Your Therapist Needs Therapy 140 - Re-parenting Your Inner Child with Tracy Keller

This week Jeremy is joined by returning guest Tracy Keller, owner over at Firefly Counseling. Tracy was the guest on episode 81 and this week we check in on the very chill, very normal times we’ve lived through since then. Tracy and Jeremy talk about the importance of community building and collaboration, and Tracy shares info about her ongoing group with Dr Jamie Camphouse “Raising Little Humans” and introduces her new group starting soon, “Re-Parent Your Inner Child.” 

To learn more about Tracy and her work, head over to fireflycounselingmke.com and to stay up to date on events follow her on Instagram. 

As always, Jeremy has all his practice info at Wellness with Jer, and you can find him on Instagram and YouTube. To show your love for the show you can pick up some merch! We appreciate support from likes, follows, and shares as well! None of my online work would be possible without my media maven Kenny, so check out their work as well at kenlingdesign.com

If you’re not a midwesterner who can attend Tracy’s groups, maybe you’re over on the east coast and can check out the retreat my great collaborator Emily and I are hosting Rest & Return: A Weekend for Soft Landings. This retreat is designed to let your nervous system settle and come back to yourself. It’s rest, grounding, and trauma-informed connection instead of more noise.

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Podcasts about therapy do not replace actual therapy, and listening to a podcast about therapy does not signify a therapeutic relationship.If you or someone you know is in crisis please call or text the nationwide crisis line at 988, or text HELLO to 741741. The Trevor Project has a crisis line for LGBTQ+ young people that can be reached by texting 678678.

Transcript

Hello,

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and welcome to another edition of Your

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Therapist Needs Therapy,

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a podcast where two mental health

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professionals talk about their mental

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health journeys and how they navigate

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mental wellness while working in the

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mental health field.

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I'm your host, Jeremy Schumacher,

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licensed marriage family therapist.

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And I have a guest this week.

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It's not just me complaining about things.

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I'm so excited to have a returning guest.

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It's been, we had to double check.

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It's been over a year since this person

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has been on.

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I am joined once again by owner of

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Firefly Counseling, Tracy Keller.

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Tracy.

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Hello.

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Hello.

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If you want to learn about Tracy and

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how Tracy became a therapist and opened

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her own practice and whatever else we

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talked about over a year ago,

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that's episode eighty one.

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We talk about grief.

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It's a good time.

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Tracy,

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it's since twenty twenty four when we last

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recorded,

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nothing important has happened between now

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and then.

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Nothing at all.

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Nope.

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Very, very chill,

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very rational timeline we've been living

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through.

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Yeah.

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It's been not much,

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not much has really occurred since then.

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So no, it's been like a shit show,

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but you know,

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we're doing the best we can.

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We are doing the best we can.

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What has that looked like for you?

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What's, how's your sanity doing?

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I think, you know,

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I actually think since like last we

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talked, I think I was like,

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my own kind of like journey has been

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like trying to move away from like

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intellectualizing as much as I typically

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had been.

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Um,

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which has been like a cool journey for

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me.

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Cause I found like,

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as shit started like slowly

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disintegrating, like, I don't know,

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I was having more like somatic

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experiences.

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Like my body would like feel like it

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wants to cry or just like feel down

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with like nothing like necessarily

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triggering it or anything like that.

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So that's been kind of a cool thing,

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but, and practice wise,

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I think it's been cool to like be

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able to like walk beside people as they're

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kind of navigating some of this.

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shit show of life, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's been fine.

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I don't know.

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Talking away.

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Doing some cool community stuff,

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but that's about it.

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Yeah, which we will talk about.

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Firefly counseling.

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Mm-hmm.

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Technically TOSA for the locals.

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Not important for the not locals.

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You don't need to know all TOSA.

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Not at all.

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With Polly Sackett.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Polly is great.

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Polly's also been on the podcast.

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If I was a better podcast host,

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I would have looked up when I had

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Polly on too.

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But yeah, private practice.

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Grooving.

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Yeah.

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With people.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We work with mostly our focus is kind

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of trauma and grief in general.

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Um,

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and we each have our kind of own

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pockets of things that we do.

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So I really do like a lot of

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women's health, um,

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like EMDR with a whole slew of other

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trauma modalities that we kind of just

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leave together.

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Um, grief,

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I'm also certified in like perinatal.

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So like work a lot with like reproductive

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trauma and then poly poly is amazing

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within like working with couples.

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And then, um,

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she's also certified in grief and then

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also has, um,

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really great experience working with

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people who have a loved one who has

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substance abuse and just helping people

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navigate that.

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So she's pretty cool.

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We dig her.

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I'm glad that she's with us.

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Polly is in one of my consultation groups

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that I meet with,

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so I get to see Polly pretty regularly.

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Polly's very cool, human, lovely.

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Again, I'm biased.

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It's my podcast,

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so I get to have whoever I want

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on.

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But I like connecting with private

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practice owners who are like, yeah,

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it's

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the bee's knees like it's I can't imagine

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going back and working in an agency

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setting or for a sixty forty split or

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whatever it was as an independent

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contractor when I should have been an

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employee like I just love having my own

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place and I love getting to connect with

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people who've been open for a while and

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like yep just grooving

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Yeah, I think it's so cool to like,

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at least within like our network,

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just finding people who are like actual

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like people and not like owned by like

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their therapist like persona, you know?

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Yeah.

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Which is cool.

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It's a good vibe.

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got going on in yeah southeast it's

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interesting i i talk about this a lot

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um because when i was in larger practices

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i was less well connected than i am

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now like being in private practice has

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made me have a much better network have

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a much better referral list and like have

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other therapists who i actually like

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instead of being like oh the person's

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upstairs sort of kind of works with this

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like

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It's nice to be like,

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this person actually has expertise in

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this.

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This person specializes in this thing.

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Yeah,

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like I feel really comfortable with you

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seeing this person because not only are

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they like really good at what they do,

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but they're just like a good human too.

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Yeah.

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Vouch for it because I feel like we're

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all kind of like, you know,

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friends in the...

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the mix of things.

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Yeah.

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I think you see a different lens of

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perinatal mental health than I do.

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I'm not a specialist at all.

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I claim no specialty in that.

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But as a couples therapist,

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a marriage therapist,

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I do see a lot of couples who

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are in the baby heaven stage of their

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relationship.

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And I found working with young parents,

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parents of young children,

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not necessarily young parents,

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parents of the toddler and underage to be

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really grounding

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through like the poly crisis we're living

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through of authoritarian regime and

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climate change and however many wars we're

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at uh

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like people are still having babies and

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like babies still need all your attention.

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And like,

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here's their developmental markers and

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here's all the things we're trying to do

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to make sure they're safe and secure.

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And I don't know if you can relate

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to this at all.

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Cause again,

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working with grief and probably some of

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the trauma more than I am,

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but seeing people have babies has just

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been like really grounding for me in a

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very unexpected way.

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I never thought that was what would keep

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me sort of sane.

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yeah well and i think you know the

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thing that comes in my office all the

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time is like the dichotomy of like the

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like stressors of like your kids screaming

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that they hate you or like my kid

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today like saying that we had to like

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i don't know she didn't want to come

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out of the car but she wanted to

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come in the car and i i don't

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even know what happened right like use the

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example of like peeling a banana like

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that's like a big deal um versus like

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systems that are just collapsing and

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failing around us.

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You know, like those two things, like,

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I don't know, existing at the same time.

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And then also parents kind of being like,

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what the hell,

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what the hell are we doing?

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And I think,

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especially within like the reproductive

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trauma work that I do,

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like how triggering some of the system

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stuff can be,

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especially because a lot of the like

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reproductive trauma stuff I see ends up

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coming from like healthcare systems and

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that kind of thing.

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So.

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Yeah, it's wild.

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But it is cool to be able to

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kind of, like, have different, like,

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lenses, I guess, that they've been doing.

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Yeah.

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And then, like, I don't know.

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It sounds cliche,

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but I think that's why it's very grounding

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for me of, like, life goes on.

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Like, again, just sort of, like,

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people coming in with their babies and

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then...

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Their babies are getting bigger and then

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they need a babysitter to come to therapy

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because they don't want to bring their

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tiny little tornado into the office.

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Like, you know, it's it's just like, yeah,

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and life goes on.

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So that's very cool.

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Milwaukee,

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oddly good perinatal mental health.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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There's like we have a whole like...

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network collab group now too just of

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reproductive trauma um but there's like

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just the perinatal providers around are

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phenomenal um i'm works i more work

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specifically with like the reproductive

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trauma stuff but like i know i have

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like pockets of places for sure that are

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great with like postpartum depression

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anxiety um yeah even just adjusting or

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like

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yeah i don't know a couple stuff all

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that so yeah it's cool to have that

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network but yeah it's like been booming um

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yeah there's not enough there's still not

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enough like until like the hospital

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systems have a social worker who like

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works specifically

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through the whole time period.

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To put it in context,

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I'm a Milwaukee native and we have pretty

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much terrible resources across the board

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for any mental health thing.

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And it's like, oh,

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oddly perinatal mental health is pretty

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good in context.

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We care about our women.

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We care about our birthing people.

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We care, I guess.

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We care about babies.

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We care about new moms.

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Yeah, it's lovely, I think.

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Yeah.

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Milwaukee Diaper Mission,

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Mom's Mental Health Initiative.

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Like we have these nonprofits that provide

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resources and then, yeah,

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a pretty wide network of therapists who

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work in those areas too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because people keep having babies,

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you know?

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They keep doing it apparently.

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Apparently.

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World ending isn't enough to...

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Not stopping people from making babies.

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No, they're doing it.

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They're doing it.

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We got to change the world somehow.

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The next generation.

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The next generation.

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Yeah, so you had emailed me.

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You had emailed not just me,

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lots of people,

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spreading the word about some of the

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community resources you're offering.

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And I was like, hey,

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let's chat about it.

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Come on the podcast and talk.

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So let's talk about not just your therapy

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and your practice and the cool things you

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and Polly do,

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but let's talk about some of the groups

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that you've got ongoing and coming up.

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Yeah, totally.

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So one of the things that has been

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really important to me,

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especially as an out of network provider,

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is to have free resources or easier to

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access resources.

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Just because I'm one person,

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I really like to get a ton of

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knowledge and be up to date on research

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and honing all my skills and whatnot.

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But I also know that being out of

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network, there's a cost with that.

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I don't want that just to be limited

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to the people who can afford care.

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So I've always kind of been really

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passionate about if there's a workshop

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series,

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if there's a nonprofit I can kind of

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work with,

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if there's something I can offer for free

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that I

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I do.

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So I know I've done a workshop with

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the Moms Mental Health Initiative and the

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Little Village Play Cafe before.

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And that was a really cheap workshop that

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people could make a donation.

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But we also had scholarships that were

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just free.

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Most recently, me and Dr.

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Jamie Kamphouse from Tosa Psych have

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paired up at Curiosity Corner here in

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Wauwatosa, which is a preschool.

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for a Raising Little Humans workshop.

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So I think we've had one, two, three,

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four, five, six, seven.

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It's like a seven part workshop series.

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It's completely free to the public and

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open to the public.

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We have childcare.

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It's like as easy to access as it

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can be for families with little kids

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trying to kind of get rid of some

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of those barriers.

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So we have like one workshop a month

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where we talk about a different topic.

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So we're actually kind of coming towards

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the end because the school year is kind

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of whittling down.

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So we have two left.

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The next one Dr.

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Jamie is going to be doing it's on

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April sixteenth and it's supporting all

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kinds of brains, sensory needs,

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emotional regulation and advocacy.

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And then the last one is going to

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be May thirteenth.

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And that one is a summer survival guide

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that me and Polly are actually going to

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tag team that one together.

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So and it's I mean, it's cool.

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It's not it's kind of geared towards

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preschool parents because we know

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that's the population that's right there.

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Um, but I think it's great for any,

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like people who are about to have kids

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or people who are, um,

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like in the early stages of parenthood and

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like,

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especially like the last two that are

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coming up,

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they're really good for anyone who has

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kids or interact or interface with kids.

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We have caregivers come to it.

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Um, grandparents coming to it.

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Um, parents,

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like it's a good mix of like anyone.

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So it's an,

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and the other thing is too,

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since it's a free workshop,

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All the past ones I offer on my

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website for free.

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So if you go to FireflyCounselingMKE.com

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under resources,

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I think your podcasts are listed on there.

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We have like all the past workshops that

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we've offered for free.

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So all the Raising Little Humans workshop

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series is on there.

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Me and Polly did like a summer live

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podcast.

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instagram facebooky thing i don't know

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technology but we did it um where we

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just kind of like rift on different like

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mental health topics all of that is posted

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for free on my website too um yeah

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so just trying to get more resources out

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there um so that's kind of the kind

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of the free stuff we're doing right now

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yeah the other thing that i yep let

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me let's let's dig in dig in because

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I understand technology to a degree that I

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pay someone to do it for me.

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But it's a podcast,

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so we've got to fill some time, right?

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First of all, shout out to Jamie.

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I've been trying to get her on the

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podcast.

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She's a busy human.

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She's so busy.

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It hasn't happened yet, but at some point.

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She's amazing.

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Future listener, Dr.

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Jamie Campos will be on the podcast.

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It's going to be great.

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It's going to be a great one.

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It's going to be a gold star.

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You must listen.

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Stay tuned.

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They had an open house and I messed

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with a lot of things in their office.

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So maybe that's why she's not on my

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podcast yet.

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No, I actually think she's just busy.

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I think she appreciates your brain.

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But again, I love this collaboration,

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not just because Jamie's great and you're

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great, but because it's not competitive.

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We're not fighting for clients.

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We're not...

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Jamie's at Tosa Psych,

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which is a totally different practice than

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yours.

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And there's that overlap.

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And the two of you share this passion,

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share this knowledge base that you want to

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give back to the community.

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You want to provide something accessible

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to people.

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And so that collaboration,

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it is a collaboration as opposed to a

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competition.

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And I feel like, again, under insurance,

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the for-profit mental health care system

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doesn't train us to do it that way.

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We sort of have to learn how to

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make these connections and do these

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collaborations on our own.

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Yeah.

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Well, and it just makes,

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it just makes sense.

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It's good client care.

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Like I can't see everyone.

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You can't see everyone, you know,

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and to find people who mesh with you,

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who think about therapy in similar ways,

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but like who will like gently challenge

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too.

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I think that's such a cool dynamic.

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And like,

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I know like our practice and TOSA Psych,

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we're both, I don't know,

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how many blocks away?

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I don't know.

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We're within the same kind of like East

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TOSA area.

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And maybe they're West Tosa.

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I don't know where they're.

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They're like mid Tosa.

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Tosa's not that big.

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Tosa people are just... Yeah,

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it's not very big.

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I could walk there if I needed to.

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But like,

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it's been really cool to just like get

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to network with them.

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They're all psychologists there.

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They're all super passionate about what

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they do.

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And they're all just like cool to hang

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out with.

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Like we've done...

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I went the other week just to like

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body double with Jamie,

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which didn't work because...

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Ultimately,

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everyone who worked there just came in and

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we all just hung out for two hours.

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And then I was like, okay,

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I actually need to leave because I

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actually need to get some work done.

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Like it's so cool just to have that

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relationship.

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And like Jamie's kid also goes to the

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same preschool as my kid.

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So we've had like play dates and it's

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just cool to have like those relationships

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outside too.

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I know one of the other big practices,

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like forward healing with Lily,

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she's awesome.

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We've hung out a couple of times outside

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of...

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outside of the real world too.

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Previous guest on the podcast.

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She's so great.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Like there's so many,

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I could just list off like a ton

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of like therapists who are also friends at

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this point.

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And it is like,

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I want them to be successful.

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I want them to be happy and see

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the clients that they are like super

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specialized in.

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And I trust them because I feel like

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they're

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I know them personally, so.

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Yeah,

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none of us are running out of clients.

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There's more clients than therapists.

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Like it doesn't need to be competitive.

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How do you and Jamie come up with

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the idea for this Raising Little Humans

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group?

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So honestly,

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I feel I kind of got like pulled

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into it.

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So like my background originally.

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The hot gossip on your therapist needs

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therapy.

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So I,

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my background originally was working with

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kids and teens.

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Um,

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like I had like the specialization from

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our cat.

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Um,

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and my early experience was with kids and

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teens.

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I still work with teens,

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but not as much kids now.

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Um,

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and I've also realized how much like kid

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therapy actually do like with adults and

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like trauma healing to,

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to like heal younger parts.

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Um, but within doing this,

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like I had mentioned to the administrator

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at curiosity corner, like, Hey,

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if there's ever anything that like,

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we can offer or support.

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Like, I'm happy to do that.

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Um,

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Jamie had come there cause she just moved

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here this year from California.

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Um,

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so she was just trying to get like

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the word out, get her name out, whatnot.

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So she offered this,

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both our kids go there.

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So we kind of,

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I remember the administrator came to me

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and was like,

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have you heard of like Dr. Jamie Campos?

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And I was like, yeah, I love her.

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We're like buddies.

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Let's hang out.

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Um, so it was, it was,

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it turned from something that was kind of

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just like this, um,

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Oh, we want to do something good.

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It's not perfectly in my lens of things,

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but there's enough information that I use

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frequently with adults that I think it's

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helpful.

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And I have the background, too,

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that it felt like an easy ask.

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And then putting it together and

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collaborating with Jamie was like,

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I don't know, it was amazing.

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We're like both people who will do

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something like you have a group project

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and

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two people actually providing and like

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giving in like oh my gosh it's wild

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it's wild so um but yeah so we

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kind of came up with the ideas together

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um and and now we're doing the thing

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so it's cool and I know there's another

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collaboration um have you talked to Annie

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Dries Dries D-R-I-E-S she's in Brookfield

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I don't know that I have.

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Okay.

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She's cool.

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She does like more eating disordered

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stuff, but works with like moms too.

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Like that's an area she's really trying to

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like grow awareness and her presence in is

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just like body dysmorphia.

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And like after post-pregnancy,

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all of that, just like,

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what happens to your body as you have

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a kid because that is kind of a

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mind fuck um so we're actually gonna she

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like pulled me into a workshop series that

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they're gonna do this summer that has like

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a dietitian and um her doing a workshop

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and then me on like the mental health

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and like the stuff that you don't actually

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like no one talks about the feelings that

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go with like parenthood and pregnancy um

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yeah

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So I feel like it's cool kind of

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getting pulled into some of these things.

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I'm in the season of saying yes,

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and I also need to be in the

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season of not driving myself into too much

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stuff.

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Right,

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because we have a whole other group to

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talk about.

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Yeah,

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because you see what happens when I do.

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Well, and I think, again, I mean,

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it's nice.

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You have Polly,

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but when you own your own practice,

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it's really easy to sort of be on

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an island and feel siloed off from

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everybody.

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Totally.

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And so these collaborations are really

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nice.

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And there's like a give and take to,

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speaking or doing a workshop when someone

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invites you, that for most of us,

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I don't want to speak for all therapists,

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but for a lot of us,

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that's not a ton of extra work.

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We already know the content.

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If somebody wants me to speak, yes,

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obviously.

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I miss teaching.

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I was a college instructor for a while.

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I like that part.

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It's part of what we do in therapy.

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It's just a different sort of platform to

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be in a workshop space.

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versus like running a eight or however

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many week group is a lot more labor

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intensive to do that all yourself versus

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when you get these opportunities to

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collaborate,

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you're only doing a session or two.

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Yeah,

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it's a lot easier to sort of fit

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this stuff in and be like willing to

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say yes without it being this huge hit

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on your time and energy.

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Yeah, I love it.

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I love the originally I thought that I

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was going to like finish my career in

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like academia.

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And I think if I can just, like,

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I'm totally scratching that itch just by

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doing some of these things,

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these opportunities that kind of come my

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way.

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And it does.

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It feels a good way to, like,

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be asked and to be respected in that

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way.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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I don't always say,

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but I often say coaching, teaching,

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and therapy are the same skill set,

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just in a different context.

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And so, yeah, that's really lovely.

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You segued earlier and I am not a

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good enough host to do that.

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Don't.

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It was unintentional.

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Yeah.

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You brought up healing your younger self

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and that's the new group.

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That's the one that's kicking off soon.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I don't know.

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I think I'm trying to think of where

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the idea originally came from.

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I think in my mind I've been like,

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Teetering with like, I don't know,

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I don't know if you can speak to

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this too for you,

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but I feel like as I've like gone

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in my career,

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I feel like I keep picking up these

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like interest areas and skill sets and all

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this and like trying to like weave it

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together in something that's cohesive and

00:22:03.036 --> 00:22:03.656
makes sense.

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We're just both later in life diagnosed

00:22:08.401 --> 00:22:10.442
ADHDers, so that's all that is, right?

00:22:10.461 --> 00:22:10.561
Yeah.

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And I think within that,

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there's the piece of being able to

00:22:18.144 --> 00:22:21.768
recognize, I don't know,

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what

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where I wanted what I'm actually doing

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right in my practice right now,

00:22:26.856 --> 00:22:28.317
which is really, you know,

00:22:28.458 --> 00:22:30.740
with my trainings and trauma, right?

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We have like EMDR,

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we have like a little bit of brain

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spotting.

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We have like IFS, we have like CPT,

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there's all these different modalities and

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they're all speaking the same language.

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And ultimately what all of them have us

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do to some extent is to like be

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with the body.

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And I don't think that therapy, ten,

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fifteen years ago was doing that as much.

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I think it was like,

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let's think our way out of this,

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you know?

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So, like I said,

00:22:53.458 --> 00:22:55.980
as a recovering like intellectualizer,

00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:56.921
somebody who like, oh,

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I can solve all my problems by changing

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my thoughts,

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which is like a little baloney.

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Right.

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I've really like I've found some space for

00:23:05.127 --> 00:23:07.691
myself to like play with EMDR for myself,

00:23:08.431 --> 00:23:09.672
like do some somatic work,

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which is like way more woo than I

00:23:12.013 --> 00:23:13.335
fully understand what the hell we're

00:23:13.355 --> 00:23:13.655
doing.

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But.

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It works, you know.

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And also,

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I think the other piece that I've really

00:23:19.603 --> 00:23:21.023
leaned in towards as well is just kind

00:23:21.044 --> 00:23:23.846
of like acceptance of where things are at.

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Because I think we can waste a ton

00:23:26.067 --> 00:23:28.609
of energy trying to like make anxiety go

00:23:28.630 --> 00:23:31.532
away or like not be angry or whatever,

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as opposed to just leaning into like it

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is and it makes sense that it is.

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And that's it.

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that's okay yeah you know well and i

00:23:39.458 --> 00:23:40.817
i talked about this recently in the

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polyvagal episode um after that research

00:23:43.878 --> 00:23:47.240
came out and like yeah i i will

00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.681
regularly complain about ifs not because i

00:23:49.701 --> 00:23:51.221
don't think it helps people but because i

00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.980
think richard schwartz is really weird and

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like thinks people get possessed by demons

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and i think we should call that out

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right um

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You know,

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I think I talk a lot about,

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I agree, ten,

00:24:02.348 --> 00:24:03.909
fifteen years ago when I was in school,

00:24:04.108 --> 00:24:05.690
we didn't do any somatic based stuff.

00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:05.769
No.

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Well, fellow Marquette person.

00:24:08.570 --> 00:24:10.490
Yeah.

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Right.

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It was all evidence based practice.

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And I come from Minnesota,

00:24:14.313 --> 00:24:15.952
which is a much bigger research

00:24:16.012 --> 00:24:16.633
institution.

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So Marquette's evidence based practice

00:24:18.314 --> 00:24:20.654
seemed really sad compared to this big

00:24:20.775 --> 00:24:21.714
research institution.

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But that's not what we do in the

00:24:24.276 --> 00:24:25.296
room predominantly.

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Right.

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And so you're in this space with another

00:24:28.719 --> 00:24:31.561
person and that physical space that that

00:24:31.602 --> 00:24:33.063
body component does matter.

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And so I think, you know,

00:24:34.644 --> 00:24:36.366
body keeps the score changed a lot of

00:24:36.807 --> 00:24:38.749
the trajectory of our fields.

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And I'll also call out Bessel van der

00:24:40.510 --> 00:24:42.472
Kolk's poor management style.

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He's a bit of an ass in real

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life.

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And again, like there are pieces.

00:24:46.681 --> 00:24:48.162
I think what you're speaking to is like

00:24:48.182 --> 00:24:49.403
we're pulling these pieces.

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We're not dogmatic.

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And every therapist should learn this

00:24:53.207 --> 00:24:55.128
modality because it works all the time.

00:24:55.368 --> 00:24:56.971
And you've been in therapy for long

00:24:57.010 --> 00:24:57.171
enough.

00:24:57.211 --> 00:24:59.252
You realize there isn't a modality that

00:24:59.292 --> 00:25:00.114
works for everybody.

00:25:00.213 --> 00:25:02.757
This is part of our work is being

00:25:03.017 --> 00:25:04.218
skilled therapists.

00:25:04.377 --> 00:25:06.240
in knowing which modality to use,

00:25:06.380 --> 00:25:08.201
in being able to pull from multiple

00:25:08.281 --> 00:25:10.784
techniques and different practices to help

00:25:10.824 --> 00:25:12.164
our client wherever they're at.

00:25:13.747 --> 00:25:15.949
And so I think naturally good therapists

00:25:17.851 --> 00:25:18.770
do this, right?

00:25:18.851 --> 00:25:21.773
Like I think being able to pull from

00:25:21.814 --> 00:25:23.516
a lot of different things and we're humans

00:25:23.556 --> 00:25:23.796
too.

00:25:23.855 --> 00:25:25.817
And so as we experience our own lives

00:25:25.877 --> 00:25:27.578
and we go through the poly crisis along

00:25:27.619 --> 00:25:28.460
with everyone else,

00:25:29.775 --> 00:25:31.997
We learn things as we do our own

00:25:32.057 --> 00:25:33.998
work and try and manage as best we

00:25:34.018 --> 00:25:34.798
can.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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And I think that a lot of like,

00:25:39.781 --> 00:25:40.163
I don't know,

00:25:40.383 --> 00:25:41.383
like in the back of my head to

00:25:41.403 --> 00:25:43.825
my people have been like having emotional

00:25:43.964 --> 00:25:46.487
wounds since before psychology was even a

00:25:46.567 --> 00:25:47.028
science.

00:25:47.928 --> 00:25:50.049
There isn't like an answer we're going to

00:25:50.089 --> 00:25:52.173
find that is like the perfect therapy for

00:25:52.212 --> 00:25:53.133
everything, you know.

00:25:53.473 --> 00:25:54.434
So I think some of it does have

00:25:54.474 --> 00:25:57.377
to be common sense of like you have

00:25:57.397 --> 00:25:58.838
to like feel it to heal it.

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Like that's like that makes sense.

00:26:01.541 --> 00:26:01.842
You know,

00:26:01.922 --> 00:26:03.864
avoidance probably isn't always going to

00:26:03.884 --> 00:26:04.404
be the answer.

00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.602
um yeah and i think like the the

00:26:07.622 --> 00:26:08.762
problem i have with a lot of the

00:26:08.782 --> 00:26:11.324
specific modalities that are so rigid like

00:26:11.505 --> 00:26:14.226
i i won't do like formal ifs right

00:26:14.246 --> 00:26:16.567
i'll call it parts work because i like

00:26:16.807 --> 00:26:19.029
i really believe in like different parts

00:26:19.109 --> 00:26:20.810
and different like activating pieces that

00:26:20.851 --> 00:26:22.372
make sense to me and i can like

00:26:22.531 --> 00:26:24.673
also feel it in my body and how

00:26:24.814 --> 00:26:27.255
i experience life and i think it's a

00:26:27.355 --> 00:26:28.936
useful tool for people to do some of

00:26:28.997 --> 00:26:29.217
like

00:26:30.522 --> 00:26:30.843
I don't know,

00:26:30.863 --> 00:26:33.724
that like personalization of some of

00:26:34.065 --> 00:26:35.445
different states that they have to really

00:26:35.465 --> 00:26:37.186
get to know themselves and what they need.

00:26:37.787 --> 00:26:39.188
Because I don't think we were like,

00:26:39.208 --> 00:26:40.808
especially like the millennial generation,

00:26:40.828 --> 00:26:42.450
like we were not taught to do that.

00:26:44.451 --> 00:26:47.512
No.

00:26:47.532 --> 00:26:50.494
Longtime listeners know my take on IFS is

00:26:50.535 --> 00:26:52.296
just it's narrative therapy for people who

00:26:52.355 --> 00:26:53.717
are bad at coming up with their own

00:26:53.757 --> 00:26:54.217
metaphors.

00:26:56.630 --> 00:26:57.651
Because that's all it is.

00:26:57.691 --> 00:26:58.751
We're storytelling creatures.

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And again,

00:26:59.451 --> 00:27:02.054
I think going back to indigenous knowledge

00:27:02.233 --> 00:27:06.657
and previous generations, our ancestors,

00:27:08.219 --> 00:27:10.601
we're telling stories and we're healing in

00:27:10.681 --> 00:27:12.843
community and we're doing all these things

00:27:12.923 --> 00:27:14.263
because our brains are wired to tell

00:27:14.284 --> 00:27:14.763
stories.

00:27:14.943 --> 00:27:18.787
And so if the story is IFS parts

00:27:18.826 --> 00:27:19.728
work, that's great.

00:27:19.827 --> 00:27:20.909
Like, again, it's...

00:27:22.445 --> 00:27:24.047
I'm critical of the systems that make

00:27:24.086 --> 00:27:25.627
money off of educating people and helping

00:27:25.647 --> 00:27:27.869
them heal more than I'm critical of the

00:27:27.910 --> 00:27:28.590
healing process.

00:27:28.611 --> 00:27:29.270
For sure.

00:27:30.031 --> 00:27:30.451
Yeah.

00:27:30.511 --> 00:27:31.333
If that works, great.

00:27:31.553 --> 00:27:31.893
Awesome.

00:27:31.972 --> 00:27:32.673
Love that.

00:27:32.894 --> 00:27:34.454
Because our brain likes to tell stories

00:27:35.355 --> 00:27:38.798
and your inner child is part of your

00:27:38.857 --> 00:27:39.357
story.

00:27:39.638 --> 00:27:42.119
If, you know, however we word it,

00:27:43.260 --> 00:27:44.561
as long as it's meaningful to you,

00:27:44.602 --> 00:27:45.442
then we can work with it.

00:27:45.867 --> 00:27:46.208
Totally.

00:27:46.587 --> 00:27:46.708
Well,

00:27:46.728 --> 00:27:47.688
and I think the same thing with like

00:27:47.867 --> 00:27:49.769
EMDR, like it's so rigid and like,

00:27:50.169 --> 00:27:52.028
it doesn't actually like necessarily serve

00:27:52.048 --> 00:27:53.989
the brain if we go through like all

00:27:54.108 --> 00:27:56.869
like phase, like eight phases of EMDR,

00:27:57.109 --> 00:27:57.430
right?

00:27:58.289 --> 00:28:01.211
Like that's, we're not geared to do that.

00:28:01.250 --> 00:28:02.451
That's not like,

00:28:02.490 --> 00:28:03.570
that is to meet the need of a

00:28:03.590 --> 00:28:04.351
dissertation,

00:28:04.790 --> 00:28:06.832
not necessarily meet the need of clients,

00:28:07.172 --> 00:28:07.471
you know?

00:28:08.092 --> 00:28:10.092
That's to meet a need in like,

00:28:10.112 --> 00:28:12.792
we need two scales in there to like

00:28:12.813 --> 00:28:14.472
give it the evidence-based piece of it.

00:28:15.684 --> 00:28:17.105
Not necessarily to speak to healing.

00:28:17.665 --> 00:28:20.586
And when I am sitting in a brain

00:28:20.626 --> 00:28:21.646
spotting thing, it's like, okay,

00:28:22.028 --> 00:28:23.048
what are we doing in all of these

00:28:23.067 --> 00:28:23.248
things?

00:28:23.387 --> 00:28:26.088
We're sitting in the feeling and allowing

00:28:26.128 --> 00:28:28.329
that feeling to be understood,

00:28:28.369 --> 00:28:30.330
to have space, to offer comfort,

00:28:30.371 --> 00:28:31.931
to see it, to validate.

00:28:32.811 --> 00:28:34.613
That's all we're doing in all of these

00:28:34.712 --> 00:28:35.492
spaces.

00:28:36.333 --> 00:28:37.032
Yeah.

00:28:37.073 --> 00:28:37.973
And because neither of us are

00:28:38.034 --> 00:28:39.835
anti-science, to clarify,

00:28:40.115 --> 00:28:40.255
the

00:28:41.499 --> 00:28:43.840
the research continues to show what

00:28:43.902 --> 00:28:46.463
matters in the therapeutic healing space

00:28:46.503 --> 00:28:48.326
is the therapeutic relationship.

00:28:48.346 --> 00:28:51.189
So if you feel calm, comfortable,

00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:54.011
safe with your therapist who says EMDR

00:28:54.031 --> 00:28:54.732
should help, well,

00:28:54.833 --> 00:28:57.434
then some of that's EMDR,

00:28:57.474 --> 00:28:58.957
but a lot of that's just the relationship

00:28:58.977 --> 00:29:00.018
you built with this other person.

00:29:00.117 --> 00:29:00.959
Totally, totally.

00:29:01.058 --> 00:29:01.640
And there's- Go ahead.

00:29:01.660 --> 00:29:03.582
Yeah, no, go ahead.

00:29:05.089 --> 00:29:07.771
And that's why when therapists get too

00:29:07.811 --> 00:29:09.712
rigid, it stops serving people.

00:29:09.972 --> 00:29:11.134
I have a ton of people I've worked

00:29:11.153 --> 00:29:13.595
with over the years who hated EMDR because

00:29:14.375 --> 00:29:15.875
their therapist jumped right into it.

00:29:16.016 --> 00:29:18.257
And it is a little hokey and weird

00:29:18.498 --> 00:29:19.817
if you're not familiar with it.

00:29:20.078 --> 00:29:22.279
And they really didn't like it because

00:29:22.299 --> 00:29:23.539
that relationship wasn't there.

00:29:23.721 --> 00:29:24.641
And I think, you know,

00:29:25.561 --> 00:29:27.021
I know Lily does a lot of EMDR

00:29:27.041 --> 00:29:27.442
work.

00:29:29.150 --> 00:29:29.910
And like, again,

00:29:29.970 --> 00:29:31.910
focusing on the relationship first, right?

00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:34.651
Like that's the thing that moves it rather

00:29:34.671 --> 00:29:36.931
than the modality itself.

00:29:37.010 --> 00:29:37.191
Yeah.

00:29:37.651 --> 00:29:38.332
Well, and yeah,

00:29:38.352 --> 00:29:40.451
I think that's so accurate and true

00:29:40.491 --> 00:29:42.071
because I think that the main thing within

00:29:42.092 --> 00:29:44.232
that relationship with any evidence-based

00:29:44.272 --> 00:29:45.732
practice too, right?

00:29:45.752 --> 00:29:47.393
Like I think there is a huge benefit

00:29:47.413 --> 00:29:49.093
in CBT, right?

00:29:49.973 --> 00:29:51.374
And we also have to like be aware

00:29:51.394 --> 00:29:53.153
of like, what are we using CBT for?

00:29:53.233 --> 00:29:54.713
How are we trying to heal this?

00:29:55.074 --> 00:29:56.954
You know, and also like, I think about,

00:29:57.075 --> 00:29:57.894
I was just talking with...

00:29:59.157 --> 00:29:59.877
The Benedict Center,

00:29:59.897 --> 00:30:01.358
I don't know if you're familiar with them.

00:30:01.459 --> 00:30:02.200
Yep.

00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:05.402
But they were talking and they have so

00:30:05.442 --> 00:30:07.883
like limited resources.

00:30:08.304 --> 00:30:08.604
Right.

00:30:08.624 --> 00:30:10.125
So they were talking about like the

00:30:10.384 --> 00:30:10.984
therapy,

00:30:11.105 --> 00:30:12.766
the therapeutic services they can offer

00:30:13.047 --> 00:30:14.488
end up being like one on one level

00:30:14.508 --> 00:30:15.208
like therapy.

00:30:15.288 --> 00:30:15.468
Like,

00:30:15.827 --> 00:30:17.148
let's just give you some like quick

00:30:17.189 --> 00:30:17.548
skills,

00:30:17.588 --> 00:30:19.911
some things that you can utilize CBT, DBT,

00:30:19.951 --> 00:30:21.412
like those evidence based practices are

00:30:21.432 --> 00:30:21.672
great.

00:30:22.441 --> 00:30:24.443
And then we've been talking about how can

00:30:24.463 --> 00:30:26.126
we have some sort of partnership so that

00:30:26.146 --> 00:30:28.971
there's referral spaces for people who are

00:30:28.990 --> 00:30:31.214
really want to go to the next level

00:30:31.295 --> 00:30:33.878
of therapy or need that extra resource or

00:30:33.898 --> 00:30:34.640
that extra time.

00:30:37.301 --> 00:30:40.365
Well, and, you know, part of my healing,

00:30:40.384 --> 00:30:41.205
part of my journey,

00:30:41.926 --> 00:30:43.188
adding the religious trauma specialty,

00:30:43.228 --> 00:30:44.589
but then I got trained in working with

00:30:44.609 --> 00:30:46.192
psychedelics because so many of my clients

00:30:46.211 --> 00:30:46.991
were interested in it.

00:30:47.593 --> 00:30:49.234
And again, it's the same.

00:30:49.295 --> 00:30:51.277
I'm not over the moon about like everybody

00:30:51.297 --> 00:30:53.118
should do psychedelics and it works great.

00:30:53.579 --> 00:30:55.362
It's a tool, right?

00:30:55.582 --> 00:30:57.044
It works really great for some people.

00:30:57.663 --> 00:30:57.924
Yeah.

00:30:58.855 --> 00:31:00.678
but again i like those types of things

00:31:00.818 --> 00:31:02.260
i do a lot of dbt in my

00:31:02.300 --> 00:31:05.747
work as basic emotional regulation and

00:31:05.787 --> 00:31:08.070
distress tolerance yeah like again as you

00:31:08.111 --> 00:31:10.355
mentioned earlier like we're not the only

00:31:10.414 --> 00:31:11.836
generation who didn't learn that stuff

00:31:13.395 --> 00:31:16.596
So I think starting there and then having

00:31:16.656 --> 00:31:18.376
something that helps to move it to the

00:31:18.497 --> 00:31:20.538
next level for people who want is really

00:31:20.577 --> 00:31:20.917
helpful.

00:31:21.077 --> 00:31:22.939
I like something like psychedelics because

00:31:22.979 --> 00:31:23.298
again,

00:31:23.358 --> 00:31:26.019
looking at less of the Western knowledge

00:31:26.118 --> 00:31:27.880
and moving into a more like two-eyed

00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:29.579
seeing space where we're trying to honor

00:31:30.181 --> 00:31:31.780
indigenous practices and things people

00:31:31.800 --> 00:31:32.320
doing forever,

00:31:32.340 --> 00:31:34.041
like plant-based medicine has been around

00:31:34.082 --> 00:31:34.801
for a long time.

00:31:35.834 --> 00:31:37.055
Does it mean I'm anti-vaccine?

00:31:37.154 --> 00:31:38.595
No, like go get your vaccines.

00:31:38.836 --> 00:31:41.696
And there's this thing that grows that

00:31:41.817 --> 00:31:44.238
helps people in various ways if we can

00:31:44.317 --> 00:31:45.618
put the right context around it.

00:31:45.739 --> 00:31:47.220
And so I think, again,

00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:49.000
I think as you, as you mentioned,

00:31:49.020 --> 00:31:50.361
and we're highlighting here, like the,

00:31:51.781 --> 00:31:54.242
the growth we continue to do as therapists

00:31:54.743 --> 00:31:55.624
only, you know,

00:31:55.663 --> 00:31:57.505
serves to benefit our clients because we

00:31:57.545 --> 00:31:59.286
share that, what we are learning too.

00:31:59.746 --> 00:32:00.145
Totally.

00:32:00.306 --> 00:32:00.626
Totally.

00:32:00.926 --> 00:32:01.666
Well, and I know, like,

00:32:01.727 --> 00:32:03.067
I'm also speaking from a context,

00:32:03.107 --> 00:32:05.449
like a lot of my client caseload.

00:32:06.106 --> 00:32:07.307
are people who have been in therapy for

00:32:07.326 --> 00:32:10.009
ten years and haven't felt the progress.

00:32:10.108 --> 00:32:10.429
You know,

00:32:10.568 --> 00:32:13.490
so like they've they have they've been CBT

00:32:14.569 --> 00:32:15.250
to the max.

00:32:15.270 --> 00:32:16.691
You know, at this point, it's like like,

00:32:16.711 --> 00:32:18.951
I don't know, unraveling.

00:32:19.211 --> 00:32:19.511
Right.

00:32:19.551 --> 00:32:21.113
If I'm using the knitting example from

00:32:21.133 --> 00:32:21.353
before,

00:32:21.393 --> 00:32:24.314
like unraveling some of that

00:32:24.374 --> 00:32:26.454
intellectualized place and kind of just

00:32:26.535 --> 00:32:28.715
making it like creating a safe space for

00:32:28.736 --> 00:32:30.375
people to be in their bodies, you know.

00:32:30.655 --> 00:32:30.856
Right.

00:32:30.896 --> 00:32:32.717
So I think that's why I think all

00:32:32.777 --> 00:32:34.157
of this is like so nuanced,

00:32:34.218 --> 00:32:34.597
because

00:32:35.269 --> 00:32:36.570
Like I may be speaking to like a

00:32:36.611 --> 00:32:37.451
specific clientele,

00:32:37.491 --> 00:32:38.733
you may be speaking to a specific

00:32:38.773 --> 00:32:39.334
clientele,

00:32:39.634 --> 00:32:40.935
but that's why like really finding that

00:32:41.036 --> 00:32:43.659
fit and therapist is like so, so valuable.

00:32:44.420 --> 00:32:44.680
Yeah.

00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:45.601
And,

00:32:45.661 --> 00:32:47.202
and it's hard to heal when there's so

00:32:47.242 --> 00:32:48.845
many ongoing traumas.

00:32:48.865 --> 00:32:50.886
Oh my gosh.

00:32:50.926 --> 00:32:51.166
Right.

00:32:51.247 --> 00:32:52.528
Like, like I don't,

00:32:52.969 --> 00:32:54.230
I didn't have this frame of reference when

00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:56.333
I started doing therapy years ago,

00:32:56.393 --> 00:32:57.453
but like now it's like, well,

00:32:58.088 --> 00:32:59.809
I'm not necessarily interested in managing

00:32:59.869 --> 00:33:01.131
for someone to like be able to go

00:33:01.151 --> 00:33:02.412
back to work or just to be able

00:33:02.432 --> 00:33:03.333
to like participate.

00:33:03.393 --> 00:33:06.415
Like it is sitting in some of the

00:33:06.435 --> 00:33:08.797
discomfort and it is letting our body

00:33:09.518 --> 00:33:12.519
exist the way it wants to in fucked

00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:13.181
up times,

00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:15.363
like to be happy and healthy and whole

00:33:15.982 --> 00:33:17.743
when the world's on fire in so many

00:33:17.763 --> 00:33:18.345
different ways,

00:33:18.525 --> 00:33:19.905
like I don't think is natural.

00:33:20.006 --> 00:33:21.547
Yeah.

00:33:21.647 --> 00:33:22.929
Like it doesn't make sense.

00:33:23.048 --> 00:33:23.189
Yeah.

00:33:25.111 --> 00:33:26.511
that's not something we were taught in

00:33:26.551 --> 00:33:27.752
school that's not something we learned

00:33:27.772 --> 00:33:29.114
that's something we learned by being

00:33:29.173 --> 00:33:31.395
humans ourselves first and then having to

00:33:31.435 --> 00:33:33.198
learn how to do our own work and

00:33:33.218 --> 00:33:35.400
then trying to help people totally in

00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:37.280
their in their journeys not that we're

00:33:37.721 --> 00:33:42.506
know-it-alls but we know something further

00:33:42.546 --> 00:33:44.707
along in in the process than some people

00:33:44.767 --> 00:33:47.209
again like I start with just like basic

00:33:47.349 --> 00:33:49.631
emotional tolerance distress tolerance for

00:33:49.651 --> 00:33:51.153
a lot of my clients because it's like

00:33:51.192 --> 00:33:51.413
yeah

00:33:52.219 --> 00:33:52.759
If we can't,

00:33:53.058 --> 00:33:54.279
if we can't even do that stuff,

00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:55.461
then we don't know what we're feeling.

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:57.461
We don't know what our body's doing.

00:33:57.501 --> 00:34:00.083
So we talked around your group,

00:34:00.143 --> 00:34:01.804
but I feel like you didn't, you didn't.

00:34:01.824 --> 00:34:02.064
Yeah.

00:34:02.324 --> 00:34:02.544
Yeah.

00:34:02.845 --> 00:34:03.664
We'll segue into it.

00:34:03.704 --> 00:34:04.105
Explain it.

00:34:04.505 --> 00:34:04.766
Yeah.

00:34:04.865 --> 00:34:06.767
So I think even kind of what you

00:34:06.807 --> 00:34:07.426
were like,

00:34:07.446 --> 00:34:09.248
just talking about a segue for us, right.

00:34:09.788 --> 00:34:12.228
Of like sitting into stress tolerance.

00:34:12.329 --> 00:34:15.451
Like I have this group that I'm getting

00:34:15.490 --> 00:34:15.851
rolling.

00:34:15.911 --> 00:34:17.632
It's reparenting your inner child.

00:34:18.432 --> 00:34:18.492
Um,

00:34:19.451 --> 00:34:23.335
Because I think there's a lot of examples

00:34:23.355 --> 00:34:24.356
that I know I have,

00:34:24.416 --> 00:34:25.996
even just from parenting my own kids,

00:34:26.577 --> 00:34:28.159
of moments that I'm showing up differently

00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.302
than how I was showing up for.

00:34:32.472 --> 00:34:34.512
That doesn't necessarily mean that my

00:34:34.572 --> 00:34:36.112
parents were bad.

00:34:36.193 --> 00:34:37.112
But the education,

00:34:37.132 --> 00:34:39.094
the parenting knowledge hasn't always been

00:34:39.134 --> 00:34:39.393
there.

00:34:39.833 --> 00:34:41.153
I know financial resources weren't

00:34:41.193 --> 00:34:42.034
necessarily there.

00:34:42.855 --> 00:34:44.235
There were a lot of barriers to why

00:34:44.275 --> 00:34:45.014
I didn't get that.

00:34:45.775 --> 00:34:47.096
And there's some privilege that I have now

00:34:47.155 --> 00:34:48.835
in being able to have that reflection and

00:34:48.856 --> 00:34:49.436
go back.

00:34:51.516 --> 00:34:52.336
Especially for my kids,

00:34:52.356 --> 00:34:53.657
that would be kind of like my why

00:34:53.677 --> 00:34:54.197
within this.

00:34:54.237 --> 00:34:55.338
But I think there's a lot of people

00:34:55.378 --> 00:34:57.458
who may not even have children who are

00:34:57.539 --> 00:34:57.878
having

00:34:59.025 --> 00:35:02.291
like really intense reactions or really

00:35:02.331 --> 00:35:04.434
intense emotional things kind of coming

00:35:04.514 --> 00:35:06.538
up, relational kind of challenges,

00:35:06.697 --> 00:35:07.840
all these different pieces.

00:35:09.617 --> 00:35:10.976
And a lot of it, you know,

00:35:11.016 --> 00:35:13.978
I will call like as like activated parts,

00:35:14.177 --> 00:35:17.659
a child part that maybe didn't get the

00:35:18.338 --> 00:35:19.679
skills, support,

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:21.440
nurture and compassion that it needed.

00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:23.420
Maybe it was told, you know,

00:35:23.481 --> 00:35:25.161
that that's not OK to feel right.

00:35:25.181 --> 00:35:26.320
Maybe there's shame and guilt around it.

00:35:26.521 --> 00:35:28.981
Maybe there is minimizing.

00:35:29.282 --> 00:35:30.181
Oh, that feeling doesn't matter.

00:35:30.202 --> 00:35:30.422
You're OK.

00:35:30.442 --> 00:35:30.702
Right.

00:35:31.742 --> 00:35:33.643
So like those kinds of experiences,

00:35:33.702 --> 00:35:34.023
I think,

00:35:34.682 --> 00:35:36.023
live in the body and

00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.902
like at a time will be kind of

00:35:39.081 --> 00:35:43.346
like called up to the forefront and need

00:35:43.365 --> 00:35:44.327
some attention and healing.

00:35:44.407 --> 00:35:45.807
And I don't think that there's a lot

00:35:45.847 --> 00:35:47.449
of spaces to do that or to name

00:35:47.469 --> 00:35:49.150
that or to allow for that.

00:35:49.231 --> 00:35:52.554
So I wanted to put together something

00:35:52.594 --> 00:35:53.875
cause I was reflecting on what am I

00:35:53.914 --> 00:35:54.856
actually doing here?

00:35:55.617 --> 00:35:58.239
And really I'm like helping people like

00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:00.621
reparent and like find compassion and

00:36:00.641 --> 00:36:01.061
nurturing.

00:36:01.746 --> 00:36:04.467
You know, so that's kind of where I,

00:36:04.708 --> 00:36:04.768
I,

00:36:04.909 --> 00:36:06.570
how I kind of tied all of my

00:36:06.889 --> 00:36:08.550
experiences together into this group.

00:36:09.331 --> 00:36:11.231
Um, so that's,

00:36:11.391 --> 00:36:14.554
that's what I'm hoping to do here.

00:36:14.713 --> 00:36:15.313
Yeah.

00:36:15.414 --> 00:36:16.755
And that starts in,

00:36:17.375 --> 00:36:18.815
so I'm hoping to start at mid April.

00:36:18.835 --> 00:36:19.735
Um,

00:36:19.775 --> 00:36:22.697
right now I have a form that can

00:36:22.717 --> 00:36:24.778
be completed that again is on the website

00:36:24.898 --> 00:36:26.559
under like the group, um,

00:36:27.556 --> 00:36:31.181
the group events tabby thing um so again

00:36:31.201 --> 00:36:34.204
Firefly Counseling mke um and then the

00:36:34.224 --> 00:36:36.266
groups and it basically has like some

00:36:36.347 --> 00:36:38.268
available times that the group could be at

00:36:38.889 --> 00:36:40.190
um and then that preference for like

00:36:40.231 --> 00:36:44.976
virtual or um in person and I'll I'll

00:36:44.996 --> 00:36:47.278
compile them as I get interested parties

00:36:47.458 --> 00:36:47.940
and get

00:36:49.215 --> 00:36:50.396
get a group up and rolling with what

00:36:50.737 --> 00:36:52.860
makes sense for the most people.

00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:54.882
I would love to be able to potentially

00:36:54.902 --> 00:36:56.364
start two groups at once at two different

00:36:56.425 --> 00:36:56.844
times.

00:36:57.405 --> 00:36:58.166
But we'll see.

00:36:58.206 --> 00:36:59.748
We'll see what the interest is.

00:37:00.911 --> 00:37:02.592
The group is going to be structured.

00:37:02.652 --> 00:37:03.733
So it's eight sessions.

00:37:04.494 --> 00:37:07.336
um and you know ultimately we're going to

00:37:07.737 --> 00:37:10.498
have some space and time just to um

00:37:10.518 --> 00:37:12.601
like build get some psychoeducation on

00:37:12.621 --> 00:37:14.601
just like what is what is like low

00:37:14.641 --> 00:37:16.842
t or small t trauma big t trauma

00:37:16.902 --> 00:37:18.425
what how does this exist in the body

00:37:19.065 --> 00:37:21.146
um what are parts like what are we

00:37:21.206 --> 00:37:23.927
doing here um just to have that context

00:37:23.947 --> 00:37:26.309
and that psychoeducation and then like you

00:37:26.329 --> 00:37:27.570
were saying kind of moving into some of

00:37:27.590 --> 00:37:29.172
that like the grounding and the coping

00:37:29.211 --> 00:37:31.512
strategies the distress tolerance how do

00:37:31.532 --> 00:37:33.715
we kind of lean into that with skills

00:37:35.755 --> 00:37:37.056
And then really leaning into like,

00:37:37.496 --> 00:37:40.358
who is your child part or parts,

00:37:40.597 --> 00:37:40.818
you know,

00:37:40.838 --> 00:37:42.418
getting to know those parts specifically

00:37:42.458 --> 00:37:44.599
for you and how do they show up

00:37:44.898 --> 00:37:46.219
and where do they live in your body?

00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:47.340
How do they manifest?

00:37:48.641 --> 00:37:50.641
What times do they tend to come to

00:37:50.681 --> 00:37:51.262
the forefront?

00:37:52.085 --> 00:37:52.865
And then, you know,

00:37:52.905 --> 00:37:54.626
the goal of really the group is for

00:37:54.686 --> 00:37:55.567
us to kind of get to this,

00:37:55.827 --> 00:37:57.327
the end of the group where we're able

00:37:57.347 --> 00:37:58.708
to just kind of like learn how do

00:37:58.728 --> 00:38:00.851
we sit with and nurture these parts?

00:38:01.210 --> 00:38:03.291
How do we give ourselves what we weren't

00:38:03.311 --> 00:38:04.313
given as kids?

00:38:06.213 --> 00:38:08.496
How do we help soothe when these parts

00:38:08.615 --> 00:38:11.577
inevitably continue to come up in life to

00:38:11.617 --> 00:38:12.217
kind of just help?

00:38:12.648 --> 00:38:14.188
impact our like day to day coping.

00:38:15.148 --> 00:38:16.829
So that's kind of the goal of what

00:38:16.869 --> 00:38:17.389
I wanted to do.

00:38:17.449 --> 00:38:18.289
I thought it'd be cool.

00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:20.190
And then I was like,

00:38:20.251 --> 00:38:20.851
I'll just do it.

00:38:20.871 --> 00:38:21.771
I'll put this out here.

00:38:22.251 --> 00:38:23.512
And then if I get some interest,

00:38:23.831 --> 00:38:25.432
we'll go and then I started getting some

00:38:25.532 --> 00:38:25.813
interest.

00:38:25.853 --> 00:38:26.353
So here we go.

00:38:27.422 --> 00:38:28.043
Yeah.

00:38:28.123 --> 00:38:29.065
And it is, I mean,

00:38:29.684 --> 00:38:32.047
you talk about for parents, I think it's,

00:38:32.407 --> 00:38:34.568
it comes up often.

00:38:35.289 --> 00:38:35.931
My boy is,

00:38:36.190 --> 00:38:38.012
my oldest is eight and he's at the

00:38:38.132 --> 00:38:40.815
age where he remembers things I've said in

00:38:40.835 --> 00:38:41.394
the past.

00:38:41.434 --> 00:38:42.436
So he'll say like, well,

00:38:42.456 --> 00:38:43.416
your mom and dad didn't let you do

00:38:43.436 --> 00:38:44.338
that.

00:38:44.637 --> 00:38:45.619
Oh no, gosh, no.

00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:47.561
We grew up super religious.

00:38:47.581 --> 00:38:47.940
Yeah.

00:38:49.577 --> 00:38:51.358
And so sometimes it comes up in ways

00:38:51.378 --> 00:38:52.940
that surprise me because he's connecting

00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:54.501
some dots and I have to tell him,

00:38:55.001 --> 00:38:55.222
you know,

00:38:55.262 --> 00:38:56.902
his grandparents are not mean or bad

00:38:56.943 --> 00:38:57.242
people.

00:38:58.784 --> 00:38:59.804
He shouldn't say that to them.

00:38:59.844 --> 00:39:03.088
That will hurt their feelings.

00:39:03.869 --> 00:39:04.889
But it's also, yeah,

00:39:04.909 --> 00:39:06.351
there are times where like things come up

00:39:06.431 --> 00:39:06.931
where it,

00:39:07.402 --> 00:39:09.105
We are parenting differently than we were

00:39:09.144 --> 00:39:10.507
parented.

00:39:10.527 --> 00:39:11.827
And I work with religious trauma as one

00:39:11.849 --> 00:39:12.568
of my specialties.

00:39:12.608 --> 00:39:14.851
And so even for people who aren't parents,

00:39:14.871 --> 00:39:15.452
like you mentioned,

00:39:15.472 --> 00:39:16.755
there's a lot that's triggering from our

00:39:16.775 --> 00:39:17.996
childhood for people who are raised in

00:39:18.036 --> 00:39:19.016
high control religions,

00:39:19.137 --> 00:39:21.019
authoritarian groups, cults,

00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:22.260
as we would understand them.

00:39:25.030 --> 00:39:26.411
just the current administration is really

00:39:26.431 --> 00:39:26.891
triggering.

00:39:26.952 --> 00:39:29.653
Like the environment of our day-to-day

00:39:29.693 --> 00:39:30.635
life feels unsafe.

00:39:30.835 --> 00:39:31.655
And so, right,

00:39:31.695 --> 00:39:34.858
like having some framework to be able to,

00:39:35.177 --> 00:39:37.460
you said, feel it to heal it.

00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:38.860
I talk about name it to tame it

00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.320
a lot.

00:39:39.641 --> 00:39:40.541
We like to rhyme.

00:39:40.561 --> 00:39:43.284
It's these mnemonic devices.

00:39:44.585 --> 00:39:46.485
For when we inevitably sell our books so

00:39:46.545 --> 00:39:47.666
that there's something catchy.

00:39:47.686 --> 00:39:48.547
Totally.

00:39:49.985 --> 00:39:52.108
but but this idea that like the awareness

00:39:52.128 --> 00:39:54.329
has to be there first and so it

00:39:54.369 --> 00:39:56.570
can't be this amorphous blob sort of fear

00:39:56.610 --> 00:39:58.092
of the darkness that we're dealing with it

00:39:58.112 --> 00:40:00.134
has to be something that we can put

00:40:00.153 --> 00:40:01.594
some parameters on it so that we can

00:40:01.635 --> 00:40:04.036
start to work with it and totally yeah

00:40:04.336 --> 00:40:06.259
i think a lot of people are interested

00:40:06.278 --> 00:40:07.599
in healing and a lot of people are

00:40:07.659 --> 00:40:10.362
not waiting for things to get better

00:40:10.802 --> 00:40:13.945
because that might not happen yeah we got

00:40:13.985 --> 00:40:14.826
to do the work while

00:40:16.282 --> 00:40:17.005
everything's on fire.

00:40:17.425 --> 00:40:18.067
Yeah.

00:40:18.106 --> 00:40:18.867
Well, and I think this,

00:40:19.128 --> 00:40:21.833
this offers kind of like a timestamp

00:40:21.853 --> 00:40:22.715
piece, right?

00:40:22.735 --> 00:40:24.018
Like time to be carved out.

00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:25.380
eight weeks, you know,

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.420
it's not a huge time commitment, you know,

00:40:29.181 --> 00:40:29.400
um,

00:40:29.820 --> 00:40:31.161
but like really to kind of like carve

00:40:31.201 --> 00:40:33.282
out that space to kind of start to

00:40:33.302 --> 00:40:35.242
build some safety within some of these

00:40:35.282 --> 00:40:36.842
parts to give you some of those concrete

00:40:36.862 --> 00:40:38.603
skills to really kind of like play with

00:40:38.682 --> 00:40:40.563
it and like learn it and know that

00:40:40.583 --> 00:40:40.722
like,

00:40:40.742 --> 00:40:42.143
we're not going to like heal your inner

00:40:42.202 --> 00:40:43.704
child in like eight weeks.

00:40:43.844 --> 00:40:44.143
Right.

00:40:44.744 --> 00:40:45.043
Um,

00:40:45.063 --> 00:40:46.704
but how can we like help give you

00:40:46.724 --> 00:40:47.804
some of the frameworks so you can at

00:40:47.844 --> 00:40:49.244
least have some more awareness because

00:40:49.264 --> 00:40:50.364
that is the biggest thing that's going to

00:40:50.385 --> 00:40:50.585
help

00:40:51.144 --> 00:40:52.547
You be reflective and move forward.

00:40:53.807 --> 00:40:54.989
Another piece of this group that I think

00:40:55.048 --> 00:40:58.132
is cool is I really want to create

00:40:58.172 --> 00:41:01.114
like a comforting space for our kid parts.

00:41:01.295 --> 00:41:03.175
So like I'm really encouraging folks if

00:41:03.195 --> 00:41:05.157
they can to show up in like their

00:41:05.197 --> 00:41:08.201
most comfortable pajamas or sweats or like

00:41:08.701 --> 00:41:10.523
whatever their kid wants to wear.

00:41:10.543 --> 00:41:11.563
If they want to wear like a tutu,

00:41:11.684 --> 00:41:12.143
I don't care.

00:41:12.304 --> 00:41:12.525
Right.

00:41:13.206 --> 00:41:15.146
Bring blankets, bring a grounding object,

00:41:15.206 --> 00:41:17.148
bring a teddy, I don't care, a pillow.

00:41:17.927 --> 00:41:19.688
Because really I want to create some of

00:41:19.708 --> 00:41:20.510
that comfort,

00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:24.172
safe environment where we can not

00:41:24.192 --> 00:41:25.713
necessarily have this be like a therapy

00:41:25.753 --> 00:41:26.032
room,

00:41:26.112 --> 00:41:30.014
but be an environment where a kid would

00:41:30.054 --> 00:41:33.155
want to come and heal.

00:41:33.175 --> 00:41:35.237
Put your Juggalo face paint on if that's

00:41:35.257 --> 00:41:36.097
what makes you feel comfortable.

00:41:36.137 --> 00:41:36.557
Totally.

00:41:36.617 --> 00:41:37.719
I think I might dress up as a

00:41:37.759 --> 00:41:39.239
cat and have some whiskers or something.

00:41:42.047 --> 00:41:42.166
Yeah,

00:41:42.206 --> 00:41:47.148
I was just at a symposium and a

00:41:47.168 --> 00:41:48.670
lot of it was about relational play.

00:41:48.929 --> 00:41:51.291
And so we had some like improv practices

00:41:51.351 --> 00:41:52.010
and some things to do.

00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:54.492
And I'm neurodivergent and don't

00:41:54.552 --> 00:41:56.492
necessarily like being touched by people I

00:41:56.532 --> 00:41:57.253
don't know.

00:41:57.554 --> 00:41:59.574
And, you know, I'm an introvert.

00:41:59.614 --> 00:42:00.695
So a lot of things that I'm like,

00:42:00.835 --> 00:42:02.496
I don't like this stuff.

00:42:02.815 --> 00:42:05.016
And it's like, but I should participate.

00:42:05.677 --> 00:42:06.376
And it was fun.

00:42:06.476 --> 00:42:07.237
It was like, good.

00:42:07.297 --> 00:42:08.358
It was lovely, right?

00:42:08.478 --> 00:42:10.559
And again, like, I think...

00:42:13.648 --> 00:42:14.668
you're talking about in-person and

00:42:14.688 --> 00:42:16.309
virtual, but like the in-person piece,

00:42:16.349 --> 00:42:18.210
being able to like play and like be

00:42:18.251 --> 00:42:20.512
playful in community is,

00:42:21.632 --> 00:42:25.416
it doesn't fix anything and it's really

00:42:25.436 --> 00:42:25.755
healing.

00:42:26.315 --> 00:42:26.755
Totally.

00:42:27.016 --> 00:42:27.137
Well,

00:42:27.157 --> 00:42:28.237
and I think the nice part about this

00:42:28.257 --> 00:42:30.679
group too is like, I, I'm,

00:42:31.139 --> 00:42:32.539
I've never been like a big proponent that

00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:33.800
you have to like talk in group.

00:42:35.342 --> 00:42:37.282
So I think to know that like,

00:42:37.902 --> 00:42:39.364
Some of this group is going to be

00:42:39.403 --> 00:42:40.324
like self-reflective.

00:42:40.364 --> 00:42:41.425
Some of this is going to be more

00:42:41.445 --> 00:42:42.146
internal work.

00:42:43.367 --> 00:42:45.230
There's going to be spaces to share if

00:42:45.349 --> 00:42:47.092
that's what your part needs.

00:42:47.112 --> 00:42:48.532
But if you sit here and say nothing

00:42:48.554 --> 00:42:50.675
the entire time you're here.

00:42:50.735 --> 00:42:50.856
Yeah.

00:42:51.943 --> 00:42:53.304
I don't care, that's okay.

00:42:54.324 --> 00:42:56.045
So really kind of to create that safety

00:42:56.644 --> 00:42:58.846
and to also provide that space, you know,

00:42:58.885 --> 00:43:00.865
to have some of that, you know,

00:43:00.885 --> 00:43:03.847
guided reflection and some of those like

00:43:04.027 --> 00:43:06.208
own like internal experiences that we're

00:43:06.467 --> 00:43:07.208
so missing too.

00:43:07.248 --> 00:43:08.628
So that's really kind of the,

00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:11.521
The main goal here, and at least hearing,

00:43:11.681 --> 00:43:12.802
even if you don't share,

00:43:12.961 --> 00:43:15.322
hearing other people's perspectives or

00:43:15.342 --> 00:43:16.324
what they're navigating from,

00:43:16.864 --> 00:43:18.244
hoping that that offers a little bit of

00:43:18.264 --> 00:43:19.905
that normalization as well,

00:43:19.945 --> 00:43:21.246
that we're not alone in this.

00:43:21.286 --> 00:43:23.487
We're all finding our ways through and

00:43:23.527 --> 00:43:24.208
fumbling around.

00:43:25.224 --> 00:43:25.565
Yeah,

00:43:25.644 --> 00:43:27.346
us therapists see that all the time

00:43:27.365 --> 00:43:28.666
because we see so many people in a

00:43:28.706 --> 00:43:28.965
week.

00:43:28.985 --> 00:43:30.585
But I think that's what makes groups

00:43:30.626 --> 00:43:32.306
really helpful for people is like,

00:43:32.327 --> 00:43:33.447
they're not hearing it from us.

00:43:33.487 --> 00:43:35.768
They're hearing it from other regular

00:43:35.788 --> 00:43:36.128
people.

00:43:36.188 --> 00:43:37.728
And everybody thinks they've got like

00:43:37.748 --> 00:43:39.708
their big bad stuff in their closet.

00:43:39.809 --> 00:43:43.369
And like, it's not normal human stuff.

00:43:43.429 --> 00:43:43.909
Absolutely.

00:43:44.443 --> 00:43:46.684
absolutely and none of us had a perfect

00:43:46.724 --> 00:43:50.168
childhood you know even even people who

00:43:50.288 --> 00:43:51.869
feel like oh i have like a great

00:43:52.150 --> 00:43:54.532
great parents great kids like okay you

00:43:54.552 --> 00:43:55.532
can't tell me you were never like

00:43:55.833 --> 00:43:59.036
humiliated as a first grader right you

00:43:59.076 --> 00:44:00.597
can't tell me that you never had a

00:44:00.657 --> 00:44:01.617
friend say they didn't want to be friends

00:44:01.637 --> 00:44:02.378
with you right

00:44:02.938 --> 00:44:05.099
Like we've had all of these experiences

00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:06.719
and they help us shape how we see

00:44:06.780 --> 00:44:08.380
ourselves in the world and other people.

00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:10.300
And to really,

00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:11.800
to be able to like spend time with

00:44:11.820 --> 00:44:13.041
those parts and help them heal and

00:44:13.081 --> 00:44:15.342
recover, I think, I don't know,

00:44:15.422 --> 00:44:16.722
is my small way that I'm helping to

00:44:16.742 --> 00:44:17.983
like heal the world.

00:44:19.762 --> 00:44:19.864
Yay.

00:44:19.923 --> 00:44:22.483
Well, and you know, and like, again,

00:44:23.184 --> 00:44:25.065
there are parts of this,

00:44:25.085 --> 00:44:26.324
there are parts of parts work that I

00:44:26.344 --> 00:44:28.525
get a little like eye rolly about and

00:44:28.545 --> 00:44:28.865
it's like,

00:44:29.693 --> 00:44:30.932
it's where a lot of brain development

00:44:30.972 --> 00:44:32.934
happens and we're imprinting and like how

00:44:32.954 --> 00:44:34.835
many planets are there is the example I

00:44:34.855 --> 00:44:35.394
always use.

00:44:35.454 --> 00:44:37.215
Like those of us who were taught nine

00:44:37.815 --> 00:44:39.237
when we were eight or nine years old,

00:44:39.297 --> 00:44:40.657
that's locked in forever.

00:44:40.916 --> 00:44:43.077
Even if we know the right answer now.

00:44:43.177 --> 00:44:43.677
Yeah.

00:44:43.717 --> 00:44:44.699
It throws me off every time I see

00:44:44.759 --> 00:44:45.778
us in the solar system.

00:44:46.842 --> 00:44:47.943
But some of the stuff you learn at

00:44:47.963 --> 00:44:48.423
that age,

00:44:48.443 --> 00:44:51.186
some of that stuff that we're experiencing

00:44:51.306 --> 00:44:53.168
is imprinted in a different way because of

00:44:53.208 --> 00:44:53.949
our brain development.

00:44:54.088 --> 00:44:55.429
It's not Freudian,

00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:56.731
let's go back to your childhood.

00:44:56.751 --> 00:44:57.072
It's like, oh,

00:44:57.092 --> 00:44:59.012
because some of that stuff sticks

00:44:59.092 --> 00:44:59.514
differently.

00:44:59.534 --> 00:44:59.634
Yeah.

00:45:00.414 --> 00:45:00.554
Well,

00:45:00.574 --> 00:45:01.775
and I think the other piece of that

00:45:01.856 --> 00:45:03.157
too, kind of in an offshoot,

00:45:03.577 --> 00:45:05.679
is some of the stuff is implicit trauma.

00:45:06.128 --> 00:45:08.010
So if you didn't get the caring and

00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:10.271
nurturing that you needed when you were

00:45:10.351 --> 00:45:10.791
one or two,

00:45:10.831 --> 00:45:12.592
you don't have language for that.

00:45:12.672 --> 00:45:12.913
Right.

00:45:13.532 --> 00:45:15.393
But like your body may have a response

00:45:15.414 --> 00:45:17.594
or it may fail a certain way with

00:45:17.735 --> 00:45:19.295
within attachments and different kinds of

00:45:19.315 --> 00:45:20.876
attachments that you have with caregivers

00:45:21.817 --> 00:45:24.259
or with romantic partners or with your own

00:45:24.298 --> 00:45:25.900
kids or all of these things.

00:45:27.059 --> 00:45:28.340
Or they may react like if you have

00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:29.661
a need that's not being met.

00:45:29.802 --> 00:45:30.021
Right.

00:45:30.382 --> 00:45:31.943
You may feel like I have this huge

00:45:31.983 --> 00:45:32.782
emotional response.

00:45:32.802 --> 00:45:33.963
I don't know what the hell's going on.

00:45:34.585 --> 00:45:37.005
and that's okay and providing space for

00:45:37.025 --> 00:45:38.246
that too of like we don't always have

00:45:38.266 --> 00:45:39.967
to like understand everything that's going

00:45:40.067 --> 00:45:41.708
on i know like when i'm doing my

00:45:41.768 --> 00:45:43.148
semantic work i don't freaking know half

00:45:43.168 --> 00:45:45.570
the time what's happening and i can still

00:45:45.610 --> 00:45:49.431
hold space for it and offer compassion and

00:45:49.451 --> 00:45:51.331
like gratitude that it's like trying to do

00:45:51.391 --> 00:45:53.713
something to be helpful and productive um

00:45:53.813 --> 00:45:56.733
yeah and also validate where we are in

00:45:56.753 --> 00:45:59.094
this present place in time yeah

00:46:00.565 --> 00:46:02.268
So, yeah.

00:46:02.288 --> 00:46:04.369
And I love, uh, I love to just,

00:46:04.550 --> 00:46:04.971
you know, I,

00:46:05.291 --> 00:46:07.072
this is why I have the podcast is

00:46:07.132 --> 00:46:08.755
why I put so much content out for

00:46:08.795 --> 00:46:10.036
free because like, yeah,

00:46:10.056 --> 00:46:11.498
as a private practice owner who doesn't

00:46:11.518 --> 00:46:13.519
take insurance, like there is space,

00:46:13.539 --> 00:46:14.360
there is opportunity.

00:46:14.380 --> 00:46:15.501
I don't think everybody needs to run

00:46:15.521 --> 00:46:15.842
groups.

00:46:15.862 --> 00:46:18.405
I don't think everybody needs to have a

00:46:18.465 --> 00:46:20.987
podcast, but I think it's important.

00:46:21.268 --> 00:46:21.568
Um,

00:46:23.153 --> 00:46:24.516
to be able to reach people in a

00:46:24.556 --> 00:46:26.378
way that maybe they can't afford to work

00:46:26.398 --> 00:46:27.358
with us one-on-one.

00:46:27.398 --> 00:46:28.900
More people listen to my podcast every

00:46:28.920 --> 00:46:30.083
week than I see in my office.

00:46:30.143 --> 00:46:32.065
More people see me on YouTube than I

00:46:32.085 --> 00:46:33.586
could ever see over the course of my

00:46:33.626 --> 00:46:34.148
career.

00:46:35.349 --> 00:46:36.251
It's not therapy.

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I want people to have access to good

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resources.

00:46:41.217 --> 00:46:42.677
I'd rather people watch my YouTube than

00:46:42.717 --> 00:46:43.557
listen to Joe Rogan.

00:46:43.777 --> 00:46:44.797
So, well,

00:46:44.818 --> 00:46:46.139
and I think if people hear like a

00:46:46.219 --> 00:46:49.320
nugget from one of your podcasts and then

00:46:49.619 --> 00:46:51.800
that opens their minds to like learning

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.001
something about that or finding a

00:46:53.021 --> 00:46:54.101
therapist of their own with that,

00:46:54.121 --> 00:46:56.143
like how impactful that is.

00:46:56.222 --> 00:46:57.643
Cause I know at least in like the

00:46:57.663 --> 00:46:58.003
therapy world,

00:46:58.023 --> 00:46:59.423
like I don't know what I don't know.

00:47:00.063 --> 00:47:00.304
Right.

00:47:00.684 --> 00:47:01.905
I'm always learning new stuff.

00:47:01.925 --> 00:47:03.364
And every time it hits me upside the

00:47:03.385 --> 00:47:05.266
head, I'm like, Oh shit.

00:47:05.286 --> 00:47:05.385
Well,

00:47:06.994 --> 00:47:07.815
that changes things.

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Right.

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So to be able to just have that

00:47:11.418 --> 00:47:12.898
opportunity to like put that out there and

00:47:12.918 --> 00:47:14.420
make people think about something I think

00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:15.481
is, is really cool.

00:47:15.501 --> 00:47:17.483
I'm glad you offer this weekly.

00:47:17.523 --> 00:47:18.043
That's so well.

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And yeah, I think again,

00:47:19.744 --> 00:47:22.387
the ethical piece is like people who we

00:47:22.427 --> 00:47:23.947
know not everybody can afford to see us

00:47:24.148 --> 00:47:28.251
and there's still ways to share and put

00:47:28.291 --> 00:47:29.853
out good stuff, even if it's a blog,

00:47:29.913 --> 00:47:31.014
even if it's whatever, like totally.

00:47:33.463 --> 00:47:35.326
helping people looks a lot of different

00:47:35.346 --> 00:47:35.485
ways.

00:47:35.505 --> 00:47:35.585
Yeah.

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Well,

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and I'm so glad that especially within

00:47:38.489 --> 00:47:41.811
like our our networks that we have, right,

00:47:41.831 --> 00:47:43.452
that there are different venues and

00:47:43.512 --> 00:47:44.233
options like this.

00:47:44.273 --> 00:47:45.315
Like I just threw that out to be

00:47:45.335 --> 00:47:45.655
like, hey,

00:47:45.675 --> 00:47:47.056
let people know this is a thing.

00:47:47.838 --> 00:47:49.219
And then, oh, yeah, right.

00:47:49.338 --> 00:47:49.920
You have a podcast.

00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.061
Let's do it.

00:47:53.322 --> 00:47:53.443
Yeah.

00:47:54.693 --> 00:47:56.914
um all right so you've plugged it but

00:47:56.934 --> 00:47:59.277
let's let's plug the pluggables one more

00:47:59.356 --> 00:48:02.778
time yes website social media where do

00:48:02.798 --> 00:48:04.900
people find you so you can find me

00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:09.422
the website's fireflycounselingmke.com um

00:48:10.003 --> 00:48:13.224
and um on there the resource page has

00:48:13.244 --> 00:48:15.465
a ton of free resources out there things

00:48:15.485 --> 00:48:18.668
that i've recorded before um workshops

00:48:18.688 --> 00:48:19.648
that we've done that we put out for

00:48:19.668 --> 00:48:21.710
free so they're all up there viewable at

00:48:21.750 --> 00:48:23.570
any point in time um

00:48:25.134 --> 00:48:27.376
Instagram and Facebook handles are Firefly

00:48:27.396 --> 00:48:28.797
Counseling MKE as well.

00:48:28.838 --> 00:48:30.300
We put a lot of content on there

00:48:31.240 --> 00:48:32.202
as much as we can.

00:48:33.762 --> 00:48:35.885
And then group is going to be

00:48:36.740 --> 00:48:38.081
Reparent your inner child.

00:48:38.561 --> 00:48:39.342
If you're interested,

00:48:39.362 --> 00:48:41.224
there's on the website,

00:48:41.264 --> 00:48:44.146
there is a page under the group events

00:48:44.286 --> 00:48:46.027
and you can click and get more information

00:48:46.047 --> 00:48:47.347
about it, answer some questions,

00:48:47.367 --> 00:48:48.188
see if it might be a good fit

00:48:48.208 --> 00:48:48.588
for you.

00:48:49.068 --> 00:48:50.228
And then there's a form to fill out

00:48:50.248 --> 00:48:51.289
just to let me know that you have

00:48:51.329 --> 00:48:53.552
some interest and to like pick some times

00:48:53.572 --> 00:48:54.711
that might work best for you so I

00:48:54.731 --> 00:48:55.472
can compile that.

00:48:57.393 --> 00:48:59.514
And then Raising Little Humans.

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We got two more left.

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Two more.

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Yeah.

00:49:03.875 --> 00:49:05.356
And for those of you listening on

00:49:05.376 --> 00:49:06.856
whatever, wherever you get your podcasts,

00:49:06.896 --> 00:49:09.117
we'll have links in the show notes for

00:49:09.157 --> 00:49:09.637
all this stuff.

00:49:09.677 --> 00:49:11.077
So you can find that easily if you're

00:49:11.097 --> 00:49:12.878
watching on YouTube.

00:49:12.898 --> 00:49:14.438
Scroll down in the video description.

00:49:14.458 --> 00:49:15.059
We'll have links.

00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:17.099
If you want to,

00:49:17.219 --> 00:49:18.179
if you're on the East Coast and you

00:49:18.199 --> 00:49:18.780
want to see me,

00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:21.260
I'll be in Boston in May running a

00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.400
retreat with one of my frequent

00:49:23.420 --> 00:49:25.461
collaborators, Emily LaPolice.

00:49:26.092 --> 00:49:27.092
So if you're out on the East Coast

00:49:27.132 --> 00:49:28.132
or you know people out on the East

00:49:28.152 --> 00:49:28.454
Coast,

00:49:28.494 --> 00:49:30.894
you can also find more information down in

00:49:30.934 --> 00:49:31.936
the show notes for that.

00:49:31.996 --> 00:49:33.416
That would be so sweet.

00:49:33.436 --> 00:49:34.237
Look at us.

00:49:34.657 --> 00:49:35.619
So media savvy.

00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.420
We're doing stuff.

00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:38.400
Things and stuff.

00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:40.402
It's great.

00:49:40.422 --> 00:49:40.521
Yeah.

00:49:40.541 --> 00:49:41.762
Tracy, this has been awesome.

00:49:41.862 --> 00:49:44.264
I love the opportunities you're giving for

00:49:44.304 --> 00:49:46.465
people to learn and grow and heal.

00:49:47.686 --> 00:49:48.507
Glad you reached out.

00:49:49.208 --> 00:49:50.009
Thanks for coming back.

00:49:50.409 --> 00:49:51.829
Returning guest on the podcast.

00:49:52.673 --> 00:49:53.775
Thanks so much for having me.

00:49:53.835 --> 00:49:55.115
It's so nice to be able to catch

00:49:55.175 --> 00:49:55.476
up, too,

00:49:55.496 --> 00:49:56.516
because I haven't seen you in a minute.

00:49:56.556 --> 00:49:56.797
Yeah.

00:49:56.817 --> 00:49:59.759
And to all our wonderful listeners,

00:49:59.878 --> 00:50:00.960
thanks for tuning in.

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We'll be back next week with another new

00:50:03.181 --> 00:50:03.661
episode.

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Take care, everyone.