Your Therapist Needs Therapy 133 - The American Authoritarian Family Tree

Authoritarian movements in the U.S. don’t appear out of nowhere, they inherit patterns. In this episode, Jeremy traces the American authoritarian family tree from Gerald L. K. Smith’s Christian Identity movement shaping modern Christian Nationalism, looking at Joseph McCarthy’s fear-based security politics, and finally moving to Paul Weyrich’s Moral Majority and the direct connection to the MAGA movement today. Same emotional manipulation, same dynamics, different generations.

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Transcript

Hello,

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and welcome to another edition of Your

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Therapist Needs a Therapy.

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I'm your host, Jeremy Schumacher,

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licensed marriage and family therapist.

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I don't know that there's much talk about

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related to mental health that isn't

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looking at how fascism is bad for mental

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health.

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In authoritarian occupation of American

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cities, not doing wonders.

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for my mental health and the mental health

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of a lot of my colleagues,

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let alone all the clients that we work

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with and the members of our communities

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that we participate in.

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One of the things that Trump one point

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O taught me was for my brain specifically,

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grounding in history has been really

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helpful.

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None of this stuff is new or particularly

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groundbreaking.

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from a fascist lens,

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from an authoritarian lens.

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These quote unquote unprecedented times in

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America are very precedented.

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America founded as a colonial project of

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various religious groups back in the day.

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So you see the title and you might

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think like, yeah, obviously.

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But while the nation focuses on what's

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going on in Minneapolis,

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shout out to Minneapolis,

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all the people I know up there,

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all the people who are out protesting and

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standing up for their rights.

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I'm a Golden Gopher.

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It's my alma mater is University of

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Minnesota Twin Cities.

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While everybody is looking at Minneapolis,

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I thought I would take a look at

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some of the foundational folks who have

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shaped

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the political movement that has become

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MAGA.

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I think all of these people would hate

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MAGA, which is interesting,

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but these are all Wisconsinites.

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Shame, shame, shame, shame on Wisconsin.

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And I'm a Wisconsin Homer, right?

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That's where I practice now.

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That's where I was born.

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know the worst people were generally known

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for are dahmer and ed gein but but

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i got some contenders here for worst

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people from wisconsin and they're not

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directly two of them are directly related

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they're not overtly directly related um i

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think two of the three are names people

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won't know very well

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without sort of an understanding of how

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the religious right became the political

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right and vice versa.

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One name is well known and people will

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definitely know that.

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I honestly didn't know all of them were

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from Wisconsin.

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So that's just a neat little intro I

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can use to map this.

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And if you're tuning in,

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maybe you're new to the podcast,

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That was my radio voice.

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Maybe you're new to the podcast and you're

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like,

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why is a mental health professional giving

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us this history lesson?

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Again,

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I think looking at history helps us learn

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and ground some of the panic,

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the rising anxiety,

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the nervous system on fire that we feel

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that other people have done this.

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The resistance has...

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been there in the past and and people

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know what they're doing people know how to

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respond to this like organizing and

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standing up against authoritarian rule

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works and it's very calming uh for my

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system in the sense that this has all

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been done before uh and the other reason

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that a mental health professional might

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might talk about something like this is i

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think historians look at things through

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the lens of of how they're taught how

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to do history

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I'm a licensed marriage and family

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therapist.

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And so what my brain does is patterns

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within systems, whether that is a couple,

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a romantic relationship,

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I see lots of polycules and otherwise.

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sort of non-conforming romantic

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relationships.

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I'm a family therapist.

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I've worked extensively with the family

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system, whether that is adult siblings,

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whether that is grown kids and their aging

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parents.

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When I was a younger therapist,

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I used to work a lot more with

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teens and even young kids and those family

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dynamics.

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I'm also a sports psychologist.

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not a psychologist in so much as licensed

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in that I'm an LMFT,

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but I've worked in sports psychology

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extensively.

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And so both as a coach and a

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mental wellness coach was my title,

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the director of student athlete mental

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wellness.

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I've worked extensively with teams around

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mental health and a team is the system.

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And so as a systems thinker,

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as somebody who's trained in pattern

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recognition within systems,

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the ecosystem that humans create,

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some of these patterns are really

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fascinating.

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And I think also I'm neurodivergent enough

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to one,

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think they're interesting where other

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people might think they're boring and to

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be able to step outside the box a

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little bit and apply some of that

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neurodivergent thinking in connecting

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these patterns

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that I don't know a ton of people

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talk about.

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Again,

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I think partially because it's a

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hyper-focus of mine and a ton of people

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aren't super interested in it.

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I don't know why.

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And again,

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that's probably the neurodivergent part of

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my brain.

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I think everyone should be interested in

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this stuff.

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It's fascinating.

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But yeah,

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if you're not new to the podcast,

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one of my fascinations is how many

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religious extremists are also neo-Nazis.

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And I love the podcast Weird Little Guys.

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If you are interested in

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um a far more professional and polished

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version of what i'm about to talk about

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uh go listen to molly conger uh and

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and weird little guys but we're gonna talk

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about um how the christian identity

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movement which to me is again proto-mega

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like

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fact that journalism has fallen so far in

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our country shout out to last week's

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guests uh we talked a lot about journalism

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she's a journalist deanna bianco was a

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journalist before becoming a therapist um

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the fact that mega wasn't directly tied to

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this overtly fascist nazi movement that

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already existed in america which was the

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christian identity movement

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How that paired with the most famous,

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I think,

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of the three Wisconsinite McCarthyism,

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Joseph McCarthy, Senator from Wisconsin,

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and those fear-based tactics that he used

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to promote authoritarian rule to then Paul

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Weyrich,

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who's really the architect of the moral

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majority that worked to get Reagan elected

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and took what was a racist movement

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and made it um a christian movement and

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again if you know me you know i

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think the the relationship between

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christianity and white supremacy is always

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been there um in america for sure right

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like that's you can't separate those two

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so we're we're going um

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from Gerald L.K.

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Smith,

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probably the least well-known figure here,

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but he ran for president more than once,

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and to Joseph McCarthy,

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and those are the two that have a

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little bit of political overlap,

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but not a ton, to Paul Wyrick,

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and how those three figures,

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while not being directly connected to

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MAGA, all make up the family tree,

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are all roots in the system that we

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see today in the modern MAGA movement,

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who are to the point of

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Saying we're at the authoritarian stage of

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you need to carry your papers with you

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or we can extrajudicially murder you is

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the government's current stance.

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So that's fun.

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And yeah, so we're going to ground.

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We're going to ground a little bit through

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history and learn a little bit about

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hopefully what got us here and how.

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organizing against these things is really

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really helpful actually so let's start

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with gerald lk smith gerald lk smith is

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uh one of there's not a ton but

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is one of the most famous christian

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identity figures here in america um uh

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what's his name i want to say howard

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but it might be edward um barkoon is

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you know the name i want to say

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oh i've got it somewhere i don't have

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notes um

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Michael.

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Not close.

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I'm bad at names.

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Michael Barcoon is one of the leading

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scholars in tracking Christian identity

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and writing about it.

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He and Leonard Zeskind have written some

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quite lengthy tomes sort of tracking white

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supremacy and Christian overlaps here in

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America.

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But Barcoon is who wrote the one book

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that I think exists.

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on Christian identity politics here in

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America.

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And again,

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this is just not a popular topic.

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This isn't something people talk a lot

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about.

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The idea that, again,

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we could have a party that was literally

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known as the American First Party,

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which then became the Christian

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Nationalist Crusade, just, again,

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not great.

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How we could have that exist as part

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of our history, our country's history,

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and not directly like tie that to MAGA

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back in twenty sixteen when Trump tried to

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run as a populist, you know,

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like it's crazy.

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Anyway, Gerald L.K.

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Smith was was not always popular.

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politically active.

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He was a religious preacher,

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first and foremost.

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One of the earliest quotes of his life

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that can be attributed to him is talking

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about his childhood.

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He's born outside of Madison,

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Wisconsin people.

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I have quotes.

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I'll find it.

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um it's lost i'm i'm bad at organizing

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this was supposed to be my attempt at

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doing a not good job of what weird

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little guys does uh here it is uh

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we took for granted that the word

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christian was the companion of the word

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american and again i think the reason i

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wanted to to highlight that quote

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specifically is because i think that's

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one of again i picked these people on

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purpose the fact that they're from

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wisconsin was not the reason it was just

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a happy coincidence an unhappy coincidence

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um this is this is a core pillar

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of maga this is performative christianity

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as political identity um and and what we

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know with research now what modern

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research says of

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religious identity is that it has been

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replaced by political identity.

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By being a Republican,

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you are declaring that you are a Christian

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and therefore a moral person without

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needing to be a member or even an

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active participant in any sort of

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organized religion.

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Now, I'm a religious trauma therapist.

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So if you know me and you follow

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my work,

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I think that probably makes you

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bad person uh and and what i mean

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by that is not that all christians are

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bad people but that like there's a gap

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in between what you are willing to say

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is your ethics and what you actually take

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action around there is a a disconnect

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usually it's cognitive dissonance but but

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sometimes it's action sometimes it's

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outright hypocrisy

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between thoughts, beliefs,

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and our ethics system.

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And so one of the frustrations for people

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who follow MAGA,

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who followed the religious right and

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highlight its hypocrisy,

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is this disconnect between you claim to be

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Christian and yet you're supporting

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somebody who is obviously not Christian

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and you support policies that go against

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what the Bible teaches.

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And so I think, again,

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this makes sense when you go far back

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in the history,

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in the movement and understand that like,

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white supremacy is the piece that ties us

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all together.

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Anti-Semitism is a big part of white

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supremacy in America.

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We've almost like lost some of that.

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I think as like a millennial racism never

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makes sense.

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But that's one that's weird because again,

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like growing up in a more diverse America

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than what our grandparents would have

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grown up in and seeing diversity several

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generations later, like I, I,

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the white supremacy and the antisemitism

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don't make a ton of sense because those

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people are white?

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Question mark.

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And again, racism doesn't make sense.

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I'm also...

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have some face blindness and am autistic

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enough to not understand the,

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the categorizations that aren't able to be

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described logically.

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So racism really doesn't make sense to me.

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It seems,

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it seems quite anti-intellectual,

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which I guess it is.

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That's kind of the whole point.

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Um, but it's, it's, uh,

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this performative Christianity.

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And again, I can argue with,

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with people on YouTube all the time about

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stuff like this.

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Um,

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all religious movements that come back to

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somebody having a vision, a dream,

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are not reliable sources of information.

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There cannot be an internal consistency in

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how you live your life around something

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like that as an ethos.

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And that's Christian identity.

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Christian identity comes from the British

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Israelite movement,

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which is a weird white supremacist sort of

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way to say that,

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British people are the lost tribes of

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Judah.

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And so the true Israelites,

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which makes them God's chosen people.

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And then some of those religious weirdos

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came over to America and the Christian

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identity movement really blossomed in

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America to be like a fringe religious

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movement.

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Again,

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like never hit mainstream popularity,

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was pretty fringe religiously.

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always was very deeply connected to the

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various Nazi, not even neo-Nazis,

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just actual like Hitler,

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while Hitler was about movements in

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America, fascist movements,

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authoritarian movements.

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And then even after World War II, again,

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still neo-Nazi movements and just white

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supremacy in general.

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And so Christian identity is the bedrock

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of what makes

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white people assume that Christianity is

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for them.

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Now, I don't think you're average.

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I don't even think you're well-educated,

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mega, the three of them that exist.

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I don't think you're people who actually

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know this stuff,

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whether they're actual politicians or

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maybe they're political science people,

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the people who make up the Heritage

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Foundation, right?

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Like the people who actually study and

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know this stuff.

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I think we're probably a few generations

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removed

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Although there's probably still some of

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them around.

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Paul Weyrich only died in, you know,

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twenty ten, maybe two thousand eight,

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whatever.

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Something like that.

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He recent.

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Some of these people have probably lost,

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again, some of the starting point.

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And so I think, again,

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like looking at Reagan.

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as a millennial,

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really easy to point to the Reagan

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economics and the Reagan policies that

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we're still dealing with negative effects

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from those things, forty years later.

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But again, like going back further,

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what makes not just Americans and American

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exceptionalism,

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think that they're god's chosen people but

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like here's the actual theology here's the

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actual doctrine and again it's not that's

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not based on anything this was just

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something a racist thought in like the

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eighteen fifties this isn't based on

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actual science or genealogies or anything

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because it would be disproved again like

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it's it's an intellectually dishonest

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pursuit to defend white supremacy as being

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based on anything other than bigotry

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um but so that's that's christian identity

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it is the theology that says god's chosen

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people are americans because we're the

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lost tribes of israel now again i think

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most current evangelicals i think mega

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people don't think even think about that

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again i think this movement while never

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quite hitting mainstream permeated enough

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to then grow into eventually the moral

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majority.

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Some of those ideas with polishing off

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some of the rough edges of overt

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anti-Semitism, it's there.

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And again, MAGA is, as a movement,

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just like taking the mask off some of

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these things.

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but but gerald lk smith was not a

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popular figure again he he roan he ran

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for president twice or one of his

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presidential campaigns he got a few

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thousand votes in the other time he ran

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he got like twelve votes like i looked

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it up like it's comical that they tracked

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it they were all right ends right and

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so um

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But he was an interesting figure.

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He was a populist for a while.

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He worked with unions and he worked with

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Huey Long,

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who was an advocate for redistributing

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wealth in America.

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And so the tracking his movements and

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politically is interesting.

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And again, I think it's,

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stuff like this is grounding for me to

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look at a figure who's dead and gone

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and look at their legacy,

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but also then like having primary sources

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and having some of their interviews,

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having things they said in public or wrote

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down,

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we can see how people's things change over

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time and his beliefs shifted over time.

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And some of what shifted him is,

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From my perspective, again,

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this is not factual.

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This is therapist looking at it.

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The reason that Freud wrote so much about

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wanting to kill his dad and fuck his

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mom was because Freud's dad married a

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twenty-year-old when Freud was fourteen.

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that's not part of a ton of freud's

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biographies nobody's going to word it like

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that that's freud's biography is

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understood that's the family therapist of

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me saying this pattern recognition and

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this tracks right um

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And so Gerald L.K.

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Smith had a bunch of church drama.

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He was kicked out of congregations.

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Other pastors usurped his authority in

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congregations.

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And we can sort of see him sour

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and turn on things like supporting a

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movement for redistribution of wealth,

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like wanting to run a more populist thing

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like populism in America doesn't actually

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work.

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That's a whole separate thing.

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um but one of the things that stays

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very consistent for him while he engages

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with different public figures while he's

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in different political movements the the

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core belief for him is americans are

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christian and he's violently anti-semitic

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right um and so the nazi party in

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germany is in power in world war ii

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is going on and uh smith starts the

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american first party

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Right,

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like this is one for one copying what

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Hitler did in Germany and trying to do

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it here in America.

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He founded,

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he worked with other Nazis to join the

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fascist Silver Legion of America,

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which was the American version of Nazi

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brown shirts.

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um these these were real things going on

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in america that again had a fascist

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movement that had political support for

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hitler uh smith spoke out against uh he

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supported isolationism as a way to avoid

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america going to war because he wanted

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hitler to win he liked what hitler was

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doing he was anti-semitic and thought that

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the jews killed jesus and therefore

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anybody who punished the jews was a good

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christian

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Which like you can say sounds crazy.

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But the Zionist movement is supported

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predominantly by Republicans and

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Christians are not friends with Jews.

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The evangelicals who support the Zionist

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movement are supporting it because they

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want Armageddon to come about.

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Their preaching, their teaching,

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their understanding of the world ending is

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that Israel needs to be a state and

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then Armageddon happens and then God sends

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all the Jews to hell.

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Like this isn't some like, hooray,

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Christians and Jewish people getting

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along.

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This is Christians still being

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anti-Semitic

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while supporting the state of Israel

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existing as a means to God's eventual

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punishment of everyone who's not

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Christian.

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It's psychotic.

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And so these things keep building.

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He's overtly anti-Semitic.

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He likes what Hitler's doing.

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Hitler loses.

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And World War II ends.

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being a Nazi,

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not seen as a winning strategy anymore.

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And so this is when Gerald L.K.

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Smith shifts a little bit and he starts

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the Christian nationalist crusade.

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Again,

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like isolationist nationalism as sort of

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this American first thing.

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What he means by that is like white

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Christian Americans first.

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And again,

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this is why I say like the Christian

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agenda movement is proto-MAGA.

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It is

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grievance politics that has just

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bold-faced racism baked into it and you're

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not allowed to question or interrogate

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those beliefs because in America we're

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real big promoters of the idea of

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religious freedom while not actually being

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particularly big fans of protecting

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religious freedom.

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I say that as an atheist.

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And so the Christian nationalist crusade

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is a thing and Smith then comes into

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contact for really the first time with

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some of the Christian identity, uh,

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Boovers, uh, Wesley Swift, um,

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William Potter Gale,

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some of these other people who were

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members of the British Israelite movement,

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who were preachers in that movement.

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And what Smith brings to the table is

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like an organizational skill set that

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other members just didn't have.

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He had this political background.

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He had built political parties.

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He had done some of these things.

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And so he

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could sort of bring these groups together

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and do some of the PR.

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He did a lot of publishing for them.

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And so he sort of glommed on on

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the anti-Semitism of it.

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He heard Wesley Swift preach and said,

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you know,

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The true Israel gave us the Messiah and

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demonstrated.

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This is Gerald L.K.

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Smith talking about Wesley Swift.

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He identified the true Israel,

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which gave us the Messiah and demonstrated

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to me with the proper text that Christ's

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worst enemies were not God's chosen

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people.

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We were indeed Israelites.

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He demonstrated that the crucifiers of

00:24:15.202 --> 00:24:17.723
Christ were apostates, sons of Satan,

00:24:18.243 --> 00:24:19.765
and the seed of Cain.

00:24:20.836 --> 00:24:22.376
And again, that's the core teaching,

00:24:22.557 --> 00:24:24.958
is the people who killed Jesus,

00:24:26.337 --> 00:24:27.919
the Jewish people,

00:24:28.439 --> 00:24:31.119
were not God's chosen people.

00:24:31.220 --> 00:24:33.340
So again, taking Old Testament teachings,

00:24:33.961 --> 00:24:34.921
God chooses Israel,

00:24:36.082 --> 00:24:37.561
Israelites are God's chosen people,

00:24:38.201 --> 00:24:40.762
and turning that over and saying, no,

00:24:41.063 --> 00:24:42.903
the Israelites, as we understand them,

00:24:42.983 --> 00:24:44.484
are actually from Cain.

00:24:44.924 --> 00:24:47.105
They're the offshoot of...

00:24:49.161 --> 00:24:50.503
The people who killed Abel who worked

00:24:50.523 --> 00:24:51.705
against God, they killed Abel,

00:24:51.726 --> 00:24:52.548
they killed Jesus,

00:24:53.009 --> 00:24:54.432
and therefore they're offspring of Satan.

00:24:54.913 --> 00:24:56.496
Now, there's a big...

00:24:57.498 --> 00:25:01.579
long history of the seed of cain being

00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.742
used for racist ideology cotton mather

00:25:05.782 --> 00:25:07.763
wrote about it in the early foundings of

00:25:07.784 --> 00:25:10.505
the colonies and his justifications of

00:25:10.744 --> 00:25:13.666
ongoing justifications of slavery as the

00:25:13.686 --> 00:25:16.208
seed of cain was meant black people the

00:25:16.248 --> 00:25:18.409
mark of cain was a different color skin

00:25:18.489 --> 00:25:20.711
and that's why christians could

00:25:21.371 --> 00:25:23.013
be treating these people poorly while

00:25:23.034 --> 00:25:24.656
still being Christians who are loving

00:25:24.676 --> 00:25:26.079
their neighbors because you don't,

00:25:26.539 --> 00:25:27.823
that doesn't cover black people.

00:25:28.703 --> 00:25:29.665
Cotton Mather was a racist.

00:25:31.675 --> 00:25:33.817
So Gerald L.K.

00:25:33.837 --> 00:25:34.498
Smith, again,

00:25:34.698 --> 00:25:37.279
he just sort of had an organizational

00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.361
skill set that other people in this

00:25:39.421 --> 00:25:40.602
movement didn't have.

00:25:40.701 --> 00:25:43.144
And so while he wasn't able to really

00:25:43.163 --> 00:25:44.265
get a popular movement,

00:25:44.305 --> 00:25:46.925
he wasn't able to have that cult of

00:25:46.965 --> 00:25:49.167
personality to bring people to him,

00:25:49.988 --> 00:25:52.069
other people like Wesley Swift had those

00:25:52.109 --> 00:25:52.710
personalities,

00:25:52.750 --> 00:25:54.250
but not the organizational skills.

00:25:54.371 --> 00:25:56.212
And so it was sort of a mesh

00:25:56.292 --> 00:25:57.594
of different skill sets

00:25:58.233 --> 00:26:00.355
There doesn't seem to be a ton of

00:26:00.596 --> 00:26:03.076
proof beyond a few quotes here or there

00:26:03.096 --> 00:26:03.676
that Gerald L.K.

00:26:03.717 --> 00:26:06.499
Smith really bought into Christian

00:26:06.558 --> 00:26:08.819
identity teachings beyond the

00:26:08.881 --> 00:26:09.780
antisemitism.

00:26:10.441 --> 00:26:11.862
He is just there for that.

00:26:13.663 --> 00:26:15.064
He also published a bunch of...

00:26:16.549 --> 00:26:17.951
Henry Ford's writings.

00:26:18.711 --> 00:26:20.872
Henry Ford was also very anti-Semitic.

00:26:21.173 --> 00:26:21.373
Again,

00:26:21.732 --> 00:26:23.913
I could do a whole podcast episode on

00:26:24.013 --> 00:26:25.575
the lack of accountability in America,

00:26:25.674 --> 00:26:27.715
especially with pedophiles.

00:26:28.277 --> 00:26:30.337
But definitely with racists,

00:26:30.657 --> 00:26:32.459
Ford is still one of the largest

00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:34.359
manufacturers of cars.

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:36.221
That'll come to an end soon.

00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:37.801
We're seeing the death of the American car

00:26:37.862 --> 00:26:38.281
industry.

00:26:39.383 --> 00:26:41.344
But it's, yeah.

00:26:42.563 --> 00:26:44.943
smith was was a good propagandist in the

00:26:44.983 --> 00:26:46.684
sense that he had the skill set to

00:26:47.144 --> 00:26:51.627
write and publish and edit um other racist

00:26:51.667 --> 00:26:55.509
bigoted ideas i'm just including this one

00:26:55.529 --> 00:26:57.310
because it like relates to what i do

00:26:57.451 --> 00:27:01.853
he also fought against uh the alaska

00:27:01.893 --> 00:27:07.276
mental health enabling act which was a

00:27:07.415 --> 00:27:09.156
political movement to get

00:27:10.854 --> 00:27:13.375
americans in alaska better mental health

00:27:13.494 --> 00:27:19.458
care um and and this is where um

00:27:19.478 --> 00:27:22.578
world war ii has ended he sort of

00:27:22.618 --> 00:27:24.839
failed to build any sort of credible

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.441
movement he's still deeply anti-semitic he

00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:30.442
gloms on to the anti-communist sort of

00:27:30.481 --> 00:27:32.982
things alaska being particularly close to

00:27:33.042 --> 00:27:36.664
russia some of the red scare starts

00:27:36.704 --> 00:27:38.265
kicking off and so he's working against

00:27:38.345 --> 00:27:39.746
mental health because he thinks

00:27:41.306 --> 00:27:44.647
i don't know it makes people demonic to

00:27:44.667 --> 00:27:48.871
to get mental health care instead of you

00:27:48.891 --> 00:27:51.031
know going to therapy that one's still

00:27:51.051 --> 00:27:53.173
pretty popular among the american

00:27:53.212 --> 00:27:55.875
christians um but he he's the propagandist

00:27:55.914 --> 00:27:56.954
who came up with sort of calling it

00:27:56.976 --> 00:28:01.657
the uh siberia bill and tying alaska in

00:28:01.718 --> 00:28:03.920
its close proximity to russia and saying

00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.540
well it must be a communist ploy

00:28:06.201 --> 00:28:08.903
and again uh we'll move it to mccarthy

00:28:08.943 --> 00:28:11.006
now um because this is sort of the

00:28:11.026 --> 00:28:13.127
transitional period with the red scare and

00:28:13.147 --> 00:28:16.971
mccarthy's big uh family tree the root of

00:28:17.010 --> 00:28:21.414
the tree that is mega is making up

00:28:23.297 --> 00:28:26.039
just doing stuff with no actual uh backing

00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:28.082
and like getting away with it

00:28:28.786 --> 00:28:29.326
And so again,

00:28:30.247 --> 00:28:32.868
the communism as this catch-all for

00:28:32.969 --> 00:28:34.130
anything we don't like,

00:28:34.170 --> 00:28:35.990
we'll call communist without needing to

00:28:36.030 --> 00:28:38.133
define or even understand what communism

00:28:38.153 --> 00:28:40.513
is about because that's scary because it's

00:28:40.534 --> 00:28:42.556
tied to the bad people from World War

00:28:42.596 --> 00:28:42.855
II.

00:28:43.296 --> 00:28:45.698
Nazis were so bad, we couldn't label that,

00:28:45.738 --> 00:28:48.900
but we could try and go anti-communist.

00:28:49.861 --> 00:28:51.801
Last thing on Gerald L.K.

00:28:51.842 --> 00:28:54.704
Smith as we move into anti-communist hot

00:28:54.724 --> 00:28:56.506
takes from Idiots.

00:29:00.498 --> 00:29:02.199
One of his lasting legacies and one of

00:29:02.239 --> 00:29:05.921
the things that people might know him for,

00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:07.001
and probably not know him,

00:29:07.041 --> 00:29:08.382
but be able to see his work,

00:29:09.442 --> 00:29:12.003
is Christ of the Ozarks.

00:29:12.364 --> 00:29:15.385
It's a big-ass statue down in Arkansas

00:29:16.586 --> 00:29:19.147
where it's just a gigantic,

00:29:19.688 --> 00:29:21.749
pretty ugly statue of Jesus.

00:29:22.249 --> 00:29:23.150
This is not like a...

00:29:24.587 --> 00:29:25.608
the baller one,

00:29:25.669 --> 00:29:27.190
and I say this again as an atheist

00:29:27.711 --> 00:29:30.512
that's down in Brazil, this one sucks.

00:29:31.934 --> 00:29:34.217
But he worked with the,

00:29:36.378 --> 00:29:38.119
I forgot to say, famous propagandist,

00:29:39.260 --> 00:29:39.541
right?

00:29:39.662 --> 00:29:41.824
Like the sculptor who did Mount Rushmore,

00:29:41.864 --> 00:29:43.365
like you have to think in terms of

00:29:43.404 --> 00:29:44.526
that person as being a propagandist,

00:29:44.586 --> 00:29:44.846
I think.

00:29:46.690 --> 00:29:48.210
But he worked with the sculptors around

00:29:48.250 --> 00:29:49.391
Mount Rushmore, which again,

00:29:49.431 --> 00:29:54.352
like desecrated a indigenous site of some

00:29:54.471 --> 00:29:57.051
importance to put a bunch of white

00:29:57.192 --> 00:29:58.092
presidents on it.

00:29:58.392 --> 00:29:58.752
Cool.

00:29:58.932 --> 00:29:59.833
Good job, America.

00:30:00.772 --> 00:30:02.873
So there's this ugly statue down in,

00:30:02.893 --> 00:30:05.413
it's called Christ of the Ozarks down in

00:30:05.473 --> 00:30:06.114
Arkansas.

00:30:06.753 --> 00:30:12.634
And they do an anti-Semitic play of the

00:30:12.694 --> 00:30:14.455
passion of the

00:30:15.215 --> 00:30:17.616
christ returning to jerusalem into being

00:30:17.656 --> 00:30:20.338
crucified that's based off of a play that

00:30:20.358 --> 00:30:24.020
gets done once a decade in germany um

00:30:24.441 --> 00:30:32.365
it it seems uh obermergau germany i don't

00:30:32.385 --> 00:30:35.028
know i don't speak german um there's a

00:30:35.067 --> 00:30:36.808
german play it's done once a decade

00:30:37.594 --> 00:30:39.414
Hitler attended it once and said he was

00:30:39.434 --> 00:30:41.135
a big fan, which again,

00:30:41.215 --> 00:30:42.596
then people had to amend it and make

00:30:42.635 --> 00:30:44.517
it less overtly anti-Semitic.

00:30:44.557 --> 00:30:46.778
They used to have like the Sanhedrin wear

00:30:46.837 --> 00:30:48.118
horns because again,

00:30:48.138 --> 00:30:50.078
it's just an anti-Semitic play.

00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.460
But because Gerald L.K.

00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:54.060
Smith was anti-Semitic, he was like,

00:30:54.101 --> 00:30:54.941
this seems great.

00:30:55.382 --> 00:30:56.662
Built this big ass statue.

00:30:56.741 --> 00:30:59.383
Let's do this very bigoted play every year

00:30:59.462 --> 00:31:00.203
because that's cool.

00:31:01.144 --> 00:31:01.844
And it's Arkansas.

00:31:01.864 --> 00:31:04.905
So I guess we're still doing it.

00:31:04.945 --> 00:31:05.326
How fun.

00:31:08.255 --> 00:31:08.575
Gerald O.K.

00:31:08.674 --> 00:31:10.096
Smith had a bunch of other stupid ideas

00:31:10.175 --> 00:31:11.896
again he was like pretty opposed to

00:31:12.738 --> 00:31:15.318
anything that was helpful and so I think

00:31:15.638 --> 00:31:17.460
you know defended the capitalist ruling

00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.901
class and defended business and was

00:31:18.941 --> 00:31:19.922
opposed to welfare and

00:31:21.617 --> 00:31:23.278
you know, just a general idiot.

00:31:24.058 --> 00:31:27.201
But I do think that that idea of

00:31:27.280 --> 00:31:31.503
Christian identity, that Christian, uh,

00:31:31.523 --> 00:31:34.205
means American and those two things can't

00:31:34.226 --> 00:31:34.905
be separated.

00:31:35.445 --> 00:31:36.866
And that it's the,

00:31:36.886 --> 00:31:39.729
the theological definition by which

00:31:39.848 --> 00:31:43.931
Americans can claim with no backing,

00:31:43.971 --> 00:31:44.592
no proof,

00:31:44.692 --> 00:31:46.833
no theological understanding or debate

00:31:47.354 --> 00:31:49.214
that they are God's chosen people.

00:31:49.615 --> 00:31:51.096
And I think that matters.

00:31:51.316 --> 00:31:51.395
Uh,

00:31:52.195 --> 00:31:53.997
And again, being anti-Semitic,

00:31:54.017 --> 00:31:56.439
being an overt Nazi became unpopular.

00:31:56.538 --> 00:31:58.140
And so he had to move to a

00:31:59.740 --> 00:32:00.821
communist rhetoric,

00:32:01.221 --> 00:32:02.803
which brings us to another famous

00:32:02.942 --> 00:32:08.366
Wisconsinite, one Joseph McCarthy.

00:32:08.386 --> 00:32:09.446
I think most people, again,

00:32:09.507 --> 00:32:10.268
are going to know him.

00:32:10.768 --> 00:32:12.048
I went to Lutheran schools.

00:32:12.148 --> 00:32:15.351
You want to talk about unaccounted people

00:32:15.371 --> 00:32:16.791
who have lacked accountability for their

00:32:16.852 --> 00:32:17.573
anti-Semitism?

00:32:17.732 --> 00:32:18.472
Martin Luther.

00:32:19.493 --> 00:32:20.734
Why are we still using his name?

00:32:21.758 --> 00:32:24.138
Anyway, pretty famous anti-Semite,

00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:26.161
especially at the end of his career.

00:32:26.221 --> 00:32:29.163
He wrote a bunch of talking points on

00:32:29.202 --> 00:32:31.784
how to discredit and blame the Jews for

00:32:33.164 --> 00:32:38.367
killing Jesus that the Nazis used in the

00:32:38.387 --> 00:32:38.887
Holocaust.

00:32:39.409 --> 00:32:42.390
Luther directly was quoted in that

00:32:42.431 --> 00:32:42.851
process.

00:32:43.685 --> 00:32:44.526
Anyway, that's fun.

00:32:45.467 --> 00:32:46.586
So I was raised Lutheran,

00:32:46.626 --> 00:32:48.067
which again is not going to give you

00:32:48.268 --> 00:32:51.568
much education around, hey,

00:32:51.608 --> 00:32:53.250
these are anti-Semites.

00:32:53.289 --> 00:32:55.451
They're bad people because, you know,

00:32:55.510 --> 00:32:58.632
didn't do any work to disengage their own

00:32:58.672 --> 00:33:04.555
heritage from anti-Semite Martin Luther.

00:33:04.615 --> 00:33:05.474
Joseph McCarthy.

00:33:07.728 --> 00:33:08.347
McCarthyism.

00:33:08.887 --> 00:33:10.229
Again, even in my Lutheran schooling,

00:33:10.308 --> 00:33:11.769
I learned about Joseph McCarthy and the

00:33:11.808 --> 00:33:13.528
Red Scare and McCarthyism because it was

00:33:13.548 --> 00:33:15.190
considered bad.

00:33:16.369 --> 00:33:16.650
But again,

00:33:16.910 --> 00:33:19.330
I don't think we did much to learn

00:33:19.431 --> 00:33:21.951
or grow the story of America.

00:33:22.290 --> 00:33:24.051
We didn't end colonization.

00:33:24.751 --> 00:33:25.832
We didn't end slavery.

00:33:27.492 --> 00:33:28.752
We didn't end racism.

00:33:29.333 --> 00:33:31.074
We just sort of let these things hang

00:33:31.094 --> 00:33:35.535
around until we have state-sponsored

00:33:35.875 --> 00:33:37.194
executions in the streets.

00:33:38.751 --> 00:33:41.232
Anyway, McCarthy is from Wisconsin.

00:33:41.272 --> 00:33:42.292
He was a senator here.

00:33:42.353 --> 00:33:45.034
He served as a judge here for a

00:33:45.074 --> 00:33:45.315
while.

00:33:45.335 --> 00:33:47.134
He went to Marquette Law School.

00:33:47.295 --> 00:33:49.576
It's where he got his law degree before

00:33:49.615 --> 00:33:50.436
becoming a judge.

00:33:50.737 --> 00:33:52.636
I went to Marquette.

00:33:52.737 --> 00:33:54.397
I said earlier my alma mater was

00:33:54.458 --> 00:33:55.618
University of Minnesota Twin Cities.

00:33:56.118 --> 00:33:57.459
I don't know what term,

00:33:57.980 --> 00:33:59.940
also alma mater or grad school,

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.622
but I went to grad school at Marquette.

00:34:04.041 --> 00:34:05.863
No recognition of Joseph McCarthy on

00:34:05.923 --> 00:34:06.242
campus.

00:34:06.942 --> 00:34:08.204
Again, falling out of favor.

00:34:08.885 --> 00:34:11.086
McCarthy was just like a fucking liar.

00:34:11.646 --> 00:34:12.668
And I think, again,

00:34:14.090 --> 00:34:15.650
this is important in understanding the

00:34:15.690 --> 00:34:17.813
MAGA family tree because there's a lot of

00:34:17.853 --> 00:34:20.735
fear-mongering that requires zero

00:34:20.876 --> 00:34:21.456
evidence.

00:34:22.036 --> 00:34:23.518
And I think McCarthy is one of the

00:34:23.577 --> 00:34:25.420
first people to really do that.

00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.722
And the direct tie is McCarthy and Roy

00:34:27.762 --> 00:34:28.682
Cohn worked together

00:34:29.103 --> 00:34:32.387
and then Roy Cohn leading into Roger Stone

00:34:32.467 --> 00:34:34.548
and Donald Trump is a direct connection.

00:34:35.148 --> 00:34:37.791
And so that family tree feels if we

00:34:37.831 --> 00:34:39.313
have sort of Christian identity,

00:34:40.313 --> 00:34:42.195
you got three roots in the tree of

00:34:42.235 --> 00:34:44.177
Christian identity is sort of one of the

00:34:44.237 --> 00:34:46.077
offshoot roots.

00:34:46.117 --> 00:34:47.860
And then you're gonna have the moral

00:34:47.900 --> 00:34:48.400
majority

00:34:49.260 --> 00:34:51.202
is less offshoot but like i think

00:34:51.222 --> 00:34:52.923
mccarthyism is sort of that center shoot

00:34:52.963 --> 00:34:56.967
because it is that direct connection from

00:34:57.146 --> 00:34:59.909
roy cone to roger stone to donald trump

00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:03.291
is again like i guess two degrees of

00:35:03.331 --> 00:35:05.873
separation but trump knew cone or there's

00:35:05.893 --> 00:35:08.516
some overlap there so one degree of

00:35:08.556 --> 00:35:12.179
separation um but yeah mccarthy's whole

00:35:12.219 --> 00:35:14.721
career sort of based on like grandiose

00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:15.402
lies that

00:35:16.701 --> 00:35:18.862
have been easily proven wrong and he just

00:35:18.902 --> 00:35:20.704
like committed to the bit and sort of

00:35:20.724 --> 00:35:22.505
got away with it which again i think

00:35:22.606 --> 00:35:26.608
explains a lot about donald trump um again

00:35:26.708 --> 00:35:28.630
sort of the roy cone school of thought

00:35:28.731 --> 00:35:30.472
around republican politics is like just

00:35:30.612 --> 00:35:36.056
never admit anything and so yeah again we

00:35:36.097 --> 00:35:38.298
see sort of some of these things um

00:35:39.115 --> 00:35:42.876
But McCarthy first won his first judicial

00:35:43.856 --> 00:35:46.797
position by just lying about how old his

00:35:46.878 --> 00:35:47.597
opponent was.

00:35:47.637 --> 00:35:49.478
His opponent was sixty six and McCarthy

00:35:49.498 --> 00:35:51.059
was a young man at the time.

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:51.980
And McCarthy was like,

00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.500
this old doddering fool is too old.

00:35:54.539 --> 00:35:55.960
He's seventy three years old.

00:35:56.061 --> 00:35:57.101
Can you believe that?

00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:00.150
Seventy three.

00:36:00.811 --> 00:36:01.411
Seventy three.

00:36:01.873 --> 00:36:03.833
Not lying about somebody's age was only

00:36:03.893 --> 00:36:04.514
sixty six,

00:36:04.775 --> 00:36:06.617
but also just seventy three was

00:36:06.697 --> 00:36:09.159
disqualifying from getting elected.

00:36:09.278 --> 00:36:10.239
What a simple time.

00:36:11.021 --> 00:36:11.822
What a simple time.

00:36:13.222 --> 00:36:13.563
So, again,

00:36:13.603 --> 00:36:15.065
like just something that was like

00:36:15.105 --> 00:36:16.826
understood to be wrong and that he just

00:36:16.865 --> 00:36:18.146
bold faced lied about and then.

00:36:19.126 --> 00:36:19.766
were still here.

00:36:20.547 --> 00:36:21.568
He still got the position.

00:36:22.047 --> 00:36:24.048
He then joined the Marines and went to

00:36:24.108 --> 00:36:26.168
war, which he wasn't supposed to.

00:36:26.228 --> 00:36:27.449
Judges are not supposed to be able to

00:36:27.469 --> 00:36:28.309
serve in the military.

00:36:28.909 --> 00:36:30.369
Again, just a whole bunch of stuff.

00:36:31.451 --> 00:36:34.271
And McCarthy had a tie to gambling,

00:36:34.891 --> 00:36:37.273
which not what you want from your judges,

00:36:37.532 --> 00:36:37.753
right?

00:36:37.873 --> 00:36:38.293
That's not

00:36:40.981 --> 00:36:41.762
That's not good.

00:36:41.782 --> 00:36:43.262
It's not a surprise,

00:36:43.543 --> 00:36:45.583
but also it's not great.

00:36:46.764 --> 00:36:47.545
He served in the Marine,

00:36:47.565 --> 00:36:48.846
didn't really see much action,

00:36:48.885 --> 00:36:51.307
but then continued to do the grandiose

00:36:51.347 --> 00:36:53.570
sort of lying thing where he talks about

00:36:54.722 --> 00:36:56.445
being shot, which didn't happen.

00:36:56.525 --> 00:36:59.025
He got injured during a celebration for

00:36:59.085 --> 00:37:01.047
crossing the equator for the first time

00:37:01.628 --> 00:37:03.048
while on a naval ship,

00:37:03.889 --> 00:37:05.791
but claimed to have been injured in the

00:37:05.831 --> 00:37:06.371
war,

00:37:07.192 --> 00:37:09.693
claimed a bunch of medals and honors that

00:37:09.713 --> 00:37:10.414
weren't his.

00:37:10.815 --> 00:37:13.996
He worked under a general and McCarthy

00:37:14.378 --> 00:37:15.798
prepared a lot of things for the general

00:37:15.818 --> 00:37:16.278
to sign.

00:37:16.318 --> 00:37:17.420
And so the general would just sign him.

00:37:17.900 --> 00:37:20.061
And so McCarthy wrote his own letter of

00:37:20.382 --> 00:37:22.063
recommendation for some of the awards,

00:37:22.163 --> 00:37:22.802
some of the medals,

00:37:22.862 --> 00:37:23.862
and then the general just signed it.

00:37:24.123 --> 00:37:25.244
Again, just like,

00:37:25.264 --> 00:37:27.324
dude was just a bold-faced liar and sort

00:37:27.364 --> 00:37:28.505
of kept getting away with it.

00:37:28.985 --> 00:37:29.664
Now, to me,

00:37:29.704 --> 00:37:32.065
that speaks of some degree of charisma.

00:37:32.527 --> 00:37:35.527
The con man is very hard to pull

00:37:35.628 --> 00:37:36.967
off if you're not interesting and

00:37:36.987 --> 00:37:37.788
charismatic.

00:37:37.909 --> 00:37:42.389
And so sort of where people start to

00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:43.791
know McCarthy is from

00:37:44.746 --> 00:37:47.949
not that stuff but actually his um work

00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:49.590
in the senate and again some of the

00:37:49.610 --> 00:37:52.152
stuff i think could have should have been

00:37:52.233 --> 00:37:57.277
disqualifying um we we don't do a good

00:37:57.317 --> 00:38:00.760
job of putting our best forward here in

00:38:00.800 --> 00:38:04.623
america to be politicians um and so uh

00:38:05.143 --> 00:38:08.385
mccarthy had like an unknown sum of money

00:38:09.367 --> 00:38:09.606
read

00:38:10.954 --> 00:38:13.934
was tied to gambling earlier in his life

00:38:14.655 --> 00:38:17.496
um but so uh post-war and coming out

00:38:17.536 --> 00:38:19.315
of the military he had just like a

00:38:19.335 --> 00:38:21.177
ton of money and couldn't really explain

00:38:21.197 --> 00:38:23.737
where it came from uh the stock market

00:38:23.836 --> 00:38:25.898
is what he went with but again had

00:38:25.918 --> 00:38:27.137
to get that much money in the stock

00:38:27.157 --> 00:38:28.559
market in the first place no one knows

00:38:29.219 --> 00:38:32.559
gambling um and so he

00:38:33.942 --> 00:38:35.862
ran for Senate and won,

00:38:36.342 --> 00:38:38.503
trying to do like the war hero sort

00:38:38.543 --> 00:38:41.264
of thing, doing the populist thing.

00:38:41.364 --> 00:38:43.724
He was pro-union and had a lot of

00:38:44.384 --> 00:38:47.684
workers who were invested in supporting

00:38:47.724 --> 00:38:47.925
him.

00:38:48.164 --> 00:38:52.545
And so he won like sixty one percent

00:38:52.565 --> 00:38:54.266
of the vote to become a senator.

00:38:54.987 --> 00:38:58.527
And he got into the Senate and basically

00:38:58.867 --> 00:39:01.688
got put on a committee and started what

00:39:01.768 --> 00:39:03.108
Trump would call a witch hunt.

00:39:04.068 --> 00:39:06.650
um but he started all the red scare

00:39:06.670 --> 00:39:10.391
the communism things he gave a speech

00:39:10.451 --> 00:39:14.032
where with no founding of this claim

00:39:14.072 --> 00:39:16.233
claimed there were a bunch of communists

00:39:16.733 --> 00:39:18.954
working in the government um and then like

00:39:18.994 --> 00:39:20.373
just kept getting wilder and wilder it

00:39:20.393 --> 00:39:22.094
started with like fifty some then it was

00:39:22.235 --> 00:39:24.034
eighty some and then it was two hundred

00:39:24.735 --> 00:39:26.536
um claims about this and like

00:39:26.795 --> 00:39:29.619
got Senate investigations to run and

00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:30.679
investigate people.

00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:32.981
It ruined the careers of a lot of

00:39:33.021 --> 00:39:35.764
politicians and created, again,

00:39:35.784 --> 00:39:36.885
the Red Scare.

00:39:37.547 --> 00:39:40.130
He was sort of the driver of all

00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:42.492
of these people can be held in check

00:39:42.532 --> 00:39:44.954
if we accuse them of communism.

00:39:44.994 --> 00:39:45.414
He was also

00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:48.873
uh seemed to be a bigot against uh

00:39:48.954 --> 00:39:51.295
anti he was anti-semitic also probably

00:39:51.356 --> 00:39:55.221
racist and um definitely like opposed to

00:39:55.340 --> 00:39:59.927
homosexuality and so um again like if you

00:39:59.947 --> 00:40:03.951
look at the gop as gaslight uh obstruct

00:40:04.030 --> 00:40:04.751
project

00:40:05.608 --> 00:40:07.449
the projection again is McCarthy.

00:40:07.610 --> 00:40:10.329
He was accused by various people of being

00:40:10.369 --> 00:40:13.670
gay himself, or probably at least by,

00:40:13.710 --> 00:40:16.371
because he also was credibly accused of

00:40:17.871 --> 00:40:19.552
sexual assault of minors,

00:40:20.652 --> 00:40:22.313
of underaged girls.

00:40:22.574 --> 00:40:24.813
And so, especially when drinking and like,

00:40:24.954 --> 00:40:29.155
again, sort of hand waved away.

00:40:29.215 --> 00:40:30.275
Like it's a thing that's in his

00:40:30.295 --> 00:40:32.436
biographies from back then.

00:40:32.516 --> 00:40:33.677
Like this wasn't something that,

00:40:34.291 --> 00:40:38.576
wasn't known um and the fbi had major

00:40:38.655 --> 00:40:40.237
issues there but again it's it's sort of

00:40:40.277 --> 00:40:41.699
that weird what we see in meg and

00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:44.322
now where mccarthy sort of rose to fame

00:40:44.362 --> 00:40:46.224
saying you can't trust the government it's

00:40:46.284 --> 00:40:51.028
corrupt it is full of spies and espionage

00:40:51.048 --> 00:40:52.811
and you can't trust it and then he

00:40:52.851 --> 00:40:55.092
turned around and used the government as

00:40:55.112 --> 00:40:55.914
the cudgel to

00:40:56.474 --> 00:40:59.474
sort of arrest, investigate,

00:40:59.655 --> 00:41:01.635
and to generally harass people that he

00:41:01.675 --> 00:41:03.956
didn't like without really any sort of

00:41:04.016 --> 00:41:04.556
founding.

00:41:05.197 --> 00:41:07.838
And so we also see corruption,

00:41:08.257 --> 00:41:11.079
not at the scale it is today, America,

00:41:12.179 --> 00:41:14.139
but he took a ton of money from

00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:14.981
various interests.

00:41:15.021 --> 00:41:15.981
And what started out as sort of a

00:41:16.061 --> 00:41:17.862
populist pro-union guy became very

00:41:17.942 --> 00:41:20.382
pro-business as he took bribes,

00:41:21.063 --> 00:41:22.724
as a regular person would understand them.

00:41:25.003 --> 00:41:27.445
Advocacy is how it was talked about back

00:41:27.485 --> 00:41:27.804
then,

00:41:27.844 --> 00:41:31.206
but he took tens of thousands of dollars

00:41:31.266 --> 00:41:34.969
from the Pepsi Corporation to shut down

00:41:35.250 --> 00:41:37.351
limitations on sugar and things.

00:41:39.193 --> 00:41:41.414
He fought against unions and labor

00:41:41.434 --> 00:41:43.175
movements back then.

00:41:43.335 --> 00:41:45.137
And so he got famous for sort of

00:41:45.157 --> 00:41:46.777
the Red Scare, but he,

00:41:46.958 --> 00:41:47.778
even as that

00:41:48.619 --> 00:41:50.960
lost its steam and lost credibility as it

00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:53.302
became just again like an actual witch

00:41:53.362 --> 00:41:56.403
hunt um he fought against affordable

00:41:56.423 --> 00:41:58.105
housing he fought against all these things

00:41:58.385 --> 00:41:59.646
because he was in the pocket of big

00:41:59.726 --> 00:42:03.568
business and so um we have sort of

00:42:03.829 --> 00:42:04.048
uh

00:42:05.253 --> 00:42:08.614
That projection and that fear mongering

00:42:08.634 --> 00:42:10.375
that, again, doesn't need to be justified.

00:42:10.434 --> 00:42:12.655
It hits on an emotional level and then

00:42:13.034 --> 00:42:15.056
never backed up by anything.

00:42:15.536 --> 00:42:17.237
And one of the things with

00:42:17.277 --> 00:42:19.617
authoritarianism and certainly fascism is

00:42:19.657 --> 00:42:20.777
you always need an enemy.

00:42:21.177 --> 00:42:23.637
And what happens where sort of the idea

00:42:23.657 --> 00:42:25.318
that fascism always comes home,

00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.780
but people who study history will talk

00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.240
about that the enemy within fascism

00:42:33.307 --> 00:42:33.967
is part of it.

00:42:34.007 --> 00:42:35.728
You need an in-group and out-group.

00:42:35.889 --> 00:42:38.190
And when you run out of out-groups out

00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:40.170
there, you look inward.

00:42:40.210 --> 00:42:42.851
And so McCarthyism was sort of this idea

00:42:42.911 --> 00:42:45.291
of like, you can't trust the government.

00:42:45.311 --> 00:42:46.373
You can't trust your neighbor.

00:42:46.472 --> 00:42:48.713
Anybody could be a communist spy.

00:42:49.693 --> 00:42:50.974
and so i think we have that fear

00:42:50.994 --> 00:42:52.597
mongering with mega and like none of that

00:42:52.777 --> 00:42:55.039
was ever sort of like backed up like

00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.960
mccarthyism didn't lead to a ton of

00:42:58.001 --> 00:43:00.202
arrests or a ton of like sweeping change

00:43:00.262 --> 00:43:01.784
but it did get a lot of media

00:43:01.824 --> 00:43:04.525
coverage it was um something that ruined

00:43:04.585 --> 00:43:07.369
people's careers and every time things

00:43:07.389 --> 00:43:08.769
would get bogged down you just accused

00:43:08.809 --> 00:43:11.552
someone else and so i think again that

00:43:11.572 --> 00:43:13.574
understanding of sort of the roy cone to

00:43:13.634 --> 00:43:14.655
trump thing where it's like

00:43:14.974 --> 00:43:17.155
Never admit anything that's wrong and just

00:43:17.255 --> 00:43:18.655
always keep plowing forward.

00:43:19.596 --> 00:43:19.835
Again,

00:43:19.936 --> 00:43:21.815
I'll talk regularly about Trump being in

00:43:21.835 --> 00:43:24.077
the WWE Hall of Fame as a celebrity

00:43:24.097 --> 00:43:24.396
member.

00:43:25.376 --> 00:43:27.878
That sort of controversy creates cash

00:43:27.938 --> 00:43:28.577
mentality,

00:43:28.617 --> 00:43:30.858
that carny mentality of pro wrestling.

00:43:31.297 --> 00:43:32.777
But that's a Roy Cohn thing, too,

00:43:32.838 --> 00:43:36.318
of just sort of a new crisis gets

00:43:36.438 --> 00:43:38.579
the people to stop talking about the other

00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.260
crisis and that's worth it.

00:43:41.655 --> 00:43:43.036
And so that was sort of McCarthy too,

00:43:43.056 --> 00:43:44.719
is he just sort of went from one

00:43:44.759 --> 00:43:46.219
thing to another when it's not working,

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.581
just accuse someone else and start a new

00:43:48.601 --> 00:43:49.121
thing.

00:43:49.222 --> 00:43:52.744
And so he was elected again with a

00:43:52.844 --> 00:43:55.427
lower win rate, lower than Eisenhower,

00:43:55.467 --> 00:43:57.690
who's a Republican, won the state.

00:43:58.230 --> 00:43:59.971
So again, we can see him being...

00:44:00.672 --> 00:44:04.717
pretty unpopular, eking out a win.

00:44:05.277 --> 00:44:08.059
And then he shifts from like union stuff

00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:10.402
to big business and gets tied into the

00:44:10.463 --> 00:44:11.523
Kennedy family.

00:44:12.005 --> 00:44:12.385
So again,

00:44:12.565 --> 00:44:15.268
this is not like Illuminati level

00:44:15.307 --> 00:44:16.409
conspiracies.

00:44:16.909 --> 00:44:17.931
And I'm certainly not like...

00:44:19.007 --> 00:44:20.047
I mean, I'm not a Democrat,

00:44:20.268 --> 00:44:22.668
but I'm neither political party.

00:44:22.688 --> 00:44:24.530
We don't have a leftist political party

00:44:24.710 --> 00:44:25.929
enough for me here in America.

00:44:26.570 --> 00:44:27.951
But this isn't like some blue and on

00:44:28.010 --> 00:44:28.650
shit either.

00:44:28.690 --> 00:44:30.150
Like this is just like, yeah,

00:44:30.170 --> 00:44:31.831
this is all like wealth accumulation has

00:44:31.871 --> 00:44:32.711
happened in America.

00:44:33.692 --> 00:44:36.012
The coup to end democracy in America,

00:44:36.353 --> 00:44:36.612
again,

00:44:36.793 --> 00:44:37.994
I would argue started with the moral

00:44:38.034 --> 00:44:39.393
majority in the seventies.

00:44:39.909 --> 00:44:42.710
But these were some precursors even to

00:44:42.751 --> 00:44:44.452
that that build the foundation that the

00:44:44.532 --> 00:44:46.213
moral majority capitalized on.

00:44:46.253 --> 00:44:48.534
So this is how we start to shift

00:44:48.574 --> 00:44:49.375
to Paul Wyrick.

00:44:49.454 --> 00:44:51.936
But before we move to Paul Wyrick and

00:44:51.956 --> 00:44:52.737
the moral majority,

00:44:53.478 --> 00:44:55.778
what we have with McCarthy is the Kennedy

00:44:55.818 --> 00:44:58.280
family and Kennedy senior, right?

00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:05.485
So JFK's dad is actually who Joseph

00:45:05.505 --> 00:45:06.585
McCarthy linked up with.

00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:13.213
kathleen kennedy's uh godparent and i i

00:45:13.253 --> 00:45:15.373
think that's been debunked but again like

00:45:15.393 --> 00:45:17.034
he talked about it he's again sort of

00:45:17.054 --> 00:45:19.976
this like grandiose liar uh but the

00:45:20.016 --> 00:45:21.617
kennedys gave him a bunch of money

00:45:21.657 --> 00:45:23.378
supported a bunch of stuff so even though

00:45:23.418 --> 00:45:25.818
he was sort of floundering on policies and

00:45:25.938 --> 00:45:29.940
unpopular um he was raking in money and

00:45:30.282 --> 00:45:32.443
again like getting political connections

00:45:32.543 --> 00:45:35.164
and doing a bunch of stuff where um

00:45:36.496 --> 00:45:40.001
other political movers and shakers used

00:45:40.061 --> 00:45:42.764
him um the kennedy family specifically

00:45:42.784 --> 00:45:45.967
used him as an example uh to to

00:45:45.987 --> 00:45:49.471
just to soak up a lot of anti-catholic

00:45:50.090 --> 00:45:52.673
sentiment in america so that then somebody

00:45:52.713 --> 00:45:55.998
who was catholic like jfk could run and

00:45:56.077 --> 00:45:58.079
eventually win and so um

00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:02.322
yeah it's an interesting again sort of not

00:46:02.461 --> 00:46:04.663
digging into every historical facet and

00:46:04.702 --> 00:46:05.822
certainly not being somebody who's

00:46:05.862 --> 00:46:08.063
well-versed in politics i didn't learn

00:46:08.123 --> 00:46:10.085
much of this stuff in again my very

00:46:10.306 --> 00:46:13.507
religious upbringing uh but when we look

00:46:13.646 --> 00:46:15.989
at sort of what's the environment what's

00:46:16.009 --> 00:46:17.909
the ecosystem that some of these things

00:46:18.389 --> 00:46:20.130
grew out of in america we can certainly

00:46:20.170 --> 00:46:20.530
see how

00:46:21.271 --> 00:46:24.012
the red scare, make threats,

00:46:24.153 --> 00:46:26.735
make wild accusations and never back

00:46:26.795 --> 00:46:27.536
anything up.

00:46:27.856 --> 00:46:29.056
That pairs really well with modern

00:46:29.478 --> 00:46:31.259
Trumpism and that paired really well where

00:46:31.298 --> 00:46:32.219
Paul Weyrich comes in,

00:46:33.179 --> 00:46:34.902
the moral majority with the evangelical

00:46:34.942 --> 00:46:37.543
community the religious right has already

00:46:37.563 --> 00:46:40.847
been primed for centuries to believe

00:46:40.867 --> 00:46:43.969
things without evidence so if we want a

00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:46.472
fear-mongering tactic tactic if we want to

00:46:46.492 --> 00:46:49.514
have this agenda that we make wild

00:46:49.576 --> 00:46:51.257
accusations and we say these crazy

00:46:51.297 --> 00:46:53.018
over-the-top things but never offer any

00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:54.699
evidence for them well

00:46:55.561 --> 00:46:57.483
here's our audience it's it's christians

00:46:57.523 --> 00:46:59.864
it's evangelicals um and catholics you

00:46:59.885 --> 00:47:03.047
know catholicism more than but certainly

00:47:03.268 --> 00:47:06.449
uh christians now now paul wyrick is i

00:47:06.469 --> 00:47:11.134
i don't think a well-known name but he

00:47:11.253 --> 00:47:14.036
co-founded the heritage foundation uh he

00:47:14.056 --> 00:47:16.639
was a huge part in getting reagan elected

00:47:16.759 --> 00:47:18.760
he worked with some of the other big

00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:22.163
figures again of the moral majority the

00:47:22.182 --> 00:47:24.224
jerry falwells of the world like

00:47:25.619 --> 00:47:28.960
These were the guys who were sharing room,

00:47:29.019 --> 00:47:30.420
who were sitting down and figuring out

00:47:31.260 --> 00:47:32.019
policy.

00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.820
And so Weirich coined the term moral

00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:36.300
majority.

00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:38.762
Weirich was not charismatic,

00:47:38.802 --> 00:47:40.161
if you've ever seen him speak.

00:47:40.222 --> 00:47:41.661
He's not an interesting speaker.

00:47:42.101 --> 00:47:43.083
Dorky looking dude,

00:47:43.222 --> 00:47:46.123
the big thick seventies glasses.

00:47:48.463 --> 00:47:50.143
Yeah, he was a religious weirdo,

00:47:50.224 --> 00:47:51.204
not an evangelical.

00:47:51.244 --> 00:47:52.324
He was also Catholic.

00:47:53.164 --> 00:47:54.204
Born in Racine.

00:47:56.054 --> 00:47:57.795
for our Wisconsin connection here.

00:47:59.177 --> 00:48:00.398
His dad was an immigrant.

00:48:00.878 --> 00:48:02.918
McCarthy too was like a recent immigrant.

00:48:02.980 --> 00:48:06.802
I was sort of surprised the heritage here

00:48:07.001 --> 00:48:08.182
of so many people.

00:48:08.362 --> 00:48:09.824
Again, I think that's just projection,

00:48:09.903 --> 00:48:10.164
right?

00:48:10.244 --> 00:48:13.146
Like so many of these people who were

00:48:13.166 --> 00:48:15.387
shouting about patriotism were like a

00:48:15.407 --> 00:48:17.349
generation removed from being an immigrant

00:48:17.409 --> 00:48:17.748
family.

00:48:21.050 --> 00:48:24.391
So Wyrick, again, not a charisma dude,

00:48:24.711 --> 00:48:27.393
but sort of similar to Gerald LK Smith

00:48:27.893 --> 00:48:30.235
in that he understood sort of the PR

00:48:30.275 --> 00:48:30.994
side of things.

00:48:31.054 --> 00:48:32.655
Wyrick started as a journalist.

00:48:33.737 --> 00:48:36.478
He worked as a political reporter for the

00:48:36.498 --> 00:48:37.818
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel here in

00:48:37.838 --> 00:48:38.418
Milwaukee.

00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:40.621
He was a political reporter.

00:48:40.721 --> 00:48:42.121
He worked TV.

00:48:42.181 --> 00:48:44.702
He was a political correspondent for a

00:48:44.762 --> 00:48:46.083
local TV station.

00:48:46.643 --> 00:48:49.125
And he worked as a political correspondent

00:48:49.144 --> 00:48:50.065
for local radio.

00:48:50.865 --> 00:48:52.847
um before moving to news director out in

00:48:52.887 --> 00:48:55.849
denver and then again moving into sort of

00:48:55.869 --> 00:48:57.831
the political scene with the moral

00:48:57.871 --> 00:49:02.655
majority and so um after moving to denver

00:49:02.815 --> 00:49:05.637
and being a director for radio out there

00:49:05.777 --> 00:49:09.701
he connected to the coors family yep that

00:49:09.721 --> 00:49:11.342
coors family the ones who own

00:49:12.295 --> 00:49:13.175
Who is brewing?

00:49:13.856 --> 00:49:17.157
And so he came into contact with people

00:49:17.177 --> 00:49:19.097
who had a lot of money and he

00:49:19.157 --> 00:49:21.918
sort of heard some of their frustrations

00:49:21.958 --> 00:49:23.059
and tapped into that and said, well,

00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:23.559
you know,

00:49:24.661 --> 00:49:27.184
if you were willing to fund a think

00:49:27.224 --> 00:49:27.543
tank,

00:49:27.583 --> 00:49:29.666
we could work to do some of these

00:49:29.706 --> 00:49:30.126
things.

00:49:30.686 --> 00:49:31.967
And his first attempt didn't really go

00:49:32.027 --> 00:49:32.327
anywhere,

00:49:32.367 --> 00:49:35.409
but eventually then became the Heritage

00:49:35.429 --> 00:49:35.929
Foundation.

00:49:36.550 --> 00:49:39.873
And so the Heritage Foundation,

00:49:39.972 --> 00:49:43.976
with a lot of wealthy person money backing

00:49:44.016 --> 00:49:45.317
it, became the think tank.

00:49:45.757 --> 00:49:48.519
that we know today as the authors of

00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:49.561
Project twenty twenty five.

00:49:49.601 --> 00:49:52.184
But like I would argue as as the

00:49:52.523 --> 00:49:54.525
long running coup to end American

00:49:54.565 --> 00:50:00.411
democracy and build the theocracy started

00:50:00.612 --> 00:50:02.894
then in nineteen seventy three.

00:50:04.251 --> 00:50:06.112
And so that's the Heritage Foundation and

00:50:06.172 --> 00:50:08.833
MAGA just sort of as like the culmination

00:50:08.914 --> 00:50:09.614
of a lot of that.

00:50:10.434 --> 00:50:13.235
What Wyrick did was said, hey,

00:50:13.315 --> 00:50:15.735
a lot of our overt racism is unpopular.

00:50:16.556 --> 00:50:19.757
He was not opposed to the racism.

00:50:20.177 --> 00:50:21.398
He didn't like the messaging around it

00:50:21.418 --> 00:50:22.418
because he didn't think it was winning.

00:50:22.918 --> 00:50:27.099
And so here's a fun quote for Wyrick.

00:50:28.420 --> 00:50:29.179
Let's remember

00:50:30.286 --> 00:50:31.507
that the religious right did not come

00:50:31.547 --> 00:50:33.447
together in response to the Roe decision.

00:50:33.927 --> 00:50:34.208
No,

00:50:34.648 --> 00:50:36.088
what got us going as the political

00:50:36.128 --> 00:50:37.728
movement was the attempt on the part of

00:50:37.768 --> 00:50:41.329
the internal revenue system, the IRS,

00:50:41.369 --> 00:50:43.610
to rescind the tax-exempt status of Bob

00:50:43.670 --> 00:50:46.192
Jones University because of its racially

00:50:46.211 --> 00:50:48.793
discriminatory practices.

00:50:49.932 --> 00:50:52.614
The religious right didn't rally around

00:50:52.753 --> 00:50:53.094
Roe.

00:50:54.181 --> 00:50:55.661
even though that became the rallying cry,

00:50:55.681 --> 00:50:56.101
which again,

00:50:56.121 --> 00:50:57.742
we saw the culmination of with the

00:50:57.802 --> 00:50:59.103
overturning of Roe v. Wade,

00:50:59.483 --> 00:51:05.246
that they led with abortion as a Christian

00:51:05.286 --> 00:51:05.706
concern.

00:51:05.827 --> 00:51:08.528
It never was until and then it became

00:51:08.548 --> 00:51:10.730
a political concern as a way to get

00:51:10.789 --> 00:51:13.532
people who were opposed to desegregation.

00:51:14.472 --> 00:51:16.032
Bob Jones University refused to

00:51:16.052 --> 00:51:18.454
desegregate and the IRS was said, well,

00:51:18.474 --> 00:51:19.954
then you don't get to run as a

00:51:20.014 --> 00:51:21.755
tax exempt religious institution.

00:51:21.795 --> 00:51:23.157
You'll just have to pay taxes and

00:51:25.514 --> 00:51:26.514
that's what it'll be.

00:51:26.635 --> 00:51:29.018
And so like Wyrick said, yeah,

00:51:29.038 --> 00:51:31.079
that's a losing strategy to fight that.

00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.161
We're gonna go after abortion.

00:51:33.822 --> 00:51:34.262
And so,

00:51:37.088 --> 00:51:39.829
early supporter of voter suppression in,

00:51:40.150 --> 00:51:41.552
you know, nineteen eighty.

00:51:41.612 --> 00:51:41.972
He's saying,

00:51:42.012 --> 00:51:43.112
I don't want everybody to vote.

00:51:43.213 --> 00:51:44.775
Elections are not won by a majority of

00:51:44.815 --> 00:51:45.155
people.

00:51:45.195 --> 00:51:47.197
They never have been and they are not

00:51:47.257 --> 00:51:47.516
now.

00:51:47.577 --> 00:51:48.358
As a matter of fact,

00:51:48.418 --> 00:51:50.360
our leverage in the elections quite

00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.621
candidly goes up as the voting populace

00:51:52.661 --> 00:51:53.402
goes down.

00:51:53.943 --> 00:51:54.123
Again,

00:51:54.143 --> 00:51:57.786
this is somebody who was fundamental in

00:51:57.826 --> 00:51:59.007
building the Heritage Foundation.

00:51:59.568 --> 00:52:00.447
And again, like

00:52:01.329 --> 00:52:03.490
of fifty years of working on voter

00:52:03.510 --> 00:52:04.070
suppression.

00:52:04.572 --> 00:52:07.373
How did Trump win in twenty twenty four?

00:52:07.693 --> 00:52:10.536
Seven million fewer people voted.

00:52:11.036 --> 00:52:11.137
Now,

00:52:11.157 --> 00:52:14.139
that's not entirely true that they did

00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:15.840
vote and their votes weren't counted.

00:52:16.702 --> 00:52:19.463
And so we see not that Weirich was

00:52:19.483 --> 00:52:20.264
still around then,

00:52:20.304 --> 00:52:23.726
but that he was somebody who worked to

00:52:23.786 --> 00:52:25.429
say the fewer people that vote,

00:52:25.509 --> 00:52:27.030
the better it is for Republicans.

00:52:27.657 --> 00:52:29.297
And while we are racist,

00:52:29.338 --> 00:52:31.077
we can't say we're racist.

00:52:31.197 --> 00:52:32.619
And so we'll just do all these sort

00:52:32.639 --> 00:52:33.778
of dog whistly things,

00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:36.900
but we're going to make it about something

00:52:36.940 --> 00:52:40.101
that Christians can be publicly in support

00:52:40.181 --> 00:52:40.280
of.

00:52:41.061 --> 00:52:44.541
And so, yeah, I mean,

00:52:44.641 --> 00:52:48.784
Wyrick also worked with what became the

00:52:48.824 --> 00:52:50.143
Dominionist movement.

00:52:51.204 --> 00:52:54.304
And so if you follow sort of where

00:52:54.784 --> 00:52:56.585
Pete Hegseth and

00:52:58.746 --> 00:52:59.527
I talk about him all the time.

00:53:01.027 --> 00:53:02.168
I want to say Gary Johnson,

00:53:02.208 --> 00:53:03.528
and I know that's not right.

00:53:04.610 --> 00:53:06.711
Mike Johnson, the Speaker of the House,

00:53:06.771 --> 00:53:07.751
are both Dominionists.

00:53:07.833 --> 00:53:10.153
They come from the New Apostolic Reform.

00:53:10.974 --> 00:53:13.135
And so, yeah,

00:53:13.175 --> 00:53:15.378
Weyrich also was part of that movement

00:53:15.438 --> 00:53:19.641
where that is a really bad reading on

00:53:19.661 --> 00:53:20.141
the Bible.

00:53:20.762 --> 00:53:21.041
Again,

00:53:21.242 --> 00:53:23.143
similar to the Christian identity reading

00:53:23.242 --> 00:53:23.744
on things,

00:53:23.844 --> 00:53:25.344
which basically says Christians are meant

00:53:25.385 --> 00:53:26.266
to be in charge of things.

00:53:27.498 --> 00:53:28.679
as somebody who grew up Christian,

00:53:28.699 --> 00:53:28.898
I would,

00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:31.641
I would say like the mainstream Christian

00:53:31.681 --> 00:53:32.541
understanding is like,

00:53:33.842 --> 00:53:35.063
Jesus was opposed to that.

00:53:35.123 --> 00:53:35.364
He said,

00:53:35.405 --> 00:53:38.646
we're not of this earth and not here

00:53:38.706 --> 00:53:40.509
to do earthly things.

00:53:40.588 --> 00:53:42.429
Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

00:53:42.489 --> 00:53:45.773
That's how I was raised as a really

00:53:45.813 --> 00:53:46.934
weird fundamentalist.

00:53:47.014 --> 00:53:48.916
And so this is like a fringe philosophy,

00:53:49.376 --> 00:53:51.737
but the people who are dominionist are in

00:53:51.797 --> 00:53:54.300
pretty high places of power because that's

00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:54.920
what that,

00:53:55.583 --> 00:53:58.126
theocracy is about is about religious

00:53:58.166 --> 00:53:59.387
leaders being in high places of power

00:53:59.427 --> 00:54:02.291
dominionism is that we want christians in

00:54:02.411 --> 00:54:04.913
different forms of government to take over

00:54:05.054 --> 00:54:07.036
and be in charge and so wyrick was

00:54:07.076 --> 00:54:09.097
also fundamental in that and his whole

00:54:09.117 --> 00:54:11.900
career wyrick spoke out against um

00:54:12.894 --> 00:54:15.036
being accused of being a theocrat which is

00:54:15.115 --> 00:54:16.836
a good indicator that like yo if you

00:54:16.856 --> 00:54:18.498
were called the theocrat for fifty some

00:54:18.538 --> 00:54:22.139
years you probably were um and so you

00:54:22.179 --> 00:54:23.920
know he hated political correctness he

00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:26.063
hated people voting he hated diversity

00:54:26.103 --> 00:54:29.063
again because like he was racist he just

00:54:29.445 --> 00:54:31.905
knew that that wasn't winning PR so he

00:54:31.925 --> 00:54:33.007
had to shift it to being

00:54:34.188 --> 00:54:41.251
moral right um he did not like homosexuals

00:54:41.351 --> 00:54:43.331
either again just like an out now bigot

00:54:44.112 --> 00:54:50.273
um and so yeah like sort of that

00:54:50.313 --> 00:54:52.914
like tone policing oh you said a bad

00:54:52.974 --> 00:54:56.114
word and that's just as bad as a

00:54:56.215 --> 00:54:59.675
cop killing a minority person like that

00:54:59.735 --> 00:55:03.416
sort of um claiming to be a moral

00:55:05.090 --> 00:55:07.512
arbiter claiming some some moral high

00:55:07.532 --> 00:55:12.416
ground which is just like dismissing

00:55:12.456 --> 00:55:16.900
abuses of power um so yeah i mean

00:55:17.179 --> 00:55:20.322
he he was somebody who again um was

00:55:20.382 --> 00:55:22.704
good at pr but like really moved some

00:55:22.764 --> 00:55:25.507
of that uh culture war stuff to the

00:55:25.527 --> 00:55:28.750
forefront this was somebody who who took a

00:55:28.809 --> 00:55:31.090
losing strategy of being overtly racist

00:55:31.831 --> 00:55:33.914
and uh softened it without

00:55:34.858 --> 00:55:36.559
correcting it without being opposed to it

00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.721
he was pro-racism he just didn't think you

00:55:39.740 --> 00:55:48.306
should be overt about it um so yeah

00:55:48.365 --> 00:55:50.887
he was a garbage human being and i

00:55:50.907 --> 00:55:53.128
think like again fundamentally i think for

00:55:53.208 --> 00:55:55.490
anybody who understands mega they will

00:55:55.530 --> 00:55:58.032
generally know like doug wilson they'll

00:55:58.052 --> 00:56:00.293
know dominionist theory they'll know some

00:56:00.333 --> 00:56:01.934
of the key figures in the dominionist

00:56:01.954 --> 00:56:02.235
movement

00:56:02.927 --> 00:56:05.027
less so paul weirich people will know the

00:56:05.047 --> 00:56:07.469
moral majority they'll know reagan as a

00:56:07.528 --> 00:56:09.750
figurehead somebody like trump who was

00:56:09.809 --> 00:56:12.092
really good at tv but didn't necessarily

00:56:12.132 --> 00:56:15.893
believe that like and again reagan at

00:56:15.913 --> 00:56:18.875
least was like governor for a while reagan

00:56:18.994 --> 00:56:21.056
also famously pro-gun control because the

00:56:21.076 --> 00:56:22.936
black panthers in california um

00:56:23.552 --> 00:56:25.393
Tell that to a current Republican and

00:56:25.434 --> 00:56:26.775
watch their little brain spin.

00:56:27.094 --> 00:56:27.655
Although at this point,

00:56:27.715 --> 00:56:29.896
I don't think Republicans have any

00:56:30.016 --> 00:56:32.036
internal consistency left at all.

00:56:32.137 --> 00:56:33.797
Whatever sort of cognitive dissonance is

00:56:33.838 --> 00:56:35.539
there would require a functioning brain,

00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:37.639
which isn't a winning thing.

00:56:37.659 --> 00:56:41.181
But yeah, I mean,

00:56:41.342 --> 00:56:42.483
so you have Gerald L.K.

00:56:42.523 --> 00:56:44.023
Smith and Christian identity saying

00:56:45.403 --> 00:56:46.945
American and Christianity goes hand in

00:56:47.045 --> 00:56:47.264
hand.

00:56:47.304 --> 00:56:49.485
Christians are God's chosen people by a

00:56:49.525 --> 00:56:50.626
bad reading of the Bible.

00:56:51.161 --> 00:56:54.947
You have Paul Weyrich who normalized and

00:56:55.047 --> 00:56:56.769
centered some of Christians should be in

00:56:56.809 --> 00:56:58.293
charge of it through a bad reading of

00:56:58.313 --> 00:56:58.793
the Bible.

00:56:59.755 --> 00:57:01.617
And then you have McCarthy who said,

00:57:02.539 --> 00:57:04.581
We don't need to use logic or evidence

00:57:04.601 --> 00:57:05.302
for anything.

00:57:05.362 --> 00:57:07.786
We can just use fear as a motivator.

00:57:08.206 --> 00:57:10.809
And that's sort of all the mixture there

00:57:10.949 --> 00:57:11.831
that makes sense.

00:57:11.931 --> 00:57:13.893
And to quote my good friend,

00:57:13.913 --> 00:57:16.615
somebody who's been on the podcast before,

00:57:16.735 --> 00:57:17.838
Margaret Bronson,

00:57:18.077 --> 00:57:20.059
you can find her at Deconstruction Doulas.

00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:21.382
She said,

00:57:22.889 --> 00:57:24.250
was at Doug Wilson's church for a while,

00:57:24.289 --> 00:57:26.311
somebody who's really an authoritative

00:57:26.530 --> 00:57:26.951
voice,

00:57:28.291 --> 00:57:30.291
surviving that and getting out of that

00:57:30.351 --> 00:57:30.711
church.

00:57:32.152 --> 00:57:33.793
If you want a deeper dive on some

00:57:33.813 --> 00:57:35.273
of the dominionist theology,

00:57:35.992 --> 00:57:37.612
but she talks about white supremacy sort

00:57:37.632 --> 00:57:39.893
of being the egg in the ingredients list

00:57:40.693 --> 00:57:43.175
that makes the mega movement cake.

00:57:43.235 --> 00:57:45.355
Like that's the ingredient that you need

00:57:45.375 --> 00:57:46.815
to hold all the other ingredients

00:57:46.856 --> 00:57:47.335
together.

00:57:47.396 --> 00:57:50.836
You have the white supremacy as the

00:57:50.976 --> 00:57:52.077
Lincoln thing.

00:57:52.777 --> 00:57:56.579
And so that idea that the anti-Semitism,

00:57:56.659 --> 00:57:57.480
the racism,

00:57:58.481 --> 00:58:00.802
the bigotry against the LGBTQ plus

00:58:00.822 --> 00:58:04.003
community is all the white supremacy that

00:58:04.083 --> 00:58:06.045
is the underpinning of the MAGA movement

00:58:06.106 --> 00:58:08.447
that they've been denying,

00:58:08.487 --> 00:58:09.427
they've been rejecting,

00:58:09.447 --> 00:58:10.588
they've been saying, no, no, no,

00:58:10.628 --> 00:58:11.528
that's not us.

00:58:12.068 --> 00:58:14.271
And the media has been refusing to comment

00:58:14.351 --> 00:58:16.112
about it or cover any of it when

00:58:16.172 --> 00:58:18.914
we have January six insurrectionists who

00:58:18.974 --> 00:58:20.295
are in ICE now

00:58:21.094 --> 00:58:22.795
that we know that's been confirmed.

00:58:22.855 --> 00:58:26.096
We have public executions being videotaped

00:58:26.175 --> 00:58:26.635
live.

00:58:28.356 --> 00:58:30.836
As shit gets really bad, looking at like,

00:58:30.876 --> 00:58:33.077
yeah, where did these things come from?

00:58:33.137 --> 00:58:33.358
Well,

00:58:33.777 --> 00:58:36.179
eventually there was organization and

00:58:36.219 --> 00:58:36.818
pushback.

00:58:36.838 --> 00:58:38.378
Some of it happened in the voting booth.

00:58:38.398 --> 00:58:39.559
Some of it happened politically.

00:58:39.958 --> 00:58:40.179
Again,

00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:42.800
like McCarthy ended his political career

00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:44.581
in shame and shambles.

00:58:44.621 --> 00:58:48.300
Like he was not a well successful figure.

00:58:49.282 --> 00:58:50.681
Damage had been done by then.

00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:52.420
Gerald L.K.

00:58:52.460 --> 00:58:54.262
Smith was not somebody who had created a

00:58:54.282 --> 00:58:56.623
great deal of movement or accomplished a

00:58:56.663 --> 00:58:57.003
ton,

00:58:57.543 --> 00:58:59.824
but as a propagandist normalized a lot of

00:58:59.864 --> 00:59:02.806
things and spread the word to what became

00:59:03.467 --> 00:59:05.288
the neo-Nazi movement in America,

00:59:05.327 --> 00:59:08.570
what became a baseline for anti-Semitism

00:59:08.650 --> 00:59:09.411
here in America.

00:59:10.409 --> 00:59:12.851
paul weirich arguably again um pretty

00:59:12.891 --> 00:59:15.072
successful in his movement to not just get

00:59:15.492 --> 00:59:17.193
reagan elected but he was a big fan

00:59:17.414 --> 00:59:20.916
of w um and the bush dynasty as

00:59:21.115 --> 00:59:26.018
as good christian leaders and so yeah i

00:59:26.059 --> 00:59:29.161
mean shitty dudes doing shitty things

00:59:30.811 --> 00:59:32.693
But again, I think the pushback,

00:59:32.793 --> 00:59:34.153
and I want to end with one more

00:59:34.233 --> 00:59:34.534
quote.

00:59:34.594 --> 00:59:36.074
Look at me, I was so organized.

00:59:36.155 --> 00:59:38.677
What an attempt at a professional podcast.

00:59:41.197 --> 00:59:44.019
This is from Edward R. Murrow,

00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:46.501
who was a journalist during the time of

00:59:46.621 --> 00:59:49.784
McCarthyism, and a news program,

00:59:50.364 --> 00:59:52.945
a journalism program that aired on public

00:59:52.965 --> 00:59:56.188
TV that sort of called out McCarthyism and

00:59:56.228 --> 00:59:58.849
his fear-mongering and why that is bad for

00:59:58.889 --> 00:59:59.411
our country.

00:59:59.490 --> 00:59:59.990
And so again,

01:00:00.472 --> 01:00:01.552
Organization matters.

01:00:01.672 --> 01:00:03.637
Holding accountability matters.

01:00:03.697 --> 01:00:07.463
Public outcry does work well against a lot

01:00:07.503 --> 01:00:08.523
of this stuff.

01:00:09.465 --> 01:00:11.969
What we're seeing is the culmination of

01:00:13.202 --> 01:00:15.925
fifty to seventy five years worth of work

01:00:16.025 --> 01:00:19.206
on these bigots parts to get somebody like

01:00:19.226 --> 01:00:20.286
Donald Trump in power.

01:00:20.427 --> 01:00:21.827
And so it's not insurmountable.

01:00:21.847 --> 01:00:23.009
It's not something that's overcoming,

01:00:23.869 --> 01:00:25.911
but it is something that's been moving for

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a long time.

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It's not going to take two Instagram posts

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to work against us.

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It is going to take systemic pushback and

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systems require organizing.

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But what I want to say,

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what I want to quote here is sort

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of what what led to

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the eventual downfall of mccarthyism was

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from this this news program and so um

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this is a little bit of a long

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quote but i'm going to read it and

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i think it is relevant still today so

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murrow said regarding mccarthy

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No one familiar with the history of this

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country can deny that congressional

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committees are useful.

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It is necessary to investigate before

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legislating,

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but the line between investigating and

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persecuting is a very fine one,

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and the junior senator from Wisconsin has

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stepped over it repeatedly.

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His primary achievement has been in

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confusing the public mind as between the

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internal and external threats of

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communism.

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We must not confuse dissent with

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disloyalty.

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We must remember that accusation is not

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proof and that conviction depends upon

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evidence and due process of law.

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We will not walk in fear one of

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another.

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We will not be driven by fear into

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an age of unreason if we dig deep

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in our history and our doctrine and

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remember that we are not descended from

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fearful men,

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not from men who feared to write,

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to speak, to associate,

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and to defend causes that were,

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for the moment, unpopular.

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There is no time for men who oppose

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Senator McCarthy's methods to keep silent

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or for those who approve.

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We can deny our heritage and our history,

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but we cannot escape responsibility for

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the result.

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Let's read that line again because it's

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probably of all of the ones,

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the ones I agree with most.

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We can deny our heritage and our history,

01:02:10.298 --> 01:02:12.320
but we cannot escape responsibility for

01:02:12.340 --> 01:02:12.740
the result.

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There's no way for a citizen of a

01:02:14.865 --> 01:02:16.967
republic to abdicate his responsibilities.

01:02:17.507 --> 01:02:18.186
As a nation,

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we have come into our full inheritance at

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a tender age.

01:02:21.188 --> 01:02:23.248
We proclaim ourselves, as indeed we are,

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the defenders of freedom,

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wherever it continues to exist in the

01:02:28.291 --> 01:02:28.532
world.

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But we cannot defend freedom abroad by

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deserting it at home.

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And again, as a leftist,

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I don't agree with most of that.

01:02:36.974 --> 01:02:38.735
Again, fuck American imperialism.

01:02:40.525 --> 01:02:41.405
Continuing Barrow,

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the actions of the junior senator from

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Wisconsin have caused alarm and dismay

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amongst our allies abroad and given

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considerable comfort to our enemies.

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And whose fault is that?

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Not really his.

01:02:54.210 --> 01:02:55.811
He didn't create the situation of fear.

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He merely exploited it and rather

01:02:57.891 --> 01:02:58.572
successfully.

01:02:59.452 --> 01:03:03.152
Cassius, reference to Shakespeare's play,

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Cassius was right.

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The fault, dear Brutus,

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is not in our stars, but in ourselves.

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And while that's like a very pro-America

01:03:12.891 --> 01:03:18.416
sort of non-critical colonizer lens,

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I think a lot of what he said

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in there was true.

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It's not the time to speak up.

01:03:23.418 --> 01:03:25.840
It is the time to not be okay

01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:27.722
with supporters of this fascism,

01:03:29.222 --> 01:03:31.523
not letting fear run things,

01:03:31.684 --> 01:03:34.286
and that it doesn't matter if the

01:03:34.346 --> 01:03:36.688
authoritarians, the fascists deny reality,

01:03:36.748 --> 01:03:40.250
like the repercussions are still here.

01:03:41.054 --> 01:03:42.135
and we have to deal with those and

01:03:42.155 --> 01:03:43.438
we have a responsibility to deal with

01:03:43.458 --> 01:03:43.798
those.

01:03:44.539 --> 01:03:45.601
And so again,

01:03:45.681 --> 01:03:48.965
a little bit of hope to hopefully maybe

01:03:49.005 --> 01:03:50.027
wrap this up here

01:03:51.567 --> 01:03:53.608
These are longstanding,

01:03:53.768 --> 01:03:56.311
slow-moving things that have built to a

01:03:56.371 --> 01:03:58.253
moment in time that we're dealing with

01:03:58.353 --> 01:03:59.054
now.

01:03:59.074 --> 01:04:01.416
The rise in authoritarianism is no

01:04:01.536 --> 01:04:02.097
accident.

01:04:02.237 --> 01:04:03.737
It was not something that was always

01:04:03.838 --> 01:04:04.759
destined to happen.

01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:07.181
And it isn't something that can't be

01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:07.802
overturned.

01:04:07.842 --> 01:04:10.443
It is something that can be resisted if

01:04:10.503 --> 01:04:11.425
we push back,

01:04:11.485 --> 01:04:13.666
if we stand up and unite against it.

01:04:13.806 --> 01:04:16.068
And so find a way to

01:04:16.994 --> 01:04:18.114
to take some action.

01:04:18.394 --> 01:04:19.876
You don't have to go to a protest,

01:04:19.916 --> 01:04:21.938
but if you're able-bodied and free to do

01:04:21.998 --> 01:04:23.518
so, go to a protest.

01:04:25.081 --> 01:04:26.922
Make a meal for your neighbors so they

01:04:26.961 --> 01:04:28.583
can participate in a strike.

01:04:30.085 --> 01:04:33.487
The first and largest strike in any

01:04:33.547 --> 01:04:36.269
American state since the thirties just

01:04:36.309 --> 01:04:36.789
happened.

01:04:37.690 --> 01:04:39.351
There's an organization that can happen.

01:04:39.532 --> 01:04:41.713
ICE is coming to your jurisdiction.

01:04:42.534 --> 01:04:44.516
At some point, unless we stand against it,

01:04:44.556 --> 01:04:46.338
but it's going to spread out.

01:04:46.478 --> 01:04:49.440
This is a very well-funded police state.

01:04:50.121 --> 01:04:52.322
And so organize now,

01:04:52.422 --> 01:04:55.184
figure out who's working on responses.

01:04:55.364 --> 01:04:56.306
You don't have to reinvent the wheel,

01:04:56.346 --> 01:04:57.166
but you have to connect.

01:04:58.208 --> 01:05:00.028
If you're somebody who is differently

01:05:00.148 --> 01:05:02.590
abled and protesting and action on the

01:05:02.610 --> 01:05:04.193
ground isn't available to you,

01:05:04.990 --> 01:05:06.092
Working on organizing,

01:05:06.152 --> 01:05:07.313
sharing good information,

01:05:07.353 --> 01:05:08.974
writing to your elected officials.

01:05:09.313 --> 01:05:11.396
Again, public outcry matters.

01:05:11.815 --> 01:05:12.916
Participate in boycotts.

01:05:12.956 --> 01:05:16.438
Support people who need the support if

01:05:16.458 --> 01:05:17.860
we're going to have anything like a

01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:19.762
regular strike, a general strike.

01:05:21.402 --> 01:05:22.643
We can push back against fascism.

01:05:22.664 --> 01:05:24.105
It has happened before,

01:05:25.025 --> 01:05:26.126
over and over again.

01:05:26.226 --> 01:05:28.228
Resistance is from the people.

01:05:30.543 --> 01:05:33.364
The fascist authoritarians took a long

01:05:33.403 --> 01:05:35.123
time to organize and a long time to

01:05:35.143 --> 01:05:36.724
see their efforts pay off.

01:05:37.523 --> 01:05:40.264
It is time to organize our efforts to

01:05:40.304 --> 01:05:40.724
resist.

01:05:40.764 --> 01:05:42.545
It is time to participate in that

01:05:42.646 --> 01:05:44.706
resistance.

01:05:44.746 --> 01:05:45.965
So hopefully,

01:05:46.186 --> 01:05:48.206
this has at once been interesting and

01:05:48.306 --> 01:05:50.686
also, yeah,

01:05:50.706 --> 01:05:52.907
maybe a little hope that this shit isn't

01:05:52.947 --> 01:05:53.467
inevitable.

01:05:55.717 --> 01:05:56.597
It's right to resist.

01:05:56.657 --> 01:05:59.018
It's good to push back and stand up

01:05:59.057 --> 01:05:59.338
for it.

01:05:59.358 --> 01:06:03.717
Otherwise, it will keep happening.

01:06:03.737 --> 01:06:05.298
Fuck all these people.

01:06:05.679 --> 01:06:08.278
Racists, bigots, Gerald L.K.

01:06:08.298 --> 01:06:10.780
Smith, Joe McCarthy, Paul Weyrich.

01:06:12.780 --> 01:06:13.460
Fuck ICE.

01:06:14.239 --> 01:06:14.980
Fuck Donald Trump.

01:06:16.019 --> 01:06:17.340
Y'all know where I stand on this shit.

01:06:20.420 --> 01:06:21.041
It feels...

01:06:22.262 --> 01:06:24.762
It was always an easy sign-off for me

01:06:26.380 --> 01:06:28.784
to have something repeatable but it feels

01:06:29.284 --> 01:06:31.668
um well i always believed it a little

01:06:31.708 --> 01:06:34.693
bit more pressing but my normal sign off

01:06:34.793 --> 01:06:35.853
take care of yourself take care of

01:06:35.875 --> 01:06:37.396
somebody else peace y'all