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Your Therapist Needs Therapy 129 - Comedians Manufacturing Consent for the Culture War
This week Jeremy looks at the process in which standup comedy has become a “neutral” on-ramp for culture-war ideology, shifting the Overton Window not through arguments, but through vibes, repetition, and algorithmic adjacency. We look at what gets framed as “reclaiming” language or pushing boundaries and how it actually functions as desensitization to train audiences to suppress empathy and mistake numbness for nuance. We also look at the billionaire buyout of our attention span and how their ownership of the entertainment industry is a purposeful goal of authoritarians and fascists everywhere.
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Welcome to another edition of your
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therapist needs therapy.
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the podcast where generally two mental
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health professionals sit down and talk
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about how they navigate their own mental
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wellness while working in the mental
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health field.
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Lately, here in the month of December,
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it has been just me.
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Hi, I'm Jeremy,
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licensed marriage and family therapist.
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We're chatting about some end of the year
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wrap up things and we're chatting about
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boundaries and how to do things related to
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the holiday.
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And we're looking at the end of the
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year.
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what what did we do for health and
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today's episode what has been harmful to
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our mental health and you know i talk
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a lot about the things especially politics
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that affect my work as a mental health
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professional the idea of rfk being in
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charge of anything let alone health and
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human services uh
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so you know like i've talked about the
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overton window before and how media played
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a part in that and some of that
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shifting stuff but we're going to talk
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today um something less something that is
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still political but less overtly so we're
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talking about the overton window and how
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it's been shifted uh but we're talking
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about how stand-up comedy has played an
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important role in
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would say shifting the overton window
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right and how that plays in with tech
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fascists i think i used to say tech
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oligarchs but but they really are just
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fascists now they've gone full mask off
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how billionaires owning all of the media
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has shaped things and where the daily wire
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has failed spectacularly especially once
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russia stopped giving them money
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how that gap is being filled by standup
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comedians and the algorithmic pipeline to
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launder hateful ideas as humor.
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And then how that algorithm kicks in from
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a quote unquote centrist or a political
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comedian into the more overtly right wing
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stuff.
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And like, let's start with the obvious,
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obvious to me anyway,
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right wing comedy isn't funny.
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it it doesn't work well because it uh
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it's constantly punching down and it needs
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to be sort of like hateful like again
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the right-wing ideology is there's there's
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an in-group there's an out-group there
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needs to be an enemy and so it's
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it's just always punching down and it's
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why something like tony hinchcliffe at
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like
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a Trump rally fell flat on its face
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unless you're already deeply steeped into
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internet culture and you're already a fan
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of Tony Hinchcliffe.
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And if you're a sane human being,
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then you don't know who Tony Hinchcliffe
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is.
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Blessings to you.
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I wish to have your brain.
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But the idea that somebody who's not that
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talented and not that funny can become...
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An avatar of the right wing ideology might
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sound farfetched until you look at Joe
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Rogan being the most popular podcaster in
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the world.
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And here's a guy who failed as a
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comedian.
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And you'd be like, my nephew,
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I have a nephew who likes Joe Rogan.
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My nephew would be like, oh,
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he's got a Netflix special.
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Where's your Netflix special?
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Well,
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like I've never tried to be a standup
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comedian.
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I'm not saying I'd be a good one
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or a successful one,
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not as successful as Joe Rogan.
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And also just saying like,
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Right,
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I have a job that helps people and
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I like it and it provides meaning to
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my life.
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I don't need to compare myself to Joe
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Rogan.
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I wouldn't pick it on Netflix special,
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I'd pick it on height or hair growth.
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For as many substances as he puts into
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his body,
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you think he would have solved that.
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uh no i mean there's always that what
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about ism and sort of the idea of
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why is commentary around this stuff like
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comedians don't need to take feedback from
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anybody who's not also a comedian like i'm
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sorry where does this brotherhood idea of
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comedy come from
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This is me ranting a little bit.
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This is not something that I thought
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through in my mental outline for this
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episode.
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But this goes back to, again,
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Jerry Seinfeld, I think.
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I recently complained about Seinfeld in my
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review of The Chair Company over on the
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YouTube channel.
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because I don't like screaming comedy.
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But there's a subset of comedians who are
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pretentious about comedy.
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And again,
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I'm not taking away from comedy as a
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potentially serious art form.
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And the people who do it well do
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think of it as a craft.
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But then, you know,
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they don't want any feedback.
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They don't want the idea that they bombed
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to be their fault.
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They want every success of theirs to be
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because they're genius level intellect and
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they just understand comedy at such a deep
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level.
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but they don't want the fact that they're
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booed or that they can't sell at stadiums
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anymore to be relevant.
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And like, you know,
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Seinfeld to me is the quintessential
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version of this, somebody who,
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Became high on their own supply,
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fell in love with the smell of their
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own farts and stopped being funny.
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And again, I'm not a Jerry Seinfeld fan.
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I didn't like the show.
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His standup is fine, but feels very dated.
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And like, it just wasn't ever adaptable.
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He did one thing.
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And like, that's fine, he did it well.
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And he's made millions of dollars off of
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it,
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probably billions of dollars off of it.
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I don't know how wealthy Jerry Seinfeld
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is.
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And then when he became wealthy,
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he stopped being funny.
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And when he stopped being funny,
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he started being mean and angry because
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that's what conservatism is.
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Look at how I came back full circle
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here.
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is as you get wealthy you'd start doing
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things to protect that wealth and you stop
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interacting with regular people and you
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lose touch of some of these common threads
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that work in comedy which is commentary
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around daily life and having yourself be
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super relatable if you live in a gated
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neighborhood and you never interact with
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real people and nobody ever tells you no
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because the only reason they like to
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interact with you is you buy them stuff
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you're not going to keep being funny
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It is what happened to Dave Chappelle.
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It is what I think probably happened to
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Ricky Gervais,
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although I do think Ricky Gervais is a
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better comedian.
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There are people who might disagree with
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me on the Dave Chappelle versus Ricky
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Gervais thing,
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and I can see Chappelle as...
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a genius level comedic act but like that
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hasn't translated currently right like he
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was the top of the mountain for a
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while and then he fell off where gervais
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i think has fell off and gotten some
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pushback for a lot of his anti-trans stuff
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rightfully so and ben called out for his
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punching down and he he remains a creative
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force where seinfeld's not doing anything
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chapelle's not doing anything except
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griping about cancel culture um
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And so this is not a new idea.
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And I'm going to talk about some more
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current stand-up comedians and maybe some
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ones that are more obscure to you.
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And hopefully between, you know,
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Palantir and the NSA and whoever else is
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listening in to whatever you put on your
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phone,
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this won't fuck up your algorithms and
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give you these people because I would feel
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bad for that.
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Um, I already feel bad if,
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if you didn't know who Tony Hinchcliffe
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was and now it came up,
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I think a lot of people didn't know
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who he was before he did the Trump
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rally.
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Um,
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I watch a lot of standup for just
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genuine enjoyment.
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And so it's just in my algorithm and
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you do sort of have to sort through
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some of this stuff and be like, Oh,
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I like this person.
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Oh, that was a really funny joke.
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I like that.
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And then you click on their stuff and
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you're like, Oh no,
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you can usually tell by which podcasts
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they're on.
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Um,
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so yeah like let's talk about shane gillis
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who i think has um had a pretty
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big rise in popularity and is all over
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the internet algorithm as a jumping off
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point to the right wing and so i'm
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not here to weigh in on whether he
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is liberal liberal or right-wing he's
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right-wing adjacent in my opinion and
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that's not the most well-informed opinion
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i don't
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think he's he's not my kind of funny
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so I've not kept up with his comedy
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much beyond what clips I see from you
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know his appearances on SNL or some other
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stuff I haven't watched what's his Netflix
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show tires
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But I know he is friends with a
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lot of the people and has been on
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Hinchcliffe's show multiple times.
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And so he's more on that side of
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things than I see him on the gay
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and queer and...
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more what i would consider the leftist
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podcasts that are hosted by comedians he
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might be that quote unquote centrist
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that's how i'm framing him for this
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episode shane gillis stands i don't know
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what to tell you if you want to
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angrily comment on this like
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go ahead, I'm owning,
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I'm not a huge fan and I haven't
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studied his work exhaustively.
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But like, right,
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Hinchcliffe gave a speech at a Trump
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rally.
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There's no way to say this person isn't
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overtly right-wing.
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And once you are watching or enjoying or
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lingering on a Shane Gillis video,
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whether it's on TikTok or Instagram Reels
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or YouTube Shorts,
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wherever your engagement lies then you're
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going to start getting more of that stuff
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and whether shane gillis is right or left
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wing
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he is one of those pipelines to the
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right wing.
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And I think history will probably view it
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as sort of the way that conservatism lands
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with wealthy people.
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And so once you get more and more
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famous and more and more popular,
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you often get more and more right wing.
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And again, like Seinfeld,
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Chappelle are good examples of that,
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I think.
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You know,
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like Pat McAfee for a non-comedian is a
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good option there.
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Because again,
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these people get more and more money and
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then they start surrounding themselves
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with yes men and then they don't want
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to have to deal with any of their
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own consequences.
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So you have sort of this stuff going
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on and the question might be,
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why does the algorithm work that way?
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Well,
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like the algorithm isn't the Wizard of Oz
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algorithm.
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Well, actually,
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the algorithm is the Wizard of Oz.
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It's just a man behind a curtain.
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The algorithm isn't magical.
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The algorithm isn't all-knowing.
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The algorithm sounds fancy because a lot
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of people don't like math.
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And so if you make it sound like
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math,
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people don't want to take the time to
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bother to understand it.
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But the algorithm is something that is...
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fancy math that gets manipulated towards
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certain outcomes.
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And so we're seeing this,
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overt monopolization these uh convergences
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between giant media conglomerations this
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has been going on for a long time
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it's been well documented going back to
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the nineties i remember i was a cultural
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studies minor i took a class on television
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in college it's the the single most
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reading i've ever done for a class you
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take this class it's called on television
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it's the title of the class so you
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assume you're going to get to watch a
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lot of tv and all we did was
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read media analysis
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um but back then it was sort of
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the big five there were these five media
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conglomerations that owned everything and
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those i think it is it is down
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even more than that and so we're seeing
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as i'm recording the netflix purchase of
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uh warner brothers which includes hbo and
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dc um and then paramount plus trying to
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come in paramount plus does not have any
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money
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Larry Ellison has money,
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but apparently that's just like a Saudi
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cover for that money.
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And so again,
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we have a couple things going on.
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We have tech bro fascists trying to take
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over things, Larry Ellison.
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And we have...
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The streaming service, quote unquote, war,
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that is like, again,
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that's just five companies in a trench
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coat standing on top of each other's
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shoulders pretending to give you the
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illusion of choice when really it's just a
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monopoly.
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And we have authoritarian regimes trying
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to launder their money and also whitewash
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their horrific human rights
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transgressions.
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Um, through buying sports,
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through buying entertainment, through, uh,
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using culture like WrestleMania in Saudi
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Arabia.
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and some of that other stuff to normalize,
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again,
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we're normalizing this lurch to the right
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of the Overton window.
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If you need more examples,
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if you need a wider understanding of what
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the Overton window is,
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where it came from and how it works,
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I talked about that in a previous episode,
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specifically related to sort of the right
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wing,
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department leaders in in the trump cabinet
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but um focusing more on the culture war
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stuff like yeah like the the comedy of
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these things the stand-up comedians are
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are a good example um and so there's
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an australian comedian um who's uh
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It's like, he's got four names.
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I always forget what it is.
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James McCann,
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I forget what his other middle names are.
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But like he has sort of that humor
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that is somewhat uncomfortable and just a
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little bit awkward.
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And then if you stick with it for
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a minute, it's very funny.
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And when I first found him,
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I like generally stand up from other
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countries because it's not just the same
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like political hackery.
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And they just have a different view on
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things that my brain certainly appreciates
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that.
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And so I like a lot of British
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comedians.
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I like a lot of Australian or New
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Zealand comedians.
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uh so like finding somebody like that was
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exciting for me and then one or two
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clicks later i'm getting like hitchcliff
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again and i'm getting some of those right
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wing uh we need to reclaim the r
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word and the f slur and um you
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know the anti-pc anti-woke crowd i'm like
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why is this in my feed all of
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a sudden
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And so then I sort of had to
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tug on this thread of like, oh,
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this quirky little weird Australian guy
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that I watched three or four videos of
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is like ultra Catholic and pro-life and
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like has some good humor and then has
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a bunch of really bad takes on quote
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unquote reclaiming certain words because
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he's anti-PC.
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Which again, like,
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the the cognitive dissonance to want to be
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known as a free thinker to be want
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to be known as a critical thinker and
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then to also say i'm a conservative is
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very funny to me it's it's an alert
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that these people don't know what these
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words mean because you're not like
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conservatism is about toeing the line in
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group out group dynamics and like the
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quote unquote good old days
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in which your local corporation could dump
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nuclear waste into your waterways and not
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have to pay any fines.
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In which smog was a major problem in
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most American cities until we started
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putting regulations in.
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The conservative thing, you know,
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the Republican ideology is rich people
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don't pay taxes, which is a hard sell,
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which is why Republicans spend so much
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time doing culture war bullshit.
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And I think where comedians get pulled in
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is they're either in on the grift, right?
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Like Russell Brand,
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former left-wing comedian,
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almost like an anarchist, right?
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Incredibly charged with and accused of
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sexual assault.
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As far as I know,
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those court cases are still playing out in
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the UK,
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which is why he's fled to the US
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and has become a born-again Christian,
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part of the grift,
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and does the right-wing stuff.
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That's a very clear and obvious grift.
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Also,
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that personal benefit of getting to cry
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religious persecution when you just
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sexually assaulted a bunch of people.
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the um someone like gillis is harder and
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again like i just don't know his backstory
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i don't know where he came from i
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didn't watch his special because i was
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turned off by it um again the punchline
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often seemed like punching down on people
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of who have down syndrome or have
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different cognitive uh delays and he
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Because he looks like them,
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because he's related by them,
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he gets to say the joke.
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And again,
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I think that's just a fundamental
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misunderstanding of what people who have
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actually wanted some amount of equity,
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some amount of access to...
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these professional scenes,
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whether it is comedy or it is acting
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or it's arts and entertainment,
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it wasn't like a quota of we need
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a black comedian and we need a brown
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comedian and then we're at our quota.
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It's been like, hey,
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there's systemic things that harm these
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people and make it hard for them to
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be successful.
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So we need to work to overcome those.
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They have done all this work to overcome
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these things.
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We need to grant them access.
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We need to work hard to make sure
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they're not held down and there's no glass
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ceiling here.
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And the fundamental, I think,
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thing with right-wing comedy and why it
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doesn't work is because it gets into this
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idea of, well,
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Black people get to say the N-word.
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And so if I'm related to someone with
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Down syndrome,
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then I get to joke about it.
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And it's not what reclaiming actually
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means.
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You know,
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like reclaiming is saying this is
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something that has a certain meaning to us
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and has been used to keep us down,
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has been used to harm us and hurt
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us,
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and we're not going to do that anymore.
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the r word the f slur have never
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hurt straight mentally capable people
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right so so there can't be a reclamation
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there we can't reclaim that i'm not trying
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to i don't know i said we there
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white people uh white able-bodied cis
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heterosexual men reclaiming these slurs
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that were used to harm marginalized
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communities doesn't work as reclamation
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because they're not their words they were
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the ones who were using it to keep
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the marginalized community down and all
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they've done is launder left-wing idea
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left not even ideology left-wing talking
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points they've just taken the words we use
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And I'm not left wing, I'm leftist, right?
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There isn't an idea as a political party
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in America that fits for me.
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Although I will gladly vote for people who
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think that basic necessities should be
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accounted for.
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Bare minimum, we're really,
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really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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I diverged my own thought process there.
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There's no reclamation available for
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people who are part of the dominant
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culture to take the words back that were
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harmful to a marginalized community.
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You don't get to reclaim your ability to
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use slurs.
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And that's what these comedians have done.
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And again,
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whether or not Shane Gillis did that or
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walked that fine line or was able to
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make that humorous, certainly possible,
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certainly like a subversive,
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subset of comedy and like skilled
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comedians who are capable of doing that so
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like if that's if you're a fan of
00:20:51.044 --> 00:20:54.346
his and that's what he did awesome uh
00:20:54.445 --> 00:20:56.987
but is that what Hinchcliffe is doing is
00:20:57.027 --> 00:20:58.666
that what James McCann is doing is that
00:20:58.686 --> 00:20:59.928
what some of these other people are doing
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like
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no, they just let this more popular,
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perhaps more talented person who could do
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some of this or could execute something
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complicated like a well-done satire and
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then said, well, see,
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that guy who is me,
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who is able-bodied and white and cis and
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male gets to say it,
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so now I get to say it.
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And again, if that wasn't
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the approach that shane gillis wanted to
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take then like he up right like if
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he's leftist then i have misread the
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situation if he is progressive and i have
00:21:38.194 --> 00:21:41.076
misread it then he needed to distance
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himself from the stuff and he just quite
00:21:42.856 --> 00:21:45.497
simply has not and i think that could
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just be personal greed that could just be
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like comedy is a short-lived career and
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you got to make money while you can
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so he's going to cash in and then
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peace out like
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In this late stage capitalistic hellhole,
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it is hard for me to say that's
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a bad strategy.
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Do I at least get it?
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Yeah, again,
00:22:05.298 --> 00:22:06.818
like I don't really have a problem with
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a wealthy person.
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I personally disagree.
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It goes against my ethics,
00:22:11.522 --> 00:22:15.506
but I don't think they're inherently like,
00:22:15.526 --> 00:22:17.548
they're at least being honest if a right
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winger says I'm wealthy and I don't want
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to pay more taxes.
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okay, like again,
00:22:24.278 --> 00:22:25.980
you're a villain in every movie,
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but like at least you're owning it versus
00:22:30.365 --> 00:22:34.828
like crying religious freedom or fiscal
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responsibility or any other thing that is
00:22:37.672 --> 00:22:39.594
like easily disproven as hypocritical.
00:22:41.635 --> 00:22:42.997
I guess it's like better to be like,
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hey, I care about my money,
00:22:44.679 --> 00:22:47.461
but I'm not a racist than like being
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a racist.
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I don't know.
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Again, scraping the bottom of the barrel.
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It is not,
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not great to even having to be having
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to compare those things as like one is
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better than the other.
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They're both bad.
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Personally speaking,
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I can respect the honesty of one over
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the other.
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Um,
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And so again, I mean, it's the,
00:23:12.602 --> 00:23:14.284
where the Overton window shifts is these
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people who do this,
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who are maybe the more socially acceptable
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or not the overtly hateful version,
00:23:21.531 --> 00:23:23.094
not causing outright harm,
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but leading to and enabling other people
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to harm.
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That's how the Overton window shifts,
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right?
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How that window moves for what has become
00:23:32.010 --> 00:23:34.452
culturally acceptable shifts through
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somebody who has a great deal of popular
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sway in the culture.
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Because we know,
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and this is where some of that research
00:23:41.516 --> 00:23:42.997
and the psychology behind this comes in,
00:23:43.376 --> 00:23:45.417
we know people change their minds based on
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how they feel far more often than they
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do on
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logic and a compelling scientific case
00:23:51.809 --> 00:23:53.570
people who are presented evidence that
00:23:53.611 --> 00:23:55.932
they are wrong will often outright reject
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that evidence more often than not it's my
00:23:59.594 --> 00:24:02.414
favorite piece of data and my favorite
00:24:02.434 --> 00:24:04.076
research because when you hear that you
00:24:04.215 --> 00:24:07.517
want to outright reject it right what do
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you mean people who are shown evidence
00:24:09.498 --> 00:24:11.259
clear-cut evidence that they're wrong
00:24:11.298 --> 00:24:14.019
won't change their minds right even even
00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:16.121
our brains are wired to reject that
00:24:17.208 --> 00:24:19.509
research backed piece of information
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because we want the world to sort of
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make sense and we want there to be
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like this logic and we feel that and
00:24:26.992 --> 00:24:28.894
when our feeling is behind a thought then
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that thought carries more weight it
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doesn't make it more accurate it doesn't
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make it more reliable it doesn't make it
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more valid it just makes it feel stronger
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And so we have a harder time letting
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it go.
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And so propagandists and people who want
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to shift the culture,
00:24:45.457 --> 00:24:46.917
people who want to control the cultural
00:24:46.958 --> 00:24:47.397
narrative,
00:24:47.919 --> 00:24:50.840
know that laundering these ideas through
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pop culture is important.
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There's a whole other piece to some of
00:24:56.625 --> 00:24:57.926
these corporate takeovers,
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which I think it's like tracking data is
00:25:01.410 --> 00:25:05.071
the market that the tech autocrats are in.
00:25:05.311 --> 00:25:10.236
The fascists are gathering an immense
00:25:10.336 --> 00:25:13.317
amount of our data to feed to their
00:25:13.397 --> 00:25:13.877
AI.
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And now that might be self-serving.
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:17.540
If I put on my tinfoil hat,
00:25:17.641 --> 00:25:19.942
I think AI is not worth very much.
00:25:20.782 --> 00:25:23.184
and so that bubble's gonna burst and so
00:25:23.305 --> 00:25:24.885
in order to keep making money off of
00:25:24.925 --> 00:25:26.448
it they're collecting vast amounts of data
00:25:26.488 --> 00:25:28.628
and then feeding it to ai and pretending
00:25:28.669 --> 00:25:30.570
like creating sort of the self-sustaining
00:25:30.671 --> 00:25:33.993
ecosystem in which ai has a purpose um
00:25:34.034 --> 00:25:35.634
but no my guess is this all goes
00:25:35.654 --> 00:25:37.977
towards a surveillance police state
00:25:38.017 --> 00:25:42.721
because while uh the overall right-wing
00:25:45.479 --> 00:25:48.121
fascist takeover of politics across the
00:25:48.161 --> 00:25:50.602
world continues to march on it keeps
00:25:50.662 --> 00:25:52.823
falling on its face because fascism is not
00:25:52.843 --> 00:25:54.782
a sustainable ideology and is not a way
00:25:54.823 --> 00:25:56.703
to build a civilization much less a
00:25:56.763 --> 00:25:59.865
society that can last for very long and
00:25:59.925 --> 00:26:04.468
yet because we continue to not disengage
00:26:04.488 --> 00:26:08.690
from capitalism as a system for how to
00:26:08.710 --> 00:26:10.190
build our civilizations we keep having
00:26:10.210 --> 00:26:12.230
fascist rise because capitalism and
00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:14.092
fascism work well together
00:26:15.398 --> 00:26:20.623
so as long as uh autocracies and fascism
00:26:20.843 --> 00:26:25.326
and christian um no what's the uh
00:26:25.346 --> 00:26:27.548
theocrats are aligned with a starting
00:26:27.907 --> 00:26:30.990
point that is a capitalist society we're
00:26:31.010 --> 00:26:32.491
just gonna keep seeing this repeat and
00:26:32.551 --> 00:26:33.653
then we're gonna see it like crash and
00:26:33.673 --> 00:26:34.952
burn and then the adults in the room
00:26:34.972 --> 00:26:36.074
are gonna have to try and fix it
00:26:36.134 --> 00:26:37.515
and then when it doesn't get fixed enough
00:26:38.296 --> 00:26:40.678
stupid people are gonna vote for fascists
00:26:40.758 --> 00:26:40.978
again
00:26:42.180 --> 00:26:43.560
Because, again, our brains,
00:26:43.621 --> 00:26:44.521
when it is presented,
00:26:45.422 --> 00:26:46.423
stupid people sounds mean.
00:26:50.226 --> 00:26:50.846
It is mean.
00:26:52.366 --> 00:26:56.410
And some of it's accurate.
00:26:58.070 --> 00:27:00.232
Some of this is people who are not
00:27:00.413 --> 00:27:03.214
able or willing or interested in engaging
00:27:03.234 --> 00:27:04.494
with any sort of critical thinking.
00:27:05.016 --> 00:27:05.855
Some of it is people who are just
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not capable of that.
00:27:07.931 --> 00:27:09.271
But there is a lot of this that
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is propaganda,
00:27:10.332 --> 00:27:14.775
and we don't even realize how much we're
00:27:14.795 --> 00:27:17.016
being propagandized on a regular basis
00:27:17.115 --> 00:27:18.777
until we can zoom out and see how
00:27:18.896 --> 00:27:20.176
often we're on our phones,
00:27:20.518 --> 00:27:22.759
how much we have a screen in front
00:27:22.778 --> 00:27:23.138
of us,
00:27:23.298 --> 00:27:28.662
and how the screens have enabled mass
00:27:28.701 --> 00:27:29.481
manipulation,
00:27:29.561 --> 00:27:32.344
mass thought control on a level that
00:27:32.384 --> 00:27:34.223
previously hasn't been particularly
00:27:34.305 --> 00:27:34.845
available.
00:27:35.874 --> 00:27:37.674
I think it used to be easier to
00:27:37.714 --> 00:27:41.836
control the information that got out and,
00:27:42.237 --> 00:27:45.817
um, you know, misinformation,
00:27:45.938 --> 00:27:47.538
a lie spreads faster than the truth.
00:27:48.358 --> 00:27:50.720
Um, that's like pre technology idiom,
00:27:50.819 --> 00:27:51.079
right?
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.201
Like that's, there's this idea that it,
00:27:53.340 --> 00:27:55.862
it is easier to do the, uh,
00:27:56.501 --> 00:27:58.282
what a lot of right wing talking heads,
00:27:58.303 --> 00:28:00.003
what Donald Trump did very successfully,
00:28:00.044 --> 00:28:01.624
which is like the fire hose of lies
00:28:01.644 --> 00:28:03.085
because it takes longer.
00:28:03.884 --> 00:28:05.605
to disprove a lie than it does to
00:28:05.645 --> 00:28:06.286
state the lie.
00:28:06.986 --> 00:28:10.086
And so misinformation and propaganda in
00:28:10.146 --> 00:28:12.988
our current media spheres has far outpaced
00:28:13.228 --> 00:28:14.567
any level of regulation.
00:28:15.588 --> 00:28:17.449
And the people who are investing heavily
00:28:17.709 --> 00:28:20.971
in an ideology that has no backbone other
00:28:20.990 --> 00:28:22.931
than rich people don't get taxed.
00:28:24.251 --> 00:28:26.011
And like that in-group out-group dynamic
00:28:26.271 --> 00:28:28.032
is paying to make sure that rich people
00:28:28.073 --> 00:28:30.153
are in the in-group and then paying to
00:28:30.173 --> 00:28:31.834
make sure that things don't get regulated.
00:28:32.107 --> 00:28:32.307
Again,
00:28:32.347 --> 00:28:33.990
like project twenty twenty five included a
00:28:34.049 --> 00:28:36.111
lot of protections of AI against state
00:28:36.151 --> 00:28:37.112
level regulations,
00:28:37.833 --> 00:28:39.954
which is the problem because the data we
00:28:39.974 --> 00:28:41.496
have on AI is it is bad for
00:28:41.536 --> 00:28:42.215
the environment.
00:28:42.376 --> 00:28:44.577
And like it's this huge bubble that's
00:28:44.637 --> 00:28:47.119
propping up a vast part of our economy
00:28:47.641 --> 00:28:49.321
when everything else in our economy sucks
00:28:49.362 --> 00:28:49.702
right now.
00:28:49.962 --> 00:28:51.943
So again, like.
00:28:53.340 --> 00:28:54.821
I want to do an episode about stand
00:28:54.862 --> 00:28:57.463
up comedians and why they're bad for our
00:28:57.503 --> 00:28:58.325
mental health.
00:28:59.486 --> 00:29:01.787
The right wing rabbit hole that is that.
00:29:01.886 --> 00:29:03.808
And again, like this is not new.
00:29:03.868 --> 00:29:05.470
I've talked about Jordan Peterson and I've
00:29:05.490 --> 00:29:07.050
talked about, you know,
00:29:07.131 --> 00:29:08.592
in the nineties it was Dr.
00:29:08.612 --> 00:29:10.713
Phil and how Oprah platformed a bunch of
00:29:10.733 --> 00:29:11.673
really harmful people.
00:29:12.835 --> 00:29:14.636
these are not like new ideas this is
00:29:14.656 --> 00:29:16.778
just me looking at well here's this other
00:29:16.878 --> 00:29:19.320
avenue because again it takes multiple
00:29:19.381 --> 00:29:21.563
avenues not every right winger is
00:29:21.603 --> 00:29:23.345
listening to ben shapiro a bunch of right
00:29:23.365 --> 00:29:25.067
wingers are anti-semites so they would
00:29:25.086 --> 00:29:30.652
never listen to ben shapiro it's a big
00:29:30.711 --> 00:29:32.733
tent over on the right wing all those
00:29:32.773 --> 00:29:34.174
people who hate other people
00:29:35.071 --> 00:29:35.791
Um, no, it's,
00:29:35.852 --> 00:29:38.653
it's a vapid ideology for something that
00:29:38.673 --> 00:29:40.113
is based purely on ending group out group
00:29:40.153 --> 00:29:41.093
dynamic is it,
00:29:41.272 --> 00:29:42.813
it always requires an out group.
00:29:42.833 --> 00:29:45.594
And so, you know,
00:29:45.614 --> 00:29:46.933
we're seeing it eat itself.
00:29:46.993 --> 00:29:47.213
Twenty,
00:29:47.233 --> 00:29:49.013
twenty six will be an interesting year
00:29:49.253 --> 00:29:50.275
from that perspective.
00:29:50.355 --> 00:29:50.714
But like,
00:29:50.795 --> 00:29:52.914
I think the damage being done and that
00:29:52.934 --> 00:29:55.096
will continue to be done through the Joe
00:29:55.155 --> 00:29:57.615
Rogan's like Rogan's old, right.
00:29:57.675 --> 00:29:59.175
Rogan's been around for a while and we've
00:29:59.195 --> 00:30:00.817
seen him move further and further to the
00:30:00.856 --> 00:30:01.096
right.
00:30:01.436 --> 00:30:02.017
Shane Gillis,
00:30:02.037 --> 00:30:03.576
I think is newer and more popular.
00:30:04.198 --> 00:30:04.518
And like,
00:30:04.917 --> 00:30:07.679
I do think he's on the right as
00:30:07.778 --> 00:30:10.339
in like right-wing side of things because
00:30:10.380 --> 00:30:13.241
he hasn't put any sort of standard of
00:30:13.301 --> 00:30:15.162
behavior up for who he will or won't
00:30:15.221 --> 00:30:16.103
associate with.
00:30:17.103 --> 00:30:20.625
And he certainly platforms some people who
00:30:20.664 --> 00:30:21.984
have a lot more hateful and a lot
00:30:22.005 --> 00:30:24.026
more harmful ideologies than he himself
00:30:24.066 --> 00:30:25.686
seems to at least be publicly willing to
00:30:25.747 --> 00:30:26.086
state.
00:30:27.186 --> 00:30:29.188
So, you know,
00:30:33.268 --> 00:30:33.827
We'll see.
00:30:33.867 --> 00:30:39.029
And I still sort of maintain that comedy
00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:44.332
as a art form leans left.
00:30:44.951 --> 00:30:47.393
I do think being more inclusive,
00:30:47.413 --> 00:30:48.933
being more relatable to more people,
00:30:48.993 --> 00:30:51.233
having a wider perspective through lived
00:30:51.294 --> 00:30:51.954
experience,
00:30:52.015 --> 00:30:53.315
engaging with more different types of
00:30:53.375 --> 00:30:56.675
people is always going to be funnier and
00:30:56.695 --> 00:30:58.817
make you more relatable.
00:30:58.856 --> 00:31:01.157
Like all these comedians who do crowd
00:31:01.218 --> 00:31:01.498
work,
00:31:02.555 --> 00:31:04.796
is a very popular online form of comedy
00:31:04.855 --> 00:31:05.375
right now,
00:31:05.416 --> 00:31:07.257
is the clips that engage with crowd work.
00:31:08.097 --> 00:31:11.740
If you're right-wing, red-pilled,
00:31:12.779 --> 00:31:14.221
perpetually online,
00:31:14.260 --> 00:31:16.442
somebody who spent time on Forchan,
00:31:16.981 --> 00:31:18.702
you're not going to do crowd work well
00:31:18.722 --> 00:31:20.624
because you don't talk or think like the
00:31:20.683 --> 00:31:21.403
average person.
00:31:21.463 --> 00:31:24.945
You are perpetually online listening to
00:31:25.365 --> 00:31:26.727
weird talking points.
00:31:28.595 --> 00:31:30.015
um so again i think some of that
00:31:30.194 --> 00:31:31.756
is like i think committee comedians
00:31:31.816 --> 00:31:33.997
generally are quick-witted and need to be
00:31:34.758 --> 00:31:36.778
for various reasons and i think it's it's
00:31:36.818 --> 00:31:38.640
going to be a space that is predominantly
00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.500
left-leaning and have a lot of those
00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:45.083
voices and we've watched a continual carve
00:31:45.182 --> 00:31:45.884
out of
00:31:46.683 --> 00:31:49.845
right-wing talking points in there overtly
00:31:49.924 --> 00:31:52.326
right-wing comedians don't sell out
00:31:52.385 --> 00:31:54.566
stadiums that's not the ticket to like
00:31:54.645 --> 00:31:57.747
mainstream comedic success but does it
00:31:57.787 --> 00:31:59.606
create a space where you can carve out
00:31:59.747 --> 00:32:02.208
a capitalistic living can you make money
00:32:02.347 --> 00:32:04.929
off of being a right-wing talking head
00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:07.869
absolutely like ben shapiro is a failed
00:32:07.930 --> 00:32:09.789
movie writer candace owens is a failed
00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:12.111
actress a lot of those people got their
00:32:12.151 --> 00:32:13.211
start in not
00:32:13.584 --> 00:32:16.567
right-wing politics but in media and when
00:32:16.646 --> 00:32:19.388
they failed they took their bitterness and
00:32:19.429 --> 00:32:24.472
became a political influencer i don't know
00:32:24.553 --> 00:32:29.978
talking head so it's it's like maddening
00:32:30.097 --> 00:32:32.819
and fascinating it's a morbid sort of
00:32:33.320 --> 00:32:36.522
watch i i detest when my algorithm gets
00:32:36.563 --> 00:32:38.984
screwed up because it is something that
00:32:39.026 --> 00:32:41.366
like i try and be conscious of and
00:32:41.647 --> 00:32:41.847
um
00:32:42.950 --> 00:32:46.490
As a therapist for, gosh, January will be,
00:32:46.530 --> 00:32:48.632
seventeen years I've been seeing clients.
00:32:50.573 --> 00:32:51.593
As a therapist,
00:32:51.613 --> 00:32:53.193
I've always had to work hard to avoid
00:32:53.253 --> 00:32:54.294
the Jordan Peterson.
00:32:54.874 --> 00:32:57.875
Bad therapy takes the bad therapists who
00:32:57.954 --> 00:32:59.395
are tremendously popular,
00:32:59.455 --> 00:33:02.957
but fucking morons and drive me crazy.
00:33:03.817 --> 00:33:05.038
So it's been a thing I've really had
00:33:05.077 --> 00:33:07.397
to cultivate over time and been careful
00:33:07.438 --> 00:33:07.699
about.
00:33:09.280 --> 00:33:11.521
Whenever like a comedian slips in and then
00:33:11.582 --> 00:33:13.103
getting all these Kill Tony clips,
00:33:13.143 --> 00:33:15.503
it's very irritating and takes a while to
00:33:16.144 --> 00:33:17.845
clean that algorithm back up.
00:33:20.227 --> 00:33:21.707
So, you know,
00:33:23.627 --> 00:33:25.509
take a weekend and clean your algorithm
00:33:25.568 --> 00:33:25.749
up.
00:33:27.210 --> 00:33:30.090
Go through and thumbs down a bunch of
00:33:30.172 --> 00:33:30.612
stuff.
00:33:31.152 --> 00:33:32.932
Click the little settings button that
00:33:32.972 --> 00:33:34.394
shows that you're not interested in
00:33:34.433 --> 00:33:34.773
things.
00:33:36.703 --> 00:33:38.689
The social media I'm on the most is
00:33:38.749 --> 00:33:42.116
probably Reddit.
00:33:42.277 --> 00:33:43.599
I'm giving everybody some time to be
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:44.040
shocked.
00:33:46.273 --> 00:33:48.675
Not because it's more left-leaning than
00:33:48.695 --> 00:33:49.196
the other ones,
00:33:49.237 --> 00:33:51.278
but simply because you don't need to have
00:33:51.318 --> 00:33:52.799
an account and you don't need to engage
00:33:52.819 --> 00:33:54.000
with anything to be on Reddit.
00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:55.823
And so it's the least social of the
00:33:55.863 --> 00:33:56.663
social medias,
00:33:57.324 --> 00:34:00.026
which my neurodivergent introverted brain
00:34:00.105 --> 00:34:00.846
likes the most,
00:34:00.967 --> 00:34:03.469
that I don't need to engage with anything.
00:34:03.828 --> 00:34:04.769
Don't even need to log in.
00:34:05.530 --> 00:34:06.632
Sounds great.
00:34:06.692 --> 00:34:08.873
Sign me up for that in the sense
00:34:08.893 --> 00:34:10.394
that I will participate without actually
00:34:10.434 --> 00:34:10.855
signing up.
00:34:14.289 --> 00:34:15.550
So, yeah.
00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:16.110
Yeah.
00:34:16.670 --> 00:34:19.072
And, you know, maybe in twenty twenty six,
00:34:19.132 --> 00:34:21.134
we'll have a guest on who can talk
00:34:21.153 --> 00:34:22.795
about Internet privacy and how that's
00:34:22.835 --> 00:34:24.737
probably a good thing to invest in for
00:34:24.836 --> 00:34:26.177
our futures, because.
00:34:27.858 --> 00:34:29.820
We are under a pretty aggressive
00:34:29.860 --> 00:34:32.023
surveillance state and it is going to keep
00:34:32.083 --> 00:34:33.324
getting worse.
00:34:37.086 --> 00:34:38.688
I don't think this will be the last
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episode of the year.
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I think this will be the second to
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last episode of the year.
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So we're not ending on this note.
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Hooray.
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Joy, joy.
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We will be back with new episodes and
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interviewing guests.
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And who knows what else?
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Twenty twenty six holds for your therapist
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needs therapy.
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But we will not just be sad.
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Jeremy venting about stupid bullshit that
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he wished didn't exist.
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That's not the new format of the podcast.
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That's just.
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Not scheduling ahead for December and not
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wanting to hassle people or deal with my
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own schedule being crazy.
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So thanks for tuning in again this week.
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We'll get back to regularly programmed,
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regularly scheduled programming?
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Regularly.
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You know,
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that thing they used to say on TV
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when there were interruptions.
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I'm old.
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I don't look it.
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Sorry,
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I couldn't help but sneak in a Lord
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of the Rings quote there.
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Thank you for joining me again this week.
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We'll be back next week with another new
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episode.
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Take care, everybody.
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Peace.