Krystel Clear
In this podcast you will experience my unique approach to healing, happiness and following my souls purpose. My intention is to provide a platform that aims to guide and support individuals on their journey towards personal growth, inner healing, spiritual enlightenment or just taking the right steps to reach your highest potential!
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Krystel Clear
The Art of Authentic Healing Pt 2 with Lisa Klein
Crystal welcomes back Lisa Klein for a deep dive into the concept of "performance healing" and how social media impacts our authentic healing journeys. We explore why sharing vulnerable moments online can sometimes hinder real growth and discuss the ebbs and flows of true healing.
• Performance healing happens when we share our personal stories online before we're ready, often seeking validation
• Healing is never complete – the healthiest people still get triggered, but respond differently
• Diagnoses provide context and roadmaps for healing but should not be seen as permanent life sentences
• Neuroplasticity allows us to rewire our brains and create new neural pathways
• Relationships are "the greatest classroom" and healthy conflicts help us grow
• Curiosity is a powerful tool that prevents judgment and opens us to deeper understanding
• Setting boundaries and protecting your energy are essential for mental wellbeing
• "Micro healing moments" throughout your day can help maintain balance
If you're experiencing difficulty receiving help or assistance, check out Resilient Retreat, offering free programming for people who have survived trauma, abuse, helping professions, and first responders. Or consult with our special guest at Lisa Klein Counseling.
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What's up you guys? Welcome to this episode of Crystal Clear. I have a returning guest, miss Lisa Klein from Lisa Klein Counseling, and we had so much fun the last episode. We just had to get it, spark it back while, like, the iron was hot. So welcome back, lisa.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1:I feel like we had like three pages of things we wanted to talk about last time we did and we just barely skimmed the surface, but the response from that conversation has been incredible. It has been incredible. People are loving it on all the social platforms. I've gotten a lot of great feedback.
Speaker 2:You've gotten feedback I've gotten a lot of feedback. It's resonating with a lot of people. Feedback You've gotten feedback. I've gotten a lot of feedback. It's resonating with a lot of people Awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in that one, if you you know it's more of like coming to your true self, like understanding what that is. So today we're going to elaborate on that a little bit more. So if you haven't listened to that one yet, recommend listening to it at some point. But we're going to pretty much cover all of that and more today. So one thing we really wanted to get to last time that I think is so important is, is performance healing, performance healing and what do we mean by that?
Speaker 2:Well, in today's culture, a lot of us are on social media, right, we're talking about that before, and we can feel inclined to share our personal stories, sometimes before we're ready to Right, for a variety of reasons. Mm-hmm, for a variety of reasons, but sharing our healing journeys before we're ready or for validation.
Speaker 1:You know I've done it myself as well, like you know. Okay, that probably should have gone in my journal After putting it out. Okay, I put it out there. Those were my feels. I was in my moment with that and there's nothing wrong with expressing. Let's just clarify that I think the more that you process your journey and the more you process along the way, the more healing it is out there for other people to let's just jump right in, judge, critique, assess. You're exposing a level of vulnerability that you may not be ready to receive the feedback. And there's just coming from my more spiritual, energetic side. You're putting a piece of yourself out there. So it's got a lot more attention. It has a lot more influence than you may realize on your internal state after that happens.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent. It does. But a lot of times, even if you think you're totally being authentic, right, when you go on, you might go on, live and be totally unedited, but when you're sharing something about your healing journey or whatever you're going through, yeah, it doesn't have to be healing.
Speaker 1:It could be your divorce. I've seen a lot of that.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot of or post breakup yeah post breakup political stuff yeah. Things with your kids yeah, it's curated.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times when people are sharing about those things not always, but they're seeking connection, right they want to not feel alone, but also sometimes it's in a way that is palatable to people, right? So they don't show, maybe, the ugly side of what that might look like.
Speaker 1:Well, maybe they are showing the ugly side and not the beautiful side. Right, and that goes both ways, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. But sometimes it can lead to people feeling, after they share Right, like some regret, and a lot of times in those cases I feel like, especially when I think of performance, it's like I've gotten over this or I'm in this healed space and like let me share with you, which is great. You go and ebbs and flows, but sometimes it's harder to ask for help and what you need when you get to that point because you're like I projected this right, I'm healed, yeah, stay, and things are. Bless you. If you feel like you're completely healed.
Speaker 1:I know, love that for you. However, however, I, I, I would recommend just staying open. Just staying open to the ebbs and flows and it's funny my life coach and I talk about this. We joke about it at this point Cause I like get to a point where, like, oh my gosh, everything's going so great I don't even think I can be triggered right now. 30 minutes later I'm like, oh, fuck that.
Speaker 1:I gotta tell you what just happened because, because you never know, and so now it's kind of like just a rolling joke yeah, not to be like, oh, everything's, you know too good to be true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, none of that, but just you know, but that's like a hundred percent. The reality, though, like there is, you know, a hundred percent healed. Suffering is part of the human condition, like the healthiest people I know are triggered.
Speaker 1:It's what they do after they're triggered that is different inside of you taking a moment, encouraging yourself to pause and coming out of that wanting to react, wanting to rebuttal, wanting to defend. This is my personal approach anyway. If I'm feeling some turbulence bubbling, take a pause, going inward, like okay, I'm realizing now that I am feeling some kind of way about what is?
Speaker 1:happening right now. But where is it coming from? Is it? Is it in this moment? Is it something that happened to me that I've been holding onto and not letting go of and shedding the layers from? Is it like a serious trigger, some trauma trigger from like childhood, you know? I mean there's several layers to this, to not discount the fact that I'm feeling my feelings, but taking a moment to understand where it may be coming from, when it likely has nothing to do with the person or the situation that's even there, like yes, that happened in that moment, I'm more unaware of my inner. You know it's like it goes back to that saying like you know, when in doubt, just be kind, we're all going through something that we know nothing about.
Speaker 1:Like every human on this planet has experienced things that you know they may not even be aware of, much less us. Yeah, just try to be kind and compassionate, especially to yourself, in those moments Because I feel like, that's when the magic can really happen and we can show ourselves that compassion.
Speaker 1:But when you get, you know, going back to kind of what we started off as, when you're, when you've entered the online realm of this and you've exposed yourself in some sort of way whether it's a positive you know something you're judging as positive in your life, something you're judging of negative, something you know an intense emotion, whatever, and someone has something to say about it, or someone reaches out to you and they're like, oh, what happened or what. It can be overwhelming and it can be like, wow, everyone's going gonna have a different perspective of it and no one's gonna have the same perspective as you. So you know, it's just, it's interesting, because I'm sure we've all. If you're out there and you've done some sort of thing, you know whether it's posting your kid's good report card or it's posting you, you know someone extreme, like going through something else.
Speaker 1:It just I feel like it leads us down that path of putting it out there for people to judge it does.
Speaker 2:It can become a spectacle for conversation and also it's a balance right, because I think that I am very cautious about what I post because professionally, you know, you want to be professional, right, so I think it can be inhibiting sometimes too to not share certain things, but I try to have a balance. But I definitely feel like it has a great side because you can connect with people. But it does totally, it 100% exposes you, you, and when you feel like you're in a healed place and I'm thinking of an example with myself, even something coming up is that you can kind of gaslight yourself a little bit too, like you can be like, yeah, things are going great, like you said, I don't need this, I can't be triggered like I'm great and it's not always like that, and then you can be like, well, I just posted this thing, right, you know, and then feel like a little right, it can be shaming, right, you can go through shame and guilt, like I'm.
Speaker 1:You know, even with empowerment coaching or life coaching or counseling, it's like we still have experiences in our life, we still have things that happen that we have to work through.
Speaker 2:Like it doesn't matter who you are you always have.
Speaker 1:you know someone's always going to have something. So just to have that open, keep the open space that if you are going to put something out there A you can always delete it.
Speaker 1:You don't know that Like you don't have to keep it up there, it's going to cause the turbulence and the anxiety or like delete it, for goodness sakes, but also understanding that in some ways it may make people feel more human. So I'm what's coming up for me right now and I'm thinking about it. Like you know, I have um, this company, who's amazing audience generator. They do my reels. Yeah for in in a post reel, so I don't post all of my reels myself. I I just have decided, for sanity purposes, I outsource that. I don't like managing, you know, my business social media pages all the time, so they will post a Reel and the Reel is a very short clip of a conversation so it doesn't have all the context, it doesn't have the context, it doesn't have the back, you know. So it was really interesting.
Speaker 1:My first ever TikTok reel was about I stopped trying to fix my husband. Yeah, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I go like you know, I realized he just needed to be loved where he is. You're like, I mean it has like 200,000 views. It went like a massively viral. Yeah For the first ever yeah.
Speaker 1:And the feedback was like I had to stop. It was like well, why would you just suffer through? And I'm like no, no, no, like I felt myself wanting to rebuttal so much. Yeah, a, don't look at the comments, just know that there was in. My whole point in the conversation was I had to stop trying to fix and and give him advice, like his journey was his journey and he needed to experience things on his own, and it was my.
Speaker 1:You know your journey, my journey too, but like my position in life, to just love him where he was and love him through what he was going through and giving him that space and holding space for him instead of trying to fix him, was the point of the conversation like holding space. I'm loving you unconditionally right what happens, like when someone's going through stuff. They're having their ups and downs and all around. If we're conditionally loving them and trying to fix them, it makes them feel like they're not lovable. It makes them feel like they're failing.
Speaker 1:So that was the context of the conversation. I felt myself wanting to defend and wanting to like no, you're not understanding. That's not what it was. You felt the judgment.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I think mine was like just please listen to the whole podcast, so you understand, so my whole thing was like just listen to the whole thing and you'll understand. But most people don't have the capacity or the time frame to listen to an hour and a half podcast about what I'm talking about, but it was really, you know, the context of overcoming my PTSD patterns and part of those patterns was being stuck in the wall. This is happening, so I need to have a solution for it.
Speaker 2:Well, and I was just going to say I probably was not even just, you know, loving him unconditionally but realizing, where does that come to want to fix Right? Right, it was my conditioning.
Speaker 1:I was trying to break my patterns and rewire my brain.
Speaker 2:Whereas this little snippet was like you know.
Speaker 1:I mean, it went crazy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, I'm sure some people could relate to that too. They're probably like I try to fix my husband too, and there was a lot of people who were like you, women always are doing that yeah, of course, hold your drinks.
Speaker 1:Like please just listen, yeah Story. If we all just do our own work and hold ourselves accountable, all will be great. But that was like a really prime example of something that I experienced like that Right Firsthand.
Speaker 2:Because it was just, you know a snippet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's what people you know, the attention span I think that we've created for ourselves by being on social media too. I know it's slow, I mean I've problemed that anyway, not a problem. It's a challenge and always an opportunity for me to observe that I could dive a little deeper and be more attentive and present.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So yeah, I can agree with that too. I have attention deficit disorder, so I definitely find that I can go through things you know pretty quickly online. But I don't I mean my background, I don't come to judgments really quickly Like I've gone through so much training for that. It's kind of like I'm like what's underneath there.
Speaker 1:Well, that's me. It's like, oh, the trauma resiliency training comes in. And it's like, oh, I want to hear more, like, tell me more, I want to understand, like, whoa hear more like, tell me more.
Speaker 2:I want to understand like, what. But I will say for anybody that asks because this comes up and I wonder if it does for you too in the coaching arena, a lot of people are constantly are you analyzing me? Are you is that? No, I'm not. That's not what I'm doing right off the outside either. Like right, that's. You can't do that all the time no well a it's not worth your you shouldn't be, and yeah it's not.
Speaker 1:You know, when you are in a place of someone is trusting you with their life and their, you know their secrets and their things that they probably never even said out loud before. Like who am I to judge that? So right, I always feel like, personally, it's an honor for someone to share and you know an honor and a privilege for someone to feel like you're a safe enough place where they can you know you can hold, can hold space for them, and I think I saw something the other day.
Speaker 1:It was like the difference when I say I'm holding space for you because I actually say it a lot it just means like I'm sitting with you in this, whatever you're feeling, whatever you're going through.
Speaker 2:I'm not judging it.
Speaker 1:I'm not, you know, going to hold you accountable. I mean, if you, if you're asking for advice, that's one thing, but holding space is very different. I think a really great example of that is grief. When you have a loved one or a dear friend like I have a dear friend who just lost her mother and it's like I'm here for you, I'm holding space for you. If you want to take a walk, if you need to cry, I'm not going to try to fix you. I'm not going to tell you everything's going to be okay, because you want to validate how they're feeling, right and just be a place that they can let it out. Because I know I've needed that and I don't want advice. I don't want, you know, I don't. Sometimes it's just like no, I just need.
Speaker 2:Actually, I'm really glad that you brought that up, and this is totally unrelated to what we were talking about before, like at all, but I feel like this is something that comes up with a lot of my clients and relationship dynamics and even in my own experience too, I'll say before I know what I know now, but it's so important and this comes with boundaries too like expressing you know, right now I don't really need your feedback, right, because it can be a situation where you have anxiety or depression or any kind of disorder and you're dealing with whatever's going on that's manifesting. Because of that, or what do you call it, life experience, right, unprocessed life.
Speaker 2:Yes, so you're going through those things and you just want somebody to be beside you and present. That's so important. It's so important in intimate relationships too. Yes, and a lot of times, like you were saying earlier, somebody wants to get in the position of being the problem solver because you love that person like you want to fix the problem.
Speaker 2:you want to fix the problem, you want to take it away, but there isn't always a simple solution and sometimes they've tried everything. It's like when you tell somebody this is the perfect example. You have anxiety, stop being anxious. I can't tell you how many times people have expressed some form of that, like to somebody that I work with. You know, or why don't you just let it go or move on, get over it, right, and I'm like, I don't think they're. It doesn't mean that they're coming from a bad place, but you can say that's not helpful, right, right, shut it down because it's not. And that doesn't mean you have to like, cut somebody off or anything, but just being able to express that you need somebody to be there, that's just as valuable. Like, the problem isn't always easy to solve.
Speaker 1:No at all. I mean, and I remember being in those anxious moments and those anxious states, and it's like now, with the tools that I have if I'm feeling, I mean because I still, you know, anxiety will arise here and there, and it's like, okay, let me take a minute what's going on in my life right now that could be stimulating my nervous system? Because, in the end of things, that's really, you know, biologically. I know that that's what's going on, yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's like, okay, well, I've had this going on and this going on in my I've been looking at my phone all day and trying to answer emails in a freaking traffic light and then I pick my kid up and they're having a hard time and you know it's like you start to peel back the layers and then you're like, wow, no wonder I feel this way.
Speaker 1:So when we're in those moments or you know, like a depressive state and I feel like I don't know about you, but for me, like the word, and I think I've just became very sensitive to it when I got the PTSD diagnosis- because, it was like post traumatic stress disorder and like I feel like it's more of a condition that I was in in a space that I was able to unravel, because if I would have identified with the disorder, part of it, I would have felt like something was wrong with me.
Speaker 1:Do you find that in your practice? Sometimes, when people come in and they're like, well, I have this disorder and this disorder, and it's like, well, you know, I have this disorder and this disorder and and it's like, well, you know, I think that we've just desensitized, kind of what that word is as a, as a culture, and I personally was like, listen, I'm going to figure out how to work through this, like I'm going to figure out what this is and I just you know, but that's that's me. That's not as easy for others to be like, oh god, like this sounds really serious or this is, you know, really disheartening. Someone just told me I have a disorder.
Speaker 1:You know this diagnosis and like what am I going to do with it? So I always feel like, as a society, we need to take a more empowering approach to how we even communicate these things. Yes, we are totally.
Speaker 2:That's an important thing to talk about and it comes up in the mental health community a lot clients too. Um, because the diagnosis this isn't, it's not always permanent, right, right, I think everybody realistically has anxiety like it is a natural. It is a natural human experience, right.
Speaker 1:And it was developed. You're victimized to overstimulation.
Speaker 2:Well, and it was developed in the human brain, like in prehistoric times, because we would get anxious when a dinosaur was going to eat us.
Speaker 1:We have a whole center of our brain dedicated to this space.
Speaker 2:Now, in today's society and our culture we get anxious about a lot of other things that aren't necessarily life threatening and it's kind of unraveling that. So when somebody has an anxiety diagnosis, I'm like it's not a life sentence, right. Like we talked about last time. Yes, yes, right. Like we talked about last time. Yes, yes, but I want to be very cautious and say too, you know, there are certain diagnoses that stay with you, right Like, but it's interesting because a lot of people talk to me about being neurodivergent, which technically everything.
Speaker 1:If you get a DSM diagnosis, diagnosis, you are neurodivergent because you're getting a diagnosis right, we're all on the spectrum of some sort of level, like right it's not like.
Speaker 2:Some of us are invisible to it yeah, but people will be like you know, I think I might have this because they saw something on social media or whatever and they identify with certain criteria and I'm like, well, you know, you could go to somebody and probably tell them that, right, we as clinicians make our diagnoses off of what our clients are presenting with and telling us in a one hour session.
Speaker 2:Right, maybe you know or getting the full and telling us in a one-hour session, maybe, right, you're not even getting the full. Well, we don't live with them their whole life, right, or even what?
Speaker 1:they might remember. I mean let's face it, I mean a lot of my childhood. I don't remember because I think I had Trauma, trauma, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you know so a lot of things that can contribute to these deep internal feelings and thought patterns. It's an interesting thing that you bring up because a lot of people and this will get into a whole lengthy conversation that we have now unfortunately that a lot of people you know need to utilize insurance to get mental health services.
Speaker 2:It requires diagnosis to get coverage and I don't really think that we're ready to go down that multiple hour conversation, but it can impact, you know, people's accessibility to services that they need, right, so it's just medications that they need and um, and, honestly, it's a good plug for it.
Speaker 1:So I'm on the board for organization. If you are one of these people and you are experiencing difficulty receiving help and assistance, yeah, I'm on the board of this wonderful organization, resilient Retreat, and we provide free programming for people that have survived trauma, abuse, helping professions, first responders. There's a screening. It's Tuesday through Friday. They offer retreats and programming to really really the basis is to help you A validate your feelings. They offer retreats and programming to really really the basis is to help you a validate your feelings, make you feel seen and heard and help you have the tools to regulate your nervous system.
Speaker 1:You know, I feel like it goes above me. I've done the programs, I facilitate the programs. It's just one of the tools that I've had in my own healing toolbox, but it is something that's out there free of charge. So, just a little plug for that, since it was in the context of conversation. I always, if it fits in, let people know, and I mean, we have people in Scotland that do our programs, which is pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:Oh, that is really neat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, there's virtual and in-person, so you don't have to be in Sarasota to do it.
Speaker 2:That is really neat.
Speaker 1:And you actually came to the event with us.
Speaker 2:I did and it was lovely, and I think it's a great organization too, and there's no therapy on site.
Speaker 1:Just that too, Like you can't go and get therapy, it's something that's different.
Speaker 2:Right, there's no counseling.
Speaker 1:There's no, so it's just a different tool that you can have in addition to your other modalities.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But I want to bring it back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got away. We digress, but it's not digression, it's all great conversation. Before you do, I want to say too, just really quickly, that getting a diagnosis isn't a bad thing either.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely not Totally not a bad thing. It's important. It provides context for your daily living. Thank you. There's just a double side to everything and I think when we were talking about it before, the reason why I got off on that topic was sometimes when you identify too heavily with like PTSD, like you, there are ways to recover right Like you are no longer happy.
Speaker 1:You are doomed.
Speaker 2:If you get a diagnosis, it provides you kind of with a roadmap If you're with the right team or person to help you along that journey.
Speaker 1:And I mean a perfect example is I thought I had ADHD and anxiety. Turns out I had PTSD totally different, not even just PTSD, complex PTSD, yeah. So but having that information is helpful, allowed me to a understand what it was be, understand where it came from C understand what I could do to help unravel it, and then unraveled it. I mean, in a year and a half I got a brain scan and it was very different. So I no longer have it. So that's the whole intention of this podcast.
Speaker 2:Gosh, you just brought up such a good point, though, too, that you thought you had a different diagnosis, which I'm certain somebody may have told you at some point.
Speaker 1:I was giving Adderall my entire life.
Speaker 2:Okay, I had ADHD, but I really just had trouble and I couldn't focus yeah, like you can get a diagnosis from somebody and they can be totally well-meaning. They might might get a snapshot from you but not have all the information, so it may not be 100% accurate. That's why, when I speak with people and don't think that your clinician is necessarily wrong I don't, but I think yes, and that it doesn't have to be a permanent diagnosis either.
Speaker 1:Not at all.
Speaker 2:Like whatever it is, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's not like getting a diabetes.
Speaker 2:You know, you can see in your blood Like it's obvious. Like it's 100% sure, but it's a really interesting part of you know the medical profession, yes, and figuring out it's investigative kind of what we do, which I love.
Speaker 1:My entire life I've just used myself as like a science experiment, Like whether it's how I can change the appearance of my body, and now it's gone way more internal, of how I can. I can rewire, I can, and neuroplasticity that's the thing we are just now tapping in to the power of the brain. I mean brain health, I feel like, has not been prioritized. I mean we're coming out and it's just beautiful how we have these brainwave centers, and Dr Amen Clinics is where.
Speaker 1:I have my brain scans and we're really focusing on the brain health more, because we have the ability to rewire, to create new neural pathways, to completely change our bodies from the inside out. I mean, like you said, there are certain things we cannot, but when it comes to neurologically, it's not just a one and done. We thought it was at one point in time, and I think that that's kind of what we're breaking out of well, and this is where the positive impacts of social media can come from, because it's become so much more accessible to people that like aren't in the field, right, who aren't like studying this.
Speaker 2:Now people can go onto those accounts and learn about it and they're like listen to these podcasts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's very eye-opening. Yeah, so, and that's, you know, to get us back on that subject, which is the best part we're circling back.
Speaker 2:We let it flow.
Speaker 1:All right, we let it flow but getting back on that topic of you know there's performance healing, but it's really like and that goes for anything it's performing. You know, it's almost like getting back to like why, the why behind it like the why you're sharing.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, like the why, what is the why, and understanding what your why might be like. You know, the intention for sharing the podcast up is to make people understand that they're not alone, that they're validated, that they're appreciated, that they're not alone in their journeys, that there are all these different remedies and, you know, biohacking things they can do to take charge of their mental health and physical health. And you know, and by sharing other things, it's like you know, know, so it's really interesting. I think, because you know not to get into much of like the I mean the ego can take over, right so it's like, are you doing it from a?
Speaker 1:place of intention and authenticity, or are you doing it from a place where you need to seek external validation and support and like, where does that come from?
Speaker 2:and I think it's probably both most of the time I mean all of us humans.
Speaker 1:So, like the ego is not a terrible thing. We're having the human experience, however, just important to really just search within and understand the why yeah it is.
Speaker 2:And to just know, I mean, yes, you can delete it, but once you put something out there, you are sharing it with people and will receive feedback. And you know, I think sometimes people not just with the ego and why you're sharing it, but like sometimes it feels, I think, to people when they tell their story and it seems like it's come to closure, that they feel like they're like I'm in closure, right like I can. If I'm telling all these people, it's almost like I can convince myself to like fake it till you make it right, right, so, but then that's when you get kind of stuck in that loop, possibly of gaslighting yourself because you might not feel great but you're projecting everything is wonderful, and then it can feel really difficult to ask for the support that you need. But everybody, you know I mean to some degree, may share that and may feel less comfortable being super vulnerable online. I mean I think there is value in keeping certain things.
Speaker 2:Intimacy and privacy. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean just think of, like you know, a relationship counselor or coach who gets a divorce Right. You know which is normal.
Speaker 2:I was going to say Evolutionary.
Speaker 1:We grow, we evolve. People are. I kind of want to talk about that for a minute.
Speaker 2:I do too, I want to talk about divorce for a second.
Speaker 1:Like I'm on my second marriage, so is my husband and you, and the first time around it was exactly what we needed in that time period. We have beautiful children from previous marriages we wouldn't have had otherwise. Those people held space for us and supported us and helped us navigate a period of life until it just didn't fit anymore. And then you evolve and change and again I feel like we're kind of growing as as humans, to not judge these situations because it is more predominant these days and it's not I feel like there's not so much shame and speculation stigma around it but just observing the fact that it's okay to make a life decision and a change for yourself, like if you're taking your I.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm going to be real honest. Like if my husband, who I love so much, did not choose to do his own work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it wouldn't have worked Right.
Speaker 1:Because you would have been out of alignment Out of alignment.
Speaker 1:Right, but there are things that we've both had to, you know understand and sacrifice, and work on and, you know, really going inward to be like like what do I, what do I had? And visually having like a map, a visual map of what we want together and individually. And I think that's important because we can get into these stagnant life situations, whether it's our career, whether it's our partners, whether it's our friendships, and we can just go with the flow and go through the motions.
Speaker 2:Yeah and accept it.
Speaker 1:And then you know you're feeling black, you feel like you need something more, which might be where all that need for validation is coming from. We can just circle back to that, but just being real with yourself that it's okay to make life transfer and we talked about this a little bit last time.
Speaker 2:That's part of what you do is help people transition through life.
Speaker 1:That's part of what I do Empowerment coaching. I may have someone that comes in for coaching and we have one session and that's enough for them to be like I get it now. I'm going to take my path this way. I may have someone that talks to me every week or every other week for a year, right, but my whole, I think, philosophy on it is to give you the tools and the feedback and the resources to do whatever fuels your fire and makes you feel good.
Speaker 2:I think there's so much I want to respond to with that Well let's do it Because, okay, we need time, sister, With health. I mean, there are great things about long-term counseling and if it's needed, it's 100% valid to do.
Speaker 1:I've been talking to my life coach every Thursday at 7.30 am for five years.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, and so in those situations, yeah, you find value in it. I think that therapy doesn't always have to be for a long time. Now, right, like I align with what you said and that providing people with the tools to be able to independently function in a way that is an alignment for them is what my job is to support them on that journey, and that could mean that somebody is done really quick or they could go and come back, or maybe they just appreciate the safe space.
Speaker 2:Like that's what I feel, like mine's evolved in, and like now I feel like we just catch up on life.
Speaker 1:We have probably 20 minute calls, not our calls and I'm not 9-1-1 texting your relationships change yeah, our relationship has evolved and you know, so it's a little, it's different, and that's okay yeah um, and that's just. You know when finding the right fit for yourself. Yes, support that journey for you too, is huge.
Speaker 2:Yes, there's a very big balance with that Finding the right fit and finding somebody, honestly, that will challenge you. I'm not going to talk about any of my clients, but that's something that I find very important in the therapeutic relationship, because if somebody is coming to you because something is going on, normally, whatever is going on, you act as a mirror, as a therapist, I mean that's what you are just like a relationship.
Speaker 2:So I say relationships are like the greatest classroom. You have a relationship with your coach, you have a relationship with your coach. You have a relationship with your therapist. You know you have these relationships and in those capacities they're dedicated, like specifically to marrying you Right, Like in your relationship. They might not always be Different tools. Different tools in the toolbox, but those can bring things up that are really important too, and I actually think that conflict is a very valuable tool. Oh, it's so healthy too. I mean in the best relationships.
Speaker 1:You have healthy disagreements. They may not feel healthy in the moment Right, but if you take a step back and you don't play the blame game, it gives you the opportunity to be like why was I so worked up about that, like I always, you know. I'm like ooh, okay, it seems like you know X, y and Z happened. Why did I have such an intense response to it?
Speaker 2:Well, and here's the big reflection with that too Curiosity is like the godsend, like absolute, can help you so much in those kind of dynamics to being curious with yourself, being curious with what is going on with the other person and how that manifested. And then I wanted to talk about divorce too, because I'm also divorced and I think you know in addition to obviously, like I said this in our last podcast together that when you get married, you're not like oh, I'm going to be one of the 50%, this is what's going to happen to me.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking about that, is it still?
Speaker 2:50% now, or is it more? The 50%? This is what's going to happen to me. I'm thinking about that. Yeah, it's just under. Well, it gets higher the more you get married. Did you know that? No Higher divorce rates? Yeah, which is interesting. But I was saying thinking, you know, those experiences are so common. Yeah, so common. And not even just that, because I don't want to be like everyone gets divorced, but a lot of people that are going through struggles, even if they don't want to get divorced, can kind of identify with those periods in somebody else's life. You know they're curious about that experience. They may be dealing with relationship issues and you can reflect and learn a lot in the aftermath of a divorce. You know what didn't work in my marriage before, like how can I have a healthy partnership this time? Is somebody going to be doing the work with me and be in alignment?
Speaker 2:All those things you learn from those experiences, like well, if you're divorced, you can't give input on a relationship, or you can't. I don't think that is necessarily the case.
Speaker 1:No, and I think that you hit the nail on the head earlier when we talked about curiosity.
Speaker 2:Mm, hmm.
Speaker 1:You know, thinking back, I'm sure there's definitely a million things I could have done differently or had tools. And you know, do I regret it? Absolutely not. I'm with my soul person. Yeah, there's a soul connection there and I'm grateful for the way things worked out. However, you know, when we don't, I mean you can.
Speaker 1:You can get a divorce, you could go on to a second or I think the reason it's higher is because sometimes we leave these situations thinking it's either a person or it just didn't work out and we choose not to focus on the healing part of it on ourselves, on ourselves and we go to like the next shiny thing and it's like, oh my God, it's so great. And I'm like, oh, you know, like two years in it's like, oh, they're totally different. Well, of course they're totally different. Like life is different.
Speaker 2:They're not dating anymore.
Speaker 1:They should be, and I don't think we give ourselves a space and die. I mean you have to. I just posted something yesterday about my husband and I's five-year anniversary and we renewed our vows on our five-year anniversary because we were so different. We were completely different people at five years than we were when we got married and we're like we should do this like every five years. It would be so much fun. And even when we did then, that was three years ago we were completely different people than we were then now.
Speaker 1:And so understanding, like the ebbs and flows, and you know, what does my person need? What do I need at this stage? What do you know? My level of communication is different, the level of, you know, my quiet time, my individual time. I need way more alone time now than I've ever needed in my life and I love that. He's the same way, because he gets it, he respects it. We tag team each other on the weekends, when, or like you know, and just the dynamics change. They do not having these, and I think that goes with like understanding, like you know, we can't set these expectations for what are really in again.
Speaker 1:Social media, like you know, performance, performance relationships, like not everything is sunshine and roses, like I put that post. Tell me, I'm telling you, there's some shit behind all of that I wasn't doing it to glorify.
Speaker 1:you know we have this perfect relationship. My whole intention was we went through so much to get to a place to reconnect and re-evaluate, and re-val and recommit. At five years we had no idea what really that was going to look like. I'm just very grateful it's looked like the way it has and, who knows, in 10 years it's going to be like whoa, it's, like you know, very different. So it goes back to like having that curiosity.
Speaker 1:Yes, with all things you know, not even like a diagnosis, but relationships and just life in general, because it keeps it so much more open. Because I think when we approach something in a curious state, it prevents us from judging it. It does Because it's like, oh, I wonder what, instead of oh, they this?
Speaker 2:you know?
Speaker 1:I wonder instead of like I know because you don't know.
Speaker 2:No, you don't know, you don't know, and off of that too, like if somebody is repeatedly doing something that is hurting or harmful to you, like that is a different thing, totally different. But I think you pointed out something really important. Look at, I'm using this. I'm like you pointed.
Speaker 1:You pointed out something I know. I'm doing it to all of you.
Speaker 2:You pointed out something really important like having to work through a lot of stuff to get to a solid place. Yes, a solid place, too, doesn't mean no conflict ever, like a lot of um people that I work with that are younger talk about you know, we never fought and I'm like, well, you know that's interesting because how could you guys have the same thoughts about everything, like you just never talked about it, were you?
Speaker 1:trying well, well yeah no, exactly.
Speaker 2:But that becomes like an idealized thing too right, like conflict, so scary I don't want to have an argument with my partner. Well, conflict doesn't have to be aggressive as hell right either, like it should not be yeah, it shouldn't be. Yeah, conflict is you?
Speaker 2:know I have a different opinion yeah, and we can work through that, we can come to a mutual understanding. It doesn't mean that somebody's gonna agree with you or not. Oh my gosh. This could go to relationships with friends, too, and everybody that you deal with on a day-to-day. We could all use a lot more of that. That's compassion, right, um, but conflict is not like if you are having no conflict. That almost like is a little like beep to me, a little bit like Like what's going on there, because are you being authentic to yourself? Are you using your voice Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, or sharing your opinion Right. Yeah. If you're not, then why?
Speaker 2:Yes, which one's the why? And is that leaving you feeling okay?
Speaker 1:Like is that sustainable? Like are you feeling? Because I think this. You know it goes back to what we talked about last time losing ourself in relationships or careers or whatever. Yeah, and that happens when we let shit slide and we don't speak our. And it doesn't mean that you have to create turbulence or animosity.
Speaker 2:It just means that you're speaking.
Speaker 1:You know there might be something that's said in this podcast. I'm like you know what. I didn't clarify that the way that I wanted to or should have.
Speaker 1:I'm going to call Lisa and be like, hey, you know what, when you said what I don't know, like it's not the best example, because I feel like we're always in alignment with this stuff. But you know what I mean? It's the little things. It's like, you know, your boss asked you to do something that you really don't have the space and time for and you do it anyway, right? Instead of saying, hey, I really I'm overwhelmed and I have a lot going on, because you're afraid they're going to see you as, like she can't handle it. Right, that type of situation is what I'm talking about, right, I mean and it goes for anything or a relationship where you know you don't speak your whole truth to your partner or your or your child or whatever, or you know?
Speaker 1:your parent about something, yeah, and you let it slide. And then it happens again, and you let it slide and you have it again, and then you get to a point where you're like, wow, this relationship dynamics really changed and I don't know why yeah that's kind of what we're talking, well, and then they'll be like.
Speaker 2:I never thought though yeah, right. And then I did you.
Speaker 1:You have to peel through that right and show yeah, but well and I know for myself, like when I've been in situations like that and you know various types of relationships and I don't say what's on my mind. I usually don't say what's on my mind because I've already created a story about what it could have potentially happen or what.
Speaker 1:you know what I mean. Like I've already gone there to like this could work out this way or that way. So I'm just not going to say anything. Right, and I know I'm not alone on this, but for me that was a huge anxiety trigger. It does make you anxious, because you're withholding, because I was creating all this shit in my head that had never happened.
Speaker 2:Well, and you're withholding, like speaking up and your truth. I can give you a great example of this, not personal, but like something that I use as an example a lot in relationship dynamics. Like you're dating somebody new We'll call this person Joe Joe never takes out the garbage Like it's not, it's not a big deal, though, really I'll just take it out for them, like even though it's not my place. And then that continues. And then, three years in, I'm like why doesn't he fucking take out the garbage? Like how, how did that happen? Exactly? This makes me so upset. And then I tell Joe and Joe's like you've always done that for three years.
Speaker 2:You know, what's your problem? Where'd you? Yeah, it's like, well you know.
Speaker 1:I'm like, well, I hated it. Yeah Well, just don't ask me like, hey, can we alternate taking out the garbage sometime?
Speaker 2:instead of building resentment. Right, but sometimes people in that example too, they'll be like oh, it's not that big of a deal, but the little things add up. You don't think they're a big deal, but they compound and then you have your own things going on. You don't want to be taking out somebody else's garbage metaphorically or really like you have to deal with your own shit. That's enough for most people and if you have children, then you have to deal with their shit too.
Speaker 1:So I love that example because that's it's, it's the simple things, right, yeah, like, okay, the dishwasher is empty.
Speaker 2:Like, there's six people that live in my home like if we all don't do our part to some degree to put things away or take turns taking out the trash or make the bed before we leave.
Speaker 1:I mean, I could imagine what our house would look like if we just let all the things go and not everyone pitched in. And you know, I also have like a village of people that I have to help me because I can't maintain it all myself. Yeah, and it's just overwhelming. I mean, think about it. I think about what our teenagers, their life is like. They go to school from 730 to 230. But then you know, during certain seasons they have extracurricular activities until 530.
Speaker 1:And then they're gone on the weekends and it's like, like you know, you want them to have a life and not have to do all the other things, but there's still like comes down to having that accountability and responsibility but also not being like, oh well, they never do this or they never do that it's like, and I never say anything, right like, hey, you know can we all like I even had a conversation this morning text the fam jam text?
Speaker 1:hey, if we're going to take food in our rooms and if we're going to take drinks and smoothies in our rooms, like, can we please just make sure to throw it away?
Speaker 2:Take them out, yeah.
Speaker 1:Make sure to throw it away.
Speaker 2:That way we don't sit around.
Speaker 1:That way we don't get ants, that way we don't get roaches, that way we don't you know it's like we all do our part. But if we all left everything laying around all the time?
Speaker 2:It would be chaos, it would be chaos, and what does that do?
Speaker 1:Chaos in your surroundings creates chaos in your mind.
Speaker 2:I was going to say it off of your nervous system right?
Speaker 1:Yes, and I think that you know I didn't understand that, as a teenager having a messy room definitely contributes to feeling overstimulated.
Speaker 2:It does, and I also think that there's a lot of value in that too, because when anybody doesn't have to do things or doesn't have responsibility like in particular I'm thinking about children how does that set them up for, like, when they're on their own? Yeah, you know I Well, it's life skills. Yeah, it's life skills, you know I Well it's life skills.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's healthy for them to understand, like, how to load a dishwasher, how to wash their clothes, and you know how to. You know like it creates Independent. If we put things away when we're finished with them. Then we don't have to do it later and we have free time. You know so you know, I feel like I've done a really great intentional job with that, with the little guy.
Speaker 1:Like you know, sometimes, especially on weekends, like if we have a few things out and around that he's kind of going back and forth and around too, but really try to like, hey, if we're going to finish playing with kinetic sand, let's put that away and go on to the next. Whether it's just going to be kinetic sand everywhere, right, everyone who bought him kinetic sand.
Speaker 2:I actually love it.
Speaker 1:It's very sensory Like my sensory girl, gets all into it. But that sets them up for success because not only does it neurologically help them grow these developmental appropriate skills, but when they start driving're not gonna have stuff all over their car, they're. It's gonna be safer and right. They'll understand how to we have one going off to college like prepare a meal for themselves you know so it's those life skills that in today, where everything is so convenient, you know, there's glory in doing things for yourself.
Speaker 2:There is, and it fosters a sense of capability which is really important for everything Right.
Speaker 1:Well, it makes you Everybody you know. It kind of helps avoid that I feel stuck and frozen in the long run.
Speaker 2:Right, so if you do have, clutter in your life.
Speaker 1:It prevents that like it's a block. Freeze response it's a block, If you do have clutter in your life.
Speaker 2:It prevents that.
Speaker 1:Like freeze response, it's a block, like if you walk into your room one day and I do this all the time my closet's a really good example. Like sometimes I won't hang everything back up, like I have no place for everything. But you know, midweek if I have like four pairs of shoes on the ground and not put away, and you know I've done dry cleaning and haven't hung it all up there, Right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's like I walk in and I'm like oh, it feels like a lot right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever, take my time, go back, but it's like creating that space and time. You just do a little bit, yeah, every day. You know it helps clear your mind, clear your palate. That way things aren't building up Same as kind of like we were talking about with like relationships.
Speaker 1:That stuff builds up in your nervous system too, and that's what leads to the anxiety and the overwhelm is having too much to do all the time it does and feeling it's silenced right like if you, if you take on more than you should somebody else's responsibilities and yeah, well, and hopefully I think you get to a point and I think that's the beauty of getting older right.
Speaker 2:Then you learn like I don't have time to and I don't want to fix somebody else. That's their own journey, right, like I have my own things to fix. Yes, I can be curious. I can be curious and intentional about how I engage with people, but, like, and if something's coming up in me, I have to address that, right, but that it's not your job to just pile on other people's shit. And a lot of people get stuck in that until they're ready to let go, which is really hard.
Speaker 1:Right and I mean, and this kind of takes us in circles.
Speaker 1:It does Around the social media, you know when we're online, we're opening ourselves up to other people's stuff. Yeah, so what are we doing? What are you doing to protect your energy and to protect your mental energy, physical energy from taking on too much of what's out there, whether it's the news, whether it's like political things, whether it's? You know other people's posts and situations and you know we we have to be very careful and cautious not to absorb too much, like I know. For example, we had a really big week last week. We had a big yeah, birthday party for myself. A lot of energetically big things as I talk about a lot because I feel like my life, always it's a trend in my world I knew that I needed to disconnect on Sunday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I knew I needed to not be on my phone. I knew I needed to just kind of relax, Take a break. Take a break, chill out and protect my energy in that way, Because otherwise I could continue that realm of getting worked up. My Monday would have looked totally different Right and I always really try to create a chill Monday. I try not to put too much in my Mondays because in life my weekends are busy, if not busier than my weekdays, a lot of the time.
Speaker 2:So I know that mentally.
Speaker 1:I need space and time to just kind of be and get the necessities done on Monday and not take on too many projects, or very rarely will I ever do a podcast on a Monday, you know, I just really you know, yeah, and I know that's not realistic for everyone, Um but that's just you know. And if it's not a Monday, it's whatever day, it's whatever time that you can, just to balance it, Even if it's something as simple as having a quiet car on the way to work.
Speaker 2:Right, it could be the little things.
Speaker 1:It doesn't have to clear your calendar and get a massage. It means you know it's the little micro healing things.
Speaker 2:It is.
Speaker 1:Eating a good breakfast or maybe skipping coffee if you're waking up feeling a little anxious, or you know the little things we can do to contribute to that peace throughout our day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we covered so much, I so much. I know what else like is there anything else that I feel like we want to circle back on, because we opened up a lot of doors here?
Speaker 2:well, and there was so much I wanted to say to that. But then I was just listening to you and I'm like getting in the zone when you're talking about it that it makes it hard for me to remember sometimes what I want to say. I get so in the zone. Yeah, oh, I remember what I was thinking when you said it makes it hard sometimes when you're on social media and like being cautious about what you're absorbing. I think that's a perfect place where you can express curiosity too, what you're absorbing. I think that's a perfect place where you can express curiosity to you, no matter who you see on social media, if they have 3 million followers or not.
Speaker 2:And we kind of made a joke a little bit between us about somebody who's very well known before this. Take everything with a grain of salt, right? Oh my gosh, you need nuance when you are looking at people's posts, and that goes along with not being judgmental, but like if this post doesn't work for you, then great, it doesn't work for you. A lot of things online and they should be to a certain extent are very generalized, because you can't be like explicitly engaging with one person, right? So I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of let them. Yes, and I'll say that because there's a lot of jokes about it online and things, and sometimes there needs to be more nuance and if that works for you, great Right.
Speaker 2:But if it doesn't, that's fine, you know I go go with that. Let let yourself feel there.
Speaker 1:You go, let yourself feel it's funny Talking to a friend at work before I got here and we were joking. Have you seen those posts where it's like my healed self and my and my and my, I'm going to get in your shit person Like which one's going to come out about this Because we're just we're going to open it up for a second. Like the let them theory, I understand the premise of it. Like you know.
Speaker 1:Let them be them. However, don't let them treat you like shit. Don't let you know there's a lot of let them stuff out there. So just use discernment, yes, and understand that you know you also have a voice too, and you don't need to let everybody walk all over you.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's the one thing about that that I'm like well, it can get you into trouble, but I think her intention behind it is just don't absorb other people's stuff. Right, and people are going to do what they're going to do. They're going to do.
Speaker 1:Actually, I read the book and the part in the beginning cracked me up and it was like totally me. It was like when the kids were dressed up for like homecoming or prom or something and they wanted to go to the taco food truck.
Speaker 2:And she was like no, no, no.
Speaker 1:I'm going to book you a fancy.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I would totally be the funny parts from it. Yeah, but there's a lot. That's just a tiny example. There are a lot of different things out there. Take it all with a grain of salt.
Speaker 2:Like nothing is an end.
Speaker 1:All be all, I mean, even when it comes to spiritual books, like take it with a grain of salt. We're all so different. We all have such different life experiences and things that we connect with, things that resonate with us. And what resonates with me today probably wasn't what resonated with me five years ago, or even tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Right, oh, be open like curious, stay curious I think curiosity is the theme of this, well, and I think discernment too, and when something like that comes out, that's very catchy, like it's a great catchphrase, but it's very simple and when you apply it to real life circumstances it can get a little bit complicated, because sometimes you can't always do that and there's no shame, right? I mean like I can't just let somebody do that, or you know.
Speaker 1:I mean you apply it to what you can if it resonates with you, and I think that's the point yeah, I think of myself as a teenager and then I think of my teenagers and I'm really glad karma hasn't you're like I would not let them yeah I mean, that's an example, you know, you have this young, vulnerable experimental age yeah. And it's like, well, do we really let them do all the things, or do we use some discernment and reel it back in and coach and guide and stay curious about what could happen?
Speaker 2:if they took an alternate route. Yes, exactly, exactly so that's just like a. That's a great example so it's, one of those like you know, I think the intention I do.
Speaker 2:I'm really getting used to come with a caution sign because people will dive right in and be like this will resolve my problems, and I think that is a really important thing that we're touching on now. Even about sharing things right like this will solve my problems if people are validating my experience or the way that this went down right, and but then what happens when it's not validated?
Speaker 1:then where?
Speaker 2:or it's not your experience anymore, and that's why we felt like it was really important to talk about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because it's a rabbit hole now, especially for kids and teens three seconds on the internet like, yeah, it's even that yeah yeah, so but there's some funny stuff on there too.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, so enjoyable. Yeah right, we're sending each other.
Speaker 1:We send each other videos yeah, like I'm that girl that'll get on sometimes and you know I've had a few minutes. Yeah, I'm like here's eight, but they're hilarious they are.
Speaker 2:They are I use discernment.
Speaker 1:Some people understand some, some people understand others. Right, and it's stuff I'm sending people and we're laughing about and conversating about. It's stuff I normally would not put out there to the masses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm using discernment.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not projecting all of my sense of humor out there because some people may not perceive it and, honestly, my audience on Crystal Clear and my audience on my personal page and my audience on Facebook are very different Same.
Speaker 2:You know I use my Facebook.
Speaker 1:It's more community outreach, it's more public in a different way, my personal Instagram is more like raw crystal.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:My TikTok is essentially all crystal clear podcast stuff and occasionally some other stuff, and my crystal clear Instagram is a little bit of a moat.
Speaker 2:Well, bless you. I don't even know TikTok.
Speaker 1:Again I outsourced.
Speaker 2:I'm like I don't even know. Tiktok again. I had to I outsource. I'm like I don't know how to do that.
Speaker 1:I have teenagers. I read their stuff, but anyway you know, I just think that our message today is stay curious, don't try to avoid the rabbit holes, use discernment and just really protect yourself when it comes from, and know that that can be different and and know that, like you know, if you do something and you put yourself out there in a certain way, it doesn't mean it's out there to stay. Like you, you know there are people out and resources and you know, things that will help you work through all of this yeah curious about it and there's beautiful things that are valuable about building community.
Speaker 2:I'm sure people I mean we would have never met if we weren't actually that's a hundred percent right. I reached out to you and I was like we have a lot in common, right?
Speaker 1:and here we are. Yeah, I know that's the second time in like a month, so you know you can really connect in a beautiful way you can um, but you know, stay curious yeah, stay curious awesome. Thank you so much, lisa. It's been a blast and we have more time today, so it's always fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure we'll probably be back. I know like a ladies round table conversation. We should. That would be fun. That's a good idea, awesome Thanks, guys.