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Alchemizing with Alli Williams

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What if the life you built with grit and structure ended overnight—and the emptiness became your teacher? That’s where our conversation with herbalist and plant medicine facilitator Alli Williams begins: at the moment the athlete identity slipped away and the heart asked for something more human, more fluid, and far more alive.

We go straight into the tender parts: grief as proof of love, the danger of defining ourselves by roles, and the quiet power of letting structure serve rather than suffocate. Alli shares how nature, microdosing, and ritual created nervous system safety when willpower failed, and how depth psychology helped reframe binge cycles and perfectionism as signals, not moral flaws. We explore embodiment as a practice—safety first, then expression—so movement stops being performance and becomes nourishment. Expect tools you can use today: hand-to-heart breathing, inner child play, slow mornings, and the simple question, “What would feed my soul right now?”

Alli also opens up about her offerings: a tailored microdosing protocol that weaves herbs with your constitution and human design; Evolve, an eight-week integration container that moves from body and emotions to subconscious repatterning and spiritual alignment; and one-on-one or group ceremonies for deeper, catalytic work. We talk about her nature-based programs for girls, where social-emotional skills, grounded presence, and authentic connection grow under open skies instead of fluorescent lights.

Sign up now! www.AlchemizewithAlli.com


This conversation is a map for anyone feeling the itch to shed an old skin—athlete, achiever, perfectionist—and step into heart-centered living. It’s permission to slow down, receive support, and trust timing. If your inner coach is loud and harsh, let this be the day you listen to your heart instead.

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Thank you for joining me today. Please know that this podcast and the information shared is not to replace or supplement any mental health or personal wellness modalities provided by practitioners. It’s simply me, sharing my personal experiences and I appreciate you respecting and honoring this space and my guests. If you find my content relatable, please feel free to like, share and subscribe. Have a beautiful day full of gratitude, compassion and unconditional love.

SPEAKER_00:

What's up, you guys? Welcome to this episode of Crystal Clear. We have the beautiful Allie Williams with us today. She is an herbalist, a plant medicine facilitator, a holistic coach, and so much more. So thank you so much for being here with us today.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, thank you. It's such an honor to be here.

SPEAKER_00:

Awesome. So tell us about yourself. Um, you've transformed quite a bit over your lifetime. And um I would just, you know, love to just start there, wherever you want to start. It doesn't have to, you can even go backwards if you want. But um, you have a very beautiful evolutionary journey. And um, I'd love for you to share that with us today.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, thank you. I know when I try to tell like my path, it's always like, oh, this, this, this, I did this, I did this. So let me try to distill it down. Um, I would just say in my core, in my heart, you know, when you have that motive to help people, you know that you were just born to help people in some way. And um, yeah, just speaking to, I guess, what I do for my career. I originally went to school for occupational therapy because I knew that I wanted to help people. Um, but I got like five years in and I was like, I do not want to work in healthcare. Like, I just know myself. That's not me. I know I'm not the traditional route. So um, thankfully, I was able to play overseas um for professional basketball after college. And so I kind of had a little bit of extra time than normal people do to figure it out. So I played professionally for four years. And during that time, I, you know, was just dedicated to the sport, but also knew that it was going to end at some point because I was probably 27, 28 at that time. And when you are done with something like professional sports, you're just done with them. Yeah. Like you can't go back. And so there was a lot of grieving, a lot of transition in that process. Um, but it also gave me the space to do a certification here and go down that rabbit hole, special interests. So I kind of just started to get really into holistic health and um mindfulness. And I was reading books. Luckily, I had a lot of time and the free, you know, free time between practices and games. I was living alone to find, you know, what my gifts are, what my what my calling is. And yeah, it finally ended up doing this, doing that, serving plant medicine. Um, that was something that I've really honestly felt called to in college. I read a lot of books, talked to my advisor about it, but it didn't really come into my radar until I was done with sports. And when um working with the medicine, it was just like I received the message of like, you're supposed to serve this. This is your calling here. And um yeah, since then it's just been, you know, deepening my relationship to all plants and working very closely with herbs, creating products. Um and I think one of my biggest assets is that transformation, that going from a professional athlete, totally losing your entire identity, everything you built your life around, to just doing something completely different. And so I help, you know, I think I specialize with a lot of people in that stage where they know that their job or their career where they're at isn't in alignment with their highest self. And I kind of just walk them through that transition into what they really feel called to do.

SPEAKER_00:

But you hit on something, you lost that identity, like you let that identity go. And that has been one of the biggest shifts for me is to stop identifying with anything. Like I'm really trying to, and you know, and there's roles that we play in life and society in our lives, and we can respect that role as like a function of our life, but it doesn't have to be our identity. Like, if I identify so hardcore as a mom, anything my kids do are gonna rattle my system to the core. And I'm like, no. Yeah, they're beautiful spirits that I had the opportunity to bring into this world. I'm not their anything. Like, if anything, they are my spiritual teachers way more than I've ever been for them. I like to think of it that way anyway. So really peeling back the layers of releasing these different levels of identity. And so, what has that looked like for you over your life? What are some different, you know, things that you've identified with that you're continually evolving through and kind of letting go? And whether it's, you know, we all go through the the child, the adolescent, the, you know, the age groups of it, but then there's student, there's athlete, there's daughter, there's sister, you know, all the things.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, obviously the biggest one has been athlete. I literally was inducted into my county's hall of fame like a year and a half ago. Oh, I came from like a really small town in Pennsylvania. So obviously, like people love sports up there. It was kind of like I was like a big fish in a small pond. And so yeah, I I feel like the biggest thing for me is like releasing the what it, what are people gonna think about me? Like, because it was like, oh, like I'm this perfect, you know, as a as an athlete, you have a perfect persona. I always had to walk the straight narrow, which was a good thing because I stayed on the path. But also people's eyes are on you. So it's not like I could sometimes have kind of a normal social life. Um, so I really had to let go of like that persona of what people expected of me. And it's actually like kind of fuel for me because it is, I I don't know. I guess I have a lot of fire in me that I didn't realize that I did, but it's it's encouraging for me to just put my whole be completely vulnerable and be like, this is me. And you know how it feels to to switch identities and be like, this is what I'm gonna do now, and claim it and have people's eyes be on you. And you know that people are judging you behind the scenes, and you know why? It's because they're afraid to take that leap a lot of the time, or it's because it's a reflection of maybe them playing it small, or they're they're you know, in a place that they don't want to be. Um, so I try to just be it come come at it from a place of inspiration. Right. Like, hey, this is what I've done and this is what I continue to do. And it it's possible for you too. It's possible for all of us. We can all follow that heart's calling. Um but yeah, that's that's probably been the biggest one, and just you know, different roles and and different jobs, um, starting the nonprofit with Danny. Um, that one's been a tough one um to release. But like we were saying, you know, making releasing an actual embodiment thing rather than a concept too. So it's been a lot of of release work, a lot of grieving, which um I feel like is also so much a part of the process, but we don't acknowledge the grief of the identities that we shed.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And I read something the other day, and it has stuck with me, and I've probably repeated it 10 times to myself in out loud sense, is like grief equals love. So when you go through a stage where you're grieving something, that means you really loved that part of it. Like you felt that, you internalized that, and now I'm gonna cry.

SPEAKER_04:

I will do it on day 34 here. So I'm ready to I'm ready to burst.

SPEAKER_00:

But that shit and that hit me hard. Because I'm like, whether you're grieving, like my daughter turned 16 next week. I'm like, what did that happen? And I'm like looking through trying to pick out 16 pictures, and I'm like, I can't. And I'm like, but I'm so thankful for the stage we are in our life now. But like, and understanding that all of these stages we've had, all of these different identities, all these different layers of us have created this beautiful now that we have. Right. The lessons, the hard lessons, the challenges, the blessings, the, you know, but that really stuck with me. It's like grief means that you have loved.

SPEAKER_04:

I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's like, wow. So when you find yourself grieving the loss of, you know, or the the evolution of something changing or rewiring or restructuring, and you know, and I've really tried to set a tone for myself this year to keep it open and let it flow. Yes. Like I am not, and I've never been one to be like, my goal is to do I was very rigid historically, very rigid. Yeah. But now it's like I'm giving myself space to just see where it flows. Yeah. Like even for this podcast, for example. Like, if someone cool comes in and I feel like doing a podcast, okay. But I don't care about releasing a podcast every week. I don't care. Like, I if if there's someone that I feel like the audience that usually tunes in would really appreciate, so be it. But I'm not gonna pressure myself to meet this or to this for likes or this for status. Yeah, I just I feel like those days are so over for me. A hundred percent. Because, like yourself, I was an athlete. I had structure, I had so much structure. It wore me out from like the inside out. But then I had so much identity tied to that structure that I became overstructured in some ways, leading to all kinds of other things, like eating disorders and being obsessive about fitness for the rest of my life because I wasn't necessarily an athlete anymore. And so then then I mean, and yes, I helped myself and a lot of people, and it was a beautiful phase of my life, but that part's all also over. And now it's my turn to just like slow down and nurture in a different way, and you know, it doesn't have to be go hard or go home January. It can be go slow and put your feet in the sand January. So like and I'm honoring that for myself because I feel like in, you know, we can be so vulnerable to societal stuff. And a girlfriend of mine were talking, and we were like, you know, she took a like a month off of social media. She's like, I was able to make because she moved to a different town, she has young kids, she had a small business, so she lived here, she moved there, and she's like, I'm just taking a break. She's like, and in that time frame, I felt so peaceful.

SPEAKER_03:

I can imagine.

SPEAKER_00:

I so peaceful because what do we do when we're looking at something, watching something? We're we're observing, sometimes we're judging, sometimes we're comparing, sometimes we're like all the different things, not consciously necessarily, subconsciously, sometimes consciously. And so, like, how freeing is it to just be like, let's see where it goes. Heck yeah. And I love that. And like, and I feel like you're kind of in that space in your journey where you just have this open, safe container for the people that are working with you and the different ways that they're working with you. And we'll get into more of that because I think a lot of my audience would be very interested in a lot of what you offer. Yeah. And I mean, same for myself with retreats. Like I did a really awesome Sedona retreat last year, and I would love to do another one this year, but I'm not planning it yet. Like, if the, you know, if something comes up where I feel like, ooh, this is the time and the space I want to do this, then it'll happen. Absolutely. It'll happen when it's supposed to happen. But I feel like the more I try to plan ahead, the more of that like underlying turbulence starts to build. And I felt like that's what was happening with me in 2025. Like I was, yeah, I was I was almost getting back to old rigidity patterns of doing things the way I used to do them, but that doesn't work for me anymore.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It doesn't. It doesn't fit. It doesn't work. So let's just shake it off.

SPEAKER_03:

Totally. Yeah, I'm with you 100%. And I think that's the I when I think of like when I'm hearing what you're saying, it's like the feminine. Like in our past, in our sports, and just like society as a whole, it's so hyper masculine, rigidy, put it in a box, name it, control it, force it, prove, strive. And that's a survival like mechanism that's absolutely operating out of survival. And honestly, like a distrust of the universe or source or God or whatever you want to call it. It's a lot of like, I don't trust enough that it's happening for me. And so I have to control it and force it. And yeah, it's beautiful to finally let that go and to surrender to the process of life. Like and like you keep saying, it's fluid. Like, yeah, it's it's fluid, it's constantly changing and shifting. And if you can just let go and go with it wherever it takes you and just, you know, trust that it's taking you there. And, you know, obviously you have to do some of the work, right? Right? The aligned law of aligned action. You have to take the steps and in order to get there, but also just knowing that it's happening for you already. And that yeah, it's gosh. You know, and I like I still battle sometimes with I'm not doing enough. Like if there's a day where I need rest, and like, you know, there's always that voice that it's like, no, you have a whole day, like just get work done. Like, so it's I think it's an ongoing battle for all of us. It's very much a a deconditioning or you know, reprogramming of our programming, but absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And do you feel like that comes from also being an athlete? Because I know my inner voice.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

My my brutal inner voice is sometimes a really nasty Russian coach. Like, am I? It's like, and it's like that's not even my voice. No, yeah. And somebody's really journaling about that a lot lately. Like, that's not your voice. Yeah. And that's not your narrative. So, where did that come from? So, taking a pause to even recognize like, where did this part of me come from? And absolutely, does it feel good to move my body through things? Abs yes, but am I moving my body because I'm loving my body and I want to nurture my body and take care of my body? Or am I moving my body because I feel hyper-vigilant and I need an outlet? Or am I and just really taking time to do punishment?

SPEAKER_03:

That's oh yeah, the punishment's huge for me. It's huge for me. Is like, you're not enough, like you gotta do more. And it's like, that's not me.

SPEAKER_00:

No, and it never was, yeah. And I think that's the the biggest thing, and I think about this when I think of you know, my kids have a huge age gap. Almost 16-year-old daughter, five-year-old son, and he just started soccer. And it's the sweetest thing ever, it's so cute, and he's just like, yeah, what? And like every time they're in practice, and he like kicks a goal, and it's so cute. And I'm like, gosh, you know, it takes one coach to plant those super like self-sabotaging scenes. And I'm like, oh like I know the importance of athletics. I mean, if it weren't for athletics, I probably would not have survived my life. However, I also know how it shifted my inner voice and my inner perspective. So that's just been something that's actually come up for me this week. And you know, I'm curious if the audience has feedback on this. Um, you know, that balance of when is it, you know, finding those safe and nurturing environments because there's a lot of things we can't control. We take the, we you know, we we trust that the coach is gonna like be, they're not no. I mean, I've I've never really met a super nurturing with five-year-olds, it's one thing, but you know, when you get up into serious sports, like serious.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And so it's really interesting, the dynamic. I think about them. Like, I wonder like what it would have been like if I didn't have that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And honestly, like girls in general, like I do a lot of nature programs with young girls, and like I just try to be that that role model, that per that nurturing presence that like you never had. And it's like you're safe here, you can feel, you can express, you don't have to like numb yourself out. Like, they're already experiencing a lot of anxiety at a very early age, and so it's like worse now than it's it's crazy, it's it's really crazy. So honestly, giving them the space and the time to express that and like teaching them it's okay to yeah, you don't have to hold it all in, you don't have to like grit down and get through it like we were taught. It's so much of just like the safety to express yourself and um yeah, like or even movement of your body.

SPEAKER_00:

When you when you were talking about that, what came up for me is like, you know, teaching young women and young girls, even like to dance and move their body in ways that it doesn't have to be sexualized. Yeah, like you know, moving your body in a very feminine, like fun, flowy way is just like I used to do it all the time when I was little because I was just like loved watching BH1 back in the day when I was kidding. Yes. Um, but you know, I learned a lot of dances, but just just dancing around and moving your body, but and that doesn't mean that you have to put it on the internet, so you really don't have to do that. So and it's more of your sacred, safe self if you don't. Yeah, but you know, just giving them permission to be their beautiful feminine selves, yeah, and tapping into all the different layers of that without making it the stereotypes of whatever.

SPEAKER_03:

Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think that's safe to be female, it's safe to have a body, it's safe to express yourself in your body, and it's safe to love your body and feel your body and move your body and all the things that, you know, in different cultures, it's like, oh, that's that's frowned upon, or that's you know, and it's you know, everyone has their differences on that. But yeah, I've always been kind of wild and free when it comes to free with my body, not too free, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, as long as it's for you too. Like if it's for you, then it doesn't matter, right? That's not about what other people think, right? Um, yeah. Yeah, I mean, women embodiment is is such a big part of what I do, as well as I'm sure what you do, but it is like we've been so cut off from the the neck up that I don't think a lot of women realize like how out of touch they are with their body. And you know, it just goes back to the thinking, the controlling, the this, this part, and forgetting that you can operate from your body. Your body has a whole different language and data set that you can sense and you can feel and you can perceive. Like that's our our our ancient wisdom. There is our body. It's our best technology, but we don't know it until we're taught, unless we're held and like you can experience safety, right? Safety is like the most foundational thing. So yeah, like giving them the space to feel safe in their body, to reconnect with it, especially if they have experienced trauma or they're holding on to um, you know, even like the trauma from sports, like the not, it's not not okay to rest. It's not okay to my body's not okay. Um, that type of thing. But yeah, giving them the space the safety to experiencing that, and then then comes like, you know, the dancing and the moving and the expressing, and that's kind of where I'm at now. It's still rebuilding that like it's safe to move my body like this, and it's safe to be seen and witnessed in doing so. I've been the videos I posted the other day. I've got me. I'm just like that's for me. And it's like, and like I said too, and it's for anyone else who is afraid to sing off key or not be a good dancer or express themselves. It's like, oh yeah, you don't have to be good at that stuff to do it.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, we could go on the road because I'm I'm I'm way more of a mover than I am a singer. Yeah. But I love to sing. Yeah. Like, right. I was like screaming, whatever. I don't care. But it sounds for me, it sounds much better when it's coming out than it does when I listen back.

SPEAKER_03:

But that's okay. No judgment. No judgment. I love it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. So tell me more about that. So you do these groups for young girls. And I mean, of all, so you're doing retreats. Tell me kind of more of what you're offering, what that typically looks like. Because again, I have a teenage daughter, a lot of her friends. I feel like something like this would be so good for them because I feel like, you know, being a teenager, everything is just so weird. And we're in a time where there's so much speculation and so much judgment and so much, oh my God, like that's boring, or that's like, oh, don't do that, or you know, or whatever. It's like, why not? I know. Like just be you. I know. And that's beautiful. Like, it's so beautiful to just be you. And guess what? When you're just you, you give everyone else permission to just be them. Exactly. And that we went all worrying around like robots all the same. Like that's coming along enough as it is. We don't need more of that.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly. Yeah, it's it's so important. Like you said, that like you teach them it's okay to be unique. Like what makes you you is being you. So please don't hide that aspect of yourself. Yes. Um, but yeah, I mean, it's kind of funny how I like what I do with my girls is like what I do with the women that I work with. And it all ties back to just like bringing out their gifts, creating safe containers for them to express themselves and connecting with Earth. So, you know, I do a lot of camping trips with like fourth graders, fifth graders, and we go to like Fort DeSoto, and it's a lot of like the socio-emotional component of it, teaching them how to communicate with each other, like what the proper way is, because again, it's so much judgment and fear of being yourself these days. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, and then even want to be accepted. Yeah, we don't remember. We want to be loved, we want to be seen, we want to be heard, we want to be felt, yeah, but we don't know how. Yeah, you know, no one really teaches us how.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, exactly. And then you end up, yeah, just going after each other because you don't want to be the one that's getting made fun of.

SPEAKER_00:

So and those are soft touch ages. I remember that age for my daughter. It was fourth grade, it was hard.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, they're answering the age. Like I watched him go from third to fourth, and it's like that was tough.

SPEAKER_00:

That was a tough leap. And then fifth to sixth is a whole different beast. And like, you know, and for me, you know, that was those are tough times because everyone's body's changing in a different rate, everyone's on a different frequency. Yep. Meanwhile, we're like put into these little buckets of, you know.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's really cool. So do you go through like school system? Do people sign up? Like, do they go to your website to sign up? Like, how does that Yeah?

SPEAKER_03:

So that's that's my other company, Flourish Forward. Okay. Um, and I have a website for that and with like the links and stuff. But yeah, I I have my I'm a I am a certified recreation therapist. So that's kind of where that certification comes out, doing a lot of adventure and nature stuff and outdoor education and working with the elements and you know, using nature as our greatest teacher. So I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And it's such a beautiful layer because I'm sure you see a lot of parallels in what your girls do versus what your women do because guess what? Like that inner child comes out a lot.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. It's literally like the same thing. And like preserving the girls, and then I'm like trying to get the women to remember their inner child and like just letting it out and having fun.

SPEAKER_00:

That was one of the most intense days on our Sedona retreat. Is we and you know, I kind of think of what I want the intention to be, but it really just depends on the energy of the day, the people, and you know, you know, doing retreats and we're sitting there and I was doing the bowls, and then all of a sudden it just started flowing. And it was like, I want you to picture yourself at a certain age. And, you know, we all kind of chose something between like five and nine. And, you know, we did this. I I don't even remember what I said at this point, but it was something along the lines of like, I want you to invite her here. I want you to invite her here now. I want you to invite her to spend the day with you, like play with her today. Like, what does she need today? What does she need right now? Like, what does she want to say? What does she want to do? What does she want to eat? What does she want to play? And it was so much fun. And you're so much more gentle with yourself. Yeah. When you think of yourself as that inner child, but we're still, I mean, we're we're all still there. Like we all still have that inner child. So why not be gentle with ourselves all the time? I mean, it's impossible. But yeah, you know, it's just it's interesting when you bring when you take the time to break it down like that. And so I've really tried to do that since then. Like sometimes I'm like, you know, what does she want to do today? Like, I was just walking, I took a beach walk and I was like, I think I'm gonna swing for a little while. Like I just sat on the swings and swing for a little while. And I'm like, it's it got freezing. And I'm like, okay, now I'm gonna go. That's amazing. I'm like, no, my my adult wants to go get a coffee, and so we're gonna do that. Yeah. So just really tapping into that and not being afraid to. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03:

That's like our creativity, is like our our inner artist, our inner creative person is our child. Right. And I feel like when we start to nurture that side of ourselves, that's when we start to feel like creative, like we start to create more art, we start to feel like that musical like presence coming back, and we start to sing and dance. Um, we start to play in nature more, we start to swing. Like when we give it the permission to like, I guess, like be creative and not be so structured. Yeah. Like that's yeah, that's setting the the the tone of like you're it's safe to come out now. Like, I don't, I'm not gonna judge you for not being perfect or like I'm sure you've struggled with perfectionism. Oh god, but like yes, I can't it feels like a lifetime ago, but I was just stuck in freeze and perfectionism for so long. It stopped me from doing so much. I'm trying to like tap back into that time, but like just the the feeling of not being good at something immediately or like like learning new skills is something we have to like allow ourselves, like we have to permit ourselves to go through that process. So learning to like go through that as a child rather than your adult self, I feel like makes that process a lot easier. Absolutely. Yeah, like just let it out, be fluid.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's there's no rules, there's no rules, yeah. But yeah, we create so many rules for ourselves, and like why do we create where do these rules come from? I know. You know, it's conditioned, it comes in, and you know, depending on childhood structure and things like that, but and and it just feels so good to let them go though. It does, and when you give yourself permission to let them go, and just in releasing old narratives that don't belong, like the story I was telling myself yesterday. It's like, is that the story today? No, and guess what? At the end of the day, it's just a story, yeah. You're just making it up, it's it's not real. Yeah. And when you realize that all of these like conditioned things we've done over the years is like it's not real unless we allow it to be. Right. And that is for me one of the most crazy things. That's the the letting go book that I'm reading right now talks about that quite a bit. Like, what is your inner narrative? What stories you have about other people?

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And how are those stories you have about yourself or other people holding you back? I'm like, oh, that's deep.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, that I could go on for yeah, you could dive into that every day for the rest of your life and still be uncovering things.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Yeah. One thing that's like really been the focus for me personally, and then obviously like in my coaching and my work is like living through the heart, because that's so there's such a shift when you can bring the energy into the heart and lead with that rather than this. Because this thing has those narratives, it has stories, it has lies that it will tell. And it just like this is not the truth, capital T truth. This is the capital T truth. And when you can live from a heart-centered space, you slow down. Like the brain, the heart waves are slower paced than the brain. The brain is going like this, and the heart's slower, it's and it entrains others too to like come down, let's come to the body, let's let's live from this. And um and that way you're not constantly fighting off like these I don't even know what they are, just yeah, nonsense half the time. Yeah. So yeah, I mean that that's that's been fascinating to learn more about the heart and its you know, powers and how how we can gain like you know, almost like live life from a different way. It's been a huge shift for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and it's and and it's that allowing yourself to live a purposeful life instead of a successful life. Yeah. Because to me, success is purpose. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And yeah, like that's my human design chart, is like success. It's like go, so I'm like, oh crap.

SPEAKER_00:

I gotta figure out a different definition for them. So I create things and I leave them. Like I bounce around a lot. And that makes sense. The go of the blood. That's amazing. But it's yeah, it's I don't know. I could just go on and on about that one. Right. I know. I go on and on about that one. But it really, when you allow yourself to let go of what's going on in your mind, you can truly like lead with your intuition too. So if you're really allowing the heart to remain open and not just leading with your heart, but being open to receive things too. Because what I've found with myself is like really beautiful opportunities or people or things will come about. And then I have that all the time. Like all the time. And I'm like, why am I at this? I'm like, because I'm not allowing myself. I might be putting my heart out there and sharing it, but I'm not allowing myself to be open to receive. And then it gets down into the whole worthiness thing and the perfect, you know, and just like letting it go. Like you are worthy. We're all worthy. Everyone's born worthy. It's not like you have to earn it, you know, it's like that earn it mentality. No, like you don't really, you you deserve it all. Right. I know.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And that's like for me, I feel that all the time still. It's like the opposite, you know, the opportunity comes and the the first instinct is like, oh, I don't deserve this. Like, oh my God. But then it's like, no, okay, like it's here for a reason. I need to like it's it's just a whole rewiring of the system. Like it's a continuing of like expanding the nervous system capacity, like expanding that what that safety is. Cause so many of us are like, I feel like I'm always stuck in or I've always been stuck in scarcity mode and just like yeah, exactly. I say you have to rewire constantly for expansion and then constantly be right, rewriting those subconscious beliefs. But the more that we you know actively do that, the more that we do open ourselves up to receive more. But receiving is hard. We talk about that all the time. It's just like how many of us are unconsciously and consciously blocking our blessings and our opportunities all the time, every day.

SPEAKER_00:

And I love that getting back to the heart, you think of it like a heart contraction. It's okay to be open, it's all it's also okay to close down, like you know, to expand and with contract and can span, expand and contract. Like we're meant to again flow and eat like that in those rhythms. And that's actually one of my favorite meditations before I do any of like my resonant retreat programs or anything. I always have everyone, or like even big public speaking engagements. I always have everyone close their eyes, place their hand over their heart and their hand over their belly, and just take a minute to observe your heartbeat and observe your breath.

SPEAKER_03:

That's amazing. Yeah, exactly. That's all it is.

SPEAKER_00:

Just like that, the energy shifts and it's like, wow. Because in that moment, it's like, wow, it's like a miracle to be alive. Right. And so you almost have instant gratitude just by touching your belly and your heart. And that doesn't mean like, oh, my jeans are too tight or my no, don't get into all that. But just allowing yourself to just be in your moment, connect to your breath, and observe that little piece. And I do that quite a bit. Like those are that's kind of my go-to. I love that. If I find that I'm getting, you know, nervous systems coming up and you know, with the history of the PTSD, but you know, that wiring, I felt like in 2025 some resistance started coming back in a little bit. And I found that I was just I was moving through and I wasn't taking enough time to slow down and observe. Yep. Yeah, no integration. And and kind of, you know, got out of my gratitude practice. And you know, you you and you have again, I was contracting. Yeah. I was I was expanding and then I was contracting. And now I'm like, you know, now's the time. I'm just I'm just gonna see where it goes. If I expand, I expand, if I contract, I contract, and not setting an agenda to that, I think is very important.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah. I again just I feel like it circles back to the fluidity, attach detaching from the process, right? Like we're always going to spiral back. It's gonna feel like we're spiraling back to our patterns, or like I always say they're like my like my relationship to food is like my archetypal. Um it's it's feels like it's archetypal for me. Like it's it's something that I revisit all the time. And like one day I will like probably be free from it entirely, but it's also been given to me because it's what I'm supposed to help other women get through, is healing their relationship to their bodies and food. And, you know, sometimes those thoughts re pat like those patterns come back, and it's like I don't attach to them because it's like it's just part of my journey. This is just part of my the this is part of like the thing that God gave me on this earth. And like, yeah, I'm gonna fall back in those patterns and then I'm gonna get out of them, and then I might revisit them and get out of them. And it's a continuing of just like taking that higher level of the observer and not attaching yourself to it and just being the witness of that. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

And having the awareness to know that that's where you're going and that's what you're doing. Yeah, you know, and I and I tell people that all the time. You having the awareness to know that that's what you're doing right now, yeah, is the work. Yeah, doing the work, exactly. Just having the awareness that really yourself sabotaging or what else? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. Like, and no, no, there's no charge to this. It happened, boom, move on.

SPEAKER_00:

So, what has that looked like for you in your life, if you don't mind sharing um with food? Because I do have quite a large audience that relates to this. Um, I've talked about it quite a bit. Um, what what do those patterns look like for you, whether it started in childhood or like how has that ebbed and flowed to you over your lifetime? And what does that look like for you now?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And I'm sure most women relate probably to my story. We all kind of, it's like one a conditioning level. I think it started back when I was, I'm gonna say like seventh grade, I became very conscious of my body and I was very tall. I always thought it was huge, but I was really just taller than most, but I was very skinny and athletic. But I was always very self-conscious about my body. And so it started to really maniflick I I was always like had a couple extra pounds in high school. In college, I became more aware of my weight and I wanted to lose weight. And so I did one of those like no carb diets for whatever the cabbage soup diet. Oh my god, as an athlete, you're probably dead. Yeah. You're right. Yeah, but I lost weight. I lost like 15, 20 pounds. And then, of course, you know, everyone's like, you look great, like, and then that's like reinforcing like if I gain any more, if I gain the weight back, then I failed. So it it manifested as, yeah, like a I was restricting heavily. I was completely undernourished as an athlete. I was not feeling my body, which meant that the pendulum had to come back the other way. I started binging, I started purging, and that continued for I don't know, seven, eight years. It it got worse as it went on because I was living alone in Europe when I was playing professionally, and my days were like completely empty. I had no more school. I was living in a foreign country, and so food became like food was my comfort always, but then it was just, you know, worsening that like that pattern of like binging, you know.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And so that's one of the reasons that I am so called to work with plant medicine because that was one of those things that like it was such a conscious pattern, right? You're like so aware of what you're doing, and you're like, you try to will power through it, you try to restrict again. You wake up and you tell yourself the same story of it's not gonna happen again. This is the last time it's gonna happen, and then it keeps happening. It's so subconscious.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And so, you know, I always think of plant medicine. People think they're like a quick fix. They're not a quick fix, but sometimes they are like a shortcut that like you can get to that deep level of like what's happening under the surface that you could talk about in therapy for 10 years. So it really like was a subconscious thing, and it helped me to look at it in a different way. It helped me to release a lot of the shame around it. There was so much shame around my body and around, you know, what I was doing. And um, you know, that wasn't the only thing that that did it, but that with integration with learning about the nervous system and how it was a way to ground my body. I was dysregulated, so I was grounding with food. I was dissociating, so I was grounding with food. And at the same time, it was like an escape. Food was an escape from whatever, too. So learning about all that, um, got really into yeah, like the subconscious mind and depth psychology and how you can, you know, really speak to the subconscious with the its language of symbolism, of metaphor, of images, and kind of like bypassing the conscious mind, the masculine, right? We can't force it. This is something that like I've had to surrender to and take the feminine route with, be be more soft with it, be I like be as weird as you can with it. Sometimes you think that like I don't know, I've just I'm open to anything when it comes to the subconscious mind, because like it just it's it's a whole different ball game. Um, and and just finding like ritual and spirituality too, because binging is very ritualistic. It was like it was my ritual, like at home, dysregulated, boom. It was very ritualistic.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. So I can it was that that yeah, that and the like exercise.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, that too.

SPEAKER_00:

Over exercise, exactly. That was another thing that I would do.

SPEAKER_03:

The two, and it's like, okay, binge one night, or if I'm gonna eat this, go work out, have to burn a thousand calories the next day of my polar watch, and it's like, you know, take uh a fat uh uh one of those like fat loss pills. Oh my god, cranks your heart with like xenoplex or something like that when I was hydroxy weight.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I would hydroxy buttons. That's what it was. I'd roxic.

SPEAKER_03:

And I would spike my heart rate up to like 180 beats per minute. Yeah, but I burned a thousand calories and then I'm you know, and then of course I'm starving. So it was like that, yeah, that that cycle of dysregulation. So yeah, really reconnecting back to like real food, the plants, like finding ways to connect with spirit, source, and and finding the nourishment there rather than, you know, I always ask myself, like, what would feed my soul right now rather than feed my body? Because right.

SPEAKER_00:

And because it's really what what what we're seeking and what we're needing. And you know, I think that's something, you know, to your point that it's it's a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep core. Yeah. One thing for me is my daughter's helped me shift that a lot. Um, I'm probably gonna cry. Yeah. She sees me. Um, she sees me. She's um, she knows she's witness, she's you know, she's was in my Belly the day I was teaching classes in a group X classes the day she was born. So it's like both my babies, like I literally exercised till the day they were born. Oh my gosh. Um, so it's a part of me that I love, but once I started having kids, I think it really shifted the perspective as to why. And now they're watching. Yeah. And so why what example are you setting for them? And you know, my voice to myself, like if I'm looking in the mirror, is this something I would say to her? That's a great reframe. Or even in my mind, like, is this something I would even say out loud? Yeah. You know, like, and I practice that quite a bit. I don't know. If you've ever done that exercise, it's intense. Uh-huh. Like if you have intrusive thoughts and things pop up, it's say it out loud. And then it's like oh, like you would never say that out loud. You know, so it's like, oh my God. But it's eye-opening and it really helps knowing when it's an intrusive thought or it's something you're really feeling or a direction that you're really going. And, you know, I think most women can, and even men, like I know a lot of men in my life that are way more hard on themselves and way more critical than even women are about their bodies. And it's like, why? We're all so beautiful. And I can look at someone and be like, wow, she has a really beautiful shape, or they have a really great physique. And but if I myself were to be embodied in this form, I would give myself such a hard time. Yeah. Why? Right. And so really released, I've really had to go through that. And it's like, how why are you and how can you be everyone else's biggest hype team? Like from a very genuine place. However, when it comes back, but to your point, it's that deep internal conditioning and that deep void. Like, what was it that I needed fulfilled? Yeah. Like what worthiness in me? Like, why did I need to feel like I needed to look like a six-pack athlete my entire like when I'm a female and female's bodies really aren't supposed to look that way. And like, you know, you you kind of weren't completely female then because your period didn't come for two years because you were too lean. And you know what I mean? And so nurturing like the curves and the move, and again, and the way my body moves, and but and then not feeling like you're part of, you know, it doesn't have to be sexualized that way. And just finding that happy medium ground and feeling comfortable in your body again.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I've really tried to tap into that, whether it's, I mean, because it affects all your relationships, the relationship with yourself, the relationship with your significant others, the way that your body responds to whatever it is you're doing whenever you're doing it. And um, you know, it can be really eye-opening when we tap into that and not comparing.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I I feel like I am the I historically the epitome of comparing myself to previous versions of myself without looking at the big picture of previous versions of myself. You know, like I'll see a picture from a certain time frame and be like, oh wow, like, oh, I was look at yeah, but you were out of your mind in that in that period of your life. So like let's look holistic at the whole picture and just be it just makes me when I wrap it up like that, it makes me so grateful for just being in the now.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep.

SPEAKER_00:

And where I am now. Yeah. Because I can finally, you know, feel good and know when it's something that's external versus internal that's guiding me that way. Yeah. And um and like yourself, like when I've had some plant medicine experiences and it's really helped me unlock deep rigidity.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like for me it was like unlocking deep rigidity.

SPEAKER_03:

I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

And and it was like and just letting it go. You know, of course, there's always layers and there's things that come up that pull out those layers, but just allowing myself to let it go. Yeah. Because sometimes you go into that old default mode of bringing it back, and it's like, nope, you're not allowed anymore.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we're not allowed anymore, sorry. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. And I think I think like, you know, as we go on this journey, like the self, like if like our wounds are usually what causes us to go on the self-development, the healing journey, right? We start looking for solutions for ourselves, and then you get to the point where you're like, I'm not even a body, like I'm literally like a spirit or a soul inhabiting this physical form that isn't even a physical form, really. Like, if we want to go down to the quantum level, but like it's another story. That's probably more for Matt's podcast. Definitely so. But but it's like this doesn't even matter. Like this is this is fit finite, but like, you know, we there's some there's so much more to us too, like than our body. So it doesn't even matter what I look like. No, it's like how I show up for the world, how I show up for people, and like you know how it is when someone walks in a room and how they make you feel and how you can feel their presence. And yeah, I think switching to that has really helped me loosen the grip of like what I look like and the critic in the mirror and um yeah, just like I've radical acceptance is a word that I got in a ceremony one time, which is radical acceptance. This is where I'm at in my process, and this is completely like this is where I'm supposed to be. There's I'm exactly at the pace I'm supposed to be at, and you know, I this like me.

SPEAKER_00:

And then it all happens for like it all leads us to this place of knowledge and empathy and compassion for others, right? And gives, you know, us that really feel like we're natural nurturers and healers to share our vulnerability to help other people. That's the whole point of the damn podcast that I'm doing. This is why we're here, you know, because it's people need and want to hear that they're not alone. Right. Yeah, that's like alone.

SPEAKER_03:

People think they're like it's just a them thing. Yeah. It's like, no, it's all of us. It's all of us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

As a collective, and that's a big deal because we are all connected. And so that's why it's just really important to be intentional about who you are choosing to connect with. Yep. And not connect with. And just knowing that if you're feeling a push-pull with certain relationships or people, places, things, you know, whatever it is, that just trust and honor that again, the expansion, the contraction with it, like maybe this doesn't feel good anymore. So you change it up. Okay, allow that for a little while and see, see what could happen. Right. And trust that it's all working out the way it's supposed to, because it's all part of, like you said, like, and my husband reminds me of this. We remind each other of this quite often. You know, we are not this body. And he's like, and it's like it's funny. He's like, the soul that you are, not the soul that you have. You don't have a soul, you are the soul. And I'm like, exactly. So he's the one that always corrects. He doesn't care who it is, where they are, if they're like, oh, like nurture my soul. It's like the soul that you are. It'll be like random. Like, but it's so true. And if we start to think of ourselves in that, I feel like it's really allowed me to not ever be afraid of death. I I don't know. I'm like, I'm gonna see what my next lifetime is gonna be. Like, what am I gonna come back as next? And because that's me and my own stuff. Not everyone believes that, and that's okay. Who knows? I definitely feel like I've had some previous lifetimes, and that's part of this. I do feel like I've had. Have you ever done a past life regression? I haven't, but I so fun.

SPEAKER_03:

It's been on my radar lately that I I feel I'm I'm feeling the call to it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It's intense. They're really cool. I've done them in like group settings, Miraball, the place that I'm going um on my trip next week. I'm so excited. Um, I've done a few there, which was wild. Like I did one, she kind of counted us down. It was like almost like counts you down into like a meditation, and and just like, you know, going down the staircase, and I and then all of a sudden, like my feet planted on like the red rocks, and I was running, and I was running so hard and so fast, and I kept looking back and I was just running, and I'm like, like I came out of it, and it had been like an hour and a half was the session. That's wild. And it was so parallel to the PTSD journey I was going through at the time and the layers I was peeling back from that. And I'm like, oh, this this this doesn't even have anything to do with this lifetime. Interesting. It was interesting, and I've done a few since, and you know, just different. Like I used to have dreams all the time like the cliffs of Moore, like the beautiful Irish cliffs and stuff. And I did one. I have some contacts for you after this. Um I did one of my girlfriend Bond is like, you know, I'm picturing you as this like Irish, you're you're just a normal maiden in this Irish village, and the king like wants you, and you don't want to go with the king because it's like, ooh. And so you just jump off the cliff and kill yourself, and you're with child. And I'm like, damn. And she's like, and you were like around 22 years old. And I'm like, 22 has always been my favorite number, and I've always had dreams and visions about this cliff. So I've been super pulled to go to Ireland, and I'm actually going this year on a retreat, and I'm so pumped, and I'm like, what's gonna happen? Like, I'm like so excited. I'm like, I have to take out like all the journals, all the things, and like document. Like, I feel like this is weird. I don't know. So I it's love, it's really cool. Yeah, I mean, I'm open to all the things. I'll try anything like that at least once all the spiritual. I mean, there's just so much we don't know. 100%. And it's so fun to explore it in different ways, you know, to each their own. If it is not your vibe, sorry, that's okay, you know. But if it is, it's so much fun to just explore. Really? No, exactly. It's like that's how we unlock all these beautiful experiences. And you know, I feel like it can be very validating too. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. No, exactly. It's staying open, speaking the language of the soul with just like getting under the surface and like staying open, like take what resonates and leave the rest too. Like that's kind of the expiration of all this. But yeah, if somebody finds out like something like a story like that, where they're holding on to something that didn't even happen in this life, like what a weight that is lifted off of them. Yeah. Right. Like that stuff happens all of the time. And I also believe in that. Um I feel like I feel like in, and you know how I feel that is when I meet somebody and I'm like, oh, I know you. Yeah, I know you automatically. And I feel like I just have this feeling of we've lived lives together.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, absolutely. I have a couple girlfriends, and it's like, I wonder which lifetime we were this person, or I wonder which lifetime we did all this, because I know that like this is not our first go-round. You're not saying like it was like instant soul connection, but not like that. You know, it wasn't like we weren't even like, yeah, we were just it was it's so it's hard to explain, but it was not at all like you know, a sexual attraction right away or like whatever. But it just you can you can tell when your soul connects, and it could be with anyone. Yep. Anywhere. Like it's I I feel that quite often is like the familiar, like you feel familiar to something or someplace, or like you go somewhere and you're like, really? I feel like I've been here before. Like, like I feel like I'm very pulled to the Red Rock Mountains, whether it's like like all parts of like Arizona, Nevada, like that whole stretch, like between, oh, I just feel so pulled there. I don't know why. And I don't care why, but I just love to keep going and I'm gonna keep going until I'm tired of going and I'm not there yet. So tell us about like what does you know? You have these two different beautiful businesses. What are your offerings? What do you you do retreats, you do coaching, you do herbalism, you know, you know, you have such a beautiful workup that you're doing with children. Like, let's let's get into a bit of that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. So those are kind of, I'd say two different things. Yeah. I mean, again, it's it all comes down to I always think my mission is connecting, reconnecting people back to themselves and to the earth. And so that's probably the mission in both of those. Um, but for my work with Alchemize with Ali, working with adults, um, I have a few offerings. One is the microdosing protocol where I kind of work in some herbs, some adaptogens based off of like your constitution and, you know, kind of how you're wired or what your goals would be. And I feel very called to work more with human design. And so finding your your type and um, you know, really like again, that's something I think it's to take what resonates and leave the rest. But for me, finding out that I'm a projector has given me full permission to finally surrender and let go and rest and like honor, honor being slower and more intentional and present. Um, because that is my gift, and that's that's what makes me function at like my best and show up for others. So yeah, that that's the protocol and it's very individualized. Um, I have a group program uh called Evolve, which is relaunching mid-February, which I'm really excited about. Um, that is a very holistic group. It's eight weeks. Um, microdosing is optional, but I love incorporating that because it does open up our minds for reprogramming and it also drops us into our body to find more of a grounded presence. Um, and in those eight weeks, we I have like this 100-page guidebook that starts with the nervous system and the physical body and then works its way up into like the physical body and the emotions and releasing and reconnecting to your inner child, reclaiming who you were before all the societal conditioning. And then we work our way up more into the subconscious mind and getting into repatterning, rewiring, um, and realizing our fullest potential. And so this one, this cohort, I feel like collectively are all kind of in this transition phase of like, we've just shed, we just came out, we're still in the year of the snake, but we're we're leaving the year of the snake, and now we're going into the horse. And it's the threshold is like the image that I keep seeing. So people who again know that they're meant for more, know that they are a healer or a guide, or they just want to use their gifts more, they want to discover their gifts because we all have gifts, and um, so many of us are like, Oh, I don't know what that looks like. It's just creating that container for us to explore and empower each other, and like like we've talked about this entire time, just creating the space to feel safe enough to express those parts of us. Um so that that's my probably one of my favorite offerings. And I I think microdosing is a great way to start working with plant medicine because it's more subtle, it's more of a devotional practice than a big um, you know, like an online journey. Exactly. Yeah, but I do those as well. So I do one-on-one ceremonies and group ceremonies. Um those are probably my favorite because they are I think the most transformational. So if you're looking for immersive, yeah, if you're looking for that, like I've had this pattern for years and I want to know, I want, I want to work through it, or if you're just like looking to unlock creativity, if you're looking to connect with like past lives, or just open yourself up to possibilities. It's hard to say what what's gonna come of it, but I yeah, like that's that's where my heart's at, just because I believe so so wholeheartedly in the medicine being such an ancient teacher and giving us what we need.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. Which most plants are. I mean, that's uh apocalypherapy is like the the oldest type of medicine. Right. You're right, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, you know, we were all witches back in the day because we created all these things. Exactly, pharmaceuticals came about, you know. It's funny, I was telling um our nanny actually. I was like, you know, I'm gonna get back to I'm gonna need to look up some of my Nana's old recipes for things because she swore by castor oil, and I'm like, here I am these past two weeks, and again, I am shedding the snake. I can tell you that I am still very much in shedding snake season. I've like, it's crazy, but I gave my body permission to do what it needed to do, and I honored it in a way that I promised it I would put it in a safe place. Like, I'm gonna try to keep you as safe as possible, and I'm gonna honor what you need right now. And what that is for me right now is slowing down. And just because there's a lot of external, so what do I need to do here? Instead of media matching that external energy, I'm allowing myself to just not.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And it's been powerful. I love it. Like I've literally shed like nine pounds of inflammation in two weeks. It has been wild. My husband came back from a three-day trip and he's like, What the fuck have you been doing? I'm like, nothing. I've been lathering in this oil and sleeping and sweating my ass off in my sleep. I'm literally that's incredible. But it feels so good because I feel like I'm in my body again. Like I felt like I was dissociated, like not completely dissociated, but disconnected. I didn't feel like I was as immersed as I needed and wanted to be. And it's I just yeah, it's it's powerful when you give yourself permission to. Yeah. And I love that that's you know, it sounds like sacred capsules of these journeys and these it's these intimate ceremonies that you're putting together for people or just that. So if someone wanted to do your program in February, so this is actually great timing because this will come out before that. So how could they do that? Is there a limited number of participants? Like what what does that kind of look like for them?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so right now we have four signed up. We have probably four spots left. Okay. Um, the information for it's called Evolve uh Involve Medicine Integration Program is on my website, which is alchemizewithally.com, A-L-L-I. Um, and you can kind of read through that and see the approach. Like I said, it's kind of like three phases mind, um, emotional body, or excuse me, body, uh, emotional body and mind. And then we kind of get into the spirit and connecting with our higher self. So I definitely know there's gonna be yeah, quite a few people. Yeah, it's very integrated, it's very integrative. So it's I I love it. I try not to throw too much information out there, but it's definitely everything that has helped me in my process. So it's one of those things again, take what resonates.

SPEAKER_00:

But and I love that. And and for you providing these opportunities for others because you know what has helped you in your journey. And I think that's what really of you know, when you lead a heart-led, purposeful life, you get in touch with what feels good. Yeah, and it feels good to pass along the things that have made you feel good, and it's like just to continue that, you know, let's just continue the flow and connect with those who are like-minded and um and even not like understanding like if I I've really had to kind of tap into that as well. Like, just because someone's not like-minded doesn't mean that their heart's not in a place to move into a new direction.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And allowing myself to again expand and contract if I need to with those different energies. And I think that that's something that can be very powerful too, is just knowing when the energy feels right, just to really trust that. Yeah. I remember even the first podcast that we tried to film, like that was like a day, a day for both of us. Like we both had stuff going on, your dog ate something, and I'm like, yeah, it was not meant to be that day. And it's like you just have to trust that it's energetically aligned. Yeah. And like things will happen when they're supposed to, how they're supposed to. And um, so if there's, you know, a couple things that you want to leave our guests with from this conversation. Or just any tidbits of your own that you know you just want to share, maybe something we haven't touched on. Um, yeah, anything, any last things you want to leave our guests with?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. I'm gonna say like biggest thing on my heart is the heart-centered living. Really, that's like the that's what's been really, really present for me. Um, I guess just yeah, remembering that you are more than a body, you're certainly more than your mind, right? We have three different types of self. We have our intellectual self, we have our heart self, our intuitive self, and we have our gut self, our instinctual self. So being able to realize like you are more than what your mind is telling that you are, or you're just more than a flesh, you know, meat suit here. Um and and recognizing that yes, you're a holistic person, you have a mind, body, and soul. And so when you're looking for deeper transformation or deeper healing, it's gonna take a holistic approach. You're gonna have to address all levels and continuously just be honestly fluid, like we were talking about switching through it and and um yeah, just like constantly evolving and so honoring yourself in that process, seeing it as a process, seeing yourself as a fluid being and just riding the wave as much as you can.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I'll just add to that is just you know, also taking a pause to express the gratitude and appreciation for all those different versions of yourself that have oh yeah, that have led you to what you are right now, which is gonna be different than what you are in 15 minutes, you know. So that's just the way it goes. So thank you so much. I feel like we could talk for like five hours, but I only worked an hour in the studio. So I have a feeling we're gonna be back to talk about human design and all kinds of other things. But thank you so much, Allie. I appreciate you being here.

SPEAKER_03:

It was a pleasure, thank you.