238. PRENATAL ECLIPSES: 🧡 Advanced natal astrology

In astrology, your PRENATAL ECLIPSE is the eclipse which occurred last before your birth. Typically, you would look at the solar eclipse for this technique.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to the Star Zology Astrology Podcast. I'm your host, Alison Price, and I'm here with my good friend and co-host, Arwen O'Neill. Hello, Alison. It's great to be here. So nice to have you once more. So in this episode, we're going to be talking about prenatal eclipses. Right. I love that. It's one of those, yeah, there's a there's something. It's it's what I call advanced natal astrology. Yes, it absolutely is. Yeah. And um not everybody uses it, and maybe it's news to some people. Yeah. And that's great. So in general, we have eclipses, right? Yeah. We've got a solar eclipse, we've got a lunar eclipse. We've got about two of each per year, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. Usually at the minimum, sometimes there's more. And I remember in 1935, I think there were seven. It was record yeah, because it was just the way it was, it would the the sun was positioned. So technically the sun has to be within 18 degrees of a node. Okay. And then it has to be a new or a full moon, and then there is potential for an eclipse.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Well, I mean, nothing important or significant was happening in 1935, right? Well, yeah, there's a good point. Yeah. I mean, if if ever there was a year where Europe turned over.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Yeah. Well, when we do our history, we'll we'll dig into that as well because that's an interesting thing. Yeah. So anyway, the idea is that you we get eclipses every six months, and there's two or three at a time, and they're called eclipse seasons. Yep. And so in each year you're going to have an eclipse season early in the year and one later in the year, and they slowly s they slowly slide as the years go on. Yeah. But there's always two six months apart. I've always wondered about that. So if they happen six months apart, why do we call it eclipse season? Well, that's a new trend.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Is that because just everything has to be a season these days? Like, well, apparently podcast seasons.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

We're in our growth season and this and that. It's like an era. Yeah. So when I started astrology, they weren't called seasons, which is called the the first eclipse grouping. Okay, cool. And then the second. But now we have eclipse season because it's a good way of Yeah. Yeah, it's got nothing to do with the seasons at all, actually. But it's we get two groups, we get two sets of eclipses, the early one and the late one. So now we say it's the first season of the year or the second season of the year, and those are where the eclipses happen. Cool. Okay. And there would always be a solar eclipse and then a lunar eclipse associated with it two weeks before or after.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Oh, that's good to know. Yeah. Yeah. And but what we're going to be talking about today is prenatal eclipses. Right. So prenatal means pre-means before, and natal means before birth. Yeah. The before birth. So what we're talking about is eclipses that happened when you were still in your mother's wound in the nine months she was pregnant.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah. So the I mean, usually we my boggles, right? We're in there for nine months. Yes. So there could potentially be two. Two seasons. I mean two solar eclipses, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Yes. Yes. Or multiple. Multiple. Exactly. And um so with our when we're working with prenatal eclipses, one generally takes the the eclipse most before the birth. Most closely. The most the one closest to the actual birth. So technically it could be the day before or even the day. If you were born on an eclipse, as some people are. Yeah. You know, Prince William and Prince Catherine are both born on eclipses, which is six months apart.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

Pope John Paul famously. Is that right? Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

Yeah. So so that your prenatal eclipse could happen anytime between well, the day you were born, basically, and going back six months. Okay, yeah. Or you may have had prenatal eclipses a month before you were born, and then again another six months prior to that, so seven months before you were born. Exactly, yeah. Yeah. And even kids that are prematurely born, say it's seven months, still can squeak in an eclipse there. Oh, for sure. And I understand that they can get it down to 20 weeks for survival, but I'm not sure about that. So technically, if that was you, you may not actually have an eclipse, then you would have to go back to prior.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

But the survival rate is anyway, seven months you can definitely can definitely keep you keep things moving.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

For sure. That's I mean, yeah, that's one of those scientific things that's probably getting more and more younger and younger, yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

The viability of the birth is is very much in question. Right. But say, for instance, you've got twins or triplets, they tend to want to deliver them two weeks early or something like that. So anyway, no matter where you are or when you were born, there will be a prenatal eclipse that you would go back and find. So technically, there could be the eclipse prior to your birth could be a solar eclipse or it could be a lunar eclipse.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

That was gonna be my next question.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So if it's a lunar eclipse, I always go back to the solar because solar eclipses are the beginning of the cycle. Yeah. Whereas the lunar is the um culmination of the cycle.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Yes. Okay. And there's some because this is a a bit of a topic that's sort of piqued my interest of of late. Yeah. And uh prenatal eclipses in general, and um, so I don't know if you know, but when you're pregnant, there's something called quickening. Yeah. And this, yes. So when the when the mother can feel the first movement of the fetus, that's known as the quickening. And the doctors always want to you to remember that date and tell them when it was, because it can definitely date your pregnancy, because of course you could have fallen pregnant in a week of period. Right, yeah, yeah, of course. So, whatever that date is, and this is where this saying, the quick and the dead comes from, because if you are quick, you're alive and therefore moving, or you're dead.

SPEAKER_01 5:24

Wow. Yes. I always thought it had something to do with dueling in the old west.

SPEAKER_00 5:27

I know. Well, I think that's really what you're either quick or you're dead. Well, yeah. But um, so it goes that way as well. And it it occurs to me that this this time period can be around 18 to 24 weeks is when that happens, because the ki the fetus has to be big enough to make an impression on the mother, and it has to have had the growth in its um lifetime, even though a fetus could be older, it may not have got the weight or the heft to for the mother to feel the movement. Right. So and I think there's some connection here with these prenatal eclipses, and I'm not saying it happens on those days, but what I'm saying is there has to be some kind of um we know there's life happening, and and you get these moms who put um a Mozart on headphones on their belly to put what's it called, um, majors for minors or something.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Oh, that was such a trend, true, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yes, and if you argue a lot when you're pregnant, it affects the child and this sort of thing. So um there's no reason why a prenatal eclipse wouldn't either.

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Right, absolutely. Yeah, that's a great point. Here's a here's a hilarious digression, and I'm just gonna just jive into this one. My mother um was pregnant with me in the 70s, of course, because I was born in 1973. Right. And uh she was living in Toronto at the time when she was pregnant. And sorry, Vancouver. Anyway, uh, Canada. And Neil Young was was just coming up in in his uh fame. And sh my my dad was a huge fan, so they went to a concert when she was pregnant with me, and she uh got sort of, you know, kind of crushed up against the stage a little bit by the fans and uh kind of had to be, you know, pulled out of the, out of the out of the it wasn't a mosh pit, but you know, it's the 70s, it was you know, whatever. But she, you know, kind of got lightheaded and had to be pulled away and was just like, oh my god, you know. And ever since then I hated Neil Young. When I was a kid, anytime Neil Young would play, I would scream and cry, and I could never stand to hear Neil Young when I was a kid. Which was you know, much to my father's consternation, I would, I would think. Yes. Yeah, and my mother insists it's because she took me to this concert when she was pregnant with me.

SPEAKER_00 7:39

Exactly. Yeah. And I think what what you do as a mother when you are pregnant does affect the child. Oh, for sure. Things that upset you upset that too. And you get you're getting worked up about something. The kids getting worked up about something.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

I mean, they talk about like, you know, kids uh of of um mothers who are pregnant during, you know, huge uh events like 9-11 or something like that, where the stress hormones I mean now we know it's stress hormones, like that's a real thing, like cortisol, and and it affects everything. Everything you know, all the systems. Yeah. I mean, the the child is surviving off of your your body. So if your body is pumping out stress chemicals, it's it's so true.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

So true, it really is. And um it's kind of interesting. There's not much research being done into it. Um, the actual uh prenatal eclipse is in vitro, meaning, you know, while you're still because you have to find a pregnant mother who's open to uh astrological conversation. Yeah. And um, of course, um just because you've got a prenatal eclipse, that is just a feature, it's uh it becomes a point in your chart, but of course, your actual birth chart reigns supreme. Let's let's be quite clear there that we're not going to say this eclipse is going to eclipse your birth. Yeah. It's just one of the things. You see what I did there. Yeah, very good, yes. So um, you will still have at your birth chart that of the of the moment you were born when you took your first breath, but it's interesting to go back to see, well, where is this eclipse? Because there are not many other actual pointers that you can link back to during that nine months apart from the quickening. So that was that was another thing as well.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

Yeah, so it's kind of it's I think it's interesting. It's um it's one of those things that you think, gosh, I I need to explore this further, or or not, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:17

It's one of those things too, uh, where there's there's just gonna be more and more research that's done from a kind of a ground-up holistic or whatever it's called, gr grassroots kind of level. Yes. Like um, there was this website I used to absolutely love, and it kind of fell by the wayside, or it I mean, I think it might even still be live, but no one's really um keeping it up. And it was about your sun, moon, and rising sign, and people sent in photos of you know, based on their holy trinity, so to speak, of like their sun, their moon, and the rising sign, and it grouped all these people together. And you could see these crazy similarities, right?

SPEAKER_02 9:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:50

And uh when that website kind of you know stopped being updated very much, uh there was a Facebook group, and it got a bit helterskelter, you know, like people are just you know posting all sorts of weird junk, and who knows, you know, how accurate things were. Yes. But I could see this being something where a Facebook group or or some kind of grassroots, you know, crowdsource kind of thing could be really interesting for researching that kind of stuff. Because of course it's not gonna be, you know, universally funded, but no, no, yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

So, you know, I've been digging into quite a lot of the charts in my family and and discovering their prenatal eclipses and exploring this further. Um, and um, you know, but if you're going to do astrological research, honestly you need a thousand charts, and I've probably got 15 at this point. So if anyone's interested in having wanting to send me their data, I'd be interested to know about that. Cool. Yeah, we'll get more to that at the end. Yeah. So yeah, so the idea is that um syzygy, which is, yes, there's a word for that's a word that comes across words. So that means that the sun, the moon, and the the sun, the sun, the moon, and the earth are all lined up to create an eclipse. If they're not fully lined up, there is no eclipse because there's a lot of near misses, but there's it only as as the sun and the moon come towards the moon's node, which is where the moon crosses the sun's path, that's the eclipse point. Right. Okay. Just just by the way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:13

That seems right for a diagram.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I would encourage anyone who's listening and already thinking, what are they talking about? Click through to the blog post, there's a lot more information there as well. Yep. So I also talk a bit more about the two types of eclipses, solar eclipse and lunar eclipse, and their general meaning. You know, I mean, but you can go into um that anyway. If you're an astrology student, you would definitely but prenatal eclipses are kind of interesting. And I do have some thoughts about why you would even study prenatal eclipses in the first point. Okay. Who has time, right? As I say, the your birth chart always always remains the foundation of the chart interpretation. It's like the mothership of your life, and everything else hinges on it. So your prenatal eclipse never replaces your birth chart, but it becomes a point within it. Oh. Much like the part of fortune, the vertex, or the nodes. I love that. Yeah. And with studying a prenatal eclipse, it may reveal underlying life themes because it's right there, unconscious motivations, areas of personal development, karmic or evolutionary patterns, and another chart to compare to the natal horoscope. Yeah. What chart you say? The eclipse chart, we answer.

SPEAKER_01 12:24

Right. So the eclipse chart, do you then use it as a like um, do you put that in a biwheel then with your birth chart? How do you how do you then apply it to your own chart? How do you think?

SPEAKER_00 12:36

Well, first of all, I would want to find out where where when the eclipse was. Yeah. We would then cast the chart for that eclipse and get the exact position and then take that position and put it into your natal chart to see where in your chart the eclipse occurred. Of the sun or the moon? Of the whichever it was.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

So okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

What do you mean of the sun and the moon? Right, exactly. So the moon, I mean, uh an eclipse is the sun and the moon rea uh in in relationship to each other. Yes. So when you say you take the eclipse chart, are you taking the point where the sun I'm acting as the complete No no, I understand.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

I just want clarity on the question. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 13:11

The question is, um, when you're taking something from that eclipse chart, you're not comparing the entire chart to your birth chart, right? Or are you? Uh no, not at that point. Right. So we are are you taking the placement of the sun or the moon and putting it into your birth chart? Well the eclipses occur at the moon. So it's always going to be the moon. Even if it's a so we're only talking solar eclipses and we're only talking the position of the moon.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

It could be lunar, but still then the pos the eclipse occurs where the moon is. Okay, okay, cool. Good to know. Awesome. So I do have an example chart on the blog post, and it's from uh for Keanu Reeves, who we may uh know who he is. We do. And um, I thought he was in a Canadian, but Darren Tutin, no, he was born in Beirut, Lebanon. Wow. Who knew? So, anyway, I've got his chart there, and I've got his natal chart on the blog post, and um, you'd have to click through, and I'm sorry if you're just listening. But anyway, the point being that I have inserted his prenatal eclipse, which is this position right here at 17, um, his prenatal eclipse was at 17 cancer. Wow. So it's right here in his 11th house conjoint his moon. And that's how I would if you're my client, I'll put that in. I'll write it in PNE, prenatal eclipse. Wow. What year was he born? He was born in 1964, September the second. Wow. Yes, 1964. So that's that's what I'm noting here. So on his birth chart, this is how you would note it. On his birth chart, you write prenatal eclipse, you put the position. I also then just write at the top on the right, the prenatal eclipse was at 17 cancer. It was a north node eclipse, because it's either going to be a south node or a north node eclipse, and the Saros series is uh two north. So that's an we'll get to that in a minute. That's another conversation.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

So the position of the moon is what we're looking at in the eclipse chart. That's the important thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Well, yes, you see, if you don't know what an eclipse is, you can go to your ephemeris and find it, and it will tell you the exact position the eclipse is at 17 degrees can so 52.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

But as opposed to looking at the position of the sun. We're looking at the position of the mountain. Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. It's always where the moon is. Always the mountain.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

And you can you if you haven't got an ephemeris, get one. Otherwise, go to the NASA site and they will list all the eclipse positions. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Or Astro.com, actually, to be a good one. Okay. You can look at uh there, they have a they do? They have a 4,000-year ephemeris. You can look at any Yeah, and trust me, I've used that a lot.

SPEAKER_00 15:28

Well, you're gonna be using it later on tonight then, clearly.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

So anyway, so don't threaten me with a good time.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

So that's his chart there. So, first of all, let's just say how do you find your prenatal eclipse? I've got some thoughts on that again. So a the solar eclipse, you've got to look for the glyphs in the ephemeris. So the solar eclipse glyph looks like a conjunction with the with the hole filled in, and then the lunar eclipse looks like an opposition with the holes filled in. Like a little dumbbell. Like a little dumbbell. Yeah. Yeah, because that's the sun and the moon at each side. Yeah. So if you're if you're looking at your ephemeris, the eclipses have these symbols, they're glyphs. That's what we're looking for. Cool. So you go to your your birth date and you look backwards to find the eclipse. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

So this is definitely something where you do need an ephemeris.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Well, you you kind of do.

unknown 16:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:19

You kind of do. Well, that's the easiest way to do it. So anyway, and um the idea being that you would then find the eclipse. As I say, if it's a lunar, then I would go back further to find the solar because that is the start point. Yeah. So anyway, um, you're looking for the solar eclipse, which was simply the last solar eclipse before you were born. You want to record the date, the zodiac sign in the exact position, including its degree, and it's listed in the ephemeris, so you can then go and actually cast that chart for your birthplace. So even if your mother was in Mexico when she was pregnant with you and the eclipse occurred, you still want your birthplace. Okay, and just that's really good to know. Yeah. Yep. So you can do this with the eyeball method. So if we look at your birth chart and we know that wherever the sun is, it has to have been within a six-month period the prenatal eclipse would have occurred. So it can only be clockwise from your sun at least half a chart. Okay. So as we're looking at Arwen's chart, we see her sun is there in the tenth house. So we could say, well, somewhere in this area of the chart is the eyeball method is going to be your prenatal eclipse. Okay. Yeah. Uh yeah. So that's what I'm calling it, the eyeball method. We're very technical here. Yeah, yeah. And then I do then have a diagram of Keanu Neves' prenatal eclipse chart. So this is the actual chart that occurred for him. So this was on uh he was born in September. This is now for July the 9th. And this is the actual this is the actual eclipse chart. And what I'm saying there is this is the seven, it's 17 counts of north node, Saras II. And there's the actual um, there's a diagram there where the sun and the moon are absolutely conjunct of that solar eclipse. This is the eclipse chart, his prenatal eclipse chart. Got it. Cool. Now bear in mind that anyone born in that six-month period that he was will have the same prenatal eclipse chart. For sure. Yeah. Um that is to, you know, interpret that as you will, there's a lot going on there too. Where the eclipse occurs is important because that means the area of life where the eclipse is actually going to be um of significance. For example, if you have a fourth, a fourth house prenatal eclipse, it may emphasize your home, family, and roots. If you have a seventh house prenatal eclipse, it may highlight partnerships. Obviously, these are the house meanings. And then if you have, say, a tenth house prenatal eclipse, it may point towards career, reputation, and public life. So you need to understand a bit about astrology to even start with this. This is not the first thing you're gonna learn. Yeah, but um, it's important. So let's just go back one step and find Arwen's. Ta-da! Yay, let's do that. Prenatal eclipse.

SPEAKER_01 18:51

So, because I did this earlier, it's just like one of those cooking shows where it's like out of flam.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

Yeah, I I prepared this earlier. So I've gone back to um from your birth date, and I find that the uh prenatal eclipse for you is on June the 30th of the birth year. And it's at 9 Cancer and it's the 11th south. Wow. So if it's at 9 cancer in your chart, we're going to find it now in the ninth house. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

It's conjunct my south node, no? Yes. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Well you exactly. And Saturn. Yes. Exactly. So that is the that is the eclipse for the chart that you need to go and dig out and analyze. And then I also did it for myself, which I've known about for years, but anyway, so for my my uh prenatal eclipse was on the April the 8th of that year at 18 Aries. Yeah, that's in my uh tenth house. Amazing. So the point being that it's still within it, as you can see, it's quite within the half of the chart from the sun clockwise, and also because we know it's at the node, I mean we can see the node large as life, the eclipse is going to be happening there. Yeah. Um, yeah. So you had south node, and I too had a south node. Yeah. Prenatal eclipse. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Very cool. Okay, so let's just have a look at so so what do we care? What are we looking at? So, really, what you wanted to find is where does this um prenatal eclipse point in your chart make connections? And if it's making conjunctions, such as we see in your chart, because it's at the south node and it's actually conjoining Saturn too. Yeah. So the a conjunction blends the eclipse energy directly to the natal planet. Okay? And this often makes the eclipse influence highly personal and easier to recognise throughout your life. If it's conjoined a planet, that planet is going to be carrying that nature of your eclipse as well, because it's blended. But if it's just randomly plonked, such as mine is, it's not conjoining. Yeah. Interesting. So that's the first thing. Yeah. And then if it's uh opposing, so the opposition creates polarity and it may indicate an ongoing need to balance the two areas of experience or integrate contrasting qualities. So admittedly, it's opposing the north node. It would be, it's going to be connecting to a node. Yeah. But you've got you've got your prenatal eclipse conjoining Saturn, but the it's not opposing anything. Yeah. So, but conjunctions or oppositions are the only two aspects I use with eclipses, because that's the nature of eclipse.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

Of an eclipse, yeah, for sure. That makes sense. But it's interesting though that that there is a connection to the north node, or the south node, rather, both, essentially. Yeah, because those are sort of very similar to eclipses, you know, well, that's that's why the eclipse is there, because of the south node. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

So when we're eyeballing your chart, we can say, well, there's the it's gonna be over there somewhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah. Totally.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

So this is why. So here's the thing, too. If you are looking at somebody's natal chart and they just give it to you and say, What do you think of my chart? And you can immediately see that there's a planet can join the node, or the sun is conjoined the node, you could see whether prenatal eclipse is likely to occur just by eyeballing it. Obviously, you'd have to go and dig it. Exact degree, but the point is that you can see that and you can say, Oh, you were born at an eclipse, we have to check that. Yeah, and they'll be like, What? I know, I know. So the difference between solar and lunar, so really is it a solar-focused eclipse? Because solar eclipses are, or is it lunar focused? Some um astrologers here in Vancouver do lunar, I disagree, but anyway, let's talk it through. So the point being that you want to know if it's solar or lunar because each has a different emphasis. A prenatal solar eclipse points to beginnings, purpose, and future developments, which is what we we this is why we're living. Yeah. Whereas a prenatal lunar eclipse frequently highlights emotional responses, relationships, and themes or completion or release, because it's the opposition. So it's that only the opposition only occurred because of the solar eclipse associated with it. When the moon was back here making the conjunction, even if there wasn't a solar eclipse at that time, that's the start point, not the lunar. Right. So yeah. And then if we just have a quick look at the uh moon's node, so there's a north node and a south node, and the idea is that north node eclipses suggest qualities that encourage growth and future development. Uh north node eclipses tend to symbolize the tide coming in and that brings goodies for you up onto the beach. And the theme is to gather in for the future. So it's like that movie with Tom Hanks when he was castaway and suddenly thinking about castaway a lot today for some reason. And what he got, a trunk and he opened the trunk. There was this trunk on the beach in the morning that the tide had brought in. Yeah. That's North Node.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Yeah, the FedEx packages, and then he opens them up and it's just all these different random things and just a load of junk. And a soccer ball named Wilson. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

The point being that when you get things, you get things at the north node that land on your beach, as it were. Yeah, yeah. So you open your treasure chest and who knows what's in there. Exactly. So that's north node energy. Yeah. Whereas South Node eclipses indicate established patterns, familiar talents or experiences which are ready to be released or refined. South node eclipses tend to remove things from your life as the outgoing tide clears the beach and take things out with it. The theme is release, out and the past. Interesting. So this is where we let go of basically our baggage. Yeah. The junk, the relationships.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

What's this the minimalism we are releasing?

SPEAKER_01 24:37

The focus is is on letting go of things so that you can be more true to yourself and you can move forward with purpose.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

That because sometimes the past holds you back because preconceived ideas, what you were taught as a kid.

SPEAKER_01 24:49

Yeah. It doesn't have to be things, the possessions, or it can just things you learn that you need to unlearn.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

Exactly. Right. So that's South Node, and this is what your one is. Yeah. That's what we're saying. Interesting. Interesting. Me too. But you've got it there on Saturn, and we have to then we take it one step further and say what does Saturn represent, blah, blah, blah, and go down that road. So anyway, so that's kind of interesting too. So eclipses happen where the moon is. The sun will be near a node, and the moon will be near a node when an eclipse happens. But you want to pay attention where the moon is because that's where the eclipse occurs. Right. Yeah. Cool. So casting the prenatal eclipse chart. Yeah. So you use your place of birth, that's what we're going for. And you cast the chart. So we know that yours was on the June the 30th, your year of birth, and you can cast the actual eclipse chart. I haven't done that. I did it for Keanu Reeves. But you would cast that chart and you can interpret this chart and say, what does this eclipse say? What was the message of that eclipse when I was in my mother's uterus?

SPEAKER_01 25:53

Yeah, that is the word.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Yes, it's so you could definitely treat your prenatal eclipse chart as a chart in its own right. And later you can compare the prenatal eclipse chart with your natal chart, looking for repeated themes, planetary contacts, and significant placements. That's where you can do the the bywheel thing. Yes, you could do that as well. But you could certainly cast the prenatal eclipse chart and interpret the eclipse, because that would have been the effect of that eclipse anyway. Right. And when you look at prenatal eclipses, you build another interpretive tool which can complement your chart readings throughout your astrological studies. So there's no downside to doing this. Yeah. So why wouldn't you? Once you've got a grip on the main things in astrology, go down this road. Totally, totally. So the idea is that once you've um got the chart and you know what it meant, what what the what the main themes was in that chart, you can also um begin interpreting the eclipse itself, its relationship to your natal chart, and the Saros series from which it originated. So Saros series are um all eclipses are in families, they come in Saros families and they are numbered. Yours is numbered um 11, and the idea is that as the shadow of the moon um passes over the face of the earth every 18 years, there's a new same eclipse in the same Saros family. Okay, cool. So this repeats, so as it's as it you start at the south and it moves its way across the face of the earth, and this is one for another day, and then you have north, which is coming down. Um so you definitely want to go back to, if you're a serious astrology, you go back and cast the Saros birth chart for the eclipse that you have to see what the meaning of that chart was, because that is the what do you got the original the original information comes from there. What do you call it when you're doing research and you have to go back to the original original source?

SPEAKER_01 27:43

The original source, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:44

The original source. Yeah, yes, and um this is where I recommend Bernadette Brady's book um forecast, what's it called? Um anyway, I'll get it in a moment. Yeah. I'll I've actually listed here. Yes, it's called Predictive Astrology, The Eagle and the Yark by Bernadette Brady. She's got all the Saroses in there and a basic interpretation of the Saros original chart, and listing all the eclipses for astrologers. Wow. So I absolutely recommend that book as as well. Yeah, then you could just glance at it and see what Yes, well, she's you can say, Here's my eclipse, because you've got you've got that particular one. Yeah. Go and find that Saros, and then you can say, okay, that was the original Saros. My eclipse, my prenatal eclipse was one of that family, and it's in my chart here. Right. So you see there's multiple steps to actually finding an interpretation.

SPEAKER_01 28:37

It could be the actual time, too, obviously. Not just the date of the eclipse, right? Yeah, but she's got that.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

Yeah, all good, good. Yeah, and NASA has two, right? Or wherever you get yours from. You see, there are other points in your chart that we're quite happy to use. We use the ascendant, we use the mid-heaven, it's just a point. And um, the vertex part of Fortune and the lunar nodes. So as a planet transits your prenatal eclipse point, and for you, Arwen, it is at nine cancer. Yeah. Every time there's a transit across nine cancer, it's going to trigger your prenatal eclipse. Interesting. Now, this is not earth-shattering stuff, it's subtle things coming from the nature of that actual chart. Yeah. So the the way to understand um prenatal eclipses is to track the transits to your chart. So every month the moon will go around, once a year the sun will cross it, Venus and Mercury will go past it, Mars will transit it every two years, and then the others may or may not transit it. Jupiter and Saturn will, but the others may not necessarily do that. Yeah. I'm guessing that England just scored. Well, or Mexico, we never know. We're watching the game. Well, we're not watching it, but the city's watching it. The city is will not be quiet. Wow. Okay, so we've just opened the ephemeris, and Arwen is now falling along with what we all just said, and she's finding her her eclipse here.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Yeah, and and funnily enough, uh, I don't know how funny it is actually, but I uh I was looking at astro.com and they're nine, it's actually a 9,000-year uh ephemeris, and they they do not list the eclipses. So uh I take back what I said. Uh you you cannot find it that way. But if you do have an actual ephemeris, like the the massive you know, American ephemeris tome that Allison has, then you can actually look it up. And I have just run my prenatal eclipse time, which we determined since I was born in August of 1973. The period prenatal eclipse was June 1973, June 30th, and we looked up at the time. The time is 9 or sorry, 1137 a.m. And we're gonna cast that for the time or the place where I was born, which is Vancouver, BC. And yeah, so I've got that chart up. Um sun in cancer, moon in cancer, Mercury in Leo, Venus in Leo, Mars in Aries. Holy crap, I was fiery before my uh birth. I must have been just kicking up a storm in the womb, in the uterus.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Another heartburn.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Well, I certainly didn't like the Neil Young concert. You know, I was just like, get me out of here. That's funny, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

So we that's quite simple though. You go into the ephemeris, you go back, you find the eclipse listing, there it is, large as life. If you're still fumbling around, you can go to NASA or speak to your astrologer, they'll be able to cast it for you. Yes. And then once you've got the eclipse chart, you can interpret the eclipse chart. What are the aspects to this eclipse point? Right. Other conjunctions, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

You're looking at the actual placement of the moon, and and for me, that's 12 degrees cancer in my eclipse chart. And then you can also, if you want, run uh a biwheel and do a child as well, yeah. Do a sinistry against your own birth chart and say, hmm, what are the connections?

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Exactly, exactly, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 31:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:46

Well, because this is a complicated thing, and it it occurred to me when I was researching this for this article, I thought it would be handy to have a prenatal eclipse tracker. Yeah. So I went and designed one. And um of course you did.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Of course you did.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

You if you click through to the blog post, you can download my prenatal eclipse tracker, and it actually um gives you several pages where you can write down what date these planets are going to transit your prenatal eclipse. Wow. Cool. You're gonna have to find them yourself. I'm not telling you when it's happening, obviously, but it's a page to help you sort out what you're looking for so that you can actually say, well, I uh it's going to be uh in June or whenever the June, the so-and-so. For the sun, it'll be the same day every single year. Yeah. And then the moon will come around each month, and you can list ahead of time these dates so that you can then monitor um energies being pressured onto your prenatal eclipse point and say, I'm seeing a theme here, I'm seeing a pattern here.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

Also, if you know someone who has their sun at the degree, the exact degree of your prenatal moon, like so, for example, for me, anyone whose sun is at 12 degrees cancer would be someone who might trigger some sort of nostalgic feeling, some sort of karmic feeling, some feeling like I've known you before, why are you in my life? This is meaningful, etc. etc.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. Because it's very, it's very core or integral to sun-moon energy. This it's really not got not much, doesn't really have much to do with any other types of energy. Yeah. Because as you know, astrologically, we say that the sun is the first thing if you're if someone's pregnant, you hear the heartbeat, that's the sun. Yeah. Then when they're born, they're saying, feed me, feed me, and and that's the moon. And finally they start talking. I think we've spoken about it.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

And when they take their first breath, that's when the ascendant is, because that's the that's the moment that they interact with the world. Yes. And that's the moment that they're first seen as alive. Yes. They're not considered alive. I mean, once they're actually born, it's not until they take their first breath that they're considered alive. That's the birth moment. Yeah. You can be you can be removed from the womb, but if you don't actually take a first breath, that's not going on the record. It's not going on on the birth chart. On the birth chart. Or the birth uh, what's the word? Record. Yeah, whatever.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Yeah, whatever they decide to write down. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Birth certificate. There you go. Birth certificate one.

SPEAKER_00 34:13

Yes. Well, if they do that, I know when when my kids were born, I had my husband there and he had three watches on his arm. And his only job in that labor war was to get the time to see there was nothing else he could do. Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Thank goodness my mother and grandmother were both astrologers, and they know the minute I was worn. Yeah. Exactly. It's very, very correct.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yeah. And we encourage people to do this. We do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So if you're at all intrigued or interested in look in looking further into prenatal eclipses, you can go to the blog post, you can download my tracker, it's a PDF, and you just put your email address in and it gets sent to you. And then you can print this thing out and use it for the rest of your life to track your prenatal eclipses. I'm not doing the interpretations, it's for you to say I need to pay attention to this day, this day, and this day, and this day. And you may find that, say, some of the outer planets, like say, for instance, if we look at Arwen's chart, her Pluto is in no position to ever conjoin her prenatal eclipse. Oh, thank goodness. Um Neptune also is unlikely to conjoin her prenatal eclipse. Uranus, maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

But Saturn would have done it virtually Immediately. Virtually immediately after birth. So that would have come and passed. But Saturn comes around every 30 years, so you do get a second chance on that. Yeah. But then when we get to things like Jupiter and Jupiter will be once in 12 years, and you need to find what date is this. Yeah. So that you can say, I've got my Jupiter conjunct prenatal eclipse coming up on the 15th of March next year. Someone make me a cupcake.

unknown 35:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:42

And ice it. And I need a t-shirt. I survived Jupiter conjunct my prenatal eclipse. Just in glyphs. If you know, you know. You know? But the moon's every month, the sun's once a year, and Mercury and Venus is every year. Yeah. So the idea is that if you've got this tracker, you can um you just write the dates down, find the dates. And if you're kind of a beginner astrology, it will stretch you. And if you know what you're doing astrologically, you'll know about it already, and you won't need my tracker. Yeah. She said confidently. So yeah, so anyway, that's I hand I made it. I think it's like a 12 or 13 page uh thingy I just made because I once I start, there's no end to it. What was going to happen next. Amazing. Yeah. So I do have a couple of extend yourself um ideas about how to get going and even where do you go from here?

SPEAKER_01 36:33

I love it.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Just for my prenatal eclipses. So I'm saying in your astrology journal and referencing your natal chart and an ephemeris, do the following. Find your prenatal eclipse. That just says it so simply. Decide which house in your natal chart your prenatal eclipse is found. List any conjunctions or oppositions to your prenatal eclipse point. Determine if it was a solar or lunar eclipse, note the moon's node, north or south, where the eclipse took place, and then cast the prenatal eclipse chart for your place of birth. Now, if you can do that, you are really ahead of the game. And then I've got to extens yourself further sections, which is to really to do with the interpretation. So what I'm saying here is in your astrology journal and referencing your natal chart, your prenatal eclipse chart, and ephemeris, do the following. Interpret any conjunctions to planets to your in your prenatal eclipse chart. 50 words. Do you have any conjunctions in your prenatal eclipse chart? We're just having a quick squiz there.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

Yes. Uh-huh. Sun and moon are conjunct in Cancer.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Obviously.

SPEAKER_00 37:42

Yeah. So for the solar eclipse. Because it's an eclipse, yeah. You take that as a as a given. Um and Mercury and Venus. Mercury and Venus are conjunct. Well, that's what you're through and out of sign conjunction.

SPEAKER_01 37:51

Okay. Cancer and uh and Leo.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

And what about an opposition?

SPEAKER_01 37:54

Do you have both in Leo?

SPEAKER_00 37:56

Do you have any oppositions to your uh prenatal eclipse point? No. No. Okay. So this is what I'm saying. Um interpret that 50 words for an interpretation. Yeah. Interpret your prenatal eclipse chart itself. Get cast the chart, print it out, and say, what is this chart? What's the ascendant? Where's the placement? What house is it in? What's aspecting this prenatal eclipse? This is an eclipse chart that astrologers at that time would have been looking at. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:20

Oh well, actually, the north node, of course, is actually can uh opposite because Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Right. So you've interpreted the the natal, you've interpreted the prenatal eclipse chart itself, then you're going to find the Saros series for the prenatal eclipse. So you Sarus is we only want the solar eclipse, so you need to get Brady's book. Go back and find the Saros series and cast that chart, which may go back eight years because the Saruses live forever. Well, not forever, but a hell of a long time. And then, once you've got your Saros series prenatal eclipse chart, this is relevant to you. It's not just like a regular old eclipse happening next month. Then interpret the Saro series birth chart of your prenatal eclipse. Go back to the source. Is it a lot of work? It sounds like it.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

Sounds like it, yeah. It does. There are some people who are just taking notes and being like, yes, this is amazing. I'm on it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

And I'm downloading my tracker as we speak because that's the first step, really. It's quite simple. You've got to find the eclipse, put it in your chart, cast the eclipse chart, list all the transits to your prenatal eclipse point that are coming up because there might be one tomorrow or next week, and you need to be paying attention so that you can do some research here and then go back and find the original Sarah's chart, cast that and interpret it. Yeah. Yes, because this the prenatal eclipse that is in your birth chart that that was affected you is personal to you. Yeah. Whereas an eclipse we're going to have in December, which may be Sarah's fifth, you know, 17, blah, blah, blah, is passing by, it's for everybody. Yeah. But this is relevant to you. Yeah. That's why we like to look at it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And even if you've got a planet stationing on it, doing a three hits to it, you want to be making some notes about it, paying attention to it. That's a great point. And if if you are in any way a lunar-styled astrologer, go down this road. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

I'm just realizing now because it is conjunct my because my prenatal eclipse moon is conjunct my Saturn was conjunct my Saturn. That means that my Saturn return was also hitting my prenatal eclipse moon. Correct.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

All your Saturn returns will.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yikes. Adding to the flavor.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Adding to the flavor and the intensity, which I mean, we've talked about my Saturn return before. And if you're curious and you haven't heard that episode, please go listen to our Saturn return episode because my Saturn return hit me on the day in a very, very emotional way. I had my first and only anxiety attack literally on the day. Wow. Yeah. And I came home and I looked at my chart and I was like, oh, well, great. That makes sense. That's why I was crying in the streets, like uncontrollably. Cool. Um, yeah. So that is something that's another reason to look because not everyone has that on their Saturn return, but if there's this double whammy thing and you might not even know if you didn't know about your prenatal eclipse, you might just think, well, geez, Saturn affected me stronger than most people. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

And that would be why. And you know, it's it's the moon's coming by every single month. The moon is very significant with prenatal eclipses, obviously. You want to be saying, well, you know, this month it's on the 12th and then the 13th and next month it's the 14th or whatever it is. And start paying attention to these transits. Don't just think, oh yeah, well, you know, it's it's full moon, new moon. Pay attention to what's coming around your chart and understand the subtleties of these points within your chart that um these planets are transiting to. Yeah. Now, to be quite clear, any point in your chart would benefit from a tracker. Because the same principles apply. For sure. But we are just talking about prenatal eclipses at the moment. Yeah. So technically you could download the tracker and use it for, I don't know, when does the planet cross my mid-heaven? You could do the exact same thing. Totally. But um the point is that we're talking prenatal eclipses. It's not something you would naturally learn about, it's not in all the books. Um, but as an astrologer, I urge you to educate yourself, know a bit more, and um make a richer understanding of the topic. Okay, so we have been talking about prenatal eclipses in this episode. This is the eclipse that occurs whilst you were still, whilst your mother was still pregnant with you and you were still in the womb. It's the eclipse that happened before your birth. We've gone through a few ways about how to find a bit, how to find it, what to do when you have found it. And we've also got, well, I've got this prenatal eclipse tracker that you can download. Yes. PDF download and track your prenatal eclipses as well. Great. Great idea. Do that. So if you have found value in this episode, please do consider sharing it with anybody who'd be interested. Make sure that you're getting our newsletter and you can sign up at starzoology.com forwardstroke newsletter.

SPEAKER_01 43:12

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SPEAKER_00 43:23

So thank you so much for everyone who's got this far, and we'll see you next time. See you next time.