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The Truth Hurts Podcast with Wayne Carey
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The Truth Hurts Podcast with Wayne Carey
Season 1 - Ep #10 - Duck's Tassie drama, McKay twins bad body language and why footballers shouldn't box
Season 1 - Ep #10 - Duck's Tassie drama, McKay twins bad body language and why footballers shouldn't box.
Join Wayne Carey and Ayrton Woolley as they jump into episode 10 of the show.
Hear Wayne talk about the Carlton Board problems, the bad body language of the McKay twins, why footballers shouldn't box and the week that was a nightmare in footy tipping.
Ayrton and Wayne also discuss Tassie and Ducks recent trip to the Apple Isle.
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Wayne's Birthday delay at the airport in Tassie
Is Tassie divided?
Earthquake rocks Ayrton and his furry friends
Shocking week of tipping and Carlton's blues
Luke Sayers vs Craig Mathieson
Do boards affect players?
Are Carlton back to square one?
McKay brothers week
Will Ben McKay leave the Kangaroos?
How important is body language on the field?
Duck rates Steele Sidebottom
Duck's 250th Game
Duck on Fev's beautiful kicking technique
Duck on the Tigers post Dimma
Duck on Dusty leaving the tigers
Duck's take on Cam Mooney vs Tom Bellchambers boxing match
Duck on why Footballers shouldn't box
Cam Mooney's Premiership with the Roos
Duck on Kochie
Listener Comment 1: David Keel
Listener Comment 2: Dimitri Hantis
Was footy better in the 90's?
Duck on players not being able to kick and handball on their left feet
Listener Question 3: Aaron Wood
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Episode #11
[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, we're back again for another episode of The Truth Hurts. I'm It and Wooley with Wayne Carey and Duck. I'm, I'm always interested when you get back from your weekends about what's gone on, it never seems to be straightforward with you. You've always had some sort of drama. And this time it was in, uh, in my home state of Tasmania, I believe.
[00:00:17] Ayrton: But you are
[00:00:18] Wayne: here, which is good to see. I I'm very lucky to be here, to be honest with you. Um, and that's purely because, and a lot of people out there have been at the airports a lot in the last three or four months and never had. A worse experience to what I had yesterday coming outta Tassie. So I had a flight that I was on, which was Virgin Airlines, and I know all the airlines have canceled flights, but didn't get a notification until I was actually already at the airport.
[00:00:42] Wayne: So I'm there for an hour before it, uh, bings up on the screen and says, flight canceled. I thought, okay, no worries. This is another flight at 1240. There's another one at three. I was meant to be back to watch the North Melbourne Collingwood game. I was, I was, uh, I was, uh, coming back to be in a box with some corporate sponsors, little Cashy.
[00:00:59] Wayne: Yep. [00:01:00] Um, yeah, so to come back. So I was really looking forward to that and. Then we got put on a Qantas flight. So they said, Nope, there's no more flights. You can't get on. So they shuffled everyone over. So I got onto a Qantas flight and I thought, great. So I still get back. So that flight was leaving at 1240.
[00:01:17] Wayne: He got me back to Melbourne by two, back for the three 20 game. Went out onto the tarmac, sat there for half an hour, came back in Oh nice, to the gate and they said technical problems. We have to fly an engineer from Melbourne. Down to Hobart to, uh, to fix the plane. And you will be gone. You'll be on your way at five o'clock.
[00:01:36] Wayne: So obviously the footy is done. So put a line through that. I thought, what a waste of a day. I mean, loved every bit of Tassie. Um, love, as I said, I, I love the place. It's, uh, you know, the produce just so beautiful. The markets. It was just gorgeous. Had a beautiful lunch for my birthday on Saturday, which was great.
[00:01:54] Wayne: So made the, made the tough dec dec decision to not. Waited around at the [00:02:00] airport for another three or four hours for the engineer to come from Melbourne. And when, when it got there at 5:30 AM this morning, there was an extra plane on the tarmac and it was that plane. So it didn't take off. It didn't, it did not take off.
[00:02:12] Wayne: So I went back into, uh, town and uh, uh, had a little bit more of the local produce and, uh, had it, got it a good early night, but I just love it. But what I did find out your hometown, I know, not your, Your home state, sorry, not your home state. There are different towns in TAs. I know. And, and this is the problem.
[00:02:29] Wayne: This, this is the problem. And we're going to get some, uh, not well vision and audio about what I said about Tasie. How many weeks ago now? Probably a month ago now. I reckon it was a month ago, right before they signed the deal. I said the, the issue that I had wasn't about Tassie and how much, what a great place it is.
[00:02:46] Wayne: And the fact that they've produced all these great footballs and great produce full stop was the fact that they just don't get along down there. So, I went around, spoke to a couple of people, a couple of different venues that I, um, popped my head into and they [00:03:00] just don't like one another. There's, they, they really don't want this stadium to be built in Hobart.
[00:03:06] Wayne: And then there's talk of, okay, we'll mix the games up, some in Lonnie and, and some in Hobart, but have the bigger teams play. The Tasmanian team in Hobart and then Launceston people aren't gonna put up with that. They get the Gold Coast or you know, or North Melbourne or someone like that, that, you know, the smaller type teams down there and the Collingwood's and those teams playing Hobart.
[00:03:27] Wayne: That's just not gonna wash. That's what I did find out about that Ta Tasmanian people. And they're not, I'm not sure this is gonna get over the line. It's not,
[00:03:36] Ayrton: and it's gonna be an utter embarrassment for Tasmania, which really frustrates me
[00:03:40] Wayne: because, and the reason why I say that is because, The people that I spoke to there, obviously the ones in Hobart, no, the stadium will definitely be built.
[00:03:47] Wayne: Don't worry about it. You know, we'll work our way through it. Mm-hmm. But then you speak to others that are not from there and they're adamant that it won't happen. Yeah, they think, and there was a protest there, um, on the weekend as well. I think a couple of hundred people turned up to [00:04:00] talk about the stadium.
[00:04:00] Wayne: And then you have the, you know, the greenies and they're all involved with it as well. So there's a, there's a few, uh, few boxes to be ticked for this to get off the ground. I, I hope it does. But you, they have to come together. And then the other question that I also raised when we last had the discussion about this was whether they would get fully behind a Tasmanian team.
[00:04:23] Wayne: And they all said within re for instance, if you're a young family now and you were having, you had young children and they would obviously grow up, but it would take time. Yes. So everyone that already had a team said that Tazzie would be their second team. The Tassie team would be their second team, not their first team.
[00:04:41] Wayne: So it, it, it would take some time for them to really embrace the new team. And by, by the way, that's, this isn't me saying it's not gonna happen or it shouldn't happen. I want it to happen. I'm just saying there's a lot of question marks, um, still to be answered for that. To go ahead.
[00:04:56] Ayrton: Certainly has become a massive political football and one that will [00:05:00] affect the election down there as well.
[00:05:01] Ayrton: But the big thing that you did miss while you were, um, stuck down in Tassie was the earthquake. Oh, please. Now, I wasn't around for the one that hit Melbourne a few years ago. This was 3.8 magnitude last night. Massive. Huge. I was sitting, it was about a quarter to, uh, 12 last night.
[00:05:18] Wayne: Oh. Hope
[00:05:18] Ayrton: no one was injured.
[00:05:19] Ayrton: I was sitting on the couch, uh, by myself. My, uh, partner had gone to bed. She was tucked up and, uh, five month old was also bed. A bit of a night owl, aren't you? Yeah. I st I stay up. You get a bit early. I stay, I stay up later and get up later, but then, yeah,
[00:05:32] Wayne: you. You sleep in? Yeah,
[00:05:33] Ayrton: you always call me and I'll never answer in the morning.
[00:05:35] Ayrton: Anyway, I was sitting there at the cat was next to me, Billy, he was, he was minding his own
[00:05:39] Wayne: business. I can picture you, you, you'd be like Home Simpson. Line up with a big, big block of chocolate on your stomach. A cat, the cat wrapped around your neck like a scarf. I had had a couple
[00:05:49] Ayrton: of cans. Um, I was just watching a TV show and then just this loud sort of rattling and I could hear it on the balcony I thought.
[00:05:58] Ayrton: Because we get some possums [00:06:00] and stuff out there. I thought it was like a huge animal was on the balcony. And I was a huge animal, a possum. I was like, I thought it
[00:06:07] Wayne: was what huge animals could get up on your balcony. Like a kangaroos get. I dunno. Fuck. It was all happened very quick. A killer, a killer koala was on your, on your balcony.
[00:06:18] Wayne: I've jumped up.
[00:06:19] Ayrton: Billy's gone flying across the room cuz he's seen me jump up. Now I do a bit of shadow batting upstairs. Sorry, I had the cricket bat. This is, I don't know what's going through my mind at this stage. I ripped you do know it's winter. I ripped my socks off. Cause I thought just, and then I started thinking, oh, maybe someone's trying to break in.
[00:06:35] Ayrton: So I ripped my socks off in case I needed to go someone I wanted a bit of grip on my feet. Grabbed the cricket bat and ran downstairs and my miss was calm. Is anything she No. No. I think it's just an earthquake. Yep.
[00:06:45] Wayne: Pure rationale behind all of that. So some massive animal, which she said was a possum.
[00:06:51] Wayne: Then you reckon a kangaroo jumped up onto the, uh, the balcony. Killer Koala. What else could it be? It could be, it could have been a big, I don't know. A domestic cat or something [00:07:00] maybe. Well, that goes,
[00:07:01] Ayrton: that goes through your mind at that stage. It could have been, it could have been anything live on the edge of a park.
[00:07:05] Ayrton: I was, yeah.
[00:07:06] Wayne: Anyway, I was a bit rattled. Not, uh, no, not nothing to worry about. I, but I did hear a little bit of feedback, but no, we didn't get it in Tassie.
[00:07:13] Ayrton: Well, that's, uh, that's very disappointing. Uh, a big weekend of football. Shocking for tipping. I think I got about two tips right. For the entire weekend.
[00:07:21] Ayrton: So it was, uh, it was tough going, but Friday night was almost. Predictable in the way that that Carlton, again, were, were a disappointment, which has been a common team in, in recent weeks. It's led to more board trouble today. We wouldn't normally touch on, on board troubles. But there is something specific I wanted to ask you.
[00:07:38] Ayrton: So Craig Matheson, uh, who's on the blues board, he got in a huge blue with the President Luke Sayes after the game. He's now stepped off
[00:07:45] Wayne: the, is that fat his, that that's been reported. There's a huge blue y that that's
[00:07:49] Ayrton: been reported. And the blues who reported that.
[00:07:51] Wayne: So the Herald son has reported, oh, well you gonna believe that crap.
[00:07:54] Wayne: Well, the Carlton
[00:07:55] Ayrton: has
[00:07:55] Wayne: confirmed he has left the blue. Yes. Okay. But a huge blue. I mean, I've been [00:08:00] involved in apparently huge blues before and a big, uh, you know, words when I say there and everywhere, when a verbal altercation a verb, and now it's a verbal altercation. Well, was it, it was a verbal blue. Well, I one wonder if it was written in the Herald Son.
[00:08:11] Wayne: I wouldn't believe it. For starters. That's not to say there couldn't have been a discussion. Yes. Or even even a firm discussion. But when you start saying a huge point, well, I should have been
[00:08:20] Ayrton: more careful
[00:08:21] Wayne: with my words anyway. Well, you should don't believe what you read it all the time. Somethings happened anyway.
[00:08:26] Wayne: Did you got me there? No. Well, you're off to afl. You've had a, a killer animal on your balcony, which none of them, well, I'm still coming in terms of it, mate. All right. No. So I, what I will say about, um, when you have. When you do have troubles and if there is trouble, and obviously he's left the board and he's been a big part of that football club.
[00:08:44] Wayne: Well, Bruce Mathson is obviously Yes, I know that. But the family, yes. Okay. Big part of that footy club for a long time. So at, at, when? When you hear people say that it doesn't affect the players, it does affect some of the players. The elder players would have relationships with some people on the [00:09:00] board.
[00:09:00] Wayne: The younger players couldn't give a stuff, they just go about their business. Um, all that they're focused on is getting a kick. And let's be honest, that's all they should be focusing on at the moment. It's just worrying about the football, unfortunately, for that footy club. And I don't think, I don't think I'm wrong in saying this.
[00:09:16] Wayne: They have, they have constantly, over the last, I don't know how many years fed on themselves. I mean, it's just a constant battle within their own four walls. No one agrees that they, they never seem to be on the same page, and all of a sudden you've got. You know, obviously Vassy, you know, in his second year, um, and they're not playing great football.
[00:09:38] Wayne: They just missed the finals last year. And, and then you've got stuff like this happening again, Essen and have been through it. I think they're starting to get a bit of stability now because I think Brad's got such a, a, a strong. Person and has been at a footy club before, and I, you know, all of a sudden you see a little bit of light at the end of the tunnel for the bombers, which I, which is great.
[00:09:59] Wayne: And [00:10:00] that can be covered up by a couple of wins as well. Mm-hmm. We know, we know that. So when things are, they're never as bad as what they seem, they're never as good as what they seem. And maybe that's the case of Carlton right now. I, I would assume they're not back where they were, you know, a year, two years, three years ago.
[00:10:15] Wayne: You'd hope not. You would hope not, because this is a, this is a great footy club. It's really, really sad to see that it's taken them this long and still not, still no finals footy and yet we all sit back and marvel at their, their great list. And yes, they've still got some injuries, but it, it leads me into some flimsy, floppy contests.
[00:10:37] Wayne: And I'm gonna bring up a guy from another club involved in this. The two Mackay boys. You've, you know, I, I don't think I've seen two bigger men be. Be so at times weak in the contest. And that's a strong work word to say, weak in the contest because I think both of them have shown that they can [00:11:00] be big body players and they can take PAC marks and they can be strong and, and they can have a physicality about them.
[00:11:06] Wayne: But when they go about their business at times, I mean a spoil yesterday. It was, you know, it was just, you're
[00:11:12] Ayrton: talking about Ben McKay and it North be Colin. It was just, there's a couple of moments, wasn't it? Look, he looked, he looked checked out. I thought you are gone. Like, he's, he's, he's leading,
[00:11:20] Wayne: he's a free agent.
[00:11:21] Wayne: How can you check out when it's, you're not even halfway through a season. You can't, surely you can't check out. You're playing for your jumper. You're playing for self pride, playing for your family. So you surely you're not checking out. You if, if anything you want to, if you were thinking about leaving, you'd want to play really good footy, you know, put your value up.
[00:11:40] Wayne: If you had any thought about doing something like that, looking at him, did you
[00:11:43] Ayrton: think he's gon, he's gonna be elsewhere than North
[00:11:46] Wayne: Melbourne? I don't, I don't think he's gonna be anywhere but North Melbourne. You think he's gonna the way but the way. Few of the contests that he went into. It just has to be bigger.
[00:11:55] Wayne: He has to play bigger and stronger than that. Well, that
[00:11:58] Ayrton: applies to, to, I'm interested in Harry [00:12:00] because it applies to both in a way, doesn't it? Cause Harry, Can influence a game. We know he is kicking
[00:12:05] Wayne: woes. Harry's a cult. Don't worry about the kicking woes. I don't that they that will come and go and he's just gotta get, he's just gotta get his head right with that and, and work out what style of kick that he's gonna go with, because I still think there's a little bit of confusion even while he's walking back.
[00:12:20] Wayne: I do, I kick around the corner. Do I kick a drop punt? I, I think that there is, that still sitting in his head, but for me it's, it's them in the, it's those two in the contest. That worry me at times. We're talking about two guys at a six foot, eight, six foot, nine, whatever, the and, and over 105 kilos, I would assume.
[00:12:38] Wayne: And they don't play like that all the time. And when you're that big and that strong and you, and you've got opponents on you nowhere near as big, you've just gotta, you've, you've gotta assert your physicality. I mean, it is, we, we are playing a contact sport here. You are allowed to, we're in a marking contest.
[00:12:56] Wayne: You are allowed to attack the footy with, with some [00:13:00] velocity and, and velocity. How
[00:13:01] Ayrton: conscious of, of you as a leader of your football club, because these guys are, they're not captains, but they are leaders, uh, you know, they've been at their respective clubs for a long period of time. Now, how conscious of your body language, uh, were you as skipper because people would've fed off you?
[00:13:16] Ayrton: And, and what you're looking, and when I look at these guys, I feel like that can influence those around them when their heads down or, or they perhaps aren't exuding that confidence that we know they can
[00:13:26] Wayne: have. Oh, body language is a, is a massive thing, especially from the, the senior players. You don't have to be a leader.
[00:13:33] Wayne: You, you, if you're a senior player, then you are setting the example for the younger players that are there. And North Melbourne would've got a lot, lot of younger players, Carlton have got some young players as well. So your body language is huge. So when you, you know, if you miss a goal or your, your contest isn't quite strong enough to make sure you, you, you let them know around you that you, you're a little bit disappointed in it maybe, or, you know, you need to do better or, you know, use your voice.
[00:13:57] Wayne: But it's, yeah, I, I, I [00:14:00] don't see a lot of that with those two in particular. They're both very talented footballers. And I think they can both do a lot better with what I'm talking about. So let's not talk Mark's, kicks and handballs and goals. Let's just talk about body language and the physicality and how they go at the footy.
[00:14:18] Wayne: And that to me, Wayne's, pardon the pun, far too much with those
[00:14:21] Ayrton: two. So it starts there for you and everything else feeds off that. Well, we've spoken about Carlton at length just from that North Melbourne Collingwood game yesterday. I did feel a little bit fore sidebottom. He's 300th game and he goes off injured with a knee injury.
[00:14:35] Ayrton: Uh, early in the game, you would've played a few milestone games. Any memorable milestone games for you? Or not memorable ones,
[00:14:41] Wayne: just still side bottoms. Been a superstar. 300 games right from the time he started Left foot, right foot. Highly skilled. You've always been a big fan of Steel Runner. You have. I have.
[00:14:51] Wayne: I, I thought he should have been all Australian a couple of years where he wasn't all Australian, but he's always been ultra consistent. So great effort. Uh, milestones. I [00:15:00] don't remember too many. The one that stands out was my two 50th, of which I was playing for Adelaide and it was against Carlton and it was my two, uh, and Brendan Favola.
[00:15:10] Wayne: I kicked four for Adelaide and Brendan. I had to throw that in. Brendan, uh, kicked a goal after the siren from the boundary line meters out. Yeah. To win. So against and Pego was against my old coach. Yes, Dennis. And then and Fe as well. Like for fe to do it. As you can imagine, every time I see Fe he, he brings that up.
[00:15:32] Wayne: So that, that's one that, that's the milestone game that stands out purely because of the circumstances
[00:15:37] Ayrton: talking of kicking and I know we were, we weren't necessarily gonna go down this path. When you think of set shots fe, he was a great set
[00:15:43] Wayne: shot, wasn't he? For beautiful set shot. Yep. Simplistic, um, hand down the bottom of the ball.
[00:15:49] Wayne: I don't know why. You know, the greatest goal kicker of all time. Tony Lockett, hands at the bottom of the ball. It's all about control from hand to foot. Fv worked that out, and that's why he was a great kick for gold. Nathan Buckley had his hands [00:16:00] loaded. It's, it's, it's not a, like I said, it's, I, I don't understand why they're taught to hold the ball more at the top or even in the middle.
[00:16:08] Wayne: Your, your, your controlling hand should be low on the footy. I
[00:16:12] Ayrton: watched, uh, Loy. Talk about this yesterday as well, and he was similar sort of themes in terms of, and also where the foot was heading and that sort of thing. Did you have ti any time in your career where you lost confidence in your kicking or anything like that?
[00:16:24] Ayrton: Or you, I mean, you had a, you had a pretty nice set shot. So I, I'm
[00:16:27] Wayne: interested if within a, within a game, I, I had games where I kicked Paul. Yeah, I was, there's a grandfather, grandfather where I kicked Paul in 98. So we, we, you can all have an off day. The biggest thing that you've gotta do when you have.
[00:16:39] Wayne: When you miss a goal is you go back and you self evaluate on the spot. So if you get a kick from a similar position, the next kick, you just shouldn't miss. You should know exactly what you've done wrong. You, you have your checklist in your head. You go back and you do, you, you know what you did wrong, and then you go back and you correct that.
[00:16:56] Wayne: And generally you'll kick the next one.
[00:16:59] Ayrton: Watched [00:17:00] Richmond game with Port Adelaide yesterday. Uh, since our last podcast, Damien Hardwick stepped aside as coach. Some big news there. Uh, the Tigers put it in a good performance. They probably could have won that game if they had. Had kick straight, watched Dustin Martin.
[00:17:13] Ayrton: Still a very good player. I mean, I'm not hardly giving away state secrets there, even if he doesn't have the absolute influence that he had in the past. I did wonder watching him and Richmond's direction when you have the likes of Trent Katchen and Jack Rewal who'll probably retire at the end of the year while they have reloaded with, um, Tim Toronto and Jacob Hopper.
[00:17:33] Ayrton: You know, Richmond may want to, to go down a few drafts. Uh, now that they are gonna reset with a new coach with Dustin. What does that mean for him? Because he still has value and on a contender, he could be the absolute cherry on top. Is that me just muck raking there or do you think a club might, cause I, I saw reports that the Gold Coast renew him last year.
[00:17:56] Ayrton: He still has one year on his Richmond contract over a million dollars. But could [00:18:00] you see a club coming for Dustin? And how would you handle that if you were Richmond?
[00:18:04] Wayne: Well, I don't think I'm on my own here. I think re Walt and Kotin won't go on next year. So there's two guys that he's played his whole career with.
[00:18:13] Wayne: You would think that, and with Hardwick gone then it, it certainly does open it up for Dusty. Does he want to make or does he have relationships with some of the younger players coming through? I assume he does. Um, he's a, he's a ripper dusty. He's been an unbelievable player. I think the only way that happens is not if it's.
[00:18:31] Wayne: Uh, done by Richmond. But if, if Dusty himself says he wants to leave, then I think they'd facilitate it for him. Just like the Richmond Footy Club said, you know what? Demo, you've been great three time Premier, you know, move on. And we're happy for you. And, you know, you've, you've been a, a legend of this club for what you've done.
[00:18:50] Wayne: They would do the same for Dusty, but I, I can't, I, yeah, I couldn't see Richmond going out and putting his name on the table. To, uh, for, for a, for a [00:19:00] first round pick? For first round pick. I, I, I just could not see that happening. And I don't think they'd treat their, you know, superstar like that
[00:19:07] Ayrton: because he's got the flags as well.
[00:19:09] Ayrton: I mean, he, he might want to finish a one club player because I guess the guys that maybe. Would consider that more of the ones that are, are still chasing
[00:19:16] Wayne: that flag? Well, a couple, you know, a couple of years, a couple of years at a different club doesn't, doesn't change what he's done for the Richmond Footy Club.
[00:19:23] Wayne: If he just wants to go and I, I guess, be in a state where it's not as, you know, football mad, then you, you could understand why he would want to do that and he would still, I still think he's got a couple of years left in him.
[00:19:36] Ayrton: You're the way he's playing up Ford. Absolutely. Uh, there was a b some boxing on the weekend that you attend.
[00:19:41] Ayrton: Was that was in Tassie, was it that you were in at the box? I
[00:19:43] Wayne: was, I I did, I did go to the boxing. Down in Tassie was fantastic. There was some
[00:19:47] Ayrton: boxing too in Melbourne last week, which you, um, I think, I wouldn't say a keen interest in, but you certainly watched it and involve some afl uh, former AFL players in, in Cameron Mooney and Tom Bell Chambers.
[00:19:58] Ayrton: It was to me as a [00:20:00] non boxing person, it was a bit of a fast,
[00:20:01] Wayne: wasn't it? I get a no. I get asked this question a lot because I've been asked to do a lot of these boxing things over for a long period of time. Now, from the time I've retired, still to this day, I want to, and little do they know I'm having a shoulder replacement on the 4th of July.
[00:20:16] Wayne: But, and if needed that for a long time, so, and plus the fact that I've just turned 52 would suggest I'd be an idiot. Um, but get, I get bemused. And amused that we, we as footballers get asked to go in and, and have these fights because everyone thinks and they hear these rumors that, oh, you know, you know, cam Mooney, he can box I, the, the, I know that Cam Mooney can, can spar in a, in a boxing ring against other footballers that can't fight.
[00:20:48] Wayne: Right. So they're, they, but the, this myth and these rumors sort of gather that you Muhammad Ali all of a sudden, and I've, you know, people have said the same thing about mate, you, you footballers against footballers [00:21:00] are are fine. But when you start mixing boxes with boxers, so don't compare. Most footballers can't not, they're not even in the same league as a, a guy that has boxed his whole life.
[00:21:10] Wayne: It'll be like a, a boxer, a heavyweight boxer. He's saying, go, go and play. And half back on cam mooni, that's not gonna, cam mooni will kick 30 goals. Now I know he was fighting an ex footballer, which is great. He only had four weeks to prepare. Big. Tommy and I got told four weeks ago when he did his first session, a guy that sparred him was sparring with him, said to me, he said, can't throw a punch.
[00:21:34] Wayne: He can't throw a punch. But, but can that, can take one. Has no idea that that's what I got told. Has absolutely no idea.
[00:21:41] Ayrton: Why are these guys getting in the ring? Because What's that worse than them? What's it Tell, tell
[00:21:44] Wayne: me what they'd be getting. I, I, I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't be a lot.
[00:21:48] Ayrton: It wouldn't be a lot better in my head.
[00:21:49] Ayrton: I think you'd have to be getting over a hundred grand to go get your head
[00:21:53] Wayne: bashed in and Oh, head bashed in. They, it was three, two minute rounds. Well, he was, moon Moony was sell so, so [00:22:00] moons, so Moon, so Moons clearly. You know, he, he'd Moons had been training for a long time because Moons was set up to do some, another boxing event, which got canceled Yeah.
[00:22:09] Wayne: A while ago. So he'd been training for a fair bit. But when I got told that, so they said, well he, like I said, Tommy can cop one, but he can't throw one and. All of this, but it'll, it'll go the distance because, you know, and, and plus he's, he's a big boy. Um, and, and then you watch, you watch it and you, what you realize watching that is like, it's, it's a bit, it's a bit embarrassing in terms of, you know, what their capabilities as a boxer.
[00:22:34] Wayne: I mean, technically they were both putrid. And you know, it, it was, it was a, it was a farcical fight. And in the end, cam, Paul Cam, who I love, he's a Wagga boy premiership player with, but all that he's lost is a bit of pride, bit of reputation and all, and big Tommy looks like, um, like George Foreman, he looks like he's come out of it looking like he's, and, and people are saying, oh, we'll get him another fight.
[00:22:59] Wayne: [00:23:00] If I was Tommy, a bit of advice to Tommy. Don't take any other fights and. And also if you are a footballer, thinking about it, make sure it is 100% against another footballer. Don't ever do it against a boxer. Even Gallen found, you know, Paul Gallen, who's done a, you know, a pretty good job of his boxing career after footy, but when he got put in against a boxer, he was, he was made to look second rate as well.
[00:23:25] Wayne: And that box, and that box was a lot younger as well. Um, so, you know, the only one I think of that's made the transition is Monday. I mean, Mundine was a gun footballer, rugby player, shouldn't say footballer. Rugby league, league player. Yep. And, and he, and I think he was a, you know, obviously a high class, um, very good boxer as well, but I, I can't think of too many others.
[00:23:49] Wayne: You know, Sonny, bill Williams, obviously gun. Uh, gun rugby player, but he has fought mainly other footballers as well. Yeah. Not necessarily boxes like gallon.
[00:23:57] Ayrton: Yes. Uh, you, you've mentioned [00:24:00] then I just picked up on the fact you'd talk about yourself being a premiership teammate of Cam moons, and a lot of people forget that.
[00:24:05] Ayrton: So he played in 99 with you, didn't he? Yeah. I think he only got about 15 minutes on the ground or something that day. Yeah, he did. He did. He didn't get a stat.
[00:24:11] Wayne: No. No. Do you, do you think still got a pre, but, but he contributed. People forget. I'm a believer that if you play on grand final, not only if you play on that day, if you've played games during that year, then you've contributed to that premiership.
[00:24:25] Wayne: The, the, the 22 or 23 that that play on the day don't. You know, they're not the one, they're not the only ones that have contributed to that flag. It's the, the whole squad that has played during the year that have contributed to it. So, so yes, he had duck eggs, but he's a apprenticeship. Sorry, cam. He did go on to win a few more and contribute.
[00:24:44] Wayne: He did, and by the way, he's a rip, he's a ripper cam, but I, I, I get the feeling he would, yeah, he would be highly embarrassed about. Taking and doing what he did.
[00:24:54] Ayrton: Well, I did notice it was not discussed as far as I could tell on, uh, his TV show on Fox footy last [00:25:00] night. Well, I wouldn't
[00:25:00] Wayne: discuss it either.
[00:25:01] Ayrton: Speaking of television, I see, uh, David Kosh Koshi has left your old network channel 7 21 years
[00:25:08] Wayne: of, geez, we're really delving in
[00:25:09] Ayrton: these topics today. Some, um, he's left after 21 years On the breakfast show, you are obviously a, um, You've, you've spent a bit of time on tv, uh, as a player then as a commentator.
[00:25:19] Ayrton: You've been on SAS Australia more recently. I'm sure you've had lots of offers for, for different, uh, wild and wonderful programs. Is there any that stick out in your mind that you have done or you haven't done
[00:25:31] Wayne: it? What, what pricked my ears about what Kashi said? And I love, I, I really like Kashi and I think he's been very good, uh, for the Port Adelaide Football Club.
[00:25:39] Wayne: He's bringing that club, you know, a lot of stability. Um, at different times when there has been a little bit of, you know, backroom fighting. He's, he's, he has been stable, but he's also commented a lot and one of the comments he made, and I listened to his speech. Um, on the show and he said, well, now I can spend more time with my [00:26:00] football club.
[00:26:00] Wayne: I'm not sure. Ken Hinkley and others at Port Adelaide want him to be spending more time involved with the footy club, but he's a, he, look, he, he loves his football team. Um, but I not sure he should be getting too much, you know, not, not like Jeff Kennedy,
[00:26:16] Ayrton: Hawthorn, pat, Swed. Say
[00:26:18] Wayne: Jeff. Just maybe a, well, sometimes, and as we discussed before, a lot of board members and presidents.
[00:26:23] Wayne: You know, some, some are real football people, some are not. Some don't know one side of the footie from the other. So some should just purely be there from a business point of view and have nothing to do with the football department. Wanna get
[00:26:37] Ayrton: into some, uh, viewer or listener questions, um, which we've been hoping to promote over the last few weeks, and we really want to get these up.
[00:26:44] Ayrton: Uh, for any questions you have for Wayne, you can post them on YouTube on our various channels on Spotify and Apple. Uh, I've just got a couple of comments. First, uh, before I get into the questions, Wayne, uh, this is from David Keel. This was a couple of days ago. Uh, I must admit, I always [00:27:00] thought Carrie was an arrogant wanker in his footy days.
[00:27:02] Ayrton: Um, you are probably right, David, but it's great to see a different side of him in these yarns. Very human forward, like all of us. But very relatable. Uh,
[00:27:09] Wayne: thanks David. Thanks, uh, thanks Keely. And you know what? You're probably right. I was an arrogant wanker.
[00:27:16] Ayrton: Uh, Dimitri Ess Wayne had incredible vision last week when he expressed concern about Clarkson.
[00:27:20] Ayrton: I love listening to the podcast as there is no BS with Wayne. He says things as they are and is enjoyable and entertaining at the same time. PCE would love to hear Wayne talk about skills, uh, today versus yester year. You've got rose colored glasses. When you talk about your era, you, you say everything was better in the nineties, so I've, I'm, I'm guessing that's
[00:27:38] Wayne: what you're gonna say.
[00:27:38] Wayne: Well, they're, no, their tackling skills are better now. Their defensive skills are better now, by the way, these are not things while you go to the footy to watch people tackle and, and be defensive. But they are, they are better. So the structures are better defensively. They are better. I don't think they're as, as skilled.
[00:27:55] Wayne: I, I think there are a lot of players that play in the modern game that can't kick on their left foot [00:28:00] or handball on their left hand. And I think there were more in our era that were able to do that. But once again, the game is, the game is very different. But I, I don't think that they're more highly skilled.
[00:28:10] Wayne: I think some of the quick hands that they do like in, in traffic, I think that's gone to a whole new level. Um, then in our era, we, we didn't do that as much, but we didn't handle the footy as much. We wanted to move it forward, which some teams are doing now as well. Wanting, not wanting to stuff around with it, but actually take the game on.
[00:28:29] Wayne: But, so to answer your question, in some elements yes. In others, no, certainly not goal kicking.
[00:28:35] Ayrton: Aaron Wood said duck. You were talking about decos and the soft commentary surrounding his gut punch and saying green would've been dragged over the coals. All of that's correct. Now, there is no doubt the M R O is influenced by all of this.
[00:28:48] Ayrton: This is from what Aaron's saying, should the A F L ban all official media from giving commentary or opinions on actions or incidents that are likely to come under review?
[00:28:56] Wayne: Uh, no, because they have to, because, and they're told [00:29:00] to by their employer. They're told that you've gotta make a comment on that and, and you're under pressure to make a comment on that and make strong comments on it.
[00:29:07] Wayne: I just think it's up to the commentators to be. To be fair on everyone,
[00:29:12] Ayrton: the AFL did at one stage. Actually, I, I'm, I think I'm right in saying in the early nineties, have a ban on showing tribunal incidents until the tribunal case was heard. But of course, no social media then. Yeah. Much easier to, yeah. I remember on the news they'd play up until
[00:29:26] Wayne: the moment.
[00:29:28] Wayne: It's no diff, it's no different to the commentators. I think like when, and on the flip side, when Toby Green does something really well, you hear the commentators like when he does something bad, they go overboard with that as well. But when he does something, well boy, they pump him up like he's the best.
[00:29:44] Wayne: And by the way, he's, he's an unbelievable player, was very good on the weekend again. But another player will do that with a lesser name and they just go, oh, and he takes a mark and handballs it all. Oh, what a great goal. Whereas with Toby, it's pumped up and, and as it should, and we do celebrate our very good [00:30:00] players.
[00:30:00] Wayne: But it, it, it's on the flip side. They get those bigger comments when they do something well and they also get it on the other side. And I guess that's what being a high profile player
[00:30:10] Ayrton: brings. Daljit says, great show Wayne. Keep it up. Can we have some discussion on Geelong please? And that's particularly, I, I think, important after the weekend again with a loss that we perhaps were not expecting.
[00:30:22] Ayrton: Yeah.
[00:30:23] Wayne: The cats for me obviously been a few changes. They're, they've brought in a little bit of youth, um, and they've had a couple of, uh, couple of injuries as well. Yeah. Their midfield particularly correct. Yeah. Which has affected them. Uh, I'd not prepared to put a line through the cats. I know they're outta the eight right now, but not prepared to give up on them just yet.
[00:30:43] Wayne: They've got too much quality to say that they're, they're outta the race and they could be aside. And probably top fours out of the, outta the question, but they could be a side that could do some real damage in the, in the bottom half of the eight. I've got two
[00:30:57] Ayrton: to go that will, um, I'll ask you this week, [00:31:00] uh, this is from fos, uh, duck.
[00:31:02] Ayrton: I'd love to hear you talk about the favorite grounds you've played on the nuances with each of the AFL grounds of their change rooms. You played some sens sensational games at Waverly. Just the quirky things regarding nineties footy, even the interstate travel and the different
[00:31:14] Wayne: buffets. Different buffets.
[00:31:16] Wayne: What I do know about the buffets is they're a real trap. Especially for Porky, ones like you, and they're a real trap because what you do is you overeat, you, you even, you know, even those of us who could, um, afford to eat a little bit more the night before, or if you're there two days before, I mean, cuz all this food came out.
[00:31:37] Wayne: Now, normally if you're at home, you, you know, you might get your takeaway past or you'll have a steak. You don't, you're not getting up having four lots of sweets. What if these buffets, you've got everything there. PE used to sit there with his, with a pad and just write down how many times guys get up. I remember Mick Martin got up for his second or third bowl of sweets and Dennis would say, Hey son, do you normally have three bowls of ice cream on the night [00:32:00] before A goes?
[00:32:01] Wayne: So he knew what, so they can be a trap. Always, always a little bit more tightly managed
[00:32:06] Ayrton: these days than perhaps in your
[00:32:07] Wayne: day too. Yeah. Yeah. I remember Simo when he first took over at, uh, west Coast, he said that he had to keep an eye on McGovern. He said the buffet's got a, got hold of him a little bit in his early days.
[00:32:18] Wayne: It was quite funny cuz Simo obviously under Pagan. Yeah, he would've been watching. So it's funny how little traits pass on to the, to the, uh, younger coaches. And by the way, good luck to Simo going through a bit of a tough time at the moment in terms of grounds. I love, yes, I love Waverly. Obviously the M c g an actual fact, you, you, you end up, you end up enjoying.
[00:32:39] Wayne: And we're, we, I think we are on the only game in the world are we professional game where our, our ground sizes change. Like, you know, you look at all the other professional sports and you don't have different courts, different basket rights. You don't have, you know, your, your baseball fields are exactly the same dimensions.
[00:32:57] Wayne: Everything, all the dimensions are the same. [00:33:00] Whereas we can go to grounds and it, it changes every, every time. So it is different. But you learn. You learn when you are younger, you probably as a forward, you like more space, and then you learn how to play on grounds with less space and make your own space, so they're little quirkiness.
[00:33:17] Wayne: One of the big things though, and the worst thing about some of those suburban grounds, and I'm talking about. Princess Park talking about, uh, Collingwood, um, Victoria Park. And that is they No, they, well, their change rooms were shocking. You had no room whatsoever, um, to, to even warm up in. And the other thing were the showers.
[00:33:39] Wayne: You came in and you just had shocking showers like Princess Park were terrible. Vic Park terrible. You might only have one or two. Uh, our training facility at Arden Street, we only had one good shower. And it was in the corner, in the whole gr, in the whole in the well. So after training, you basically, everyone's lining up for that one shower.
[00:33:56] Wayne: Now all the young blokes knew not to even line up there. Um, because [00:34:00] it was a seniority senior. Yeah. Yeah. So you would walk down. Pego never went down there though. You always shuffled up the other end. How
[00:34:06] Ayrton: quickly did you get your way up the, the list for showers?
[00:34:09] Wayne: Oh, I pushed me way up there fairly quickly.
[00:34:12] Wayne: It's always And stay course you did. And, and stay in there for 20 minutes. Oh, I could
[00:34:15] Ayrton: not see you lining up
[00:34:16] Wayne: for anything once and so, so yeah, the showers were a big thing. Waverly showers were the best, so they had like a massive dinner plate. And the, and the water pressure was huge. So I I, after a Waverly game, I'd always be the last to leave.
[00:34:31] Wayne: I would stand under that. We haven't got a shortage on water at the minute, have we? No, no. Not at all. I'll have, I'll have some, I'll have someone say, oh, that, that'll be right. You're a water waste. Yeah. Um, probably get in the paper for it, but, so yes. So that was the, they were the little things at the grounds that you always knew when you were going there that, oh geez, they got, at least they got good showers.
[00:34:52] Ayrton: Final question. This is from Vultures. Wayne, give us your top five a F L players past or present to get on the drink with, share some [00:35:00] stories. Love the podcast.
[00:35:02] Wayne: Look, I think that's a podcast in itself. We're gonna have to do a separate podcast for that. And maybe I, a lot of people out there, and I know you are one of them, and I'd see it every week.
[00:35:12] Wayne: I, like, I was just in Tassie as this is gonna be a positive time. I see it every week that no one knows how, and I'm not talking about out of the tap, I'm talking about out of the bottle or a can. No one knows how to pour a beer properly. So we're, we're gonna do a, uh, a little, uh, clip on how to do it properly.
[00:35:27] Wayne: And I've been taught by an expert. I believe you. So we're gonna do that. So we might, we'll add that into that. Just before we go
[00:35:35] Ayrton: into a, I know we'll go into a top five when we do that podcast. Is there any name that pops in your head just straight away When you think of that, we'll delve into it deeper, but what was the first name
[00:35:43] Wayne: that came to your head when I said that Darren Crocker was pretty good.
[00:35:45] Wayne: Now he won't like me saying that cause he's the coach. He's the coach of the women's, uh, the women's team. Um, and, and it's funny how, um, players that are still involved in the game, they go, what? Don't, don't mention me back when I was like, you know, Well [00:36:00] mate, you, you pound for pound, you're one of the, he was very good.
[00:36:03] Wayne: Anthony Rock's entertaining Martin Pike. Uh, very entertaining. There's, there's, there's a long list and there's a few from other clubs as well, but all of these guys now are family man, and they're matured and. Everything else. So let me be on record of saying that so I don't cop phone calls about mentioning their names.
[00:36:20] Ayrton: Well, Wayne, thanks for another great show. Before we do go, there was one TV program that you decided to omit, uh, before I, I wanted, I wanted to know all about this, but I think you've deliberately left this out because you're a little bit embarrassed. I'm gonna play a clip for you from a show, uh, in the early nineties that you appeared on.
[00:36:40] Ayrton: I saw your
[00:36:41] Wayne: photo on the front page of a newspaper, what would the headline be? That's to quit. Uh, contestant number two probably found guilty on all charges.
[00:36:53] Ayrton: Now, that was played in a show before you got in trouble, funnily enough that was played on. Uh, what show was that and when was [00:37:00] that
[00:37:00] Wayne: Perfect match.
[00:37:02] Wayne: Why I went on that, I, I didn't answer your question before when, uh, deliberately, because I, I've been asked to do all the, all the different shows, dancing With the Stars and all those different things. I've done the sas, as you know, and I did the Full Monty, which was, you know, for a, for a great course. Um, but I did that and it was, I was only, I think I was only 18 when I went on that show.
[00:37:24] Wayne: And, and that, that answer, I think it's where, I think it's online saying, um, That I was predicting my future. So I don't know. Now, why would I come up with an answer like that? I'm, I'm not sure. But I will say this. I got the date, so I got no matches, but she picked me because apparently, This is what I got told afterwards that her mum was in the crowd saying, pick number two, pick pick number two.
[00:37:52] Wayne: So did you
[00:37:53] Ayrton: go on a, did you go
[00:37:54] Wayne: on a date after? Is that We did, yeah. Not after we, uh, couple of weeks you have a chaperone and picked up in a [00:38:00] limousine and went to a nice French restaurant. I'd never eaten French food before. I didn't know French food was basically just a steak and, uh, french fries. Um, well if you go to the good, you know the good French restaurants around town, they, they do that beautifully.
[00:38:14] Wayne: Well, so that, anyway, so it's not that thrilling, but yeah, that was a, one of those ones you look back on and, and you can't erase. Absolutely.
[00:38:23] Ayrton: Well, for anyone who wants to, uh, send in their questions, keep doing that. You can subscribe on YouTube and Spotify, and we'll see you again next week.
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