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Your Therapist Needs Therapy 131 - Spare the Rod, Fund the Police
This week Jeremy looks at how evangelical, Dobson-style parenting normalizes obedience, fear, and punishment which leads into pro-cop, pro-ICE “law and order” politics. What looks like a contradiction between “don’t tread on me” freedom rhetoric and support for violent state power is actually a coherent system where freedom is reserved for the obedient and force is used to manage everyone else. Jeremy also briefly goes on tangents regarding how the church promotes fragile masculinity and cognitive biases. F*ck ICE. ACAB.
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hello and welcome to another edition of
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your therapist needs therapy where every
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therapist i know is like the we don't
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know how to fix any of this or
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even help we weren't taught how to do
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crumbling society everything's on fire all
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at once
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I'm your host, Jeremy Schumacher,
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licensed marriage family therapist.
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I'm handling,
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I'm handling twenty twenty six really
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well.
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No, honestly,
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I feel like a lot of how I've
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set up my practice and my life in
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general is to be able to get through
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moments like this.
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So I am personally well resourced while.
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Therefore,
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being helpful to the people who need who
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need it,
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which is a lot of people right now.
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Shit's bad.
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And let's talk about that.
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Let's talk about why.
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Let's talk about how shit got so bad.
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Where does all of this come from?
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While it would be easy to point out
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all of the ways in which the United
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States is the state,
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the apparatus of the state in the United
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States is doing a bunch of horrific shit.
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Because, you know,
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going door to door is illegal with a
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police force.
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That's just an occupying army.
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It goes against the Fourth Amendment.
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How not listening to contradicting police
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orders does not mean you need to die.
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How shooting someone for
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officer-created...
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Safety issues is not a death sentence.
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How cops do not get to be executioners.
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Anybody who's listened to anything I put
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out for very long hears all cops are
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bastards and that the state as an entity
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is not one that is built on support.
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Capitalism cannot support health and
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wellness.
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so none of this is new uh i
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think what i want to talk about today
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is the general sort of framework on why
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white christians particularly evangelicals
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remain staunchly supportive of the
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republican party um why
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Police violence is not a deal breaker for
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them.
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Neither is protecting pedophiles.
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But that's a topic for another day.
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Obviously,
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the church and pedophilia run a long time,
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long history of protecting pedophiles.
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I've talked about it before.
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I talked about it with talking about Mike
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Johnson specifically.
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And why he, as a Christian leader,
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is very comfortable protecting Donald
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Trump,
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because that's what churches do is they
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protect pedophiles.
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But let's look at sort of the average,
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you know,
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think in terms of the average white
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evangelical voter.
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Why,
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even when someone who's murdered is a
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white person.
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I'm not laughing because it's funny.
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I'm laughing because it's infuriating that
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it takes that for people to care still
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in twenty twenty six when ICE has
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murdered.
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Thirty over thirty people in the past few
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months, how, you know,
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the eighty thousand people they have
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locked up.
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over seventy five percent of them are not
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criminals have no criminal record have no
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reason to be detained other than racism
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why white people especially white
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christians are still okay with this how
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does that make any sense for those of
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us who have critical thinking skills and
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functional brains and want to pull our
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hair out and scream at the older
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generation and the white neighbors who
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still go to church
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um people who have back the blue out
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on their you know their bumper stickers i
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was driving the other day this is the
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first time i've seen this out in the
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wild because i'm in milwaukee which is you
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know blue um is an urban location which
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means it leans blue it is it's blue
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it's deeply democratic and again like the
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democrats and all this this isn't this
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isn't pro them the state
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The federal apparatus is a problem.
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Obama expanded ICE, right?
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Like this is not,
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this is not fuck Republicans,
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woohoo Democrats.
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This is fuck everybody who's built this
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apparatus.
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But why white Christians do lean
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Republicans and have been Donald Trump's
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consistent voting base,
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eighty percent of them voted for Trump
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three times in a row.
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You know,
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ninety percent of them voted for Trump.
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two times in a row so white evangelicals
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and the police state you know and white
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evangelicals as somebody who's like overly
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well uh who someone who's far too
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knowledgeable about white supremacy and
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the church i can i can talk to
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you all day long about the christian
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identity movement in the nineteen thirties
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forties and fifties and how that is the
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mega proto mega movement
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And, you know,
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we should have all seen this coming.
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And the fact that no one talked about
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it in the media was, again,
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a real sign of the privilege that religion
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has here in America.
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But I think there's this sort of,
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there's this overlap that doesn't get
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talked about a ton,
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which is like the Waco crowd.
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Was it, it was the one in Oregon,
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Ruby Ridge or not Oregon, Idaho, you know,
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Uh, the, the,
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the precursor to Waco where the federal
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government, uh,
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gotten a standoff with a white supremacist
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and then, uh, you know,
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a shootout happened and that inspired
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Timothy McVeigh, uh,
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to go and not that McVeigh wasn't already
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deeply in the neo-Nazi movement,
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but that was sort of the thing.
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Um,
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That led to Waco and then Waco inspired
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McVeigh for the Oklahoma City Bionomy.
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So like, again,
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this idea that the freedom loving,
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don't tread on me,
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good old Christian boys and girls are
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anti-government,
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I think has always been a myth.
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The don't tread on me crowd has always
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been bootlickers, right?
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Like don't tread on me is I'll tread
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on other people,
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don't you dare tread on me.
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um it's it's not freedom for everyone it's
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just freedom for themselves um but where
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does it sort of fit into the evangelical
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crowd and why isn't a murder in execution
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that we get to watch in high def
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because of technology now why isn't that a
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deal breaker still for a ton of christians
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and and i think some will leave right
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because they're white
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And this was a white woman.
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But the sort of anti-government,
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pro-freedom,
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religious freedom crowd follows a religion
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that is pro-force.
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That is,
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authority is moral by virtue of it being
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authority.
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And so...
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It's for punishment that if something bad
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happens, do you deserve it?
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It wants to mete out that punishment and
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wants to be in control of the punishment.
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And it wants to establish an authority
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that dictates right and wrong based on
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whether or not you follow the authority.
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And so that's evangelical James Dobson's
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theology in a nutshell, right?
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Like James Dobson taught that you should
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beat your children until they submit to
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you.
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He also thought that that was okay to
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do to his dogs because he was an
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awful human being.
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And so the idea that somebody would,
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you know, be given a,
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be told to do something,
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be complying and still get shot.
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would be the idea that like right people
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who are raised by their parents to do
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something didn't do the thing and then
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when they started doing the thing still
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got spanked still got a whooping like
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those are the people who are still going
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to think that like these behaviors are
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okay they're the people who are going to
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think that anything that isn't overt
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compliance the first time is
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immoral is wrong and therefore deserves to
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be punished and that whatever the
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punishment is is justified based on
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something bad something wrong happened
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right and so the idea that you didn't
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you didn't follow a direct order leads to
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a death sentence is okay in their mind
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because again their morality is based on
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this idea of not being a true believer
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leads to eternal punishment
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which again is unethical in any morality
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other than brainwashed religion, right?
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Like a infinite punishment for a finite
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crime is immoral.
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But if you're raised on that idea,
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you're normalized that idea,
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you're desensitized to that idea,
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you're indoctrinated to even think that
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that idea is a good one,
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then defending ICE,
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defending the police state seems to get a
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little easier because you've been so
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brainwashed to already believe this.
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And again, I fluctuate between,
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I struggle fluctuating between these
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people are fucking morons and trying to
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explain things to them isn't worth our
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time.
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and the reality that social change takes
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time and um for movements to grow and
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expand you need to welcome new people in
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wherever they're at i'm not the person for
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that right like i know that about myself
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um i can be sometimes mostly in the
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therapy office which is very structured
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not here being myself um
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yeah i mean a lot of this goes
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a lot of this goes back to white
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supremacy and again if you want to talk
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about christianity in the united states
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you can't not talk about white supremacy i
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mean obviously lots of christians do a lot
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a lot of christians talk about
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christianity and they don't bring up the
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white supremacy um but it's going full
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mask off you know we're seeing pastors
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tweet about and like again pastors who are
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still tweeting if you're using x then
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you're like pro child porn
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You can be like, I'm not,
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I need it for my sports clips.
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But like, whatever,
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then child sexual abuse material and its
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production isn't a deal breaker for you.
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Which again,
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goes hand to hand with the church,
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whatever.
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But Dobson, you know,
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Dobson is the one who sort of formalized
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and tried to pretend to be an academic.
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He wasn't.
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uh who tried to to bring the scholarship
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to see it's good to abuse children that
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authority is moral resistance is sinful
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pain is the thing that corrects that pain
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punishment physical abuse is the
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corrective measure to resistance which is
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sinful and again it never questions
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The authority,
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the parent gives the child something bad
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to do.
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The child talks back or questions that
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they get beat.
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Like that was Dobson's thing.
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Dobson in his writing talks about not
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always having the answers,
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not knowing how to do everything,
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but you can't show any of that to
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your kid.
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You have to project all of this over
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confidence and then like beat them into
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submission, whether you're right or wrong.
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Like again, it's crazy.
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Like that's such a wild premise to not
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only think,
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but then to write and then spend an
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entire career defending.
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Which again, a terrible person.
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And so it solidifies what the church is
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really built on, which is an in-group,
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out-group dynamic.
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But that love is conditional on
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compliance.
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And again,
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like that's what the police state is built
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on,
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that like you will be treated one way
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if you comply.
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We see that isn't true constantly in the
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police state because it's fascistic.
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It's authoritarian by nature here in
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America.
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And so like,
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there's no way where it can't end there.
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I think this is what a lot of
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people saw coming when the religious right
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lined up behind Trump was like, oh,
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you know,
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he sees Trump sees these religious zealots
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as being easy to control.
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And he was right.
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And the religious folks saw Trump as being
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easy to control.
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They've gotten a lot of wins through that,
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um,
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yeah i mean it's it's and then people
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die is the eventual outcome of this
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because you can't say authority is moral
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in and of itself and therefore any
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questioning is immoral and deserves
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punishment without eventually people are
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going to die obviously um and so like
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rebellion by nature is wrong
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If authority is moral,
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then obedience is the way to practice
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morality and rebellion or questioning is a
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failure,
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a moral failure that deserves punishment.
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Bad behavior isn't circumstantial.
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It's not contextual.
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It isn't something that is to be
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understood or learned from.
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It is just to be punished.
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Right.
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The Dobson method of parenting wasn't
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about teaching your children to be better
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next time.
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It wasn't learn from your mistakes.
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It was beat it out of them until
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they submit all of the time.
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And so that's that's the police state.
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Right.
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When we see the day after a murder
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filmed by an ICE officer.
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then the next day people are out
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protesting and they're recording ice
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officers and those people are saying
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aren't you guys going to learn it's like
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that's the james dobson thing right that's
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james dobson's parenting style is if you
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do it again you're going to get beat
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again
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It's not,
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let's look and reflect on what we did.
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Dobson never says,
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if you beat your kid too hard,
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reflect on that and learn from it.
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Don't let them know that it bothers you.
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Don't show any weakness was his whole
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thing.
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And so punishment isn't a last resort.
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And we see this with policing in America
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everywhere.
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reaching for your gun isn't the last thing
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they do they've not been trained in
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de-escalation techniques and like these
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are cops cops in america are some of
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the least trained professionals in any
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quote-unquote professional field uh but at
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any police force in at least like the
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thirty four thirty five sort of countries
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that we consider the first world which
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like again not great framing i'm aware um
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But of the countries that we compare these
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statistics to,
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we have the least trained police force and
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the police force with the largest budgets
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and the most military-grade weaponry in
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the world.
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And again,
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the police were never going to stand up
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to ICE.
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They're the same thing.
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The military was never going to stand up
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to illegal orders to kill Venezuelans.
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It's the same function.
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What a just...
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dumpster fire and again all of these
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things going on I mean yes there's
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American imperialism and yes there's just
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the racism inherent in Marco Rubio and
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Stephen Miller and Donald Trump obviously
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um but but so much of this is
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is to deflect from the pedophile in chief
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Donald Trump being in the Epstein files
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right like
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They're out there shooting people so that
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we don't hold accountable the child
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abuser.
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And if that's not a good representation of
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what the church stands for and why the
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religious right and the political right
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worked out so well together,
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I don't know what is.
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And it all goes back to protecting a
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pedophile, a child abuser.
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Where was I?
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I did chart out some talking points
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because I knew I would want to rant
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and rave because I think that is the
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same response right now.
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Um,
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so obedience and rebellious obedience is
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moral because authority is moral and
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rebellious is,
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is wrong and deserves punishment.
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And so again, like that punishment,
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that reaching for your gun first is,
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is the point because rebellion questioning
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dissidence is punishable.
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not only is it allowable to be punished
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but it is required to be punished in
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this mindset and so so these people who
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you know go to target and get their
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starbucks on the way to church or like
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have their coffee shop in their giant mega
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church who are good christians quote
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unquote for those of you listening to the
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podcast uh they are the ones who are
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going to support state sanctioned violence
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and state state sanctioned killing
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because they think it is moral that if
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you are disobedient,
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you can be and should be punished.
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And that punishment has no limitation.
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And so whether that's on the family level
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of a parent abusing a child or that's
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on the church level of disfellowshipping
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or abusing someone who's leaving the
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church or someone who's still in the
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church but isn't following the rules
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specifically.
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Lots of folks that I work with with
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religious trauma,
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lots of people who speak out against the
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church.
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The harm that the church does,
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our church employees are still in the
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flock.
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And if they question the authority
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structure of their pastor or their elders
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or whatever that dynamic is,
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then they're punished.
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And again,
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so it's the same model in the family
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unit, in the church unit,
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and now we're seeing on the nation scale.
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Um, and it's,
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it's Christianity here in America and it's
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other religious fundamentalism in other
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countries.
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Again, um, this isn't unique.
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The thing that's unique is the gun
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violence in America.
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Um, but so,
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so the idea of like freedom,
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religious freedom states rights crowd when
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it comes to racism,
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but not when it comes to literally any
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other human rights, um,
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Freedom is only for those who are
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considered to be righteous, right?
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Their compliance is really what it's
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about.
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They are in the in-group and they follow
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the rules that keeps them in the in-group
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and that lets them be free.
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Free to be in the in-group, right?
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Free to be in that privileged status.
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Free from the punishment that those who
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are noncompliant are going to be
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receiving.
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And so this is where the in-group,
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out-group dynamic comes in and what the
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church has allowed and just never
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corrected or spoke out about because it's
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what the church is based on.
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The church was never going to be a
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moral fixer in these times because the
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church also needs outgroups.
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They need, the world is sinful,
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your flesh is sinful, the devil is sinful,
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right?
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And so that is the immigrants,
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the protesters, the queer folks,
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people who use pronouns,
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Right.
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Poor people.
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We're seeing all the demonization of
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marginalized communities by the state,
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justifying, you know,
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Fox News trotted out the talking point.
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She had pronouns in her profile.
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Therefore, was the unspoken part.
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She deserved to die,
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which again is like ours raised by English
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teachers.
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Like that's a wild,
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wild thing to act like we can't use
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pronouns.
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It's such a like American imperialist
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idea.
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so much privilege in the idea that like
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using your pronouns is somehow a liberal
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idea like it just shows how few people
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have traveled internationally or have
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interactions with people who are from
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other cultures because pronouns are
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awesome for not just the lgbtq plus
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community but for anybody who works
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internationally and other cultures have
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other naming conventions than we do you
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morons being racist is stupid and
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Being a bigot is based on cognitive biases
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that are easy to pull apart if you're
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not a dumbass.
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I get exhausted talking about these things
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because so much of it is cognitive bias
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and so much of it is easily disprovable.
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And people just bury their heads in the
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sand because they don't want to.
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Because again, this in-group,
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out-group dynamic is so built in.
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And so again,
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where we get to sort of landing is
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the state is the parent spanking the
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naughty kid,
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which is anybody who's not allowing the
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state to do whatever the state wants.
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And the language of the state is violence.
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And again,
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then responding in kind is also like your
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fault, right?
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If a kid were to
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you know,
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wrestle their parent who's trying to spank
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them.
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Like, no, no, no,
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that's not the Dobson style.
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That's not Christian punishment.
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That's not quote unquote loving.
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It is you sit and take your punishment
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because you deserve it, right?
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And so that's deeply seated in sort of
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where we're at.
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We're watching protests in other
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countries.
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We're seeing, you know,
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protests in Iran is destruction of
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property, is burning cars,
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disrupting the way that the state wants it
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to go.
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And here in America,
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we still have a lot of that evangelical,
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that puritanical sort of approach of like,
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but if we act out,
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then we justify them taking the behaviors
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that they're already taking.
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The idea that like corporate headquarters
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are not destroyed right now for giving
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money to Trump is wild.
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Like, I don't know.
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in the sense as a recorded individual that
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I'm not advocating for violence.
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Like the state is being violent.
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The state's always been violent.
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The state is ramping up its violence.
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So, you know,
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logically safe assumption would be at some
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point violence in return.
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Again, like we're owned by capitalists.
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And so the capital is where the violence
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could
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flow, hypothetically speaking.
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I know we all hate our local data
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centers.
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And if we're capturing presidents of
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countries for breaking laws, again,
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the American system,
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didn't write this point down but i'm going
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to talk about it off the cuff here
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uh we're so far gone and and again
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why the religious community was so
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appealing to the political right is
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because religious folks are practiced at
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not thinking logically religious folks are
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practiced at not requiring evidence
00:24:08.976 --> 00:24:12.198
specifically doing things that go against
00:24:12.298 --> 00:24:14.619
evidence that go against the scientific
00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:17.221
method and so if you're if you're a
00:24:17.261 --> 00:24:19.304
fascistic movement if you're moving
00:24:19.344 --> 00:24:20.644
towards authoritarianism
00:24:21.769 --> 00:24:22.549
To be able to say,
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that's not what happened.
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Just listen to me.
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I'm the authority.
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Ignore what you saw, what you know,
00:24:28.538 --> 00:24:30.101
what is provable.
00:24:32.483 --> 00:24:33.424
Christians are great for that.
00:24:33.846 --> 00:24:35.327
Religious fundamentalists are great for
00:24:35.367 --> 00:24:37.351
that because they're already practiced at
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that.
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And again, like, so the Dobson method,
00:24:45.690 --> 00:24:47.270
again, the church method,
00:24:47.290 --> 00:24:48.652
because Dobson didn't come up with this.
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He just formalized a lot of it and
00:24:50.173 --> 00:24:51.314
popularized a lot of it,
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which is what we millennials were raised
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under.
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And then what we're dealing with in the
00:24:58.198 --> 00:24:59.459
older generation, who again,
00:24:59.479 --> 00:25:02.060
still leans Republican and supports Trump
00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:02.801
more than not.
00:25:04.962 --> 00:25:06.744
That authority is always hierarchical,
00:25:07.244 --> 00:25:07.444
right?
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And so that seems obvious, I think.
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But I'm making that point because it flows
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down up.
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Like I'm saying,
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the kid who gets spanked can't lash out
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at their parent.
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That makes the punishment worse.
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The state can do violence down.
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The state being at the top of the
00:25:24.719 --> 00:25:27.080
hierarchy can do violence down.
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But to do violence up is, again,
00:25:29.644 --> 00:25:30.724
somehow immoral.
00:25:31.310 --> 00:25:34.272
it's extra wrong that protesters are
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violent but the police are inherently
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violent and they get to be because they're
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in a position of authority and so it's
00:25:41.136 --> 00:25:44.699
submission is upward um and domination
00:25:44.719 --> 00:25:47.259
flows down punishment flows down and and
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.162
that hierarchical model is again like made
00:25:50.241 --> 00:25:53.104
up that's it's not based on anything but
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if you have enough people who have been
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trained and indoctrinated in it and follow
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it along
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That's where that goes.
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And again,
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that's what the police in America have
00:26:01.218 --> 00:26:01.637
always been.
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The police in America started as a force
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to catch runaway slaves.
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That's the history of policing in America.
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And so we have white supremacy in the
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church and we have white supremacy in
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policing.
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And of course,
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there's no pushback from either of those
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groups then when there's a state
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sanctioned execution.
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again here in america we're like oh the
00:26:27.931 --> 00:26:29.912
state like minnesota might go after this
00:26:30.011 --> 00:26:31.853
ice officer they're being far too tepid
00:26:31.873 --> 00:26:35.554
about it um because they would need to
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otherwise you get a federal pardon it
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would need to be states but like i'm
00:26:38.095 --> 00:26:39.515
not speaking the state as the state of
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minnesota i'm speaking the state of the
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government the the federal we call it
00:26:43.757 --> 00:26:46.958
federal branch but like um not branch but
00:26:46.998 --> 00:26:48.377
we call it the federal government but like
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that's what the state is the united states
00:26:50.358 --> 00:26:52.298
of america that's the state that i keep
00:26:52.338 --> 00:26:54.039
talking about here um
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And in this hierarchy in Christianity,
00:26:57.278 --> 00:26:58.679
there's obviously misogyny, right?
00:26:58.699 --> 00:27:01.940
Because it's sexist that men are leaders.
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Men are naturally in the authoritative
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role.
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Men are the protectors,
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which really means men are the enforcers
00:27:13.345 --> 00:27:15.846
of the authority model.
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Men are the enforcers of
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This hierarchy in which obedience needs to
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flow up and punishment flows down.
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And so protectors is they're not
00:27:27.743 --> 00:27:29.224
protecting the people underneath them.
00:27:29.285 --> 00:27:31.426
They're protecting the hierarchy.
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They're protecting the authority
00:27:33.387 --> 00:27:33.788
structure.
00:27:34.576 --> 00:27:36.858
And so that protection is, again,
00:27:36.959 --> 00:27:39.421
punishment is not only possible,
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it is required.
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And that punishment is violence,
00:27:42.784 --> 00:27:44.086
physical punishment.
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And so policing,
00:27:45.946 --> 00:27:49.509
immigration enforcement are these outlets
00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:51.913
for men who have been unable to find
00:27:51.972 --> 00:27:53.713
a mate because they're disgusting human
00:27:53.733 --> 00:27:55.316
beings and they have no rejuvenating
00:27:55.355 --> 00:27:55.756
traits,
00:27:56.276 --> 00:27:57.438
for people who
00:27:58.972 --> 00:28:01.753
couldn't go the academic route for people
00:28:01.874 --> 00:28:04.134
who, for whatever reason,
00:28:04.214 --> 00:28:05.476
couldn't get into the military,
00:28:05.516 --> 00:28:09.137
for people who were too illiterate or too
00:28:09.218 --> 00:28:11.419
out of shape to join the police force,
00:28:13.220 --> 00:28:15.881
join ICE, right?
00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:20.303
And people who have a record,
00:28:21.544 --> 00:28:23.243
January sixth rioters, again,
00:28:23.263 --> 00:28:24.865
like you don't see the Proud Boys anymore
00:28:24.884 --> 00:28:26.586
because they're all in ICE.
00:28:28.553 --> 00:28:29.794
right?
00:28:29.834 --> 00:28:32.335
Cops who were let go because they were
00:28:32.375 --> 00:28:34.215
too violent or they kept beating their
00:28:34.257 --> 00:28:34.757
wives.
00:28:34.817 --> 00:28:35.696
They're in ICE.
00:28:36.897 --> 00:28:38.618
And what the state then has done with
00:28:38.798 --> 00:28:40.019
ICE is saying, hey,
00:28:40.901 --> 00:28:43.622
you fragile masculinity men,
00:28:44.542 --> 00:28:46.423
you toxic masculinity,
00:28:46.804 --> 00:28:49.746
fragile ego men who don't fit in anywhere
00:28:49.885 --> 00:28:50.185
else,
00:28:50.306 --> 00:28:53.928
go punish the rest of society in which
00:28:53.948 --> 00:28:54.729
you don't fit.
00:28:56.690 --> 00:28:59.892
And that's what we're seeing, right?
00:28:59.912 --> 00:29:01.952
That's where a protester can say,
00:29:02.134 --> 00:29:03.595
I'm not even mad at you.
00:29:04.275 --> 00:29:07.717
And that leads to violence because the
00:29:08.557 --> 00:29:10.578
authority figure needs that.
00:29:11.058 --> 00:29:13.461
The authority figure's fragile masculinity
00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:16.643
is threatened by not being perceived as a
00:29:16.682 --> 00:29:17.042
threat,
00:29:18.064 --> 00:29:19.964
by not being respected as a threat.
00:29:20.005 --> 00:29:21.086
It's one of those things that I see
00:29:21.125 --> 00:29:23.086
online that I will almost always reshare,
00:29:23.788 --> 00:29:24.807
which is some people
00:29:25.952 --> 00:29:28.115
think that respect means I will respect
00:29:28.134 --> 00:29:30.376
you as a person, person to person.
00:29:30.817 --> 00:29:32.058
And some people think that respect means
00:29:32.118 --> 00:29:33.259
you will respect my authority.
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.461
And in religious settings,
00:29:35.642 --> 00:29:38.805
in institutional settings where they're
00:29:38.825 --> 00:29:41.247
based on authoritative hierarchy,
00:29:42.167 --> 00:29:44.871
if you don't respect my authority,
00:29:45.070 --> 00:29:46.731
I won't respect your personhood.
00:29:47.532 --> 00:29:50.596
And again, like that's, it's,
00:29:52.173 --> 00:29:53.933
It's so ingrained in so many of our
00:29:53.953 --> 00:29:55.075
institutions here.
00:29:55.675 --> 00:29:57.656
It's why I say things like I'm team
00:29:57.696 --> 00:29:58.176
collapse.
00:29:58.196 --> 00:30:00.578
It's just, wow, the collapse.
00:30:00.598 --> 00:30:02.039
We're not at collapse.
00:30:02.059 --> 00:30:02.901
We're crumbling.
00:30:04.301 --> 00:30:05.923
Maybe the collapse happens at some point
00:30:05.982 --> 00:30:07.104
when enough things have crumbled.
00:30:07.144 --> 00:30:09.605
But the crumble is painful.
00:30:09.665 --> 00:30:12.387
The crumble is people are going to die.
00:30:12.708 --> 00:30:14.229
And it's preventable.
00:30:14.909 --> 00:30:15.990
All of this stuff is preventable.
00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:17.050
How many people were like,
00:30:18.011 --> 00:30:18.932
shit's going to get bad?
00:30:23.140 --> 00:30:23.941
But yeah, I mean,
00:30:23.961 --> 00:30:26.703
there's certainly the misogyny piece here,
00:30:27.305 --> 00:30:28.626
the fragile masculinity piece.
00:30:28.686 --> 00:30:30.409
And again, like Dobson, all these people,
00:30:31.088 --> 00:30:33.051
all the right-wing grifters, Andrew Tate,
00:30:33.112 --> 00:30:34.854
Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson,
00:30:35.434 --> 00:30:39.459
the fragile masculinity is their brand.
00:30:40.472 --> 00:30:42.192
And there's just research that came out,
00:30:42.233 --> 00:30:44.314
I saw the other day that suggested,
00:30:44.334 --> 00:30:47.015
I'm saying suggested because that's how
00:30:47.035 --> 00:30:47.734
you talk about research.
00:30:48.335 --> 00:30:53.355
This didn't surprise me that for what is
00:30:53.536 --> 00:30:56.376
talked about and considered relatively to
00:30:56.416 --> 00:30:58.238
be understood as toxic masculinity,
00:30:58.278 --> 00:31:00.137
those traits that make up toxic
00:31:00.178 --> 00:31:00.657
masculinity,
00:31:00.917 --> 00:31:03.159
about ten percent of men have those
00:31:03.199 --> 00:31:04.499
traits.
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.599
So again, like the idea of
00:31:08.666 --> 00:31:11.048
know i don't say like not all men
00:31:12.048 --> 00:31:14.209
but like that idea that like right these
00:31:14.229 --> 00:31:15.388
are the worst the worst it's just like
00:31:15.588 --> 00:31:16.970
these are those are the people that keep
00:31:16.990 --> 00:31:18.630
getting put into power those are the
00:31:18.650 --> 00:31:20.971
people who are taking advantage of years
00:31:21.010 --> 00:31:23.192
and years and years and years decades
00:31:23.251 --> 00:31:26.333
worth of infrastructure being built around
00:31:26.472 --> 00:31:29.334
a hierarchical authority system these are
00:31:29.374 --> 00:31:31.295
the toxic masculinity men who go into
00:31:31.315 --> 00:31:34.355
those places joe rogan is most skilled
00:31:37.307 --> 00:31:38.166
Real low bar here.
00:31:39.087 --> 00:31:41.909
He's most skilled at announcing MMA.
00:31:41.969 --> 00:31:44.770
He's most skilled at talking about UFC.
00:31:44.790 --> 00:31:46.592
If there was something he wanted to do
00:31:46.632 --> 00:31:48.992
that he actually could be an authority on,
00:31:49.573 --> 00:31:50.354
it would be that.
00:31:51.453 --> 00:31:52.595
Any other venue he's in,
00:31:53.394 --> 00:31:55.115
he's way out of his depth because he
00:31:55.175 --> 00:31:56.936
is an uneducated,
00:31:57.676 --> 00:32:01.959
dim-witted moron with likely head trauma,
00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:02.660
right?
00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:05.342
Like this isn't somebody who'd be an
00:32:05.362 --> 00:32:07.222
authority on anything else.
00:32:07.364 --> 00:32:07.864
And so,
00:32:08.243 --> 00:32:10.866
but the toxic masculinity traits pair well
00:32:10.886 --> 00:32:12.008
with the authority system.
00:32:12.048 --> 00:32:13.528
And so we keep having these toxic,
00:32:14.670 --> 00:32:18.173
fragile masculinity men in positions of
00:32:18.212 --> 00:32:18.512
power.
00:32:19.032 --> 00:32:20.835
And now in those positions of power to
00:32:20.894 --> 00:32:22.195
protect their own authority,
00:32:22.236 --> 00:32:25.219
they have created the system to allow for
00:32:25.378 --> 00:32:27.220
other fragile men to meet out their
00:32:27.259 --> 00:32:27.740
punishment.
00:32:27.760 --> 00:32:30.403
And like, yeah, I don't know.
00:32:31.826 --> 00:32:32.626
That's what it is.
00:32:32.747 --> 00:32:33.988
And so, you know,
00:32:34.008 --> 00:32:35.890
it's really hard to shake these people.
00:32:35.970 --> 00:32:36.250
Again,
00:32:36.310 --> 00:32:39.433
evangelical Christians have been Trump's
00:32:39.534 --> 00:32:43.679
main base for so long because if you
00:32:43.699 --> 00:32:46.622
get them to question policing in America,
00:32:46.761 --> 00:32:47.702
then they're questioning their
00:32:47.722 --> 00:32:48.763
relationship to authority.
00:32:48.784 --> 00:32:50.045
If they question their relationship to
00:32:50.085 --> 00:32:50.526
authority.
00:32:51.086 --> 00:32:53.907
that starts to shake their own identity as
00:32:53.988 --> 00:32:56.628
something like being a Christian or that
00:32:56.689 --> 00:32:59.330
religion is a plus or that a God
00:32:59.371 --> 00:33:01.951
who is going to punish people in the
00:33:01.991 --> 00:33:05.212
system that he created for all eternity
00:33:05.252 --> 00:33:06.493
for finite, like, again,
00:33:06.513 --> 00:33:07.894
like as we get into all of the
00:33:08.474 --> 00:33:11.296
counter apologetics that are super valid
00:33:11.415 --> 00:33:13.237
and awesome and have no good argument from
00:33:13.297 --> 00:33:13.717
religion,
00:33:15.258 --> 00:33:16.458
like then you have to question all that
00:33:16.478 --> 00:33:16.778
stuff.
00:33:17.558 --> 00:33:18.159
And that's scary.
00:33:20.134 --> 00:33:20.915
For all the people who are like
00:33:20.955 --> 00:33:23.136
identity-based politics, blah, blah, blah.
00:33:23.336 --> 00:33:24.978
That's all Christianity has ever been.
00:33:24.998 --> 00:33:27.940
That's all the religious right has ever
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:28.440
been.
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:29.901
It's identity-based politics.
00:33:30.141 --> 00:33:31.741
And it's the identity of being a Christian
00:33:31.781 --> 00:33:32.521
is a moral one.
00:33:35.463 --> 00:33:38.525
Reagan's moral majority was a tiny
00:33:38.565 --> 00:33:39.125
minority.
00:33:39.586 --> 00:33:39.786
Again,
00:33:39.806 --> 00:33:40.826
the percentage of people who voted for
00:33:40.866 --> 00:33:42.847
Trump is still a tiny minority.
00:33:43.067 --> 00:33:44.709
A third of Americans don't vote.
00:33:47.355 --> 00:33:49.155
And either because they're prohibited from
00:33:49.195 --> 00:33:49.875
voting, again,
00:33:49.915 --> 00:33:51.356
like Trump got reelected because the
00:33:51.396 --> 00:33:54.417
Republicans spent four years limiting the
00:33:54.438 --> 00:33:57.159
number of people who could vote and seven
00:33:57.199 --> 00:33:58.599
million fewer people voted.
00:33:59.420 --> 00:34:03.761
And so voter suppression is white
00:34:03.781 --> 00:34:04.682
supremacy in America.
00:34:06.563 --> 00:34:08.943
It all flows back to that.
00:34:09.784 --> 00:34:11.105
And if you grew up fundamentalist,
00:34:11.324 --> 00:34:12.706
then you saw misogyny.
00:34:14.295 --> 00:34:16.717
You saw there had to have been some
00:34:16.757 --> 00:34:18.880
supremacy in my church where I was raised,
00:34:19.780 --> 00:34:20.521
which was Wells,
00:34:20.762 --> 00:34:22.543
which in the last calendar year had
00:34:23.304 --> 00:34:27.789
multiple people arrested for sexual abuse
00:34:27.809 --> 00:34:29.070
of minors, just saying,
00:34:30.110 --> 00:34:32.012
tiny church and multiple scandals and
00:34:32.554 --> 00:34:33.295
still chugging along.
00:34:36.108 --> 00:34:38.329
The reason it's so hard to break those
00:34:38.369 --> 00:34:41.371
people from those groups,
00:34:41.391 --> 00:34:41.952
from those things,
00:34:42.032 --> 00:34:43.853
is because they have to question their own
00:34:43.913 --> 00:34:44.574
identity,
00:34:44.813 --> 00:34:46.335
and that's going to make them question
00:34:46.355 --> 00:34:46.894
their faith.
00:34:47.335 --> 00:34:47.775
Again,
00:34:47.835 --> 00:34:50.117
with any degree of functional critical
00:34:50.157 --> 00:34:50.956
thinking skills,
00:34:51.536 --> 00:34:54.559
plenty of people want to be liberal
00:34:54.659 --> 00:34:57.661
Christians and want to be against Donald
00:34:57.681 --> 00:34:59.661
Trump but not against the church.
00:35:01.902 --> 00:35:03.244
The institution is broken.
00:35:05.856 --> 00:35:07.217
And whether it's,
00:35:07.418 --> 00:35:08.677
we're talking about the state,
00:35:08.778 --> 00:35:10.518
the government and state sanctioned
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:10.940
violence,
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:12.400
or you're talking about the church,
00:35:12.420 --> 00:35:14.360
which again,
00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.342
like I'm writing a paper for a conference
00:35:17.583 --> 00:35:22.005
on religion having no utility as a moral
00:35:22.085 --> 00:35:22.465
arbiter,
00:35:23.846 --> 00:35:25.166
which is why some of this stuff is
00:35:25.206 --> 00:35:26.646
so readily at hand for me.
00:35:27.186 --> 00:35:29.369
The modern system I lived through and I
00:35:29.389 --> 00:35:30.168
understand very well,
00:35:30.208 --> 00:35:32.510
but like this stuff goes back to
00:35:33.269 --> 00:35:34.251
colonialism, right?
00:35:34.965 --> 00:35:37.967
and colonization behaviors of the church
00:35:39.007 --> 00:35:43.128
and the Pope writing papal decree,
00:35:43.168 --> 00:35:45.309
which became law because the church and
00:35:45.329 --> 00:35:47.030
the state were married at those times.
00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:48.811
Those papal decrees saying,
00:35:49.010 --> 00:35:50.030
if the land doesn't belong to the
00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:50.530
Christian,
00:35:50.610 --> 00:35:52.411
then a Christian can take that land.
00:35:53.391 --> 00:35:54.813
That's the premise of American
00:35:54.853 --> 00:35:57.574
colonization is the church saying, well,
00:35:57.614 --> 00:35:58.574
Christians get this land.
00:36:00.695 --> 00:36:03.856
And no further questions.
00:36:05.579 --> 00:36:09.161
like that's preposterous um but we saw
00:36:09.262 --> 00:36:11.382
genocide over the last couple of years on
00:36:11.402 --> 00:36:15.563
that very premise um you know the white
00:36:15.583 --> 00:36:19.865
supremacy and uh the misogyny the racism
00:36:19.885 --> 00:36:24.307
the bigotry comes comes back to colonial
00:36:24.327 --> 00:36:26.869
thinking colonizers are going to colonize
00:36:27.847 --> 00:36:30.889
And until we have a system that works
00:36:30.929 --> 00:36:31.268
better,
00:36:31.568 --> 00:36:33.309
it's really hard to bring some of these
00:36:33.329 --> 00:36:35.309
people in because it's really hard to
00:36:35.349 --> 00:36:41.851
break that mindset where authority is
00:36:41.972 --> 00:36:43.431
moral and anything that questions that
00:36:43.972 --> 00:36:45.773
authority deserves punishment for being
00:36:45.853 --> 00:36:46.353
immoral.
00:36:47.992 --> 00:36:50.934
So it's, you know, that's where
00:36:54.487 --> 00:36:56.429
Because capitalism is paired with the
00:36:56.469 --> 00:36:57.528
fascism here in America,
00:36:57.570 --> 00:36:59.110
we don't have a landing place for a
00:36:59.150 --> 00:36:59.911
lot of these people.
00:37:00.490 --> 00:37:02.271
Where's our free third space where people
00:37:02.291 --> 00:37:02.612
can meet?
00:37:02.813 --> 00:37:07.255
It's churches who can do things tax-free,
00:37:07.295 --> 00:37:08.876
who can run charities,
00:37:08.916 --> 00:37:10.697
who can do these things.
00:37:10.757 --> 00:37:14.420
It's churches because the state supports
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:16.740
the churches because the states know the
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:18.081
churches are never going to rise up
00:37:18.161 --> 00:37:19.222
against the state.
00:37:20.967 --> 00:37:21.527
Christians,
00:37:22.068 --> 00:37:26.610
however they want to put their don't try
00:37:26.630 --> 00:37:29.052
to make flags and their back the blue
00:37:29.351 --> 00:37:30.793
out on their lawns.
00:37:30.813 --> 00:37:32.253
I don't know if I finished the story
00:37:32.293 --> 00:37:34.335
earlier because I'm so distracted right
00:37:34.375 --> 00:37:34.514
now.
00:37:35.454 --> 00:37:37.896
There's too many things going on.
00:37:37.996 --> 00:37:39.577
I did an hour-long float today.
00:37:39.617 --> 00:37:42.039
My mental health felt good.
00:37:45.996 --> 00:37:47.817
as of this morning, and here we are.
00:37:48.956 --> 00:37:49.496
But like, yeah,
00:37:49.516 --> 00:37:51.996
I saw some sticker on some oversized
00:37:52.036 --> 00:37:52.998
truck, right?
00:37:53.197 --> 00:37:55.297
Eye roll, you're embarrassing.
00:37:56.038 --> 00:37:59.579
The fragile masculinity of driving an
00:37:59.619 --> 00:38:00.378
oversized truck.
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:01.639
But I saw like,
00:38:01.699 --> 00:38:04.099
we're all Charlie now bumper sticker.
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:05.059
This is the first one I'd seen in
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:05.579
the wild.
00:38:06.579 --> 00:38:06.920
And again,
00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:08.980
like people who used to listen to Rush
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.561
Limbaugh, grew up listening to that,
00:38:10.721 --> 00:38:12.121
who then listened to Charlie Kirk
00:38:12.300 --> 00:38:13.981
or Ben Shapiro, probably not Ben Shapiro,
00:38:14.001 --> 00:38:14.623
because again,
00:38:14.742 --> 00:38:17.605
gotta be anti-Semitic if you're in the
00:38:17.666 --> 00:38:19.907
real, true evangelical church.
00:38:21.228 --> 00:38:22.369
Wants Israel to be a state,
00:38:22.409 --> 00:38:23.951
but just so all the Jews can go
00:38:23.990 --> 00:38:25.672
to hell after Armageddon comes.
00:38:28.193 --> 00:38:29.275
What a weird thing.
00:38:30.376 --> 00:38:31.056
What a weird thing.
00:38:32.557 --> 00:38:33.259
So anyway,
00:38:33.858 --> 00:38:36.760
this isn't about any sort of a few
00:38:36.780 --> 00:38:39.724
bad apples, which again, like, ugh.
00:38:40.896 --> 00:38:43.237
the church and in its use of spiritual
00:38:43.257 --> 00:38:47.038
bypassing and in its ability to erode
00:38:47.077 --> 00:38:50.659
critical thinking skills um we have just a
00:38:52.019 --> 00:38:55.141
brain rot community of boots pull yourself
00:38:55.181 --> 00:38:57.021
up by your bootstraps again that that
00:38:57.222 --> 00:38:59.463
idiom that original phrase was to suggest
00:38:59.503 --> 00:39:01.824
that that was impossible by stepping into
00:39:01.844 --> 00:39:03.123
your boot and pulling on your your
00:39:03.143 --> 00:39:05.244
bootstraps you could not pick yourself up
00:39:05.284 --> 00:39:07.585
because literally your weight was
00:39:08.820 --> 00:39:10.320
Can't lift your own weight like that.
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:11.621
That's the meaning of the saying.
00:39:11.661 --> 00:39:13.663
But around policing, a few bad apples,
00:39:13.682 --> 00:39:15.543
like the phrase is a few bad apples
00:39:15.583 --> 00:39:16.965
spoil the whole bunch.
00:39:19.005 --> 00:39:20.005
Now it's not a few bad apples.
00:39:20.025 --> 00:39:22.427
It's always been the barrel is spoiled.
00:39:22.768 --> 00:39:23.528
The institution,
00:39:23.548 --> 00:39:25.809
the structure around policing in America,
00:39:26.170 --> 00:39:27.831
the structure around the church in America
00:39:28.431 --> 00:39:29.931
has always been bad.
00:39:29.972 --> 00:39:32.414
When we confuse control with safety and we
00:39:32.454 --> 00:39:34.375
confuse punishment with love,
00:39:35.414 --> 00:39:36.416
that system is broken.
00:39:39.139 --> 00:39:44.603
so yeah this is i don't know super
00:39:44.764 --> 00:39:51.608
frustrating and cyclical um you can't you
00:39:51.648 --> 00:39:58.195
can't have generations of people raised on
00:39:59.251 --> 00:40:02.554
fear of being disobedient and pain being
00:40:02.594 --> 00:40:04.775
mixed with love and then expect those
00:40:04.815 --> 00:40:07.456
people to be the ones who are speaking
00:40:07.516 --> 00:40:11.920
up standing up and and working against a
00:40:11.980 --> 00:40:15.463
state that runs on guns and putting people
00:40:15.503 --> 00:40:22.547
in cages um so you know we we
00:40:22.567 --> 00:40:24.489
need a whole new system for
00:40:25.907 --> 00:40:28.070
governance but we need a whole new system
00:40:28.110 --> 00:40:30.911
for morality too because policing is
00:40:30.952 --> 00:40:33.474
rotten the church is rotten it's all very
00:40:33.514 --> 00:40:37.317
rotten the brain rot that allows for these
00:40:37.356 --> 00:40:45.923
things is old so
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.340
I don't know.
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:51.643
This is your friendly therapist reminder
00:40:51.682 --> 00:40:53.844
that if you're exhausted,
00:40:54.005 --> 00:40:56.327
if your nervous system feels on fire,
00:40:56.387 --> 00:40:58.228
if you're furious, if you're raging,
00:40:58.289 --> 00:40:59.309
if you are angry,
00:41:00.552 --> 00:41:01.713
if you are burnt out,
00:41:01.932 --> 00:41:04.655
that is all correct.
00:41:05.795 --> 00:41:08.257
That is your brain identifying threats
00:41:08.336 --> 00:41:08.896
correctly.
00:41:09.217 --> 00:41:11.697
A capitalistic system is a threat to your
00:41:11.737 --> 00:41:12.077
safety.
00:41:12.117 --> 00:41:13.778
The police system is a threat to your
00:41:13.818 --> 00:41:14.159
safety.
00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:15.858
The church is a threat to your safety.
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:19.639
And while those are all in privileged
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.541
positions in our current time in history,
00:41:23.362 --> 00:41:25.282
your nervous system is right to be on
00:41:25.322 --> 00:41:25.702
guard.
00:41:26.722 --> 00:41:28.262
Your nervous system is not designed to
00:41:28.282 --> 00:41:29.422
stay on guard forever.
00:41:29.503 --> 00:41:30.943
So you do need to rest and you
00:41:30.963 --> 00:41:32.364
do need to take care of yourself.
00:41:32.784 --> 00:41:34.324
And then, you know,
00:41:36.297 --> 00:41:37.577
Join your local community.
00:41:38.217 --> 00:41:39.559
Participate in mutual aid.
00:41:39.619 --> 00:41:40.460
Go protest.
00:41:41.581 --> 00:41:46.403
Go protest in a meaningful way.
00:41:47.824 --> 00:41:48.985
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
00:41:51.527 --> 00:41:52.847
Yeah, it's all fucked.
00:41:52.887 --> 00:41:54.369
And if your brain feels like it's all
00:41:54.409 --> 00:41:54.690
fucked,
00:41:54.730 --> 00:41:55.869
it's because your brain is seeing it
00:41:55.909 --> 00:41:56.371
correctly.
00:41:58.231 --> 00:42:00.012
And if you're not seeing it that way,
00:42:00.052 --> 00:42:01.833
you probably have some of the cognitive
00:42:01.853 --> 00:42:04.115
biases we talked about in here.
00:42:04.155 --> 00:42:05.456
You should look into those.
00:42:10.047 --> 00:42:11.007
Yeah, I mean,
00:42:11.068 --> 00:42:12.809
people with religious trauma see this
00:42:12.829 --> 00:42:14.650
stuff really easily because it's the same
00:42:14.670 --> 00:42:15.971
in the church as it's playing out in
00:42:16.010 --> 00:42:19.552
the state because the state adopted the
00:42:19.592 --> 00:42:21.554
religious approach and adopted the
00:42:21.594 --> 00:42:22.634
religious people along with it.
00:42:25.755 --> 00:42:26.315
Cool.
00:42:29.458 --> 00:42:31.099
This goes back to the Segregation Act.
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.101
Yeah, it's exhausting.
00:42:36.161 --> 00:42:36.842
It's exhausting.
00:42:38.003 --> 00:42:39.344
to turn on the news and see the
00:42:39.385 --> 00:42:40.204
new horrible things.
00:42:40.264 --> 00:42:43.527
It's exhausting to see the administration
00:42:43.907 --> 00:42:45.367
just bold-faced lie about it.
00:42:45.447 --> 00:42:47.389
It's exhausting to see this pattern and
00:42:47.688 --> 00:42:49.389
see just a complete lack of accountability
00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:51.690
anywhere for any of these awful humans.
00:42:55.065 --> 00:42:56.907
And I think that's what lots of folks
00:42:56.927 --> 00:42:58.588
from marginalized backgrounds have
00:42:58.688 --> 00:42:59.628
experienced forever.
00:42:59.927 --> 00:43:03.369
So read and learn from them.
00:43:03.389 --> 00:43:04.510
There are people who have been doing this
00:43:04.530 --> 00:43:05.431
a lot longer than you.
00:43:05.451 --> 00:43:07.391
There are people who know more about it
00:43:07.411 --> 00:43:07.952
than you do.
00:43:08.771 --> 00:43:10.233
We don't need to reinvent the wheel for
00:43:10.253 --> 00:43:11.673
how a revolution can work.
00:43:11.773 --> 00:43:14.215
Just got to do it.
00:43:14.255 --> 00:43:16.195
So that's what I got this week.
00:43:17.699 --> 00:43:18.820
I said I would have guests,
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:19.539
and I will.
00:43:19.780 --> 00:43:20.942
I have them scheduled.
00:43:21.061 --> 00:43:22.782
I just took the month of December off
00:43:22.822 --> 00:43:23.603
from having guests,
00:43:23.643 --> 00:43:25.005
and then I also took the month of
00:43:25.045 --> 00:43:26.646
December off from scheduling guests.
00:43:26.846 --> 00:43:28.768
So next week,
00:43:28.887 --> 00:43:31.630
barring any illnesses or unforeseen
00:43:31.769 --> 00:43:34.572
recording snafus, I will have a guest on.
00:43:34.871 --> 00:43:35.733
And the week after that,
00:43:37.195 --> 00:43:40.940
And interspersed from that point on will
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:43.342
be probably these check-in episodes for
00:43:43.382 --> 00:43:45.284
like, hey, this sucks.
00:43:45.385 --> 00:43:46.585
And if you think it sucks,
00:43:46.646 --> 00:43:47.626
it's because your brain's working
00:43:47.646 --> 00:43:48.148
correctly.
00:43:49.427 --> 00:43:50.208
Ta-da.
00:43:50.748 --> 00:43:52.789
Sometimes as a neurodivergent person,
00:43:52.809 --> 00:43:54.331
the top-down processing is really helpful
00:43:54.371 --> 00:43:54.650
for me.
00:43:55.030 --> 00:43:56.311
And maybe it's helpful for you too.
00:43:56.811 --> 00:43:57.952
And maybe you weren't raised in a
00:43:57.972 --> 00:43:59.512
fundamentalist religion and you are
00:43:59.552 --> 00:44:02.054
confused as to why your otherwise nice
00:44:02.114 --> 00:44:04.275
neighbors are supportive of this horrific
00:44:04.315 --> 00:44:04.755
regime.
00:44:05.135 --> 00:44:06.237
And maybe now it makes a little bit
00:44:06.257 --> 00:44:07.197
more sense to you.
00:44:07.777 --> 00:44:09.119
We did a thing today.
00:44:09.278 --> 00:44:09.818
Hooray.
00:44:13.300 --> 00:44:17.262
Be kind to your community.
00:44:18.358 --> 00:44:19.820
I usually sign off these things by saying,
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:20.440
take care of yourself,
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:21.380
take care of somebody else.
00:44:23.043 --> 00:44:23.903
Fuck ICE.
00:44:24.885 --> 00:44:25.646
Fuck MAGA.
00:44:26.686 --> 00:44:27.867
Take care of everybody else.
00:44:29.228 --> 00:44:29.969
Take care of yourself.
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:34.353
Take care of your neighbors.
00:44:34.534 --> 00:44:38.197
And fuck ICE.
00:44:38.217 --> 00:44:39.579
We'll be back next week with another new
00:44:39.619 --> 00:44:39.960
episode.
00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:41.922
Be careful out there, everybody.