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From NASCAR to Independent Personal Trainer Cody in North Carolina
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Welcome to the Show Up Fitness Podcast, where great personal trainers are made. We are changing the fitness industry one qualified trainer at a time, with our in-person and online personal training certification. If you want to become an elite personal trainer, head on over to showupfitnesscom. Also, make sure to check out my book how to Become a Successful Personal Trainer. Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review. Have a great day and keep showing up. Howdy y'all? Welcome back to the Show Up Fitness Podcast. Today we have Mr Cody. He has an amazing story from going to D1 baseball, getting an injury, nascar, and now he's kicking major ass as a personal trainer in the small town of Troutman, north Carolina. Mr Cody, how are we doing?
Speaker 2:Doing good. Chris, Thanks for having me Honored and pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1:This guy has such a cool story and he's followed us for quite a while, from passing his NASAM and realizing that it's not going to do too much, stepping away from NASCAR which is a challenge, because that is your bread and butter to doing it by yourself, betting on yourself. And now you can see the future, that you absolutely can turn your passion for fitness into career. And how cool is that? In a small town 3,700, you're able to pull in significantly more than a hundred grand, and that's quite the feat. Right there, my man, so proud of you for doing that and excited to talk more about your life story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you. Yeah, no, it's definitely one of those things that when I started out in the personal training as my side business, when I was still doing full-time NASCAR traveling 38 weekends a year, doing you know sessions 530 in the morning, 530 at night, off days I was like you know, one day, hopefully I can make that jump or have the confidence to do it. And you know, just gradually keep showing up right. I kept hearing you say that over and over and over again and got to the point of, you know, decision time had to be made and you know, being able to make that decision has paid off in the long, bright future, but also in the moment. The gratification is there as well.
Speaker 1:So let's start almost from day one. You were a baseball player in high school, got a D1 scholarship to North Carolina State, but then you had a little hiccup with the shoulder, and so then let's kind of talk about your mindset and pivoting into your next career step, and then we'll start talking about training and everything you're at today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So I was in high school. I had three sports. I played football, wrestling and baseball, but excelled in baseball. I was a catcher from the time that I could remember baseball. I was a catcher from the time that I could remember. You know, basically a little t-ball guy in the back of the team playing catcher. Nobody wanted to play but I loved it. You're in every play. So I was from high school.
Speaker 2:I kind of excelled there, went to a couple of camps, got some started to get some traction and then, uh, one day mid game went to go make a throw down to second base and uh, boom, there it went, heard a couple pops and my next thing, I know my fingers were touching the ground and I couldn't pick my shoulder up.
Speaker 2:So, or pick my arm up, I should say, uh, knew something was wrong there. And then quickly the realization set in that I wasn't going to make it to the next level. And at that point it was kind of an identity crisis, right, you hear people say all the time I don't really know what to do. This is kind of all I've done with sports. And then I kind of had a light bulb moment. It was like, you know, the family business is NASCAR. My dad, my older brother, both work in it and there's an athletic realm to that. So I pursued that, which is a pit crew member, and that was my foot in the door, was an internship and then from there kind of progressed, graduated high school and got rolling as a pit crew member in NASCAR.
Speaker 1:You know we have a similarity with having a little rug rat, and so I've been exposed a lot to the movie Cars and my perception of that world is you're kind of like Luigi, where you are taking off the tires, putting them on. But I've never been in that whole environment. So can you kind of give us a day in the life of a pit crew hunk working within NASCAR?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's. You know you work on the weekend. Well, your main work day is obviously Sunday. If you work in the Cup Series, it's the main race, it's on Sunday. But kind of just like any other sport, the back end work is where a lot of the progress is made, but also the fine tuning. So, day in life really say a practice day, you're looking, you know, show up to the facility 7am, go through, do your warm up, do your stretching, getting PT work done, before you get into a kind of a split practice, whether your first two teams are in the weight room doing with the strength and conditioning coaches and then the other two teams, depending on how.
Speaker 2:This is just from my experience. You have, you know, and you go, you got two teams that are out in practice and say, for practice you'd probably do, depending on the weekend, it's all you know, tiered up and down some, because some races you can do up to you know 15, 16 pit stops. So you have to, you know, build into that over the year. But uh, on average probably do about eight to ten pit stops during practice, just kind of working through different scenarios. Uh, you know two tires, four tires, different gas, different adjustments to the car based off what the driver needs and then from there, you, you know, either you switch, you go back into the weight room and you do your, you get your lift in or your conditioning in for the day and hang out.
Speaker 2:You know, sometimes, depending on the length of the day, there's a catered lunches, smoothies, everything like that. So it's at a bigger team which, where I was, it was kind of kind of ran like a college, nsa or professional, even operational team. So there's, you got PTs, you got strength coaches, you got nutritionists on staff at all times. So it's, it was a.
Speaker 1:It was a pretty, pretty cool gig and definitely something to remember pretty cool gig and uh, definitely something to remember, but also it's uh exciting. That's so cool for the listeners to conceptualize, because I'm sure that at one point this was not even part of the equation strength and conditioning but then they're recognizing how important it is for the athletes to have that component, because it's just going to help them mentally, but also physically, perform better 100?
Speaker 2:yeah for sure, because the, the roots and the history of the pit crew was it was the guys that you know traveled and the mechanics that work on the car. So there was no real like athletics to it. It was just, you know, any and old, everybody you know, the 45 year old, the 50 year old, the, whoever it was, was just on the team. That was your pit crew guys. And then it slowly evolved into the more of the athletics because people realized, oh, we get out faster, change tires faster on pit road, then we gain spots and we have a chance to win the race and just like anything, everything in sport, you know, it just kind of takes off from there and now it's to the point of, you know, college kids and a lot of d1, d2, any college ranks that's. It's a viable option for them now to to come into another athletic realm and still be a professional and express that ability. So it's ever evolving but it's always growing too still.
Speaker 1:Before we talk about the transition into personal training, I have to ask did you ever get in the car and drive it around? Did you get up to 200 plus miles per hour?
Speaker 2:Never gotten up to 200. No, I got to drive the car on the engine dyno one time, so it's pretty much simplistic terms. You know a dyno, you strap the car down and just see how fast the motor can go. It never really was rolling fast because it was strapped down, but I got it up to full song a couple of times. It was pretty cool.
Speaker 1:That's nice. Now just to compare it to Cars, the movie, the last one. I'm sure you've watched them all with your rug rat right oh yeah, oh yeah 100 you have the new, improved like thunder dude, that the purple one, it's like all badass and new technology is that kind of similar, and it sounds like they have those virtual simulations and stuff that the athletes will be working on and proving their their I don't know. Is that like kind of realistic?
Speaker 2:yeah really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the, the drivers themselves, they, they spend, you know, probably the better half of four or five hours a week in in a simulator which is pretty much a mock replica of the exact car that they drive every weekend and it's based off of, you know, ford, toyota, chevy, they all have that under their camp, but it's the simulator is so fine tuned and in touch with everything they can feel, you know, they feel the bumps, they feel the steering wheel move, they feel all of the adjustments that is made and similar on the pit crew side of things too, that the technology is advancing, so they're getting a lot of visual aid, but also the physical and technological side of strength and conditioning, as you probably kept up with throughout the years as well, is taken off and that's kind of bleeding now into that side of the, the, the world, so to say.
Speaker 1:That's rad, I love it. And so was there like a moment that you recall where like a splinter was in the back of your head and you're like I don't know if I want to do this for the rest of my life. I'm thinking maybe I want to have a family, I want to settle down.
Speaker 2:And where did the idea of getting into becoming a personal trainer arise? The so the idea of the personal training and like coaching and training people, it, you know, stems all the way back to when I retired, so to say, from the pit crew side of nascar and I kind of I evolved into more of a coaching role on the side as well. So I kind of picked that up. So I still was in the know and still in the sport of the athletic side. So I picked up the coaching kind of the assistant to the strength coach there doing a lot of the on-field quote-unquote practicing. So I still had that scratching that itch but kind of kept that up for a while. So I still had that scratching that itch but kind of kept that up for a while. And then the real turn of, like the one-on-one in-person personal training was we had a gym to use at the team that I worked at. So my lunch hour I was in the gym. My after work I went to the gym and I started noticing, you know, people coming up to me asking questions and I started realizing, you know, I'm caring more about other people's workout sessions and like programming in the middle or on the fly whatever. Oh man, my knee hurts, why wouldn't I do this? Okay, let's try this. Or how do you? How did you grow your your legs the size you did? Well, okay, this is the workout you want to train with me Started caring more about other people's sessions than my own at the time and I was like, okay, this is, there is a career in this.
Speaker 2:It's called personal training, you know, you look into it. So I kind of opened that door a little bit more and then from there I just kind of, you know, rolled with it and just started to softly pitch the idea to people like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this and I'm like, oh sure, you know. And it's kind of started there and here we are but there's a lot in between as well, so how'd you come across?
Speaker 2:show up uh, the pretty typical answer that people give on here or you hear, probably all the time is going through the nasm. I got about, you know, I did the online book. I've got about chapter and a half in. I was like there's a better way and none of this is going to be beneficial to what I'm doing or what I want to do. So I did the typed into the google. You know how to pass this quick show.
Speaker 2:Fitness showed up, heard you for the first time and I was like, all right, well, if he's telling me he can get me to pass this thing in a week, then let's roll with it. So scoured the YouTube videos and the cheat sheets and everything that you guys had and, sure enough, I mean, passed the proctored exam and I think it was two weeks of hitting purchase on there or whatever it was, and I was like, all right, I've already learned more from this guy online, so let me just continue down the path of what he's got to offer. This company has to offer and it's opened so many doors, gave me so many different opportunities just from there. And it's opened so many doors, gave me so many different opportunities just from there.
Speaker 1:It's crazy to look in juxtaposition to what you were doing and what you said earlier is you got into your career in NASCAR, but there was an internship where they taught you how to do stuff, and it just blows my mind doing this for 20 years and it's not a knock to the person who got that textbook cert, but you had the wits to recognize like, hold on a second, I'm going to be training people and I'm supposed to be reading a book Like where's the application? There has to be more. So it's really unfortunate, and there's actually a great post the other day by Brett Contreras highlighting that there's like hundreds of thousands of online trainers and 95 plus percent of them have no idea what the heck they're doing, and so this is a hundred percent of viable career in your case in point, but your competition really isn't that great, because there are a lot of trainers that will just get into the book and they will just study the hell out of it. I was talking to someone the other day, unfortunately, and they said that they took it over a year ago. They failed and so they just put it on the back burner and now they're doing it again.
Speaker 1:And my question to the if you would have passed, would you have felt prepared to train people? And they're like, no, not at all. Then why are we doing them? And that's what we're trying to, you know, to work with is you know, you you had that monumental point where you went to Atlanta and it was really cool to hear about your successes and then you started. At that point I was in right around November, maybe October, and you started working with a physical therapist, but then you got the hands-on. I think it just kind of opened up some, some ideas and some lights, and now you know the transition to where you're at now. It's really cool to see what doors you've opened.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. And so leading into Atlanta that was what we said october, november time, so that was. I was already 10 months into kind of it as my side quest, my side business of training. You know, I had just a handful of clients that I could handle at that moment in time.
Speaker 2:But uh, I don't know if I may have told you this or not, but I left Atlanta and when I got home I was talking to my wife and I was like you know, she was like how was it? This is great, like learned a bunch more than I thought I ever would just in two days. But then also, like it just gave me that extra boost of confidence and that like fire to go and to do it even harder. Um, and she kind of looked at me and she was like you know, the end of the racing season is coming up soon, you know. And so it was always in the back of my mind of like all right, just if I can buckle down and continue this path. And, you know, have a little bit of faith, a little bit of trust, it's gonna gonna work out. And so end of end of the NASCAR season is the week before Thanksgiving, and after that it was um full steam ahead because NASCAR season you get the as a traveling road mechanic. You get pretty much the from Thanksgiving to January 1st off, because you're gone 38 weekends throughout the rest of the year there.
Speaker 2:And so I kind of just told myself and told my wife. I said, you know, if you trust me and you believe in me, let's see where this can go. So next thing and it's funny how the world works I told myself that kind of, put it down on paper, had it in my notes on my phone and that next week when I went in my first full week of just acting like a personal trainer, you know, not having to go to another job, I signed up four clients that week and I was like there we go, all right, let's see from there. And then a couple of weeks later, two more. A couple of weeks later, two more. I was like, all right, well, decision time. Books are almost full, numbers are matching up. What do I want to do?
Speaker 1:And it's really neat. People can't see right now but I can, and one of the things that you're highlighting right now is professionalism. You got your shirt there, have a day fitness and it's a polo. You're very professional. Why don't you talk a little bit about how you were able to network with physical therapists and how that opened up some doors for funneling in more clients and really what those conversations are like with the PTs? Being just a simple trainer, but what those conversations are like and how they were impressed with you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 2:You know, like I said, a lot of it is comes down to the confidence and competence right, to the confidence and competence right. If you can start the conversation with you know the confidence of like, hey, I am a personal trainer, I'm here, I've got X, y and Z clients or I'm looking to learn A, b and C. They're going to just like anything else. A client is going to see that, another professional is going to see that confidence that you have. But also the competence. Competence is, you know, being able to talk the talk, but also if you can go in and show that you walk the walk as well. You walk in, you're, you're tidied up, but also you kind of look like you know what you're doing. That goes a long way and then you know from there it's the.
Speaker 2:The conversations that I had with my initial pt that I work with, he, it was um, a relationship that was formed over kind of a. Just a slight introduction from my wife really I give her the credit for that one, because where she worked was right next door. She was like hey, um, just go over there, they're cool, give them a call, called them, call them. And he was like, yeah, sure, come on and show up the first day. And I think he was a little surprised when I came in and I had I had my polo on, I was had my shirt tucked in, everything ready to go, and then we got going.
Speaker 2:He was like so what, do you have any specific questions?
Speaker 2:I was like I want to learn as much as I can about everything that I can that you do, because it's going to make me better on what I do.
Speaker 2:And his face was like okay, I've never really heard that from first, you can tell the look on his face was like oh, this guy doesn't just care about doing bicep curls and tricep extensions. So from there we just got into the weeds and I could see him kind of testing me a little bit. You know anatomy testing of like you know what is this action or what do we achieve in here. And you know, being able to answer those questions but also formulate questions from his questions is it was kind of a light bulb moment for him and for I and I was, you know, kind of working relationships and text back and forth now and we're just continuing to roll with it and I've been in contact with quite a few others, just in passing, you know, in the local area trying to grow the team, my team, but also if I can assist them in any way, then you know it's a win-win.
Speaker 1:I wonder how those conversations would have been if you would have just had your textbook cert and you tried to answer those questions. Do you feel that that would have prepared you to be competent enough to articulate what he was asking?
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. No, absolutely not. Because there's, you know it and I feel you know you're going to go into it with the mindset of you know you want to be the best, you want this to be a career, you want it to be sustainable, but also, you know, do good for other people, and that's the thing is that I got into this is to help people. So, like like most cliche personal training, you know I want to help people, but no, you genuinely want to help someone. You want to be the best you. You have to. You know, put that intentionality forward of of knowing the human body, not just you know what, what, like you always say what yours does, but what, how the human body works, and that's, that's anatomy, that's biomechanics, that's movement, that's, you know, in increase. That is the intricacy of the human body and differences that that it has. So, and you don't learn that from a book.
Speaker 1:No, you don't. But I know that people are probably thinking well, how did you go from NASCAR to start getting clients, cause clients can just start raining from the sky. So how did you get your first couple of ones and and maybe some some hiccups that you had, and how were you able to translate that into a full book of business?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it was the I was. The first client I had was my brother and my sister-in-law. So those came in and we just say people, you know, show and face a lot Cause as a coming into it as an independent. You know, being in the gym whenever I could, people seeing again seeing the shirt, seeing the logo, seeing the training people one on one, that helped. And then from there you know you get some initial results of people starting to notice, of you know your client posting a picture of, hey, this is progress, this is who's helping me.
Speaker 2:Um, and then from there you know you get a couple testimonials, call it from uh, in person, because you know I'm getting some feedback because I was the new guy in the in the building. So people, oh, hey, are you a personal trainer? Yes, ma'am sure, come on in a consultation, be able to get her in the first session to not have knee pain, sign up. And then from there she's been with me now for a year and a half and she's brought me, I would say, four referrals, with a fifth one on the way, and she's been singing my praises. So it's a lot of word of mouth and just being there showing face, doing the things that it takes to get results, but also build the business.
Speaker 1:Now is this out of your garage, or where exactly are you training out of?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's out of the Iredell County Rec Center. It's based in Trman, north carolina, and um, where troutman sits is kind of right in between uh two, two larger ish cities, moordville and statesville, and now troutman does have a population of itself but um, the the rec center feed the entire county of what is ireville county. So it's uh, you kind of get get some traveling in and out in between the two surrounding cities, but for the most part a lot of the locals that take up that population at the rec center.
Speaker 1:And what are we charging?
Speaker 2:per hour there, so right now I'm a hundred dollars per hour.
Speaker 1:Love it, and what did you start out at? 65 and are there many other trainers there? There is one other person saying okay so not a lot, just you, just two people yeah, just just two.
Speaker 2:And uh, from what I've seen and what she's told me, she doesn't um, she's not much of the, she's not full-time, so to say she's the part-time, but that's where I spend all of my time and then we start looking in the future, doing this for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1:That may be a decision you want, but do you have some aspirations for next steps and what does that look like? Do you want to stay in troutman? Do you want to travel somewhere else? Open up your own gym. What does that look like for you?
Speaker 2:yeah. So the um, you know the the short term and longterm of it is short-term, the rec center, the Troutman Rec Center, has been gracious enough to me and they've been nothing but great. I've been able to build a sustainable business there. So staying there is an option, but also having that bigger goal of I want to expand, expanding growth is. I tell all my clients that the thing that gets me up every day is, you know, progress, right, being able to make progress not only for myself but for you guys. For when I see, you know I've got, when I see my 78-year-old, my 78-year-young client that on Thursday she hit at 105-pound body weight, she hit 180-pound trap bar deadlift, so that right there, that made me, you know, jumps me through the roof. So seeing progress, but also, you know, progress in business, is what excites me as well.
Speaker 2:So expansion is in the plans, whether it's, you know, my own space inside of Troutland, where I've already built that foothold in that kind of three to five mile radius, or if it's, you know, expanding to the other surrounding locations that you know may have a different demographic, whether that be, you know, age, job, you know, know just money in general, that part of the demographic or you know, um, but also location. For myself, is is going to be key to in the mix of all of that um, demographic change. So if I could find the right place, then sure, or know. The other option is, uh that could be on the table is, you know, having a split. You know split building, split, split space. You know with, uh, say, a physical therapist or someone like that, you know that's um, an attractive option, that's uh, you know, open to entertaining, but also, you know, kind of aspiring to have as well.
Speaker 1:I love that as a, that, as a family man, you were able to take that step away and bet on yourself and with the anchor of your wife, which was huge. But what would be that piece of advice for that trainer who's listening, where they have that security blanket, whether if it is a teacher or a doctor, lawyer, whatever, but they want to get into this space, but they don't want to leave because that uncertainty, like you experienced when you were in Atlanta. What would that advice for them be? I would say.
Speaker 2:It kind of goes back to when you're going to have those conversations with, say, the physical therapist. Have that confidence but also knowing that you have that competence to do the job, that should, in my opinion, that should light that competence to do the job that just you know, that should, in my opinion, that should light that fire of I'm going to make this work. I know I can make this work and at that point you know the chips are going to fall where they may. But you certainly can start to. You know mold where those chips are going to fall, just based off of the. You know you know mold where those chips are going to fall, just based off of the. You know your not only the passion but the drive that you have to learn and to hone your craft of getting people results, getting people out of pain and building that name and building the book of businesses.
Speaker 2:As it goes without saying that if you can, you know, if people can know you and you don't know them, then you're, you're doing good, because people are talking about you that you may or may not know inside of your own you know gym or your own town and you get a phone call one day, and it's that could be the client that you know wants to sign up with you for the biggest package you've ever did, and that pushes you over the that threshold. And then, boom, there's your security blanket. This has been blown up because you now have the opportunity to uh, you know, make three X, four X, five X what you were under that security blanket.
Speaker 1:I agree, and what would you say are the biggest stressors as a personal trainer?
Speaker 2:Especially, I would say, as an independent.
Speaker 2:You know, right now I didn't ever go through the the box gym style thing kind of the beating you, the, the leads or whatever it's the.
Speaker 2:I would say the biggest stress as an independent is you know it is on you to, you know you are owner, you are operator, you are marketing, you are finance, you are everything, but also you still have to be a trainer as well. So it's that, that always that constant thought of all right, well, if this one drops off, if I've got a client that drops off for whatever reason, do I have someone on a waiting list or do I have a callback list? You know, the financial side of things is definitely the, the, I won't say a worry, but it's a thought when you're on your own. But outside of that, having you know, having the solid, sound skills to know that you can either progress the clients that you have now or gain more it's that that kind of outweighs that that worry of any sort of financial or um no, as what you said earlier, away 38 weekends out of the year, that can definitely take a toll on the family life.
Speaker 1:Have you been able to find that balance as a trainer, being the sole provider for your family, and also being a dad?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, it's a and I was actually having this conversation with somebody the other day is I'm still you know we're what we're six months into this year right now, and I'm now six months into being a full-time on my own independent trainer at home personal. You know time is is different than it once was. So it's I'm still trying to figure this out as I'm six months in. But finding that said balance is, you know, right now for me is being able to set my schedule up with now, given it's all demographic based too as well. Where I'm at, um, you know I'm pretty much first session is is 5 30 in the morning and from there I'm running straight through from 5 30 all the way, usually up until about one or two o'clock in the afternoon and um, you know, given day, some it's, some it's lighter, some it's heavier, but uh, setting my schedule up to where I'm, I'm home by two o'clock usually is is where that balance is.
Speaker 2:Piece has been big. But also, you know, right now it's it's saturday morning. I got up with my daughter and her and I had a little bit of a morning, let the life sleep in. You know other life in nascar I would be. I think they're in michigan right now, so I would be in michigan and she would be, you know, having to do it all by herself here. So having that balance of work to life is still figuring it out, but I think right now I'm doing a pretty good job, being able to set my schedule up the way that is conducive to to client work, but also home way as well, and when I'm home, I'm home, it's. I've been able to make that switch of. You know, I get home, I shut my laptop, it's. Uh, work is done, unless you know 911s happen, but for the most part, that's how I've handled that one.
Speaker 1:I love it. Such a cool story and the future is so bright for you. I'm proud of everything that you've done. Where can people find you on social media?
Speaker 2:yeah, so, um, first, just first off, firsthand, my, uh, my business just got approved on google. So if you google, have a day fitness, it pops up now on google. It shows you the location of the rec center as well as takes you can lead you to my website and uh that. But Instagram is Cody may fit and that is my, my fitness page, my personal training page.
Speaker 2:You know, getting more away from from my side of things, but also giving some more information about how I train and and what it is you know, the the life of a personal trainer, trying to get people the best results possible, but also also, you know, do it right and have fun the whole time too.
Speaker 1:So that's awesome. And last but not least, what are some personal records that you are working towards in the gym?
Speaker 2:so right now uh, right now personal record records or what I'm goals I'm working towards is this is actually the last week of a 27-week fat loss diet phase that I'm wrapping up now and from there, this is kind of the test of see what I look like before I make the next step into probably at the end of next year actually stepping on a bodybuilding stage for the first time. That's been a big goal of mine, or an aspiration wanting to do that, so just uh working on that and then, uh, after next week you get to uh eat a little bit more food and get get pretty strong again, but uh, I think I'd like to get back to uh probably a 500 pound deadlift. I think that would be kind of fun.
Speaker 1:Nice. So with the, with the bodybuilding and the fat loss phase right now, what has been the main thing that's helped you focus on losing that weight?
Speaker 2:The and it's interesting, you know you asked that question because I've thought about it a lot. The last time I did one of these, like, say, a mock preps or a fat loss phase, was when I was in the nascar world and I was. It wasn't anything for me for a day to get, you know, 21, 22, 000 steps in a day. But now, you know, as a personal trainer, it's a smaller building too that I'm working in. You know, I am only working in the. I'm working in the morning and afternoons I'm home is, uh, output has been changed drastically. So you know I'm actually having to strive to get that.
Speaker 2:That 12, 000, 14, 000 steps in a day, so that you know inherently has drove the caloric demand down further than I expected. Um, you know, and it's all an experiment too, that's the whole other side of this equation of personal training is, if you throw in the nutrition side, it's a different equation. The training is an equation. So this part of the equation I've tried to do with zero structured cardio, so to say so, just only steps. So food is a little bit lower, but at that point it's kind of lean into the hunger and see where it takes you.
Speaker 1:Love it. Calories in calories out baby.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's. That's, like I said, the whole different ball game. But we can. We can get on that some other time too. I love that stuff too.
Speaker 1:All right, my man, I appreciate your time on a Saturday. Have a great day and always keep showing up.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir. Thank you, Chris.