Your Therapist Needs Therapy 128 - Are Right Wingers Okay?

Lolz, obviously not. This week Jeremy takes a deeper look at the inevitable and terribly unsurprising turn of right wing media grifters and tech fascists to religion! Joe Rogan thinks AI is Jesus, and Peter Thiel thinks Greta Thunberg is the antichrist. So, we look at the general unwellness of their thought processes, as well as the remaining utility of religion as opium for the masses. It’s a good time!

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Transcript

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Hey, yo,

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welcome to another edition of Your

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Therapist Needs Therapy,

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a podcast where two mental health

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professionals talk about their mental

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health journeys and how they navigate

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mental wellness while working in the

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mental health field.

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I'm your host, Jeremy Schumacher,

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licensed marriage and family therapist.

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In order to protect my own mental health,

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And that of my guests,

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I am recording a bunch of solo episodes

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for the month of December,

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as opposed to trying to navigate holiday

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scheduling.

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And that of my guests and people having

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colds and people's kids getting sick.

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And it just generally being a busy time

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of year.

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So today I wanted to talk about a

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religious trauma year-end wrap-up.

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But really,

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I wanted to sort of look at why

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right-wingers are finding religion.

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And you're like, hang on, Jer.

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Aren't right-wingers the religious ones

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already?

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And yes, you are correct in that.

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And so rather than doing a year-end

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wrap-up, I guess I want to look at,

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is the right-wing okay?

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Because they should be happy,

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but they seem to be worse than ever.

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What's up with that?

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And why are they all in a tiz

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and in a crisis and trying to rediscover

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religion and or recreate religion when

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they got their guy in power?

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For those of you not watching this podcast

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on YouTube...

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Which, to be fair,

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usually the YouTube is just an animated

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therapy office on loop.

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I frugged there.

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What's going on?

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Yeah, I mean, so to be clear,

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this is not a political podcast,

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although oftentimes I do talk about

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political topics because mental health is

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political.

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And vice versa, right?

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Well, not vice versa.

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Mental health is political.

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Politics...

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keep affecting mental health in the sense

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that legislation to harm people's mental

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health and also just late-stage capitalism

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and systemic injustice and systemic injury

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and moral injury and just late-stage

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capitalism ruining everybody's life unless

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you are a capitalist who has made out

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like mad and has now turned to religion

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because you're afraid of dying and going

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to hell.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Let's jump in.

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What am I talking about?

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If you don't follow religious drama as

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just like a headline,

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you might not know what I'm talking about.

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And if you have any good,

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healthy boundaries about your internet

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engagement,

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you're certainly not following what Joe

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Rogan or Peter Thiel are doing.

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And yet, here I am,

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your friendly neighborhood therapist

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coming to talk to you about these things.

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You know, in fairness to

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to year end wrap ups that are trendy

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right now.

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I mean, project's twenty twenty five.

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A bunch of it got done, right?

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The Republicans won the House and the

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Senate and the White House and did a

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bunch of their Christofascist bullshit.

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And it was always the platform that Trump

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was running on.

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Even when he distanced himself from it,

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it was what he was running on.

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A nine hundred page document showing what

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they want to do.

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There's lots of places that track how much

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of it is done.

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I think on the low end,

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most places show at least like forty

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percent of it got done.

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I tend to look a little higher than

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that.

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I do think they did a lot of

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it through Doge.

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They did a lot of it.

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through some of the backdoor channels of

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things that aren't headline flashy.

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There are policy wonks,

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and I don't know why that's a term.

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If that's offensive somehow,

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I'm unfamiliar.

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I just hear other pundits use it.

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There are people who do the ins and

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outs of policy often, and those folks are,

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Stephen Miller is one of them,

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but certainly some of the lame charisma

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vacuums, which Stephen Miller is.

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The people behind the Heritage Foundation,

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in the Heritage Foundation,

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the people telling the Supreme Court what

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you think, are those policy nerds?

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the Paul Weyrichs of the world.

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Paul Weyrich was one of the engineers of

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the moral majority during the Reagan

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years.

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He's the one who shifted the right-wing's

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talking points to be about abortion and to

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make abortion not a religious topic,

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but a political one.

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so i'm more versed in some of the

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how we got here than who's currently at

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the heritage foundation now doing stuff

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but like they're there again these are the

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people who uh are given cabinet positions

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who were the authors of project twenty

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twenty five these are the people who are

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taking over colleges who are being put on

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boards in different places like they're

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they're out there you can find them um

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Yeah,

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so they've been pretty successful in

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getting things done,

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although the Trump administration seems to

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be headed for lame duck territory sooner

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rather than later,

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even one year into this four-year...

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He's not going to live that long,

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but it's not a threat.

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He's just an old man who very clearly

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has a worsening dementia.

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And...

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But yeah,

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it's not going to probably keep the House

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if we have anything that even resembles

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elections.

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Nothing's going to go well there.

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Republicans keep retiring from the House

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because they don't want to support

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pedophiles,

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but they have supported a pedophile for a

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long time.

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Anyway, Trump's going to be lame duck.

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in the midterms,

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certainly when he loses control of the

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house,

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but like he's not getting anything done.

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A lot of the things that they did

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do in project twenty twenty five been

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successful because they just did it.

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And there was no enforcement mechanism to

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stop what was unconstitutional and or

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illegal.

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And so a lot of things bogged down.

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They did certainly try to use the move

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fast and break stuff strategy, which,

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again,

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was successful for a while is bogging down

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now and I think will continue to bog

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down.

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I hate trying to prognosticate politics in

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the future because you hate to be wrong,

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but also like, I don't know,

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we shouldn't even be here and yet we

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are.

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But what they have been successful in is

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shifting policy talk.

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And I would argue the Overton window,

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the cultural norming of

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supremacy and bigotry.

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Certainly where trans rights were a few

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years ago is not where they are now.

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We've lost women's reproductive rights.

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We've lost lots of protections for people

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who are not from here or who are

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from here but have different skin color

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than white supremacists would like people

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to have.

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So

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Yeah, like a lot's been done.

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And if you're somebody who struggles with

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religious trauma,

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like that sort of creeping dread of like

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feeling like you're in a church,

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like there's this authoritarian regime

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that you're on the outside looking in

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because the group that is in charge

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doesn't like you if you experience any of

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that,

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like your nervous system probably doesn't

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like what's going on now.

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And that's probably accurate.

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Again, this has been...

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geared towards fascism.

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It's been geared towards a theocracy.

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That is what the religious right wants.

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And there's not a real perceptible

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difference between the religious right and

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the right wing at all.

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So yeah, that's been bad writ large.

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Now what has been happening that I think

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is odd that is of interest of note

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to talk about here

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is while Project Twenty Twenty Five has

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been successful in integrating a lot of

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its policies, it's still deeply unpopular.

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Right.

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And so a lot of these things are

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happening and the rich people are getting

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richer.

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That's the Republican platform.

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That's what they wanted to happen.

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And that is what is very successfully

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happening.

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Right.

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The transfer of wealth from lower class

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and people to the ultra wealthy continues

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to happen at a rapid pace.

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And so that has been a resounding success

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for the party that supports billionaires.

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The billionaires, though,

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are seeing everything else collapse and

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are getting nervous.

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And sometimes when people get nervous,

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when there is things that happen outside

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of our control that make us question how

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much we can control,

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oftentimes people turn to superstition to

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explain those things.

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And so we're seeing some pretty big media

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names.

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We're seeing some pretty big right wing

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folks.

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take some weird turns now this is not

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a media a policy thing i do think

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media literacy is mental health certainly

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and um so you know tucker carlson's always

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been weird and odd and i would argue

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not a healthy person and certainly not

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somebody we should be taking advice from

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or platform

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But yeah,

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Tucker Carlson and Dick Fuenteson,

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Milo Yiannopoulos is back in the

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right-wing sphere.

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The right-wing's not okay,

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to answer the title of this episode.

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They haven't been for a while.

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Again,

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Andrew Tate got brought over when

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people...

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fleeing persecution,

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cannot get refugee status,

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cannot get asylum here.

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We got Andrew Tate to come here while

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he was being charged with sexual

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exploitation and prostitution in a

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different country.

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So, you know, that's not okay.

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And, like, I... I know better than this,

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and...

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I would like the world to be a

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simple place.

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I would like to be able to say,

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if you voted for Donald Trump in twenty

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twenty four, you are a bad person.

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And to a wide degree, I

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I think that's a defensible position.

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But I know there's nuance there.

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I do hold logical,

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theoretical space that there are a lot of

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people who have been brainwashed,

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who have been subjects to years and years

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of propaganda,

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who are not well enough resourced to know

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better.

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And I can hold space for that.

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I can hold space for there are people

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who

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bristle at being called a white

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supremacist because they voted for trump

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and you know i i think if you

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are on the same team as the white

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supremacists you do need to reflect on

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what is that about for you personally you

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may bristle at being called a white

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supremacist but if the white supremacists

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voted for the same person that you did

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three times in a row like

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there that cognitive dissonance requires

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more work on your part it doesn't require

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everyone else to explain it to you and

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it certainly doesn't require people to

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stop saying you're lumped into the white

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supremacist that makes you white

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supremacist being a white supremacist

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isn't a deal breaker that's that's a

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that's a you problem um but no i

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i do hold space because i spent a

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lot of time in the church myself as

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a well-educated and clever human um

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because i see people come out of religion

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who have been indoctrinated and heavily

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manipulated have been coerced have been

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mind controlled into making decisions that

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were not in their best interest.

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So I'm aware of the propaganda machine.

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I'm aware of the brain rot and the

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intentional erosion of education and

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critical thinking skills across this

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country and others.

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the paradox of being audio HD,

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I think is, um,

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my ADHD brain can chew on and live

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in that gray space and really appreciate

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all the nuance that everything has and

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the, uh, whether it's,

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it's oversimplification to say ADHD brain

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and autism brain, but the,

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the more autistic side, the, uh,

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perhaps more rigid thinking side of my

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brain that likes the black and white

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thinking wants to be like, nah,

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she's a bad, bad person.

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Um,

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It's a weird place to be in my

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brain,

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but also a weird time to be alive

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when convicted felon whose decades-long

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friendship with the most famous pedophile

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on the planet wasn't disqualifying.

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Anyways, yeah, Trump has, as predicted,

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crashed the economy,

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and things are getting worse,

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and things will continue to get worse

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because his economic policies are a

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disaster,

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and the backbone of the right wing is

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to protect

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the wealthy ruling class.

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So again, that is working,

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but it is becoming increasingly unpopular.

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And while a bailout to farmers will keep

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things intact and limping along in a way

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that a Democrat would do,

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because we don't have a leftist party in

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America,

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the problems will persist and continue to

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get worse because canceling his own

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policies doesn't necessarily get us back

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to a healthy point.

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the damage is being done and will continue

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to be done.

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So the people who have invested heavily in

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this, Joe Rogan, Peter Thiel,

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people who have invested heavily and

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gotten wealthy off of the right-wing grift

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and the right-wing political machine are

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panicking because they need to control the

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narrative because the day in and day out

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of regular people is worse under Trump

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than it was.

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And kitchen table politics tends to be a

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pretty predominant ruler over anything

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else.

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The propaganda machine is in full force.

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And if you can't afford your groceries,

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it doesn't matter what your favorite

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podcaster tells us.

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To a degree, right?

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There's some degree of population that

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will bury their heads in the sand and

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not confront reality and will turn

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specifically away from reality because

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they're

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propaganda is more comfortable for them.

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And those people are being mind

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controlled, right?

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Like that's when we say mind control,

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we don't mean MK ultra, you know,

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hypnotism.

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We mean brainwashing and years and years

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and years of misinformation leading to a

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inhibited critical thinking skills,

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part of our brain that could engage in

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higher level executive functioning,

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being severely underdeveloped and or

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inhibited

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and possibly injured if we're talking

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about the older generation who slathered

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everything in lead paint and huffed diesel

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gasoline and or just has brain

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deterioration because they're old.

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But yeah, let's talk specifically.

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Fifteen minutes in here.

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It was a long preamble.

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So anyway, yeah,

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the right wing's not okay and hasn't been.

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again, Tucker Carlson,

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it's always been weird and full of like

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awful rhetorical, uh,

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procedures for just asking questions is a

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rhetorical device.

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And his show is, is brain rot, um,

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to consume.

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He's a very stupid person.

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Um,

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and like a nepo baby and awful person,

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but even he has, uh, again,

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like talking to Milo, um,

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yananopoulos and uh platforming nick

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fuentes who is like an out and out

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neo-nazi um an open white supremacist so

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again the right wing is like not too

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great but i think um tucker since he

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left fox news has been like on less

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popular and certainly has less sway in

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things but um i've seen a lot of

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discourse around that nick fuentes

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interview it's weird it's bizarre to watch

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um

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And I just have a hard time with

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watching something so stupid.

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He's not smart.

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Neither is Jordan Peterson.

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That's what dumb people think smart people

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like.

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And so again,

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if you like that thing and I am

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telling you that's what dumb people think

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smart people talk like, again,

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I'm not insulting you.

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I want you to sit with what that

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might mean for you and the cognitive

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dissonance if you're saying, I'm not dumb,

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but I do consume the media that the

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propagandists think is for dumb people.

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just gonna let you sit with that for

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a sec uh not that i think right-wingers

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are watching or listening to my show so

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anyway uh for you uh more progressive

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folks who tune in hey thanks the quote

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i have from joe rogan here which was

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i try not to pay attention to show

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rogan right i i

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A reality TV star in the White House

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is enough to pay attention to,

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but a reality TV star who is the

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most listened to podcast in the world is

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really disappointing for humanity to be at

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this point.

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But yeah,

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Rogan's unhinged and brain dead and brain

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damaged and was a stupid person to begin

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with.

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The braid rot is pretty impressive,

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but he went on.

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the American alchemy podcast.

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I don't know what that is or what

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it's about or who it hosts,

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but Rogan said, quote, quoting here.

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If Jesus does return,

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even if Jesus was a physical person in

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the past,

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you don't think that he could return as

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artificial intelligence.

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And then he,

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he added as the conversation went on,

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artificial intelligence could absolutely

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return as Jesus.

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So again,

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This is where I'm like, man,

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it's hard to take anything he says

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seriously because this is so stupid.

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Apparently artificial intelligence is

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returning as Jesus,

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not Jesus returns artificial intelligence.

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I don't think Rogan knows Christianity,

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which again highlights to me that like

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this is a grift.

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Um, that Rogan is a very stupid person,

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but he is media savvy enough to know

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that being mega and being pro Trump is

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a losing strategy now.

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And so while he could sort of do

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the Tucker Carlson, I don't know.

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I'm just asking questions.

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I invited everybody on my podcast.

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Only some of the right wingers came on.

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I don't know that happened.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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Um,

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he's been right wing for a while because

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he wanted to have a,

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a large payout in media and he wants

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no oversight to be able to say whatever

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he wants with no consequence.

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because that makes him more money and he

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doesn't want his money to be at risk.

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And like, if, if anything,

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that's a right wing ideology,

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I can at least like understand and respect

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if people were honest about it,

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like I'm wealthy.

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And so I'm right wing because it lets

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me be wealthier.

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It's, it's not moral or ethical, but like,

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it's understandable.

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I think it's the reality for most right

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wingers.

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Um,

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most right-wingers who are at an

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influential place,

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whether that's a social media influencer

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or, or a person in power.

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Um,

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I don't think very many of them are

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true believers.

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I think it is pragmatic, uh, grifting,

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but yeah, I mean, Rogan is like dumb.

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And so he reads a lot.

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He doesn't,

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he skims things and he has people tell

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them things.

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And I'm guessing he just like reads like

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AI summaries of things, but the, um,

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Yeah,

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he wants to be like a free thinker,

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critical thinker, look at my big brain,

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don't ask me how many concussions I've had

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kind of guy.

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And if Jesus does return,

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even if Jesus was a physical person in

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the past, like, man.

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That's close to raising a good point that

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would require further discussion if you

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were having an intellectual discussion,

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if you were willing to engage with this

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topic sincerely,

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even if Jesus was a physical person.

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Well, actually, fun fact,

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current academic literature on that

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suggests that he wasn't.

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And the things that are being published

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and passing peer review and not just being

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churned out by religious publishing houses

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that have no standards for publishing.

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Other than that,

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it is an author saying the things that

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they like, um,

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have suggested for the past decade or so

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now that it is more likely than not

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that Jesus did not exist.

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The, the historical Jesus,

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a real person living in Galilee,

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two thousand years ago is unlikely to have

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existed.

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Um,

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And I would say comfortably so.

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Academia is at any sort of argument or

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pushback from that is from an apologetic

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stance.

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And it's been rebutted and the studies

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that are out there suggesting that this is

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not a historical figure out there.

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So again,

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it's like he doesn't raise this point.

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I'm not giving him credit for raising an

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interesting point.

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But he brings up something that if he

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were to engage with it sincerely would be

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worth talking about.

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He doesn't because he's a moron.

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And he's not trying to engage real.

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But he is trying to, one,

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protect his moneymaker,

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which is the tech bros,

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because he needs podcasting to be

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successful and AI could threaten him.

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So he's got to have his grift in,

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which is to be in good with the

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people who are going to control all the

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levers on the algorithms and our data

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tracking in the future and our

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surveillance state.

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If Jesus does return,

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you don't think he could return as

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artificial intelligence.

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And again,

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I'm going to ignore that he contradicted

00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:16.500
himself later because, again,

00:22:16.560 --> 00:22:18.102
I don't think he knows much about

00:22:18.122 --> 00:22:18.602
Christianity.

00:22:18.722 --> 00:22:19.482
I don't think he knows much about

00:22:20.564 --> 00:22:20.984
anything.

00:22:21.045 --> 00:22:21.484
He's a moron.

00:22:21.585 --> 00:22:26.769
And I say that as somebody who,

00:22:28.951 --> 00:22:30.772
according to society, is not a moron.

00:22:32.652 --> 00:22:36.094
and who engages with people on deep

00:22:36.114 --> 00:22:37.654
conversations regularly.

00:22:37.734 --> 00:22:39.596
And it's really hard to listen to Rogan

00:22:39.615 --> 00:22:41.257
because of how stupid he is.

00:22:43.518 --> 00:22:48.300
And whatever libertarian older brother

00:22:48.340 --> 00:22:50.362
smoking weed in your garage you were

00:22:50.382 --> 00:22:51.882
attracted to a decade ago,

00:22:51.961 --> 00:22:53.603
Rogan has gotten a lot worse.

00:22:53.663 --> 00:22:55.403
He isn't having smart people on his

00:22:55.443 --> 00:22:57.065
podcast to have interesting conversations

00:22:57.085 --> 00:22:57.365
anymore.

00:22:57.404 --> 00:22:59.205
He's having other grifters on his podcast

00:22:59.226 --> 00:22:59.886
to grift with him.

00:23:00.816 --> 00:23:02.136
So I don't know.

00:23:02.237 --> 00:23:03.196
I don't know what he was.

00:23:03.277 --> 00:23:04.477
I never understood the appeal because,

00:23:04.517 --> 00:23:04.698
again,

00:23:04.718 --> 00:23:08.058
he was an overtly stupid person always.

00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:11.440
Could I listen to Joe Rogan talk about

00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:11.759
UFC?

00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:12.240
Yes.

00:23:12.299 --> 00:23:13.961
I'm not particularly interested in UFC,

00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:15.602
but I hold a lot of space for

00:23:15.642 --> 00:23:17.422
people to talk about the thing they have

00:23:17.502 --> 00:23:18.383
expertise in.

00:23:19.548 --> 00:23:20.930
I don't know much about UFC.

00:23:20.970 --> 00:23:22.510
I would listen to Joe Rogan explain why

00:23:22.570 --> 00:23:24.811
someone's kickboxing is better than

00:23:24.872 --> 00:23:27.212
someone else's or why they should win a

00:23:27.252 --> 00:23:27.553
fight.

00:23:27.633 --> 00:23:29.653
I would watch a Joe Rogan.

00:23:29.993 --> 00:23:30.714
I wouldn't because I don't

00:23:31.990 --> 00:23:33.852
care about ufc but like could he have

00:23:33.892 --> 00:23:35.232
one of those youtube channels that breaks

00:23:35.252 --> 00:23:37.713
down fights and does analysis sure like he

00:23:37.773 --> 00:23:39.714
knows a lot about that he got his

00:23:39.775 --> 00:23:42.036
big big break hosting fear factor i get

00:23:42.076 --> 00:23:43.156
that that's why i refer to him as

00:23:43.176 --> 00:23:45.597
a reality tv star but like he also

00:23:45.617 --> 00:23:46.878
has spent a lot of time commentating on

00:23:46.898 --> 00:23:48.900
the ufc and i i would assume knows

00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:50.240
a lot about it i don't know much

00:23:50.260 --> 00:23:53.162
about it so it sounds intelligent and

00:23:53.182 --> 00:23:54.782
that's that's his bread and butter right

00:23:54.803 --> 00:23:55.983
it's talking about a lot of things people

00:23:56.003 --> 00:23:57.984
aren't well informed on and then having

00:23:58.005 --> 00:23:59.846
this faux sort of expertise come in

00:24:00.763 --> 00:24:04.326
But this podcast isn't with an expert on

00:24:05.008 --> 00:24:06.628
either AI or religion.

00:24:07.028 --> 00:24:08.650
So this topic falls really flat.

00:24:08.971 --> 00:24:10.771
The guy he's talking to, the podcast host,

00:24:11.051 --> 00:24:13.173
just sort of goes, mm-hmm.

00:24:14.214 --> 00:24:15.915
Because it's such a ludicrous statement,

00:24:15.955 --> 00:24:17.297
he wants to respond negatively.

00:24:17.336 --> 00:24:18.178
But it's Joe Rogan,

00:24:18.198 --> 00:24:19.239
so of course he won't.

00:24:19.659 --> 00:24:21.180
And then the guy brings up Tesla,

00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:22.201
which is a real thing.

00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:26.523
And then Transformers and Star Trek,

00:24:26.544 --> 00:24:29.767
which are fictional things.

00:24:30.806 --> 00:24:34.249
as like, wouldn't AI Jesus be cool?

00:24:34.288 --> 00:24:34.969
And it's like, well,

00:24:35.369 --> 00:24:38.471
Teslas are some of the least reliable cars

00:24:38.551 --> 00:24:39.211
on the road.

00:24:39.833 --> 00:24:42.134
And it's just like a meme stock.

00:24:42.275 --> 00:24:44.936
It's not a meme stock,

00:24:44.957 --> 00:24:46.157
but it's certainly overvalued,

00:24:46.298 --> 00:24:47.218
not based on anything.

00:24:48.719 --> 00:24:52.061
And so, yeah, that's a problem.

00:24:52.082 --> 00:24:53.663
So you're highlighting something that

00:24:53.782 --> 00:24:56.005
spectacularly in its last product launch

00:24:56.045 --> 00:24:57.445
failed spectacularly.

00:24:58.138 --> 00:25:01.641
The Cybertruck is still a laughing stock

00:25:01.661 --> 00:25:02.842
for anyone who sees it out on the

00:25:02.882 --> 00:25:04.643
road and watches videos of it not working

00:25:04.663 --> 00:25:05.544
the way that it's supposed to,

00:25:06.183 --> 00:25:09.266
which will not stop bringing me joy at

00:25:09.286 --> 00:25:10.007
this point in my life.

00:25:12.688 --> 00:25:15.009
And like nowhere close to making progress

00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:15.910
or selling more cars.

00:25:15.950 --> 00:25:17.510
We're not closer to self-driving or any of

00:25:17.530 --> 00:25:18.811
the other things that he talks about.

00:25:18.951 --> 00:25:20.113
So we have Tesla,

00:25:20.573 --> 00:25:21.814
which is a failing brand.

00:25:22.925 --> 00:25:25.626
we have which also again like his market

00:25:25.727 --> 00:25:28.326
for electric vehicles has been undermined

00:25:28.386 --> 00:25:29.928
by his grift to the right wing like

00:25:30.988 --> 00:25:33.268
if anything he was getting more of the

00:25:33.347 --> 00:25:36.709
Prius environmentally aware crowd and like

00:25:36.828 --> 00:25:39.130
right he's alienated all of them so

00:25:40.210 --> 00:25:43.990
whatever that guy this podcast when I talk

00:25:44.010 --> 00:25:46.451
about again Tesla which is a real thing

00:25:46.471 --> 00:25:48.811
but is failing and two fictional things as

00:25:48.852 --> 00:25:49.672
examples of

00:25:50.705 --> 00:25:51.326
AI Jesus.

00:25:52.287 --> 00:25:54.627
And that's where we're at.

00:25:54.688 --> 00:25:56.288
We're talking about Star Trek and

00:25:56.308 --> 00:25:57.469
Transformers being real,

00:25:57.969 --> 00:25:59.529
and neither of those things are.

00:26:00.029 --> 00:26:01.411
And we're also talking about Jesus being

00:26:01.451 --> 00:26:02.951
real and also wasn't.

00:26:02.971 --> 00:26:07.114
And that's the overlap here,

00:26:07.213 --> 00:26:11.655
the conglomeration of we don't have data,

00:26:11.715 --> 00:26:12.895
we don't have evidence,

00:26:12.955 --> 00:26:14.777
our talking points aren't being borne out

00:26:14.817 --> 00:26:15.498
by reality.

00:26:15.538 --> 00:26:16.317
We can't say...

00:26:16.962 --> 00:26:18.544
Trump will save the middle class.

00:26:18.604 --> 00:26:20.464
We can't say Trump will protect children.

00:26:20.525 --> 00:26:21.885
We can't say Trump will release the

00:26:21.945 --> 00:26:22.586
Epstein files.

00:26:22.605 --> 00:26:24.106
We can't say Trump will lower prices.

00:26:24.426 --> 00:26:25.807
We can't say any of those things because

00:26:25.827 --> 00:26:27.327
it's been a year and none of that

00:26:27.367 --> 00:26:28.949
has happened and the opposite keeps

00:26:28.969 --> 00:26:29.388
happening.

00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:31.891
So we have to change tact.

00:26:31.971 --> 00:26:34.412
And because we can't live in reality,

00:26:34.471 --> 00:26:36.972
we have to venture into unreality,

00:26:37.394 --> 00:26:41.496
superstition, magical thinking, religion,

00:26:41.596 --> 00:26:41.836
right?

00:26:41.895 --> 00:26:42.096
Like,

00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:43.891
that's where we're at.

00:26:43.911 --> 00:26:46.413
And, and the other, you know, example,

00:26:46.613 --> 00:26:47.753
this is a little bit of an older

00:26:47.874 --> 00:26:47.973
one,

00:26:48.013 --> 00:26:49.976
but one that I think is far more

00:26:50.016 --> 00:26:51.777
nefarious and that less people know about,

00:26:51.797 --> 00:26:52.656
which is Peter Thiel.

00:26:53.258 --> 00:26:53.337
Um,

00:26:53.478 --> 00:26:55.960
Peter Thiel has bankrolled JD Vance's

00:26:56.059 --> 00:26:59.162
entire political real, uh, real, uh, his,

00:26:59.541 --> 00:27:01.702
his entire political career.

00:27:02.463 --> 00:27:04.005
Um, Peter Thiel, uh,

00:27:04.404 --> 00:27:06.286
has made a bunch of money off of

00:27:06.846 --> 00:27:08.367
different venture capital, uh,

00:27:08.387 --> 00:27:10.489
around the internet and the.com bubble.

00:27:11.230 --> 00:27:11.329
Um,

00:27:13.880 --> 00:27:15.201
He owns Palantir,

00:27:15.221 --> 00:27:16.583
which is getting a bunch of government

00:27:16.623 --> 00:27:17.784
contracts to spy on us.

00:27:19.005 --> 00:27:20.346
We're just fully moving into the

00:27:20.386 --> 00:27:21.288
surveillance state.

00:27:22.288 --> 00:27:24.671
And again, for regular people,

00:27:24.790 --> 00:27:26.212
our lives will continue to get worse.

00:27:26.252 --> 00:27:28.134
But again, for the wealthy ruling class,

00:27:28.154 --> 00:27:29.655
it's been a pretty successful first year

00:27:29.675 --> 00:27:30.477
of a presidency,

00:27:30.517 --> 00:27:32.179
which is what they bought and paid for,

00:27:32.278 --> 00:27:32.479
right?

00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:33.921
They want...

00:27:35.250 --> 00:27:37.290
things to be unregulated so they can harm

00:27:37.310 --> 00:27:39.873
the environment so they cannot owe money

00:27:39.913 --> 00:27:42.255
to regular people or investors or anything

00:27:42.295 --> 00:27:44.336
they want deregulation so they can grift

00:27:45.136 --> 00:27:48.019
and get away with it and uh you

00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.060
know Larry Ellison you know is working on

00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:53.063
he's bought Paramount he's trying to to

00:27:53.103 --> 00:27:57.125
bungle up the uh Netflix uh HBO deal

00:27:57.164 --> 00:28:00.847
so that or net Netflix um Warner Brothers

00:28:00.887 --> 00:28:01.648
deal so that

00:28:02.531 --> 00:28:05.594
he can buy that too, because again, um,

00:28:06.194 --> 00:28:09.057
he owns a lot of AI data centers.

00:28:09.217 --> 00:28:11.638
And so while, uh, not owning AI,

00:28:11.679 --> 00:28:13.619
he's a huge investor in open AI,

00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:15.221
which is the chat GPT company.

00:28:15.761 --> 00:28:17.863
And then he wants to control the narrative

00:28:17.942 --> 00:28:19.084
in these entertainment companies.

00:28:19.144 --> 00:28:20.164
So it's, it's yes,

00:28:20.204 --> 00:28:21.786
shifting the over to window and

00:28:21.826 --> 00:28:24.307
controlling the means of, of, um,

00:28:26.214 --> 00:28:28.476
mass producing propaganda,

00:28:28.655 --> 00:28:30.116
which is the entertainment stuff.

00:28:30.136 --> 00:28:32.478
But I think it goes deeper than that,

00:28:32.498 --> 00:28:35.519
which is controlling the AI data centers

00:28:35.618 --> 00:28:37.140
and then controlling the media companies

00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:40.181
to start shoveling and funneling AI in.

00:28:40.221 --> 00:28:41.122
So it's just this

00:28:42.574 --> 00:28:45.275
printing money for him basically and his

00:28:45.836 --> 00:28:48.477
nefarious offspring i assume i don't know

00:28:48.537 --> 00:28:50.198
again like all these people also turn to

00:28:50.238 --> 00:28:51.778
religion because they're scared of dying

00:28:51.798 --> 00:28:54.380
because the technology isn't real where

00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.160
they can upload their consciousness and

00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.240
live forever and like everybody they're

00:28:58.280 --> 00:29:01.163
dying and like far too many people they've

00:29:01.202 --> 00:29:02.824
never really accepted that fact and so now

00:29:02.844 --> 00:29:04.604
they're scared because their money cannot

00:29:04.624 --> 00:29:07.965
buy them immortality but uh peter teal is

00:29:08.125 --> 00:29:09.646
a real life ghoul um

00:29:10.443 --> 00:29:11.785
I say that derisively.

00:29:11.825 --> 00:29:12.885
I don't know what is wrong with his

00:29:12.905 --> 00:29:13.165
face.

00:29:13.247 --> 00:29:15.048
I assume it's botched plastic surgery from

00:29:15.067 --> 00:29:16.970
being a wealthy person trying to look

00:29:16.990 --> 00:29:17.810
young and failing.

00:29:18.151 --> 00:29:19.471
He spent a lot of money on like

00:29:19.491 --> 00:29:21.394
weird stuff to stay young.

00:29:22.894 --> 00:29:26.077
He's gay and like, I don't know,

00:29:26.679 --> 00:29:28.720
his partner fell out of a very tall

00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:30.561
window not that long ago.

00:29:30.622 --> 00:29:32.002
And I don't want to be conspiratorial,

00:29:32.022 --> 00:29:33.805
but that does happen in Russia a lot.

00:29:34.883 --> 00:29:36.223
as a way to get rid of people.

00:29:36.443 --> 00:29:37.664
And I don't know, again,

00:29:37.704 --> 00:29:39.465
like the real life stuff we know about

00:29:39.506 --> 00:29:41.367
Peter Thiel is he's just sort of a

00:29:41.428 --> 00:29:41.887
ghoul.

00:29:41.948 --> 00:29:43.588
He's an unpleasant, unhappy person.

00:29:43.729 --> 00:29:44.130
Again,

00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:46.211
if I had enough money to not work,

00:29:46.270 --> 00:29:48.152
like you just wouldn't hear from me.

00:29:49.032 --> 00:29:50.733
And I'd be doing like whatever version of

00:29:50.753 --> 00:29:52.454
the Mackenzie Scott thing I could do,

00:29:52.515 --> 00:29:54.195
which is giving as much of it away

00:29:54.236 --> 00:29:54.777
as I can.

00:29:54.936 --> 00:29:59.519
And then just reading books somewhere and

00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:02.942
growing plants, rescuing dogs, probably.

00:30:03.603 --> 00:30:03.923
I don't know.

00:30:07.336 --> 00:30:08.897
we could be making sure kids aren't

00:30:08.978 --> 00:30:09.357
hungry,

00:30:09.698 --> 00:30:11.359
but we're giving lectures about the

00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:12.500
antichrist and said, I don't,

00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:15.522
I don't understand rich people, but yes,

00:30:15.583 --> 00:30:17.864
Peter Thiel has been on a lecture tour.

00:30:17.884 --> 00:30:19.525
I'm quote unquote,

00:30:19.585 --> 00:30:21.366
he's given several lectures that you had

00:30:21.386 --> 00:30:22.326
to like get tickets to.

00:30:22.346 --> 00:30:27.750
And he's been very, um, sort of, uh,

00:30:27.790 --> 00:30:29.653
this sheen of academia around it.

00:30:29.673 --> 00:30:30.772
But again, he's just wealthy.

00:30:31.074 --> 00:30:33.075
So he's renting an auditorium to hear

00:30:33.095 --> 00:30:34.695
himself talk and making people pay for it.

00:30:35.416 --> 00:30:35.457
Um,

00:30:36.428 --> 00:30:39.278
But he's been on the Antichrist for a

00:30:39.298 --> 00:30:39.638
while.

00:30:40.421 --> 00:30:43.009
And now, if you know anything about...

00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.721
the right wing musk and teal and making

00:30:47.761 --> 00:30:49.862
money off of paypal but then there was

00:30:49.882 --> 00:30:52.282
an early two thousand sort of right wing

00:30:52.363 --> 00:30:56.003
think tank that was online um which is

00:30:56.284 --> 00:30:58.904
which is curtis yarvin uh where he sort

00:30:58.944 --> 00:31:01.665
of came in and the dark enlightenment is

00:31:01.746 --> 00:31:03.746
what it is called i think that's far

00:31:03.806 --> 00:31:06.166
too generous to make it a movement and

00:31:06.186 --> 00:31:08.027
to give it any sort of credibility it's

00:31:08.047 --> 00:31:10.448
a bunch of dorks uh circle jerking

00:31:11.528 --> 00:31:13.809
on forums about how smart they are because

00:31:13.849 --> 00:31:16.071
they didn't actually ever read any real

00:31:16.092 --> 00:31:17.813
philosophers or smart people and so

00:31:17.853 --> 00:31:19.733
they're just recreating things like

00:31:19.794 --> 00:31:21.796
religion even though because they're

00:31:22.036 --> 00:31:23.517
they're not well read and they have no

00:31:23.557 --> 00:31:25.179
real world experience they're just dorks

00:31:25.298 --> 00:31:26.740
and so they think they're very smart and

00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.942
they like to navel gaze um but yeah

00:31:30.982 --> 00:31:33.285
like uh yarvin's writing is very stupid

00:31:33.365 --> 00:31:35.425
and and he talks in sort of this

00:31:35.946 --> 00:31:38.709
sci-fi language about these entities and

00:31:39.429 --> 00:31:40.210
you know um

00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:43.011
It's not the foundation.

00:31:43.031 --> 00:31:44.292
That is actual sci-fi.

00:31:44.333 --> 00:31:45.233
That's Asimov.

00:31:45.294 --> 00:31:46.255
What am I thinking of?

00:31:47.457 --> 00:31:49.219
The Cathedral, I believe,

00:31:49.419 --> 00:31:51.941
is Yarvin's big metaphor and analogy for

00:31:52.040 --> 00:31:53.742
all these evils.

00:31:53.823 --> 00:31:57.646
It's the academics and their big towers

00:31:57.707 --> 00:31:59.189
and the Cathedral.

00:31:59.872 --> 00:32:02.553
But yeah, they're tech fascists.

00:32:02.633 --> 00:32:05.452
They're technocrats.

00:32:05.512 --> 00:32:07.453
They want the tech bros to be the

00:32:07.513 --> 00:32:08.513
ruling class.

00:32:09.173 --> 00:32:11.273
And so there's some overlap between Musk

00:32:11.334 --> 00:32:14.055
and Yarvin and Thiel and J.D.

00:32:14.154 --> 00:32:14.575
Vance,

00:32:14.595 --> 00:32:18.135
who again is one bad cheeseburger away

00:32:18.175 --> 00:32:19.076
from being the president.

00:32:20.175 --> 00:32:21.916
So these things matter.

00:32:21.997 --> 00:32:23.576
I think Yarvin is probably...

00:32:24.337 --> 00:32:26.118
some of the the i don't say the

00:32:26.138 --> 00:32:27.819
brains because again he he seems to be

00:32:28.299 --> 00:32:32.981
quite stupid actually um but like is sort

00:32:33.041 --> 00:32:36.583
of the the intellectual of the bunch musk

00:32:36.623 --> 00:32:39.005
is like i think accepted to be not

00:32:39.204 --> 00:32:41.685
smart at this point like he whatever sort

00:32:41.705 --> 00:32:43.747
of tony stark aura he used to have

00:32:43.787 --> 00:32:44.106
that has

00:32:45.287 --> 00:32:47.367
gone away by failing to launch the

00:32:47.407 --> 00:32:49.730
Cybertruck anything close to successfully,

00:32:50.150 --> 00:32:52.611
and also then being very public with Doge

00:32:53.132 --> 00:32:54.873
and just using it to steal all of

00:32:54.893 --> 00:32:56.314
our data to feed to Croc,

00:32:56.534 --> 00:32:59.494
which is the Twitter AI.

00:33:01.016 --> 00:33:02.317
The XAI.

00:33:03.438 --> 00:33:05.459
That stupid timeline we're living in.

00:33:06.219 --> 00:33:06.459
Anyway,

00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:08.079
Peter Thiel is obsessed with the

00:33:08.181 --> 00:33:11.342
Antichrist and not dying himself at

00:33:11.362 --> 00:33:12.303
looking like a vampire.

00:33:14.405 --> 00:33:17.388
And he thinks Greta Thunberg is the

00:33:17.449 --> 00:33:19.510
Antichrist because he thinks people who

00:33:19.951 --> 00:33:22.854
want to regulate AI or are concerned about

00:33:22.894 --> 00:33:26.376
climate change are pushing for a new world

00:33:26.497 --> 00:33:26.897
order,

00:33:27.077 --> 00:33:31.682
a one world government in which the

00:33:31.761 --> 00:33:34.424
Antichrist is wokeness.

00:33:35.345 --> 00:33:36.526
I don't think he says wokeness,

00:33:36.566 --> 00:33:39.028
but like the Antichrist is concerned about

00:33:41.093 --> 00:33:43.334
his perspective is rules and regulations.

00:33:43.354 --> 00:33:44.953
It's holding back progress is the

00:33:45.034 --> 00:33:45.713
antichrist.

00:33:45.773 --> 00:33:47.954
And that would be people who want to

00:33:48.015 --> 00:33:51.194
preserve the environment.

00:33:52.715 --> 00:33:53.175
And so again,

00:33:53.256 --> 00:33:55.655
if you're really wealthy and you are

00:33:55.816 --> 00:33:56.997
heavily invested in tech,

00:33:57.297 --> 00:34:00.916
who is your bad guy?

00:34:00.958 --> 00:34:01.157
Right.

00:34:01.198 --> 00:34:02.617
People who want to regulate AI,

00:34:02.678 --> 00:34:04.438
people who are acknowledging that AI is

00:34:04.498 --> 00:34:06.278
incredibly damaging for the environment

00:34:06.358 --> 00:34:07.298
and people who

00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:13.922
have empathy for other people.

00:34:13.943 --> 00:34:15.623
People who look around and say, Hey,

00:34:15.664 --> 00:34:17.965
the wealthy business owners have never

00:34:18.005 --> 00:34:20.146
really made good ideas that are healthy

00:34:20.166 --> 00:34:20.887
for everyone else.

00:34:20.947 --> 00:34:23.789
They want to find out how much sawdust

00:34:23.829 --> 00:34:25.510
they can put in cereal and still get

00:34:25.530 --> 00:34:27.570
away with it is how they use their

00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:27.911
money.

00:34:28.471 --> 00:34:29.172
That's a real thing.

00:34:29.211 --> 00:34:33.833
That's a Kellogg's corporation.

00:34:33.853 --> 00:34:34.594
Um, so, you know,

00:34:35.612 --> 00:34:35.871
Yeah,

00:34:35.972 --> 00:34:39.092
from his perspective of wealthy fascist,

00:34:40.333 --> 00:34:40.673
yes,

00:34:40.713 --> 00:34:42.733
people who are pushing for regulations and

00:34:42.793 --> 00:34:44.574
care about climate change would be your

00:34:44.675 --> 00:34:46.876
antichrist if you're a villain.

00:34:47.436 --> 00:34:48.436
If you're Lex Luthor,

00:34:48.775 --> 00:34:52.478
Superman's the worst, right?

00:34:52.498 --> 00:34:54.637
Truth, justice in the American way.

00:34:55.219 --> 00:34:57.298
I don't love that as a Superman slogan,

00:34:57.338 --> 00:34:59.880
but yes, if you're evil,

00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:01.981
truth and justice are bad.

00:35:03.208 --> 00:35:05.268
If you are a criminal,

00:35:05.329 --> 00:35:08.289
then transparency is bad.

00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:11.972
If you are taking bribes and buying your

00:35:12.012 --> 00:35:13.072
way into power,

00:35:13.132 --> 00:35:15.813
then transparency and regulations and

00:35:15.873 --> 00:35:18.094
rules limiting how much wealth you can

00:35:18.135 --> 00:35:19.534
exploit from people are bad.

00:35:19.635 --> 00:35:21.315
If you are ruining the environment for

00:35:21.335 --> 00:35:22.536
your own personal gain,

00:35:22.597 --> 00:35:23.896
then regulations that protect the

00:35:23.918 --> 00:35:24.818
environment are bad.

00:35:25.418 --> 00:35:27.619
And so his version of the Antichrist is

00:35:27.798 --> 00:35:29.840
laughably depthless.

00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.340
It is truly just

00:35:33.048 --> 00:35:34.650
From Peter Thiel's mind,

00:35:34.969 --> 00:35:36.670
what limits him making more money?

00:35:37.731 --> 00:35:39.012
Let's call that the Antichrist.

00:35:39.172 --> 00:35:41.753
And so it's taking, again,

00:35:41.813 --> 00:35:43.574
things that are devoid of any basis in

00:35:43.614 --> 00:35:44.155
reality,

00:35:44.195 --> 00:35:46.436
things that do not have backing from

00:35:46.916 --> 00:35:48.836
science, from research, from data,

00:35:48.896 --> 00:35:50.177
from evidence that we have,

00:35:50.577 --> 00:35:52.018
because we don't have any of those things

00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:52.699
that are solid.

00:35:52.739 --> 00:35:54.760
We're just turning into the magical

00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.081
thinking of religion because it allows for

00:35:58.161 --> 00:35:59.702
a space where we do not have critical

00:35:59.742 --> 00:36:00.302
thinking skills.

00:36:00.902 --> 00:36:01.061
Now,

00:36:01.402 --> 00:36:02.822
if that was all that was going on,

00:36:02.902 --> 00:36:04.563
I don't know that if I would have

00:36:04.603 --> 00:36:05.463
wanted to talk about it.

00:36:05.543 --> 00:36:07.043
Again, like project twenty twenty five,

00:36:07.103 --> 00:36:09.045
there's a little bit of like realization

00:36:09.065 --> 00:36:10.246
and normalization that I want to do and

00:36:10.286 --> 00:36:10.585
say, like,

00:36:10.646 --> 00:36:13.166
if you feel worse off and you feel

00:36:13.286 --> 00:36:15.027
like more anxious or your nervous system

00:36:15.088 --> 00:36:18.108
is less aligned, like that's correct.

00:36:18.168 --> 00:36:18.909
That's accurate.

00:36:18.929 --> 00:36:20.929
That is your system responding to threats

00:36:20.969 --> 00:36:22.990
that are being done very intentionally.

00:36:25.891 --> 00:36:27.132
That was all part of project twenty twenty

00:36:27.152 --> 00:36:27.353
five.

00:36:27.452 --> 00:36:27.652
It was.

00:36:28.682 --> 00:36:30.804
demonizing the LGBTQ plus community,

00:36:30.844 --> 00:36:31.985
taking away people's rights,

00:36:32.025 --> 00:36:33.106
women's reproductive rights,

00:36:33.726 --> 00:36:35.648
ending a no fault divorce,

00:36:35.847 --> 00:36:38.489
and then demonizing black and brown people

00:36:38.811 --> 00:36:41.032
and deporting them often illegally.

00:36:41.833 --> 00:36:44.155
So yeah, that's, that's been the plan.

00:36:44.775 --> 00:36:45.715
Um,

00:36:45.755 --> 00:36:46.896
and project twenty twenty five is about

00:36:46.976 --> 00:36:48.217
like control through terror.

00:36:48.418 --> 00:36:50.820
And so is project twenty twenty six.

00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.322
And so, yeah.

00:36:55.382 --> 00:36:56.463
Anyway, um,

00:36:58.603 --> 00:36:58.903
Yeah,

00:36:58.943 --> 00:37:01.045
but then we also recently have this

00:37:01.146 --> 00:37:03.867
student at Oklahoma State University,

00:37:03.907 --> 00:37:04.907
I believe it was OSU,

00:37:05.068 --> 00:37:08.110
who was supposed to write a paper about

00:37:08.210 --> 00:37:11.913
bullying related to gender and instead

00:37:11.972 --> 00:37:16.255
wrote a two-page paper about how God made

00:37:16.936 --> 00:37:18.936
male and females and therefore bullying

00:37:18.976 --> 00:37:19.697
isn't a problem?

00:37:20.958 --> 00:37:24.420
I did skim the essay,

00:37:24.460 --> 00:37:25.701
which is available online.

00:37:25.942 --> 00:37:27.282
It's very poorly written.

00:37:27.643 --> 00:37:28.143
I taught

00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:33.193
several uh classes at the college level as

00:37:33.235 --> 00:37:37.858
an adjunct instructor and yeah it's poorly

00:37:37.878 --> 00:37:42.222
done it's very very poorly written um

00:37:42.262 --> 00:37:44.224
nothing was cited even if you wanted to

00:37:44.244 --> 00:37:46.126
cite your personal belief like cite

00:37:46.246 --> 00:37:49.028
scripture quote quote a bible passage none

00:37:49.048 --> 00:37:51.851
of that happened it was truly just like

00:37:52.192 --> 00:37:53.733
i feel this so i can put it

00:37:53.753 --> 00:37:54.715
in a paper and write that way

00:37:55.927 --> 00:37:57.708
So it wasn't an academic paper.

00:37:57.788 --> 00:37:59.509
It didn't respond to the prompts.

00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:04.351
And that got the teacher put on hiatus.

00:38:04.550 --> 00:38:05.170
And like,

00:38:06.032 --> 00:38:07.751
there's a new Riley Gaines of like,

00:38:07.972 --> 00:38:09.313
why are we listening to a fifth place

00:38:09.353 --> 00:38:10.693
swimmer talk about anything?

00:38:10.733 --> 00:38:12.855
Why are we listening to a twenty-year-old

00:38:12.875 --> 00:38:14.835
psych student who failed a pretty simple

00:38:14.894 --> 00:38:16.635
assignment?

00:38:16.655 --> 00:38:17.996
They're not sending their best because

00:38:18.036 --> 00:38:19.797
they don't have a best to send.

00:38:22.759 --> 00:38:23.298
So again, like,

00:38:24.027 --> 00:38:26.134
That just as a wrap up here to

00:38:26.414 --> 00:38:26.856
highlight,

00:38:26.896 --> 00:38:29.302
like this is the real world application of

00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:31.166
if you don't listen to Joe Rogan and

00:38:31.186 --> 00:38:32.791
you're not particularly interested in

00:38:33.871 --> 00:38:34.231
I don't know,

00:38:34.311 --> 00:38:36.090
knowing why the CIA is a bad thing

00:38:36.331 --> 00:38:38.271
and we've been villainous across our

00:38:38.592 --> 00:38:40.211
existence as a country and you're not

00:38:40.251 --> 00:38:42.132
interested in the deep dives on who are

00:38:42.532 --> 00:38:44.472
the people pulling the strings or writing

00:38:44.512 --> 00:38:46.153
the think pieces that allow the people to

00:38:46.173 --> 00:38:47.773
pull the strings, that's fine.

00:38:47.793 --> 00:38:50.054
You don't need to know Curtis Yarvin's

00:38:50.193 --> 00:38:52.335
online personas, Mencius Molbug,

00:38:53.434 --> 00:38:55.976
or any of those rabbit holes that I

00:38:55.996 --> 00:38:56.896
happen to be aware of.

00:38:57.936 --> 00:39:02.117
But this is making...

00:39:04.076 --> 00:39:07.157
This is chilling free speech.

00:39:07.217 --> 00:39:08.817
This is chilling scientific thought.

00:39:08.896 --> 00:39:10.498
This is chilling any sort of standards,

00:39:10.958 --> 00:39:12.737
all under the name of promoting

00:39:13.659 --> 00:39:14.539
Christofascism.

00:39:15.219 --> 00:39:15.898
Because again,

00:39:15.938 --> 00:39:17.300
we're not extending these freedoms or

00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:18.860
these protections to people from other

00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.400
religions.

00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.641
And so even if you're on team free

00:39:22.701 --> 00:39:23.181
religion,

00:39:25.722 --> 00:39:26.322
I would hope

00:39:27.548 --> 00:39:28.590
And I'm laughing.

00:39:28.690 --> 00:39:30.610
I know why people don't see it this

00:39:30.650 --> 00:39:30.811
way,

00:39:30.851 --> 00:39:32.152
because if you're an evangelical

00:39:32.172 --> 00:39:32.512
Christian,

00:39:32.532 --> 00:39:33.954
this seems like a win for you because

00:39:33.974 --> 00:39:35.034
your team is winning.

00:39:35.875 --> 00:39:36.235
But again,

00:39:36.335 --> 00:39:39.137
what we're seeing is the right wing is

00:39:39.157 --> 00:39:39.797
falling apart.

00:39:39.878 --> 00:39:41.500
The rats are abandoning the ship and they

00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:42.860
will start to eat each other.

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:43.902
And there's going to be

00:39:45.204 --> 00:39:45.764
reckoning,

00:39:45.905 --> 00:39:48.927
you can't build a theocracy because these

00:39:49.027 --> 00:39:50.666
Christo-fascists don't go to the same

00:39:50.706 --> 00:39:51.248
churches.

00:39:51.547 --> 00:39:53.909
They're not the same religion themselves.

00:39:53.949 --> 00:39:55.688
There's all these different sects.

00:39:55.768 --> 00:39:57.309
The thing that they're interested in is

00:39:57.389 --> 00:39:57.829
power.

00:39:59.291 --> 00:40:00.431
I quoted Margaret Bronson,

00:40:00.451 --> 00:40:01.751
who was on the podcast,

00:40:01.791 --> 00:40:03.393
but does deconstruction too,

00:40:03.413 --> 00:40:04.193
does a lot of great work,

00:40:06.054 --> 00:40:08.175
said that white supremacy is the egg in

00:40:08.255 --> 00:40:09.235
the cake that

00:40:11.478 --> 00:40:13.199
christian nationalists are baking it is

00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:14.880
the ingredient that holds everything else

00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:17.621
together for people who do not agree on

00:40:17.702 --> 00:40:19.503
other policies and do not believe in the

00:40:19.543 --> 00:40:21.483
same theocracy and do not worship at the

00:40:21.523 --> 00:40:23.164
same churches the thing they have in

00:40:23.204 --> 00:40:26.407
common is white supremacy and and it's off

00:40:26.806 --> 00:40:29.389
uh shoot in america which is power and

00:40:29.469 --> 00:40:34.110
so yeah again like if you're somebody who

00:40:34.150 --> 00:40:35.672
bristles at being called a white

00:40:35.692 --> 00:40:37.193
supremacist because you voted for donald

00:40:37.213 --> 00:40:37.693
trump like

00:40:38.775 --> 00:40:40.858
why are you voting for the same person

00:40:40.998 --> 00:40:42.322
as the white supremacists?

00:40:43.463 --> 00:40:46.088
If you find Nick Fuentes to be

00:40:46.148 --> 00:40:46.949
distasteful,

00:40:47.731 --> 00:40:50.096
why are you on the same side as

00:40:50.115 --> 00:40:50.235
him?

00:40:52.322 --> 00:40:55.123
And it's exhausting for people who are not

00:40:55.202 --> 00:40:56.623
on the same side as him to look

00:40:56.664 --> 00:40:58.724
at people who want to stay on the

00:40:58.744 --> 00:40:59.605
same side as him and say,

00:40:59.644 --> 00:41:00.304
but we're not.

00:41:00.965 --> 00:41:02.266
Christians are, right?

00:41:02.565 --> 00:41:03.606
Evangelicals are.

00:41:04.045 --> 00:41:05.567
Evangelicals voted for Trump.

00:41:05.666 --> 00:41:08.047
Eighty percent of evangelicals voted for

00:41:08.268 --> 00:41:10.028
Trump three times in a row, right?

00:41:12.128 --> 00:41:13.389
It's beyond defensible.

00:41:15.512 --> 00:41:17.673
And so there is no reality to it.

00:41:17.693 --> 00:41:18.855
There is no backbone to it.

00:41:18.875 --> 00:41:20.197
There is no internal consistency.

00:41:20.237 --> 00:41:21.398
There is no evidence for it.

00:41:21.478 --> 00:41:23.119
And so we have to use magical thinking,

00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:25.661
which is why the right wing latched onto

00:41:25.681 --> 00:41:26.563
the religious right,

00:41:26.603 --> 00:41:28.704
because they're already prepped and

00:41:28.744 --> 00:41:31.067
trained for lacking critical thinking

00:41:31.086 --> 00:41:31.347
skills.

00:41:31.367 --> 00:41:33.469
They're already open to superstition and

00:41:33.510 --> 00:41:34.210
magical thinking.

00:41:34.230 --> 00:41:35.952
They're already open to doing things

00:41:36.490 --> 00:41:38.952
as a matter of faith without any proof

00:41:39.112 --> 00:41:39.873
or evidence.

00:41:40.594 --> 00:41:42.215
And so, you know, again,

00:41:42.295 --> 00:41:44.197
I don't think Peter Thiel thinks Greta

00:41:44.217 --> 00:41:45.639
Thunberg is the Antichrist.

00:41:45.699 --> 00:41:47.260
I think he's trying to control the

00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:48.882
narrative to maintain his wealth and

00:41:48.922 --> 00:41:49.121
power.

00:41:49.753 --> 00:41:51.572
I think Joe Rogan sees the writing on

00:41:51.612 --> 00:41:55.153
the wall and perhaps is somewhat good at

00:41:55.233 --> 00:41:56.994
the media landscape.

00:41:57.195 --> 00:41:59.534
And so as somebody who got his start

00:41:59.594 --> 00:42:00.235
in television,

00:42:01.056 --> 00:42:02.936
can shift and change with that.

00:42:03.155 --> 00:42:04.697
I don't think they're true believers.

00:42:05.896 --> 00:42:07.056
I'm skeptical that someone like Mike

00:42:07.097 --> 00:42:08.597
Johnson is a true believer.

00:42:08.657 --> 00:42:09.777
I think he is probably a white

00:42:09.797 --> 00:42:10.438
supremacist.

00:42:10.538 --> 00:42:11.697
And so, you know,

00:42:12.898 --> 00:42:15.159
aligning with a church that backs that is

00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:15.958
probably accurate.

00:42:16.018 --> 00:42:17.039
Same with Hegseth, right?

00:42:17.659 --> 00:42:18.559
Doug Wilson is...

00:42:22.983 --> 00:42:23.284
But again,

00:42:23.623 --> 00:42:25.025
Christianity and white supremacy are

00:42:25.065 --> 00:42:25.565
deeply tied.

00:42:25.585 --> 00:42:26.806
I don't think you can separate those

00:42:26.826 --> 00:42:27.106
things.

00:42:27.365 --> 00:42:28.706
So I'm not even trying to be like,

00:42:28.867 --> 00:42:29.827
not a real Christian.

00:42:30.266 --> 00:42:36.389
No, Christianity is bad.

00:42:36.429 --> 00:42:38.610
You can't clean your own house of these

00:42:38.670 --> 00:42:39.731
racists and bigots,

00:42:39.771 --> 00:42:41.572
then you don't get to dictate morality for

00:42:41.612 --> 00:42:44.653
anyone else.

00:42:44.753 --> 00:42:45.594
It's my stance on it.

00:42:47.632 --> 00:42:49.134
And so I feel tired and defeated at

00:42:49.153 --> 00:42:50.074
the end of this episode.

00:42:50.114 --> 00:42:51.173
And that's not a fun way to end

00:42:51.213 --> 00:42:53.295
the year, but like, I do want to,

00:42:53.394 --> 00:42:53.655
again,

00:42:53.695 --> 00:42:55.615
like highlight that this is bad for

00:42:55.635 --> 00:42:56.615
people's mental health.

00:42:56.655 --> 00:42:58.396
Like fascism is bad for health and

00:42:58.436 --> 00:42:58.896
wellness.

00:42:58.916 --> 00:43:00.898
It's great for corporate interests.

00:43:00.938 --> 00:43:03.219
We've invested in fascism,

00:43:05.739 --> 00:43:07.079
but it's not fun to live through for

00:43:07.099 --> 00:43:07.719
the rest of us.

00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:09.161
And if you are triggered by it,

00:43:09.221 --> 00:43:10.521
if your nervous system is on fire,

00:43:10.581 --> 00:43:13.282
if you are feeling hopeless,

00:43:13.442 --> 00:43:15.782
doom and gloom burnt out on all like,

00:43:15.862 --> 00:43:16.282
yeah, that,

00:43:17.664 --> 00:43:20.186
yeah i think that's realistic i don't know

00:43:20.206 --> 00:43:22.748
that that's helpful to stay there i don't

00:43:22.768 --> 00:43:24.148
think it's good to stay burnt out i

00:43:24.168 --> 00:43:25.690
don't think it's good to stay doom and

00:43:25.710 --> 00:43:28.231
gloom again i think um i've said this

00:43:28.431 --> 00:43:30.293
in other places like a team collapse when

00:43:30.474 --> 00:43:34.076
when something that is unhealthy finally

00:43:34.456 --> 00:43:37.018
kicks the bucket and decomposes then

00:43:37.097 --> 00:43:39.739
something else can grow in that place and

00:43:39.780 --> 00:43:42.181
that's actual biology but if you want to

00:43:42.221 --> 00:43:43.501
be fancy you know you can talk about

00:43:43.902 --> 00:43:45.384
a phoenix rising from the ashes or

00:43:45.403 --> 00:43:45.943
whatever like

00:43:46.974 --> 00:43:48.675
Do I think America is going to cease

00:43:48.695 --> 00:43:49.315
to exist?

00:43:49.556 --> 00:43:49.896
No.

00:43:50.036 --> 00:43:51.797
Do I think I want America to limp

00:43:51.818 --> 00:43:53.378
along in the late-stage capitalist

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hellscape that it is?

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No.

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Better things are certainly available.

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So I'm not... I'm a cynical optimist.

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I believe good things could happen.

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I am skeptical that they will until we

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see evidence of it.

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But, you know, maybe that...

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Collapse has been hastened by all this

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fuckery.

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One can hope.

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That's what I got.

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If you can hear the tiredness in my

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voice,

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then you have learned and it has been

00:44:30.701 --> 00:44:32.902
successfully normalized that this is bad

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for our mental wellness.

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Go to therapy.

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Your therapist is seeing a therapist

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because they need it.

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It's the whole trick with this podcast.

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And so you also should go to therapy.

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All right.

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If you're feeling super burned out and

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have to live in a late-stage capitalistic

00:45:03.548 --> 00:45:04.588
hellscape like I do,

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and you want to gather with like-minded

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folks who are burnt out,

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and especially if you're a neurodivergent

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friend,

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I am running a retreat in February in

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southwest Wisconsin.

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I don't know how west it is.

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It's about ninety minutes from Milwaukee,

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ninety minutes from Madison.

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I'll be hosting a retreat in Princeton,

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Wisconsin.

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Details up on my website about that.

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It's called Burnout to Boundaries and it

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is neurodivergent friendly.

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And Princeton, Wisconsin,

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while being a small town in Wisconsin,

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is actually working on building a really

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progressive, safe,

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small town community environment there.

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And so, yeah,

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there's a lot of cool stuff there.

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So if this stuff bums you out, same.

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And if you want to gather in community,

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head over to my website or we'll put

00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:52.809
it in the show notes,

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drop in the show notes and check that

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out.

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And we'll be back in the new year

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with more guests and hopefully more

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uplifting stuff.

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That is what I want to talk about

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and what I like to do.

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And to protect my time and energy,

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we'll have a few more solo episodes.

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Take care of yourself.

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Take care of somebody else.

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Peace.