Nothing But Anarchy
"Nothing But Anarchy" hosted by Chad Sanders explores and subverts sports, media, Hollywood, and culture. Chad's vulnerable and raw commentary creates a fresh podcast experience you don't want to miss. Tune in Tuesdays and Thursdays at 12PM ET on Youtube Live.
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Game analysis, social commentary, and music.
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Executive Producer: Chad Sanders
Producer: Morgan Williams
Music: Marcus Williams
Nothing But Anarchy
Eps. #46 Stephen A. Smith's Name Dropping, Kanye West's Bomb Shelter, Microwaved Intimacy, and Completing Projects
0:08 Exploring Chaos, Anarchy, and Inspiration
14:27 Stephen A Smith's Career and Plans
25:21 Name Dropping and Authenticity in Hollywood
33:37 The Dark Side of Celebrity Networking
43:44 Freedom of Expression and Deion Sanders
51:17 Audience Development and Invented Beef
57:10 Microwaved Intimacy
1:02:38 Finishing Creative Projects
1:06:22 The Importance of Completion and Ownership
1:12:21 Nervousness Towards Posting on Social Media
1:15:44 Managing Relationships and Networking
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Executive Produced by: Chad Sanders
Produced by: Morgan Williams
This is Nothing but Anarchy. This is the show that explores chaos around the world, around culture, around sports, around media and some other stuff. I think that'll do just nicely for an intro. Okay, anarchy begins now. Welcome to Nothing but Anarchy. This is the show that explores chaos. We're gonna work on that word, I don't know if it's the exact, correct word, but the show that looks to subvert examines chaos, explores the industries that are entertainment, sports, music, media, technology basically everything that I do and that I'm into. We get into that stuff and I have a lot to say today.
Speaker 1:I have a friend named Amanda Calper. I've mentioned her before. She's a producer. She introduced me and Morgan a few years ago. She is a producer at she's the head field producer at the Seth Meyers show, which means she produces all those shorts that you see when when Seth Meyers goes out into the world and we were somewhere together and someone asked if I had someone asked if I had an opinion or something to say about something, and before I could answer she was like yeah, she's like chat, ask something to say about everything, and that is true, generally speaking. I have something to say always. Today, this morning, we were like looking at the docket and it felt a little bare. Maybe this was last night, I can't remember. I text Morgan all day, every single day, and call her at all times of day and night, but the point is I always got something to say about a lot of things. I have an opinion on many things. I have a point of view. It's my whole job.
Speaker 1:So, before we get into all that which we're about to, we're going to talk about, among other things, stephen A Smith and name dropping Kanye West. We're going to have we have a very namey name show today Kanye West, deon Sanders, justin Timberlake and Meg Thee Stallion, kid Cuddy and Timothy Chalamet, usa Today, hiring a dedicated Taylor Swift and Beyonce show. What show? What kind of show is this? What show have we become? We're going to talk about all this shit and I feel inspired again. Two, two for two this week on days that I come in here feeling inspired. I think we're going to have a good show.
Speaker 1:It's like it's happening all fall is coming. Fall is the season that I just feel the most in element the weather of it, the sun on your head with the 68 degree chill, the clothes that you wear, the candles on the table in the in the bars and restaurants, the tourists leaving New York city and going elsewhere, getting the fuck out of here, and just all that stuff. I just love it. So never mind about that. Let's talk about some stuff First, as I always do.
Speaker 1:Oh, our party is in two weeks. Y'all, our launch party is two weeks from today, six o'clock PM at Pony Boy in Brooklyn, greenpoint. Come hang with us. It's a hang, the ask is very low. We just want you all to come through is free. We'll be there. Some friends of the show will be there. The community around the show will be there. Some of my friends who I haven't seen in a long time will be there. We're and we're going to have a party. Tia Mowbly is DJing. She is a fantastic DJ. I have I have been hypnotized by her DJing ability before myself at a party where I was in attendee, and we just want you all to come through. So RSVP at nothing but anarchy pod at gmailcom, or you can go to the link in my bio and RSVP.
Speaker 1:Before we get into all this stuff, we are, I feel, inspired to now design merchandise for the show that something happened. It's a combination of just for those who like being behind the scenes, of sort of how these decisions and inspiration happens. The show has reached a place. One is we passed a few thousand, you know, in terms of streams and downloads. Two is I am now finding that y'all anarchists are seeing each other out in the world outside of me, outside of the show, and talking about the show together, and that's really fire Even people who haven't even have never met before in real life. I'm finding y'all to have relationships with each other and that's that's the point. Like that's how, that's how we grow. Here is when it's bigger than the time that I spend, you know, talking my shit, pontificating, reflecting diary to y'all. Like the way that it happens, the way that it grows is when we all feel like we're a part of something and y'all have relationships that don't even involve me, and that's happening and I feel excited about that, I feel inspired by that.
Speaker 1:So the next thing that's come to mind oh, I'll tell you one other thing. I am learning about something that I have been sleeping on, which is how to advertise online. I'm learning some of the science behind it and I've been talking to a couple of y'all about that science, but I've been being, I'm being, mentored by someone who has studied that science, who is teaching me hey, dude, you have made for the last four years some content, some some creativity. In my opinion I think it's art, but you call it whatever you want Moving images with messages and information and calls to action. You've made some really dope shit over the last five years. Why do you not promote it? Why are you not using it to drive traffic places that you want to?
Speaker 1:And so, having been under tutelage, learning that for the last, literally just for like five days, I have seen some things change in terms of my ability to impact an audience. And now I'm like oh, now I can really put my foot in some merch, because in the past I've made merch. Josh is wearing some merch right now he's wearing a direct deposit hat. I've made merch. I thought it was pretty cool. I think some people out there have enjoyed wearing it and liked it, but I have never taken a real artistic swing at making the kind of merch that I think could live on its own as a product outside of its connection to another entity, like stuff that people just want to wear because they think it's fire.
Speaker 1:So then I went and played basketball on Tuesday night and I got to play on the same team as a guy I've played against a lot of times, which was really fun. He's like a six foot one three point shooter. He's very skinny, one of those pigeon toad shooters who just hunts three point shots. I love playing with guys like that. I can find those guys and he had on this shirt that had this glowing, very, almost electric, like what's the word? Neon, poisonous, green and fuchsia lettering and design and the design of a very enchanting looking woman and it was like this black background with this glowy design on it and I was like, oh, that's what I want to do, for nothing but anarchy. I want something that signals.
Speaker 1:My sister said I'm going to paraphrase she said something like your logo is a little haunting. Like it there's something that underlies, there's an underlying danger to it, you know, and which is Morgan's fantastic artwork. That Morgan thinks is not good enough but I think is really cool, the logo. So, anyway, we're going to put that, we're going to, we're going to make some art here and make it into merch and we need an artist. The point of all this was for me to say we need an artist to work with. So if somebody wants to be the nothing but anarchy merchandising artist, or if you know someone who would be a great candidate, please email us their profile, portfolio, contact info, whatever, to nothing but anarchy pod at gmailcom. Or, if you must, if you're lazy, which is fine, you can email, you can you can DM it to me, but we got to find that artist ASAP, because the inspiration is here and inspiration can go away and I need to get it done ASAP. Um, all right, let's talk about stuff. That was a long preamble, so let's get into it.
Speaker 1:My same friend who's teaching me about online advertising and e commerce. He asked me a question the other day. We were talking about the writer strike and I was talking about writers being flat footed in this moment, knowing that the strike was coming for months and, in some cases, for over a year and more maybe, even if you were really looking down the path, but not knowing what to do to get in Pazizi, to get in perfect Pazizi, perfect position to make use of the time while you're away from work, if you even can afford to do that, because some people got to drive oovers and it is what it is. You got to pay your bills. And he asked me a question that I consider with regards to others very often.
Speaker 1:I am the person who frequently makes considerations to ensure that other people feel safe. I ask people in different ways if they feel safe. I asked them by saying do you feel me? Are you okay? Do you hear me? Um, do you understand what I'm saying? Do you think I understand what you're saying? Uh, I make considerations for other people's safety because, like safety begets the vibe in the room, safety begets the vibe in your life. It begets the vibe at your house, on a date with a friend, at, you know, on a basketball team. If people feel safe, they do better in general, whatever the thing is. That's my point of view, and my friend asked me in a way that I often notice within myself but don't always take specific considerations for do I feel safe in my career? Do I feel? He was comparing me to other writers who are in a very scary moment right now, not knowing whether or not our jobs as screenwriters are even going to return, like if they will, if they will be back or if we will indeed be replaced by robots. He asked me if I felt safe, and I think about this a lot. I just I'm right. I'm fucking hoping I'm done with my book soon. I'm finishing up my book and I've been writing. I'm so ready to be done writing this book, but I've.
Speaker 1:I've been writing about the idea that Google, as an example, as my employer, used to offer me, in exchange for my time, my energy, my best creative output, my thoughts when I wasn't even at work, my dreams on some level, my aspirations, my relationships, my entire being to an extent. In exchange, what it gave me was a check, prestige and the hypnosis of the mirage of safety making me feel like I was safe, making me feel like somebody was taking care of me, benefits, insurance, the idea that I had a career path, I had a trajectory somewhere, a manager who twice a month, would sit down with me in a room and talk to me about my career growth. I haven't had that in a long time. That particular mirage of safety and most of the mirages of safety that I have had have disappeared almost entirely. Like, do I feel safe as a writer in Hollywood? Of course not, and doubly of course not. The way that I'd be in here talking crazy.
Speaker 1:Do I feel safe as an author? Sort of Nobody can stop me from writing a book, somebody might not want to publish it, but the more of you all that are here listening to the sound of my voice, the more of you all that are on our email chain, the more of you all that show up to my Instagram because you think I'm doing cool shit, the safer and safer I am from, a publisher deciding whether or not anybody wants to hear my voice, but still that's not really totally safety. Safe, do I feel safe? Like I'll always have corporate speaking opportunities? No, most of my corporate speaking opportunities happen when something terrible happens to black people. So I mean, on that level, I do feel safe because that probably ain't going nowhere, but like it's unknowable, it's sporadic, I can't predict it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Safety, do I have it? The answer that I came to was the only safety that I feel, which is still God fearing because this can go away. But like, the safety that I feel is in what I have now proven to myself, which I did not know, I hoped that I had a few years ago, which is the ability to adapt, like the ability to watch things crumble. My industry is all fucked up. Y'all see it. You see it, and do you all, believe me, I don't care. I don't care Like I do not. Lose a wink of sleep over Hollywood coming to this moment. Not a single tiny little bit, because the thing that you do, the thing that I do, it can go in any machine. The thing is just ideation, vision and then putting one foot in front of the other.
Speaker 1:Morgan has a question on this docket for later, about completion, about, like, starting a project and finishing it. I know I can do that, I know anybody you can do that. I know, as long as I can do that and as long as I am not above, going outside and doing hand to hand, combat, hand to hand drug sales, to get this shit to my audience, to my customer, like of course I'm. I mean, I'm safe, like you know. If anything else can happen, you know I can get mugged, I can get robbed, I can get all those things. I can fall off a cliff, I don't I. You know planes are scary, I do. All those things are scary.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm not talking about that stuff, but I'm talking about, like, can the industry, can an agent, can a studio executive, can a powerful person with a big Rolodex turn my lights off? Hell, no, hell, no, no, cause they didn't turn my lights on. You know what I'm saying. Like there's always a new technology, there's always. You know what I'm saying. Like this one shuts me down. Great, I'm over here now. I'll pop up over there because and it's it's not even to say my audience is so big I can just move them from here to here.
Speaker 1:It's, it's not about that. It's about, like I know I can generate momentum, I know I can get something going, I know I can huh. So I'm glad he asked me that, because it reminded me that on some level a bit a major level I don't feel safe. Like I know that this shit might not get rewired in Hollywood and to an extent that excites me because it forces me to try something, it forces me to use my creative power in other ways. It forces that on me and I don't know who else is going to be able to do it. I know I can do it. I don't know who else can play here. I don't know who else can. I don't know who else can do this.
Speaker 1:Like, I know some people who look down their nose at me and allow me to start being petty. I know some people who thought they were sweet because they were a fucking supervising story editor or some dumb ass made up shit like that. I know some people who thought it was sweet because they had jobs at Black-ish instead of Gron-ish, they had jobs on Atlanta instead of rap shit. I know some people. But but can you if nigga? That's a real deep cut of an inside joke right there. But like, can you fucking if nigga? I, I feel giddy. I just feel so minus the good people. I don't want nothing bad for them, but I feel so giddy to watch people have to learn these skills that we and I'm talking to the outside group have had to adapt to find our seat with the inside group. I'm so excited to watch I I feel like I'm sounding anti labor and I'm not. I promise I'm not. Like I am pro union. Okay, I'm here to tell you I'm pro union, but do niggas or do people are so fucking smug, man, you're so smug, you are. So you, anybody with your fucking MFA? You know what I'm saying? Oh, I went to this school. I went to that school Like I'm watching my sister have her first book published with none of that.
Speaker 1:No, fucking, she didn't have any kind of ready made network for the publishing industry. She doesn't live in New York, she doesn't live in Los Angeles. It's out of her brain, it's out of her fingertips, it's coming from hustle, it's coming from strategizing. It's coming from making two plus two equal five. I'm ready to watch, I'm ready for us to come up and for y'all niggas to sink into the ocean. I'm ready to watch, I'm ready. I'm so ready. So, not so I can watch you sink, but so that I can charge you for a life raft, so then you can float. Okay, that's it for that. That's how I feel. I mean, I don't care, it's not on topic, it's not about sports, but I am unhinged. I'm like, I'm giddy, I'm excited about this moment and it's hurt. It's hurt my pockets. That's the other thing I want y'all to know. Y'all down. I'm down too, but I'm about to come up, because this is the cycle. Like this, is it? This is alchemy. All right enough, fuck it. Enough. Enough, chad, shut up. All right Music, and then we're going to come back and talk about all that shit on the docket, real quick. Yes, that's right, that was the song. It was burning down the house. All right. So, stephen, a Smith and name drops, let's talk about it. All right, stephen A Smith is doing a media tour right now.
Speaker 1:He seems to be preparing to make his jump out of ESPN. It seems like he is testing his voice on other platforms for new audiences. He was just recently on the Joe Budden podcast and I really hate to keep telling y'all this because I know, I know, I know, I know, I know y'all, I feel you Joe Budden is so fucking good at this job, like he is so much better than people know that he is at this job because and it's because of his shit, like it's because of his, his um, it's because of the bad and dumb things he has done to people. But he is fucking world class as far as people who have done bad and ugly things to other people are concerned, people like the Tucker Carlson's of the world and stuff like he's better than them. Joe Rogan, he's better, he is better at this job than those people and but he's black, so his market's smaller. And he had Stephen A Smith on the show did a fantastic interview with Stephen A Smith.
Speaker 1:Most even a Smith's interviews make me want to give myself a lobotomy because they are so boring and scripted and just like he's not saying anything but he's doing theatrics and people think that's saying something and it's not. But in this one he said some real shit, a couple of things. He said one he revealed that I have not heard anyone reveal so explicitly that Shannon was pushed out the door at Fox. I think that it's been said, it's been talked around in ways that maybe they weren't going to renew his contract. Maybe this may that it sounds like he's someone at Fox. Probably skip was like no more Shannon, he's out. He also said that that is basically what he did to Max Kellerman.
Speaker 1:Again, it's been posited, it's been talked around that Stephen A I mean Stephen A himself has even said in different ways he was ready to get rid of Max. But he hadn't ever said explicitly I did not like working with him, so I got rid of him. That's what he said and he doesn't feel remorseful about it. And I don't think he should, because who needs him? Who needs Max? Anyway, what the fuck even is Max? If we needed him, we would know where. Do you know where he's at?
Speaker 3:I got no clue.
Speaker 1:This is what I've. I've tried to say this and I'm going to say this explicitly so you can on these big platforms, the people who people say they are fans of, you're not fans of these people. You guys are not Jalen Rose fans. You don't know where Jalen is right now. You are ESPN fans. You're fans of the production that they do. You take this guy, you swap him, right, it's like, and you don't even notice that people are gone. Y'all don't know where Jalen Rose is right now. You don't know what he's doing for a living. You don't see his face, you don't. You're not looking for him, you don't even think about him. I'm a Bon Monte Jones fan. Wherever he pops up again, I'll be there. I need to know what Bon Monte Jones has to say about some shit. I don't care if it's ESPN Fox, uh, lebertards network the ringer, I'll be there. But the rest of these jokers jokers, that's a fucking uncle ass way to call somebody. But like the rest of these niggas, like I don't care, max Kellerman, I don't care. Disappear, I don't care. But Stephen A Smith is trying to find out if he has brand translate translatability. I just made that up. Basically, he's trying to figure out if he can leave ESPN and still keep his shit going. That's what he's trying to figure out right now. That's why he keeps going on these other platforms.
Speaker 1:I want to make an observation on what Stephen A does, and he's been doing it literally for 20 years. More than that he, early on, made his bones talking about how close he was with Allen Iverson. Sports reporters do this the LeBron James, dewayne, wade, heat Bowie, dan LeBretard to a different level of national stardom, brian Wynne Horst has ridden LeBron James Cotails to where he is in the sports media world. Stephen A Smith took my favorite athlete, allen Iverson, and held on to his shoelaces until people knew who Stephen A Smith was. People do this. They do it across media, the point being, people will ride other famous people's Cotails until they have their own shit going on. We've talked about it before. I will be the first to say I would not be in the position I'm in without Spike Lee, julie Bowen, dax Shepard, others. People who have big brands have lent their brand to me in exchange for creative work. That's the trade-off. But reporters are different.
Speaker 1:Allen Iverson doesn't get anything from having a dedicated Stephen A Smith hanging on his shoelaces. That does nothing for him. Allen Iverson is building a market for Stephen A Smith that Allen Iverson does not get to trade on. In fact, in some ways, it was probably harmful to Allen Iverson's brand to have Stephen A Smith lurking around knowing all his dirty laundry. But today, stephen A Smith does the same thing he's been doing for years, which is he goes on every platform and the most random people who are famous he will just name, drop them through the conversation and tell you like yeah, you know Mitt Romney, like he's a good friend of mine, and I was talking to him on the phone the other day. He does that, he does a lot of that. Like he's a good friend of mine. Someone says a good friend of mine. I was like okay, like what? First of all, what is a friend to you, bro Josh?
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on. I didn't know you had a secretly good Stephen A. I didn't know I had a secret. I was like, can we talk about that for a second?
Speaker 1:Holy shit, I didn't know, I didn't know I had a secret. I am so self-conscious about whether or not I can bring it back, but let me try, maybe I'll get back to it. But, like the point being, stephen A Smith is always name checking everybody in his phone because he wants us to know. He gets to hang out among famous people which, by the way, I want to say that also like some of the most famous people, and now here I go Watch. So this is where I'm going, but some of the most famous people I know also do that same thing in even just in casual conversation. They want you to know. I know Dave Chappelle, I know fucking Roger Goodell, I know Randy Ma. It's like it's a thing people are trading on.
Speaker 1:But my question for y'all is this because Morgan sent me a Kanye West clip, like a Kanye West nugget, an article, right, something that Kanye West did, which the thing itself less important, I think, than what I'm going with this, which is what is the what? How do I thread the needle properly on name dropping in my own work, because I have better stories than I have presented to have about famous people who I have been around, but I always feel a little, I always rush through the stories because while I'm in them I'm wondering, oh my God, like, is this person judging me for telling this story? Is this person judging me for name checking right now? And I always, but like, I'm interested in stories, real stories about people who I see but don't know. So this is all preface to I'm about to tell a Kanye West story and I want to know from whoever wants to give me the feedback is this interesting to you? Do you like this? Or is it like give it a rest, dog? We don't need to know that, we don't care. We don't need to know about this thing from your interactions with Kanye. So here it goes and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1:So the article that Morgan sent me is regarding Kanye West wanting to transform his Malibu home into a bomb shelter. And then there's details which I don't want to get into them, but they point to again Kanye West being unwell. You know what I mean. That's what a lot of the Kanye West stuff points to, and I'm always nervous when we form a consensus around somebody. I'm always skeptical in those moments. I think Kanye, by his own admission, has mental health issues, but I think some things that we chalk up to being a result of him being unwell, may also just be results of his personality maturing into the form that it's in now, in his 40s, versus who we knew him to be in his 20s and 30s. This might just be some of the arc of the person that we all rallied around, and that's something we got to sit with is that we liked it. We were on board when it was aligned with stuff that we liked, and now it's aligned with stuff that we don't like. And his art is still fantastic, in my opinion. It's not as dope as it once was, but it's still better than 95% of the shit that's out here, point. Let me get to the point so this reminded me of.
Speaker 1:I am aware of how detached the famous people in my life are from reality, and by that I mean they have layers of insulation between themselves and the masses or something. As an example, many of them send me stuff. If they're musicians, they'll send me like an unfinished song. If they are writers, they'll send me. Or if they're directors, they'll send me a rough cut of something. If they are in products and merchandising with their brand like if they have a big brand they'll send me a sample of their thing, like of their I don't know candles, and when I get those things, I oftentimes don't know what it is that they actually want for me in response. Do they want honest feedback? Do they want me to just say, yo, this is fire, keep going. Do they want me to not say anything? I get rough cuts of movies, as y'all know. Do they want, like, what do they want? What do they want for me? What do they want? I always know, so sometimes I ask hey, how do you want me to engage with this? Do you want feedback? Do you want thoughts? Do you want criticism? Like what do you want?
Speaker 1:Some people are able to give an honest answer to that. Some people are not even really able to find their honesty in that, but the point is I know oftentimes they're sharing it with me because and now we're really getting into the house of mirrors a part of how people see me is that I am authentic and like, whether or not that's even true, probably only I can know, but that's how people see me. Do you guys agree with that, yes or no? Morgan says yes, yeah. Josh says yes. So I think they are expecting that what I'm going to give back to them is something authentic, like something that reflects at least how I feel, if not reality. But I am not see-through in that way. I'm not perfect that way. I am still affected by the dynamics at play. If that person is someone who I need to stay close to me for my work, for my opportunities, I am also affected by giving them what they want back. I hope I'm not getting too into the weeds of this. That is to say, I know that they want authenticity, so instead of just being authentic, I start looking for authenticity, which distorts the signal. If you're looking for authenticity instead of just being authentic, that already is too contrived. I'm going way too far down the path. So I'm going to come back.
Speaker 1:I've talked about at length hanging around Kanye West, but I haven't talked specifically about these one or two things. So at this time period again, it was five years ago before I had a writing credit to my name, which I always think is an interesting thing, because I have not since hung around Kanye West. But this is before. Slavery is a choice and all that other shit Hanging around these guys playing basketball, going to the movies, going to brunch, going to Kanye's house and going to Kanye's house. See how I'm rushing, but in going to Kanye's house I got to sign an NDA to walk into the house. Inside the house is Kim Kardashian, million dollar baby bassinet. I've said these things before, but one thing I have not talked about. That struck me later, two things. One thing I was told before you meet Kanye if you have anything good to say about Donald Trump, say it when you meet him. Have I already told you all that? Have I told you that?
Speaker 3:New information for me?
Speaker 1:No, that's very new information. I was told before we walked in the house if you have anything good to say about Donald Trump, say it when you meet, yay, or say it in the house. And I didn't have anything good to say, so I didn't say nothing. But that's one. That one is just a fun factoid. That one's just crazy, right? That shit is like. I mean, that tells you how intentionally the layers of insulation are built, because we all got to suckle at the teat of this person. So just don't fuck it up Because, like I said, my mom told me eventually these people will cast you off anyway. So, like, keep it going as long as you can is the general decorum of Hollywood. That's your thing.
Speaker 1:When we were hooping, there would be people there, everybody there. The hoops was networking. Okay, because, frankly, I was the best guy out there and like I'm not, like I'm not tall, I am not in high school shape anymore this was five years ago and I wasn't in high school shape. Like I'm pretty good, but I'm not. I'm not that Like I should. Among guys who really hoop, it's rare that I should be the best guy out there. Now, when I say it's networking, what I mean is everybody there was a, a like a high level version of something. We have a. We have a multi-millionaire producer. We have a Navy SEAL who trains people. We have one of the one of the United States most prominent dietitians, who is the dietitian, basically the drug dealer to all the famous people in Los Angeles. We have, and then, you know, we have other, you know, musicians and rappers and actors and whatever, like they cycle in and out as we play hoops over these, however many months, and there was one guy there who is what is this guy? I guess he's a doctor, his name was Harley and I and I won't, I won't forget that because it was an unusual name and, morgan, I'm looking for the note you sent me. Oh, so, when Kanye was having what I think we all sort of presumed to be like an episode of some kind a couple of years ago and he was saying cra I shouldn't say crazy, but he was just saying outlandish things on the internet, threatening people, talking about he was going to expose people, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, oh, and then, specifically, he said I don't remember what he said, but he said something bad, something anti-Semitic, and then he posted a screenshot of a text message from Harley on the internet and it says this Harley says I'm going to help you one of a couple ways. Dot dot dot. This is him texting Kanye.
Speaker 1:First, you and I sit down and have a loving and open conversation, but you don't use cuss words and everything that is discussed is based in fact and not some crazy stuff that dumb friend of yours told you or you saw in a tweet. Now let's take that alone. It's a little aggressive, but sometimes when your friend is tripping out and it's hurting you and it's making you mad, it gets like that. It can get a little tense. You try not to be like that, but hey, maybe that's their relationship. That's also how people talk to each other sometimes. Whatever, I don't judge it.
Speaker 1:Second, this is where it gets scary. Second option I have you institutionalized again, where they medicate the crap out of you and you go back to zombie land forever. Play date with the kids just won't be the same. That's fucking terrifying. That is a very scary threat to somebody, which is to say I am someone closely in your circle, someone who would probably be believed to know your state and someone who could tell the authorities. You are so far gone that you need to be institutionalized and drugged out and drugged out of your mind to the point where you're not even yourself anymore.
Speaker 1:That is scary, and why I sort of bring it up is because when I'm telling you all that I can feel around these people who name, check each other, who transact on each other, on friendships with each other, the people in the Instagram photos you got Mila and Ashton sitting here and here's Jennifer Aniston when I tell you, when I'm in the spaces around these people, I can feel like a little I don't even know what something with antennas. I can feel what is so rarely made explicit in the way of that text message that level of threatening, dark, dangerous energy between these people, like the way that they have each other ensnared in these tangled games of chess, of leverage chess. Well, I know this thing about you, but you know this thing about me, but I got you this opportunity but you slept with that person, but it's all right there and to cope with it all they are fucking drugged out, like they are the way that you know. I got some friends who will like fuck with some casual drugs, have fun on a weekend or whatever, like, not like that, like prescribed, overly medicated. They are so out of their minds to be able to forget about this.
Speaker 1:That's underlying in a way. That is like when people say that that shit is that shit. It's not for play-play, it's not. It's not even as sweet as it seems and it seems ugly. It seems like, oh, it'll hurt your feelings, it'll make you depressed, it'll, whatever. No, it's like the underlying threats are on your person. They are on the the, the chess that is there is about like these. This is the shit. Okay.
Speaker 1:So I guess if I had to put a thesis to all of it, it's like it just goes so much darker than I think people understand. It goes so like I think people get it in in headline, but and this is like, hey, man Kanye's fucked up, he does a lot of dumb shit Did some of the sort of. I wish there were more people revealing things like this in mass. Like this is like something that should be on WikiLeaks. That is a very scary and dangerous threat to a person. That's it, all right, we'll play some music and then I'll be back, back, back, back, back, back back, all right. Um, this is why I'm so exhausted when I walk out of here, because I use a lot of energy doing this show, but let's continue. So next thing I want to talk about is when?
Speaker 1:In what cases is it acceptable to say I told you so to somebody? I told you so is like one of the most. It is one of the most annoying and prickly crimes of social decorum For somebody to go through something and then, on the back end of that thing, for somebody who was close to them to be like I told you, like I fucking told you don't try that, don't date that person, don't, you know? Don't leave that club, don't do this, don't do that, don't take that job. I told you. It's like because the person already knows you told them and now you just want to do a 360 on their head. This is, but this is where I think it is Okay.
Speaker 1:Quincy jumped on my Instagram live earlier and talked about some reasons why Deon Sanders is not somebody to applaud, and I already talked about those, so I'm not going to recount them. But the Deon Sanders ship has really left the station. He's got a prime time game on Saturday night against Colorado State, which is not a great team. His team is 2 and 0 Colorado and Deon Sanders. I think Deon Sanders ruffles the feathers of white guys specifically because he's too rich to need them. He is too smart to play dumb for them. He is too confident to placate them. He is too excellent for them to like. He is excellent in a way that makes them insecure, and now his sons, his children, his offspring seem to have a lot of that same. He is reproducing something that is that makes them feel very small, and it feels like it looks like at the moment, even though they are, many of them are profiting from this ship that's out, the station that he has created, looks like they can't stop them. Looks like they can't stop them.
Speaker 1:And what I love about Deon Sanders, despite the things Quincy tells me to not like about him, is that he knew he was this great and he told us he told us from the time he was 20 at Florida State I am great. And then he's great. And you watch him. He says again I'm great. Then you watch him be great. And then he says I'm great, and then you watch him be great. He tells you and then it happens he's honestly. Deon Sanders has built some level of trust with us in that regard.
Speaker 1:A lot of times, when people tell you that they're, that you start waiting for the moment that they're not that so that you can jump in and be like they were wrong and that never, it's never happened to Deon Sanders.
Speaker 1:It's not happening. It's not happening at Colorado, and every time he gets in front of a camera or someone who tried to say the thing you're not actually that, he takes the time to say I fucking told you, I was that, I told you. Like when are y'all gonna believe me? I keep telling you I'm that and I'm that, and then you watch me be it and you keep trying to find the moment when I'm not it, but I'm that, I am that. So now this is what happened. This is why this is newsworthy. The Colorado State coach said regarding Deon Sanders, and I quote it was like a subtweet quote when I talked to grownups, I take my hat and glasses off, because that's what my mother taught me. Morgan, please can you Google this person and make sure that he's white before I get to my next point, because if he's not, it's gonna ruin everything I have to say about this.
Speaker 2:Not, maybe not everything. It's Jay Norvell and he looks.
Speaker 1:Can I see a picture of him? Oh man, yeah, he's super white, so that image also is pretty. That's a quite. Did you see the image? It's like Deon with these super shiny sunglasses next to this guy who's like snarling like an overseer. Oh, that's funny. So look man, my sister said something to me earlier today.
Speaker 1:She chatted it to me. Me and my sister always pregame anarchy. We always talk before anarchy. And we were talking about some people who we know and their presences on the internet. Me and my sister be really surveilling the shit out of people. We get really in our bag, breaking down a human being to their character elements in a way that is enjoyable to us and hopefully healthy, but I'm not sure. And we were talking about people's online presences and my sister G chatted to me after the conversation. She was like, in so many words, she was just like no, I'll just read exactly what she said and I quote Most people can't just say anything they want on the internet. I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna bring that back around.
Speaker 1:But what's happening with Dion Sanders here is he keeps telling people he's great. He keeps telling people, whatever it is the fuck that he wants to say His son, who's out there, a quarterback? Who's out there putting himself in danger to also back up? This shit is now chiming in on it. And why guys don't like that? Why guys don't like that? They don't like that. They do not fucking like that. They don't like black man with sunglasses who was already rich, who was already great at something, now telling us he's great, dunking on our heads, dancing, chains on turnover thrown. They don't like that. And now this guy is trying to say subtly not even that subtly when I talk to grownups, I take my hat and glasses off because that's what my mother taught me. Like. That is condescending, bro. You're talking about Dion fucking Sanders. You are a wannabe, up and coming or something. You coach Colorado State dog. You coach like the 250th best college team. And you're talking about how Dion Sanders should toe the line to talk to a reporter. You're talking about take your sunglasses and your hat off, bro. Let me get to the point.
Speaker 1:The point is, I had to really examine, I have, I am in a state of examining what people can and cannot say and do and why they can't, why they can or cannot. As far as I'm concerned, dion Sanders can say and do whatever he wants as it regards the sport of football, because he has performed at every level of football. Like he is the expert. He is the expert from every lens offense, defense, coaching. Like there is nothing. Somebody can tell Dion Sanders about football. He should thusly be able to handle football as he sees fit. Nobody, like nobody, should tell Steven Spielberg anything about what he wants to say about making movies. Nobody should tell Serena Williams anything about what she wants to say about tennis. These people, in my opinion, should be as arrogant as they want to.
Speaker 1:It connects to what my sister said loosely, but I'm trying to force it. I've been swirling that, that idea in my head. Why who can't say what they want to say on the internet and why and I know the practical implications are well, if you have a job, if you have a husband or a wife who doesn't like you doing X-Y's, if you want your kids to see you a certain way, if you want, if you want job prospects to remain open, if you want business prospects to remain open, and then I, and then I, I think the expected next step, that I think what you all would expect me to say here is well, those are all choices and you know those are choices someone's making to value, and if that's what they value, then they're choosing not to say other things to represent themselves. That's not actually what I feel. I get the practicality of all that. What I actually feel is I think everybody has those considerations to make. Like, who is the exception to that as a rule, would be my question, and I'll use myself as the guinea pig Cause I'm not all the way. I'm not Cardi B, where it's like I mean, let's take Cardi B out of it. Like, I'm not like someone with an only fans who truly can present themselves however they want to on the internet or to an extent. But I feel like I can be pretty, pretty open with my point of view and yet, like, I have all those same considerations to make.
Speaker 1:Now, I don't have a husband or wife, I don't have children, but I do have, like, I do have to consider, if I want to, like I could make considerations for how is this going to come across, how will this affect my money, how will this change my relationships? And I and frankly, like, and I do so. I guess what I'm saying is I just I wonder where exactly is the line on who gets to be Dion Sanders and talk their shit on the front end and not worry about the results, because the results are going to back back Like I don't know if. Would I be out of pocket to say like, uh, you know, five years from now, I think that this show will be one of the biggest shows, wherever you want to call it on the internet, on TV, I don't know what it's like. Well, I just think it'll be a giant show.
Speaker 1:Am I out of pocket if I say some shit like that? Am I out of pocket if I say, fuck, so and so, like I worked with them and they were an asshole? Am I out of pocket to question, um, am I out of pocket to say, like, the question I would ask Kenny Barris is like, is this trade off worth it to you? Am I out of pocket, like to say, to say things about people who I know I'm going to see in real life, to ask questions about people who are in my real text messages, like who are in my real life? Am I out of pocket for that? Or like, do we actually all have that same freedom? I guess don't. Do we actually all have that same power and we, for whatever reason like choose to believe that we don't. I guess that's the question I asked. Do you have a way in here, morgan? I don't know if I've been super clear.
Speaker 2:I was going to say anxiety, anxiety, yes, like putting it in your saying you can't do all those things because you're predicting what those results will be in a negative way, versus just like letting yourself go.
Speaker 1:You're saying anxiety is something that would slow the train down. On that, yeah, I think that it is anxiety, I think it's mostly. I think it is largely self-manufactured in a lot of ways. Like, I don't think we generally test it, I don't think we push it enough to really know, like, what will get my hand slapped down, like what will get me put out of here, and I know that that's what conservatism is, I know that's what playing it safe is is you can't bump up against the rails, because if you do, you might not be able to recover from the consequences of that. I don't know, I've talked too long about it, but I just wonder if we make up the boogeyman more than we really need to. All right, I'm going to. I don't. That segment was just okay. I didn't like I didn't thread it, well, but we're going to play some music and then we'll be back and I'll do better. Morgan, will you please take the microphone?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:All right, this was impromptu. But, Morgan, you've said you texted me that you met a fan, a fan of mine and a fan of the shows in the wild. Was she a fan of the show or a fan of me? A?
Speaker 2:fan of you.
Speaker 1:Had she ever heard the show.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay, tell me, can you recount the experience please?
Speaker 2:I went to one of your favorite things, which was a networking thing, and I met this girl and we were talking and she said that she does events and producing and blah, blah, blah. And then I mentioned like oh, you should come to this launch party that we're doing for this podcast that I produce. And she's like oh, like what's the podcast? And I said blah, blah, chad Sanders. And she goes wait, I know him Is that. And then she mentioned like I think it was with Teen Vogue, I think you did like an article with them.
Speaker 1:That was my first published thing that I've ever done, really Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that she really admired your career switch from tech to creative and like leaving up behind. She doesn't come from tech, but she's done like something similar, where she's moved from one industry to another and yeah, and it was, it was great. I was like, oh my God, yeah, chad's the best.
Speaker 1:Thanks. How did it make you feel, Morgan?
Speaker 2:I mean it's always nice. I'm like, oh yeah, like Chad fans in the wild.
Speaker 1:And you said, you said you were like I think you can be the job. What did you say? Oh, I said you had a drink.
Speaker 2:Wow, I said you're like no, I said I think I said it wasn't a thought through thing, but I was like, oh, you're like the pivot guy in the sense of I feel like that's something admirable the spear or not the spearhead, but someone who encourages people to not be afraid of an industry switch.
Speaker 1:Okay, cool. Well, besides an ego stroke, this is audience development, because I have found Morgan, it's okay to have a drink.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, stop talking, move on.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm sorry I can't now. Okay, I will, I will. I shall it's audience development because I don't know. It's like Morgan, what's wrong.
Speaker 2:Nothing, keep going, stay on topic.
Speaker 1:Okay, so well. This is supposed to be a sports show and it is kind of, but like the audience seems to be telling us that they want it to be like a social commentary show about whatever is sort of at the top of the popular zeitgeist and a show about life transition, job transition, audience development. I know, I hope that doesn't sound boring, but just like it sounds like that's a lot of what. A lot of people who are here I don't even think are really sports fans. I don't even think they care about sports at all. I think they. I think it seems like that's really what y'all want to hear about and want to talk about. And I'm also judging from the questions that I get on my Instagram, because I don't lead people anywhere in those questions. I just say ask me a question. There are no dumb questions and 80% of the questions end up being about how to make your project, how to, you know, fight the voices in your head, how to sacrifice things and transition and move away from certain things and et cetera, like, and none of the questions are about sports. So just an observation as we keep building this thing as we go, but I'm going to do one more docket item and then we are going to get to the Morgan, we're going to get to your how to finish a project question and we're going to get into some other, some other questions from the internet. Do we have any other questions? Yeah, we do.
Speaker 1:Okay, so here's the thing Morgan sent me. It's about beef. All right, beef has a new. It has. It's a new thing. So beef is not anymore really about violence, as much as it's just about two people not liking each other, and it seems to often have to do with like stuff that happens on the internet. So there's three beefs listed here, quote unquote beefs Justin Timberlake and Meg the stallion, Olivia Rodrigo don't know who that is and Taylor Swift, kid Cudi and Timothy Shalameh Timothy Shalameh and all these beefs.
Speaker 1:I guess the underlying thread across all these beefs are, the thread that goes through all of them, is that they're not real beefs. They're like invented beefs by the internet, and that made me think about the public beef is a thing like. It's like a, it's a media, it's a click driver. The public beef like this person and this person and we get shady comments and photos and weirdness and all this other shit. But let's put that aside. It made me think about that's, that's, that's a dog and pony show, like that's, that's both. That's a house of mirrors, that's like something invented sort of. But here's my question to each of you, morgan and Josh, as proxy for the entire audience how many of the people in your life who you do not like Imagine three faces? You got them, find them. You got them. How many of those three people know that you don't like them?
Speaker 3:Two out of the three.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, it's pretty high, yeah, morgan.
Speaker 2:I'm still trying to get my faces in my head, but I would say one out of the three.
Speaker 1:Okay, and I asked that question because for I have I think it's hard sometimes to even admit first that I don't like somebody. It's hard for me to even admit it to myself when they're in my life, and part of it, I think there's a few different reasons. I think one is I've always had a weird thing about, like I've always been. It's always been hard for me to like walk away from people. I've always been awkward at it. I've always been probably too harsh at it in a way, which is that I just disappear entirely because I can't take the. I just can't take the goodbye, like I can't take the, like the whole thing. And then I obviously I'm in this industry. I'm in these industries where, like, we don't have offices, so we don't have coworkers that we have to see, we have people that we need to stay in our networks, so we got to like it has to be built on something, so like we form a friendship. Quote unquote. You know what I mean. But I was just thinking about people who I knew. For some part of me knew for years. I don't even like this person, and they're still around me. Do they know I don't like them? Do they secretly all like. I wonder. So if the answer is one out of three, if there's three people out there who don't like you, like maybe that means that you only know who one out of three of them are Like I. That's another thing that sometimes I don't know until I see a face at homecoming that somebody doesn't like me. You know what I mean. Like sometimes I don't know till we make eye contact and they, they give me a look Like sometimes you don't even know so and maybe you're not supposed to know, but like I think there is way less beef real beef than is than is supposed. Because we miss we, we miss the, we miss, we miss each other so much Like we when I mean miss, I mean like we don't get each other's signal so much Like people think that they're likable and they're not, and they think they're charming and they're not, or they think the opposite.
Speaker 1:They think they're not and they are, and people think they're coming off one way, but they're coming off like they're unself-aware. They think they think their jokes are landing because people fake laugh and they you know what I mean, and a fake laugh makes you dislike somebody more because it's all that shit. You know what I mean. So that whole thing got me just to thinking about where is it? When is it real? I have a face in my head. Right now there's somebody in my life who I know thinks I think they're super smart and I'm like this person is an idiot and I don't know what to do with that, because I'm not going to tell them they're an idiot. You know what I mean? I just like I just got to keep thinking it until either until my point of view changes, which is possible, or until they're out of my life. You know, but that's it really. I don't know. Can I ask you all yes, morgan.
Speaker 2:I was going to say but you hit on something really real there which was like we don't have co-work, we don't have like workspaces where we have coworkers, so like you do have to build some sort of friendship to keep those people in your network, because then it's weird if you never speak to them and then like something comes up because you haven't been like watering that relationship, like there's nothing else to keep us together. Right yeah, because you're not doing anything, but you want to keep them. It is weird, that is weird.
Speaker 1:Yes, I remember, probably five years ago, I was sitting with my friend Garth, who worked at a hedge fund at the time, and Amanda, who I mentioned earlier, who's a producer, called me. We were talking about a project we were working on and she and I probably spent the first seven minutes of that conversation like shooting the shit about life, you know what I mean. And then we talked about work for 10 minutes and then we hung up and he was like y'all are so weird. Why do you guys like? Why do you like? When I talk to my coworkers, I don't want to know about their real life, I just want to exchange the information that we have to transact on and like get out of here. And I didn't understand it at the moment, I didn't think it through in the moment, but part of it is like what you're saying, morgan, it's like there's no other unless we become real friends. There's no, there's nothing else binding us here. And I and I know that. That's why, another time, like Jason, I was in the phone with Jason. I was in the phone, I was in the car with Jason and I was on the phone Jason Crane and I got a call from somebody I was working with at the time and at the end of the call that person was like all right, I love you, and I just set it back but like didn't even really think about it, even though it did.
Speaker 1:Every time people say that in our what, morgan, yes, nothing, keep stop talking. And then, and every time somebody says that in my industry they, like Julie says it to me all the time and I and Julie Bowen and I used to tell her at the beginning like I'm just not ready to say I love you and then eventually I just started saying it because I think I actually did start loving her. But that's a thing is like this microwaved intimacy in our industry where it's like we have to form this, because also part of it is we talked about the beginning like you need safety to bring out the vibe so that the work can do, can go well, and so you got to microwave this, the feeling of safety you got, which is like I guess people think telling somebody you love them, sleeping with them, whatever makes them feel like you love them, like they're safe, and so then like the vibe can come out. But I don't even remember what the point of this was Fake beef. So yeah, fake beef, fake beef, impossible burgers. All right, I'm gonna play some music and then I'm gonna come back and we are going to do a little, a couple of these ask Chad's, and then we're going to get out of here Such a good song, man, it was so cool when Jay-Z was cool, all right.
Speaker 1:So, morgan, as a last thread, on that bit about like we have to kind of stay in, I think, sort of naturally I like people, I like I hit them up, that's just it. And people I don't. I don't hit them up. But Morgan was just saying she's going to dinner with a couple of people tonight and you know, people got, we got to stay in each other's memories and I was actually it's funny because Morgan is an expert at this. I think Morgan naturally has the connecting fiber to stay in touch with people. But Morgan, it was making me think about how, like the trajectory of our relationship, which is that we were introduced by Amanda under what pretense, I can't even remember.
Speaker 2:I literally just think I met her at work and she was like oh, you should really meet this guy too, and she just thought we would vibe.
Speaker 1:Right, and then we went to coffee and we talked about work and stuff. I was trying to fix this and stuff.
Speaker 2:And ended abruptly because you forgot you had a meeting and you just started talking on the phone.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, wow, you just made me sound very Hollywood shit. Yeah, that happened. And then where did it go from there? You came in dogs at Penny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I started dogs at it. Yeah, I wanted to work with you. I like I, and then you're like you want to watch my dog. I'm like sure, Wow, I put in my time. Wow, I need help.
Speaker 1:I mean he didn't help man, Like I don't know. I mean, hey, and so then she came and she babysat Penny for once or twice and then, and then this thing came up. I mean you stayed in touch, Like you. You, you always reached out, like every few months or so, and you're just like, hey, I'm working.
Speaker 2:No, I think it was like once a month at least.
Speaker 1:And then, um yeah, and then this came up and it was like, oh duh, here it goes, but that's how it happens. Anyway, I don't know if that's valuable to anybody. There you go, but that happened. All right, let's get to the point. So you sent me a Chris Brown clip, a Chris Brown.
Speaker 2:What are these called Articles? Oh an article.
Speaker 1:Right, she's 2023. You sent me a Chris Brown article and I'm having a hard time finding it on the docket. Can you remind me where it? Can you show me? Oh, I just put the question in. Okay, and basically it pointed to the fact that Chris Brown shared that he has was it?
Speaker 1:15,000 songs unreleased songs doesn't surprise me, because he is, uh, in addition to being a woman abuser, he is someone who makes a lot of music and um music that I guess a lot of people probably still listen to and go to his shows, and all the other shit. Um, morgan went to one of his shows.
Speaker 2:Why would you say that?
Speaker 1:Okay, cut it out.
Speaker 2:But there's people listening. I didn't pay for the ticket, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:All right. So the point, I think, was that I'm sorry, morgan, I'm sorry, okay. I think the point was that Morgan wanted to talk about how do you finish things. Can you say exactly what your question was that you wrote down?
Speaker 2:I said, I feel like a lot of creatives have not 15,000 worth, but like a lot of things that are maybe like unfinished or the projects they put to the side and never went back to, and I was wondering what your like experiences finishing things. Do you put all of your energy into one thing at a time? Or, like, what do you do with the things that you put off to the side? How do you make sure you go back to them? If you do, do you have unfinished things?
Speaker 1:I have so many unfinished things. I will tell you how many notes I have in my notes pad right now. The number is at right now, 1,502. And each note I wouldn't say all 1500 of those, but probably like 1200 of those are various projects that I'm like are in some stage of like me trying to flesh them out to the point where they can grow into something real and maybe only like of those 1500, maybe like 15 will actually become something. But I am not someone who locks in entirely on one thing at a time and I think I'm going to sort of grow in that direction a little bit.
Speaker 1:But it requires Brian asked a question like this on Instagram regarding this. It requires having stewards of each project to make sure that I can look away from them while and that they will still be okay. Like Morgan, it's important that you are here as the steward of nothing but anarchy so that if I ever have to like take two weeks and just lock in on my book, I can do that. If you're not here, then, like, I am frazzled wondering is this show going to be okay while I go and try to do that thing? When I went to go write for rap shit. I needed Amanda to make sure that direct deposit continued to grow at Audible the way that it had to. So for me it requires like partnership and trust to be able to multitask.
Speaker 1:I am the person who sits down at my computer in the kitchen, puts the coffee on the pot, goes and takes the dog the bag of dog food, you know out of the closet to feed Penny, then accidentally walks into the bathroom with the bag of dog food, then the pot is going crazy and then I sit back at my computer and I don't even know why I opened it up in the first place. That's like. That's why I'm chaotic and, honestly, like. That is probably sometimes why it's hard to live with me, because I'm like I am so many places at once and I would like to try to start being. The reason why I like doing this is because I get to be all the way here at one time. You know what I mean. That's why it's fun. That's why like acting is fun. That's why like sports are fun, because they make me singular, like they pull my attention into one outlet. But I am always working on multiple things, however, the stuff that gets to like.
Speaker 1:If something gets to like the 30% point. It has to get all the way done, like if I've given it enough to get it to 30%, like I can't, I have to finish it. You know what I mean, cause that's so much I've already sunk the cost I have to. I must decide before it gets to the to the one quarter mark, like either it's worth my time and energy or it's not. And if it's not I need to just put it away until maybe it comes back one day.
Speaker 1:I think about the finish line all the time. I'm always in the book the Alchemist it talks about. I forgot exactly what it was, but it's like, let's just say it's like an egg or something. You gotta be able to carry the egg on the spoon while walking toward the goal. You gotta be able to look close and far at the same time, cause, like these are points on the board, each project, like nothing else can happen without these points on the board. Like nothing, nothing else gets a chance. I don't get to write on rap shit unless I write black magic. Like I don't get to do nothing but anarchy unless I do direct deposit. I don't get to do my next show unless I do quitters. So they got it like they have to get. It's like life or death. Like they have to get finished, the ones that have a chance. They have to get finished.
Speaker 1:I remember I'll say something personal and I'm gonna evoke my sister again and I'm sorry if I'm giving up a privacy, but, like I've said a hundred times, my sister is going to be published next month and she's been a writer since we were little tiny kids. My sister was a. My sister was probably the smartest kid in her class, but what I would call I'm talking about middle school and high school like I would say she was an uninspired student. She did not feel inspired by the curriculum, she did not feel inspired by the structure of school and all that kind of shit. But she was, she's dope, smart. She's like she gets stuff real fast. And remember one time she did the homework for something, she turned it in, but she didn't put her name on it and so she didn't get credit for it and she's gonna say didn't go like that, blah, blah, blah, cause she thinks her memory is so much better than mine and she thinks that like if she said it went like this, then that's how it went and how you remember it. Like it's like. She says it as if it's like Wikipedia, as if it's like fact that her memory knows what happened in. Mine doesn't, but what I'm saying is like my parents were really mad at her cause she didn't put her. She did all that fucking work, she didn't put her name on it, and that stuck with me forever.
Speaker 1:This idea that, like, unless it says Chad Sanders on it, it didn't happen. Like unless, like you know what I'm saying Like go, it's cool, you can help other people, you can support them, but at the end of the day, does it have your name on it or does it not? Morgan, from the beginning, I feel like I have been like Morgan, don't forget to put produced by Morgan Williams on the fucking Spotify thing right On the YouTube profile, cause if it doesn't have that, it's not real, whether you completed it or not. Like if someone can't trace it back to the originator, then it's useless. These are my points of view and this regards completion, because, like it's not done until it has your name on it and it goes out, like it's not done until your signature's on it and somebody else can access it. Put some other people out there right now, cause why not? I just did it to my sister, so fuck it.
Speaker 1:I have a couple of friends working on a podcast right now and one of my friends is shy about Instagram. He doesn't like it and I'm like every day almost I'm like yo did you post, did you post, did you post? Quincy used to do this to me and I was the same way. Did you post, did you post, did you post? And I can tell he's nervous about posting. He doesn't know if it's going to represent himself well. He's nervous about people reaching out to him Once it's out. He's just nervous.
Speaker 1:Like you're putting yourself out there Like it's a call, what you want, like this is an artistic process. When you put yourself out there, you're vulnerable, but you didn't do it. If it's not out, you know what I mean. Unless you're just doing this shit for shits and giggles. But like I don't want to talk to you if that's why you're doing this. I don't care about your pet project, I don't. I don't care about your book of poetry that you write for yourself. Like that's not why I do this. I read. I'm talking way past the question, but I read.
Speaker 1:Spike gave me a book that he wrote years ago about the making of the Malcolm X movie and it talks about in that book his own father who was a jazz musician but who was a starving artist for mostly his entire life, because his dad loved the art but he didn't love like the production and the business elements of the art. And Spike was like in the book. He's like. I realized I'm not going to be like my dad, I don't do this shit. You know what I mean. What did Kanye say? The fuck you think I rap for? To push a fucking rap for? Like no disrespect to the rap. For I would probably drive a rap for in New York, but we don't do this to then send it around to a couple of friends and just be like hey, do you like this? Like no, like this is for consumption, like this is to get it to the people. So, morgan, I've talked way past your question. Can you refine the question so I can make sure that I answer it?
Speaker 2:I feel like you did. You have people stewarding things and you also have a sense of urgency with it.
Speaker 1:There's a? I think there's. It's good if you can get a healthy addiction to the impulse of releasing stuff Like. One thing I love about this show is we have a constant feedback loop. Like we make something, we cut the reels, we send out the emails, we put it on Instagram. We know in real time, like did people like it or not? What did they like about it? Did they like it enough to watch it? Did they like it enough to watch it and comment? Did they like it enough to watch it and comment and share? I feel like that is my heartbeat now. My heartbeat is like make something and get it out because not even just because it's fun and you enjoy it and it feeds you. But also like if people want it, why wouldn't you give it to them? Like, if you like doing it anyway, like give it to them. I don't know why do I sound so incredulous about this, but like I really that's how I feel. Like you can't get it out until it's done, so you gotta finish it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Also, do you know the quote where it's like are you finished or are you done?
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you know where that quote is from?
Speaker 2:No, I don't have any time to find it, morgan, is it Birdman?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's from the same Birdman interview. That shit is the goal, mind. But Morgan, you're just so yourself. Earlier today I was like Morgan, have you seen the show Rocket Power? And she was like no, what's that?
Speaker 2:And then no, but now I know what it is. I know.
Speaker 1:And then you were like yeah, I've seen it, you're like a, that's who you remind me of. Okay, should we do one more of these questions and then get out of here? Do you see one that you like? Or, josh, do you see one that you like? On the docket, do you have the?
Speaker 3:docket, I did.
Speaker 1:Or anything. I got a question for you. Just give me something to talk about.
Speaker 3:I got a question for you, please and this is kind of like in the theme of like managing relationships and I'm going to go into on the front end say that this is just me personally curious about this.
Speaker 1:Great, that's the best kind.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so like.
Speaker 3:So one of the things like it's kind of funny because, like me and you have a similar trajectory arc where I say, like the last five years has been like oh shit is finally working for us in a way that we've not experienced before in our lives.
Speaker 3:But I say that to say the heart of one of the hardest parts for me is like managing relationships and it's like, as shit starts working for you, you like will start to know mad more people than you've ever known in your entire life.
Speaker 3:That's a fact. And one of the hardest things for me that I'm still trying to figure out is, like you know, I meet a lot of cool people all the time and I'm naturally like a pretty introverted person and don't want to be around people that often, but I do like people. But I guess my question is how do you go about managing, for example, just managing like, either new relationships or meeting, like you know, so many people now, like so, so many people and I do too and it's like trying to figure out which relationships are not even just like worth investing in, but like do you ever get the feeling like you're missing out on people that you're like? Damn, I wish I had the time to invest in that relationship, but I just don't right now. And how you go about managing knowing so many people as you grow.
Speaker 1:Right, right, um, I have a few thoughts on this. One is I really do believe that, like, if you continue to take care of yourself and your product, like it will attract the people that you want, you know they'll find you. Like they, really, I really do think and I mean that's the other thing about the output loop like keeping continuing to put stuff out there into the world like it attracts the people that you need to come and find you, and I mean I think your business is proof of that. Like we found you. We came looking for you. You know what I mean Because you have something that's of value. I, you know, I don't scientifically, like you know, I don't have a spreadsheet or something with my contacts on it where I know people who literally do. They have like a spreadsheet.
Speaker 3:And I'm not doing that. I know myself. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1:Check in with this person once every three months and stuff. Like I know people who think of it scientifically. I, you know that's one value, in my opinion, to having a, to having representatives, is that like they can do that job Also. Like frankly, like that's a value of Morgan's personality, like Morgan will go to a networking event and probably like have a good time you know what I mean Like and meet somebody, and that's a value that I think she brings to this whole thing. That I, knowing myself, like I just want to go. We each just want to go places that we find to be enjoyable, but like I don't want to go anywhere with the intention of, you know, keeping this friendship alive or keep like I love the idea of like, all right, we have this project, me and this person, and so during the duration of us having that project, we are, we're locked in. You know, we go, we check on each other, we might send each other stuff, we might, you know, remember birthdays and all this other stuff, but like we don't have to do that for our whole lives. You know, like that's a little restrictive. So I think I'm probably a little bit closer to your like. I think I'm probably somewhat close to where you're at on that thing.
Speaker 1:But I also am. I am like I love to talk to people, so I pick up the phone every. I make probably, like I've said, I probably make 15 to 20 phone calls a day and it's like it's everybody from my sister to you know an artist, to my friends from high school, literally every day. You know, I'm like to a point where my therapist is like you need to spend some time with Chad and I'm like, okay, I'm like I just try to go where the light is for me, I try to. If I'm a moth to a flame, I just go to the flame and don't even worry about the rest of the abyss of who should I be calling? Should I be texting Spike to see how his family's doing? Like he doesn't even want me to do that. He thinks that's gross. So that's how I feel. Those are my thoughts.
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Speaker 3:Thanks for watching. I hope you enjoyed this video. I'll see you in the next one. Bye.
