Krystel Clear
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Deeper Dive- Decoding the Craniosacral System with Holly Del Valle
The subtle, profound language of your body holds keys to healing that conventional approaches often miss. In this deep-dive conversation with returning guest Holly Del Valle, we explore the fascinating world of craniosacral therapy and how this gentle modality can transform chronic health challenges by working with your body's natural rhythms and systems.
Holly explains how the craniosacral system—comprising your 22 cranial bones, spine, sacrum, and cerebral spinal fluid—functions as an interconnected network with its own breath pattern and rhythm. What makes this system revolutionary for healing is its intimate connection with your fascia, the crystalline connective tissue web carrying memory and information throughout your body. When this system becomes dysregulated through physical trauma, emotional stress, or environmental factors, a cascade of symptoms can emerge.
For parents, understanding craniosacral therapy's benefits for babies and children opens new possibilities for addressing everything from colic to airway issues. Holly shares how modern infant care practices—from car seats to swaddling—can sometimes limit the natural stretching babies need for proper fascial development. For adults, especially those with hypermobility, learning how your unique body works becomes crucial for healing chronic conditions. We explore how many compensatory movement patterns and breathing habits may be undermining your wellbeing without your awareness.
The conversation takes a practical turn with a demonstration of Emotional Freedom Technique (tapping), a powerful self-regulation tool combining acupressure points with emotional acknowledgment. Holly also addresses the reality of postpartum recovery, noting that the body may need 4-6 years to fully heal—a timeline rarely acknowledged in our fast-paced world.
Listen in and discover how tapping into your body's innate wisdom might be the missing piece in your health journey. What might your fascia be trying to tell you?
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What's up you guys? Welcome to this episode of Crystal Clear. I have a beautiful returning guest with us today, the holistic alchemist, holly DiValli. Welcome back, thank you. Yes, your episode did so well. I got so much feedback and so many more questions, so I feel like it was worth, especially while it's fresh, to have you back on and to dive a little deeper. I know we covered a broad range of topics last time, so I think it would be it's so hard not to. It's so hard not to but I would love to just start off by A give us a little brief on what is craniosacral. And then B how do we know if this is something that might work for us?
Speaker 2:Okay, I almost want to start with B. No, start with B, please. All right, so well, no, we'll start with A. It makes more sense.
Speaker 2:Okay, so the craniosacral system is something that is inclusive of your cranial bones you have 22 different cranial bones and it's inclusive of your spine and your sacrum and your cerebral spinal fluid. Now, this is as you breathe. This actually has its own breath and its own rhythm, its own pulse, has its own hydraulic pump system that is being pumped by the whole internal fascial system. So your dural tube, as an example, is like an internal fascial system. The cerebral spinal fluid is intricately connected with the fascia, and I think that's kind of a misconception that might be going out right now that it's separated, but it actually innervates right to the connective tissue, which is your fascia, and so this modality is helping downregulate the nervous system. It's helping with any type of trauma, whether that's physical or emotional or chemical, these types of things.
Speaker 2:I mean, our bodies are electromagnetic and the cerebral spinal fluid is directly derived from your mother's amniotic fluid. It carries light, information and it is what's supporting your brain and your nervous system. It's what's giving it information and what state to be in, and it carries memory. So I think this is one of the biggest things too. I think that your fascial system, which is the web that holds your entire body together, is you know they're figuring out that it's PZO electric? Is you know they're figuring out that it's PZO electric? It's crystalline in structure and the way that it seems. You know? I know you've had somebody on here who does EMDR.
Speaker 1:Now.
Speaker 2:I've not had EMDR done, but I understand that your eyes are supposed to move to different sides and it helps with the brain hemisphere. There's something so fascinating that happens when I'm working on people and I remember back when I first started watching their eyes go back and forth and I'm like that's so fascinating. It happens every time and I find that what my perception of what's happening is their body is like scanning and like defragmenting the computer, which is the fascial system that's been holding on to like every single thing. We've been through the epigenetic line that hasn't cleared all of the different energy that's just storing in the body that the body doesn't know what to do with, and I think our children are showing us how much their bodies are overloaded with all of this um. So when you ask who can benefit, um, I think if you're breathing and you're human, you could benefit and you probably need it. But there's a lot more.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of people that are dealing with like autoimmune issues.
Speaker 2:That's kind of how I came into it and I'm not going to say that I have an autoimmune condition. But when I felt like my body was failing me and I was losing all that weight rapidly and doctors were like I don't know what's wrong with you. I mean, I felt like I was dying and I searched out like chiropractic and hypnotherapy and like just all these different things, because I thought, okay, well, there must be something else going on, like emotional or maybe in my spine, like I knew enough to know that. And then somebody said craniosacral and it changed my life and I realized that when the nervous system could be calibrated, the rest of the body knew how to take care of itself and so even for those that have, like autoimmune conditions, just being able to keep that baseline, so that the body doesn't have to be so frazzled by all of the different input, like we're getting toxic input daily through either our water, our food, our air and, like you know, technological input, things that we've become EMFs, all the things that are normalized to us.
Speaker 2:Well, we've become right and we've become adaptable to it because it's been like over time, like you and I grew up where we still had some time growing up outside pre-computer internet days, and I saw something yesterday that said we were putting in, like our MySpace HTML codes Like we didn't even know, like how did? We were like trained by the CIA, like we didn't even know what we were doing, but um, but we like did. I could never tell you how I did all that now but yeah, life was just different at that point. I think our kids are just showing us that there's so much input and that we're not just this physical 3d body, um.
Speaker 2:So yeah, how's that for the first AMV? Did it, I love it.
Speaker 1:No, I love it. And there's like six things that popped up while you were talking about it Because it's so true. And so to get back to like fascia and the connective tissue and spinal fluid and all of these things that I think that we don't, you know, society as a whole don't realize how important it is that.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's a system right, I mean think of like our water filter or the AC in our house, like if part of that system is clogged or it's blocked or it's not working properly, or there's a kink or there's a hole or there's a, you know, you would call the repair person immediately. But when it comes to the physiology of our bodies and I think that one thing sometimes we don't know is like we don't know how we've become dysregulated, we just know that we are dysregulated- and it's like, but where to start, right, or we know.
Speaker 2:It's been a multitude of things and because of that we don't know where to start.
Speaker 1:We don't know where to start Exactly, and that was kind of how my journey was at one point. And now we added a new puppy to our world a month ago and I've been unhinged, since it is like having a newborn.
Speaker 2:You came in with an accent I don't get to sleep.
Speaker 1:I'm like what is happening. I cry like once a week, but I know what I need to do to regulate myself. So I do need to come see you. But I think it was really interesting when you were talking about the eye movement.
Speaker 1:I have done EMDR and it really did help when I was in like the midst of digging through like deep, deep childhood trauma stuff. It was amazing because you would leave and be like oh, oh, but you have to do the somatic work with that. So you know you can do one modality, but the body work and the things to kind of push that along the way also needs to be done. And I think that that's something that I know I've had to learn, just based on what works and what doesn't work and what do I need when? And you know, you kind of come up with a science for it after a while, for your unique body.
Speaker 2:but also knowing that that ebbs and flows.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent and you have to listen to what like? There's no combination that's exact for everybody. There's no one size fits all, and I believe that about everything, which is why, like a few years ago, I was like what the heck? There's no one size fits all. You can't just tell everybody that they need to go do this thing because, like, it's not going to affect everybody the same. I mean, I could get stung by a bee and be fine. You could get stung by a bee and it'd be a complete disaster. Let's just you know it's like peanut butter.
Speaker 2:I mean, I could be around peanuts and be totally fine. You maybe not like, you know, it's just, we can't just assume that it's yeah. So, um, and in general, finding your combination to your healing is like your own personal. You know, we all have to arrive there through our own journey and that looks different for everybody. Um, one thing I forgot to mention is that for our babies and children, this is a huge thing the craniosacral has become.
Speaker 2:I wish I knew that it was so beneficial for babies. Back when I had my son, I just knew, like you had explained it. Oh, if there's a kink, you know, I just knew that if there were things going on trauma, your spine could hold it and there's kink and if you get that out, you feel better. Like I just knew how much it transformed my life. Um, I had no idea how impactful it was when it came to like the fascia and the babies and their experience. Um, my son had a really traumatic birth and so that was not at all what we were looking for. We thought we were going to have this beautiful home birth. I'm going to show everyone how wonderful it can be. I was brought to my knees real quick on the surrender of motherhood, but it also just transformed into this journey where now it's.
Speaker 2:I feel like maybe it's because of where we live but it's also this epidemic, it seems, of children having all of these airway issues, and so we're starting to see snoring and mouth breathing and we're starting to realize the tongue positioning and myofunctional therapy comes into play crowding of teeth and that's all connected to the cranium. So this type of work is super influential for babies and there is, you know, a lot of practitioners that are beginning to grab hold of this and I love that, because for years I was like there needs to be more practitioners learning about this, offering this, this, and I think it's just it's gaining like rapid speed. So I mean more and more people are hearing about it, probably for babies and children, because it is so beneficial for that and in their airway and helping with oral ties and colic and just discomfort, I mean you think about it, they've been in the womb for nine months.
Speaker 1:Like you know, I feel like ear infections is huge.
Speaker 2:All of that because these bones are not. You know everything has to move out and if everything is squished, then you know the tubing and the drainage pathways are not going to go properly.
Speaker 1:Welcome out squished.
Speaker 2:It's one way or another, and even if there's oral tethers, like in the tongue, you know you can pull on certain areas that are going to pull on these eustachian tubes. So this is all interconnected and if we can help them while everything is fresh and malleable, then there's so much impact that that has on their entire nervous system, on their breathing, on how their teeth come in.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, it's kind of a really big deal with, yes, their sleep Really big for kids with what seems to be like behavioral things which I happen to think.
Speaker 1:There's so much more going on there, Anything behavioral for me, I'm like all right, we got to go deep. Yeah, but it's so hard because they can't verbalize what exactly it is. Most adults can't verbalize.
Speaker 2:So that's the problem. The kids, I mean, even as they get older and they have vocabulary. It's like how do they tell us that they're feeling, what they're feeling?
Speaker 1:We don't even know how to. You don't even know what you're feeling.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 1:That's kind of been me. I'm happy, I love her, but I don't know. I'm on a whole different octave. I feel like this work is so important for children and babies and how would one go about asking like, how do you know where to start and what questions to ask to know? I mean, obviously I love all the things I do all the things. But I just remain very open to things like that. Then you know if you're say the colic we'll just use something super common.
Speaker 1:You know what's always. I never had colicky babies, but I have had a friend recently that had very colicky baby and she was just worn out like I don't know what to do and there's like oh, and there's no explanation for it.
Speaker 2:That's really and I'm like they'll grow out of it has to be right, get some grape water, or yeah, I mean I have picked. We didn't go through a terribly long stage of that, but but we did and I have like pictures. I wish I had video, but I have pictures of literally me just being like at my wits end and my son just like crying and me being kind of just like I don't even know what to do.
Speaker 2:So I think that through people like midwives, lactation consultants, airway dentists but that's usually a little bit later down the road, but that's usually how people are hearing about oral ties and I think that it's really interesting, because I'm still on the fence about what I think about whether oral ties need to be revised in that traditional way. I don't think every child needs that. I think for some cases, depending on your resources and who's around you and who performs what and what professionals you can get money, time and how well your baby does with certain things. It can be hard to say let's just do body work, because that might take a month and a half or a month of consistent, you coming in a few times a week and maybe you don't have the ability to do that, your sanity won't let you do that, your child's screaming in the car, maybe you financially can't do it. There are so many different factors that can go into it and maybe, as that's happening, mom's milk is dropping, so we've also got to consider that. So for mom's sanity and for all of the things going on family fight family I've suggested different things and there are different practitioners now who are doing things where I just learned of one up in tampa who does something.
Speaker 2:It's like a revision, but it's more like warming the fascia of the oral tie and doing the stretch and it's more like five or six sessions of that alongside craniosacral and that I think I'm always a fan for more subtle things to the body and allowing the body to kind of have the right to leave the way. I kind of feel like it's like a child, like I don't know how your children were or are. But yeah, I feel like if I say, hey, let's go do something, my son's like no, that's just this immediate response. It has to register that he even wants to and then he can decide and otherwise it's just not happening. So I love it when people are like oh well, what happens if you just don't? I'm like you see, he either is going to do something because he wants to or not. And so it's been a creative process of how can I make?
Speaker 2:him feel like this is in his best interest. So he wants to. And with the body it's kind of like that too, in a way of like how can I subtly listen and allow the body to know that there's room here so that it can expand to its full capacity, be able to have the full flow that it needs for its nervous system without it recoiling, and I think that's a big thing? I had a massage this last two weeks ago. This person's normally fantastic Look. Everyone has off days. You know how you have somebody who can work with you and you suddenly just feel like they're not present with you. That's how it felt that day, like you can just tell.
Speaker 1:And that was one of you were receiving a massage or you were giving a massage.
Speaker 2:No, I don't do massage, I don't give massages. I was, yeah, on the receiving end, and back in the day I used to love like, oh, just beat me up, like I really want you to get into my muscles.
Speaker 2:Especially once I knew all the muscles, I was like you're not, like how are you? You're not getting in the right spots. And then I realized that my body responds better to that softer, subtle allowance. This person was going a little bit deeper than their usual with me and I was like, okay, I'm going to kind of let it happen, because maybe that's what my body needs today, like I'm one of those that's just going to let it happen. But I could feel my, my fascia like recoiling.
Speaker 2:And I thought you don't feel that and I thought this is the difference. So, um, you know, and it's just a matter of always refining that too and just coming into presence of like, is this practitioner the one that's going to be able to work for me? Are they going to be able to listen to what my body's needing in this ebb and flow state? Because that's the most important part and that was one of the biggest things that I learned when I learned about craniosacral. The first book I ever read from John Upledger was talking about your inner physician and that being what is speaking and leading the way.
Speaker 2:And, just like you know, I was going to mention before I liken this so much to talk therapy for the body, because we don't always know where to start. Right, and I think that was the biggest part with my healing is that there was such compounded stuff that, like I knew that what was going on had to be based on that, but like, where do I begin and how do I start unpacking that? And I don't want to dig this up and talk about what I do know Right, but my body was able to talk about things that it was holding on to and I was able to start to heal in like fast fashion and I'm like, oh my God, and same thing with babies they can't talk.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Same thing with my nonverbal children that I'm working with they can't speak, but their body can. And you have to be able to find somebody who can listen to what your body is saying and lead the way, because it does have a story to tell and it's going to tell you like, hey, this is where, when you're working with babies, like they will tell you like Nope, you're not getting in my mouth today, like you can't just make that happen.
Speaker 1:If.
Speaker 2:I'm stretching with infants, I'm doing more stretches and stuff like that too. Um, and I mean, if they're not having it, I'm not forcing it, like, sometimes they're really restricted and it's very hard to get into certain positions. I'll show the parents and do what I can and I'll do more of the subtle cranial work because I realize at that point the stretches they're not ready for. They will tell me and I tell the parents, if you go home with these stretches and they're not, don't do it, because I mean, think about it. If you're trying to stretch your body and you're fussy, you're holding them upside down and they're like, yeah, that's the opposite of what you want, but it's just. Yeah, it's not just a one size fits all. You have to be able to work with each stage of the body as you're going through.
Speaker 1:I love that and I would love to because it came about when you were explaining all of that. But car seats, let's talk about what I mean. My son is five and I still have him in like a seat yeah, because I feel like the the harness is safer than a seat belt, so but he's also very tall and 50 pounds now so it's like what is this like?
Speaker 2:it's just so restrictive, like so I think as they get older it's not quite as bad but like there's some parents who have babies I mean, this is where I'm thinking about it in particular so they're coming out of the womb, they're restricted from having been curled up right, and now it's time like a caterpillar, like they're gonna come out and like stretch out. But we've got them swaddled and we have them bundled up because we want to, and we've got them in their little rockers and their chairs and car seats and they're just not able to get that full stretch and so without that happening, then they're just going to stay restricted and so oftentimes you'll find that those babies, they're colicky, they are crying their heads off in the car seat. It's not a gripe water situation. We didn't know. We were like more gripe water, right. It's not a gripe water situation. We didn't know we were like more gripe water, right.
Speaker 1:What even is gripe water? I?
Speaker 2:don't even know. We were like it's fine, you know, or you know it's just teething. But that's the other thing too. When they're teething, all of those cranial bones are moving too. So this work helps with all of that and it just helps with the fascia just kind of relax and go. We're meant to do this.
Speaker 1:We got this, you know, right, it's interesting because, intuitively, after both my babies were born, I was always I don't know if it's just like history with like gymnastics, but I always felt like like they need to open, like I always tried to like like do their arms wide and over their heads. I love that Because it's like I know how good it feels. I mean think about when you first wake up in the morning. It feels good to stretch.
Speaker 2:Think of how intuitive that is.
Speaker 1:Right, and it's like you just know that there are little bodies need to be stretched the other way. Yeah, it's plus strength. I mean, that's, I think, the purpose of tummy time, right when tummy time came from. But it's so much to our chest and our sternum being alive and free when it comes to our breathing and our diaphragm, and we touched on diaphragm a little bit last time but it's so important and it's so good for their reflexes, we neglect our diaphragm.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, and that's one of the most intensely used muscles in everyone's body, just like we were talking about earlier, about how nobody taught us to like be proprioceptive and like oh, if our bodies are feeling this, it might mean this, and maybe I'm hungry or thirsty or um need to rest or you know, nobody taught us how to cue into these things and same thing. Nobody's taught us how to breathe. Nobody's taught us how to use our tongue properly. Like myofunction. I am so painfully aware of how much I need a myofunctional therapist I can't even so, this is probably going to bring in. You should probably have someone who does that.
Speaker 1:It'll bring in a lot of business for them.
Speaker 2:I have someone because the thing is it's hard to follow this up with that, it is because it's all interconnected.
Speaker 2:And if you're not going to work with just the expander, because you need to be able to help the nervous system with it and they need to be able to get use of their tongue properly.
Speaker 2:The tongue is the natural palate expander Most of us are. If we are tethered, can't get your tongue up there. So you know, when you've got babies with like high and narrow palates which is going right up into their nose but then they can't even reach it because you know, and then if they're thumb sucking or you know, then they're just right, they're forming. They're forming the mouth in a certain way and a lot of that is because they still are looking for a way to pump that CSF and the tongue naturally being suctioned up there is going to cue the brain or, you know, in the body to do the pumping of the CSF. So if the kids are not able to do that or if their tongue is low, sitting on the floor of their mouth, most of the time they might choose to bite fingers, stick pens in their mouths. Maybe they're not thumb sucking at 14, but they're doing other things that are key indicators. Yeah, it's not necessarily a nervous system Like, oh, they're just nervous. I was told I was just nervous, biting my fingers all the time.
Speaker 2:Now I'm like my tongue sits on the floor of my mouth all the time. You know, I don't know why I don't have more of that like mouth, breathing, looking face, because there is something that happens with that.
Speaker 1:Oh, what does the mouth breathing face look like? I'll have to show you. I'm going to put it up on the screen.
Speaker 2:You know, it typically has a different forward growth.
Speaker 1:So a lot of times, like the chin grows down the nose will like like napoleon dynamite kind of okay. Yeah, like kind of like open all the time. Okay, there's just a look I always make my shapes like they call it, mouth. I feel like have you. Do you ever do mouth taping? So I don't. What is your?
Speaker 2:thought on that. I have mixed feelings on it.
Speaker 1:I think I'm like I think it's a good thing if you know your tongue.
Speaker 2:Like swallowing bugs out in the middle thing if you know your tongue. This is why I tell my son, because he's like I don't care if I mouth breathe. You know we're going through this, and he's like we have to do all these breathing exercises and he's like I don't care, I don't care if I mouth breathe. I'm like, okay, well, spiders crawl in your mouth while you sleep.
Speaker 1:See, that's like a worse fear.
Speaker 2:It's probably because parents were telling us this as kids. No, I don't know, do we? I think? I would feel that. I don't think that's true, anyways, but no, okay. So mouth taping, I think if you know your tongue is able to do what it needs to, um, maybe not as big of a deal for adults but, like I think, for children. It's like this big thing like, oh, just take the kid's mouth, oh God, it seems wonderful, you know, because you're forcing them to mouth breathe. But if you don't know, if they have swollen adenoids or any airway obstruction going on, you could be really putting their body in a lot of fight or flight.
Speaker 1:Fight or flight.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they're already having issues breathing and now you just took out the way that they're compensating Right and you're forcing them to go the way that their body was like. This wasn't working.
Speaker 1:So I would be afraid that my child would go to school Like my mommy tapes my mouth shut at night. Child abuse no, that can be viewed a lot of different ways. It can. I was thinking more for myself. But that's kind of funny. It made me chuckle because my son would totally go to school and tell everyone.
Speaker 2:I know of course it would be like oh my goodness, oh my gosh yeah.
Speaker 1:So I have a question for you because I know I've had a lot of friends and different adenoids and tonsils and so for those kids who get chronic tonsillitis or chronic throat stuff, can you fill us in on what kind of that might be caused, from what some of the root?
Speaker 2:So I'm still learning, okay, okay, but this is where I'm at with it as of right now. Um, I believe that if your child is mouth breathing, that is probably the biggest root of why we're looking at adenoids being swollen. Now, there are some people that may disagree with me on that and, again, I'm still learning. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's your perspective.
Speaker 2:But you know, you've got to figure if you're all the time Now. Granted, it could be possible too that like, maybe your baby has swollen adenoids and stuff from birth and like I mean, unless you're checking it, how would you know? So it's kind of like chicken or egg thing at this point. But I'm just imagining if you're coming out of the womb and now all of a sudden you're breathing air and we know that there could be things in the air dust, pollen, if you have any animals, dander, whatever you're breathing all of that through your mouth. Like I remember learning oh, if you're on an airplane, breathe through your nose, because you have hairs in your nose which are a filter, so that you know.
Speaker 2:But you don't have that right. So, like people who are having chronic things go on back there. I just happen to think that between the lack of moisture because the mouth is dry now and then just possibly those things they could just be having, chronic allergens basically, that are keeping that from being smaller. Now, if they have obstruction in their airway, that's also going to affect their adenoids and things can't drain properly, it's going to affect the adenoids. Now sometimes you can correct the airway and the adenoids will go down. But if a child and I just had this talk with a myofunctional therapist up in Boston a couple of weeks ago, so I think she's one that believes that it's not, it's just if you're, if your child, you know, because nobody wants to go and chop off their child's like anything.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants to go and just like OK, we need to remove the adenoids.
Speaker 2:They're not doing that as much as they used to because their filters and everything else and people are concerned about that being an effect on the immune system, about that being an effect on the immune system. But I was looking up the other day because some kids, if they're having chronic issues and they've gone through an expansion, sometimes it's still not solving the issue. Now what? Well, at that point maybe you have to go ahead and get rid of them because they're becoming no by expansion what do you mean?
Speaker 2:A palate expansion? So if that palate is expanded and now that's not going up into the nose and things are able to drain properly those adenoids, may you know, because you've got to figure, if you were to look at the airway going down, if the adenoids are swollen they're making that like this. So if you can get everything to get bigger, the adenoids may naturally go down. That's what you'd like to see.
Speaker 2:If it's not happening, like if you have a child with pandas, like sometimes they've originally had strep and then that can kind of like reoccur with things. I think that it might be possible that kids that have pandas have more reoccurring issues within the body and you're not finding a way to be able to help it through these other therapies. You know it might be time to go ahead and look at removing them. The thing is is that I guess as they get older it becomes, you know, a little bit more of a risky procedure for them because the scar tissue and all of that. So I think regardless.
Speaker 1:That's why they do it when they're young, because the older they get, the harder it is to recover.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's important, no matter what, if you are going to do that, to have craniosacral along with it, because, again, it's helping the nervous system recover, you're helping the trauma of what you know had to be done. But yeah, I'm still learning with all of that and I I would hope that we don't have to do the adenoid removal and that this whole expansion process can allow that to be. You know the case. But the myofunctional therapist I met with the other day told me that was not the case with her child and they still had to do, you know, removal.
Speaker 1:So, and I think it's just case by case. And again, like just knowing advocating and asking the questions that fit for you and your family, because it works for yourself, maybe different than mine. You know what for you and me and I think that's a huge takeaway here is yes, we feel like it's beneficial for everyone. However, the approach is different and it may need other support type therapy.
Speaker 2:Right. I think that's the biggest thing is that that's maybe like even with tongue ties, like maybe perhaps people are being told, you know, go get the tongue tie, revision or oral time revision done, they're not being told to follow it up with body work. And I think that is a huge like. What's the point?
Speaker 1:You know I think that that's a big thing. I don't think that's like a neglect thing. I think that you know a lot of Western medicine doctors that are trained in certain specific areas. They know their specific area.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean because we can't all know everything, and this is the point of doing all this right so we can educate people, because we might have an ENT that listens to this and is like, wow, I'm going to really understand more about this. So I think that also having an open mind and presenting these things and these opportunities and the things that you hear about to your practitioners and to the doctors that you're seeing or the therapists that you're seeing, and all of these because there is this beautiful kind of rotation of things that you can do that all support each other.
Speaker 1:And it's not like a one size fits all or I'm just going to go do this, one of the big things. I mean I have probably half a dozen, if not a dozen, friends that have gotten explant surgery in the past I don't know five years. I mean it's really because they're realizing their bodies just weren't handling it the way they were when they got them 10 or 20 years ago and whatnot.
Speaker 1:But like, okay, you can get the surgery, but the emotional and the physical and the releasing of everything else that goes along with everything else why did you get them in the first place too?
Speaker 2:I think back to when I was like, really, really like I'm gonna go get those done and I'm thankful now because we're going through this journey of all the you know years of, and I'm like I don't think that I mean just my body didn't do well with my ears getting pierced when I was younger like I can wear earrings now but for years, like my body was super sensitive to fake jewelry, just all sorts of different things.
Speaker 1:Right, and now I turn green for my real gold rings. I'm like, what is this? I took it to the jeweler and they're like your body just doesn't respond well to whatever the copper over the whatever mixed with the gold is. And I'm like, oh wow, so what is going on inside my body? Because I have all these piercings, I'm like, oh wow, so what's going on inside?
Speaker 2:my body right, all these piercings. I'm like, oh my gosh, yeah, but I just don't think it would have been a good idea for me. I think I would have been one of those that was suffered like greatly, you know, from it and um, yeah, just, I think the emotional component of like did you do it? Some, some did, some did do it for themselves, but some you know, it's like a tied up component thing.
Speaker 1:It's like that's emotional too, don't? Do you see people for that, like I haven't?
Speaker 2:seen anybody, for okay, I don't know why it just popped up for me, so that would be, I'd love to.
Speaker 1:I have not feel like it's such a a it's such a vulnerable surgery. Yeah be, you know there's scars involved and as females. We, you know, I think we're hypersensitive to having the scars and the marks on our bodies and, you know, just being comfortable because you hold on to that. Like with every physical scar, there's emotional, you know I got melanoma anchor place it is. It's an easy anchor place for other things to kind of stick and drain into. So I don't know, I just felt like that was worth. It just came to me.
Speaker 2:No, definitely I mean.
Speaker 1:I feel like it would be so beneficial after that. It's such a good point.
Speaker 2:It's such a good point Cause, yeah, scar tissue stuff it's such a big deal, Like I think about that with women who've had C-sections.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've had a C-section, so there's not many women that are being told that they need to do aftercare with their scar tissue there and it's like, well, that's even things that can be like premature aging signs, that can literally just be because your fascia is restricted from your C-section scar. Like that it's not crazy to think of. We're just starting to connect the dots and it's starting to make a whole lot more sense to a lot more people. So I think that that's one of the reasons that this modality is picked up too is because we're starting to listen to our bodies more and realize that there's a language being spoken there, that there's, you know, things that we're listening to now that we weren't before.
Speaker 1:Our body is a whole unit right fluid. It's like you know, and it's not like chopped up into little pieces and so if you think, about it and the way that we've structured society. There's doctors for every little piece.
Speaker 2:There's you know, you know, and it's like well like, but it's all one.
Speaker 1:You know, if I break my finger that's definitely going to affect everything in my forearm. Everything in my forearm is going to affect everything in my tricep and my shoulder.
Speaker 2:You know, it's just like it just kind of and there's an emotional reason like why did that happen on that finger, I know.
Speaker 1:Like you know I'm like all in the Louise Hay books.
Speaker 2:I know I'm like right in the Louise Hay book Me too and German New Medicine, like all of that stuff, is so fascinating to me because it all makes so much sense happen, which I think is why people begin to experience not only like healing and natural down regulation, but also like these are the things, I think, that really connected us with our I am-ness and who we really are, which allows us to set the boundaries. We need to not be at the job that doesn't work out for us anymore. Don't have the fake friendships. Don't say yes when you want to say no. You know nobody else is going to know A what you're feeling inside, so they're not going to be able to advocate for you like you can't.
Speaker 2:So if you are not again like that little child we were talking about advocating for that little child, who else is? And your body listens to every time that you say not right now, and it's no different than your child deciding like I don't want to be friends with you after I turn 18. Cause, every time that I needed you, you told me not right now. And that's what we're hopefully learning to teach our children differently about is tending to those feelings, and it's okay to not say yes to everything and to take a break and not do everything the way that everyone else is doing it and create your own way. I think that's a big thing. Right now, too, so many people are caught up in like I need to. You know, live a certain way, do things a certain way.
Speaker 1:They're caught up in a lot of you know the energy of certain things, external validation and like to your point when we stop seeking the external because we feel at peace internally. We value that internal peace so much that it makes all of the external stuff just what it is, which is none of our business.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, and your inner reflection starts to make it where what you see outwardly is, you know, responding back to what you believe. So, if you think that like the world is, you know, chaotic and funky and you're involved in everybody else's stuff, like that's all you're thinking about, you're really harboring, like a lack of looking at your own stuff.
Speaker 2:And if we can go in and just go. No, I'm just going to focus to my own terrain, to my own, like you know, grassroots area. What can we actually impact, instead of getting caught up in this energy of like all these other things that are not really a part of our lives and we're carrying all of this, instead of letting it just kind of like flow through? I think sometimes, when people have more gunk in the system, like you were talking about.
Speaker 2:It's a lot easier for all of that transmission of frequency that's going through, especially right now, to get stuck in people.
Speaker 1:And sometimes it's hard to face it and we don't want to look at what's going on inside. So that's why we project everything outward A hundred percent, and so then it's like, okay, well, but why are you doing that? And it doesn't have to be this, but why are you doing that and it doesn't?
Speaker 2:have to be this, like I'm going all in. It's like layer by layer.
Speaker 1:Like if you have a you know, a friend's outing that you have scheduled into and this is one thing I actually feel like I've been getting much better at and even with podcasting and schedule and whatever, like I'll have things in my calendar, sometimes a month, two months out, but if it doesn't feel right coming up to time, I will gladly be like, hey, I'm not feeling it this week.
Speaker 2:Like, let's do it another time. And people appreciate it, they love it, and they're like, oh my God, me either. Yes, like we gave permission for everybody. It's like, oh my God, thank God, I knew it. And how many times have we continuously rippled out this like unconscious crap web of weaving, where we're just all doing things that we didn't really want to do and we're all showing up to things we don't really want to be at, like that's the most inauthentic thing we could possibly be doing. And what is that creating?
Speaker 1:and it's not serving anyone else there like, if you're going to events and you're, you know, yes, of course you have obligations. You have things that come up in your life where it's like okay, I need to like. Sometimes you know things come up and I'm like all right, I need to center myself. And so what I have when I'm in those situations is I will have a little powwow, a self powwow like okay, bring it on a bright light. I'm going to visualize myself. You know, I'm just going to be present.
Speaker 1:I don't want to sit there and be where I was yesterday in my mind or where I need to be tomorrow, and someone was talking to me about anxiety and they were like I just I don't know and I'm like, well for me, and I can only speak for myself, what works is. I just try to be present in my moments right now. We could not have this conversation right now if I was thinking about what happened yesterday or anticipating what's going on tomorrow. And that's the perfect example of just being present and, honestly, this has really allowed me the opportunity to practice presence more.
Speaker 1:You know whether it's like playing a silly dragon game with my son or even just being alone with myself reading a book. I've been trying to force myself not force, but push myself into more of that realm, because sometimes when I'm at home, I will do, do, do and not take time to just be. And so it's like, yes, there's plenty to do always, but I don't always have to do it. And giving ourselves permission to not always have to do it, always have to do it Right.
Speaker 2:And giving ourselves permission to not always have to do it yes, yeah and to be able to delegate, so that you can like delegate where you can you know if you can, where you can, so that you can have that space to pour back into yourself. And it's funny you mentioned the anxiety, because I was literally sitting over there before you came in and I'm like, why do I have anxiety about today? Like we've done this before, but I did. And it's just like, instead of judging myself and getting myself all ramped up, and then you show up and maybe, like I decided I was going to tap, I'm like why did I take so long to do this? So I sat there and tapped and it's like that is one of my favorite go-to things and it's one of the simplest things that sometimes even I forget. That can just bring me not only into that present moment, but allow me to be able to go. I that present moment, but allow me to be able to go.
Speaker 1:I'm feeling this way and this is true and I'm also capable of doing this and I love myself regardless of feeling this way and like that's okay, and I literally did one round and was like ah, I'm good and we're going to spell your name right on the ones that go out this time, because we had them wrong on the first episode. So demonstrate for me if you don't mind what tapping is.
Speaker 2:Tell us like where, all right. So, um, so tapping is emotional freedom techniques. So, for those that are listening that don't know what that is, um, basically based on the science that we have acupressure meridian points, and these are also areas where, like you had mentioned before, with scar tissue, these are areas where neural clusters of beliefs and thoughts and feelings can kind of just sit and form and this creates the strong neural pathways that we have that help us go through and create the same things that we do on a daily basis. Sometimes that serves us, sometimes it doesn't. So it's up to us to be conscious and present with that. And when we're acknowledging these emotions, I think that's probably the biggest thing. So many of us, again, not right now, like if we felt embarrassed, if we felt sad, if we felt angry. Not right now, I mean, there's reasons for some of that, right, but if you don't tend to that later, where does it go? And I mean that's sad, like so many of us have done that for so long. So tapping allows you to be able to not only acknowledge the feelings that you're feeling but then also go through and give yourself the love and permission and acceptance to be in that place so it allows those neural clusters to actually break up and new pathways of thought to form, so that way we can actually change those limited beliefs and feelings that are kind of keeping us in those looped behaviors.
Speaker 2:So sometimes this can be used for trauma. I mean you literally can go like a computer system and like be like I don't even know what the hell I'm so angry about and use it to be like why am I so angry? And go through the different spots. I've done heavy work like that but I've also used it for just quick rounds of like anxiety. So as an example earlier I was sitting at the table and you always start with like your karate chop point so you just kind of get yourself in a rhythm, kind of just let your body know like we're about to do this, and the first thing that you'll mention is like even though I'm feeling X, y, z. So in my case, like even though I'm feeling so anxious right now, I completely and deeply love, honor and accept myself, love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like affirmation.
Speaker 2:Yes, but it's also like you know, I'm allowed to feel this and it's okay, instead of just like I'm mad and like cause sometimes I can only do so much. So then from here, um, you'll go from a uh right above the eyebrow and I might you know I'm so anxious.
Speaker 1:Does it matter which side?
Speaker 2:No, you could actually do both, but it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:So not in the middle of your third eye.
Speaker 2:No, it's going to be right above your eyebrow. You know this anxiety.
Speaker 1:This feels good.
Speaker 2:It does right.
Speaker 2:You could even just do this and it feels good, you know this anxiety is rising in my chest, so right on your cheekbone, right under your nose, and even though I feel this anxiety, I completely and deeply love, honor and accept myself. And then, like your chin, I'm starting to feel lighter. This anxiety is okay. I'm allowed to feel this anxiety so right on your sternum or your chest, right under your um collarbone and then along the side of your rib cage. I choose to let this go top of the head. I don't actually even have anything to say there. But but you can, you know, sometimes you just, you know, go through. So I mean, the scripts will change just based on how you're feeling.
Speaker 1:So it's not like I feel like it's one of those things that intuitive, you just allow what to come up. Yes, exactly, I think it's just. One of the biggest things is, I know it's really good.
Speaker 2:It's really good if you're able to like rate where you're at beforehand, like if you're feeling a certain way, yeah, and then just be able to see where you're at and see, do you need to go through? Because sometimes you may need to do like five or six rounds and it feels so silly, especially when you are like pissed off or you're trying to go through like trauma stuff. Like I can remember sitting with my therapist being like this is stupid, I'm not doing this with you. What is this gonna do?
Speaker 2:yeah, and then I would leave and I was like, oh my gosh, it actually made such a big difference in my healing that that's why I went and learned this, you know, years ago. And I just include it because I think it's something that, yeah, not everybody knows. It can just like quickly deescalate, you can give acknowledgement to what you're feeling. You don't have to push it down. I mean, if you can't do it in the moment, you at least know you can do it later.
Speaker 1:But in the moment is like the best you know. It just came up for me. You know. It's interesting how when kids, sometimes, when they get frustrated, they hit themselves or they bang, or they or they like do something destructive to get that.
Speaker 2:The energy out the energy out. Yeah, and.
Speaker 1:I know I've done it because I learned it. So I try to carry it on with my kids, but like little guy, like having a little butterfly wings if he gets upset. It's so good for you.
Speaker 2:I just be like oh myself.
Speaker 1:I'm a pretty butterfly or whatever you want to say, but very similar, but just you know different and more like scale to kids. But I love that technique and especially for those. I mean even ourselves, if we feel like we want to get physical or just need one of those people that like needs to get the energy out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, feel it surging through my body. Oh, my son just got a big punching like, oh my gosh, it's like all day, every day, it's like pow and I'm like God, we've been needing this because it's like for him, it's like he just you know, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love that. So one thing that we touched on before um, we even did our episode that we wanted to touch on because I know that I have experienced the hypermobility because we had in our last episode we talked about. You know, our bodies are not supposed to be clumsy Like there's something behind that. So let's talk about hypermobility and how that affects us and how that really, like you know, helps, or yes, let's just, let's go.
Speaker 2:All right. So again, I'm still learning about this, but I just I mean, I just discovered that, like I'm, I'm really hypermobile. I mean I went to a yoga class like several years ago and she's actually a local yoga therapist here and I remember her being like, yeah, I noticed you were hypermobile in class because, like I just was like, oh, I can get into these positions Easy peasy, like I'm super flexible Always been I am but the problem is is that my muscles are the second thing getting that stretch. My ligaments and tendons and things are getting that stretch first. And that's a problem because sometimes those things need to stay where they are so that I can hold my body upright.
Speaker 2:And for that reason, hypermobile people um, you know they're, they're learning that their connective tissue is more sensitive. They tend to be more prone to things like MCAS, so that's mass cell activation syndrome, where we all have mast cells, so M-A-S-T mast cells, and they could be triggered by histamine responses. And so when people have, I mean it could be fermented foods for some people. But I have found that if their system is super dysregulated and they have a connective tissue disorder like hypermobility or something that's like actually what do they call it. It's beyond hypermobility, it's actually like a diagnosis for it. I can't think of it right now, but you know, if they're having any of those things, they're more prone to their bodies being more sensitive to histamines or reactions etc. Which can turn into POTS flare-ups or, you know, show up as mood swings or you know they just have to like, tend to their bodies differently.
Speaker 2:So I love following these accounts that on Instagram that talk about how to you know how to help your body if you're hypermobile, you know, just noticing that like I can't stand without locking my knees, you know this is-.
Speaker 1:Oh, I can't stand without my hips popping out Every time I post something like that.
Speaker 2:You're like this is me. Oh, I can't stand without my hips popping out Every time I post something like that.
Speaker 1:you're like, this is me. Yeah, I know, I'm like me too, I'm learning it. It's true, though, like I find that I stand and like poke my hip out, but when I do that, like my actual hip comes out.
Speaker 2:Right, because I've done years of.
Speaker 1:Pilates and like really fine tuning those muscles, it's not as bad. But if I did not and I remember the doctor told me that when I was very young like you have to continue doing what you're doing, so everything will stay in place, because otherwise my hips go like I have this anterior pelvic tilt I'm just like a very lax, mostly in my hip girl, but like my shoulders.
Speaker 1:When I was a kid I could do this thing with my arms, and my scapula would just pop all the way out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did I do that?
Speaker 2:I'm like well, we'd be cutting party tricks. You know, we were like look what I can do, I'm winged. Yeah, so many things. Or you know like normal, or what is that?
Speaker 1:thing, even my arm, when I put it out like it totally. Now I know you have to do extra work because otherwise it'll.
Speaker 2:Every time I'm in Pilates she's like okay, like you know, especially because, like, having done years of body work, my wrists and stuff, and because I'm hypermobile and I didn't know it, my wrists and stuff have taken a big brunt of a lot of my work and so when I'm doing certain Pilates positions, I'm like trying to hold my you know, like I don't. Having my hands open can sometimes be hard. So I'm like can I put my hands like that? She's like, yeah, but then your elbows are out Like she's a kind of like turn. You know, it's like I have to relearn how to reorganize the muscles in my body so that when I'm working out I'm doing the right things. And I think that's tying back into your thing about the diaphragm. Those that are hypermobile are not breathing right and their accessory muscles are what are picking up the primary muscles job.
Speaker 2:So we're like over here, especially if you have airway issues right your scalenes, you know traps, and then the diaphragm is not moving, and so that was one of the biggest things I noticed after I got sick.
Speaker 2:I became like concave, almost Like one. I had lost so much weight that it was like my stomach hurt all the time and I was just nauseous. So I was in that like beetle, like curling in position, but between that and then just not breathing right, I just became like it was hard for me to stand up straight. It literally would hurt my diaphragm when I was in my major flare-ups. To stand up straight, it would make me really nauseous, and that to me now I'm like such restrictions going on I mean it's now so loud to me and so I think for people who are hypermobile one, we need to learn how to use our bodies properly, and I think a lot of us can benefit from this really really subtle work. But we also need to be really careful because certain things can be not as subtle and they can send people right into flare-ups or do the opposite of the healing that you're looking to get.
Speaker 1:And I think that it's really important for the hypermobility to find someone to work with you individually before you go and do mass things. I know that was actually what inspired me to become a personal trainer years and years and years ago. Is I remember, like people wouldn't, like, you know, they weren't hearing me when I was saying, well, I can't, you know, front squats feel better because something on the back of my, you know, on the like, with the bar on the back of my neck like I don't move that way.
Speaker 1:So I have to have it on the front to balance that curvature and it took a few very intentional trainers to hear me and understand that. But if you're taking these mass classes or crossfitting and you know things, that just really, if you do have that hypermobility really like Pilates, is huge for me and not necessarily running anymore.
Speaker 1:I do more of the like. I still love a good cycle class because my body can handle running like it used to, because I just try to be a little bit easier on it these days. But I know from doing that if I'm in the cycle position I need to go, and the next day I need to do something that's going to do the opposite. You know, if it's all posterior one day, it needs to be more anterior.
Speaker 2:And I think that's a good point. You just brought up, too, crossfit. I remember when I did massage therapy. I'm like there's no way that the hyperextension and this might piss off a lot of your CrossFit people but I just remember thinking like there's no way that the hyperextension of the wrist, like that and the way that they would, is good. Now listen.
Speaker 2:I think that maybe obviously there are some people that can do it. But I am just curious do those people have they later realized that they're hypermobile? Have they noticed any connection with their health? That seemed to be kind of like out of nowhere. Because I think the thing is is that, for those of us that are not aware that we're hypermobile, we can push ourselves to do things that we think we're supposed to because everybody else is doing it and we think we're doing it the right way, but maybe the person isn't looking to see that we're not doing it. You know, and so we're doing all the right moves and it looks right, but we're not using the right muscles to do it, or we're relying on our ligaments.
Speaker 1:I was finding like, well, I don't feel it where you're saying I'm supposed to be feeling it because my body's pulling up the wrong pulling a different way, or my hamstrings are super tight and my hip flexors are super, you know, and I think that that's what's so interesting about now knowing what I know and all about these different modalities that I've done for myself, it's like gosh.
Speaker 1:I wish I knew all of this when I was the 20 year old trader and like I heard about so many more resources that I would have been able to like add so much more just by understanding more of the connective tissues.
Speaker 2:Yes, and the compensation patterns? Right, Because that's what it was. You just did years of compensation patterns and you just don't realize it until you're like what?
Speaker 1:Even like postpartum compensation, right, and actually that's one thing that I think is worth touching on too, like postpartum, a woman's body, you know. I mean, like I said, we have a new puppy.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm going through postpartum emotionally just not physically, thank goodness, but you know I've had friends that have had pretty much back to back to back to back children for years, and it's like let's talk about exactly like, how long, realistically, does it take for our bodies to come back to, like our fascia, our connective tissue, like all of this like what you're talking about, personal experience, or what the science says all of the above, I think I actually match what science says I think they say somewhere between like four and six years, and I think that's probably accurate.
Speaker 2:So I've wondered that too.
Speaker 1:People are having multiple children accurate, so I've wondered that too.
Speaker 2:People are having multiple children, right, and so I've wondered that too, like I have not had multiple in that period.
Speaker 1:So I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Like it's, you know, but they all seem to be thriving. It's just that I know from a hormonal standpoint and what the body's going through and Um, you know. Obviously that can take a toll on the body, especially when there's um. You know the different emotional components and how much is that mother being held herself and understood. I know, in my postpartum experience, like the very fresh postpartum experience, like I was flabbergasted at the sudden lack of support. It's like you're pregnant and you're like so important.
Speaker 1:We'll do so much for you. Everybody strangers.
Speaker 2:And then everybody drops off and you're like can I get a meal?
Speaker 1:You know, and I think that too, and, knowing myself, it's like I just want to give her space and time. And sometimes we need that. But, do we need that? But I think that that you know from my postpartum experience I didn't know what I needed. Like I remember calling my girlfriend amory and I'm like can you just come hold him? I don't even know like I love him, but I'm snug like him, but I just need someone to hold him so I can sleep.
Speaker 2:And she came over and we just chit chatted the whole time. I don't think I need a five minute interrupted shower person. Yeah, you do, and it's like a body does too. The body just wants somebody to sit with it. Like I can do this. I'm just like I need you to be here with me because it's tough and this is like a calibration experience.
Speaker 1:So how soon after a C-section would you recommend someone doing like the? So they say that scar tissue work should be done like eight weeks postpartum, but I think that's for like actual massage.
Speaker 2:I think that cranios tissue work should be done like eight weeks postpartum, but I think that's for like actual massage. I think that craniosacral can be done right away and would benefit from, you know, an internal fascial perspective that could do so much more than waiting the eight weeks for, you know, like scar tissue work, which to me like sounded like the worst thing. I was like I'm not massaging that, I don't even want to look at it, like I just was.
Speaker 1:So I wasn't expecting to have it, I'd never had a surgery and it was like swollen and I was like I'm like the thought of massaging this just sounds painful, like you, know. No, thank you, I mean. And we, I think, as we downplay what a brutal surgery that really is. Oh yeah, you gotta bounce into it five layers of oh.
Speaker 2:I could feel it too, because they, they didn't numb me enough and I was like I can feel that and they were like you can feel that, okay, and then they put more on and then I couldn't feel it. But you know, I just felt like immense pressure is what it felt like.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's weird how the body like burst to even an epidural like I could still feel that. I don't know if it's my metabolism or no it.
Speaker 2:No, it's probably hypermobility. I'm telling you, they're even starting to notice that people who are hypermobile are more like Same with dental stuff.
Speaker 2:Psychic and telepathic, and yes, because we're just more sensitive. Yeah, so I think there's a lot more to learn when it comes to that and to discover and talk about. But I always say like I feel like we are the original technology and I'm not saying that I think that hypermobility is like the original way we should be, but I do think that sensitive way of being where we do feel at all, where we, you know, I think that it's just that we're so overloaded with all these other things and we've been living as a society in a certain way for so long that we're like that's the norm, but like I don't know that that is the norm, I feel like our being able to I think we're really breaking out at that generation, I think so Totally, and we're doing it in different ways.
Speaker 1:I think we're doing it because, as parents, we're seeing it within our children.
Speaker 2:Like.
Speaker 1:I had this my son just started a new school. I think our guys started the same day different schools, which is cool, but they were like a month later than everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and I went to parent night. I cried like four times because the theme behind it is, you know, we are instead of teachers being instructors that are giving information and testing on it, which creates I mean, what does that do? It creates competition within the structure of the room, which, you know, everyone wants to get the best grade or whatever. And I'm like that's such a small and I tell my kids this all the time such a small measure of like something you can memorize or your intelligence, yeah.
Speaker 1:However, if you're put in an environment where you are, you have guides that are assisting you into leading these challenges and working together as a group and collaborating on things. Then you come up with the answer or the solution as a unit and you really learn how to thrive. And I'm like why haven't we been doing this? This makes so much more sense, because how are you supposed to work together and have the synergy together and have the sense of community if you're constantly competing with each other all the time? Right? So I really and relying on yourself, and relying on yourself and doing it and just and pushing away how it makes you feel just to get to the end result.
Speaker 2:That's what I was just going to say.
Speaker 1:Right, and that's the thing it's like when we are-.
Speaker 2:Well, Joey's doing it, so I must be able to do it.
Speaker 1:Or we're reward-based Like well, I want the pizza party, or I want the book, whatever the book fair, I want this. It's like well. But then we lose sight of what it is we're actually doing and why we're doing it and that's the whole purpose.
Speaker 2:I was just discussing this with someone earlier too. But if, like, you're not actually earning it from a place of like actually feeling, like it's this authentic vibes and like what is the purpose of that, it needs to have more to it, otherwise you're probably flying through it pretty quickly because it's not giving you any type of meaning, and I think that that is a different vibrational place that just takes like a little, a little bit of cycling through going through this life to get to, of realizing we don't have to do it the way that they all do it and we can create our own way of doing things. We don't have to beat ourselves into the ground just because that's what it looks like everyone else is doing to achieve and that that's discipline. And no, how about rest and integration and like literally having space for creativity? You know, I mean, that was a big reason why I started painting, was that I just needed, like, this outlet of fun and joy and it's like, yeah, it's interesting to have and I feel like it's shifting in that direction again.
Speaker 1:I think that we've really come to a place where, okay, 99.9% of people are dysregulated in some sort of way. In some sort of way whether it's just a drive, or maybe it's constantly, who knows but it's like realizing that, yes, we may have more and we may have all of these access to everything, but there's also the overstimulation that goes with that. And so, getting back to I don't know, maybe it's just what I follow online, but I feel like my entire feed on all social media is like farms and people walking barefoot and people doing soundbite.
Speaker 2:You've curated your feed. I love it. I've curated my feed. Yes, that's how it needs to be, especially the past.
Speaker 1:Last week was a super heavy week. I mean, not only did we start with the full, crazy full moon, then we had, like the 999 portal, like the release of all the things and then all the things that happened that week in society, like we are not meant to take this all on and so setting boundaries for yourself on like you don't have to absorb it all, you don't have to expose yourself to it all. You can put your phone away and go put your feet in the grass or go play with your kid in the bathtub or you know. Just get back to the simpler ways of being, like go bake something. You know creativity can come out a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that one of the most important things to right now for a lot of people, because that might seem like they're bypassing or they're ignoring or they're numbing, and I think that the best integration tool that we can remember is that there's that micro and macro, and if we can focus on one, what we're giving our attention to is a source of energy, right, and it's feeding something.
Speaker 2:It's funny you go through and you open your Instagram and you have a feed You've curated your feed to be a certain way, but some of us don't and have this feed of information that we're then open without boundaries to realizing how much then that's taking from us, from our empathy, from for things that we can't do anything about. Now, I understand having that empathy and we can have that, but I think it's really important for people to kind of be in that Eagle's perch to see what's going on, but not be so wrapped up in the situation that we can't use the power of what we have for what could be creating something new, instead that being leaked out to finish creating what we don't want, because we do have the power to help continue to create something better, and what we can see is allowing us to say I don't want that and we can just focus on what we do want in our small grassroots your family your community.
Speaker 2:What can you actually impact? Your own inner field, your energetic field? What are you putting out? Because your helpless, hopeless frequency is not helping?
Speaker 1:And it's taking from you and also, if you don't have those things, manifest what you do have. Not that you have to think of it as an envious perspective, but like mirror neurons I was actually just talking to my daughter about this today mirror neurons are real. We have studied this a lot in my trauma and resiliency trainings, especially for empathetic people. If I am constantly thinking about the people I want to help, or what's wrong with people or what's wrong with the world, that is all I'm going to see, that is all I'm going to feel.
Speaker 2:It's all you're going to focus on. I am literally going to feel sick inside.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's what your energy is feeding. And if you?
Speaker 2:have gone through anything autoimmune and if you have gone through anything autoimmune past surgeries, different cancer it is so important for you to not leak out your energy in those ways because you already have areas where it could leak easily and you need to keep those things protected and keep your energetic field, remembering that you can have impact for positive change that you want to see when you're not depleted by empathetically absorbing everything else around you.
Speaker 1:And it really it does. It starts in your own nervous system and starts with your own mindset and like just know that you can take control and not even like use the word control. You can empower yourself to make these changes, whether it's something that you're doing with your physical body or your internal body.
Speaker 2:And there's a lot of power to like. I mean, whether you sit in meditation or you're praying like, there is literal heart coherence that we can affect. If you want to be a part of that, I would implore people to spend the time you know, dedicating 10, 20, 30 minutes to that, if that's you know, and then turning that off and moving on, knowing that you've made your impact, you've put in what you know, because that's what we can do, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:Awesome. Oh my gosh, I feel like I could talk to you for another three hours we we're just getting. We're just getting in the goods of things here, I know, but thank you so much for being on today.
Speaker 2:You were wonderful thank you for having me, of course yes, I'm looking forward to it, thank you.