what you were doing, though, back then, go to everybody with it. Yeah. And just be willing to get door in the face, yeah. Make something happen because that's it.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

Mark was it, Mark Rober? Mm-hmm. Is that his name? Robert? Yeah. Axel's a big fan of him. He's so great. And I love and Crunch Labs. Yes, I love that. And and going back to a conversation that we had as far as when you were talking about if you want your boys to learn something and you see something on Instagram and you have them watch it because the message is going to resonate with something like that more so than it would with us. And I do the same thing with Axel. And and one of them is uh I saw this message or this post from Mark was talking about, I think he was on with Mel Robbins.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:12

He was talking about the way he looks at life is how you cross a stream when there's rocks in the stream, and he said, and you step on one rock and then you go to the next rock, and you're like, you don't know where you're going. You're putting one foot in front of the other. Yes. He said, because that's creating an opportunity. And it's a message he was trying to get to younger people, like just think of that like life crossing that stream, and you're not overthinking it. One foot in front of the next, and it creates opportunities. You never know what's going to come after making this step to this step.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Well, it's that energetic momentum. Because we don't understand how many elements are taking place after the action we took. You don't realize how many people are having the conversation about that tape you sent in after you had already sent it. They might not have reached out to you, but that could have been oh, I listened to it in some somehow than you know, I played it for a friend. Yeah, you don't know what's happening. There's so much taking place once you start moving forward. There's so many elements that start moving with you. Yeah. You just don't see them.

SPEAKER_01 22:13

That's that universe thing.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

That's like the whole thing. We don't see it, but it's happening.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

It's happening. It's the energy that you're putting out there and the things that come from it.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

One thing that really got me because when you talked about you jumped up and down, and and I could feel it. It's a palpable energy. Like it's so infectious. And then we have the episode where we talk about we can't even celebrate our wins now. Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Yeah. What happened from there to this point?

SPEAKER_00 22:35

You know, like is it because then we were so hungry to be something, to achieve something. And then once you get to a certain level where you have achieved multiple things, yeah, the hunger's just not there. So then that excitement doesn't equal to the results.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Yeah, that could be. I I saw a post, I can't remember exactly what it said, but it talked about that. Like, just remember this is the life that you wanted. Yes. I try to think about that from time to time when I am in those modes of what we were talking about before. Like, why can't I give myself credit for certain achievements? Why can't I pat myself on the back or really get excited about something? Not that I didn't pat myself on the back, but that's the extent of it. Yeah, yeah. I was like, Yeah. But why can't we get to that excitement? So I I don't know what that is, but I do try to think of that post. Just remember the life that you're living is the life that you always wanted. So why can't we enjoy where we are and celebrate what we've done? And of course there's and I hate the word failure, I I like to say lessons because that I think it's all about just kind of changing the framing of that. Because they're not failures, they're just they're lessons. It's just all part of it.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah. Dude, I love this so much. This has been awesome, dude. I I hope that people are listening if they're like, Man, I just so badly want to do something, whatever that is. Maybe it's a hobby, maybe it's a career shift, maybe it's something with your kids, whatever it is. But just oh man, just go out there and create that opportunity because again, no one's gonna bring it to you. And it could be that thing that brings that spark back. It could be that thing, and even if it doesn't have the same weight, it could be that thing that you're like, this is the exact life that I've always wanted to live. Think back so good, dude.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

I love that, like where we're at right now talking about this. Think back when you were in your early twenties and you were striving for something, and then where you are now, dude, it's incredible because what we have done, oh, it's amazing, and we need to again give her and celebrate it and and truly celebrate it. Yeah, not just celebrate it for the moment and then on to the next thought or the next thing. Yeah. And I know that's easier said than done because that's something that we're both, I think, struggling with on a certain level. Totally. But think about I think what maybe would make that easier to get to that point, that excitement, because I definitely appreciate it. Maybe that appreciation is going back to when we were young. That's what we wanted.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Is this this is it, dude. It was exactly what we wanted. It was so funny. While you were saying that, for some reason and I had the whole body chills, dude. I envisioned you and I in our 20s just standing outside of this glass partition here, jumping up and down to me, like, let's go. Like, look what they're doing. Like, let's go. Isn't that cool? And it just is, yeah, I'm I'm so excited to be here, to be with you and just building this out together, man. It's it's it's a dream. I wake up every day, I feel like I'm living a dream, so it's it's good, dude.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

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