EP #79 - Photographer - Lachlan Kirkwood

I had an awesome yarn with Lachlan Kirkwood, one of Auckland's most diverse photographers, who joined me for a chat. Lachlan has photographed probably the majority of the bands and some of the fighters on the podcast. We talked about how he got into photography, videography, live events, the difference between a photographer and someone with a phone camera, his love of Superman and horror movies, and much more.  

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

And I'm here with Loughlin Kirk with the photographer. Who where is he? The multi-talented photographer. Right in front of my face. What is he right here? I don't know. What a way to open, bro. We good. You do a bit of everything, bro. Yeah. Easy g you you get around. You get around the block, you know?

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Yeah, I've been around the block. Even just this week, I've done like um. I don't know if I should talk about like my future plans, but like a lot of them have to do with like a lot of photo shoots and a lot of um videography as well. Videography I'm trying to do. I'm trying to I did some pre-production for a music video with one of my mates recently. So uh we're planning on filming that sometime next week.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

Very cool. I was having a more of a dig. So uh for everyone who doesn't know, I met Lochlin at in the local music scene, taking photos at gigs. Uh he's pretty much I'm taking photos for every band that's been on here at this point, I'm pretty sure. Most most of them. Done the burn dogs.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

I think I've done sprawl.

SPEAKER_00 1:08

No, you've done Stag's Yarrow. You've done have you done uh Jay's Band. Exit sign. Exit sign, you've done them? Cut that out.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Yeah, I've done the Exit Sign like three, four times. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Something like that. Yeah. Uh you've done I think you've done our pink plates, you've done them.

SPEAKER_01 1:26

You've done yeah, you've done uh one of my pink plates ones ended up in um what's it called? It ended up it uh the big thing in Spark Arena.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Oh, it was on a f it was on like a photo board, right? Yeah. Oh wicked. That was awesome. That's cool. You've also done fighting events, done Art of War. Sorry? You've done Art of War, was that the event for uh like combat sport? No, um uh it's called Youngbloods. Oh Youngblood. Youngbloods or Youngblood. Yeah. So you done that, you've done he done a boxing event as well. Sorry? Was that Youngblood, the boxing event? Oh yeah, so you did that. And then you've also done like photography for like models, and then you've done music videos as well. Yeah. So the video the videography part. Very cool. A lot of artistic stuff as well. Yeah. So you've kind of dipped your toes into all different variations of like studio production, sorry, studio photography, and then live photography.

SPEAKER_01 2:20

Uh I wouldn't call it studio photography. I've never really worked in oh, you haven't actually done a proper studio shoot photography? Um most shoots that I've done have always been very um mostly outside stuff. Mostly like, oh yeah, we pick a place, we go shoot there, blah blah blah. I've rarely ever gone like oh like let's have a studio set up and like do that kind of stuff. I I I'm kind of setting something up. I want to do this is something else that I want to do. Um I want to do more headshot kind of uh portraits, portrait kind of photos, just stuff like for actors who want to have like some kind of photo on their resume, just something cheap that I can just pump a whole bunch out. Yeah, that could be fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Yeah, no, it's good to have a lot of like variation in the portfolio. So a lot of live events. Yeah, it's very ex very extensive. A lot of live events. Yeah, a lot of it has to do with like live events. I think is that where like you reckon your true passion is for photography? Um it's the easiest, I'd say. Ah, just because the up there's just so many opportunities. There's so many opportunities. There's so many events there's all the time.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, there's so many, there's so many events on all the time. You can usually get one at least something at least once a week. Um and it gets me out of the house. It's just yeah. I like to I don't like to stay inside. It's so I like to just go see what's up, and then that's how I like I've I've ended up in so many fucking places. Yeah. Am I allowed to swear on this?

SPEAKER_00 4:03

No.

SPEAKER_01 4:03

No, of course you are. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Swear away. Damn.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Unless your mother's watching, then Oh my god, my mum is probably watching. My Nana says she might watch this. Nana's gonna watch as well. Yeah. Hi Nana, hi mum, hi dad, hi grandad. You're not watching this, grandad.

SPEAKER_00 4:22

Are they are they Chromecasting or what are they doing? Are they uh watch smart TV? I have no idea. Listening on the radio? I'll put this on tape for you if you want.

SPEAKER_02 4:32

Uh yeah, you can.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

They got a tape machine running in the back with the podcast. Only Scott on tape. People would love that. I don't think they would. Uh but yeah, no sick man. So when did like what was the first entry point into f into like event photography? Was it gigs? Or was it like in school?

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Um, I never really got into photography until like COVID. COVID was definitely like the point where it all started for me just because like you're locked inside, you can't really do anything, so I would go on really, really long walks where like because nobody was around and like I just kind of got interested in like taking photos of like how empty everything was. I don't think I have these photos anymore. Like, they're probably somewhere deep in my Instagram, but like yeah, it it started from there and like it just kind of kept going as I was in film school. Um I didn't do too much photography in film school, but like it got me like thinking lovely. I heard that in the microphone, goddamn.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Oh man, I'm keeping that in. Damn. Where was I?

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I got so sidetracked with it.

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Walking out, you did went walks during COVID, you're in film school, you got thinking about photography in film school.

SPEAKER_01 5:55

Yeah. I I think because like I was so into like film and stuff like that, I thought of things very visually and just kind of like and when I put like when I started using the camera, it like it all kind of made sense in a way. Right. Where like like idea I have ideas for shots, like for a movie or something like that. Or just like a hypothetical movie, and then like like I wouldn't have anywhere to like translate that until I got out of film school and I started taking photos, and then it just all kind of kept escalating, escalating. It was just something I like doing more and more and more and more.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

So you kind of like were in film school to study like film and video, and then after that you then stepped away from that to do photography.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

Basically.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

Did you find something more in photography? Like was this was there something uh within like a still shot, was something within a still shot that can be. I think it yeah, yeah. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

More still about it. Like because like I never fell out of love of like doing video stuff, but it became very I got in my head about it.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

Like I gotta I gotta do this, I gotta do that, and then like I'm worried about how this will look like as if it's moving. So if I just take a photo, still yeah, and then like I can make I can make it all look perfect, yeah, it can look perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

Spend time in the photo shop or whatever you need to do afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 7:27

Yeah, and me and my mate me and my mates kept up the whole video side of it. Um we just we ended up working with uh Back to the Hillside, like because my mate Callum was childhood mates with Nia. And that kind of got us like talking to them about like, hey, maybe we could do a music video. And I pitched like this whole fucking this whole music video based on one of their songs and yeah, we ended up making it. What was the band? Sorry? What was the band? Back to the Hillside?

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Back to the Hillside, sorry, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Yeah, they were I saw them recently at um what was it called? This was the last gig that I did. Big fan. Yeah. Yeah. I saw them at Big Fan recently. I I could see Neo like on stage. He looked at me and he was like, oh hey. Like Neo, like sh sh. Yeah, sh sh. Yeah. It's being a bit of a. I feel like I'm constantly looking at the camera. Like I should be looking at you. Yeah. But there's like a l red light that's caught me going.

SPEAKER_00 8:37

Who's behind that camera? Your friends, your family, your future wife. Oh my god. Oh my word. Uh Celebrities. Oh my god. Potential opportunities. No. Kendall Jenner, is she there? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

No. Everyone's behind the camera.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Everyone's watching. Yeah. My podcasts are so popular that like even the biggest celebrities in the United States are also watching and tuning in. The president? Donald Trump. Donald Trump. He's watching. If you're watching this, shout out shout out. Shout out DT bro. Shout out to Donald Trump. Is the Epstein list gonna be released? We don't release it! Have some confidence. He's gonna see this and he's gonna go, you know what? I actually need to do this. You know what he's gonna do? He's gonna raise the tariffs, bro. We're gonna have even more tariffs. God damn it. All because of me. It's all because of the OnlySpot podcast with Lachlan Kirkwood. And they're gonna raise it by the way. It's gonna be our fault, and you know ever gonna forget. We're gonna have more tariffs after this, bro.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Exactly. Oh my fucking god. What have we done? What have we built?

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Wow. Yeah. I mean, that wasn't my intention for this episode, but hey, if that's where we're going. That's exciting. Exactly. The world's already amiss. Why not just make it worse?

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Yeah, it's everything's fucking shit. So let's make everything fucking worse.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

So just just race towards the end of the world, you know? Speaking of like weird shit that I've that I just saw on the internet recently. Oh no. And I don't give a fuck about saying this, is that um I watched a video of this of this girl on this is sounds really random, but just just just bear just bear with me. This girl like bought a packet of is it was it she bought a like a um a bag of potatoes from Pack and Save. And one of the potatoes in the in the bag was a rock. What? It was this big rock. What? I know. I was like, what the fuck is that? And then so she pulled it out, and then there's always outrage online, obviously, and apparently Peck and Save like paid her back or you know, like the pans like chimmed in. I was like, fuck me. Like you don't care, like like they're potatoes, bro. Like, why why are you getting all stingy on potatoes putting a rock in there? An actual rock, like a fish. I'll find the clip, I'll show you. Yeah. That's crazy. I was like, what the fuck? That is the weirdest shit. What is the world even coming to? It's gonna put like like if like fake, like I don't know, like if like a bag of carrots and just start putting in like just orange chips. How could you not tell like that that a bag of potato chips has like heavier than is it like one rock in just one rock was like one rock that was like almost like a potato size like uh potato size but potato shape and obviously the size, but it's just crazy. How do you fuck that up? I don't know. Apparently you can. That is weird. But that is what our world has come into, bro.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

I feel like you know this is gonna turn into like some Alex Jones shit. Oh, that's what we need.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

They're putting rocks in our potato chips. That's the frog, well, and the potatoes, not just potato chips, but yeah, and the frogs are gay. That ended up being true. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 11:42

Yeah, well, that was like a in a roundabout kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Yeah, but that that's weird. That guy is hilarious, though. He's so funny. It's just one of those funny. Nah, it's not as like sued. I know. It's not as fun anymore, which is you know, that was like the whole thing. But anyway, we went off topic there, but that was good. Oh, it's a good off topic then. Well, we'll come back to the photography. So, during COVID, yeah, after film school, getting into photography, taking still shots. So, what was like what was the first event you did? And this episode is sponsored by me. Do you struggle with sleeping and particularly struggle with light and sound while sleeping? I think it's time you get the sleep that you deserve. My business Infinity Sleep specializes in sleep well-being products to enhance your sleep quality. I've been using sleep masks and airplugs for the past three years to help improve my sleep, and I'm so stoked to finally have ones that have been created for my own sleeping needs. If you would like to learn more about my business Infinity Sleep, please visit our website www.infinitysleep.co.nz. By making a purchase, you are directly not only supporting a local Kiwi business, but also this podcast. Use the promo code only scott15% and receive 15% off your first order. Go to www.infinitysleep.co dot nz to get the sleep that you deserve.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

Okay. Um this is actually kind of an interesting story because it it ties back in it it all kind of ties back in. So um the way that we we met, like back to the hillside, was Callum, my mate, Kellum, shout out Callum. He's he lives in Aussie now. I don't see him a whole lot. Miss you, bud. Um well we we we went through a Back to the Hillside gig and because Neo asked Neo needed some I don't know if it was Neo specifically who asked, but they needed like some video stuff. And my teammates, um we both um all three of us, we went and we uh they were filming and I was taking like photos because like uh I by then was the photo guy. And like this is this is like for kind of fucking crazy, but um I I'm I've got like the I've got the photos. Apparently the people there was like a bunch of bands playing, and like I didn't know at the time how to like find like how to find I who was what band. I just knew I'm here to shoot back to the hillside. And later on I found out um I think it was called Synth Vader was playing.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

I feel like you know where this is going. I do know where this is going. Yeah, and Scotty was in there, Brandon was in there, Rory was in there. Shout out Scotty, Brandon, Roran. Did I say Roran? Rory Ro Brandon. I don't know where my brain isn't working right now.

SPEAKER_00 14:54

That's alright, bro. So you so so you took fo they were at the gig. Yeah, well no, they were they were playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But they were playing at the end of the band was on and you took photos of the band.

SPEAKER_01 15:05

Yeah, and I have photos of like Scotty when he had like way shorter hair, and like I didn't recognise him because like I I recognize Rory because he looks relatively the same, but like I looked at the photos and like it's like this fucking detective fucking discovering the fucking suspect was was here all along. It's like, oh look, that Scotty's just been there.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

You know, it's just Scotty's been a part of your journey from the boondarks since the very beginning.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

Yeah, it was kind of it was crazy.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Crazy it's kinda like for the podcast as well. That's funny, man.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah, it was it was pretty fun. It was pretty funny to be honest.

SPEAKER_00 15:45

Man, yeah. Far out. Scott Parker, eh? He's just he's just yeah, he's intertwined in our lives. He's a fucking great dude. But it's just funny.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Yeah. I don't know Brandon as much, but he yeah, every time I've talked to him. No, he's great. They're very supportive boys of like, yeah, just like Scotty Scotty definitely has been like one of the more supportive of like everything that I've done. So same.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

He's very supportive in the scene and supportive of what people are trying to like pursue, which is great. I think just having like more yeah, I mean, it is interesting. Like you'd think well, there are people are I feel like more encouraging in the scene than even I remember when I was in the band. But I just feel as though like it would be nice if it also was more people like that, you know. Like every we're all kind of trying to Scotties and stuff. We're all trying to achieve something, you know, we're trying to go after it and make it happen. So cool. So then you did so you took photos of that gig. So mute so music, uh filming a live music show was your was the first one.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yeah, that was that was like um that 2021? It was like uh 2022. 2022. And then a year later, um I met um Swizzle Yeager, shout out Swizzle Yeager. I'm just gonna do that every time I mention somebody's name. Sure. Shout out Swizzle Jaeger, hi. Um, who I met off of my friend Mariah. Shout out Mariah, hi. Hi. I told I told you I'd shout out certain people before this. That's fine. She was one of them. Um, but yeah, I'd done a photo shoot with Swizzle. I just realized I was off the mic.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

It's alright. Keep going, bro.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I was uh I was shooting with Swizzle and like he invited me to one of his gigs at Dingle, and like and like I was just like, hey, can I just bring the camera? And he was like, Yeah, sure. Whatever, I don't care. And so I brought the camera and I just started shooting people around the night, and like I think the people who ran ding dong at the time, uh Lauren, shout out Lauren. Uh that's such a stupid joke. That's fine. I'm just gonna keep doing it. It's all fine. Yeah. Um, but like Lauren saw my photos that I had taken of the night, and she got in contact with me, and she basically arranged it so that I was taking photos there every night for for a couple like months. Um, not every night, every week. Yeah, there every week. Yeah, every week for a couple months, and yeah, I had I had a good time there.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

Developing your skills.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Yeah, it was basically like a really good like place to learn everything. Like Yeah. Like I could just figure out everything.

SPEAKER_00 18:35

Gig photography school. Yeah. Essentially.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Yeah, basically.

SPEAKER_00 18:40

That's great because uh, you know, I mean, I don't know much about photography. It all took me about a two years to figure out my fucking cameras, so don't talk to me about video and cameras. But I'd imagine like trying to figure out for a gig, like trying to figure out like ever lighting and like people wear different things and colour blending. I mean, like, that would have you would have learned a lot. Because when you're at a live show, there's so many different colours and so much shit going on. Yeah. Yeah. And then the movement of everyone, and then how that looks in a shot later. Like a lot of those details.

SPEAKER_01 19:05

I just I think I loved like um gig for photography specifically because there was so much lighting changes and like there's so much happening. There's so much happening that you can basically go wild in the edit. Like, um, I feel like um what I love about photography is part of it is half of it is editing and just sitting there and just slowly making your way through a bunch of all of these and just uh you y you end up with so many fucking photos that you don't use, but like you just yeah, you just put in like some thought into it and like yeah, editing to me is very is the most precious part of like the whole process because it's like the most like it's the part that you spend the most time on eventually, because like when you're like taking photos, you just basically go done.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Relatively and like especially with yeah, especially with the gig stuff, it's like got it.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Now I can just you don't just go home, but how many shots would you take of one band in one night? One band in one night. Um just one band. One band. Just one band.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

Um sometimes it depends. Um average. On average, I'd say 300 to 500. Buck of one band. I know that's that's heaps. That's not the best. Um it depends on it definitely.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

I'm not saying it's not the best, just a lot. That's a lot to work through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a heaps to go through.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

But that's like me getting like the small micro little things, and then like I work through that and I pick the one in between that's like slightly better than everything else.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Wow. Yeah. That's a big that's a big effort. Yeah, I know. Yeah, fire out, active. Yeah, so you do it. So 300 to 500 photos per per band. So then by the end of the night, you're gonna end up with if there's four bands, you've got two thousand photos. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

I've I've definitely worked on like cutting that down, especially lately. Um the way that I've done that is just by using the flash a lot more. It's not something I love to use, but it it has like very obvious results when you use a flash, and like you know, it just looks cool sometimes. Sometimes it's very obvious, and like it doesn't work if you unless there's like a crowd. Like when you have a crowd and you use a flash, that you can get more details of like how everyone's looking, how everyone's like going, oh yeah, maybe it's so much dancing, moshing. Yeah. When you have an active crowd and you've got a flash, and then it's like yeah, kills the moment.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Yeah. Sorry? Sorry, does it? I was like, does it kill the moment sometimes? Have you ever had that? People take the flash? People are like, what the fuck are you doing? No. Everyone's back's been pretty good. I've always assumed that like that would happen. But no one's ever done that. Nobody's ever like told me off. Oh, that's cool. I'm not sorry telling you off, but people just stopped what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

No. I've never not that I've noticed. Maybe it has, but I just I don't know. I'm too socially inept to realize.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Fair. No, that's that's yeah. That's a lot of work. That's a lot of work. So so okay. After a game, how much time would you spend editing? Um I usually like to take up to three days. So how many hours are we talking? Like 15 hours of work, 20 hours of work?

SPEAKER_01 22:39

I don't know. I'm very on off with it, so like sometimes I'll just be like uh go through it like for a couple hours and then like I'll go fucking watch a movie or I wanna I keep it to a point where I can still kind of have a bit of a social life. Sure. Because I don't want to like you know just be working so hard that like I completely abandon all of my friends and I'm not doing anything except photos.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

Have you spent that much time on it though? Do you feel that uh like you can like overcook a photo with editing?

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can definitely have you done that? Yeah, especially like some of my older stuff. I kind of go, yeah, I can kind of get where you were coming from with a lot of this, but trying to polish it up too much, yeah, or you try to make it into something that it's not, and sometimes that works in a creative sense, but sometimes it's just like just too much.

SPEAKER_00 23:40

Did it did it capture the moment of where the event or whatever was happening?

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Yeah, sometimes you just need to like r just kind of like I like to edit like everything that everything I've posted has been slightly edited in some way. Uh whether or not that's just slightly or like a lot, it just depends. I think you can usually tell when I've like edited something a lot more majorly than other ones.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

So would you say like out of all the events, the spectrum events you do, would you say you edit the good ones the most, like the music, or is it the fighting events or the fighting ones the fighting ones take up the most amount of time.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

That would have been. The fighting ones I can't do in three days.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yeah, that's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Because because like the last one that I did, I I cooked out my fucking camera. Like I didn't cook it out, but like it took up it took up everything. It took up everything. Because like I was just getting all of those small little moments in in like fucking 12 to 15 fights.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

It's just it it just oh my god, that's an intense event even for a photographer. Not even fighting. Yeah. Yeah, you've got to be so on the ball, though.

SPEAKER_01 24:52

Yeah, yeah, it takes up so much time. Uh it's um like most uh most fighting gigs that I've done, I've done for my brother. Just because, yeah, I think we've talked about this before, but my brother is a fighter. Shout out, shout out Pearson. Um kickboxer. Yeah, he he does some kickboxing, he works he works at strike force. Fight as strike force, yeah. And like um yeah, you know some of the people that he's run into. Like, yeah, Daniel, shout out Daniel, yeah. Shout out, shout out Daniel, bro. Daniel Daniel. Yeah. Um yeah. What was I gonna say?

SPEAKER_00 25:37

I don't know. I kind of lost my train of thought. Right. So yeah, I guess so So you did the gig, you did uh mainly so the gigs for a while, and you've got your you got a page now dedicated purely to it because you still do a lot of music, but you want to have a variety of things. So when did you start going off gigs? Like not off, but you know, like you started diversifying. You were like, I want to try and do a different event.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

Well, I've I've kind of always tried to be mix it up.

SPEAKER_00 26:00

You've always tried to mix it up. Yeah, you've done stuff with Jackie Chen as well. Shout out Jackie, bro. Oh Jackie, hi Jackie.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Um, yeah, like that was like so random. Um that was for the Mortal Kombat. Yeah, he was um I got a contact from another photographer who was like, yo, do you want to like take photos for this for this um shoot that like was doing like a bunch of Mortal Kombat stuff? That's cool. And like, so like everyone was fucking dressed up in like all of these amateur like Mortal Kombat costumes, and I met like a lot of fucking really cool people from that. And Jackie was just Jackie was um Lu Kang. And he yeah, he was just the nicest fucking guy. He's awesome, though. He's so he was like he's the most busy out of all of them, but he took the most amount of time to talk to me. So it was just like very surprising and just religion, yeah. Just he's just uh overall.

SPEAKER_00 27:01

He broke his arm again recently, so he's alright. Yeah, because he's fighting in Thailand.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

It's been really hard to keep up with what he's doing because he's just constantly doing like something he's fighting in Thailand.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Well, he fought in Thailand, he won us a fight, but yeah. So I've been trying to like keep an eye on him, and I'm just like, oh bro. It's look after yourself. Fuck. But oh yeah, so you say you yeah, you d you've done shoots of that as well. Yeah, so would you ever wanna so and then you've also done back into videography. You recently filmed uh what was the artist's name? Mystery Triple. Mystery boy? Mystery boy. Yeah. And then you so you did like a hip-hop music video shoot.

SPEAKER_01 27:33

Yeah, that was something I I didn't like. Um it was something how do I put it? It was something that I kind of just got like suddenly, like, yo, do you want to do this? Because I don't know how I met him.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

You don't know how you met him? I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

I just came across your inbox. Yeah, somehow. Oh no, I know I met him at I met him at a gig, a big fan, like like last year for Halloween. And like, I think he just randomly contacted me the other week, was like, yo, I need some hands for some video stuff. And like I just came on and like like he took on everything that I said and like like I didn't I didn't come in and like totally take over or anything like that. I he he had something very basic that he wanted to do, and I just kind of went, Oh, what if I did this, what if I did that? And he took it in, he took it on some stuff, and he also said, No, that wouldn't work, and in a way that was very constructive to me, because like yeah, I could really tell that like he had a vision for what he was doing. He had a vision for the output of it. He had a vision for what how how the video was gonna come out and like what works for him, what doesn't work for him, but he was very willing to take on advice, take on like criticism, take on just like what uh yeah, what I wanted to do. And that was just very cool.

SPEAKER_00 29:08

Yeah, yeah. So was it was it different? Well not different, but was it uh how was it stepping back on to that? Is that your first music video?

SPEAKER_01 29:15

No, um no, I did the back to the hillside one.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

You're back to the hillside music video. Attention to what I'm saying. No, I'm not even listening. I'm just like, you talk about the gig. Yeah. Back to the hillside gig, but you also did the music video as well. Yeah, I oh, did I not bring it up? No, you did you you you sort of did. Oh. Sort of. We don't have to go back and track it. You didn't bring up shit, bro. I am listening. You're just feeding me wrong information, fake news, fuck this shit. Yeah. So, like, because how long was it then, the gap, between do last time you did a music video? It's like three years. Like two? Two years. So it's not too long.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Two or three maybe no, two.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Two years. Yeah, it would have been two. So it's not that long, okay. Yeah. So it's not like you're like, I have to relearn this or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

Yeah, it was it would have been like 2023, like early t early to mid-2023. Something like that.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Do you do you get like a different, I don't know, creative buzz from doing videography to photography? You get something out of it that's different.

SPEAKER_01 30:19

Yeah, it's it's different. Like you gotta think a little more about it. And like like I'm just very visual, I'm very like, I just want to fucking do things that look look cool. Like uh, I I like the Back to the Hillside video that I did. Um, but I probably won't do something like that for um well for a while until like I'm a lot more sure of myself because that one was very story driven. The song is very narrative-based. Narrative-based. I wasn't sure if like the microphone caught that. But it did. It did. Shut up.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Keep going, keep going.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

Um it was very narrative-based and very story-driven. So I wanted a story-driven video and it didn't and like with things that things that happened on set, like I don't know, I don't wanna I don't want to put that out that way. Um, but just it was a lot more difficult to um to film than if I just like filmed than when I did the mystery boy video where I was just filming a guy just rapping to the camera. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Rather than like a whole different sets, different scenes, yeah, different sequences. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

That one way more that's way more involved. It was way it was way more how long was the song? Five months? The which song? Uh the Back to the Hillside. Back to the Hillside, probably like three minutes. Oh something like that. But that's still like a day of shooting.

SPEAKER_01 32:00

Yeah. It it was like it was like three days of shooting.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

We three days of shooting for that.

SPEAKER_01 32:05

Yeah, because we did like um we did some really cool shots in my mate Liam's um cinema room. Shout out, Liam. Uh I saw saw you last night. Hi. Um and like what we did was just project like a whole bunch of imagery onto the band and all of that. And I think that's the stuff that I'm probably the most proud of in that video. Just those cutaway shots to like just the band playing and like the imagery cast onto them, all that. I think that looks fucking great. Yeah. And second day was just a bunch of night stuff. I don't think there's too much of it in the video. I just why I said that. I shouldn't be drinking. I shouldn't be drinking this hard stuff. Yeah. Jeez, Louise. Crazy, man. Um and then the third day was a lot more of the narrative stuff. Yeah. So like just three days and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Pretty simple stuff. Wow. Three days of free. Yeah, but I think that's something that people don't always uh well depends on the shoot, obviously, but I think for music videos, like I feel like the general public underestimate the amount of time it takes.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Oh yeah, we I did a lot of fucking work on that. We did like we did a whole bunch of pre-production stuff. Uh I drew out all the storyboards. Um, like we we we were like seeing how long things would last and like how like all this and all that. And like we did some test footage, all this fucking nonsense stuff, so that we could just get it all done on the day. Just simple, easy, done. Boom, done.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah, it's a lot. And then I guess you do the um what's the footage called where you where you're like you're not really videoing like the the story. It's like yeah, it's just cutaway shots. So what? I'm probably thinking like the the the technical term of like when you're filming on on a s on a music video or whatever and you just need like B-roll? B-roll! Yeah, b-roll. That's what I'm looking for. B-roll.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

Yeah, B-roll is always fun.

SPEAKER_00 34:26

Yeah, just whatever's there. Yeah. Yeah, just to create some atmosphere.

SPEAKER_01 34:30

I did just forget that we did another music video for like one of the um Neo's band before um Back to the Hillside called Blackjacket. I don't think they were into I don't think they're still around anymore, but we did like a we went in we went off I can't remember fucking where, but we did like two hours of driving, got to a pla got to a location, and just filmed like for a whole day there. And like that was a that was a whole lot that was a whole lot to do. It was I think I I think I had like less work I I did w less work on that one than I did with the Back to the Hillside one, just because that was one with that I felt very passionate about and like felt like I had so I had a vision for it.

SPEAKER_00 35:24

Yeah. Worked. Yeah. So you because doing all these different like live events in there, I kinda wanna talk keen talks about like especially like the music. Actually, not even just music, just events, like the the feeling of like the like like the crowd and just the general vibe. Because obviously you've done rap shows, you've done metal shows, you done rock shows, indie shows. Have you done any classical shows? Haven't done the APO yet?

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Oh um, I did one um sort of classical I can't remember his name. He's somewhat famous. He was probably famous in his own right, but he was it was in tuning fork I did that for um what was it called? The 13th floor.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

I did that for one of my mates, Azri. Shout out Azri. He's another photographer who was just like, yo, I want to do something this night. Um, do you want to do this for me? And I was just like, oh yeah, sure. And yeah, and I just shot shot for something a lot more low-key and a lot more just simple. And it was it was very interesting to like see how much simpler it was.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

To do a gig like that. Did yeah, to just do it. Everyone's very stagnant. Yeah, no one's moving around.

SPEAKER_01 36:44

Well, it was like it was like one where like everyone was sitting down and just like just sitting, yeah. Yeah, and just listening to music, and it was very it was very interesting, interesting. It was it was probably it was probably the most nervous that I've been shooting a gig because I'm wandering around, I'm walking around, everyone is sitting down, everyone is just yeah, you don't want to be too distracting to the experience. Yeah, I don't I don't want to distract. You're not the show like you but you want but you're there to do a job. Of course, of course, and like you you're there to do something, and like it just it just goes oh Yeah, those those are like you can like drop like a you could drop a pin and fucking everyone will hear it.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

Everyone will hear it, yeah, 100%. Yeah, I just did a little bit of work when I used to work at the ATS Center and I um oh no, the town hall and like APO and stuff would play there and I'd be like sometimes just doing backstage doing sound or whatever and I was just like far out like you can hear everything. Yeah, fuck it. It was like it was kind of like you gotta be careful when you move and and all that.

SPEAKER_01 37:45

Yeah, but it's just funny to like go in like a vibe like that, because like you do like a metal show and it's like crazy, it's martial and metal shows, um rock shows, like that kind of stuff are so much easier to shoot because everything's moving, you can just easily slide your way through. It's probably like the first couple shows where like I didn't totally know how to do it. I didn't know how to like slide through crowd, crowd, and all of that. Now it look now it feels like second nature. Just don't care.

SPEAKER_00 38:11

Yeah, I just don't care. Yeah, like get the shot.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Everyone's pushing each other around, so it's just like you just you don't want to be like rude and like shove someone out of the way, but like you can relatively just like slide are those your most enjoyable ones, or did you have like a preference?

SPEAKER_00 38:30

So would you say like event photography? Like you do like an event, like you like doing the gigs, or is it the sport, or do you want to do more sport? I would like to do more sport.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Um I'd like to do more like boxing kind of stuff, yeah. Uh it is just like a big fucking oh my god, like a lot of work to do.

SPEAKER_00 38:49

And but like it's a big pretty even the local scene now for like New Zealand boxing, kickboxing, uh Mai Thai, even well not quite jujitsu, yeah. I don't think it's more in the strikings world, but there's just a lot of events on the quality of the events have gotten like really good. Yeah. Yeah, like world class. Like the shooting of them and the filming and the fighters, and there's just like it's a it's a crazy production.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

Yeah, I'm I'm probably like less attuned to that than I am to like the gig stuff because like the gig stuff is so easy to like kind of I mean almost every band or artist wants a photographer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every every it's it's so easy to just jump into a gig and just shoot there.

SPEAKER_02 39:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:31

While like what is like the mo the most you're usually paying, if you're even paying to like go to a gig as a photographer, is like 20 bucks or something, 30 bucks, something like that. And but like if you want to go to like a fucking big um fight night or whatever, they're a lot more strict with that kind of stuff, and like you don't want to and and and it costs a lot more to like go to that kind of stuff, so like you kind of want to go as a photographer. This is the secret life hack. If you want to go to free gigs and like free events, just become a photographer.

SPEAKER_00 40:13

Yeah, literally. It's kind of a like a reviewer. Who that that's something that I don't think exists really anymore. Well, no, it still does exist. I don't know, I don't know if it's appreciated like it once was. Because everyone's a fucking reviewer at the end of the day. Everyone's a critic, yeah. Everyone's a critic. And also that's I too. Everyone's a photographer.

SPEAKER_01 40:32

Yeah, everyone can take a fucking photo.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

But you know what I mean though? Yeah, like everyone can take a photo with the phone.

SPEAKER_01 40:39

Everyone uh like you you can never go to a gig and nobody's nobody's like at least taking like a segment of a like a phone.

SPEAKER_00 40:47

So that's obviously it will sound like a very easy question to answer, but I think for the kind of I don't know, general Joe blogs who don't understand. What is the difference between a photographer and then someone on their phone who can take good quality photos? What's the difference?

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Nothing, you're uh much above me. Uh yeah, um I guess just the professional nature of it. It's very hard to like describe, like it's relatively easier to just go pull up your phone and then just go boop and take a photo like that. Uh while my one my ones like require a lot more like I've got I've got all these settings, I've got all these things that just change the nature of like how they use the camera, all that. I've never been good at like talking about like, oh yes, just set it onto uh ISO uh 6400. Um the shutter speed to 200.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Because you know it gigs that people obviously now can take you know 4K level quality video, photography, you know, photos, whatever it is, and you can adjust the you know do filters and lighting on your phone. So what is the difference of that to what you're doing and why why is what you're doing more valuable? Because I kind of get it. Yeah. A lot of people, a lot of people I think will be like, well, why?

SPEAKER_01 42:09

I think that's a very it's a very tough question because like I've also been at at gigs where like I do take photos and like I do sometimes tinker with like those phone photos. I I don't even think I don't think there's too much of a difference between what I do and what somebody on their phone could do. It's just that my stuff costs a lot more. You yeah. But like my my one's obviously a lot more professional, my one's obviously a lot more like uh in the mo like like less I don't love phone photos and all that, but it still it's still photography, all that. It's still like photography is like the is like one of the more easy hobbies to get into nowadays. It's just like how far how hard do you want to like get into it and all that I'm probably not the best person to like talk about like what makes what makes a photographer what's the difference between a photographer and what's the difference between a guy taking photos on his phone. Um but I do think that there is a there is it's it's it's in the nature of like just how it comes out, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

It's more raw, you reckon? Yeah. Using even a high quality camera, good quality gear. Yeah.

unknown 43:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

And then obviously with the editing and that no one no one goes to that extent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:39

Like mo the general person is not well the average person with their phone isn't going to like also like have like something to adjust the lighting. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:48

No one no one's doing that. And then when they get back, we're not gonna spend like three hours editing photos or whatever. Yeah, or taking three hundred photos. I guess yeah, that's the difference. Is like sure you're taking three hundred to five hundred photos of a band, of one band. In one night. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

I'm taking way more photos than you could ever with your fucking phone.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

So the answer is Lochland is puts in a lot more work. Yeah, I guess. He cares more. He cares, guys. He cares. He cares. That's it. So that's what you're paying for. That's what you're paying for. You're paying for the care. I mean, that's good enough for me, honestly, in some ways. Paying for somebody to give a shit. Yeah, that's true. Because the average person on their phone, like, oh my, when I put like a go to a gig or an event, it's got all my story, and I'm like, that's it. I'm not doing anything more than that. I used to actually hate that shit for ages because I used to think it was like real attention seeking, and now I'm just like, oh no, I don't care.

SPEAKER_01 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

I g I guess like it's weird, it's become very normalized. I don't think it was for ages.

SPEAKER_01 44:43

Yeah, I guess like it like I guess it's just like fun to like just take photos at a gig sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

But I feel like I think people have kind of chilled out on filming like the whole concert on their phone. I think that which is good. Because that was fuck well, like just in a general event. You're like, what? Are you gonna watch that? It sucks, and you're missing it in the moment. The whole point is to be in the moment, regardless if that's even if it's a concert, if it's a fight, if it's a yeah, that's what I like about um that's what I like about photography, is it like I'm I'm there is still an experience to be had when you're like going into a gig and and like listening to like the music and all that while like I like you can like take a video and like film the entire gig and like you know posted it on YouTube or Instagram or whatever the fuck, but you don't get the same feeling. No, yeah, and no one watches it. Unless you've obviously put in the work, right? Like you've got like good gear and you're there to do a job or whatever, but that's the thing, like I'd rather just watch someone do that unless they do something like Splinter Man, like his style of shooting I do like. I think it's really good. I thought you were talking about him.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

I thought you were talking about him when he Oh no no no.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

I was saying I like his style of shooting.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

I got nervous. I was like, oh god, is he talking to the spot?

SPEAKER_00 46:07

We hate him. No, I I like his style of shooting. Um I think like if I was to sit down and watch it, that's what he that's what he's trying to do. And I get it, because it's also a point of difference rather than trying to do the real thing with the floor. Yeah, he does do something different than just stand there and like the typical thing. And I and like with like at live gigs and that, I think that is cool, and I think it's great for the bands. Yeah. Um but I but I but I still like and I I don't know, I don't know his opinion on it, but it's like what I sit there and watch a whole YouTube video of it, I probably if I'm being real, I probably won't. Yeah. But do I appreciate it? Sure.

SPEAKER_01 46:38

And I think the band's I might watch something, some like put together like little show.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

Shout out Spider Man in there, bro. You're cool. Hi.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Or you'd like um not today's who does like um he like films like little bits of like the gig and like oh my god. I've talked to him like so many times, like behind the scenes and like seeing like what he does to like set up like before a gig and like just how he fucking oh my god. Like it's got it's like I think he made me a little nervous, not you're great, right? You you you you're great. Um but I just saw how much effort he put into it and I was like I can't put in that much effort into like filming all of this stuff. And that kind of got me a bit bit nervous about like doing it.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

About doing the like the filmography.

SPEAKER_01 47:30

Filming like at a gig and all of that. And I've like I've done like a few like small shots. I think like because that was like the first thing I did after I did the music video recently was just uh the first gig that I went to, I was just like, what if I just like d what if I just got like a moving shot? And that's kind of like what I've been thinking in terms of like my videography. It's just like what if I what if I just start by just doing some moving photos and all that? Just something like really stupid and pretentious like that.

SPEAKER_00 48:08

Moving photos. Moving photos. Is that a JPEG? A moving JPEG? A GIF? No, it's a good idea. Yeah. Maybe you can start looking into that.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

Yeah, I think that's one thing I want to do in particular.

SPEAKER_00 48:22

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 48:22

Uh the next like couple shoots that I do is just something like just like a quick little like video thing that just shows up in uh photos.

SPEAKER_00 48:35

A point of difference. Well there we go. That was interesting. I think like yeah, I don't know. I I just think um 'cause everyone now feels like you know the the influencer era, the content creator era, and things like film, video, shooting, camera, like people don't I don't know. I just feel like people would say, I'll just do it on my phone. I'll just do it on this, I'll just you know, and it's a thing like there's still an art and there is a place for, you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

It depends on like how um much you want to go into it, I guess. Like if you just need like a video of your band performing, go ahead. Just take it just take a video and uh you guys performing and like if you're good enough like that'll stand out and all of that versus like a professionally made videos like like it should be obvious then that like you're really fucking good and you care, yeah, you're willing to invest.

SPEAKER_00 49:33

I talked about this with um I don't this podcast hasn't actually come out yet, but it'll come out by the time this is out. Oh yeah. And they uh they we talked a lot about investing as I think even like in a band and and as an artist to invest in like to show especially like when you want to try and get funding, because that's a that's a big hot topic all the time with bands, it's getting funding, right? But it's like you need to like show that you care, show that you're willing to invest. Because if you're not willing to invest, why the fuck should anybody else, if you don't want to pay the money, true, why should someone else like uh uh NZ on a funding or whoever it may be, why should they invest? And it's like, oh that is a real good point, you know. If you're not willing to invest into your art or into your craft, why do you think other why do you why would you expect other people to do it? Absolutely, I totally agree with that. I feel like yeah, bands might need to sometimes like take that under you know would need to understand that it's like recording at home in a bedroom to then go into a recording studio. Yeah, it's the same sort of thinking. I think like, yeah, recording at home is like recording a concert on the phone and then going into a studio, it's like having someone properly do it. Exactly. And having a proper audio engineer, but it is you know, and the and the price of these things have come down a lot. I mean, think about your photography gear. If you go back about 15 years ago, imagine how much more expensive it would have been. Yeah, it's still expensive. It's still expensive, but it's probably you what I'm saying though, right? It would have been probably more expensive. The same with recording gear as well, because recording gear is so much cheaper now, but like, do you have the skills and knowledge to how to use it? Probably not. You know, like like people probably won't. So even I've got I've got a bit of experience with recording it, but I definitely know if I record a band, like I definitely can't make it sound amazing. I don't have that skill, I'm not in it every day. So having a music producer and someone who does it all the time, obvious obviously, yeah, it's gonna be miles above well, hopefully, what I do. Hopefully.

SPEAKER_01 51:29

Otherwise, what's going on?

SPEAKER_00 51:35

Yeah. But yeah, it's it's just like uh I don't know, I find that I find that interesting in the era that we're in with a lot of like because we're in such a because it's a lot more available than like it's much more ready available. The digital age has made things a lot easier for everyone to kind of you know do all these things that for a long time weren't you couldn't you couldn't do on your own unless you spent a shitload of money. Yeah. Like a recording desk like a like before even the early digital ones, isn't like 50k to get one of those, you know? It's really expensive.

SPEAKER_01 52:05

Definitely didn't spend 50k on my camera.

SPEAKER_00 52:08

It's really expensive. I mean, I'm just it's just a ballpark number, but they're very expensive uh to get like decent gear. And same with like a good camera, like having a big fuck off like broadcast camera or something to video something, it's like holy shit. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of effort. Could never fucking go.

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Sorry, I've gotta make my way through the crowd.

SPEAKER_00 52:29

That's what people would do though. Oh yeah. If you look at old videos and that of like some bands or even like events, but probably for the more popular ones and all of that. Yeah, but I think even then like your camcorder's gonna suck shit. Like your camcorder's terrible. I had a we we had one growing up growing up with like tape on it. And like it was alright for the family holiday, but if you want to record something good on it, it's just like the fuck is this? Yeah, you know I get what you mean. So but yeah, so it's readily available.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Even like with the camcorder, you could get it still get like some kind of like a lot of people do like to just film with like little cam old camcorders. Like a game now, you know. It's a retro vibe. It's an artistic choice. It's an artistic choice.

SPEAKER_00 53:11

Whereas before that was all that was there. Yeah, it was just they probably just did it because it was available. It's like recording onto tape. It's like, oh, it's an artistic choice. It's like, well, we didn't well, that was all we could do. We can only use tape.

SPEAKER_01 53:20

Yeah, and nowadays it's just we uh yeah have a lot more freedom to just be like, oh, I want that to look like this.

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Yeah, I want it to sound like that. I want it to look like that.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

I want it to sound like shit. It's supposed to be retro.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Yeah, retro shit back in the back. Sounds like you're out of time. Yeah, it just sounds like you're lazy or it looks like you're lazy. Yeah, I don't know. I find that with like the overpolishing. We've talked about it here a bit, like the over polishing things too much, or everything getting so so overdone. But I do find like younger bands in that as well, artists in general, like people have kind of gone away from that, which I think is good. Because for a long time it was like, we gotta make this super clean. Yeah. I don't think it's very human anymore.

SPEAKER_01 53:59

Yeah, there's some there's something in like the imperfections of something that make it a little bit more real.

SPEAKER_00 54:10

It's too too much CGI, but CGI has almost gotten worse. I don't know why. Have you noticed that?

SPEAKER_01 54:15

Yeah. Oh my god. Have you seen The Flash? No, I haven't. Oh my god. Oh my god. What happened? That is probably the worst CGI I've ever seen in a movie.

SPEAKER_00 54:25

Why has it gotten so much worse?

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Because like everything looks like rubbery, everything looks like it's it was filmed underwater. It like they bring back like some old fucking actors that died like fucking like decades ago. It's so it's the wor it's the worst CGI.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

Because I was watching like just like a random clip popped up in my Instagram feed about like um some well, what was the comparison? I can't remember the other movie. It was like it was this one about like Transformers CGR. I mean, this is the bigger one. But on like 2007, this is a long time ago, and it looks incredible for CGR. Yeah. Like, why have we gone like gotten worse?

SPEAKER_01 55:07

Yeah, we got these people want to make these movies faster. Yeah, they're faster, faster, faster, faster. Like cheaper, cheaper, cheaper. Like, I'm really nervous about the new Spider-Man movie that just started filming and is being released like next year. It's like that's kind of oh cheap out. Oh man, I don't know how that's gonna look. I I really love Spider-Man, but like fuck I watched the first Spider-Man in the other night with Toby Maguire.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Fuck it's good. Fuck that's good. Yeah. I mean, I mean that that that's my Spider-Man. Toby Maguire's my Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_01 55:37

Like honestly, Toby is my Spider-Man. Uh I I was obsessed with Spider-Man as a kid. I feel like everyone fucking much kid was it, hey, what who wasn't obsessed with?

SPEAKER_00 55:48

Especially at that time. I think that was the f that's the first ever live Spider-Man movie, right? Was it the first live action? Live action. Sorry, live action.

SPEAKER_01 55:55

I'm gonna be an absolute fucking nerd. And it wasn't. There's the um Nicholas Hammond. Um there was like a TV movie kind of thing where like they have like a guy who like crawls up the wall on a wire and he's gonna like do this kind of like weird thing where he's not obviously not attached to it, but he's gonna act like he's attached to it.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

There was a TV show in the 70s, right? Yeah, there was like two.

SPEAKER_01 56:22

There were two live-action Spider-Man shows. There was the Nicholas Hammond one and then there was the Japanese Spider-Man, which is that is amazing. I've seen I I've seen clips of that. Watch Japanese Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_00 56:35

Watch Japanese Spider-Man, that is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

Absolutely fucking insane. Well, I don't know if I should say this because like I have family that are gonna watch this, but like one of the first times I got high, I was just chatting with my mates about like Japanese Spider-Man, and they haven't not let me forget that. They're like, Oh, you remember Planet Spider? And like, shit, shut up. Spider-Man. I was buzzed then.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Bro, that shit is so funny.

SPEAKER_01 57:04

It's like and also the my favorite bit he had like a Power Ranger, like Zor at the end, like the big Roberanger suit who like would come out and the the big like robot fight at the end of it. It's just like well that's how like that was like I'm I'm gonna botch this story, but like I said, that's how that's that was before Power Rangers, and Power Rangers like took from that because that was like is it Japanese Sentai like stuff.

SPEAKER_00 57:31

No, because the Jeff the Japanese one came out, I know there's actually a big Power Rangers thing, so it came out in the 70s. Yeah, so it was super super sentai, is what they called it.

SPEAKER_01 57:38

And it became popular because of Japanese Spider-Man, uh and then that led into Power Rangers, so in a roundabout way it still led into Spider Japanese Spider-Man influence power rangers.

SPEAKER_00 57:49

Yeah, in a sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 57:51

My friends are gonna be laughing so much when they hear this part because they're gonna be like, Oh, he's talking about Japanese Spider-Man again.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

But like I remember, yeah, because Power Rangers came out and then like the Western American one was in the 90s. But then, yeah, the other the Japanese one have been running for almost 20 years by that point. Yeah, something like that. It's been going for a long time. So probably. But yeah, Japanese Spider-Man is great. Yeah. I love that. Great. I don't know, I don't think it's don't think it's aged well. There's a lot of like children getting beaten up and like heading up with the book. That's what's great about it. That's the beauty back in the day. Back in the day we could beat children.

SPEAKER_01 58:25

It's like when we watched, it's like when we watched Blade Runner, and then you just have a woman beating in there, and you're just like, yeah, yeah, we're great movie, but then you're like, ah, bring some context.

SPEAKER_00 58:38

Because everyone's like, you watch it and you're like, oh wow, like it's such a like, wow, what an amazing movie. It really like, you know, so futuristic. And you're like, ah.

SPEAKER_01 58:46

Bring some context to people who might not know. Yeah, we first time like we were proper hung out, we watched Blade Runner. Yeah, that was fucking awesome. We got to watch it on the big screen. Yeah, that was so it was so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

I was great because I got to watch it again because I only watched it at home. And that watching it in a movie was in the property. It was such a different experience. A hundred times better. Yeah. But that's um that's a that's just one other movie as well. We have to like really stop and think about it sometimes. Like, ah, okay. I kind of understand the metaphor there, what it means.

SPEAKER_01 59:15

Yeah, this was like the best time that I've ever experienced it. I've probably watched it like like three times in like three times before I watched it with you. And just at home and with friends and stuff. Yeah, and it was just less of an experience. Less impactful. It just felt like, oh yeah, I'm just watching a movie. Yeah, and like you're not like paying attention as much. Like a feel as immersed. You can you can definitely like get immersed when you're watching something on TV, sure. I'm not gonna say like you have to watch everything in the cinemas, but like that's definitely something you should experience if you get the chance to just watch it on the biggest fucking screen possible.

SPEAKER_00 59:57

Whatever. Well well, if you had to give like five Well Blade Runner 2049 also.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

Yeah, that's another one as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:04

But if you have like five like top cult classic movies that everyone should watch, what would you give? Like what would be on your top five apart from Blade Runner?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Um well I'm a big horror movie guy. Um I love to do like a big rewatch of all the Friday the 13th movies on like around about Halloween. Yeah, there's like I've only watched a bit of the first one.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:28

There's like 12 of them. There's so many. And then there's Freddie versus. Oh yeah, they're in space, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Yeah. There's the one in space, that's Jason X. Uh there's Jason Goes to Hell where he becomes like some weird body snatcher kind of creature thing, and he's just running around the whole movie trying to like regain his body. Stupid as shit. Because it just does not make any fucking sense. Uh, and I think it even tries to like tie in like the Evil Dead stuff. Like because like you see the Necronomicon from the Evil Dead movies, and I guess it's like trying to tie that in somehow. I don't know. Wow. I guess it implies that Jason is like a deadite, something like that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:12

That's when they used to make slash movies, and they just make like so many sequels. Yeah. They'd make like heaps. Yeah, there was Halloween was like that as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:19

Yeah, Halloween also liked that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

First Halloween movie is so good. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:22

First Halloween is like a very atmospheric fucking Yeah. I loved it. Yeah, it's I'm I'm not a horror movie guy, but it's like one of those things where like I get like like when I was uh when I watched it like when I was younger, like it made me like kind of like I never really got like scared of the dark, but it kind of made me like weary. Oh god. Who's around me? Do I want to be like around here for like too long?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:44

I I used to hate horror movies. I was such a positive horror moment.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:47

Yeah, same. Like until like I just discovered how fucking stupid they are.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Yeah, they get silly. But slasher ones as well. Slasher movies, yeah. One of the best ones I ever watched. Back in school, actually, I watched um Behind the Mask. The Rise of Elizabeth? No, no, no. Maybe that was the sub part of it. I don't know. I just remember like this movie about this guy. Who is it with a documentary? Yeah, make it a documentary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:10

Ah, yeah, yeah. So good. Behind the mask, the rise of Elizabeth, and great underrated fucking so fucking good.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:17

Such a good movie. I don't think so. Some of those slashes are really clear. I love Scream.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:21

Yeah, it it was it was kind of like Scream, where but like I felt like the meta-ness actually helps like the characters because like go watch Behind the Mars Rise of Leslie Vernon. Um and because like they actually use like things that they learn about him to defeat him in the movie. Well, like with the Scream ones, it it's the they just know like they've watched horror movies before, but they don't exactly use their knowledge of horror movies to beat the villain because it it's supposed to be realistic, it's supposed to be crowded somewhat, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

So good.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

I gotta I I have to rewatch that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:06

The screen movies are fun to watch. I've only seen the first one, that's real good. Yeah, I think it's a fun movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:11

Yeah, I've watched them to the newest one. Uh the newest one it's alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:18

It's alright, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:19

I'd say like most of them are just alright.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:22

I watched I think the last horror movie I watched in the theatres would have been It. That's why the last one I watched. Really? Yeah. That's ages ago. Yeah. I don't yeah. I'm not a crazy uh horror film guy, but like every now and again I'm like, ooh. That was really good as well. Yeah. Because the story's good. It's a good story. You know who directed It? Same guy who did The Flash. Damn. Mixing it up. Oh, fun fact to you, I just learned recently from my mate. Apparently the first Spider-Man movie was directed by what was his name? Sam Raimi who did Evil Dead. Yeah, so yeah, so it was a horror movie director. Sorry, I know all of you. You know all of us. I don't need to teach you the movie trivia. You're a film buffer. You're a film buff.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:59

I'm not like to the point where like I'm correcting people like you're on internet forums as well, correcting everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

Relatively read it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:09

I have opinions on movies and all that. I'm willing to talk about like a lot of movie shit whenever you bring it up to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:17

Well, I just buzzed out when I learned that the first which makes sense because when I watched the first Spider-Man as a kid, I was like got real jumpy. I'm like, this is a Spider-Man. Am I like why why am I getting scared during it? And I'm like, oh, I was directed by a horror film. Yeah, I did horror film. Oh, that's why it's like that. Yeah. Because I watched it the other night and I and I got like a I jumped again.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:34

Yeah, I was just with like Spider-Man 2. There's like a whole scene where like um a Dr. Octopus is like asleep and he his arms like attack people, and it's like fuck, but how did that not scare the shit out of me as a kid? Yeah, it's like a shot where like she like has her hands on the fucking floor and you see the scrapes on the floor, she's dragged away. It's like holy shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:56

That's meant to be a kid's movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:57

How did that not scare me? Yeah, I that I think that's what like got me in when it made me realize that I was into horror movies because I always felt like I was probably I we felt like oh I could I couldn't do that, I can't do that. But then I watched it and I was like, oh, it's it's a lot like I didn't get scared, it's just stuff that I've already seen.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:19

There's an art form behind it too, yeah. Creating suspense with the music, with the tension of a scene to then the jump scare. Because the tension you're creating before the jump is all is like that's the most important of the thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Yeah, it's not always the best, like jump scares.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:33

Like sometimes the jump scare is more uncomfortable. When it's actually something scary, yeah, then it works.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:38

But like so many horror movies are like boom, oh there's somebody who just boom comes out of a corner and like and it's not supposed to be scary, but you you're supposed to be on edge. Yeah. It's the beginning of the movie or something.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:51

You see, that's an uncomfortable feeling. I don't actually enjoy that. Yeah. I know some people enjoy that. I don't. I I just don't get scared by that because I know it's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

Early on in the movie. And so like you gotta build some kind of tension towards like that, that kind of thing. You know, you can't just go, Oh, suddenly, boom. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

That's every horror film. Yeah. But yeah, I d I I'm I don't find that a comfortable experience. You know? Yeah, fair enough. But yeah, and you know, whatever tickles your pickle, you know. Don't let me don't do horror movies tickle your pickle? They tickle a lot of people's pickle, so hey.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:28

Yeah, I guess I I guess you could say that horror movies tickle my pickle. They did. I said that right into the camera, so you can make a clip out of it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:37

Lachlan's pickle is tickled.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:40

Lachlan's pickle pickle gets tickled by fucking horror movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:48

Oh dude. What a fucking great yarn. I felt like. So what's the future plans for you? Future plans? Oh god.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:58

Exist, live, survive. Survive? Yeah. Yeah, I got a lot of personal stuff, money issues, all that right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:06

So who doesn't, bro? True. And the worst recession and like the highest cost of living within the history. Probably well, probably not within history, but for a let's say a very long time.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Yeah, but uh what else have I got coming up? Well, yeah, I mentioned I'm trying to do more music videos. Taking a break from taking a break from gigging just for a little bit. Just because I feel like I've leaned too hard into it and I just want to like build myself back up like just a little bit more. Um but what else? Uh I got some I got like two photo shoots that I'm supposed to do next week. Um more musicians as artists, or is it uh um one of them's a musician, one of them's just my mate. Oh cool. We took some photos and he looked he like did like this weird smile and he just looked way too much like the Joker to pass that up.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:03

That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:04

Yeah. So we're gonna do something like that. Shout out, Mitch. I just burped right before I said your name.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:12

What is something you wanna you wanna work towards? Like what what would be like uh I don't know, is it like beer photography? Well something like that like a b a bigger event? Is it to work on like in the studio?

SPEAKER_01 1:08:23

Is it to Well something that I really do want to do? What are you striving for? Um right now. Uh I'm I want to talk to one of my mates about this before like um before I commit to anything, but I want to start doing short films.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:38

Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

Yeah, I think that would be fun to do. I've got some ideas for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

Like buy short films talking like half an hour, 15 minutes. Fifteen minutes to half an hour, something like that. Cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:52

Just or just or just film a scene of just people talking all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:58

Just direct to YouTube or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:59

Yeah, I just want to do like I want to get more into like the narrative side of things. I think that's that's the goal right now. Cool. Yeah.

unknown 1:09:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:10

See where that takes you.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:12

See how it goes. If it if it doesn't work out, then whatever. I did like I did some directing in film school. Um, mostly out of force. Okay. Um so uh when I was at film school, uh they gave us like all classes that we're supposed to go into. And um I really, really wanted to do directing, but the directing class was all full. Uh and but there was so many fuck there were so many people that dropped out because it was all it was in co 2020 during COVID, and like so many people dropped out that like I was just like, hey, can I can I just can I just do one? Can I just do one? Can I just do one? I just pestered my teachers all fucking year about like doing this because I just want that was where I w was at, and I brute forced my way into directing a short film that isn't public because uh the dialogue is kind of cringy. But like honestly, um I watched the new Superman movie and there's like a really good line in there. Um there's a really good line, what's it what was it called? Um maybe that's a new punk rock. Um I I really felt that line and and it's really fucking cheesy, but it kind of got me confident in like like my writing style and just being like, oh yeah, maybe I should.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

Sometimes a little bit of cheese is alright.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:42

Yeah, sometimes a little bit of cheese is fine. And like like and Yeah. It's I yeah, I don't want to talk too much about like that short film, but like like I I f I think like I don't know. I think I lost my train of thought there.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:04

It's alright. You you're I often do that. Well, if you're new writing, you're gonna be allowing yourself to be a bit cheesy if you're rather than trying to restrict not having the cheese on you.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:14

Rather than just being like, oh, this is too stupid. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

You gotta roll you gotta roll the stupid sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

Turns out it's really good.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:20

So sometimes you yeah, you just gotta be committed to the bit and just kind of go, you know what, this is kind of stupid, I'm not gonna do it anyway. Yeah. I'm sure like when you started off, like when you started off doing the podcast, you're just like, oh no, this might be kind of stupid.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:37

Oh, for it's uh I mean it was stupid for ages. I mean like it still is, it still is a bit stupid, but I kind of just it's uh it's funny because I think after this amount of time, I just I back myself so much. Yeah. So I don't really get like, ooh, shouldn't have said that. It's happened a couple of times, but then I'm like and then I listen back and I'm like, eh. It's fine in the moment, it's not really a big deal. Yeah. But there'll be those moments. Uh but I I don't know. I I don't really I'm not that insecure, I guess. If I was if I was 15 years old, it might be different. Yeah. But I'm 30 now, so I don't care. Yeah, I think when you get older you just start caring as much. It's not really as important as you think it is, and people don't find it very important, really, at the end of the day. So I I don't I don't you know think about that too much.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:27

I think um I think that's what what the point that I'm approaching right now is like where I'm just caring less about like all that because like caring has gotten me nowhere. No caring too much has gotten me nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:40

He's gotta put it out. I mean, you could say there were a lot of things. I mean, for me, even the beginning of the podcast, like I've worked really hard in the last little bit on the production. But I go back for even like beginning of the year and I'm like, hey, like look at those, and I'm just like, but I'm so happy I did it. Because otherwise I wouldn't be it's so cheesy, and we've all heard it a million times, but it's like I wouldn't it wouldn't look what it does, looks like now, wouldn't be where it is. I have to go through that pain period of like, why does it look like that? It could be better, it could be better. Yeah, but Sam, it doesn't when people want to come out with perfection. I mean, hey, maybe some people can do it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:12

Yeah, you can't start off and just be perfect at everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:14

Uh yeah, I can't.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:15

So I mean I can, but yeah. You're more like me. I'm I'm perfect in every way, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:23

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:24

Aren't you just all right?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

Well, um, let's move into some I called them quick fires. Well, they were quick fires, now they're called slow fires because they always end up being very long explanations to short questions. So let's go over this first question. Best movie you've seen this year. Best movie. Um, Superman. So that really?

SPEAKER_01 1:13:42

Yeah. Okay. That's that's more of a personal thing for me. I've always been a big Superman nut. Not maybe not always, but like um I'm I am a big Superman nut. Uh I usually do have a Superman.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:57

Oh, look at that!

SPEAKER_00 1:13:58

That's so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:00

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Well which um which Superman for All Seasons. Uh it's written by Jeff Loeb and drawn by Tim Sale.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:08

It's got a big what year is that?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:10

Sorry? What year is it? Like what year was this written? Probably like 2000s or something. It says 2003 here. Uh but I don't know if that's when it came out or like a re like a rewrite or something. Yeah. That's cool. But like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:24

That's sick.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:25

Yeah. It's just like um it's a superman origin story kind of thing. Not necessarily an origin story, but like just the first couple days well no, the first couple seasons of him like being Superman and just you know how he be how he became Superman. Yeah, all that's cool stuff. You even get Lex Luther with hair in here somewhere. Oh right. Yeah, yeah, he's got hair. He's a ginger.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:56

That explains the anger. Stereotypes are fun. Um all right. I didn't expect it, but that's cool as fuck. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:06

I think I have like some stickers from my mate last night that I I probably can't find right now, but shout out um Zayd.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:15

Shout out Zayd. Alright, um, another one. Uh what's uh what's been a when you go for you've done so many gigs, have you been ever surprised by the quality of a band or an artist when you've done like you've been surprised by the like I don't know, performance, professionalism, music I always get surprised, honestly.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:32

You always get surprised? I'm constantly surprised by like anyone who like puts in like a bit of effort. I don't know, like any standout names? Doesn't have to be one, just Bondocks. Boondocks have always surprised me with like because like I always feel like I'm gonna I know what I'm gonna get, and then they fucking go around and bring a Bigfoot suit. Yeah. Yeah, that's fucking cool, eh? Yeah, it's fucking awesome. Yeah, all right. I like anything that like adds a little bit of variety, like just a little bit of variety to the photos and all that. Like like also Death Chemist is also a standout name. Oh let me try and think of another name. You can cut out the part where I'm thinking too much because then it makes me look terri terrible. No, I'm gonna leaving it on.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:21

I want everyone to know that you're thinking for too long. No, but there are so many bands. You've done like, I mean, how many keyboards are seguated? I mean, I mean, how many bands have you photographed at this point? I don't keep track. I it must be like I've what? 300? 300 bands?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

If it's 300, then fuck me. Or was it more than that? It I don't know. I so many. I genuinely don't know. I have not kept track of how many bands I've done. There's it's definitely in the hundreds of.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:47

It must be in a couple of hundred by this point. Surely.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:49

Because like most most gigs have like at least three bands, or maybe two. Um maximum I've seen is probably like six. And so like if you count that up over like two years, probably there's probably up to like maybe even uh if I had to guess something, yeah, probably like 300, something like that. It's a lot, and then 300, 500 photos.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:21

That's so many. Fuck it out. This is very existential. Damn, that's just so many photos. Oh my god. Guys, Lochland cares. Holy crap. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:31

Do I ever? Jesus. I think it's just fun, honestly. Yeah, I don't get paid for a lot of the gigs that I just show up to. Just love it. I just I just do it because I want to.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

You know, well, that's it, right? Like, um, you just you found something you really enjoy and you get a lot out of. And that's what like means the most to me, and it will probably do very well. Like you'll have a career in it before like you'll become your full-time job and all that stuff. So yeah. Yeah, yeah. Oh well, okay. Uh if I can give you another one just straight out of the yeah, do you have like a list of questions? No, I just I just make them up on the spot. I don't really have scripts for these. Um if I pull something out. Okay. Um have you got a favorite camera?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:15

The one that I have. Um I'm I'll be honest, I'm not much of a camera guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:21

You're not really much of a camera guy, says the photographer.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:23

I I know how to use a I know how to use a camera, um, but I don't know the differences between this model and this model and this model and this model. Uh like You're not that technical with the game. I'm not that technical. I just like the editing part of it. That's the most fun that I get out of it. What's something that photographers do that bug you? Um most photographers should always wear black. Not necessarily all the time, but like if you if you're wearing like something bright, bright, or you're doing something that like stands out, then that's fucking annoying.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:03

That's a that's a good call. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:06

Something I learned like really fucking early on was blended. Yeah, just blend in and you just just don't cause it. You're not there for the attention. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're there to do something, and you're not necessarily there to cause a scene.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:24

And uh I'll give one more. If you had to choose one only like you, if you had to do like uh No, what was I gonna say? If you had to choose one only Scott podcast, which one's your favourite? No. But yes, no. Uh if you had to choose okay. Uh out of what was okay, since you've done fighting and you've done a bit of sports, if you had to choose one more sport, what's a sport you'd like to try? There we go, we got there. What what sport would you like to try to do photography for?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:53

Um, I'm not much of a sports guy. Not really much of a sport, yeah. I mean I I I know that, but if you're you'd not hear me rant about all of this superhero shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:04

Doesn't mean you don't like sports. There's plenty of sports, there's plenty of guys who love sport who are nerds, bro. Okay, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:10

But like, I don't know. Um my dad, my dad loves cricket, so I'd say cricket. Try and do cricket? Yeah. I'd say I'd like to do something like that. That that could be interesting. I don't know how you'd do it, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:27

That could be the fun in finding out. Yeah, yeah. Oh, cool, cool. Alright, bro. Um, before we go, is there anything you'd like to promote? Anything you'd like to any more people you want to shout out before we go? Or promote? Yeah. Who else can I shout out?

SPEAKER_01 1:20:41

Hi mum, hi dad. Um, hi Nana, hi not granddad. I think I've made this joke already.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:49

I'm just repeating the same joke over and over and over. Um who else do I want to shout out? Shout out this. Um just shout out everyone that like um has helped me get to where I am and has just been there for the journey, all that cheesy nonsense. I don't know. I like to get a bit sentimental. I think we talked about this before, but like I like to let people know when they have helped me and like like sometimes sometimes I can be a bit unself-aware about like my impact on people or like um or when somebody's helped me out, but like I do want to try to acknowledge when I feel like somebody somebody's been really nice to me, or somebody's been very helpful to me. So like I wish I could like name off names. Um I didn't shout out Tom. Tom, hi Tom. Uh Tom was the guy who was supposed to have the ticket to Blade Runner. Oh, right, right. So you can I got the consolation prize. Thanks. You you're my sloppy seconds.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:00

Fuck me, never say that again, bro. In your dreams. Uh alright, bro. Well that was that was very sweet. A very sweet ending apart from the sloppy seconds part. But uh yeah, that's been great getting to know about getting started with photography, looking forward to what you do in the future.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:18

I was very nervous about doing this, but like done well, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:22

We came out at the other end. Yeah. You know, it's done alright, we're still here. You know, the world hasn't ended. Still explained. That might change.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:30

Maybe maybe all of the footage will be corrupted. Yeah. And then we can just say, oh, damn.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:35

Yeah. That sucks. And then it's just audio, but we can AI it and then put someone else's face. My spirit animal. I don't know. I don't know what my spirit animal is. I've never thought about that. No. I don't know what your spirit animal is. I don't know mine is either, but we'll figure something out.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:54

You know, if all if that happens.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:56

I can be a turtle, and you can be a slightly bigger turtle.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:02

A bigger turtle. Very slow. I'll just slow down the speed of this podcast altogether. Hell yeah. Alright. Well, thanks, bro. Thanks, Locklin Kirkworth, for coming on, man. Yeah, it's been fun. Uh yeah, looking forward to get up to more filming. Yeah. And uh, yeah, more videos, more shit to come. Yeah. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:18

All right. To catch you around as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:20

Yeah, bro. I'll be around. All right. Thanks everyone for listening. Bye.