EP #86 - NZ Rock Band - Capricore

Great to catchup with Capricore again!
I sat down with Aidan (vocals/guitar) and Oli (bass) for a proper yarn about where the band is at today and the new direction they’re carving out.

The conversation took all sorts of twists and turns. We talked about their recent single 'Smile' and their release show, getting signed to aaa records, sending Capricore to space for a show and even some kinky fan fiction. Enjoy! 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

And I'm back here with Capricor. Aiden and Ollie.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Nice.

SPEAKER_03 0:07

Yeah, I was like, oh no.

SPEAKER_01 0:08

And Josh. And Josh. Aiden's actually Josh. Where's Josh?

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Where's the mystery for Josh? Where's Josh at? Uh for people who don't know, like last time I released the uh podcast last year with Capricorn James is here and I called him Josh. And just before I called him Josh as well, even though he's not here. He's just Josh. Just Josh to me. It's just JJ. JJ. James Josh. James Josh. Apologies. Apologies, James. But yeah, guys. Check together. It was a good show last night. It was a good time. Thank you for coming along. Oh, thanks for thanks for having me. That was fun. Honestly, you guys in the back had like that um like that I don't know what you call like a death garden or whatever. Like the mana. Like the mannequin. The mannequin? Oh, smiley. Bro, I freaked out. I let you turn around like fuck because you had like this, like the spirits. I know that's deliberate, but I I I got scared. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Yeah, I thought it would scare some people. No, it scared me. That was uh Josh's idea. That was James's idea. Um he's always doing like the if if there's the if there's like a really wacky prop in the venue, it'll be because of him.

SPEAKER_01 1:08

I love the wacky props. But it's great.

SPEAKER_03 1:10

No, it added a lot in all the balloons and stuff. No, I I really enjoyed that because I again don't see really any bands do that sort of thing. You know, sometimes people get quirky like uh like the boondocks, they brought out the sasquat, and they've been that's really fun, but no one has like the balloons and then yeah, it had like that mannequin. That that scared me. But um, I'm very easily frightened. I go to spookers, man. I'm a pussy.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

I still need to go to spookers, but you're not being a good one. I'm scared that I won't be scared enough. Like I'm scared that it won't affect me.

SPEAKER_03 1:38

Are you a fan of horror films?

SPEAKER_01 1:40

Yeah, I just never like I'm not a fan because they don't scare me. And if a horror film doesn't scare you, it kind of has it kind of has nothing to give you. Does that make sense? Like it needs to have more depth to it. I love what's happening.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Ah, so you need like a jump scare, but it needs to have like some uh legitimate like it needs like some backstory with that. To traumatize you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

I feel like a lot of times where they like make horror mil films or something like that, I feel like thrillers are better. Um but like in a horror situation, it's like if you're not scared by it, it doesn't really have other like depth.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

What if it's just like an eerie feeling? Like it's not like immediately oh terrifying is the idea.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

There's just not much like story behind it either. It's just kind of like this is spooky. Yeah, and if you're not spooked, then it's just kind of like this is spooky. So do you like psychological horror?

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Yeah, I really get my psychological horror. Because it depends, like if you watch like a slash and be like serial killers, that's not that scary, really. But when I always, for me, is when they get like uh invol psychological and like religious. That's when things for me get scary. So like you got like you know, Christian themes or like gods involved and like spirits and ghosts. That's when it gets for me. I'm like, okay, that's a that's a Yeah, ghosts. Or like um Exorc. Oh like Exorcist to me, it's not like super scary, but I remember when I was young. Did you guys ever heard the movie Um The Exorcism of Emily Rose? I recognise the title, but uh that's like kind of based on a true story as well. Basically, like this this lady who got possessed by like the devil and they had to like exercise her and that. But the way that they filmed it, I'd that was that was really scary.

SPEAKER_00 3:04

I watched it when I was like 12 and I was like, uh watching a bit of horror movies, I think it's Halloween was a little while ago.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Um the first one? The origin the the holiday. Oh the holiday. Yes, I do love Halloween, that's one of my favorites. Like I it's a great movie, great sounds good. I like stuff that's just slightly eerie, but not overly scary. But I'm like, oh, I like the way they did that shot. Like I watched um I watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre for the first time, and I thought I wouldn't really like it just based on I don't know, not what I'd heard, I didn't really know much about it. But just if it's just like violence without any meaning behind it. Right. Yeah. But I watched it and I was like, it made me want to film because the the the camera angles and how raw and realistic it was, and because it was one of the first ones, it was also very like psychologically impactful. So I thought it was like really cool. Is this the original one that came out? The original 70s, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:53

Yeah, do you notice with 70s movies, especially like movies probably I want to say pre-2000, because there's just so much empty space. And that's one thing I feel like with a lot of film now, they try and fill it up all the space with like background music or sounds, foley, and then whatever. But when you watch older films, there's just so much like dead space. And I feel like that's missing, yeah. It's missing, you know.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Even though it's like kind of a lot of them are considered cheesy, but there is yeah, a lot of that space, and they just had to work with what they had, which kind of made it more grounded in a way. It's more less polished, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:28

Yeah, yeah. I really enjoy that with um some of those, like have if you have you guys seen the original Halloween? Yeah. The OG one? Yeah, because that one's got a lot of um, yeah, recommend. I mean, it's not scary, yeah, but it's um for the time, if you think about it, it's just really creepy. Yeah, but they they do a really good job of like the space and then creating Mike Myers, and they don't reveal too much about him, which also makes it like uh when he arrives in the scene, it's like a bit more scary. Yeah, and like not and not many people die either. And that's what's also I think adds to it. It's not an overkill, like a hundred people get killed. It's like just like all right.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

I hate when things go outside of their like scope. Like as soon as it's like, and the world is ending, it's like, I don't care, dude.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Like it's too much now. You've overdone it.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

It's not real, like I can't think about that. It's kind of like when you're seeing like a torture singing or something, and it's like it's supposed to be like really terrifying, they're like soaring their body in half. It's just like, okay, but I have no idea how that would feel.

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Yeah, it's also just kind of gross. Yeah. I don't know. For me, I'm just I'm not scared, I'm just like, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

There's nothing like emotionally impactful and like relative to the storyline.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

But like seeing needles near eyeballs. Oh, yeah, needles when needles get involved. When eyeballs get involved. Yeah, I'm like, it's like people's eyes don't feel like like like uh like a blood, if you like give blood. Do you guys watch watch? Yeah, I can't, I can't. I can't my head has to be over here, and I'm just like, don't look, don't look, don't look.

SPEAKER_01 5:45

I mean, I do paramedicine, so I really have to.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Oh right, yeah, you have to look. Yeah. Oh right, paramedicine. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. You must have seen some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 5:53

Not yet. I mean, I've seen a guy get hit in the head with a machete um and bleed out a really good.

SPEAKER_03 5:58

Get some shit. That is some stuff. That's some stuff.

SPEAKER_01 6:00

It wasn't that like intense of a situation.

SPEAKER_03 6:02

Just like just was like an like it off. Yeah, was that like an accident or someone someone did it? Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

It was very deliberate, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

I see. That was like a court case and everything.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Um there was a lot of police around. I don't really know. I was just there to help the guy out.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

Paramedicine. So so you go to a lot of like, wow, that's really interesting. So you so you're out in the in the ambulance a lot, and so doing a lot of shift work as well.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

Yeah, it's yeah, 12 hours days and nights. Respect. That's a hard, that's a hard job. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:31

Yeah. So you might yeah, because a lot of people with a lot of it's accidents on the road, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Honest n the majority, maybe like 80% of it, is just going to people's houses, like really old people, they like fall down.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Um or like they get really sick and they can't like breathe properly, so you need to like help them out, or their back pain is so bad that they need to like transport. You know, it's like actually a lot of like community work, really. Um and then you have like the odd job where it's like a motor vehicle accident or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 6:56

Right, right. Okay. So yeah, uh yeah, that that that that makes sense. But I just an awkward life, just how many bad riders? So I'm just assuming I swear I see like a motorway accident once a week. Yeah. I mean well, at least you're not there every time.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Yeah, exactly. There's a limit of how many you can see because those would be like highlighters. Yeah, because uh you can only see like two like intense jobs per um shift because otherwise that would be insane. Like if you just kept getting more. So it's like divided between people.

SPEAKER_03 7:28

Wow. I I always want like when I was when I was younger, I was a lifeguard. I think the most intense thing I saw was like what was it? It was like something was uh it was like a stick that got like stuck in someone's like a sharp stick. Well, piece of wood or something, I think, stuck in someone's leg. Uh but that was about it.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Oh, the scariest ones though, and I'm sure you might have seen, is like spinal injuries. That's really scary because you can't touch them too much and you have to put them on the spinal board. That's freaky. Especially when I had we had um this is a long time ago now, but this little this little girl, she got dumped by a wave and like came down on her neck.

SPEAKER_01 8:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

But then it's like shit.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Okay, you gotta like them out, you've got to move them too much. It's a complicated.

SPEAKER_03 8:07

And then you've got the parents screaming, got the crowd coming in, then you that's because crowd control, you know, that's another big part of like your role, right?

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:15

Damn. Yeah, wow. Oh, right. Oh, well, there we go. You guys will be right on tour. So, you know, we're just Hollyhead. And if something happens in the audience as well, you can leap into the crowd.

SPEAKER_01 8:26

It's funny because I feel like if I didn't have the equipment that we had, I don't really know what to do. Yeah, because we're like so trained specifically based on the stuff that we have.

SPEAKER_03 8:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Then in a situation where I didn't have things, I'd be like, oh no! Like, what do I do with the situation? Like, I don't have my like, you know, bandages and doors and like all of it.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

Or like the DFib unit or something gives you the instructions. Yeah. Oh man, I forgot about all that stuff. Yeah. It's been a long time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

I mean, I probably could J rig something.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

Hook them up to a tuner.

SPEAKER_01 8:55

So there's screams of an E flat on the screen.

SPEAKER_03 8:58

It's out of key. This is why he didn't sing.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Oh yeah. Not a word of case, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

So um I'll talk about it. We'll get back to the music. Um, with uh the smile release show last night, um, and the new song and the video. That was a so that was done uh in Auckland, but that was well whose house was it? Did you guys say that Jarek's place, yeah?

SPEAKER_02 9:21

And partially James's. Oh yeah, well we kind of split it because some of it was also, yeah, where James's, so it's split. And then Edie technically walked all across Auckland in a way. That was uh our main character. Yeah. Um yeah, because they were like, I think some of it was Teatro 2, and then some I need to get closer to the mic. The mic. Um yeah, some of it was in Teatro 2, I think, some of it North Shore, then yeah, up in Poohhoy. So it was like lots of locations.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

I assumed it was also the C B D, or was it not?

SPEAKER_02 9:52

Oh yeah, C B D, yeah. Yeah, some of it definitely was in the city.

SPEAKER_01 9:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

Yeah. That was like a lot of the atmosphere was supposed to be like there's a joke that the whole music video is just e d uh like walking throughout all of Auckland. Yeah. They say she's still walking now. She's still walking out there.

SPEAKER_03 10:07

Because that's in the in the house as well. So it was like a house party scene. I thought that was that that was fun. That looked fun. It's funny because when you It looks fun, but when you go like throw the balloons, I'm like, I wonder how many tries that took him to do.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

One, that was just all natural, like it just kind of happened and they you can't. That like the slow mode so well.

SPEAKER_03 10:24

Because normally you'd be like, alright guys, free, two, no, no, no, it's time exposed.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

It was actually kind of the most authentic party in a way, because the second the balloons came out, everyone was just having fun. And like we didn't give anyone alcohol or anything, but it was like everyone became like little kids once the balloons were out and everyone was just like yapping and like throwing balloons everywhere. So then when we were like, yeah, doing the kind of mock performance, I guess, to match uh in the music video, like everyone was just so into it and having so much fun, and that's kind of I feel like we did actually capture that, like just an authentic fun energy without being like I think at first we were like, okay, move around, move around. At first it was so awkward, but then once everyone was into it, they just kind of did their thing, yeah, and we just captured it.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

So that was it's really hard, but especially people who haven't been on camera before or the video, and you're like, and action, everyone's like, What? Yeah, and someone just freezes.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Yeah, it's also awkward because it's like everyone party, and then like it takes like a while for people to get like warmed up into it, and they're like, Okay, now stop. And it's like, do it again, and they're like, Oh, we'll have to get like you have to like build back into it, and it just like was really difficult at the beginning because everyone was just kind of like, okay, go into this room, okay, arrange these things, we're just like talking, and now pretend like you're having the best time of your life, and it's just like oh yay!

SPEAKER_02 11:32

I was pretty happy with how quickly they uh did get into it. Yeah, and like like one of our friends even started like a mini mosh.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah, that that solved everything.

SPEAKER_02 11:41

That was like once that happened, and then the balloons are everywhere. And what was cool is uh last night at the actual show, everyone started doing that with the balloons. They started throwing them out. Like that wasn't actually planned. We just had the balloons around in the venue, and they actually ended up being so scattered out that I think it like I didn't think it was gonna work at all. But it looked like there was a lot of balloons, like it Yeah, it looked like like everyone got all the balloons into the center last night and was recreating the music video to the song while we had it projected on the wall. So it was just like it was really trippy watching it from the stage while performing.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

Like actually performing? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah, that's that's um to to have that extra part of just adding like the balloons and the prop. It really does those little things make such a big difference for people to want to get involved more with with the show, rather than just yeah, just standing there and just being a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

I think Aiden's energy also really helps with that.

SPEAKER_03 12:31

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I said last time Aiden was on was the big thing that stood out for you guys was like Aiden's energy and like the f the th the theatrical parts of the band. And you guys have really doubled down on that since I last saw you, which I think's great because again, like no one's really in Auckland in New Zealand, I don't really see many bands doing it.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

We we try and make it really interactive at the same time. I think that's also the difference. I think if we were just like theatrically performing at people, it wouldn't work as well. Like some people would be into it, but we always like they are really included. Yeah, like with the Jaffa release show, everyone had a Jaffa sign, so it was like you're waving signs around. There's been times where we've like played Don't Shank me and I haven't even asked the audience to do this, but they'll just like pretend stabbing me like while I'm singing, and you've got a whole crowd of people just doing that, yeah. And it's really cool because they're coming up with their own things, yeah. So it's like the audience is now creatively finding ways to respond to what we're doing, and because we do use the props and you know the different visuals, it kind of helps them really get into it. But it's always like it's like call and response, like it's it's never one-sided, and that's what's really cool to see.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

I feel like Siren as well. It's gonna like a new tradition of being like waaah at the end of it.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Yeah, yeah. I always have to end up like lying down on the floor, shaking my head, and everyone just goes woo all around me. And it's yeah, yeah. But it's quite it ends up being like almost a spiritual experience when we play that song.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

I mean it must be for you, because you're like fully in that.

SPEAKER_02 13:55

But yeah, I am just that's the song that I've been doing.

SPEAKER_01 13:57

I'm just watching it is so beautiful, really.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yeah, because Ollie was like a fan first. Yeah, and that was saying before that, following a band for a while.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

So that that also must be crazy, like having watched it and then being a part of it as well.

SPEAKER_01 14:09

Yeah. It's really, it's really surreal.

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Even like while performing, like last night, while playing Siren, I genuinely got so immersed in the moment that I forgot that I was on stage and supposed to be playing the bass. I was like, oh right, I'm in a bass. I'm I'm actually performing this. I'm not gonna be able to. There's people watching. I'm not just watching this happen right now, I'm actually a part of this.

SPEAKER_03 14:30

You guys do a good job of like it doesn't seem like the show is rushed at all. Because I remember when I like played a music and that sometimes, oh, there's this song, and then like do the song, oh, and the next song. And you sometimes for me, like to take in, especially like if you like it's your release show, right? You kind of want to take it in, have people interacting, like be a part of it as much as you can.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:49

Um, when I was in a band, I just remember that was I found that quite hard. Like to try and like take time a bit to spend time with the audience, spend time with like each other on stage. I felt like you guys like really get along as a unit, like you guys are pretty tight, which is cool. Um, or maybe just lying. No, no, we hate each other. No, no, no. Nah, we are tight.

SPEAKER_01 15:10

We're like a family. We're like a famous family.

SPEAKER_03 15:11

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SPEAKER_02 16:11

It was technically early this year, but uh it started when we just uh recorded Don't Shank Me and then we just had such a Well, I guess the team also had such a good experience working with us that um it just kind of suddenly happened and I was like, oh okay Um But it's but it's been awesome, yeah, working with the team and they've been a huge part, especially in the like the music videos, um getting all that together and and yeah, and recording at the Chapel Studio is really cool. So that's with uh Don't Shank Me and Smile were recorded there, and it's got a the tracks have a very warm feeling to them now. Um and it's cool. We we're getting this sound where it's like it's a little bit of eighties going on almost.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Yeah, I wanted to talk to you about that.

SPEAKER_02 16:53

Yeah, a little bit of eighties vibes, um, but it's also sounding like modern indie music at the same time.

SPEAKER_03 17:00

Um with this, I mean the last time I saw like it was again, it's like over a year ago, probably at cassette, and I remember it was a bit punkier.

SPEAKER_02 17:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:08

And then now it's like it feels like kind of new wavy, like almost like 80s, but then it's still got a bit of that grit in there. You gotta always keep a little bit of grit. A little bit of grit, you know, but less grit. Yeah. And I was gonna say, like, you guys, especially when I look at when I look at the band, I'm like, kind of looks like uh a modern day version of um oh my word, I can't believe that band is completely uh The Cure. Jeez Louise, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

So especially smile very much is like the cure energy. And people even found it with Don't Shank Me, and I think I wanted to embrace it more with Smile. Um Yeah, it that they are definitely an influence. Um I don't intentionally try and write like the I don't think I write songs like The Cure, but I think it kind of us as a band, it kind of sometimes goes that way. Um having a key player having a keyboard player as the keys in the dreamy like pads. James has slowly got more and more atmospheric. I I swear, like he's just gonna like float off into the distance at one point. Yeah, I'm just like, man, have like the dream. So just about the vibes. Yeah. He sends me all these voice messages. I'll be like at work or something. Yeah. And I'll just get all these like minute-long voice messages where it'll just be him holding out like two chords on a sense. I'll be like, what do you think of this? But like it's awesome because it is so um like soundscapy now. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 18:27

Yeah, no, I I I really like it. But yeah, I think you can get maybe get too lost in a day, suddenly it's just like oh, just have a oh yeah, we'll just make an ambient album. It can be just Jaden's like orchestra, you know, just loop all of it. Everyone are you guys gonna get a drink or something?

SPEAKER_01 18:40

Actually, that would be kind of smart.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

It's like uh like yeah, like if if there's maybe a year where we just want to make a chill album, we just make ambient music. Yeah, yeah, that would be cool. That also that also really works. It's it's funny with you saying that we used to be like punkier, I think, when you first saw us, because we kind of had to for a bit because a lot of the first gigs that we were getting, it was like ding dong lounge, but they kept putting us up against like metal bands. So like we were sharing the night with like fully like heavy metal bands or like really, really punky bands. And then it's like so we used to like take songs like don't shank me, it used to just be so punk, it was just like don't shank me, don't shank me, you know. You and I felt that for some of the songs it actually took away from like you know what we could reach because I think when we're melodic, it's also like really beautiful. So it is cool to but I think we learnt a lot from playing with punk bands and middle bands because it was like here's some great energy and some grit that we can like keep for later on, but then let's also incorporate like the atmosphere and the soundscapes and the dreaminess.

SPEAKER_03 19:41

Yeah, because like I think the first oh I saw I saw Don't Shank Me was more intense. Yeah. But then with the version I saw last night, I'm like, oh, you guys have found your spot with it, which I thought was cool. Like five five packs. It's become a lot more theatrical as well. And A man Yeah, and like a little bit, uh a little bit, it's not it doesn't lose the grit, but it's it like it's it's it's smoother. I know how to put it, smoother, rather than just like it's not this isn't a punk song anymore. Yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, don't shank me, don't shake me. But then it's like not like wow, you know. But then um you do some screams as well. You guys can do a lot of stuff, man. It's impressive. You guys have a lot of things you can do, so uh that's exciting. I'm excited to buy bands that that showcase a lot of things. Like I literally can't tell people what our future will look like exactly. That's why I just call you guys a rock band because rock is a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah, there's so many different parts of hate when people ask us what do you sound like or what's what's your genre? And and it's always funny because we always give a different answer every single time. Yeah, and like the three of us will have completely different answers, and we'll be like, uh and I love it because everyone else we meet has a completely different thing, that they'll be like, Oh, you sound like this or that, and it'll be like just I don't know, such wild differences of the things that are said.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

True, true. Yeah, I mean, if I was at a band like you, I just go, Oh, we're just like a rock band and then insert like the cure and X tube extra bands and be like, that's what we're like. And people be like, Oh, okay. Because the cure's a rock band, yeah. But like people depends, like as what like what defines a rock band to you, right? It's like is it AC DC? Is that the rock band? Or is it like uh Yeah, because there's also a lot of people think rock bands is different, it's like Nirvana, it's like is that rock? Is that grunge? It's all never the same thing, and we're just a band. I normally use alternative for us.

SPEAKER_02 21:25

Alternative, that's kind of alternative rock band. Alternative rock band. But yeah, we're just a band. Just a band. We're a band.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

And we play the music.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Yeah. Organised. You play music. We do. Do we play music though?

SPEAKER_01 21:38

I feel like I genuinely feel that. Yeah. Like when I watched you guys like for the like first time or like properly, I was just like, this doesn't even feel like I'm watching like you know, like a gig. It feels like I'm watching like a the a a piece of art. Like it feels like a play kind of that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

That's the first that's the thing is the first thing I told you is I feel like I'm watching a theater performance. Yeah, I don't feel like I'm watching a band.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

And that's kind of more what we're going for. Um, especially like the s it's really also about like the songs just kind of speaking for themselves. And it's funny because like people say that, and I guess we are like a tight band, you know, and like we're playing well, but it's always funny because I never see myself as a musician. Right. I'm always just like I'm just giving a performance. Um I'm some guy that's just like you know written lyrics and stolen a guitar and can play some chords. That's kind of that's that's it though. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

That's like magic, that's like magic in a bottle, you know?

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Yeah, yeah, I just feel like a conduit for your brain. It's it's it's kind of beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:35

No, that that that that's yeah, that's really sweet. Um, but yeah, like again, like the different musical styles, like Jaffa to like dreamer and then smile, like yeah, like all that different dreamer are these like different personalities?

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Somewhat. Yeah, different observations, different personalities. Um moments of life, I guess. Yeah. Writing these songs at very different times. Um Yeah. Because I I'd say they're all most of them are me, unless I'm singing about like a character that's outside of myself. Like with Yenna, yeah, some of the lines are more outside of myself. It's like a caricature of New Zealanders. Yeah. But I don't know, most of the songs it'll be like some kind of an aspect of myself, or at least something I've like witnessed, you know, or observed.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Yeah. Because I I that's kind of what I what I think of like songs as times is like uh they're like different um personalities of oneself, or like I I think for you guys especially, because like there's so many different messages. Some of it's and it's very local, some of it. Like I really like that as well. Like it's very endearing as like a kiwi, like the year nah, you know, Jaffa. I I I I enjoy that, but I think also like again, like showcases New Zealand to other people, and it's like, what is it actually like? You know, like rather than um, yeah, but I I think yeah, it has more potential to to even showcase to overseas audiences, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Because the sound carries. It definitely, yeah, because I feel like we have a lot of sounds that are inspired from like places from all over the world. But um, yeah, like with New Zealand, I I want it to be it's it's always very authentic. This was kind of funny because like theatrical and authentic, don't you wouldn't always put the two together, like if it's like very performative, but it is it's always very raw and authentic, but then we match that with like the theatricality, yeah. And that's I that's what I normally say. Like when people are like, What do you sound like? I'm like, uh, we are theatricality and authenticity. Capricorn.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

What are we gonna go go to? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:36

Or the unhinged band of Auckland. There's been a few people that have have said that. Or just like unhinged bands. Yeah, or like, yo, you guys are like the crazy band of Auckland.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

I feel like it's your hair that's doing most of the things. Yeah, it's actually just my hair.

SPEAKER_03 24:46

I think your hairy just carries the crazy band. My hair nice people. It's not like, oh, it's crazy that they're out there like actually stabbing people on the street. Like, don't shank me is actually that. No, it's just my hair doing that. Yeah. Stabbing people. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

Yeah, it's also just like razor blades in there. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 25:02

Yeah. Because I can't I think you did tell me what was the inspiration for that song?

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Genuinely almost got shanked.

SPEAKER_03 25:07

Almost got stabbed.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

Yeah, I mean, it was like stuff happening around me um at surprisingly hibiscus coast bus station, which is like a place you wouldn't expect it to be so bad. Right. But it was um it was happening to like a lot of teenagers in the area, and it was like older teenagers ganging up on younger teenagers. But the reason why it was so crazy to me is then I talked to some of the younger teenagers because they I saw these kids and they looked super freaked out on the bus. I'm like, You guys alright? And they're like, Oh yeah, this is those guys chasing us again. And I'm like, oh man, like that that sounds really bad. And they're like, Oh, it's okay, we bring knives now too. So there's like the now the like 12-year-olds all have their own knives, and I was like, that's wild that this is just happening at the bus station. And what's funny is to try and solve this, one of the things that they've done is they play classical music now at that bus station. Try and calm people.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

I wonder if that works. Like, surely there have been studies done to see if it actually reduces crime rates and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 25:58

The only place uh not never a bus station, but um, I know in like the in some bathrooms they'll play classical music. And then I don't know if that helps with uh you know going to the bathroom, but yeah, it helps you do your business. Yeah, I don't know if that helps. I I do wonder if it gets it will come maybe at a bus stop though. But yeah, things are you know things are a bit tough in Auckland right now. New Zealand's not in a great spot, so there's a lot of more crazy people come out of the woodworks, which is a bit sad.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

It and it is sort of it is sad, like um with with our songs, like it's not even just like, oh my gosh, these people doing these things. It's particularly like with Jaffa, it's like no, this is what's happening and it's happening all around us. And it's not even like in a judgmental way, you know? It's not like no, it's like we're just living and breathing it.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

This is just us here, this is where we're from. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I I get that. It doesn't come across like that. When I watch it, I'm like, oh no, these guys are from Auckland. Yeah, they aren't like, you know, it's it's like yeah, you're part of it. Yeah. So it's um no, you guys do well with it. And I think um so what's the what's the future plans? What we got, got more releases next year? I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to give away.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

But we are recording more.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Cut all of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

But no, we are we're working on a lot more stuff. We are recording more music and big things coming. I expect like more releases next year for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:24

Well, do you have any like aspirational goals?

SPEAKER_02 27:28

I'm gonna play like more out of Auckland. Like we we had this gig in New Plymouth and it was the most magical experience ever.

SPEAKER_01 27:36

Like most bizarre crowd ever, but in the best way. Like just so deeply passionate about music and just like the scene and stuff. It was it was really cool.

SPEAKER_03 27:44

SFS don't get too many bands, I guess. So when a band comes like that's great.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Some like real, real characters as well. Oh, I bet.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

But it like it matched our energy. Yeah, it was so it was really cool. Actually, yeah, because now I'm gonna give an updated, well, I'll I want an updated answer to my question I said last time, like the strangest gig experience. Because last time you told me about a gig you played, was that at a wedding? Oh, it was the punch-up wedding. Yeah, the punch up wedding. I even told you about it.

SPEAKER_00 28:07

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 28:08

Yeah, that was on the last time podcast. Check out the older episode. But um, what about a new experience?

SPEAKER_01 28:15

I feel like it's too I the one I'm thinking of. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

What about for Ollie? What about for you?

SPEAKER_01 28:19

The weirdest thing, oh I mean, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 28:22

Is it too is it too is it someone's too spicy?

SPEAKER_01 28:26

It's too it's too spicy.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Can you can you hide it?

SPEAKER_03 28:28

Can you like word your way around it? You don't need to say the person's name, but if you say the person's name, does that give away?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

I think the story is too crazy.

SPEAKER_03 28:36

Nah, do it. We can review it later.

SPEAKER_01 28:38

Well, I was just I was just thinking about the the the guy at Newport we're talking to Jarek and James. Because that is Oh yeah, no, this is great. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Okay, yeah, you can tell the story. Yeah. Tell the story. Because I I forgot exactly.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

You forgot it.

SPEAKER_02 28:50

Well, I forgot the specifics.

SPEAKER_01 28:52

It was just such a wild, I mean, I wasn't really part of the conversation, so I can't really, you know. It's not really my experience, but it was an experience that I heard of in relation to the band. But this guy was just like outside um the venue. Asgard. Really good venue. Check it out. No. Everyone go to Newplemeth, go to Asgard.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

It is, it's a goated venue.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

It's like bought by the bands themselves, like they own it because all of their other places like shut down because of COVID and stuff. So they just had nowhere to play music.

SPEAKER_03 29:21

And it was just like, yeah, that COVID hangover is brutal.

SPEAKER_01 29:24

Yeah, it's just like you kind of forget about it, but it's still affecting like everything.

SPEAKER_03 29:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, continue your story.

SPEAKER_01 29:29

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so they're like chatting with this guy outside. Um, and I think they're just like smoking weed or something, you know, just chilling. Um, and he just like starts talking about like imagining the band having an orgy and being like what roles the different people in the band would play, and like going into depth about it, and like talking about like James wouldn't tell us what the dynamics would be. But he said that the only the only detail he gave us, so James, if you're tell us please, uh, what are our roles in this orgy? Um but James was like the the guy was like, and James, you would be just like standing in the corner watching. And I'm like, honestly, yeah. He's just the keyboard.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah, James, you're the guy who's watching. You're the guy's watching. The cuck. James is the cuck.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

Josh Cuck.

unknown 30:23

Josh Josh.

SPEAKER_03 30:25

Um that is out.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

Actually, that is that's pretty out there. It must have been crazy for James. But that is actually so weird. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

And then he was and then he just started like repeating himself apparently, like over and over again, being like, wait, who are you guys? Like, what's happening? And like, oh the shrooms hit. And it's just like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Wow. Magical orgy. Um yeah. Do you get that's actually it got me thinking about something not an orgy, but it got me thinking about as a band because you guys, with the songs you write, that some of them are quite personal. Yeah. You kind of talk about things people can connect with. Because people feel like they can uh not on the orgy. No, we're thinking of a specific song. Yeah, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Some of my sexy tunes. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

Has Cap recorded in the background of an orgy? Do you know? Maybe, maybe not. Who would have thought your music could be used for that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

That's actually a good point. Like that could be.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Yeah, I think maybe. Like some of the songs. Maybe nothing that's been recorded yet. Not recorded. No, smile could make but smile's kind of wholesome.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

You know? But we've got ones that you're like Mars and Venus isn't. Mars and Venus, let's be real. That's the one.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Yeah, it was That's great. What I was actually gonna ask though was um was well, do you because do you find a lot of people come up to you guys saying not just that your song's connected, but they want to tell you their life story? Yeah. That's that's a that's a very interesting thing that happens with being a musician, right? Because people feel very connected to the music and they feel and as a byproduct feel connected to you. So then immediately they're like, oh my god, love the band. I had this thing happen, and then suddenly you're locked in, and it's like almost like a therapy session for that person. Which is kind of kind of wild, right? But do you guys have any of it? I I imagine you guys have a fair few of those experiences.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

For for Jaffa, a lot of people just like, man, that is just so realistic, and that's you know, that's my life. Um particularly, I found it often I'll be like the most macho looking buff dude, and he'll be in the back, like you know, kind of like headbanging and shit. And he'll normally this kind of person will come up to me at the end and I'll be like, Oh, did you enjoy it? And they'll like give me a massive hug, and they'll be like, bro, you know, it was just so so real, like it really emotionally impacted me. And I'll often be really surprised, and you know, they'll look like they're crying nearly, and it's like, yeah, particularly. I think there's the line in Jaffer, I'm like, domestic violence, just can't get away from it. And I'll always look, and there'll always be some people in the audience just be like, Oh, what's cool about our songs is people really listen to like every word I say. Yeah, so like I watch like the reactions to the lines are great, like particularly Siren, where I'm like, She looked like Madonna, and then I'm like before the plastic surgery, and the amount of people that just like laugh, it's like it's so cool that they're really listening in. But yeah, I do have people um come up to me and really yeah, kind of tell their story, or just like you can see that they've had a really emotional response. I've had some people, yeah, like crying. I've had some people who have said like that's yeah, they they relate to it so heavily that they're like, that's my life. And it always feels a little bit weird because it's like, well, it's just my little baby song, you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

It's it's interesting, right? It's almost like you kind of become like a like a it's like that that cheesy way, like voice for the voiceless kind of thing. But people don't realise because I I mean I've had that with bands. I listen to I go to concerts, and then you hear the the lyric and a recording and you watch it live and you're just like, Yeah, I might cry. Yeah, just like shit. But it's it's crazy how music can have that impact on us, and that for it like turn people who will never open up normally or talk about things, and then suddenly a song they'll be like, ah, and then they'll just it'll just come out.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

And I think like with with Capricorn, because we're some people actually think we are a joke band who haven't like properly listened to us or seen us, like they think we're just fully a joke band, but then it's kind of there's there's humour to it, but that's just to really open up, and then I can hit you with all the really emotional stuff, yeah. Um I've always like taken inspiration from people like Taika Waititi and like how he makes his films and how it'll be like you know, like a film like Boy or something. It seems like it's a comedy, and then it hits you so hard with the emotional depth, and that's kind of Capricor. It's like look at these guys on stage, especially like we're walking up on stage, we look pretty crazy, we're kind of silly at first, and then suddenly it'll just be like the emotional chorus, and then everyone, it's like whoa, because you kind of you know, with comedy, people open up a little bit more, they feel like it's okay to have a laugh, but then it's like it's the laugh, and then it's like because now they feel safe and they're saying them on something very real, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Yeah, yeah, that's that's so fascinating. Because that's how it's with comedians as well, like people really open up to comedians. Um one of the guys I I I I follow a little bit, Andrew Schultz, he had a bit where he was talking about how he couldn't get his wife pregnant or something, and and the reason why was because of him. Um, and then a lot of and like I won't tell the whole story, but basically it's just like, yeah, like his sperm doesn't work. Yeah, yeah. And then but then and then um always guys came up to him afterwards and like balling their eyes out because they're like all have the same problem. And it's just like, yeah, like comedian, right? And then just opens people up like that to talk about things they'd not normally talk about. So it's crazy how like art can do that with him. I think maybe people forget, I think art oh, this is a good question for good musicians. Has art been commoditized too much?

SPEAKER_01 35:42

I think in some areas it has been. I mean, obviously you get people who are like industry plants and stuff like that. I feel like that doesn't really happen in New Zealand because it's not really like a it's not so much just about it could be with anything, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:57

But I suppose like all the streaming platforms, you know, with even like with you know Netflix and all the film ones, and then you've and then uh I'm just just art in general. Doesn't it could be film, could be TV, could be, you know, even uh graphic design. Obviously, there's AI and stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

There's oversaturation going on. Go on voice crack. My voice is still funny from last night. It's funny. By the end of the night, I was like, uh. Anyways, going back to your question, yeah, I I think so. I think there's oversaturation. I think there is amazing art happening, but it's not necessarily in the spotlight. Yeah. Um and I think, yeah, stuff that I don't know, it's all there's very much instant gratification going on. So it has to like immediately catch your attention, and it's not even necessarily good, just if it's you know, it just hooks you for like it just it just hooks you for like five, ten seconds or something.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:45

And that's not to say that like that's everything. There's some really cool art coming out and music coming out, and some of it is greatly appreciated. But there's also just yeah, there's a there's a lot of uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

I feel like AI is adding to that huge degree.

SPEAKER_03 37:01

Like even like there's like AI songs that are like popularity, like it's something that we really as like a as humans, we really need to navigate this because it's it's very easy for it to get out of hand.

SPEAKER_01 37:11

Yeah, I feel like it works.

SPEAKER_03 37:12

But then but then I went to like some like business talk thing they're talking about, because in like the uh business world, especially if it comes to like um marketing, like content and things like that, like it really like screws it up. Because obviously you spend a lot people spend a lot of money on websites, design, things like that, and then you know if you use AI, a lot of that just goes out the window. But then everyone's got the same slop, they call it AI slop, which I quite like. It's quite a good term for it.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

That's kind of the word I was trying to say.

SPEAKER_03 37:35

There's a lot of slop.

SPEAKER_02 37:36

There's a lot of yeah, that like.

SPEAKER_03 37:38

Have you guys seen Sora? Have you got the uh the AI video platform, Sora 2? Oh that's wild. Maybe you might have seen some AI videos of like W the Queen and I don't know if there's some crazy videos of like WWE, but it's like the Queen versus like Princess Diana or something crazy. Yeah, yeah. Because some of those look crazy realistic now. And uh that's like the part now where it's like, um, are we gonna be able to tell the difference?

SPEAKER_02 38:04

Well, and it's scary with it when it's related to information and news, and then it's like and then we're slowly getting to the whole like history as bunk kind of thing, because it's like you can't tell what's real or not. And that's why I kind of love books still sometimes. Like I love reading a good book.

SPEAKER_03 38:17

Yeah, sometimes you you need a good 200 pages to explain like what was a headline or something, you know? That's a big problem with news for a long time for me, is like writing headlines for headline's sake, not really for like telling the story. That's been a problem in media for a long time, calling out all of most new NZ media because it's fucking like.

SPEAKER_02 38:35

This kind of relates actually this topic. So the the thing that kind of happened with us are you the the um Google. So we made this jokey video where we were just kind of like yapping to each other, and we make a joke, we see these horses in the distance, and I say that they're like supplying us with ketamine, and we're just like because it's horses, and then you're like, Oh, don't expose us, don't expose our dealers, and they're like, Oh yeah, yeah, our horse dealers. So it's just a stupid joke. Of course. We post it up, and then Google, when you look up Capricor, I'm not sure if this is still the case, but one of the first things that comes up, and it made a headline for this, and it was Capricor Expose Horse Dealers, A Sordid Truth.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

It made up its own headline for AI that scanned it and like read the captions or something.

SPEAKER_02 39:20

So we are exposing the horse dealers now. That's what Capricorn's actually famous for. Like that was the first thing that came up before even like we were a band for a little while. That's so bizarre.

SPEAKER_00 39:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

Yeah, like the Googled like Gemini's making his own headlines about the just about some random shit you said.

SPEAKER_00 39:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:36

So strange.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

It just inserts itself everywhere. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:39

Because I wonder, I've talked about this on the podcast a few times, but I want to get you guys' opinion on it. Is um have you guys ever heard of the theory of the humanless internet?

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Yeah, basically it's just like all bots.

SPEAKER_03 39:48

Yeah, do you reckon we're heading there? What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 39:51

I feel like it was kind of a tactic of filling up spaces so that at least seemed more populated. I mean, obviously that's like the beginning of it. Um yeah, I mean, even if you just Google like dogs and cats and like basic things now, it's majority AI images. Like it's kind of hard to find anything that is real and authentic. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's just like, you know, bots and like comments and stuff. Like all of them just.

SPEAKER_03 40:17

I mean, things are bot comments, right? Bot accounts and stuff. People who leave a lot of like crazy, wild, hateful stuff and just bot accounts for the most part. But I do wonder though, if because we're getting to that point now where it's like getting so out of control. It's like what percent is where it's no one believes it, so then everyone leaves it. I didn't mean for that to run. That's kind of cool. No one believes it, everyone leaves it. Um, but that's a good lyric, take it.

SPEAKER_02 40:39

The next Capricor song.

SPEAKER_03 40:40

Yeah, shout me out. Um, but anyway, I'm just thinking, like, I do wonder. I d I just wonder, because I I with like the even younger, like gen alphas, I suppose, who are like teenagers, because a lot of them are now, I think they're quite against social media. Some of them are, I think.

SPEAKER_01 40:55

They're either really, really in it.

SPEAKER_03 40:56

It's even more really two in it or really out of it.

SPEAKER_02 40:59

And that's what I'm seeing with lots of people, even like a lot of people our age even. It's uh so there might be a movement against it. I know in the art world there most certainly will be.

SPEAKER_03 41:08

People leaving Spotify, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:10

Because the Israel thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 41:12

Yeah, well, that's also just like I think what was the big headline? He was he was like funding like military paramilitary companies.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

But there is the whole AI element to it too. Um and yeah, and the way that they're running things with AI music and also it's there's it's layers. There's layers to it of why people are boycotting. But that is an instance where it shows you like like boycotts can simply happen and always have, but there also might just be more of a return to more live music um or even like yeah, physical media.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Well that's what's happening now is a lot of um I think even is it museums that were doing it? I can't remember what place was doing it in Europe, and they like force you to put your phone away as you go as you enter like the museum or some complex that's like locked away. And I think even like some social uh gatherings, I again can't remember what they were, but like they force you to put your phone away. And I think that's gonna happen more and more and more. Yeah, yeah. Which is like very interesting. I mean it's good, but it's just like weird how we have to these are like these are so addicting that we have to force interaction.

SPEAKER_01 42:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:14

That that was one cool thing about last night, actually, is um people were so into it, there were only like a few people I saw that were filming. Yeah. And like even yeah, and a lot of people actually said, Oh, I didn't really get to film anything because I was too busy dancing or throwing a balloon around. So that's that's really cool to see. Because I love it's also all about being in the moment and like experiencing, yeah, you know?

SPEAKER_03 42:35

That's what life's all about. Well, I think it's with music, right? It's like you could you see even like um I think especially at like pop music shows, right? If you go like see what's that really big Festival of Mistakes called, Coachella, and you see like some of the big artists play, and it's just uh ocean of phones, and it's like, are you gonna watch it? No, it was just is this just for the gram? Or like what is this for, you know? I always like taking a short video, being like, Oh, I've got to see this cool band, it was a lot of fun, and like, oh, I'll check them out, or yeah, like little videos, I like it. But not like the entire video. Yeah, like I think we're seeing less of that now. I I feel like do you feel like there's a lot of it still?

SPEAKER_01 43:11

I mean, yeah, definitely. I mean, you said like there's literally waves of phones being.

SPEAKER_03 43:15

Yeah, but you reckon they're doing that for the whole like one hour and a half holding it up.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Even at a like at big events, I feel like in the events, nah.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah, it also depends on the artist, I suppose. Like those who are really there to hear the music. Because I'm I'm talking about like pop, right? Top ten, but I'm not talking about alternative underground. I think it's more pop where. When you saw Charlie XCX at Laneway, it was so many people. Phones, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

And they had it up there the whole time, like for 45 minutes, one hour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:45

It is getting strong arms.

SPEAKER_03 43:48

Yeah, that's a lot of determination just to hold it, because I can't be bothered doing that shit. Wild. But it's like it's interesting because the quality on the phones are like these days not not too bad. But again, it's like are you gonna sit? And watch that show again. Yeah. It's very odd. I've never really understood that. Because I I don't want to watch a show on someone's phone for 45 minutes. No. Maybe like a minute. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

Like seeing a cool little clip or something.

SPEAKER_02 44:14

And it might spark the memory, like if you just have the little clip. Yeah. But you don't want the whole thing. I don't get it. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_03 44:20

No, I don't really get it. Because then you because when I watch live performances, I want like the proper crew. Like, you know, three camera, four camera guys, like, you know, audio taken from the desk.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Audio is the worst part of it.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Audio is the worst.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

But the camera quality can be pretty good, but the auto is always like fucked up.

SPEAKER_03 44:35

Yeah, especially if it's a band. Yeah. It's just all bass.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

It's just not designed. It's just like you can hear the shaking of like the actual like device.

SPEAKER_03 44:42

When you get someone like screaming next to them or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

Oh yeah, and if they're singing along to it or whatever, you can only hear that it's just really bad. I don't know why people do it.

SPEAKER_03 44:49

Yeah, I d I I don't really understand it either. But it's popular. I yeah, I don't know. People it's like to prove to other people. I don't know what it I think.

SPEAKER_01 44:57

It's like a performant thing.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Yeah, I'm not really sure. Or is it like show off your new iPhone? Like, I don't know. Is that a good thing?

SPEAKER_02 45:02

People just really enjoy like sharing every single little thing that happens to them in their life. So something like a concert is a big, exciting thing. Because people don't always go to concerts and then it's like as big as a I need to share that I've been here and I've done this and I've done that. I mean, there's a lot of people like you know getting into even things like reading, like they get into reading just to talk about the books online to be able to and I get it because for some people that might just be the main way that they're getting to like talk to people about different things or like show what they're doing. But it it is it's really nice to do it in person as well. Just saying.

SPEAKER_01 45:34

I think it's because a little bit of both.

SPEAKER_02 45:36

I don't know, balance, you know.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

Now we have the abil like every single person is technically an influencer. Correct. You could be. Like no matter what, if you have a phone, you could be an influencer. That that's like the baseline of what you need to do that. And if you have an Instagram, which basically everyone does, or any form of social media, you technically have like a social media presence and like you kind of are like commodifying yourself.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

A personal brand. Everyone's a personal brand to a point.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

Yeah, so you have this like image that you need to uphold or like show off to people. Yeah, it's done that to every single person, and that's just like no, very true.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

I've been thinking about that a lot recently because for me, I've I started a business last year and I've been focusing a bit on like the personal brand because you kind of have to, but obviously, I'm using it to like try and create opportunities for myself and like purposely like leveraging it. But then I'm like, there's obviously people who will do that, and you guys are in a band, so you guys will be doing a version of that yourself as well, which is cool because I oh you know, I'm Aiden and I'm the singer of Capricor, and this is my band, like doing all this cool stuff, and here's a bit about me on your Instagram or socials, right? But then you get people who like it's just showcasing like their life, and that's like that's their personal brand, and it's like oh, their lifestyle is the brand that they're selling, which I get, but I don't know, I just feel like that kind of crosses the line of it. Must be sometimes sometimes it's almost like the trend.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

I get if like you want to do that and you want to share your life with the word, but it's like it's yeah, everyone has to do it on a micro level. Well, not has to, but a lot of people are doing it, yeah. And it's expected of a lot of young people as well to do that and to uphold that image. So yeah, it's a lot of pressure on young people.

SPEAKER_03 47:03

And it's like, yeah, that's like where my fear is. Yes. It's like people get lost in their metrics and stuff. Because obviously, like you guys are a band, so you know you have to think about some of you have to think about those things sometimes.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

You know, and obviously you get to be it's an artistic statement at least. But even when we're being silly, the way we film things and the way we decide to do things, it's like, okay, here's uh this expression of who we are in this way, so it still feels like slightly different instead of just like a mass proposal. We like to show a bit of our personality, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

But no, of course. I I guess I'm thinking about it more like if you're just a a normal person trying to showcase like I feel like I have to show my life. Yeah. In order to have friends or be extract. And that's totally it. Which is really sad. Uh I I find that kind of like creepy.

SPEAKER_02 47:49

Forces all of society to just really live in the ego right now. And that's all that a human is right now. Yeah. It's like we are in the ego world. Eh? That's where well, that's where we're sitting right now, you know? And it's like, I don't know, it is very much I am this brand. This is the brand of me, and this is what I like, this is what I don't like, and it's there's no like fluidity with things.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

It's so it's like definitely constructed by like the capitalistic like consumerism thing where it's like we are becoming a product and now we are selling ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 48:19

The human is the product, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

Yeah, it's so bizarre how it's like tricked our idea of identity to actually commodify ourselves. Like we got commodified, and it's just such a normal aspect of like life now that we're kind of just intuitively doing it ourselves, just so disgusting to me.

SPEAKER_03 48:38

It is really strange though. Like, I I remember like the first time I remember I saw the whole idea with um stories, which came from Snapchat. Snapchat was the first platform that released stories. I remember I'd see people, I'll never forget. I think Snapchat came out when I was like, I think I just finished school, and I remember people were posting on stories, and I'm like, What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, I don't care. Yeah, I don't need to see that crap. And then slowly but surely it snuck into like every social platform and everyone started doing like stories. And then when I was in a band, I think I was just stopped doing it around the time when it was like you gotta be posting like three, four times a week. Yeah, you'd only post like your gig, your song, maybe something like a little vlog every now and again if you're in the studio. It was pretty like minimal shit. Yeah, and then suddenly it was like, no, everybody wants to know everything about you, and it's like whoa. And then it was like, yeah, everyone is now content creator, a personal brand, and it's like now, like if you're a band, it's like even if you release songs. Like I had a chat with um the boys from um Crywolf on here, and like they did a really good job of releasing their new band, but the amount of content they had to pump out is just like wild.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

You are majority content creators, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

It's like you're a content creator, then a musician. I've talked this on a lot, but content creator, then musicians.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Yes, that's why like we make ourselves have some fun with it. That's why we like make such oddball stuff, or like even with the interviews, like this.

SPEAKER_03 49:55

I was gonna say, I I love the like random interview interviews of people.

SPEAKER_02 50:01

It's like because we had a little phase, our little TikTok phase for a little while, and it was kind of embarrassing, but we were just it was like that was what we were told to do by people, so we tried it out. Felt awful. It was literally soul draining. Not making TikToks, but trying to follow trends, and you know, it was like selling yourself, really. Um now it's like every piece of content we do, it has to reflect what we are as a band and what we feel like doing, and we have to make it fun and enjoyable, or we're just not gonna do it. Like, and it'll be it'll feel wrong. Like, let's say I think there was we had this video on TikTok and it got like thousands and thousands of views, and then I was like, Well, it did nothing for us. It's just a like it wasn't. I don't think what the views mean, right?

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Is that is is that is that actually like good engagement? Is that the engagement you want?

SPEAKER_02 50:46

It's like yeah, the numbers it doesn't have as much meaning anymore, especially with the oversaturation of everything. So really you gotta be doing the art for the art, you know.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

And and that's why I like I think that's another thing that's changing at the moment, though, is like people don't have much tolerance for like if it's just for views for views' sake. Yeah, it's not like that. And it is cool that people are like picking up on this stuff at least.

SPEAKER_02 51:07

I think so. Um and and I think that's something really cool about creativity, is it can help you put stuff out there, but without it being like this is the brand that is me, and this is what I like, and this is what I don't like. Like art forces you to go past that almost like in a spiritual sense. Like I don't want to sound too woo-woo right now, but yeah, but you're gonna be like going beyond that. Yeah, like it pushes you out of the ego and it becomes something else, and it's like you interacting with the world, absorbing it, and then like pushing it back out there. Yeah, and I don't know, I think that's a really healthy way to like force yourself out of all that stuff. So that's like that's one of the reasons why I make art.

SPEAKER_03 51:44

Yeah. No, like I yeah, no, I I I I agree with that. I I think it's really easy to get lost in it, and that's something even like like with the podcast and stuff, and I'm putting up stuff, and I'm just kind of like, oh, another clip, another post, another clip, and I'm just like, what am I doing with all this? Have to reassess at the end of the year, it kind of happens, you get real busy and stuff. You guys are probably really busy end of the year, it happens a lot. Everyone wants to get everything done before Christmas and stuff. Yeah, I was like, oh crap, and I'm like, oh man, I'm tired. And I'm just like, I need to maybe like have a little look at how things are being done because I've kind of done like a formula for a while and it's been fine, but I'm just sort of like, yeah, like needs a bit of like refresher, a bit more creativity, maybe have a look at it, you know. But um I think when it comes to yeah, again, the content game that we're all playing, which is weird, it's a weird game to play that we're all forced to play if you want to be in people's uh uh eyes, get eyes on what you're doing, right?

SPEAKER_01 52:35

Do you see podcasting as a form of art?

SPEAKER_03 52:38

No.

SPEAKER_01 52:39

Like like as a form of community, community like connection, like, yeah, community and connection for sure, but art.

SPEAKER_03 52:46

Well, the way I do it, not really. Yeah. I see my way as like, yeah, community. That's how I see it. Yeah. Um I'm sure there are people who do podcasts for art's sake. I don't really know what that I mean, maybe if it's showcasing art or doing something.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Like I've done a couple I don't like as a like a science, like a creation craft type thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:04

I I that's a good question. I like it. I don't think so. I don't know. I like there's creativity, like obviously there's creativity with doing this in a in a sense, but then it's um I think the part of like the post-production, you could say kind of. Like that's kind of like you know, artistic with how you uh tell the story of the podcast.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Yeah, it's kind of meaning like storytelling and clip things together.

SPEAKER_03 53:31

So in a sense, it it could be art. I guess in my artist in my brain it's not. I don't know. I've always looked at it as like a form of communication and a form of community and meeting people. Yeah. But yeah, I guess it could be. It could be.

SPEAKER_02 53:44

Well then you have to say, what is art? Yeah, we're really we're getting into the podcast. Classic podcast material. What is art? What is art? That's what happens if you have us on your show, man.

SPEAKER_03 53:56

I love it. This is where it goes. No, that's great. That's great. No, but that's true. It's a valid, it's a valid question. I guess I just haven't really viewed my podcast as like art as such. I just it's a it's been a really good one thing I used to be really bad at when I was playing in bands and doing stuff myself was putting myself out there. I was really bad at it. So the podcast kind of has helped like meet people and chat more and put myself out there more. It's helped me in a lot of different ways, which I didn't quite expect to be honest. Because I just started it kind of a bit of a joke for fun with a friend of mine who is not a part of it anymore. So that's why I called it. It was called the only Scots. Now it's the only Scott. It's just me.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Now it's only Scott. Now it's only Scott.

SPEAKER_03 54:32

Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So I kind of wasn't, I didn't really like think too much about it in the beginning. I was like, I'll have some fun with it. Let me see what it's like. I also wanted to see what it would be like um putting things up on socials regularly. And I was like, what if I put a bunch of like clips of like one podcast? Like, what's that gonna do? Is that gonna is that gonna really am I gonna get out there? Is it gonna do nothing? It did nothing. But I was which is fine, but I was like, it's interesting. Like people what what people expect from you as like a podcaster. Like I it's crazy. Like I have like even like with the gear and the microphones, I'm just like, wow, like the audio requirements that you know it's even like for you guys as a band, right? Like, there's a lot like, oh wow, like we're a band, we gotta if we're gonna be taken seriously, we gotta we've gotta have the right gear, we've gotta have the right things showcasing ourselves.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Music videos are quite a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Music videos are big investment, especially with our videos, like we do like to have it at a certain level. Like, yeah, right? But it's a certain level of professionalism, right? And it's like, oh, but then that's how we get taken seriously. It's a bit of it is a bit of both. And then now it's like I think the best thing is then when it becomes that just for yourself, to be like, you know what, I'm worth that. I want it to be this good, like for me to be.

SPEAKER_03 55:43

Wherever for someone else, it's like whatever. High high high um expectations of yourself, good and bad, which is always the problem with the artist or entrepreneur, is everyone's got super high expectations in the voice now. It's not good enough, it's not good enough. Yeah, it's a battle that uh I think we all have to face. Um yeah. Alright, guys, far. I think we're actually sound pretty good. Um I think we're nearing the end. Alright, we'll do some quick fire questions, and then I think we'll uh we'll we'll wrap it up. Uh first one is um what's your favorite record right now? That's out there.

SPEAKER_02 56:18

Like ever or like what do you just mean what I'm listening to at the moment? Oh let's go favorite um favorite album ever. Ever. Ever. Oh well I've got it tattooed on me. Uh Black Star David Bowie. Hey, David Bowie is my biggest influence. That's why there's a lot of that theatricality going on with Capricorn. I have I actually haven't listened to that album, so now I'm gonna listen to it. It's like very jazz. It's like dark, modern, but very jazzy. Very jazzy. Yeah. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 56:50

I'm maybe the worst music person ever. I just I I mean honestly, I get really cringe answers. I'm kind of tempted to say something that's no one that I've heard of, and therefore I can kind of get away with it. Uh Landmark by Hippo Campus.

SPEAKER_03 57:09

Okay. What kind of music is it?

SPEAKER_01 57:11

It's very like I listen to quite like chill, like Indies are just broadly.

SPEAKER_03 57:17

Electronic, more rocky, more than I'm not.

SPEAKER_01 57:22

I just listen to music that's like really relaxing and you can tell that people making it really put effort and thought and people are happy making it. Yeah, no, it does. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 57:32

They cared about it. But it's also nice to like relax to and like you can kind of have it on. Sometimes even something too intense on, it's like you can like work to it or not.

SPEAKER_01 57:41

It's just very crazy, it's just like and it's really poetic. Like all of their lyrics are quite out there and not like cerebral, but I mean I kind of think it's they take themselves seriously and not seriously at the same time, which is really cool. Because they say like really ridiculous things that I say I can't even understand. Um but then they kind of point it out at the same time, being like, Yeah, I'm kind of just saying kind of thing sometimes, but sometimes I really genuinely mean it, even if it doesn't make sense even to me. And I'm like, yeah. I get that. Like sometimes you like sometimes you connect the things and you're like, I don't know why, but this really speaks to me.

SPEAKER_03 58:19

That's true. When you hear like someone say like a sentence and you're like, I don't get it, but yeah, I do get it.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Yes, exactly. Or like art. Why did that resonate? You like see like a painting or something, and you're like, wow, it's really hits.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

I don't know why, but it just That rarely happens for me, but when it does, it's really strange. Yes. And I look at a piece of light like a painting and I'm like, oh I feel a bit lost looking at this painting. But it doesn't, I'm not really like a very um painting artistic kind of thing. No, neither am I. But sometimes.

SPEAKER_01 58:45

So when it happens, I'm like, oh, maybe people are actually not just being silly when they're like, this painting really spoke to me. I'm like, okay, yeah, sure, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 58:52

It's literally my response every time it's like, alright. Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

It's like, oh, it's just completely blue. Oh, cool. Um, but then it'll happen to me, and I'm like, you know what?

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Maybe uh maybe, maybe they're on the thing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, maybe. I was like when you talk about music, like for me, I just sometimes get super nerdy with it. I'll be like, oh man, the production and blah blah blah this and blah blah blah the lyrics and blah blah blah the emotion. People are like, all right, Scottish is kind of a cool song.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

That's like most of my friend group. Yeah. Super nerdy musicians. So duty.

SPEAKER_01 59:21

And I'm quite like, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 59:22

That's why Ollie's really refreshing.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

There's like sounds and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 59:26

I like the sound and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 59:27

Yeah, I like vibe into it. No, I I feel music, but like in my body, not really in my mind. So it's kind of like more of a kind of sensation than like a oh well, if get the right equipment, like the sound, if you'd like do this and it makes like this tiny.

SPEAKER_02 59:41

Is that what you do? I do a lot of that now. But I do have to feel it as well. I have to have both. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:46

I find I feel it first, and then my my analytical mind starts.

SPEAKER_02 59:50

So I've become the opposite now, which I wish I wasn't, but I'll hard out analyze first. And then if it can break through that and then make me feel as well, then I'm like, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

Yeah, true.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:00

Sometimes it's like rule, like there'll be some like little part of like the instrumentation that catches me more. Because I talk about my with my girlfriend a lot, will be like, oh, I listen to like a song, and then I'll and like the lyrics, I'll be like, Yeah, and then I'll hear like some quirky sample instrumentation, but I'm like, oh, this song's really great. And he's like, just for that? I'm like, just for that. Yeah, no, I've got it. No one does that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

I really like that, especially like in hip hop. I find with hip hop music, and they put in like a funky sample, and you're like, that shouldn't work, but it does work really good here. Yeah. I'm like, that's impressive. They put it like why does it work? Yeah, why did it work? Yeah, that's when my brain starts going out of control. Yeah, yeah. Alright, all right, cool, cool. Sweet. Um, what is uh something you cannot eat before you go on stage?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:46

Apples.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

That's an answer I haven't.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:48

Apples makes my stomach so upset. Apples. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:54

I just try and not eat too much like right before getting on stage because I'm just not gonna digest it and I've got too much adrenaline running through my body, so I can't even eat most of the time. I'm naturally wired. Wink wink.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:06

We do we reference our songs all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:10

The most meta band inside jokes, but not really because they're we just reference ourselves and then Jarek like actually takes some of my lyrics as though they're gospel. Like Jarek would be like, oh, but don't you remember I've got problems, you've got problems? Like he will actually he takes it next level. Yeah. But yeah, I constantly just say my own lyrics and conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:29

I love I hate the city, it's amazing because I hate the city, it's amazing. Like genuinely, like I'll be like, especially when I'm driving in the city, because it's so annoying to drive.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:39

They've made Auckland Cities almost undrivable.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

Yeah, I think they were like, yeah, guys, we're gonna make it so that public transport is like the way you're supposed to maneuver through town. But by that, we mean we're gonna make it impossible to drive and not include the infrastructure to make public transport actually good.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:56

And let's raise the prices of all the parking even more.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

Yes, yes, yes. Let's make it insufferable.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:01

Yeah, let's make it terrible. And no one wants to walk there. No. No. Yeah, that's yeah, very true. Mm-hmm. Alright. There's the 81. Oh, um, who who smells the best in the band? Oh. I don't even know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

I don't I don't think I've ever smelled anything. Ollie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:20

It would be Ollie or me. Sorry, James or Jericho.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:23

Yeah. But like definitely not Jerick in there.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:26

Yeah. We love you, Jerick.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:27

Love you, Jarek.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:28

No, he loves to be the stinky guy, though.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:31

Yeah. I think he does it deliberately.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:33

He does it deliberately, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

It's quiet. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:38

We'll end it there. That's it. Um who okay, a couple more. Um, what's been the biggest milestone for the band so far? Something you've like accomplished and you've been like, wow, that was a that was a hefty goal we reached.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:53

It's a bit like it's constant. I feel like because you're always getting up there, so it's like, I don't know. New Plymouth was a magical show. Show for us.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:01

Like going outside going outside of Auckland.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:04

And like we didn't know if anyone liked us there. And we had this like super fan who was like streaming all of our music. Yeah, they like knew us from just from Spotify or like algorithms.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:15

Like, so excited.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:18

They're not AI. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:20

And it's like an actual, like, genuine, like, like fan who was just like outside of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:23

And then we made so many new fans in that one night. We just completely pulled in the audience, and like for ages, they were still like posting about us like weeks later, being like, Have you heard of this band? And I was seeing all these like threads come up, or even I saw like in TikTok comments there were like because there were a lot of like local kids and stuff in the high schools, and they were like, Oh, I missed that Capricorn show. Like, I need to see them next time. So that was like huge in the way that it's was a really impactful show, and that's really cool to just have one show and it makes such an impact. That's cool. So I think that might be yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:52

I think that's why we want to like go out and do other things outside of Auckland, because it's like, oh yeah, these people are like people are hungry for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

People are hungry for it, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:00

Especially in like smaller towns and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:02

And because we're like very um we're a lot, very exciting. Like they're like, what is this? Yeah, yeah, like yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:08

No, that's cool. I like that. I like that a lot. Okay, uh, I'll give I'll give uh one more. Um what have I got? Uh I've got a reach out of reach out of the ether. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Mind palace.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

Okay, if you had to go to space. This is a good album. Oh, yeah, here we go. Yeah, there's a good one, right? If you had to go to space, um and you can only choose one album to bring. I've already done that one. You've already done that album. I was trying to, I know, I was like, it's like the desert island one, but it's space. Alright, if you if you had to go to space with the band. Okay, which planet would you guys play a live show on?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:46

I mean, they're all inhospitable. Yeah, like I don't wanna I don't wanna analyze this too. Because we can't really land there. If we would do like a satellite show.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:56

Satellite show. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:57

Because then you can just like broadcast it basically everywhere. And imagine aliens hearing that. You know what I mean? Like imagine just like aliens picking up a signal and it just be like smile.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:07

I don't want to be put in a box of in our like so in our solar system. Like, let's get out of there.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:11

Let's perform on Mars and Venus.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:13

Yeah, Mars and Venus, actually.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

Yeah, we'll play on Mars and Venus. I think I think those are like not completely. Actually, one of the more hospitable players like Jupiter, like, no way. Yeah, exactly. I'm gonna play in the eye. Moon of Saturn, I think you could get away with that. Yeah, probably. Alright. That'd be sick. Has anybody played on the moon? Has a band actually played on the moon?

SPEAKER_02 1:05:35

Nah, there was a there's an astronaut that played in a ship and he did a cover of Space Oddity floating around like guitar. That that happened, but I don't think anyone's played on the moon.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:48

Maybe that's a good one. That's the milestone.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:51

It's expensive, yeah. Tiny band.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:53

We wouldn't get it. Yeah, yeah. Honestly, it wouldn't make us explode. Goes to the moon. Let's just have how how expensive is it to go to? I don't think it's in our budget.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

Yeah, I don't think it's in our budget. Well, ends it on our stay up from the galaxy. Send us to the moon. Capricorn to the moon.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:11

I mean New Zealand is one of the biggest like like space thingies.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:16

Space thingy. Space loving countries.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Well, like we're one of the biggest like companies that puts like satellites into the stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

That is true. Rocket Lab, right? So get us to the moon, guys. Yeah. We will not disappoint. No, no. No. Sponsored by Rocket Lab.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:33

Getting back from the moon might be a bit harder.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:36

We'll just live there.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:37

We just live on the moon.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:38

We'll just keep recording albums on the moon? Yeah. You could. I don't know how much fun it would be, but hey. No one else would have done that. Recording an album at the moon? Yeah. Alright, guys, that was good. Um, any final words before we before we hit off?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

I was gonna say it's siren time. Siren time.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

That's where we always end our shows, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:03

Yeah, we uh we always end with siren, so yeah, there we go. I'll leave it on that one. Just a bunch of Jeffers. All right. We'll sign out there. Thank you for you guys for coming on. No problem. Thanks. Cheers, thank everyone for listening. Bye.