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Your Therapist Needs Therapy 82 - Mario Kart Ethics: Luigi and the CEO
We’re back this week with a doozy of an episode! Jeremy takes aim at some lessons learned from current events regarding class consciousness, violence in oppressive systems, and vigilante justice. We look at the different psychological concepts surrounding Luigi Mangione’s *alleged* shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and the various cognitive biases that come up during conversations regarding the ethics of what is, and what is not, allowable violence in our modern society.
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Hey, what's up, everybody?
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My name is Jeremy Schumacher.
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I am a licensed marriage and
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family therapist.
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I'm the Jer in Wellness with Jer.
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Thanks for stopping by,
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listening to the podcast,
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or watching on the YouTube,
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wherever you're consuming this media.
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Boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm just ready for story
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time about Mario Kart.
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we're not actually going to
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talk about mario karts
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today that is an elaborate
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ruse to not get my video
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blocked we're going to talk
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about the ethics of
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unaliving a ceo via red
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shell or blue shell in
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mario kart if your playable
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character is luigi the
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internet is a dumb place
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where now talking about a
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topic like this is is all
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weirdly drawn out no one
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wants to get their account
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blocked or get put on a
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list as a terrorist
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so yeah let's talk about the
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psychology the cognitive
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biases involved in this
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mario kart based example
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it's it's really hard to be
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neurodivergent and talk
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about this because there's
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so many things I want to
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say both about like the
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ethics of actual blue
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shells and red shells in
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mario kart uh which is
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missing the point because
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it's a game that's designed to be
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an unknown as opposed to a
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skill-based race.
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So Nintendo doesn't care
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about your ethical quandaries.
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They want the game to be fun,
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and there's a random chance
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involved in that funness.
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And this is a topic I wanted
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to do right away.
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And again,
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it's just been sort of weird to
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watch media personas talk about it
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uncomfortably.
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And I think that's because
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we don't really know what's
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happening with the next
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presidential administration
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and how retaliatory they will be.
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But obviously, you have an unethical CEO.
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You have several unelected
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officials who unethically
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have too much money.
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And you have the wealthiest
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cabinet since twenty sixteen,
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which was the previous wealthiest cabinet,
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because of course you do,
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because this was always
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about making money off of a
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political station.
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So I think people are
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uncomfortable given the
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current political climate
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to talk freely about this.
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But I think we need to look
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at what sort of is going on
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and what the argument even
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is by the mainstream media,
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which has been captured by
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billionaire ruling class
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and why it's then like hard
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for other people to talk about.
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So in case you've been
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living under a rock.
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Allegedly.
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Luigi Mangione, who
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is allegedly, not allegedly,
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he's going to be on trial soon,
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but allegedly shot a CEO,
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CEO of UnitedHealthcare in
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New York a couple of weeks
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ago and was charged as a terrorist.
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And the internet has thoughts.
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I too have thoughts.
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So we're going to talk about that.
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That's what's really not
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about Mario Kart at all.
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So let's start with some of
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the cognitive biases that the media,
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and I would say just like
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propaganda in general,
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is trying to take advantage of.
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And then like what some of
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the issues are for you,
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perhaps not a consumer of
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mainstream media or
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somebody who's not super on board,
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but feels not super on
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board with a healthcare for
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profit system.
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But maybe it's like, I don't know how to,
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I don't really want to
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advocate for violence.
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That doesn't seem great either.
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So we're going to talk about that.
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So I think the first thing
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that I watched like Chris Cuomo,
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and again,
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I don't watch mainstream media either.
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I don't own cable.
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So I think this was on CNN,
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but I just saw it clipped
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somewhere and it's like, all right,
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I finally sort of have my
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angle to talk about this.
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Has been talking about like the CEO,
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I didn't even like look up his name,
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Brian Johnson, Thompson, I should know.
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from UnitedHealthcare as an
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identifiable victim effect.
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So this plays on a mix of
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different cognitive biases.
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First one is appeal to emotion.
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Second one is identifiable victim effect.
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When we have one particular
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victim of an event or one
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particular group that's the
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victim of event,
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our empathy is much higher for that.
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And so we can have an appeal
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to emotion like,
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But think of this guy's
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children isn't that
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terrible that they don't
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have a dad now in spite of
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the fact that he was
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divorced and didn't seem to
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be particularly involved
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allegedly in his children's lives.
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Also,
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the internet's a stupid place because
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you just have to say allegedly a bunch.
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I don't know these things for facts.
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I'm a therapist,
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and these people weren't my clients.
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If they were my clients,
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I couldn't talk about it.
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And as therapists,
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I can't diagnose the people.
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So we're just talking about
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this stuff in general.
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And so trying to say, like,
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look at this one particular
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victim while ignoring the conversation,
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the wider conversation,
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which is unethical, clearly,
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to deny people life-saving
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healthcare or just
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preventable illness
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healthcare for profit.
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Putting profits above human
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life is unethical.
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And so the fact that
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UnitedHealthcare can turn a
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billion dollars profit is
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already unethical,
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let alone tens of billions
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of dollars in profit is unethical.
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And the idea that they're
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getting more and more
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profitable by denying more
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people care is like deeply unethical.
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But where the cognitive bias
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comes in is you have one person, the CEO,
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the victim of a shooting
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versus sort of an amorphous
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group of people.
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Everyone, most people have probably,
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if you're an American,
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a uniquely American problem
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like gun violence.
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It's almost like these are
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policy choices and could be
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prevented if we changed our policies.
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But you have sort of an
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amorphous group of people, all the people,
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six thousand people a month
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who are affected by our for
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profit health care system
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denying them the care that they need.
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A lot of people,
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a lot more people are affected by that.
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A lot more people know
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someone who personally is
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affected by that.
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And so mainstream media is
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fighting this information battle of like,
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this is a very relatable thing.
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People know people who are
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affected by this,
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who can't afford their medication,
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who don't go to the doctor.
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I don't get healthcare as
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often as I probably should because I, A,
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don't like going to the doctor and B,
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hate dealing with insurance
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companies because as a
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mental health provider,
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I've had to deal with
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insurance companies for a
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big chunk of my career and
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they are a pain and they do
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not have patient welfare in mind.
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They are not about providing
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care and services to people.
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They are about making a profit.
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So, like,
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I don't like dealing with that system,
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which means I don't go get
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the healthcare that I
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probably should on a fairly
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regular basis before it even comes into,
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like,
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who knows about how much this stuff
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will cost.
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Like, man,
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do I have to pull out my insurance card?
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I don't want to deal with that.
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So we have a large group,
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but it's amorphous.
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And again,
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this plays on some cognitive
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biases for humans.
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We struggle with large numbers to say,
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Each year over a hundred
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thousand people are
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affected and a hundred
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thousand people die.
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They are there.
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Their lives are ended from negligence,
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from not being able to get
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the care they need from
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getting denied for the care
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they need for not seeking
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medical care when they need
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it from this for-profit
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healthcare system.
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And so, you know,
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I've seen different things
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like the worst terrorist attacks.
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We're going to call Luigi a terrorist.
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state of new york new york
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not the rest of us uh when
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I say the word we there uh
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if he's gonna be a
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terrorist the worst
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terrorist attack ever on
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american soil is nine
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eleven right september
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eleventh about three
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thousand people were killed
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in that terrorist attack
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and so we look at having a
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nine eleven every week
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through healthcare um you
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know we have a fifty two
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weeks in a year and over a
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hundred thousand people a year so
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Yep, that math checks out.
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We have more than one
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nine-eleven a week based on
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what we're talking about.
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Almost two nine-elevens a week.
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And so like, yeah,
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that makes it a little bit more relatable,
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but three thousand is
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already a number that our
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brains don't fathom that well.
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The example I always use and
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how human brains struggle
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with large numbers is like
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I am a Green Bay Packer fan.
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Got on the green and gold today.
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Even following a loss, I don't care.
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I still support my team.
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And so the Lambeau field, the home stadium,
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historic stadium,
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best place to watch a football game.
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If you've never been, go to Lambeau.
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Holds over seventy thousand people, right?
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So there's a number I have in my head.
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I can, I can picture Lambo.
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I've been there multiple times,
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multiple games, stadiums packed.
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Uh, and I'm always baffled at both, uh,
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how many people are in line
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for concessions,
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how many people are using
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the bathroom at one time,
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the traffic to get in and
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out of the stadium.
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Interstate forty-three drive
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home is brutal.
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And so the idea of like,
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I can fathom seventy
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thousand people and yet I
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have all these ways which
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my brain can't actually
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process that many people in
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one place at a time.
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I can sort of visualize
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seventy thousand people as
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a full packed stadium at Lambeau Field,
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but I can't.
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And the people who set up
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the stadium traffic and
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deal with the interstate
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traffic couldn't fathom
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either because they didn't
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build the system that's
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capable of handling it.
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to deal with that many
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people at one time in one
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place so the human brain
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struggles with large
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numbers I would say we can
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we can conceptualize three
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thousand and also like
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there's some blanks in that
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so trying to conceptualize
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a hundred thousand trying
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to conceptualize six
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thousand like versus one
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that I've identifiable victim
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It's not really a fallacy.
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It's just like an effect.
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That idea that we can
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identify one victim versus
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this larger and also more
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amorphous group plays into
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sort of how mainstream
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media is trying to talk about this.
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other big bias that comes
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into play when when the
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defenders of the
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billionaire class who are
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paid by the billionaire
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class like jeffrey bezos
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buying the washington post
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I forget what conservative
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leaning person has made cnn
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more conservative but like
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some rich oligarch uh I was
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gonna just say some rich
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but let's call them what
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they are the ruling class
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um where they're coming in
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with um some of these
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biases to try and message
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has otherwise been a fairly
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popular event of murder of
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vigilante justice um
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allegedly I don't even know
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like how the algorithm
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algorithm works so this is
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not gonna go well just
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because I say allegedly
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every fifteen seconds to
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cover my bases um the other
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thing is is proximity bias um
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sort of how like our ethics
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are shaped by proximity so
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nobody I know personally
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nobody I've ever met or
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talked to would be like
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it's okay that my kid works
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at a child labor factory
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they're not paid and they
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work terrible conditions
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and they don't get a
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childhood nobody I've ever
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met would support that lots
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of people I know uh have
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apple products we know that apple
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have to say allegedly here I
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just said that we know I
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don't know what their
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current business practices
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are but we know that as a a
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company they have used
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child labor in other
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countries and so we're okay
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buying nike or apple or
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whatever major brand that
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is probably using child
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labor still to this day
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because it's happening far
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away in a different country
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we have a very low
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proximity we're not close
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to that that's not probably
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our race our ethnicity our
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cultural background and so
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we're not impacted by it
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where we would be impacted
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by if it was our own kid or
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if it was a kid from our
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neighborhood or we had a
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factory in town that you know had some
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deceased children's bodies
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in the dumpster at the end
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of the work week every week.
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If that was in our neighborhood,
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we would feel differently
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about it because of the proximity, right?
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this is pretty true across the board,
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like ethically sourced clothes,
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ethically sourced technology.
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I will say like the diamond
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industry has been
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interesting to sort of keep
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track of and like,
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not like I'm tracking the
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diamond industry,
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but how like the price of
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diamonds that have been
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made in a lab has really
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killed selling diamonds
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like elsewhere because
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while for rich people,
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I think the suffering does
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make it more valuable for most people.
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That's not a selling point.
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They're like, Ooh,
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a kid might've died getting
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this diamond for you versus like
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Steve in the lab made this one.
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He lives in an apartment and has two cats.
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He's a pretty happy guy.
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Thanks, Steve.
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I think most of us are going
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to pick Steve's diamond
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that was grown in a lab
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versus the one that cost a
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child to potentially die.
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Proximity bias does play an
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impact in how a lot of people, consumers,
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in this late-stage
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capitalism model spend their money.
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As long as it is
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far enough removed either
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geographically or
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culturally or there's
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enough levels of like cover
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like nike doesn't use child
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labor but nike contracts
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with this other company
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that definitely uses child
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labor so like that's sort
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of where these unethical
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business practices also
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take advantage of proximity
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bias it's far enough away
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where we can sort of like
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not be as bothered by it or
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try and convince ourselves
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to not be as biased by it
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or not bothered by it so uh
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Yeah,
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proximity bias definitely comes into it.
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I think proximity actually
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affects a lot of our ethics.
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I think, again,
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just going back to some of
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the larger numbers stuff,
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we just struggle to process that stuff.
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I think social media is
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interesting in the sense
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that watching a genocide
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happen in real time looks
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different because we can
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see some of it in social media.
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We can see the human suffering.
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We can see videos, sometimes live,
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of dead bodies.
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um that are being caused by
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atrocities and also like
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then we get bad media
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literacy we get bad faith
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actors who are trying to
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use that for propaganda as
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well both for and against
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um violence it's just like
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hey are you killing kids
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that's not okay you're in
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the wrong right like is is
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a four-year-old dying
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because of what you're
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doing stop doing that uh
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and so like that's not
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real bare bones,
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but that's not a bad standard of ethics.
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And so a company that is
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definitely doing things
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that's killing four year
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olds has to sort of try and backtrack and,
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and frame that in a different way.
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their propaganda their
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messaging and knowing that
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there are these cognitive
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biases out there that they
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can sort of take advantage
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of is what keeps them in
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business I'm reminded of
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marshall mccluhan's book
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the medium is the massage
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which is supposed to be the
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medium is the message but
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it's a typo and he loved it
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so he kept it because the
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the way the message is the
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medium by which the message
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is spread does massage the
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way you think about it
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sort of why he kept it that
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medium is the massage but
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the medium that you're
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consuming this stuff from
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also impacts it again
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watching cnn which is
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bought by um the
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billionaire really could
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last if you're reading the
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washington post you don't
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get to see those those
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comic strips that make
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jeffrey bezos look like a
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bad guy because he started
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banning them um because
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that's why you buy a
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newspaper that's why you
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buy twitter if you're elon
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musk because you don't want
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people to say bad things
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about you and if you get to
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choose what people see and
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what they don't like
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You're going to use that to
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your benefit if you're a
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capitalist who has no real
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skills and has never
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created or done anything
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useful in your life and has
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just made money off of
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other people's labor.
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Allegedly.
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The other thing is a weird
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space we're sort of in with
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our current ethics and morals is like
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A lot of us get overwhelmed
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with thinking about a
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nine-eleven every single
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week or a hundred thousand deaths.
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Even COVID,
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which like cost a million
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Americans their lives
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unnecessarily because of
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how badly we handled it
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compared to other countries.
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Like that's just too big of
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a thing for us to be able
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to process in real time.
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So I think that.
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of creates like this moral
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burnout um there's probably
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a better phrase that people
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have actually studied uh
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but yeah like we we can get
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burned out on that where
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it's just easier to check
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out or like take the
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propaganda messaging around
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it so we don't have to deal
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with the ins and outs of it
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which I think is
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problematic um some of the
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other things that let's
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let's pause here because my
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battery's about to die
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Ah, quick battery change,
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and we're back at it.
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This might get edited out.
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We'll see.
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So one of the ways in which
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this is really falling flat
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around mainstream media
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messaging and any outlet
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that's really owned by a billionaire,
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because it's the only
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people who are defending this,
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is an appeal to emotion.
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Again, he had kids.
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Won't someone think of the children?
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The old fallacy,
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won't someone think of the children?
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The Simpsons has spoofed this for years.
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It's something I've talked
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about and written about elsewhere.
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But that just appeal to
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emotion falls a little bit
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flat when more people are
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more able to think my mom, my grandma,
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my auntie, myself, my best friend,
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whomever in their life has
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been affected negatively by
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the for-profit healthcare system is like,
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no, UnitedHealthcare sucks.
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Like as a provider who used
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to take insurance when I started out,
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like UHC was always a pain to deal with.
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They were garbage.
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I'm a licensed marriage and
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family therapist.
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I would spend hours a week
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on the phone with some low
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level intern who hadn't
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even finished their bachelor degree yet,
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or maybe just had their
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bachelors not throwing shade.
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Psychology is a weird field
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where you pretty much need
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to go to grad school,
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separate topic for a separate day.
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But somebody who had not the experience,
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not the licensure,
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not the education that I had being like,
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Oh, well,
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I don't know why you need so
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many sessions.
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They're at eight.
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So why haven't you fixed
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their twenty year marriage yet?
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And like,
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Because you can't do that in
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eight sessions.
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I'm very good at my job and not that good.
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At least not all the time.
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Sometimes five, six sessions,
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we have a major
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breakthrough and something
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unlocks and we're golden.
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That is rare.
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And again,
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the algorithm that they're going
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off of isn't like,
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when do most people make
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enough progress to be done with therapy?
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The algorithm they're going off of is,
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when do we stop making a profit?
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And that got worse and worse for a while,
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early, very early in my career,
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talking like,
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I would often get twelve
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sessions not from United
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Healthcare but from a
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better tier of insurance
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company then it dropped to
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eight and then you know
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sometimes I get three
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through an EAP an employee
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assistance program some
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insurance companies
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wouldn't cover couples
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therapy some insurance
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companies would only cover
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certain diagnoses so again like
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I can say firsthand,
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I saw my clients suffer
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regularly because of these policies,
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let alone my own headache
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and suffering of talking to
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a twerp on the phone who
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didn't know what they were
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talking about and was just
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trying to read from a
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script for me and spending
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my time advocating for my
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clients while not getting paid.
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So like while the insurance
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company was making billions
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of dollars profit and
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trying to pay me less,
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Fuck insurance companies.
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And again, like I'm not unbiased in this,
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right?
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Like I have loudly said multiple times,
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probably recorded on the
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internet that insurance
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companies are the antichrist.
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I'm not religious anymore.
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So that doesn't mean a whole lot,
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but like they're the worst.
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And a for-profit system
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really brings out the worst in them.
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And then deregulated a deregulated,
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not even deregulated government,
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deregulated business
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practices by a government
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which has decided that corruption,
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when it's called lobbying, is legal.
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And bribery,
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as long as it's a gift given
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after the fact, is also legal.
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This is a system that is
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captured by money and corruption.
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So not getting better before
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it gets worse.
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like that person who knows
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where all the cheats are in
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Mario Kart and keeps taking them.
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And so when you get a blue shell,
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you're definitely gonna use it.
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That's the ethics.
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Look at how I tied this back
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to Mario Kart.
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I never knew where the
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cheats in Mario Kart were
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because I didn't have
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N-sixty-four because I grew up poor.
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So that's also a privilege
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comes into this.
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Wealth inequality, y'all,
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it is a real problem.
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Looking worse than it did
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during the French Revolution.
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So that appeal to emotion really falls,
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getting back on topic here,
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that appeal to emotion
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really falls flat when the
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in-group out-group bias
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that's at play is that more
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people are negatively affected by this.
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There's very,
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there's like eight hundred billionaires,
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but there's far fewer
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people who are in the
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billionaire class in group
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that they're scared,
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far fewer CEOs making
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millions of dollars a year
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by denying people
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life-saving health care.
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And so the ethics, yeah, so that in-group,
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most of us are in the group
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not billionaire right so
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like that's a very small in
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group the rest of us are in
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the out group or we're in
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the in group of people who
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are negatively affected by
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a for-profit healthcare
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system which is a very
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large group um where where
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else this starts to fall flat is um
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a false equivalency bias.
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So trying to say the murder
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of alleged murder of a CEO
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is just as bad as killing
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thousands of people a week,
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hundreds of thousands,
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tens of thousands of people a month,
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or not a month,
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a year through this system.
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And so again, the idea,
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the proximity is we can envision somebody,
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we have literally the video,
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I saw it earlier today
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prepping for this video,
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of somebody pulling a gun
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with a silencer on and shooting somebody,
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we can see that and be like, ah, crime,
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right?
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Because that's how we've
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been conditioned to think about crime,
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not in the sense that crime
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is just a social construct.
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Because the crime is a CEO
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hitting the send on an email that says,
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yeah,
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let's start denying people who need
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chemo because who's to say
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if people who have stage
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four cancer really need chemo or not?
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Um, and again, so I would like that,
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that false equivalency of these,
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these are not equal,
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even if you start to start to,
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and I would say you have to
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get people in this headset
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that like hitting that
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keystroke is the same as
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pulling that trigger.
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The false equivalency comes
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in where like those two
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things are not the same
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because the healthcare
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system kills hundreds of
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thousand people a year, right?
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A year.
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And we know that these healthcare, um,
00:24:02.317 --> 00:24:03.038
Companies are making
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billions of dollars profit.
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Their profits are soaring.
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And so again, the proximity bias comes in.
00:24:11.031 --> 00:24:12.615
Like my whole idea around
00:24:12.976 --> 00:24:13.757
this video was that
00:24:14.346 --> 00:24:16.626
proximity ethics, like the ethic,
00:24:16.727 --> 00:24:19.008
how our ethics are affected by proximity.
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We have this idea that like
00:24:20.269 --> 00:24:21.308
shareholders are these like
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shadowy beings who like
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meet in boardrooms and make
00:24:24.451 --> 00:24:25.030
these decisions.
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But like a lot of times
00:24:25.971 --> 00:24:26.811
shareholders are just like
00:24:26.832 --> 00:24:28.032
the fucking CEOs who are
00:24:28.053 --> 00:24:29.212
making these decisions anyway.
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Just demonetize myself.
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I'm pretty sure I can't say
00:24:32.775 --> 00:24:34.675
died or killed or murdered,
00:24:34.715 --> 00:24:36.557
probably say unalived or whatever.
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So.
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I guess I can swear away,
00:24:40.104 --> 00:24:41.467
but like who are doing
00:24:41.547 --> 00:24:42.849
company buybacks and stock
00:24:42.890 --> 00:24:43.912
buybacks and all this shit.
00:24:43.951 --> 00:24:44.794
Like this isn't,
00:24:44.933 --> 00:24:45.715
now we're just swearing
00:24:45.736 --> 00:24:46.396
because I'm worked up.
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This isn't some like mystery
00:24:49.428 --> 00:24:51.269
shadow thing of like, Oh, this,
00:24:51.509 --> 00:24:52.930
this awful billionaire over
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here is shareholder.
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He's making the CEO do it.
00:24:55.251 --> 00:24:56.593
Like, no, they're one in the same.
00:24:57.314 --> 00:24:58.875
They might not be serving on the board,
00:24:58.914 --> 00:25:00.675
but like, it's the same people.
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These shareholders are
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people who are invested in
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the company and are
00:25:03.699 --> 00:25:05.359
probably actively working in the company.
00:25:05.779 --> 00:25:07.761
Like, yeah, Jerry Jones,
00:25:08.382 --> 00:25:09.603
owner of the Dallas Cowboys
00:25:09.702 --> 00:25:10.644
probably has shares in a
00:25:10.683 --> 00:25:11.545
bunch of different stuff.
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And like,
00:25:12.489 --> 00:25:14.289
He's not calling the shots on it.
00:25:14.329 --> 00:25:16.471
He's that shadowy shareholder figure.
00:25:17.691 --> 00:25:19.251
But again, he's an unethical human.
00:25:19.352 --> 00:25:20.913
I can say that because he's a billionaire.
00:25:21.133 --> 00:25:22.933
There's not an ethical way
00:25:23.013 --> 00:25:23.953
to have that much money.
00:25:24.894 --> 00:25:29.997
So this topic is very upsetting to me.
00:25:32.077 --> 00:25:33.478
So yeah,
00:25:33.498 --> 00:25:34.778
it's a logical fallacy to pretend
00:25:34.798 --> 00:25:36.299
that two wrongs don't make a right.
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No, a hundred thousand wrongs
00:25:41.371 --> 00:25:42.810
might be made right by one
00:25:42.851 --> 00:25:43.832
other person doing it wrong.
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The jury trial will be fascinating.
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I don't think he's going to get acquitted,
00:25:50.693 --> 00:25:52.574
but that'd be real great
00:25:53.134 --> 00:25:56.615
and fun if enough jurors were like, nope,
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dude's Batman.
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This is all okay.
00:26:00.375 --> 00:26:02.116
Some of us are, I'm a comic book nerd,
00:26:02.176 --> 00:26:05.097
the morals of superheroes
00:26:05.117 --> 00:26:05.978
are pretty murky.
00:26:06.258 --> 00:26:07.817
They are breaking the law.
00:26:07.877 --> 00:26:10.038
You can't dress up at night and
00:26:10.748 --> 00:26:15.570
beat people up and give them blunt force,
00:26:15.730 --> 00:26:16.411
head trauma,
00:26:16.891 --> 00:26:17.832
and then tie them up and
00:26:17.872 --> 00:26:18.531
leave them at the police
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station and be a good guy,
00:26:20.452 --> 00:26:21.693
especially not if you're a billionaire,
00:26:21.713 --> 00:26:22.513
part of the ruling class.
00:26:22.614 --> 00:26:24.394
Looking at you, Bruce Wayne, Tony Stark.
00:26:25.096 --> 00:26:26.896
So the ethics of the
00:26:26.916 --> 00:26:29.198
vigilante justice are murky.
00:26:29.298 --> 00:26:29.877
But again,
00:26:30.218 --> 00:26:32.279
it's this idea that people will
00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:33.279
be negatively affected by
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:34.161
health insurance companies.
00:26:34.201 --> 00:26:35.340
People will have this idea
00:26:35.381 --> 00:26:36.741
of vigilante justice that
00:26:36.761 --> 00:26:38.343
we've sort of been socialized on.
00:26:40.730 --> 00:26:41.771
the more nuanced take on
00:26:41.791 --> 00:26:42.873
like superhero ethics is
00:26:42.913 --> 00:26:43.713
like they serve an
00:26:43.753 --> 00:26:45.055
authoritarian purpose that
00:26:45.095 --> 00:26:46.316
like might makes right.
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Read an interview from Alan
00:26:48.959 --> 00:26:50.119
Moore who thinks that
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:51.601
superheroes are bad and
00:26:51.641 --> 00:26:53.001
comics are bad for adults to read.
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The last thing I'm going to
00:26:55.344 --> 00:26:56.945
talk about is just homeostasis that,
00:26:57.046 --> 00:26:58.366
that human beings are
00:26:58.887 --> 00:27:00.489
geared towards homeostasis.
00:27:00.528 --> 00:27:02.090
Our brains are wired for that.
00:27:02.851 --> 00:27:03.251
The, the,
00:27:04.407 --> 00:27:05.489
I talk about homeostasis a
00:27:05.509 --> 00:27:06.910
lot because I'm a systems therapist.
00:27:06.930 --> 00:27:08.030
So we think about ecosystems,
00:27:08.111 --> 00:27:09.112
ecosystems we know are
00:27:09.152 --> 00:27:10.252
driven towards homeostasis,
00:27:10.353 --> 00:27:11.354
but you might think of it
00:27:11.394 --> 00:27:13.055
as like the status quo bias,
00:27:13.875 --> 00:27:14.875
that the idea that keeping
00:27:14.895 --> 00:27:17.458
things the same is inherently good.
00:27:17.798 --> 00:27:19.240
Our brains are wired for
00:27:19.319 --> 00:27:20.580
change being scary just
00:27:20.601 --> 00:27:22.602
because we can't be certain.
00:27:22.622 --> 00:27:23.762
We're playing probabilities
00:27:23.883 --> 00:27:24.604
of that outcome.
00:27:24.784 --> 00:27:26.305
And so even if we know something is bad,
00:27:26.771 --> 00:27:27.972
We know it and our brain
00:27:27.992 --> 00:27:29.354
finds comfort in knowing it
00:27:29.413 --> 00:27:31.115
versus potential change or
00:27:31.174 --> 00:27:33.355
risk of something really changing a lot.
00:27:33.455 --> 00:27:34.616
So we have like a status quo
00:27:34.676 --> 00:27:37.198
bias in effect here or this
00:27:37.278 --> 00:27:38.558
drive towards homeostasis.
00:27:39.179 --> 00:27:41.520
Class consciousness, a revolution,
00:27:41.601 --> 00:27:42.320
changing that stuff is
00:27:42.340 --> 00:27:43.842
gonna be scary for a great
00:27:43.862 --> 00:27:44.842
deal of the population.
00:27:46.623 --> 00:27:47.223
And they're the people who
00:27:47.243 --> 00:27:48.263
are gonna say violence is
00:27:48.324 --> 00:27:49.105
never the answer.
00:27:49.224 --> 00:27:50.526
And like to that,
00:27:50.605 --> 00:27:51.705
I'm also gonna sort of
00:27:51.746 --> 00:27:53.047
highlight that false equivalence.
00:27:53.086 --> 00:27:55.808
Like the class warfare is already violent.
00:27:57.520 --> 00:27:59.041
If you think pulling a
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trigger on a gun is
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different than hitting a
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keystroke that denies
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hundreds of thousands of
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people health care, you're wrong.
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You're entitled to your
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opinion and your opinion is
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wrong and you're an idiot
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for holding that opinion.
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There's never been a peaceful revolution.
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Does that mean we should
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advocate for murder?
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Not necessarily.
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Wink, wink.
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um no like no youtube
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algorithm we shouldn't
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advocate for violence uh
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but like the boston tea
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party as like woo americans
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go revolution like is
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violent right like
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healthcare being denied to
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someone who needs it is
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violent again if you're
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doing something that leads
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directly to the death of a
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four-year-old that's not
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great so I'm against
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violence in the sense that
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like yeah we shouldn't be
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killing kids the part of
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this that is violent is the
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healthcare industry that's
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already violent the class warfare
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is already violent.
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It's mostly almost
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exclusively going from that
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ruling class down to the peasants,
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the feudal system that we
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have that we call late stage capitalism,
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.601
like the ruling class
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perpetrating violence
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against the non-ruling class.
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So it's already violent.
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And I think it's
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disingenuous to say that
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like violence won't solve the answer.
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Like violence is already
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inherent in the system.
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It's already part of the problem.
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I'm not sold on violence
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being an answer exclusively,
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but like that violence
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might be property damage
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and human lives are more
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important than property.
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So yeah,
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I can't say it's ethical for legal
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reasons to do property damage,
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but like pretending that
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like a mob or protest burning down a city
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headquarters of something um
00:29:38.125 --> 00:29:39.226
not gonna name names here
00:29:39.266 --> 00:29:40.665
but like if that were to
00:29:40.705 --> 00:29:41.965
happen what would the news
00:29:42.046 --> 00:29:43.227
be like oh look at this
00:29:43.626 --> 00:29:44.547
unruly mob they're
00:29:44.567 --> 00:29:45.366
destroying property well
00:29:45.386 --> 00:29:47.027
like we shouldn't be
00:29:47.067 --> 00:29:50.528
killing people the let's
00:29:50.567 --> 00:29:53.508
say um enforcement arm of
00:29:53.587 --> 00:29:54.749
the government shouldn't be
00:29:54.828 --> 00:29:56.108
kneeling on people's necks
00:29:56.189 --> 00:29:59.450
and murdering them uh just
00:29:59.730 --> 00:30:01.609
for instance like
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And then pretending that
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that is equivalent to
00:30:05.895 --> 00:30:07.997
setting a building on fire, it's not,
00:30:09.278 --> 00:30:09.499
right?
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We have to actually like
00:30:11.019 --> 00:30:11.960
weigh the equivalency of
00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:12.941
their people in the building.
00:30:13.040 --> 00:30:14.741
Don't burn buildings with people in them.
00:30:15.021 --> 00:30:16.022
But property destruction as
00:30:16.042 --> 00:30:18.545
a form of protest is like violent,
00:30:18.724 --> 00:30:21.007
quote unquote, and totally acceptable.
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The system is already violent.
00:30:23.588 --> 00:30:24.108
The violent
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The violence is only flowing one way.
00:30:27.038 --> 00:30:28.538
It's top down right now.
00:30:28.578 --> 00:30:30.019
So it will be interesting to
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:31.519
see sort of as the case
00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.101
plays out and the courtroom
00:30:33.161 --> 00:30:36.143
drama plays out to see
00:30:36.163 --> 00:30:38.064
what's going on with our
00:30:39.144 --> 00:30:41.204
protagonist from Mario Kart
00:30:41.444 --> 00:30:43.385
and the ethics around
00:30:43.425 --> 00:30:45.508
throwing blue shells at the
00:30:45.548 --> 00:30:46.268
privileged few.
00:30:49.284 --> 00:30:50.984
Also recording this on January sixth,
00:30:51.546 --> 00:30:54.587
so just, I don't know.
00:30:54.648 --> 00:30:55.849
I don't know what's up with
00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:56.690
modern society.
00:30:56.769 --> 00:30:58.991
It's not great, I can tell you that.
00:30:59.112 --> 00:31:00.452
Might be time for a revolution,
00:31:01.233 --> 00:31:03.875
an ethical one, he said,
00:31:04.076 --> 00:31:04.836
covering his tracks.
00:31:05.597 --> 00:31:09.421
Allegedly, anything I've said in the last,
00:31:10.821 --> 00:31:11.883
thirty-one minutes and
00:31:11.923 --> 00:31:13.663
eleven seconds is alleged.
00:31:16.046 --> 00:31:16.267
But no,
00:31:16.998 --> 00:31:18.038
the psychological concepts I
00:31:18.058 --> 00:31:19.200
talk about are legit.
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:20.319
Those are things that I know
00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:21.601
I'd have studied and deal
00:31:21.621 --> 00:31:24.742
with on a regular basis.
00:31:25.022 --> 00:31:27.005
Sorry, I didn't have a more fun topic.
00:31:27.605 --> 00:31:28.846
If you're tuning into the podcast,
00:31:28.925 --> 00:31:29.766
it has been about a month
00:31:29.806 --> 00:31:30.906
since we have a new episode.
00:31:31.007 --> 00:31:32.647
So if you're curious about
00:31:32.989 --> 00:31:34.670
the general direction, like we're back,
00:31:34.730 --> 00:31:36.029
I just had a busy month and
00:31:36.050 --> 00:31:37.391
it was hard to schedule guests.
00:31:37.550 --> 00:31:38.971
So we will be back to our
00:31:39.153 --> 00:31:40.472
normal programming here.
00:31:40.553 --> 00:31:42.213
If you're on the YouTube and
00:31:42.255 --> 00:31:42.954
checking it out, like
00:31:43.479 --> 00:31:43.699
hey,
00:31:43.739 --> 00:31:45.221
somebody just subscribed and they sent
00:31:45.260 --> 00:31:45.821
me proof that they
00:31:45.862 --> 00:31:46.663
subscribed to my channel.
00:31:46.682 --> 00:31:48.085
And we're like, can you review the song?
00:31:48.164 --> 00:31:49.626
And that's what I'm going to do next.
00:31:49.767 --> 00:31:51.769
So if you want me to cover a topic,
00:31:51.890 --> 00:31:52.371
whether that's
00:31:54.125 --> 00:31:56.626
Video game analysis in the real world.
00:31:57.787 --> 00:31:58.688
I talk about movies.
00:31:59.048 --> 00:32:00.449
I'm a big pro wrestling nerd,
00:32:00.489 --> 00:32:01.308
comic book nerd.
00:32:01.409 --> 00:32:03.609
I've got a CM Punk video in the works,
00:32:03.650 --> 00:32:05.351
got Aaron Rodger videos in the works.
00:32:05.991 --> 00:32:07.673
I've been in theory working
00:32:07.712 --> 00:32:12.796
on a Watchmen video for like two years.
00:32:12.816 --> 00:32:14.717
So a lot of stuff, but also, you know,
00:32:14.737 --> 00:32:16.157
the Tool fans who are happy
00:32:16.178 --> 00:32:17.617
when I do Tool songs and
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:19.700
apparently the Renegades, spoiler alert,
00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:21.480
who are subscribed to my
00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:22.921
channel so that I review a
00:32:22.961 --> 00:32:23.662
song they want me to do.
00:32:24.181 --> 00:32:24.942
So if there's something you
00:32:24.961 --> 00:32:25.762
wanna hear me talk about,
00:32:25.823 --> 00:32:26.984
drop down in the comments, like,
00:32:27.025 --> 00:32:29.147
subscribe are great ways to
00:32:29.188 --> 00:32:30.569
get me more likely to talk
00:32:30.589 --> 00:32:31.451
about the topic that you
00:32:31.471 --> 00:32:32.372
wanna hear me talk about
00:32:33.134 --> 00:32:34.193
you're on the podcast thanks
00:32:34.213 --> 00:32:35.934
so much for for tuning in I
00:32:35.954 --> 00:32:37.576
will have some regular
00:32:37.635 --> 00:32:38.816
programming again next week
00:32:38.836 --> 00:32:39.656
with a guest I have some
00:32:39.676 --> 00:32:41.797
cool guests lined up I do
00:32:41.836 --> 00:32:43.377
my best to have an episode
00:32:43.498 --> 00:32:45.058
each week I am a mental
00:32:45.078 --> 00:32:46.019
health professional I own
00:32:46.038 --> 00:32:47.559
my own practice I run that
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.160
by myself I have a media
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:50.161
person who helps me out
00:32:50.181 --> 00:32:52.300
shout out to kenny um who
00:32:52.320 --> 00:32:53.122
makes a lot of the stuff
00:32:53.142 --> 00:32:54.461
that I do look and sound
00:32:54.501 --> 00:32:56.123
better than it should um
00:32:56.492 --> 00:32:57.074
But yeah,
00:32:57.114 --> 00:32:58.375
sometimes I just run out of time
00:32:58.455 --> 00:32:59.277
or don't get to things.
00:33:00.057 --> 00:33:00.318
Sorry.
00:33:00.699 --> 00:33:02.321
Try and be as consistent as
00:33:02.422 --> 00:33:04.265
I can be with the content coming out.
00:33:04.865 --> 00:33:06.567
But with all that in mind,
00:33:06.749 --> 00:33:07.490
thanks for tuning in.
00:33:08.550 --> 00:33:09.152
Take care of yourself.
00:33:09.251 --> 00:33:10.653
Take care of somebody else.
00:33:10.714 --> 00:33:10.875
Peace.