Pass NASM at 59 | How to Become a Personal Trainer | NASM CPT Success Story

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In this episode, we sit down with Shiv, who passed her NASM exam at age 59 using the Show Up Fitness Study Guide and is proving it’s never too late to start a second career in fitness.

We discuss:
 • Becoming a personal trainer later in life
 • Overcoming self-doubt and imposter syndrome
 • How she passed NASM
 • What the fitness industry is really like
 • Advice for aspiring trainers over 50
 • Why experience and people skills matter more than age

• Hands on learning with SUF CPT in Santa Monica

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Transcript

Welcome And Quick Housekeeping

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Welcome to the Show Up Fitness Podcast where great personal trainers are made. We are changing the fitness industry one qualified trainer at a time with our in-person and online personal training certification. If you want to become an elite personal trainer, head on over to showofffitness.com. Also make sure to check out my book, How to Become a Successful Personal Trainer. Don't forget to subscribe, rate, and review. Have a great day and keep showing up. Howdy,

Meet Miss Chieve And Her Shift

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y'all. Welcome back to the Show Off Fitness Podcast. Today we have Miss Chieve. Thank you for taking your time. We are in a career change. We are kicking ass and we just passed our NASA. We want to help people follow a cool journey like yourself. So thank you for showing up today. Well, thank you for having me. We are 59 years young, and you are a rock star, quite the hunk at, and you have a really cool story. So I want to hear about your transformation, your life in law, and then what you inspire to do in this life as a personal trainer. Oh gosh, Chris, that's a lot. But

Big Law Dream Turns Into Shackles

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we'll just try and do it uh quickly. Um so yes, I am. I'll be 59 in June, and obviously I have an accent, so I'm English in America. Um, I'm in California. I got here in 1999 as a corporate securities attorney with a big law firm. I had made it. I had made it, and now I was in America. It was fantastic. Except it wasn't really that fantastic for me because having got there, it really wasn't what I thought it was. And I think I possibly had that moment that a lot of people have at, say, 40 and 50. I just was lucky to have it early. Um, but it was very difficult because this was the life that I trained for. This was my dream coming true, and it really was turning out to be more like of a waking nightmare. But what I got, what did I have to complain about? You know, here I was, little country girl, in now in San Francisco, in America, admitted through the New York Bar, uh, qualified in England, uh, working for big law, big uh corporate securities, and it's the heyday of the dot-com boom. So everything was popping in San Francisco. Um, it really was the high life. I worked on the 50th floor of the Bank of America building overlooking the bay, and ironically, Alcatraz. So one night I had this dream that I was in the elevator and I was fumbling with my feet, and I didn't know why. We I went up to the top, did my security card, went through, and all day long there was like a clanging sound. And then at night time, I went back to the elevator, it was a very long day, and was fumbling once again with my with my feet. And then I realized as I got out that I got bloody shackles on and I was letting myself out of them. I literally was walking into the red carpet penitentiary every single day and voluntarily walking out. Yeah, that's what we call that nine to five. But as we know in the in the law world, it's more like seven to ten, huh? Uh more like six to eleven? Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh weekends included. Yeah. And so, I mean, that's it's pretty powerful and humbling to be able to recognize that, you know, you just kind of pulled the ripcord and said, This isn't what I

Weight Struggles And A 9/11 Wake-Up

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want. And I want to be able to do something else. And so you had a really cool story with your transformation. So I take it, you know, during that time, did we end up putting on some weight, or how did the weight come on? Oh, yes. Well, I started dieting at 11. So I remember being at private school, it was a boarding school, but I wasn't a boarder, I was a daily. I still have no idea how A, I got some kind of um postal order. You know, I was 11. I'm 59 now. It's a very long time ago. We didn't have a Venmo. So I somehow ordered this um chocolate shake that helped you lose weight, and it got delivered to my school. I somehow managed to smuggle it home because it was a box, and my mom's like, she sees everything. Um, and it didn't taste like a chocolate shake, and I didn't lose weight with it. But I would for all that time struggle with my weight. So at 34, when I left law, uh I'd reached 220 pounds, I'm five foot four. Um, and um, and I didn't, I really didn't know how to leave law. Uh, but then on September 9th, 2001, I was delivered a fire in my bed. Uh my house burnt down. And uh that would be two days before the World Trade Center would happen. So it's quite a big had a five days of my friend in England died on Friday, who has to do a lot of drugs with because when I was an attorney, we used to do a lot of drugs. It was. Um, and uh on Saturday I had a car accident in my friend's car. I was training to do the AIDS marathon in San Francisco for the San Francisco AIDS marathon, uh, for the San Francisco AIDS Foundation, and we're gonna do it in Hawaii to raise money. I tried losing weight for myself and it hadn't worked. And then I saw this and I thought, well, what if I tried to do something for someone else? So my friend had loaned me his car to go to that meeting to do my training run, and I had a car accident. This turns out to be the day before the fire. That cost me $650 to pay for his car, and the next morning my house burned down or my apartment, and with us in bed and no um no insurance. And then on Monday, not much happened, and on Tuesday the World Trade Center happened. My firm gave me a week off and $5,000 to put my life back together. And I found myself in the office the following week. I fortunately had my own office, door closed, and I had deal documents all on the floor, piled high as we did, and I realized I didn't care anymore. And that's a problem. Because the only way they kept me where was there was because I cared so deeply about what I did and how I did it and being the best that I could possibly be. Now I didn't care. And so I somehow decided I was going to leave that December, that New Year's Eve. And I walked out with no plans, but with three questions. Could I be happy? Could I leave a positive footprint? And could I make a difference? All the reasons that you know I joined law, really. And now look at you. We've recently passed NASA, and you know, obviously, as a lawyer, we can't go through and tell anything on the exam because we are we are good Americans over here, and we don't do that. But just really, I think uh I get a lot of people who are in similar situations where you know we have life events that happen, and it's like we are not happy. And what people do find is when we exercise, you get that dopamine punch and you start feeling good, and then when you see yourself go through a transformation, you're like, wow, I can do it. And then you want to do the same with others and help them. And so, what motivated you to get into the career?

Finding NASM And Choosing Show Up

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Did you start typing in like how to become a trainer? Or and then how did you come across NASA? And then how'd you come across Show Up? It's uh, you know, as much of what's happened to me since I left Law, it it really was I wasn't planned. So I remember that last this uh there was a December when Girls Guns Flung advertising about a menopause specialist coaching, and it was going to come out in June. So I put myself on the wait list and I didn't let me do those things. Um, because I don't like certifications. Remind me to talk about that. And um, so I did that, and then they actually had some kind of competition that if you finished, you could win something. I did finish, I fucking won. Oh, I'm allowed to swear. Oh, of course, I love it. I fucking won. And uh so I won the women's lifestyle coaching package, which was amazing. So I uh there and I'm like doing that, but I'm thinking I'm gonna do a nutrition. So that's where I started. I was going to do a nutrition course, and so there was um what's his name? PM Nutrition. Um I didn't like it. Uh I don't like his voice. Uh I've got I'm really particular about people's sounds. So people have a when they're talking, it sounds like they need a drink of water. It's a placking sound, and so I can't listen to it. So I just have to say, and I'm sorry, I can't listen to it, it's terrible. I mean, and also it was terrible. So and I've done a lot of nutrition myself, you know, over the years. So um so that was it. And then somehow I was like, well, I could be a trainer, I could do that. In 2004, I thought about doing an assumed trainer, and my friend gave me the textbook rather than looking at that fucking thing and being like um and so it was kind of funny to come back here and I thought, well, maybe it's better now, you know, maybe it's maybe it's different, maybe I just had a butt you know. So I signed up for it, and and you don't even get a book anymore. You know, so for someone like me, I would much rather have the book than the digital, like to have that thing. Now you've got this fucking digital thing, and I got to chapter three or four, and I'm like, hmm, this is gonna take a really long time, and I don't really make notes. I'm not really sure how I study, but I don't make notes on flashcards because I mean they take so long, and then like I I it's escaped me. So um, yeah, I started searching for how to purse, and I came across you, and there's another guy too, but I forget his name, but I know yours. And you know what I like about you? I think that we might be quite similar in that people will either lovers or hate us. And I love that because they have such visceral feelings about you, you know? And so I love when people have visceral feelings, but the most that I love about you is that you're passionate, and I love passion. Like when someone's passionate about what they do and they want to create something and they want to do something better and iterate it, because iteration is my favorite thing, then I'm on board. And so you you really just like got me sold on that part, you know, and I've been part of your community now. Um, gosh, I only met you. Well, you called me back in A. 2026, and I got a phone call back, I got a text back, I got a little video back, because whatever I did, he did. I text him, he text me back, I videoed him, he videoed me back. I'm just walking. Um, and then I said, Can we speak? And he says yes, and the next day we speak. I mean it must have been my voice. No, I mean it is, it's all of it, right? It's the whole like so you know when you get here if it's right. Um, but being part of the community and having the calls and actually being able to speak with people and connect with people prices. Yeah, that's just I mean, and that's why I think we relate with so many people as a second career, because yeah, as a lawyer, you were talking earlier. It's like if you want to become better, you have to surround yourself by other lawyers. And yeah, you have to be in the books, but you have to level up, you got to level up. And so I just feel for a lot of trainers because they have a similar story like you, and they want to help individuals, but then they're just given this book and they're like, I'm so lost because it doesn't make sense. And they're thinking, like, subconsciously, I'm going to be a personal trainer, but yet I'm stuck here reading a book. And so, like, you get this people talk about imposture syndrome, but you know, you got to give yourself a lot of credit because you went through the program and you passed NASA, but then you did the hands-on learning and you went to a course.

Hands-On Learning Beats The Textbook

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And can you just kind of talk about the difference between the learning process and what you're able to grab from the textbook versus the two days here in Santa Monica and the comparison there? Yeah, I mean, I want to come back and do my two days because I when I did the two days, I was so, so, so, so green. And it wasn't that long ago. That's the fantastic thing. So, for anyone who's listening to this and looking at NASA and thinking, oh my God, I really just don't know how to do this. That really was me. I only met you like two months ago. Um, and so I was not even that actually. So I think I had the NASIM for like 10 weeks when I when I did it. And I totally felt at the beginning like, oh my gosh. But if you find yourself a foundation and you find yourself a relational point, then you can build on it because all of this stuff just builds, and that's the beauty of it, that even though you've passed, there's so much more behind me, like there's so much more to build on it. Um, so it's quite fascinating on that. But to read something in a book and then or to have somebody tell you on audio, or to have somebody show you on video, or to be in person with somebody doing it and you doing it, it's massive. I mean, it's just massive. You just can't condense that, you can't get that experience. Um, and so you bring together all of those worlds in that we've got stuff on video, we've got stuff that we do live, we've got workshops we can come to. We've gonna because the problem with tests is people learn stuff to pass tests. Well that's not very reassuring when you send your grandma into the gym because he thinks you might need to move, or your mom or yourself, you know. Um, and so I think that's that's the big thing. And then and then if you have questions, because why who does not have questions? Even even you have questions, Chris, right? So you refer out to your team, and that's another thing. You have a team that you refer out to, and um, and so that all of those things make a big difference because when I have a question, Chris or Megan or Ashley or Tyson or Adam, you know, there's a bunch of people that we can ask, or Mel, there's a bunch of people that we can ask, and that makes all the difference. And I think that's a really a fine differentiator, is because when you're doing it by yourself, the moment you get frustrated, you're gonna quit. And you're either gonna put it aside for a week. God knows. Some I've had people put it aside for years. Whereas now you go, you know, I'm gonna text Chris. I'm struggling with this. I was on that last call, and there are some people who are really sharp and I'm feeling a little behind. What do I need to do? And I'll just say, well, keep on listening to the podcast or hop in, you know, focus on this area over here. And as you did it more and more and more and more, it just kind of clicks. I think that's what there's a little anxiety around that because you have someone who's telling you, like, just be patient, it's gonna work, I guarantee it. But you're thinking, I don't know it, I don't know it, I don't know it. But as you know, you go through it and then you took the test. It took you what, about 30 minutes, you flew right through it. Yeah, I was in the room for 40 minutes total, and I did a little practice test thingy, you know. Um, fortunately, I'd done a bunch of the practice tests. This only time I opened an ASM after doing chapter three, it was closed. And then I think about 10 days before the test, I had this idea of, oh, I think they have practice test, there's a practice test in there. And then I did one, and I said, Well, is it going to be the same one? And I redid it and it was a different one. So I was like, oh, I like this. Um, and so that was what I was doing. It took me like 30 minutes, less than 30 minutes to do that 100. And I would just look at the ones that I got wrong, and it would just, it just kind of, when I sat there for the exam, I just felt very like it was very familiar, the whole format and everything. Um, I think if I would something I would want to know if I was going to the exam, um that's not part of the exam, is obviously it depends on the facility that you go to, but I didn't know that they would have a locker, say, for my things. I thought I could, I just took my keys and I left my stuff in the car. Um, and our facility started as early. So it said my exam was at 11:30, but they had me through all the zappers and all the different things. Crazy. For an exam. It's like crazy. I was like, I. Um, and uh, and then they put me in the room. And then actually, when I came out, they're like, Do you need the bathroom? I was like, Oh no, I'm done. Um, but I was glad that I already knew that I would finish early because I would have been freaking out and looking around, like, why am I the only one leaving? Why am I leaving so early? So I think that even if you're slower in answering questions, um, it really is a lot of time. There is like, I think people worry about time. Um, and there is a lot of time to complete those questions. And I think that's one of the great things about you is your growth mindset because already just how you studied, a lot of people would take one of those tests, and if they get like a 50, they start internalizing that, oh, I'm not gonna be able to make it, I'm not good enough. And then they'll go back to the book and they'll start dissecting a chapter that is irrelevant. And so you were smart enough to know that okay, whatever score I got, it doesn't really matter. I'm gonna learn from the ones I missed and I'm just gonna improve. And then, you know, you get that monster off your back. And as I tell people, it's like great. And uh, you said something earlier because I find it fascinating with folk over there because you guess they qualified a lot. Like trainers over there, they call themselves qualified trainers, but over here, we don't use that vocabulary. I do because I think there's a big difference between qualified, which I say you understand the human body versus a certified trainer, they barely understand their own. So you can only imagine a trainer who doesn't have that coach or that mentor to help with their programming and continue on with their success. They go out there and now they go, okay, I'm gonna start training people. I'm gonna go gain experience. And it's like, okay, well, how do you train? Because you could have a kid who comes in, the 17-year-old, your first client, and then you have a 50-year-old lawyer, and then you have someone who's in pain, and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I wasn't ready for that.

Why Certifications Don’t Equal Readiness

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Did you feel like the NASA exam in and by itself and the prep? Do you think it sets you up for success? Oh, God, no. I mean, the only thing it sets you up for is opening doors to gyms, which is really scary. Like it's just and I have I only took the certification. I hate certifications personally, because who certified the certifier? It's always my question. Who certified the certifier? Because I know one thing about that certifier, they get paid every single time. And if they are like the National Association of Spectacular Marketing, as you call them, then they get paid cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching all the way through the cycle, you know, and it it annoys me. However, the world blessed the world, needs the fucking certifications. So what I was seeing, which is this is really super personal to me, is why I'm actually doing it. I've resisted doing any kind of weight loss training or any kind of training with. I've done a lot of coaching and a lot of habit coaching and a lot of meditation teaching. But the weight loss part, I have clients that have lost weight, but they lose weight not because they came to me to lose weight. We don't talk about diet or anything. It's different now because I've got a lot more information myself. But the reason I want to do it now is I see as a woman, basically, if you're born a girl, then you're thrown into the piranha tank immediately. And then throughout the different seasons of your life, this visual came to me the other day of we're in this piranha tank and we're just being eaten. We're just everyone wants a bit of us, they've got a supplement, they've got a fucking program, they've got this, they've got that. And what really gets me, not that you have to have gone through it, is that there's some fucking 25-year-old telling me that it's not my hormones, or it's not this, or it's not that, and it's not that. And the answer to a lot of these things is yes, and because I would like to remind people that six percent of research for exercise and sport and nutrition is on women. Six fucking percent. So when people say it's not, they don't know because it's never been fucking studied. However, these women living in these bodies, like me, they do know. So I lost my weight, but then menopause hit, uh, perimenopause hit at like 50, gained 20 pounds. Started getting up and doing Paloton three times a week and did not miss, only once because I had COVID in 72 weeks. I did not miss, it was not an option. And I got ripped. But then menopause hit again, and I started HRT. HRT doesn't make you gain weight. That's what they say. Except overnight I gained 15 pounds. Literally, fucking, I can I can see the week when it happened, and everyone's telling me it's all in my mind. No, no, no, you know, like you my doctor told me that I should take more responsibility. However, I didn't flaw her, I do not know. I just didn't go back to her. So I understand how women are being misunderstood, misrepresented, and also just being just being sold a lie, you know. Um, and so I've done the fucking certification so that world, yes, I am a menopause specialist coach, I am a women's lifestyle coach, I am a certified personal trainer, but I also have a lot of lived experience. And quite often it's not the information that we need, it's someone on the path that is there with us that understands the grit and the glory that you can share that with and you can plan with and you can succeed with.

Menopause Fitness Myths And Real Empathy

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And that empathy is so important because you're gonna have, like you said, that life experience. And you know, you're gonna have women who don't want to work with a 20-year-old influencer, one because of just the the professionalism that lacks today. And I can't tell you how many times people will reach out to me on social media and they go, bro, or yo, and it's like we lose that professionalism. And so when you have someone in front of you and you can have a conversation and then you can help empathize, A, but then you actually give them a route for their success, they're gonna be grateful for you. And you can absolutely, for any of those that are listening, I'm a personality, and that's why I I love working with you, is because that you can see past that. And we even had to start another group because you know, a lot of people don't like me out there. And it's I'm not gonna change my personality. I'm passionate about this. And I feel really because how many in my mind, what's fires me up is how many sheaves are out there that weren't able to turn this into a career because they're one of the statistics where 90% of trainers quit within the first year. And you can obviously see why, because they read it, they pass it, and they're like, Well, no, great, I can get potentially a job interview. But then when you get hired at that gym, they say, Great, okay, here are eight clients, go train them. And you go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what do you mean? What's my what's my learning curve? What no? Go out there and train them and then also resign them up, get them results, and then sell them. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I wasn't prepared for this. And so that's where I get fired up, is because I know for a fact that we can give people the tools, it's up to them to implement those tools. And you're a very, very smart individual and you have a great story, and you're gonna be able to rate with so many people. So as they say, the is it the oyster is your world or the world is your oyster? World is your oyster. And and you're gonna be able to look back on your past and be like, that was nuts. I really had those shackles on, I hated doing that, but now it's really cool when a client. Comes in and they say, Oh, I had a little back pain and you helped them, or I couldn't lose weight because I heard some dipshit guy telling me it wasn't my hormones or whatever it was, and and you're able to empathize with them, and then you they have that source now, and so it's just really neat to see that you know you can turn this into a career, whether if it's a second, a third, a fourth, whatever it is, but having that team, that community where you can go to is you know, our community isn't just me, it's it's people who you can relate to. I really respect you because just the other day on one of the calls, you connected with someone who is a lot younger than you. I was loving it. I was like, this is cross-generation because that's what we need as women. We need to be connecting with those at 23. We don't need to have our message given to us at 55. You know, we want to be building that strength. We want to be future-proofing ourselves, we want to be strong, we want to be giving that, and especially right now, uh GLPs are you know very helpful for the people who need them, but we are seeing the return of the skinny, and it's really disturbing to see, you know, celebrities who were extremely strong before of just disappearing and being, you know, giving our girls that that as a an example. And what we need to be is a living example of, you know, fucking strong, strong as fuck forever, you know, like really. We talk about the biopsychosocial model of pain and how important that that psychology aspect is, because as you were saying, it's unfortunate because you know, ladies are thrown into this piranha tank. And at a young age in high school, you're exposed to a bunch of nonsense where you got a diet and diet culture. And then who are we now idolizing? It's unfortunate. But we go to the person who has the most followers and they're just giving you their anecdotes and they're not empathetic and they're not listening to you as a person. I think that's really the disconnect that our field is experiencing is that we are personal trainers, we need that one-on-one connection. But what we do is we dilute it by just sending out a blanket statement. Whereas a 22-year-old, you're not gonna be able to relate to someone who just had two kids, and you hear that all the time. Oh, we all have the same 24 hours. The fuck you do, because the other night, you know, my daughter, she's nine months old and she was throwing a shift fit and I got an hour of sleep. And I'll tell you what, that day was absolutely pathetic. I can't just listen to a David Goggins tape and all of a sudden become this mastermind. It's like we're not all equal in that regard. And so when you can empathize with people and say, you know what, I'm here to help you. I'm not just gonna give you some template that's gonna work for everyone. Where are you struggling? Let's just create that connection. And then when you have a plan, and guess what? Now you're motivating that person, you're fighting, you're lighting a fire under their ass because you're giving them hope. And that's what people need. We need more people like you who can give others hope. And so I think that's a great little segue on what you want to do next and what are some of your aspirations.

The One-Woman Revolution And No Regret

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Well, obviously, you know, I really want to uh help really with work with women in my age group, um, and especially those who feel that you know they're too old or they haven't started soon enough and they don't know what they're doing. I really love being able to open someone's world. I think of you know, stoking your own fire and sparking someone else's. We don't need to be the log to someone's fire. If we could just spark a few fires, you know, um, so I talk about as having the one woman revolution and that the inside each and every one of us is a one-woman revolution, and it's for us to come together for the revolution. So it's not Chris's revolution or my revolution or Ben's revolution. We're all here doing the same thing. So let's all get together, let's all remember that the power is in us and that we are the ones we've been waiting for, right? So to remind the women who have been giving and giving and giving and giving, they arrive at this time, and it's a really different time. Their bodies changing, maybe their relationship's changing, maybe their children are leaving, their whole landscape is changing, not to mention that we're coming into our third act. There's no getting away from it. There's more youth behind us than there is future in front of us. And that's not morbid. That means live now. Do it while you can, because you can, for the times you can't and for those who can't. And if you do that every time, you won't have, when it comes to the end, the added regret. So I think about my finger, and the what the Friday before that my finger happened, I almost didn't go to the beach in the morning, and I almost didn't go for tacos in the evening. I did go and draw in the morning and I met a beautiful artist, and I did go in the evening, and that was beautiful. And then when my finger happened, and now I can't go, and that's actually my therapy. So it's all kind of messed up. Um, I don't have the added regret of, you know, I should have gone when I could have gone. Because I can sit here and say, Well, I went when I went, well, I went when I could. And um, and so I don't have that. And I think that that is possibly the biggest thing that we can do is there's added regret that we don't need to carry. If we do what we can while we can, because we can. I know you don't want to work out today, babes, but you can. Imagine if you can't. And those who can't, right? It is a privilege. It is a privilege to get old, it is a privilege to be able to work out, it is a privilege to be able to do what we can do while we can do it. I love it. And you're gonna help so many people excited to watch your process. And then for those that got through this podcast, what would be those last little pointers for those that are trying to pass their NASA? They can't

Final NASM Tips And Where To Connect

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get a refund, they're stuck with it. What would those pointers be? Well, I hope you're signed up for your SUFCPT first. Um, and then after that, I think, you know, just stick at it, get the guide, because that's going to be the best money that you spent. And Chris has not paid me to say this, but that literally is the only thing. I don't think I have mine here, but that is the only thing that I I looked at. And um I didn't even make notes on it. I just kind of read it and listen, listen to all of the calls. So if you've got the guide, you get the calls. Because I would just walk and walk and walk and just have it going on. Like Chris has yapped in my ear for so many hours, I gotta tell you. And you're like, oh, here he is again. Awesome. I love it. And then you got through it, and then what are you hoping to do next? I'm hoping to uh liberate the women and make them very, very, very strong. So uh working with meditation, I work with meditation, so my whole thing is about women having a strong body, clear mind, and a wild spirit, because the wild spirit is incredibly important. So it's all about how can we bring it all together. So, yes, I want to do the training, but I think it's the the coaching and the guiding and the being with someone and then being in community together, like bringing women together. I want like this all of these women coming together so we have someone else to talk to and someone else to walk with and someone else to be with. And where could people find you if they wanted to connect with you? Right now I'm at sanscribe.global because I haven't got my site up. Okay. All right, well you can catch up. She's going through the program to get uh her CPT. And also, you're going to pursue some nutrition stuff with us and just excited. Absolutely. Yeah. I love the nutrition. Nutrition's like, I get fired up on that one. All right. Well, again, thank you, Sheep, for your time today. Looking forward to seeing you again. Thank you so much. I appreciate the time, Chris.