The Show Up Fitness Podcast
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The Show Up Fitness Podcast
Becoming a trainer in your 40's w/ Michelle | From Medical Field to Fitness Entrepreneur
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What does it take to leave behind a 20-year healthcare career and build a thriving fitness business? Meet Michelle Smith, who took the leap from medical professional to gym owner and never looked back.
Michelle's journey begins with a whisper—literally. While running one day, she heard a voice saying "you've got three years," which became her timeline to transition away from a healthcare job she'd grown to dislike. Starting with just three clients in her basement, Michelle built a foundation that would eventually grow into multiple training facilities.
The path wasn't straightforward. Despite her extensive healthcare background, including work as a certified orthotic fitter, Michelle struggled with traditional personal training certifications. The textbook approach didn't match her hands-on learning style or the practical skills needed for real-world client success. It wasn't until she found education that emphasized anatomical understanding and practical application that she began to thrive.
What sets Michelle's story apart is her methodical approach to career transition. She advises calculating exactly how many clients you need to replace half your salary, then gradually reducing hours at your day job as your training business grows. "You have to figure out if your why is bigger than your paycheck," she explains, highlighting that passion must drive the decision to change careers.
Today, Michelle specializes in women's health, particularly helping clients navigate perimenopause and menopause—a niche she discovered organically as she and her clientele aged together. Her willingness to pivot and evolve her business model has been key to her longevity in the industry, along with her dedication to continuous learning.
Whether you're contemplating a mid-career change or looking to build a more fulfilling fitness business, Michelle's experience offers a roadmap for combining passion with pragmatism. Subscribe to the Show Up Fit
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Welcome to the Show Up Fitness Podcast, where great personal trainers are made. We are changing the fitness industry one qualified trainer at a time, with our in-person and online personal training certification. If you want to become an elite personal trainer, head on over to showupfitnesscom. Also, make sure to check out my book how to Become a Successful Personal Trainer. Don't forget to subscribe, rate and review. Have a great day and keep showing up. Howdy everybody. Welcome back to the Show Up Fitness Podcast. Today we have Ms Michelle and she's a really awesome story. Outside of St Louis, she now has a couple gyms. She was in the medical field for almost 20 years, did a mid-career shift and now she's loving her life as a trainer slash entrepreneur. So thank you for taking the time today.
Speaker 2:Morning. Thanks for having me. I'm excited we get to chat through social media but don't get to see each other very often.
Speaker 1:I know, and that's great. That's the beautiful thing about technology and social media you can use it to your advantage. And you had me beat this morning because you were up at a lovely 345 for those first couple of clients, right.
Speaker 2:Every day, every day. But when you love what you do, you will wake up for that, versus hitting the snooze button every time. Now I will say there are mornings when I have late nights the night before because of clients that I might wake up to the second alarm when I'm supposed to be leaving, but that's part of it.
Speaker 1:We're talking prior to this and I give you a ton of credit because this is almost your second career. You were doing something for close to 20 years and I know a lot of people in that situation would not have the guts to do what you did, which is put your foot into the fitness world and you left that J-O-B where you had a nice little salary and you were able to start something from the ground. And now look at you. So let's kind of talk about that transition what you're doing prior and to where you're at now.
Speaker 2:You know everybody talks about getting off the insanity train. You want to do something different, but sometimes you really don't know. You train, you want to do something different, but sometimes you really don't know. But for 20 years I worked in health care, worked for a physician. And a little side note that I didn't tell you I had an associate's in accounting. I liked math and totally did not know that I would do anything like this. But I realized I couldn't sit still. But I also realized that I had some ADHD and a little dyslexia, so that doesn't go very good with an accounting degree. So I started working at a physician's office close to home.
Speaker 2:I then boyfriend, now husband of 26 years which that's a small feat in itself and not heard it very often anymore, but he's like both of us don't need to be driving up the highway.
Speaker 2:We both drove over an hour to JOB, so worked close to home, worked for a physician, then went into working fora chiropractor right, you learn a ton of stuff about anatomy and the body working naturally itself. Then took a job working with durable medical equipment, became a certified board orthotic fitter, and that's when I found my passion for people, when you can help a woman who's lost part of her feminine identity feel whole again. It completely changes your outlook of what you do and what it means to love what you do, versus just collecting a paycheck and a J-O-B. So fast forward. That company got bought out. The new owners, my bosses, were younger than me. That's a whole new identity. But they believed in my gift of gab and passion for helping people, so they put me into the marketing that took on another hat that I had to self-learn because I didn't go to college to do that, and you learn better on.
Speaker 2:You know hands-on. So worked as a durable medical and orthotic fitter in sales for nine and a half years when I transitioned to hospice, and that's a progression. You learn how to buffer things because my parents and my grandparents were aging.
Speaker 2:So the last five years I hated my job, but it was a salary and it paid the bills Right and it gave me the flexibility to travel with my daughter, softball and be home and be a mom. But I knew there was something different and I was running one day and I kept hearing you got three years, you got three years. So I look like a crackhead on the street, basically Right Talking to myself, saying, ok God, I don't understand what is in three years, three years, I would be 10 years in a job that I hated, that I was not serving anybody and my daughter would be finishing the 10th grade. So I didn't have much time and I'm like well, all right, I don't know what you're going to do, but I'm like, I'm all in. So the health and wellness company that I was dabbling on the side a little bit had already inspired me to be working out of home and it progressed out of my basement.
Speaker 1:And I got super adamant during COVID, which is when we met, and then you probably had that itch to do a little research on how to become a trainer and so talk a little bit about that process and what you went through and maybe some struggles that you had, and now we'll transition into talking about your entrepreneurial spirit.
Speaker 2:So I worked with a health and wellness company and helping people understand nutrition, because we know that they don't. And typical social media you know, you see the influencers and they eat 1200 calories and they diet all the time and starvation, and we know that doesn't work, um, and I loved that side of it. But I also am not going to convince you that drinking a protein shake is way better than going through the mcdonald's drive-through and I am not going to beg you to do that. Protein shake is way better than going through the McDonald's drive-thru and I am not going to beg you to do that. And I had already started my transition at home and learning things. But everybody kept asking me are you going to start training people? Are you going to start training people? And I'm like I probably need to get certified in that.
Speaker 2:And of course, you know what the first thing comes up when you look for certification. Not that we'll name any names, but I found a group of guys that were trainers and they helped you with that. So they helped you understand the personal training side of things and get you some nutritional things. And then they helped you get whatever certification, whether it was NASM, acsm or maybe one of the others. Long story short. I'm not a textbook kind of learner to retain, well, but it wasn't laid out very clear. And then all of a sudden I got the NASM book and wanted to shoot myself in the head, so but I was already training people out of understanding a lot. I heard for years physicians telling people you need to get on an exercise program, you need to get on an exercise program.
Speaker 2:Well, my parents are, you know. Let's see, I'm 40, they're what? 17 years older than me. If you told my parents that at best, the best thing they're going to do is start walking, which is great, but they're not going to walk into a gym and know what to do or be comfortable with anything or anything else. So I just started using some common sense, Also some of the knowledge that I'd had over the years of being in the gym and, um, a little back history, died, almost died at 17 from a blood clot. So I had to retrain some muscular things and and work on some things, and so I took what I had in my back pocket and put it into play and started working with three women in my basement and didn't do so well on the NASM because it was just filtered through some kind of question. You were being watched on the camera and the questions didn't go into play with what I do in everyday life with my clients or where I wanted to be as a trainer.
Speaker 2:So I'm just glad I didn't go down that rabbit hole anymore and this crazy guy kept coming in my feed because he was as nuts as I was to think that I could go out on my own and train people and make a living out of it. My husband was kind of like, well, either shit or get off the pot do one or the other.
Speaker 2:And um. Did he think you I was going to do it full time? I don't know. But here we are and he helps help me open two locations. So he must've believed in me and my craziness and um total squirrel personality.
Speaker 1:But that comes from the confidence in you, because you must have had this aura and this special sense that, like you're saying that the people skills are huge, but having the whole circle with the business skills and the technical skills.
Speaker 1:And it's just always so ironic to me when people will say that, because that's the number one complaint that I hear is I just don't do well with a textbook and I say no, it's not you, that's anyone. We're a technical skill. This is a career where you have to be using your hands. You're training people on a daily basis and they're never giving you a four question answer Is it A, b, c or D? It's like no, you have to be able to talk through it and cue and regress and progress. And so that's the unfortunate thing today is people will get that textbook and it's not just NASA, it's any of them and they feel depleted because they're like I'm not smart enough, I'm not good enough, I can't make this into a career. And so if you can overcome that hurdle and recognize that I don't need this, I need to work with people who are going to teach me how to actually implement this trade and gain that confidence, so then I can grow and I can turn this into a career, and you're a perfect example for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks. Well, the my other thing too, coming out of being a certified orthotic fitter you you know, you're looking at all the dynamics. You lose a breast, you have a limb that's not working right. It changes the whole anatomy, but you get that balance back, it comes together. So not that I was smarter than anyone else, but there was enough in there through all the years of doing things, because even though I worked for a pharmacy chain, I'm the worst poster child for a pharmacy, because that's going to be the last thing I'm going to tell you to do.
Speaker 2:But you realize that there's more to it than just the exercise, and that's what I loved as you were getting started.
Speaker 2:It was learning the muscles, the 17 muscles of the shoulders, learning the hip, learning how all of that goes together, learning the imbalances which I had, because when you have a blood clot that's went to your lung, it's shot all of the valves in your legs so that so mine don't work right my blood pumps because of my muscle, not because the bowels work correctly and so I had to learn a lot of balance issues.
Speaker 2:I had to retrain my left leg and and to work correctly so that I didn't over compensate on the right, which I did, because they make immobile when they don't know what's going on. And so I was looking at there's got to be more than just the exercise, because what I was doing in my basement in my morning workouts, my mom, who was just starting out, she decided at 59 she wanted to get healthy. So I helped her get rid of 50 pounds with her nutrition because she had to learn how to eat correctly, because no one was teaching them that back then. And I say she got rid of because no one loses 50 pounds and says, oh, can you help me find it again, unless they're wanting 50 pounds of muscle, right, but you know, then she had to learn how to work out and she had to learn how to.
Speaker 2:And even now she's still learning different things after a knee surgery and a whole lot of other things Right, and so what I loved when we got to talking and when I started taking your show of fitness and that was a long time ago. You've had a ton of changes too in that was learning the muscles and why, why we were training this, that and the other. You don't get that in a textbook, and if you do, it's by luck, because there's so much crap in there you don't know what to read. You can't retain it all. Looking at it more as a personal, this is what I want to impact in. Figuring out what your niche is makes your business a whole lot better, and I think that's part of what we talk about is why so many trainers quit after their first year.
Speaker 1:If you're wanting to just go through the exercise, it's going to be rough and who knows about those exercises? Because some will say this and some will say that, and it's like you need to know the person in front of you. Yeah, you know, fast forward to today, you have three gyms. That's pretty freaking awesome right there. So congratulations on that, and let's talk about what that day looks like and managing three spots that day looks like in managing three spots.
Speaker 2:Well, my day starts at 345 and I'm out the door about quarter after four, and then that is after I take care of my beautiful lab. Right, she's got to be fed and potty and she eats a natural diet too, so she's kind of spoiled. But that is stopping by the fitness studio and I got to say that is completely outside of my normal box, right. But everyone's idea of exercise, what their capability is and what their motivation is, is different, and so I'm blessed to work with, have two other instructors that came alongside of me. That one's a yoga and Pilates instructor. The other one is a certified bungee instructor with me and she does like a cardio HIIT class, right. So they're there, and two of the other trainers that work with me out of my main gym one of them is the took over the athletic like high school college athletes because, praise God, I don't have enough time in my schedule and he brought her along.
Speaker 2:But she does um, works with the high school and college athletes, but she puts she does a 60 plus for our seniors we call them the sassy seniors and she does a senior group at the studio two days a week. So go by there and check on everything and obviously pray over it, because we know we want our business to be productive, but it's about the people that we can impact every day. And then my day starts at the main gym with either a personal session or a group session at five o'clock every morning. And then I have, like I said, two other instructors that work out of here and they're trying to grow their business. They're young and they started out in a in a chain gym. They're young and they started out in a in a chain gym, but they never learned anything. They got their textbook certification but they, they just never learned more than basically that.
Speaker 2:So they both they one, just they both just hit through your mark with me, so they're learning a lot but they're also both pregnant, so it's going to be an interesting fall here covering all of that, looking at things very differently for your area and each area, but having great people come alongside of you makes a business, because there's no cookie cutter, just like anything else. There's no cookie cutter client or cookie cutter program.
Speaker 1:I love that and so you're very entrepreneurial and you have some big visions. And what would be that piece of advice you'd have for, maybe, that person who is in a similar situation where they have that ball and chain with that J-O-B Some people may call it like a midlife crisis. They want to take that step into something else, into fitness. What would be your advice for them?
Speaker 2:That's kind of a loaded question, but let's see, I will say this for me One you have to figure out if your why is bigger than your paycheck, because you have to be willing to sacrifice and you got to make sure your spouse is on board and I praise God every day that his his job was very secure, as in construction, but he had enough faith in me to push me to leave this training studio that I was in and to go out on my own, because once I looked at how much I was paying her percentage wise, I knew I could. But you got to figure out the numbers. And I'm going to say that because if you can narrow down somewhat and I'm going to say that because if you can narrow down somewhat, how many clients you're going to have to have it to at least get half of your salary work towards it and figure out if you can start cutting some hours, which is what I did. And then you have to be extremely passionate in order to go after it, because you will have wall kicking, screaming moments and you're going to have hyperventilating moments when you lose. I lost four clients in one week and I thought, oh my God, I'm going to lose everything. I trained hard in those hours and recorded it and recorded it and put videos together and what this exercise was going to do to help someone right that educational on my Facebook page and in a couple of weeks all those slots were filled.
Speaker 2:So one I have a huge why, much bigger than I. Just you know, I want to train people Because I wanted the flexibility, I wanted to impact people's lives and my age demographic has changed dramatically and I wanted my daughter to see that it didn't matter what, how old you were, what your education was or what you were doing in life. I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up. Who knows what I'll be doing when I'm 50. Right, because ultimately she's in her getting ready to start her third year in college. Who am I to say, what do you want to be when you grow up? Who knows what I'll be doing when I'm 50, right, because ultimately she's in her getting ready to start her third year in college? Who am I to say, what do you want to be when you grow up? I've changed something every 10 years, so your why has to be really, really big and it's got to be more than I want to make you know six figures. You have to have a really big why.
Speaker 2:And then you start chunking away, kind of like how you eat an elephant. Figure out how much it's going to take to get down to part-time, figure out how much it's going to take and then figure out where you want to be. Do you want to be in a big gym and work the floor and do that, or do you want to be in your own personal space? When I first started and started at another gal's personal training facility never in a million years I'm not looking to own I reached out to you hey, this A, b and C happened. You're like I think it's time for you to get your own place and you know that's a scary step. But if you want it, bad enough, it will happen. But you have to chunk it away. You can't just go into it and think, oh, I'm going to make this much money. You can, as long as your focus is more on what?
Speaker 1:you're going to do for everybody else. I love that because it's all about goal setting and just realistic expectations. And too many times today, people will just make this like you're saying the elephant analogy, where they see it and they're like, oh well, I'm changing careers, this is a monster, I'm not gonna be able to do it versus okay, what's step one and what would be a manageable amount that we could make, and how are we going to do that? Okay, I need to get five clients and they're going to be paying X amount. So where am I going to find those five clients, whether it's social media or going out with my connections and as we age and we have that Rolodex of connections and so you can start reaching out and you show your worth. And the next thing you know, you have three gyms.
Speaker 2:I think, too, as we age right, Because in reality, you and I both know we just want to train people, we love it, we want to work out and. But in reality, like you, really don't know who your avatar is and and in the beginning I wanted to be able to train in a gym and I wanted to have an online business, because at that time my daughter was in high school and she played select ball. We traveled a lot and that was the vision I cast to her right. And I cast my vision to her because you don't know what they're seeing and watching and taking in. And she's like, well, can you just quit your job today? And I'm like, well, that would be lovely, but we have bills to pay. But I thought my niche was going to also be able to work online, because that is what is sold right now out there, Right, and that is fine if that is what you can do.
Speaker 2:But I would only have a trickle of people because, in reality, my best attribute is in person. I have a. You know I'm kind of weird, Chris, because I'm worried like what if they're not squatting right? What if they're not engaging their pelvic floor? What if their shoulders messed up. What if you know all of those things? And so you um, you really have to have also be able to to pivot, because my clientele is very, very different than it was even two years ago.
Speaker 2:And now I'm working on a certification for women's health and really looking at the changes that women are dealing with with endometriosis, PCOS, perimenopause, menopause Not that anybody, any of us, want to be there, but we are and that changes the dynamic of us mentally, physically, our sleep, our health and everything as we go through that.
Speaker 2:And so a lot of times, women give up when they're going through that stage, and so God really laid that on my heart last year as I was opening this location of really pivoting, of how I wanted to shape, moving forward and who I wanted to impact. And if you don't take that and I think that's on any job, especially as an entrepreneur if you're not able to pivot just like if you couldn't pivot during COVID a lot of people lost their jobs, right If we're not pivoting as a trainer, especially as we age and we look at the shift in our clientele, six months later we're thinking, well, crap, how am I going to keep the doors open? And that's the last place I want to be, and I want these younger trainers to also see that transition as they age and as they're aging as growing moms, you know. See that transition as they age and as they're aging as growing moms, you know. So it's an adventure that I think everyone should have to, at least try, but not everyone will want to.
Speaker 1:That just shows you credit to you because those critical thinking skills are so important where, unfortunately, you're brought into this industry with a textbook and then they tell you right away find your niche. And so I think that can be very problematic because you're thinking well, I haven't really trained many people, I don't know if I want to train someone who's older or younger my age, whatever it is and so then we get in our minds and we're thinking maybe I'm not going to be able to work with this person I got to find this out now and we almost get anxious from it versus take a step back. Do you have the competency which is programming and anatomy? You have the people skills. Go out there and just see what you like, because your why is to help people. Well, see what type of people you want to help, and it can be very.
Speaker 1:I can really feel for that new trainer who's. They have that pearl in their head where they're thinking I have to work with women 50 years old, and so then they're missing out a lot of opportunities because maybe they could have worked with younger athletes or just a whole nother ball game that they weren't even thinking about. That pivot is so important to be able to know that life's going to throw your curveballs and when they do, smile and adjust and you'll be fine.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and it was very overwhelming. It brought me a ton of anxiety because you don't know and when you're just reading a textbook and I don't know that. I was following a lot of trainers. But I will say this Thank you for putting a ton of education out there, because, especially early on, because I learned a ton then. Ok, well, this is why you don't want to basically squat when you're doing your kettlebell swing and you want to use your hamstrings, right, this is why we're doing this. This is going to be a much better exercise for her because, like you're learning so much and when you go from your small gym in your garage and just praying to God, you can figure things out basically to having a whole gym or a. You know a bunch of toys, right, I got lots of toys there. I love them and that makes life interesting, but it also allows you to do a lot of unique things.
Speaker 2:But if it wouldn't have been for a lot of educational you know stories and stuff like that you don't know and I think that's a huge problem for young trainers um, when they're coming in is like they don't know, they're told they got to have a niche. It's scary, it's overwhelming and, um, you get one person that quits, you're like, well, I, I don't know what I'm doing, I didn't, and it is hard. But, like you said, as we age, like we have this big rolodex of contacts and stuff like that. Maybe they're and they're not going to work, but they know someone who's wanting to do this and that or the other. And my daughter sent me a great little meme years ago and it says friends never become clients, but your clients become friends and that's 100% true. You know that as well as I do. My clients don't send me whiskey, but it evolves into a lifetime of friendship.
Speaker 2:I've've got clients have been with me for four years. That is phenomenal and it's expanded in that in a lot of ways. But what's even more is when they're sharing your, what you're doing for them, they're sharing your feed, whatever the case may be, because then their friends are this like okay, well, she, well, she's like, she's in it for the long haul. Look at what they've gained from that. It's not just about getting through the exercise, it's not about that, it's that she's going to help me go through A, b and C. But those friends that you gain as a trainer because of the know me, like me, trust me, it just continues to expand and you truly don't know.
Speaker 2:I went to my last high school graduation, or my last high school client Right, I didn't want to. She'd been with me for four years, so I was, I would not give her up. But I went to her graduation Saturday and her grandma came up and said I wanted to know more about that sassy senior class, right, so you never know what kind of impact that you're going to have, because she's like I've been seeing you at all these games. Absolutely, that's what you do. You put into your clients in a lot of different ways and it just continues to grow outside of that.
Speaker 1:And that just shows to your why that you were saying earlier. That's really neat because those are, those are very powerful moments when you experience them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely Absolutely. And anytime. Everybody's like how do you do this? All day you lived all of our stuff. You're working out in some way shape or form. I said because the biggest reward is when you're like, oh, look at what I can do. Oh, like my first line. You know one of my early on clients. Her first goal, her first big goal, was to get out of the floor gracefully because she was over 300 pounds and had been overweight her entire life. You know, that is a simple goal, but everybody thinks they have to have this big, grander goal when in reality it's about everyday life. Well, now, now fast forward four years. She won. She gets out of the floor, just fine. She told me back then. Three pounds was heavy and I was like no, it's not, just like, yes, it is. I was like no, it's not, you know. And now she's pressing 20 and 25 overhead. You know you watch them win. That's what keeps us going. You know that as well as I do. That's the reward of what we do every day.
Speaker 1:I love that and I have to thank you for looking past the personality on social media and realizing there's more than just a textbook, and so we've been able to connect and still stay in contact. It's really neat to see your progressions and fast forward. Four years from now it's going to be a whole different story Not completely, but there's going to be things that you probably weren't planning on. But that's part of the great things about being six feet above the ground.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I think I was looking back at some old clips. I think you were just shedding the mullet when we first started coming into contact and I'm like you know I love watching that too, because you don't. You know we communicate. I recommend show up fitness all the time. I have my trainers use it and I'm going to tell you this I've been working with a lot of soft tissue scraping for years, but I'm excited to go through that program.
Speaker 2:But I've just now been able to settle down and have any time to think. So that's always a. I'm going to touch on something as a trainer when they're coming in. If you think that you know it and you got it all in the bag, you're wrong, because every year you can be learning something new, and I think that's the biggest mistake one can make, too, is just kind of sitting back and putting it on cruise, because every year, my, you know, from pre and post back surgery to pre and post knee surgery to you know, every year there's been this wave of people that have come in.
Speaker 2:And if you're not constantly looking at how to connect with a therapist or learn soft tissue or think about the anatomy in a different way, right pelvic floor issues have become a major, major forefront, and they always have been, but they were never talked about then you you miss out on how you can grow as a trainer and and that would be once you're going like you need to stay keeping yourself educated.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Words of wisdom right there, so thank you very much. Well, this was awesome catching up, and where can people find you on when it comes to the worldwide web?
Speaker 2:My website is ampedlifestylecom and you can find me on Facebook and Instagram, michelle Smith, amped Lifestyle. They're both underscored differently. I am on LinkedIn, though I am not very active anymore. I'm a little bit busy in here and I'm glad to do that, but I do try to stay active on there when I can. It's been great. Thank you so much. When I shared my little tidbit of being a trainer for six years, I knew you would have a comment that we both liked, but I was excited to share because I think so many trainers go in and they get kind of lost in the shuffle and they feel like they don't make a difference and and they.
Speaker 2:They may feel that way because they haven't had anyone to really help show them. And then I learned that with my trainer in here and she's like I've learned more just listening you to you coach your clients than I ever learned and she got her NASM certification same time, like it, and I hate that. But I'm glad that she's learning and changing and pivoting and growing and looking at it completely different.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. So I'm going to put this into the Qualified Personal Trainers Community Facebook board and I'll make sure to tag you, and people will probably be really connecting with this story because it's really neat to see everything that you've done. So I'm proud of you and looking forward to the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you so much. I am grateful that you showed up.
Speaker 1:Thank you, michelle. Have a great day, we'll see you.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Bye-bye.