223. The Astrology of ADDICTION: 🧡 Advanced Natal Astrology

Alison and Arwynne discuss the astrology of addiction. Addiction is a complex human experience that touches the emotional, physical and spiritual dimensions of life. 

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SPEAKER_01 0:10

Welcome to the Star Zoology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Owen O'Neill.

SPEAKER_00 0:18

Hello, Alison. It's great to be here again.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

So nice to have you once more. Thank you. So in this episode, we're going to be talking about a serious issue for once, and that's going to be addictions. Yes. And before we get started, I do have a disclaimer.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

That at Starzoology we share astrological insights for education and personal reflection only. We do not provide medical, psychological, or therapeutic advice, and nothing on this podcast should be interpreted as professional health guidance.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

100%.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

So that is our disclaimer on this, which is actually coming from our legal department, which is fine. Yes. And we do urge anyone who may be struggling with addiction to seek help from qualified health professionals as a front as a first step.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Absolutely. Yeah. And if you're listening with children and you don't want them to know that drugs exist, then please uh pause this and listen to it another time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Yeah. So in general, um, the definition of addiction is actually a pattern of repeated behavior or substance use that becomes difficult to control despite harmful consequences. Yeah. So, or although we may be addicted to chocolate, it's not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but other substances and products are.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Yeah, and there are things that that most people think of as fairly benign. Um sexual activity or you know, uh the occasional the occasional drink uh whatever, coffee and and and exactly. Don't take away my coffee. My God. But they can be problems for some people. So even the things that we think are benign and yet even maybe life-affirming, right, that add flavor and spark to our lives, they in excess can be problems for people, other people. That's right. And then there are things that we generally would think of as harmful in every situation. And why would anyone do that, etc., etc.? And yet there are people who surprisingly manage to do them in moderation, right? And it's okay. I'm thinking cocaine, heroin, blah, blah, blah. Right. There are people, there, there uh are doctors actually who have part partaken, partook, um, in in moderation, with like, you know, very high, high grade quality of not the street version of anything, but uh, but and and it's just fine. There's a set and setting, which is something that uh, you know, the great Timothy Leary said, set and setting is everything. If you do a certain drug in a certain situation, you can have a positive experience or a negative experience, negative experience, depending on what you bring to the situation or what you are experiencing in that state, in that altered state. And if you are drinking to forget, or drinking to to numb the you know, the the psychic pain, or if you are drinking in a binge situation where you can't stop, and then the negative effects are overwhelmingly obvious to everyone but you, and everyone says, Boy, you become a, you know, uh when you drink, and you ignore that advice and continue, like that's where it becomes something that is recreational to addiction, you know, where I think everyone who's listening has has probably had an experience where you have altered your consciousness for some purpose and you have enjoyed yourself and it's wonderful. And then we've all probably had a situation where we've, you know, imbibed too much of whatever, and the next day you're like, oh my God, why? And you question yourself. And and the difference between recreation and addiction or the pursuit of mind expansion, you know, and addiction is if you have negative effects over and over and you cannot stop doing that thing, that's addiction. So we are not here to judge and to say this chemical or that, you know, thing is bad. There's nothing, there's no bad chemicals, there's no bad, you know, plants. Yes, but it's all about how you use it and what it what effect it has and how you deal with that effect. And whether you lean into the positive effects and you build a community or you build communication with people, or you use some kind of medicine, plant, chemical, whatever, in order to become a better person, which is certainly possible. I think there are definitely situations where have a couple of drinks and you are a bit more socially uh not awkward, and that's a positive thing because your friendships and your relationships and your ability to speak and be comfortable in those situations is enhanced, and that's a good thing. That's a good thing for you, that's a good thing for everyone around you. And then we all know that maybe one or two drinks more and it can become a negative thing. And if you ignore those negative signs and go, eh, it's fine, and just continue to have like several more of whatever it is in every every situation, despite the indicators that you are uh now making people uncomfortable, that you yourself are becoming uncomfortable, and that the next day you either feel terrible and guilty or don't remember what happened and you ignore that, that is when it becomes an addiction. So that's my little personal definition.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 5:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Yeah, because we're talking about um uh particularly things that one would drink or take or inject or whatever. That is your choice to do. For sure. And gambling or yeah, yeah. Well, there's those as well, right? And the uh this is what we would also want to say is that addictions are not necessarily just drug related, particularly. We do have gambling addictions, which is uh something that, yeah. And then you've got things like shopping addictions and um spending all the family's money on the on the because you don't stop shopping.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

Or stealing even shoplifting, shoplifting. That becomes an addiction. Yeah, and it's whether you know whether you need the thing or not, it's uh you're addiction to addicted to the uh danger. Yes, or the thrill. The thrill, yeah. And extreme sports, that can become an addiction as well. You you're addicted to putting your life in danger in certain ways.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

Yeah, and it's maybe not even the uh the exhilaration. Well, I mean, it is the exhilaration, but it could also be the fact that you're on the on the threshold of death. Yes, and that becomes the thing that you're addicted to is this yeah. So there's a little Pluto in there. I mean, we're we're feeling like we're leaning towards Neptune, but there's definitely some Pluto. Absolutely that that life-death urge, that that uh Freudian danger. Yes, exactly. Thanatos.

SPEAKER_01 7:00

Yeah. Right. Because in general, the planet that is associated with addiction more than others is nept to.

SPEAKER_00 7:08

Yep. Yeah, because it blurs the boundaries between reality and and fantasy.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

And it represents escapism, which is what this is all about. Yes. Um, escaping from the life that you're living, if it's just a humdrum life and you you do whatever it is you do, yeah, and something changes and suddenly you can cope, or or or things are just a little bit more interesting or a little more beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 7:30

You know, you have a you have a couple of drinks, and oh, that person across the bar that seems so boring, and eh and he's been hitting on me or making, you know, uh, oh now he's okay. That beer goggles or whatever. Like that's right, that's alcohol. That's that's it's not addiction, but it's in enhancement. That's the that's why if it if it were all negative, none of us would do these things. It would be like, oh, that's a poison. Well, the difference between a you know, a drug and a poison is the dosage. That is that is all the difference. Anything can be taken in moderation and can be fine.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

But yeah. Yeah, so here's the thing: we all have a Neptune in our chart. Yes, therefore, if Neptune is the planet that rules addiction, we all have potential for addictive behavior. For sure. And I think that the position that the Neptune is in by sign, well, it's complex by sign, um, house and placement aspects to it is likely to indicate the type of addictions propensity that one would have. Now, by the same token, two people born on the same day, and you may get, and of course, millions of people are born on the same day, but you may get one person who actually becomes highly addictive to something or other with the exact same chart and someone who does not. Right. And they take that Neptune in a different way in into art or whatever it is that they or music or dance or something like that was the aesthetics of life, and then you've got the guy who who doesn't. And end up just laying in the street and can't dysfunction. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

So you do have that, and that is uh free will. Free will, and also your your family of origin. What support system do you have? Would did you grow up and feel loved? Did you were your Did they drink at home? Right. And and and when you when you did, you know, try to be honest about your urges or whatever, with were you met with uh acceptance and approval and and support, or was was there this negative feedback that you then felt they need to rebel against? Oh like, oh if I can't, if I'm told I can't do that, I want to do that secretly, you know, and then there's that as part.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Yes, this is it, because um and and and we're not just even talking about street drugs here, we're talking about regular, like painkillers and things that you may be prescribed, prescription drugs that you are prescribed for whatever reason, that too is represented by Neptune.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Yep, absolutely. And it's consciousness altering.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

Yes, yeah, and um, anything that you that you take to escape whatever it is that you're within is represented by Neptune. So it really does come down to where is Neptune, yeah, which house is it in, which sign is it in, because it's in a sign for what, 14 years? Yeah, right? 12 years, yeah. Yeah, 12, 14 years, and um it will be in a different house for you particularly, which is an indication of where the addictive behavior will occur. Right. And then um any aspects to Neptune, particularly conjunctions, are likely to indicate the type of entryway. Yeah, uh, the gateway, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

And and just to be really clear, this isn't something where you are going to be able to look at someone's chart and say, oh, they've got Neptune here or there, and they've got bad aspects, and that means they will be, they will have an addictive personality. No, that is absolutely not what we're saying. What we're saying is is that after the fact, you can look back and you can kind of you can see, oh, this is a tendency. And that that tendency might express itself in a completely different way. It might express itself in in art or in music or in the desire to be on the stage and to lose themselves in a role. Like that is a very much like I've got I've got Neptune Square, my sun, and Neptune Square my uh Mercury. Right. So I make my living writing and crafting other people's words and editing and doing art. And yes, I like to drink and I like to have some coffee and whatever else that I'm not gonna talk about on the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

But oh, and surely hello.

SPEAKER_00 11:31

But but exactly another person could have been born the same day as me, and they could be, you know, out on the street doing whatever, and you'd be like, Oh, well, they do have Neptune square all these things. And so it it's not something prescriptive where you can say, Oh, well, that's why this.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

But yeah, you can't look at a chart and say, Oh, she's got the Sun Square Neptune, she's going to be there.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

It's just as much as you can't look at someone that someone's chart and say, Oh, they're gonna be unfaithful. Well, no, but maybe they're a flirt, or maybe they, you know, like to fantasize about whatever, or maybe they'll be a romance novel writer, or you know, you you can't it's it's Neptune is about expansion of the mind and glamour and illusion and and the fact that life is sometimes dreary and pedestrian, and we we need beauty in our lives and we need grace, and and sometimes that just doesn't come about through the normal act of getting up and going to work and coming home and making dinner and going to bed. And we as humans have had all these substances and all of these ways of enhancing our lives. And and I would include absolutely art in these art and and music and the theater and anything that gets us out of ourselves, but that can also have a dark side because sometimes it's it's like a fetish. The fetish becomes the pursuit, as opposed to, oh, I I like the way you know you look in that outfit versus now I'm obsessed with shoes and I need to whatever, right? Yes. And and I, yeah. So drugs, yes, Neptune, but also it depends on what drug. Uh alcohol is very Neptunian. I would say, I was saying the narcotics are very Neptunian because they numb the pain and they put a glaze over reality. But there are tons of drugs that are that are not Neptunian. There are cocaine and and and caffeine and stimulants that are very much about Mars and about Mercury, people who uh people who take Adderall to get through their exam. And the flip side of Adderall is methamphetamine. And these are the same drug, essentially. You are prescribing one is an incredibly highly prescribed drug that helps people to focus if they have ADHD or if they're trying to get through their same thing. Yeah, it's trying to get through their exams, and the other, which is the same chemical composition, is one of the most vilified drugs of all time. Because why? Because I mean, it's set and setting. It's set and setting. And it's also the person who's taking it, because some people can handle just doing a little bit of this or that on the weekend or uh a tiny bit of this or that with in a social situation, or a tiny bit of this or that to finish their their paper, and then some people can do the same exact thing, and all of a sudden it's a downward spiral. So yeah, yeah. And honestly, as astrologers, we cannot see that in the chart. We cannot see pre, you know, uh preemptively, oh, you're gonna clearly have a problem with cocaine, or you're gonna do that. Don't ever smoke a joint because you will become addicted and you'll it'll be down. You can't say that just looking at the chart. But what we can do is say, okay, you clearly have the predisposition to see things in a glamorous way, to want to enhance life and to want to alter your senses. And and who doesn't really? But I mean, some people can get through their entire life and never have a drink and never want to, and that's absolutely fine. But I would say probably the majority of people across the world have done some kind of thing, whether it's just having a drink or having a coffee or having a tea. And the difference is does that make your life unmanageable? Does that make your relationships unmanageable? Are you enhancing your life, enhancing your creative output, making your relationships better by doing these substances? Or is this something where it is triggering a negative spiral? And and there are absolutely people who should not do any substances because there's a brain chemistry thing that is triggered by certain substances that is unpredictable. And that's really important to note that you know, not everyone can like, oh, have a drink, have you know, have a just try a little puff, whatever. It's easy to say that, but everyone's brain is different. Yeah, you know, and and one person could maybe have like a few drinks every single day and not be considered an alcoholic. And another person who, like, I've known at least one person in my life who was uh an extreme alcoholic. And the way that I knew the difference between this person and every other person I know who could just go to the bar and have a few drinks every day and be social and nice is that the minute this guy had a couple of drinks, he would become mean and belligerent and paranoid. And I was shocked because I had never seen this before. And but when I first met him, he was in a sober phase and he had been uh he had been working in the film industry and he would go for like six months, nine months, never having a drink and being the most professional person ever. But he would always apologize, he was always very apologetic about and I never understood why. I was just like, wow, it's he's so nice, whatever. And then he was on a drinking binge and we didn't hear from him for months. And then when we finally heard from him, there would be these long, long phone conversations where he was extremely belligerent and paranoid, and then he would apologize after that, and we were like, Oh, okay. Right. He was apologizing before the fact because he knew it was only a matter of time before he would relapse and and then we would see that side of it. But that's a very rare personality, but but it is a real thing, and and you know, so some people can have what whatever he was doing, some people can do that and have no bad effects. But then that person, it's like they can't touch anything, and yeah, it just changes them.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So I know we've been giving Neptune a bad rap for addiction, but there's also other planets that can contribute to these things, and one of them is Pluto.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

And Pluto is the planet of transformation, death, and birth, and it can be critical to certain activities.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

Yeah, and it's also the planet of of authority and control and the underworld, but also pharmaceutical companies and and the mafia and and um all sorts of uh dark. Yes, yes, the the dark underground forces that sort of run the world under underground. It's it's that underground uh that network of I I remember this wonderful book I read like several years ago called McMahon. And it was about all the different, all the different underground trades that run the world secretly, like these networks of not only drugs, but but sex trafficking and gambling. And and now, of course, there's this huge AI layer over it and computer, you know, hackers and things like that that steal massive amounts of money or or like the the romance scanners as as well. Exactly. So and and those can be addictive as well, because what they do is anyone who is trading in these things, they they will prey on the weaknesses and the addictive personalities of people who you know may not have like a normal outlet for love or for self-expression or whatever. And and they're very susceptible to like, oh, a get rich, a get rich quick scheme or a romance scheme where it's like they've they've met a stranger and oh, there's a connection and I feel seen for the first time and blah, blah, blah. And then really all they want is your money. And it's this long, like this long con. Con or long con, yeah. It's exactly it. There's a Neptunian aspect because they're pulling the wool over your eyes and they're creating an illusion and a glamour, but at the same time, it's very dark and it's very organized. Yes. And these people aren't even the the the actual scammers themselves. I did a bit of uh research in this in one of my previous uh day jobs, and these these romance scammers are often uh it's actually incredibly sad. There's if you if you picture like a server, you know, kind of farm or like a you know a kind of uh like a call center for people who, you know, the call center can be like a lovely thing, whereas just like the pure person who answers your tech support thing when you're calling about your phone and they're you know located in like Eastern Europe or you know, Asia somewhere, and you get to call and you're like, okay, well, you know, and they're not like the actual company, it's like this sec third party. But there's also these these rooms full of people who are making very little money and they're embroiled in these scams, and they actually are you know forced to make all these all these calls until they find someone who's vulnerable. Yeah, and so you can't even blame them and say, Oh, this is an evil person, this is a terrible, like this, this, you know. I mean, they're they too themselves are victims. They themselves are victims. They're they're almost being trafficked into creating these terrible criminal enterprises. Yes. And it's probably just this poor like 20-year-old in this like destitute country, and he's probably just trying to put food on his you know, family's uh plates. And yeah, yeah. So yeah, that's very Plutonian. That that the network of of addiction and and the network of preying on other people's weaknesses and addictions. And yeah, yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

And this is it. There are I I don't think we can just say that it astrologically there's one or even two planets that really rule addiction, depending on the actual addiction itself. The um like smoking, for instance, smoking cigarettes is very mercurial in Neptune. It's this oral fixation and you're fiddling with your hands and you're gonna be like, it's fast.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

It's like it takes two minutes to go through a cigarette, so it's it's fast, it's that fast hit. And you know, back in the 60s and 70s, we all smoked. Oh, it was a social thing. I was the only non-smoker working in restaurants. Wow. When I worked in restaurants, and all of my friends, all my co-workers, they'd be like, We're gonna go for a smoke, can you watch the floor? And I would be like left on the floor watching, you know, all the tables, and all my co-workers would be out smoking. Yeah. And I never started, thank God.

SPEAKER_01 22:35

You never smoked. Oh no, I think I smoked definitely back in the back in the 70s and 80s.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

I mean, I'm not saying I was an angel, I did things, but I didn't ever get addicted to cigarettes, thank God.

SPEAKER_01 22:43

And talking about it, my doctor, my actual gynecologist who delivered my first child 40 years ago, he used to smoke in his office. I said, Okay, well, just And he put it down and do the inspection and come back and wow and it was just the done thing. Sure, yeah, that's it was a quick time. And yeah, you just you didn't think a thing about it.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

Right, because everyone smoked. Well, we used to be able to smoke on airplanes, but not in all like the smoking section. Can you imagine? Oh, just cover some the smoking section. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

That's why airplanes are going to astralis, but I mean, or cars are used to. Yeah. But we've clumped down, we've realized, and um, and there are, I don't know, we don't we need a watchdog on everything, but they reckon that, like with alcohol, that if alcohol was discovered today, it would be immediately banned. It wouldn't go out into the streets. It's because it was made hundred odd years ago and with people making still.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Yeah, and because it's got such a strong effect. Anything they discover now that has that much of a strong effect, they're like, oh my god, we need to regulate this right away. Yeah. But alcohol, it just got grandfathered in because it's been around forever.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

But they're saying now that they're saying there's less less drinkers, less wine, but people are just stepping back from it. The the the Gen Z are just not drinking, they're not smoking, they're just not doing it. And um I don't know if if it's a good thing or not, it's not my place to comment on society, but it was different when we were young.

SPEAKER_00 24:10

But it's not that they're free of addictions, they're that's a good point because they are addicted to their phones, they're phone addictions too, but they're that they're addicted to their phones, they're also addicted to there's a huge gambling thing now, like these microtransactions, they're games, like the video games that they that this entire generation and they gamify everything, don't they? Gamify everything. And and then there's this micro transactions where as soon as they have your account, they're like, you're just dripping a tiny bit of like income into into all these apps constantly. And you think that's not an addiction? 100% it's an addiction. Even the even the dating apps are a bit of an addiction because if you are uh no offense to anyone, uh like just you know, please uh take everything we're saying with a grain of salt, please. But uh, but if you're seeing, you know, just person after person after person, you're swiping left and left and left or right, whichever it is that you're you know, you're like, nope, nope, nope, oh yes, you know, and there's like it's a hit of dopamine every time because it's like a game, it's like a video game. You you you don't want to stop. It's like you don't want to stop scrolling. Oh, one more, you know, one more story, one more story, one more video, one more person. More like, yeah, like, like, like you're scrolling past them and you see, oh well, like it's it's just like being on a slot machine at you know with the gambling. Yeah, it's like, oh, well, if I don't swipe one more time, maybe that one guy is like, you know, just two swipes away, right? Yeah, and you're just looking, you're waiting for that one hit of dopamine, like, oh, that guy, yeah, it's okay, I'll swipe right on him or whatever. Yeah, right. And the apps know that they've gamified addiction.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

Yeah, and it's even social media, it's the same thing, just with the likes on other things.

SPEAKER_00 25:48

As simple as Instagram and Facebook, they absolutely are banking on addiction in a very real way. I've read a couple of audiobooks, listen to whatever you want to call it, about the actual uh people who design the games or the social media platforms. And 100% they know that they're making it more addictive. They know that they're just feeding into that dopamine hit that you get when you when there's something that's uncertain. It's about uncertainty, and then it's like, oh, will it? Won't it? You know? Like, oh, it's it's a gambling thing. Yeah, and the stock market is the same way. Yeah, I mean, all of these things are addictions, it's not just chemicals.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

And with Neptune now in Aries, it's actually people are becoming more aware of it. Yeah. This business of the social media one, which is very subtle, but you don't realize you're doing it. Yeah. And um, I think I've mentioned before in September I went on a social media detox and I I don't I offloaded them off my devices. Yeah, and I've actually never gone back. Oh wow. But um, it's it was I would wake up first thing and check is did I get a like on that image? You know, yeah. And you don't realize you're even doing it. Right. So addictive behavior can occur, can happen to anyone at any time. Yeah. Um but in your chart, which is what we're trying to get to, is that if I do think that you need to look at the Neptune complex to see what's actually there. Yeah. And um, if Neptune's standing alone strong, that's great. Yeah. If you've got Pisces rising, you've got Neptune as your chart ruler, which does strengthen Neptune. Yeah. But apart from that, um, whatever aspects you have, you said what you've got the Sun Square, Neptune, so you are aware of whatever it is you're doing, which is one thing, Arwen. Yeah. Whereas I have the moon conjoined my Neptune, and I really it's got to be uh overeating, I would say, for me personally. It's like they're just chopping away for no particular reason.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

And um for an emotional reason, maybe. Well, yes, right, because that's a good one. Emotional eating, uh, a lot of people. I mean, yeah, that's that's that's one of the major things that people say is that you uh it's uh comfort food, right? Comfort food, exactly. Yeah, and you know, the key to overcoming all of this is awareness. 100%, yes. And oh I we were just talking about the different planets, and when you said uh like so Venus, think about um the um uh social uh what's the word? Plassive surgery addiction. Ooh, right? I will not watch one of those shows, but I know they exist. And and the shows where you know people are addicted and they can't stop. They get one or two, and then they're just like, oh, well, it's not perfect, and they're like, and they've got like 17 different nose jobs, and they're like, just stop. Like, oh my god, you were good like 12 episodes, you know, 12 procedures ago, but they can't see it. And and it's the same thing with with eating disorders. It's like either you're you know overeating for comfort or you're you're addicted to this this perfection image, and so you're not eating correctly, or you're you know purging or yeah, taking diet pills or whatever, because you you're chasing after this this image, this Neptunian image that is illusion or society that's for sure, yes, but but not everyone is is susceptible to that. We all live in the same society, but not everyone is is is going down that road of of chasing this addictive thing. I mean, some people can just you know kind of ignore it and be like, I look like what I look like, or some people will just work out and be like, okay, well, this is good as it's gonna get. Yeah, and some people are they can't stop, they can't stop themselves from I need to be just this much better, I need to, yeah, I need to have this little thing tucked or I need to, you know, just shave this off and yeah, tattoo those eyebrows handles. Oh, yes, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Yeah, yeah. So I think too that um if we uh if we look at our main planet, which is Neptune, that wherever Neptune is in your chart, if you get um strong transits to that Neptune position, that is likely to be a potential for addictive behavior to begin.

SPEAKER_00 29:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:39

And whilst the transit is in place, say for instance you get Uranus conjointure Neptune, unexpectedly out of the blue, you are likely to get some kind of addiction behavior because Uranus is there. Yeah, and whilst it's in orb, that will continue. But then as Uranus moves away, it too shall pass. So even though transits come and go in progressions as well, or from what from multiple planets, let's face it, to your Neptune, which is your your planet of addiction, yeah, um, that is likely to be be triggered and something will pop up and it could last for six to eight months or a year on some of these planets, or 18 months with Pluto, and um, but then it it will pass and it will pass away.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

So it we all throughout our lives will be getting transits to our Neptune. Yes. And I'm not talking about the sun and Mercury and that. I'm talking about the bigger heavy hitters, yeah. Where they're coming and they're staying for a while, making themselves comfortable.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

So you have a period of weakness, a valley, a dark, dark valley of the soul or a dark, whatever they call it, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Yeah. Yeah. So I think too that that I would I want to give people hope too, that if something has cropped up, it is likely to crop down as well, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

100%. Look for those valleys and and and know when you are at your weakest and shore up that shore up your support system and your your um yeah, your whatever personal strength you have, and be aware that that's coming.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 31:06

Or people around you.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

Yeah, and as an astrology point of view, if people come to you and they're saying, I've got a problem, I'm addicted to XYZ, or this is a turning into a problem, yeah, you can then at least say there's light at the end of the tunnel because it will pass if it's a transit. Yeah. Which it generally is. Right. It comes to, and by the same token, when Neptune is transiting across something in your chart, say it conjoins your sun or it can join your ascendant, you are likely then to be exposed to perhaps addictive behavior that you think nothing of to start with. Right. And then you you wake up and you think, hang on a minute. Yeah, I'm not enjoying this anymore. That's right. Um, and um you also get it with um wherever your Neptune is placed, that people whose sun is on the same position as your Neptune will trigger addictive behaviors in you. Interesting. So wherever your wherever your Neptune is, for um, for instance, um, for instance, if it's a four Sagittarius, anyone with a sun at that position will straight away trigger that and say, Oh, have another drink, or why don't you have some of this, or why don't you try that? And you get that too. So you need to watch out for people who are actually triggering your chart, yeah, just automatically. And it's not just the sun, it will be the other planets too.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

Of course, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_01 32:22

Yeah, yeah, that's and also see that you're doing it to other people. If your son is on there, Neptune, maybe you are the catalyst. You're the one saying, Have another drink. Yeah, come on, why are you leaving? It's like your mother-in-law saying, Have another slice of chocolate cake. Why don't you eat my food? Yeah, you're making me cry, and they are um putting you into it to say, Oh, okay, I'll eat your chocolate cake, but you had no intention of eating and you haven't eaten chocolate for a month. 100%. They they will trigger it for you. So watch out for that as well.

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Absolutely. And this is why it's not just about chemicals, because I think just telling that story, we can all kind of imagine a time where where someone was triggering something that we were trying to be good, and maybe it was food, maybe it was drinks, maybe it was chemicals, or maybe it was someone flirting with us in just that way, where you're like unprotective sex, just this once. Yeah, or you're married, you're you're working and you're staying late at the office party, and that cute guy is just like, come on, just stay for another week. Well no, you're yeah, like your husband can pick you up later. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:24

Yeah, so be aware of who you're who you're spending your time with. Yeah, well, your triggers are too.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

And I mean, obviously, those those trigger people are gonna they're gonna be exp especially attractive. It's not they're not gonna have like glamour you.

SPEAKER_01 33:38

That's the thing. Yeah, and it might be people in your own family, it might be your kids, it might be your parents, it might be your siblings, or someone you admire, someone at work that you are, you know, you think of like, oh, that's like the cool person at work or the yeah, cool person at school. Um it's a and you know, this is not the first thing we look at it astrologically. We don't say, Where's my Neptune? Where's yours? What's triggering my Neptune from your chart? Because I can't be living with it. But you need to be doing that.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Yeah. Well, especially if you feel like, and and here's the this is such a gray area. It's such a, I mean, Neptune is all about gray areas, right? Because if this is, I mean, yeah, if you're looking at your Neptune and going, oh no, this other person has their son, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you might think of that person as your idol. They could be your guru, your your muse. And that could be an amazing thing. It doesn't have to be triggering an addiction. It's just about whether or not that's something that's a problem for you. And that's that's all about that personal agency, where it's like, okay, if they're triggering Neptune, what does that mean for you? Does that mean for you that they're this is someone you admire, that you glamorize, that you think, oh my God, they can do no wrong. They are they are at the pinnacle of creativity, blah, blah, blah. Fine, great, that's awesome. It could also, with the very same aspect to your Neptune, be someone who is leading you down the garden path of like, oh, just come on one more, blah, blah, blah. And then next thing you know, you're doing things you normally wouldn't, and you feel bad about yourself. That's the key, is to know how it's affecting you personally and not just be like, oh my God, it's this person, they're like diabolical. Well, no, maybe they're just themselves and that the way it affects you is a negative thing. Yeah. So it's all about self-awareness and and knowing your limitations and knowing uh what what kinds of things are affecting you negatively, but also maybe which things are eye-opening and wonderful. Because things that can be addictive can also be good on the flip side, be wonderful and mind expanding, and we want experiences that get us out of our comfort zone.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Yes, yes. You know? True, true.

SPEAKER_00 35:39

It's a very it's it's yeah, it's complicated.

SPEAKER_01 35:41

It's a it's a complicated subject, it really is. It really is.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Yeah. So we've been talking a little bit about how astrology shows up as how addiction shows up in an astrology chart, and how you can see whether you, you know, people are making you addictive in some way or you are making them addictive in some way by the connections to your Neptune. Um, and also, well, the other planets too, but to Neptune in general. But um, I do want to say that if you if you are um if you know someone who actually needs help, I think it is your you need to step up and say something, do something, and try and help people. Maybe they they don't even realize they they need help, they need to talk to somebody. And I think there are many programs out there and people you can reach out to, certainly here in Canada. There definitely are, and I'll put some links below this podcast to um Canadian um support systems for uh addictive behavior. But um, even if you're listening to this quietly and you've you've got some kids or something that are needing help, you the point is to get help for them, reach out and um do something about don't just be a bystander to this. That's what I want to say.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

We know it's hard. We've yeah, I mean, I've had friends who have worked in addiction services, and one of them is a Pisces, and it's it's hard, it's crazy hard. Like she got to the point where she was literally drinking every day just to get through work. Right. Because the people she was helping were were so far gone. And we know it's hard. Yeah, it's not it's nothing to be taken light of, but but yet, but yet uh it can be gotten through, it can be uh ameliorated by by help and support. Yes, and um, and if you have anyone obviously in your family, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

And we do feel that people who listen to our podcast are um uh a little bit more uh perhaps enhanced or aware of what's going on. And um we do urge you not to not to be a bystander, to actually do something to speak up and offer offer a help or offer a to listen and and help people, you know. Yeah, yeah, totally. Great. Yeah, so that's great. In this episode, we've been talking about addiction and how it shows up in an astrology chart. We've mainly focused on Neptune, although we have touched on how the other planets also can um bring these addictive behaviors forward. If you have found value in this episode, please do consider sharing it with anybody who'd be interested. If you're listening on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, give us a like. If you're listening to us on YouTube, give us a comment and give us a like. We do appreciate that. Make sure you're subscribed. Additionally, make sure that you're getting the StarzLife, uh, Starzoology Astrology newsletter, and you can sign up at starzoology.com forward newsletter. That comes out every Sunday with some opinion and some links to our latest podcast. Additionally, make sure you're getting Arwen's newsletter, and you can find Arwen at I'm at Ms.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

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SPEAKER_01 38:37

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