Your Therapist Needs Therapy 159 - Oh No! My Favorite Celebrity Might Be A Dummy

This week Jeremy looks at how celebrity culture has convinced us that visibility is the same as wisdom, turning artists, athletes, and influencers into stand-ins for philosophers, political analysts, and moral authorities. Jeremy uses the recent example of Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame rubbing elbows with Tucker Carlson as to why it’s a bad idea that our culture keeps outsourcing its thinking to famous people. We take a critical look at the cultural ideas that create a false sense of equivalency between excellence and expertise, and propose some mental parameters to protect our brain from its own worst impulses.

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Transcript

Hello,

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and welcome to another edition of Your

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Therapist Needs Therapy.

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I'm your host, Jeremy Schumacher,

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licensed marriage and family therapist.

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I might be your friendly neighborhood

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therapist if you're here in Wisconsin,

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where I'm at.

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This week, we have to deal with, ugh,

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celebrities doing dumb things.

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Because, ugh.

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Ugh.

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Celebrities are kind of dumb.

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This episode is a lot harder for me

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than it should be because I don't think

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highly of celebrity culture.

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So I really have to check my own

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biases here to do this episode correctly,

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quote unquote correctly,

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without just soapboxing about how nobody

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should be famous.

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Yeah.

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For those of you tuning in on the

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YouTube, hey, hi, welcome.

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You will notice I generally have a poster

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of the wall.

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It's a body art behind me back here

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of various Pink Floyd albums.

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If you've listened to me talk for any

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length of time,

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it's probably come up that Pink Floyd is

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my favorite band.

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And that's really remained unchanged since

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I was like, sixteen years old.

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Um,

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The rest of my top five fluctuates

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depending on what I'm listening to and

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what I've been into most recently,

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which isn't how top fives are supposed to

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work.

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But I do like to push back a

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little bit on like the idea that our

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favorite things are set by the time we're

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age thirty.

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I know that neuroplasticity dips and we

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all age, time is undefeated.

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So I'm aware of these things,

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but I do try and keep

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an open ear to things um definitely like

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the metal I listen to is a lot

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differently different than what I used to

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listen to so this isn't a case of

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like I locked it in early this is

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a truly genuinely uh the best that Pink

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Floyd has to offer is what I continue

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to go back to musically um

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not only is it like comfort albums at

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this point in my life,

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it's still just really good music.

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The run from dark side to, uh,

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the wall is really untouched.

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And,

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and I even include final cut in that.

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There are things on the division bell I

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think are really good.

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Um,

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yes this week we're talking about roger

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waters roger waters is an right like

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there's a bit of a thing in his

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entire career the reason pink floyd is not

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a band uh as as formed in those

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glory years of high production and high

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value is because roger waters and dave

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gilmore couldn't get along and like

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in the final cut being released,

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they weren't talking.

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They couldn't stand each other.

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Really after the wall,

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things deteriorated quite significantly,

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which is very funny when the wall is

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a song about isolation,

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the wall is an album about isolation,

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which Roger Waters wrote after spitting on

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a fan when they climbed on stage during

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the tour for Animals.

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So like, you know,

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He's not a good person and hasn't been

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for much of his career.

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And I think one of the things that

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sort of gets tossed about is like musical

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genius.

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And I would argue that's even incorrect.

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He's a bassist and not a very good

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one.

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Lyrical genius.

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There we go.

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And...

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In the way that Genius often is,

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I think it was spent within a decade

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because his other stuff never really

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attained the height of that epic

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four-concept album run,

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which again remains,

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and I think firmly will remain, untouched.

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So Kendrick Lamar fans who want to talk

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about the generational run that Kendrick's

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been on,

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are the closest and I would argue those

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albums have not all been concept albums

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and also are not classics in the way

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that the Pink Floyd albums will be

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classics.

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Kendrick Lamar fans come at me.

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So my love of Pink Floyd is long

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lasting.

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I talk about the books in my office

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a lot because books matter to me.

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I think it's a big thief line.

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I see you as you see yourself through

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all the books you read.

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There's a part of me that the books

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I like, the music I like,

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the movies I like are a reflection of

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how I view myself, certainly.

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And the things that are organized in our

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house that I'm in charge of are my

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books and my albums.

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I would say my movies are technically

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organized.

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They are cleanly,

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neatly alphabetized in those old school

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flip books that we have on DVDs,

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which I do update regularly because I'm

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coming back around on physical media.

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Go buy your shit so you own it

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and don't let streamers take away all our

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rights.

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PlayStation, looking at you,

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keep making physical copies of discs.

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What in the world is wrong with us?

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It's capitalism.

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But books and movies and these things do

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tend to matter.

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And so on the coffee table in my

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office,

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one of the books that stays on my

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coffee table, it doesn't get rotated out,

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is...

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a coffee table book about Pink Floyd.

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And it's not that it's my favorite Pink

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Floyd book,

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or it's not that it's necessarily relevant

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which book it is.

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It is just a coffee table book.

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There's lots of information about the

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band, pictures from tours, et cetera,

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et cetera.

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It's a way for clients who come into

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my office who might recognize the band to

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know, ah, if I wanna talk about,

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you know,

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Critiquing the man, burn it all down,

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rock and roll.

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Jeremy gets it.

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Also,

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my other coffee table book that I often

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bring up is Marshall McLuhan's The Medium

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is the Massage,

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which I'll probably reference in this

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conversation.

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And an artistic rendering of Rime of the

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Ancient Mariner.

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which is a giant tattoo inspiration for me

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that I have an albatross on my back.

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Also a Pink Floyd reference because I love

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Pink Floyd and all of my body art

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has to reference like four different

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things because I can't help myself.

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Overhead the albatross hangs motionless

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upon the breeze from Echoes by Pink Floyd.

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The reason we have to talk about Roger

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Waters, who is again, a known asshole.

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He's a difficult person to maintain an

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interpersonal relationship with.

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That's his celebrity profile, right?

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Like this is a known,

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he's a known quantity forever for this

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reason.

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It's just that to go see him live

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in concert is still incredible.

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he's a dick these these things have never

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been incompatible so i'm not concerned

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that he's a dick roger waters recently uh

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sat down with tucker carlson who you might

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know as being the the child of ice

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cream barons um

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Tucker Carlson's an epobaby.

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He was on CNN briefly before pivoting to

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full right-wing propaganda on Fox.

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His show was the number one viewed show

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in all of cable television for a long

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time,

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in which he wore stupid little bow ties

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and looked like he was constipated while

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asking basic-ass questions that he never

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answered because that way it seemed like

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he was inquisitive and smart instead of

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just a big dumb idiot doing propaganda.

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Tucker Carlson has left Fox News.

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He was fired.

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He was a lot of the reason they

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got sued for eight hundred some million

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dollars in a defamation suit against

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Dominion voting machines.

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And he's been pretty unapologetic in that.

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He's a grifter conspiracy theorist who may

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or may not run for president in the

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future.

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In a long line of Republican right wing

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people who are bad at policy but

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understand television he would follow the

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likes of Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump as

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genuinely idiotic people who understand TV

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and therefore are electable because they

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understand how to go on TV a lot

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of people think Tucker's smart and I think

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from sort of the left side of things

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um without going like actual leftist from

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a liberal perspective uh of the sort of

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political strategists tucker might be one

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of the smarter ones um but again you're

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dealing with like asshats like russ vaught

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and just again like sort of

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scrape in the bottom of the barrel,

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basement dwelling intellectuals.

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These are not smart people.

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Conservatism is not a smart stance to

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take.

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So, yeah,

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I'm not sold on Tucker being particularly

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smart.

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I think Tucker is good at media.

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He's media savvy after spending a great

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deal of time in television,

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making that stupid face and wearing those

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shitty little bow ties didn't end his

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career.

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So obviously he's like got some skill in

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it because worse people have been sunk for

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less.

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So yeah, I can say he's that.

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His grift, much like Candace Owens,

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I think, who's also a good grifter,

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has pivoted off of MAGA.

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I think, again,

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like rats fleeing a sinking ship has moved

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away from MAGA.

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But Tucker has leaned into his, I think,

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more natural, basest,

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fascist tendencies in that his criticisms

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of Trump are rarely...

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progressive criticisms is simply that

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Trump isn't fascist enough.

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And so Tucker has had people like Nick

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Fuentes on his show,

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who's an avowed neo-Nazi.

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And Tucker continues to platform a lot of

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things.

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Now, I think Tucker is...

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Racist,

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as shown by a number of quotes we

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could pull from Tucker and his refusal to

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take any of them back.

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The reason I think Tucker and

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unfortunately Roger Waters are crossing

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paths here is because Roger Waters has

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long been accused of being an anti-Semite

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because Roger Waters has long spoken about

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racism.

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Israel's occupation of Palestine,

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and he's been opposed to that long before

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October seventh,

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long before this iteration.

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Throughout his career,

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this has been a thing that he's been

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on,

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sometimes when he's been one of the few

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celebrities speaking on it.

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And again,

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we'll get into the larger picture of what

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I'm talking about in that we should not

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celebrate celebrities,

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and we certainly shouldn't have them as

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our personal thought leaders.

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But yeah, I mean,

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credit where some intellectual honesty is

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due.

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Roger Waters has been very consistent

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about this throughout his career.

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And I'm one of the people who,

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as a fan of Pink Floyd,

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sees this criticism pop up somewhat

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regularly and just don't think he's ever

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been anti-Semitic in it.

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I think he has...

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taken a nuanced stance,

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which is to say that Jewish people and

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the state of Israel are different things.

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Not all Jewish people support a Zionist

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agenda and he's not opposed to people

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being Jewish.

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He's opposed to the state of Israel being

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an authoritarian state that is predicated

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on taking land from other people.

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And he's been very consistent in that.

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tucker being an anti-semite i think has

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paired with a lot of people who want

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to talk about israel doing bad things not

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because tucker is critical of the state of

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israel being fascistic authoritarian and

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committing genocide uh but because tucker

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wants to hate the jews which is the

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stance he's had through his entire career

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he's had a number of scandals for saying

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a bunch of really shitty things and again

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continues to exist so

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If people wanna talk about cancel culture,

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we could certainly pull Tucker as a proof

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of concept that cancel culture is not a

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thing.

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And my big issue with Roger Waters going

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on the show is simply that Waters should

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know better at this point in his career

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as somebody who's been outspoken and

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politically active in this arena.

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You gotta know who...

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working with who you're collaborating with

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and i've seen a lot of pink floyd

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fans defend roger waters to say tucker has

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a huge following roger going on uh

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tucker's show isn't a bad thing if it

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reaches some of those people and i

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disagree with that stance i do not think

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tucker has a big following anymore he's

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not on cable news he doesn't have a

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syndicated show like that um and i think

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tucker's audience is not a good one

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if people are still tuning into Tucker

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Carlson,

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it's not to learn new things and be

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interested.

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Because again,

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this popped up on my various feeds in

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different places and seeing it on

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Instagram,

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clicking on the comment sections.

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These are people who listen to Pink Floyd

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and like Another Brick in the Wall,

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but have no application to the greater

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understanding of what Pink Floyd's

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actually criticizing here.

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And these are the Pink Floyd fans that

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you don't like to run into because they're

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Republicans or they voted for Trump.

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And you're like,

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you can't listen to Pink Floyd talk about

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Maggie Thatcher and then vote for Trump.

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That simply doesn't work.

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You missed the point.

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And so Tucker's current audience is

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lacking any sort of critical thinking

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skills and any sort of interest in nuance

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where I don't think it's valid to say

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if you win some of these people over,

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that's a good get.

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You're not.

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You're not winning these people over.

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They're so far gone that you might as

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well be on InfoWars dealing with Alex

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Jones,

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which doesn't exist anymore in the sense

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that it was bought.

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And it isn't run by Alex Jones anymore,

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and now it's a Drew parody,

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which is kind of funny.

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So I don't buy it.

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I think Roger Waters needed to have better

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due diligence to know that he was walking

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into an interview with an avowed

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anti-Semite who wants to talk about Israel

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does a bunch of bad things because he's

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anti-Semitic.

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He hates Jewish people and is fascist,

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right?

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which is not being pro-Palestine and

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anti-genocide, actually.

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So deeply critical of Roger even agreeing

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to be on the show.

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And then,

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where we're gonna get to the meat of

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this week's episode,

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they talked about nine-eleven a bunch.

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And Roger Waters,

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An aged man,

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I forget how old he is, late-seventies,

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is a bassist from a rock band.

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That's his claim to fame.

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Again,

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I would argue he's best known as a

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lyricist.

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He wrote the lyrics.

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David Gilmour predominantly wrote the

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music.

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And those two worked really well until

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they couldn't anymore.

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Thus ended the band.

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If you want to tell me that Radio

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Chaos or Amused to Death are good albums,

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I can tell you which songs on those

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albums I think are good.

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I don't think they're good albums.

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I think Roger Waters had more good art

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available in his brain post Pink Floyd.

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But to a limited degree.

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I think Amused to Death was a good

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song in the same way that I think

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There's No Way Out of Here by Dave

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Gilmour was a good song.

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I think On an Island had a couple

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of good songs.

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Both Dave Gilmour and Roger Waters are

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good enough to keep making good art while

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never reaching the pinnacle of what they

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created together in the band Pink Floyd.

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Being a famed lyricist or more literally a

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famous bass player,

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doesn't give you any expertise in

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mechanical engineering.

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Right?

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And like,

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that sounds so obvious that that there

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shouldn't really be any pushback to that

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concept but this is the thing we conflate

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all of the time in our modern society

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because in our culture of celebrity uh we

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we fall into this trap that repetition uh

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creates some sort of positive mindset uh i

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talked about it a couple weeks ago talking

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about like pro wrestling

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and promoting somebody that that name

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recognition matters.

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We know this in modern politics now that

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like name recognition has value.

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If you see or hear from someone,

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a bunch that some voters who are not

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well educated and not well informed will

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go into the voting booth and see a

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name they recognize and vote for that.

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And that's just how some people operate,

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right?

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Like it's the flaw of democracy is that

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idiots get to vote too.

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See,

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I said I was gonna have to watch

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my own biases on this episode.

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Which is not a bad thing other than

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there's so much misinformation and

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propaganda allowed.

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Because again,

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part of what makes democracy work is

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having well-informed voters.

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And so even idiots can be well-informed.

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And that's not actually how America does

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democracy.

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So we have a lot of idiots voting

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who are purposefully misinformed,

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which is a problem.

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And then just general corruption has

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really reached a fever pitch.

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Because bribery is not a thing anymore,

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according to the Supreme Court.

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Separate topic, staying on topic.

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Roger Waters, the bassist,

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does not understand engineering.

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Because Roger Waters, the bassist,

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did not study engineering.

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Roger Waters, the bassist,

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while building a wall in a concert tour

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and then blowing it up did happen.

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That was not actually ever a real building

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he built or blew up while performing his

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little songs.

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And again,

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I'm being like purposefully over the top

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because his little songs are the wall,

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which I want to step in and defend

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and be like, no, that's awesome.

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And also the wall live was very cool.

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And seeing Roger Waters live is still very

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cool.

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And like not somebody who built buildings,

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let alone giant skyscrapers,

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let alone do we have anybody who builds

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tall buildings and then test those tall

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buildings against planes being flown into

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them?

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Because that simply isn't a thing we do.

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We don't build a hundred and ten story

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tall skyscrapers and then test them by

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seeing how much explosion they can handle.

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That's not a thing.

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So Roger Waters went on to the Tucker

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Carlson show,

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racist anti-Semitic Tucker Carlson,

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and Roger Waters sat down to talk about

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nine, eleven conspiracy theories,

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which is weird.

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I think there are certainly valid

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criticisms that exist of the United States

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government before September eleventh,

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two thousand one that could have served to

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prevent those terrorist attacks,

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to take the online chatter of those

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terrorist attacks

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more seriously.

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I do not think it was an inside

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job.

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I do not think the towers were

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demolitioned as a precursor to go to war

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in the Middle East for oil.

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I do think the United States government

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did not take terrorist threats very

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seriously and then use those as a pretense

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to go to war.

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And I do think that we ratcheted up

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the police state that we live in following

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nine eleven in the name of safety.

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Again,

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I think there are valid criticisms we had.

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I don't think that.

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Nepo baby ice cream baron bow tie wearing

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Tucker Carlson and bass playing.

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not college-educated Roger Waters know

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what the fuck they're talking about when

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it comes to how hot metal beams can

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get before they will melt.

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I just simply don't think they're smart

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enough to have that conversation.

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I say that as somebody who pretty much

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crushed all of the schooling I went to,

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except for organic chemistry.

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And I passed OCHEM I.

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And I took a W in OCHEM too,

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so it wouldn't have to be on my

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transcript because I probably wouldn't

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have passed it.

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And that's not true.

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I would have probably gotten like a C.

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But if you were raised the way I

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was raised, then Cs are not passing.

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And they are, right?

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Cs get degrees.

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I'm a big proponent of this.

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O-Chem, too, is really hard.

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And there's a level of smartness.

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There's a level of knowledge and intellect

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that people who finish those classes and

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go on to study some of the sciences

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more intensely at that level have that I

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did not have.

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My brain is very good at processing

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information very quickly.

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And my brain is very good at connecting

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a lot of pieces that don't seem connected

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at first.

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So something like psychology works really

00:24:03.928 --> 00:24:04.548
well for my brain.

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Pattern recognition,

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a crazy breadth of knowledge without

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needing to get super deep into it.

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I have a cousin who did his PhD

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at University of Minnesota,

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which is where I was doing my undergrad.

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And we overlapped for like a year or

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something.

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I saw him at the Dairy Queen off

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of campus one time.

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he very smart right like the things he

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was working on with his phd i could

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not comprehend as like somebody who was a

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couple years behind him in school and

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wasn't specialized in what he was

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specializing in the idea of things like

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quantum physics are a thing that we read

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about because the marvel universe is

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introducing them and ninety-nine percent

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of the population can't actually fathom

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those things

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right and again you're like wow ninety

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nine percent jared that sounds pretty high

00:24:56.003 --> 00:24:58.527
right like less than half of people have

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college degrees like the the intellectual

00:25:04.172 --> 00:25:09.076
dishonesty that has become so present in

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in the united states to suggest that like

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again experts are not actually experts is

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is a long drawn-out process to get to

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the idea where like

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Mark Wayne Mullen, Mark Wayne Mullen,

00:25:21.863 --> 00:25:23.604
there's almost no way to pronounce his

00:25:23.663 --> 00:25:27.626
name that doesn't veer into like Oklahoma

00:25:29.508 --> 00:25:33.190
hillbilly accent where you know like this

00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:34.070
is not a smart person.

00:25:34.090 --> 00:25:37.292
And there's probably a Mark Wayne out

00:25:37.333 --> 00:25:39.374
there who has risen above his family

00:25:39.413 --> 00:25:42.195
status and did go on to school and

00:25:42.236 --> 00:25:44.017
excel and does something really smart.

00:25:44.657 --> 00:25:47.819
But it's not this guy who's currently

00:25:48.904 --> 00:25:49.285
I don't know,

00:25:49.345 --> 00:25:50.705
director of Homeland Security or

00:25:50.726 --> 00:25:51.086
something.

00:25:51.426 --> 00:25:52.487
I don't even remember what he's in charge

00:25:52.507 --> 00:25:52.586
of.

00:25:52.748 --> 00:25:58.191
He's a fucking moron.

00:25:58.211 --> 00:26:02.653
Because fascism thrives under loyalist

00:26:02.693 --> 00:26:06.155
conditions and hates intelligence,

00:26:06.537 --> 00:26:07.938
hates actual intelligence, right?

00:26:07.978 --> 00:26:10.098
These are small men who are afraid of

00:26:10.378 --> 00:26:11.460
being made to feel stupid.

00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:13.780
And the fact that other people are smarter

00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:16.083
than them makes them feel small, right?

00:26:17.304 --> 00:26:18.464
I can talk about my cousin being super

00:26:18.484 --> 00:26:18.724
smart.

00:26:18.805 --> 00:26:19.865
I can talk about all these people being

00:26:19.884 --> 00:26:21.826
super smart because I don't mind

00:26:22.686 --> 00:26:24.847
acknowledging that other people are a lot

00:26:24.887 --> 00:26:28.109
smarter than me.

00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:29.631
Because like, I'm an idiot.

00:26:30.530 --> 00:26:32.172
I'm really smart in a lot of different

00:26:32.211 --> 00:26:34.353
ways that people are not.

00:26:34.814 --> 00:26:37.994
And also there's so many more ways that

00:26:38.036 --> 00:26:38.695
I'm not smart.

00:26:40.394 --> 00:26:42.075
And it's not like book smart or street

00:26:42.095 --> 00:26:42.355
smart.

00:26:42.494 --> 00:26:45.316
I have actual years and years and years

00:26:45.355 --> 00:26:48.957
worth of study and practice on things that

00:26:48.997 --> 00:26:51.938
have made me quite good at them.

00:26:52.317 --> 00:26:53.438
I can't play the bass.

00:26:53.998 --> 00:26:55.239
So the fact that Roger Waters,

00:26:55.318 --> 00:26:57.058
while he might not be a particularly good

00:26:57.098 --> 00:26:57.519
bassist,

00:26:57.598 --> 00:26:59.759
can play the bass is a form of

00:26:59.819 --> 00:27:01.641
knowledge that he has that I do not.

00:27:04.098 --> 00:27:04.920
I don't know what it's like to grow

00:27:04.940 --> 00:27:05.319
up rich.

00:27:05.579 --> 00:27:07.221
That's a form of knowledge Tucker Carlson

00:27:07.260 --> 00:27:07.520
has.

00:27:07.902 --> 00:27:08.741
I've never been rich.

00:27:08.882 --> 00:27:10.584
Also a form of knowledge Tucker Carlson

00:27:10.604 --> 00:27:11.423
has that I do not.

00:27:16.508 --> 00:27:18.648
But these are not necessarily forms of

00:27:18.749 --> 00:27:20.490
intelligence that I find particularly

00:27:20.509 --> 00:27:20.911
meaningful.

00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:22.352
Playing the bass more so.

00:27:22.971 --> 00:27:25.134
But I want you for just a second.

00:27:26.209 --> 00:27:28.330
your listener just a second to join me

00:27:28.351 --> 00:27:30.913
in a thought experiment and think of a

00:27:30.992 --> 00:27:34.055
person in your life who you know that

00:27:34.095 --> 00:27:41.121
plays the bass guitar right and like just

00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.303
holding that person in your mind for a

00:27:43.323 --> 00:27:46.345
sec maybe there's a couple bassists you

00:27:46.365 --> 00:27:48.467
know maybe you've dated a bass player at

00:27:48.507 --> 00:27:50.769
some point in your life and and wonder

00:27:51.169 --> 00:27:55.112
is that somebody who i respect all of

00:27:55.132 --> 00:27:55.732
their opinions

00:27:57.659 --> 00:27:58.038
Because again,

00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.380
the bass players that I know are

00:27:59.420 --> 00:28:01.342
predominantly from my time in college and

00:28:02.041 --> 00:28:04.604
a number of them have gone on to

00:28:04.624 --> 00:28:06.664
be college graduates and not play

00:28:06.724 --> 00:28:08.886
professional music and not be particularly

00:28:08.926 --> 00:28:09.988
smart in what they're doing.

00:28:11.107 --> 00:28:12.368
One of them went on to law school

00:28:12.469 --> 00:28:13.869
and as far as I know,

00:28:13.970 --> 00:28:17.272
is a lawyer and I think an intelligent

00:28:17.292 --> 00:28:17.532
person.

00:28:18.355 --> 00:28:20.757
They hiked the Appalachian Trail by

00:28:20.797 --> 00:28:22.498
themselves, which seems like a cool thing.

00:28:22.738 --> 00:28:23.357
I don't know if that has to do

00:28:23.377 --> 00:28:24.038
with intelligence,

00:28:24.077 --> 00:28:26.118
but like some degree of survival, right?

00:28:26.358 --> 00:28:26.739
That's cool.

00:28:27.459 --> 00:28:29.380
I assume there's a number of functional

00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:31.121
knowledge bases that you have to draw from

00:28:31.141 --> 00:28:31.780
to be able to do that.

00:28:32.060 --> 00:28:33.321
And that's cool.

00:28:38.123 --> 00:28:42.845
So when I think confronted with like,

00:28:42.865 --> 00:28:44.185
I wanna say actual smart people,

00:28:45.546 --> 00:28:47.086
When actual smart people get around to

00:28:47.126 --> 00:28:48.407
other smart people, it's enriching,

00:28:48.468 --> 00:28:49.388
it's enlivening,

00:28:49.489 --> 00:28:51.691
it's in zero ways threatening because we

00:28:51.730 --> 00:28:53.372
cannot be experts in all things.

00:28:53.412 --> 00:28:55.773
And this is just a known presupposition.

00:28:56.795 --> 00:28:59.037
I don't like to start with arguments where

00:28:59.057 --> 00:29:00.018
I'm presupposing something.

00:29:00.057 --> 00:29:01.939
The idea that we can't know all things

00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:02.920
is up there.

00:29:03.820 --> 00:29:05.541
The human brain can't even problem solve

00:29:05.582 --> 00:29:06.522
multiple things at a time,

00:29:06.942 --> 00:29:07.723
one thing at a time.

00:29:07.963 --> 00:29:09.726
Our brain has an order of operations.

00:29:10.778 --> 00:29:14.220
The idea that we could not only know

00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:15.440
all things,

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.819
but also excel to a level of expertise

00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.881
in all things is just simply preposterous,

00:29:21.580 --> 00:29:23.041
which gets us to, oh no,

00:29:23.082 --> 00:29:24.701
my favorite celebrity might be a dummy.

00:29:25.301 --> 00:29:27.801
The things that most celebrities excel in

00:29:28.603 --> 00:29:30.682
are not being smart.

00:29:30.702 --> 00:29:35.523
I was gonna say are not being

00:29:35.564 --> 00:29:36.584
well-informed, but again,

00:29:36.624 --> 00:29:37.944
I think to be a high-level athlete,

00:29:37.964 --> 00:29:39.125
you have to be really well-informed on a

00:29:39.204 --> 00:29:39.865
number of things.

00:29:40.714 --> 00:29:41.875
Just do a bunch of film studies.

00:29:41.894 --> 00:29:42.976
You have to know your playbook.

00:29:43.796 --> 00:29:45.056
Sometimes when we watch baseball,

00:29:45.576 --> 00:29:46.777
you'll see a pitcher pull out a little

00:29:46.817 --> 00:29:47.836
card from their back thing,

00:29:47.856 --> 00:29:49.097
which has the scouting report on the

00:29:49.117 --> 00:29:50.097
hitters they're going to face.

00:29:52.659 --> 00:29:52.919
You know,

00:29:52.979 --> 00:29:54.999
like there's a high degree of intelligence

00:29:55.019 --> 00:29:56.039
there, right?

00:29:56.059 --> 00:29:57.420
Some of these people are naturally gifted

00:29:57.460 --> 00:29:59.020
and some of these people are naturally

00:29:59.040 --> 00:30:00.980
gifted and do a shit ton of work

00:30:01.080 --> 00:30:03.082
to take their natural talents and excel

00:30:03.182 --> 00:30:03.662
even more.

00:30:05.643 --> 00:30:07.784
I think Kobe Bryant as somebody who was

00:30:07.804 --> 00:30:10.404
like a workaholic with crazy work ethic

00:30:10.884 --> 00:30:11.944
could, you know,

00:30:12.005 --> 00:30:13.545
take something like Phil Jackson's

00:30:13.566 --> 00:30:15.945
philosophy of the triangle offense and run

00:30:15.986 --> 00:30:18.567
it to a degree and a point where

00:30:19.386 --> 00:30:20.508
my brain can't fathom that.

00:30:20.788 --> 00:30:22.708
And I'm somebody who played division one

00:30:22.768 --> 00:30:24.808
college sports, right?

00:30:25.169 --> 00:30:25.368
When you,

00:30:25.548 --> 00:30:28.369
when you see people who are actually an

00:30:28.450 --> 00:30:29.631
interactive people who are actually at the

00:30:29.691 --> 00:30:31.891
pinnacle of their field,

00:30:32.030 --> 00:30:34.172
it is insanely impressive, right?

00:30:36.913 --> 00:30:38.875
And Kobe Bryant was also a sex pest.

00:30:39.154 --> 00:30:40.476
So, you know,

00:30:40.516 --> 00:30:41.395
what are we supposed to do with all

00:30:41.435 --> 00:30:41.715
that?

00:30:43.096 --> 00:30:43.596
Which is like,

00:30:43.737 --> 00:30:46.637
gets back to the idea of like,

00:30:46.657 --> 00:30:48.159
we shouldn't worship celebrities and

00:30:48.239 --> 00:30:51.940
celebrities are not thought leaders,

00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:52.980
right?

00:30:53.000 --> 00:30:56.561
Your local sports athlete knows their

00:30:56.602 --> 00:30:57.903
local sport really well.

00:30:58.603 --> 00:31:02.825
And that's the only expertise that we can

00:31:04.445 --> 00:31:05.385
ascribe to that person.

00:31:06.854 --> 00:31:08.935
this person made it to the highest

00:31:09.036 --> 00:31:11.297
professional level of their sport,

00:31:11.778 --> 00:31:13.159
they probably know that sport really,

00:31:13.199 --> 00:31:16.361
really well in a way that only other

00:31:16.401 --> 00:31:18.383
people who do that sport at that level

00:31:18.442 --> 00:31:19.242
could comprehend.

00:31:20.203 --> 00:31:21.585
That's an exclusive class.

00:31:23.165 --> 00:31:23.665
Absolutely.

00:31:23.686 --> 00:31:24.406
I agree with that.

00:31:25.228 --> 00:31:27.469
And that's not a particularly useful base

00:31:27.489 --> 00:31:29.611
of knowledge unless you're doing that

00:31:29.631 --> 00:31:31.352
sport.

00:31:31.372 --> 00:31:33.513
There's not a lot of career changes that

00:31:33.554 --> 00:31:35.035
professional athletes get to make that

00:31:35.134 --> 00:31:36.435
don't involve their sport.

00:31:37.260 --> 00:31:39.142
They're either media analysts or they're

00:31:39.182 --> 00:31:39.622
coaches.

00:31:40.823 --> 00:31:43.023
Or they just retire and live off of

00:31:43.064 --> 00:31:44.324
all the money they made while they were

00:31:44.344 --> 00:31:45.704
doing their sport at a really high level.

00:31:45.724 --> 00:31:49.086
Right?

00:31:49.146 --> 00:31:49.567
That's it.

00:31:49.747 --> 00:31:51.067
If you're a professional musician,

00:31:51.288 --> 00:31:53.167
I don't expect you to have a ton

00:31:53.208 --> 00:31:56.049
of knowledge on geopolitics.

00:31:57.830 --> 00:31:59.351
You can pluck your strings or you can

00:31:59.411 --> 00:32:01.612
sing really good notes and that takes a

00:32:01.672 --> 00:32:02.992
special form of knowledge to be able to

00:32:03.032 --> 00:32:04.374
do that at the highest level

00:32:05.398 --> 00:32:08.761
of professionalism certainly the other

00:32:08.981 --> 00:32:11.522
influence of me wanting to do this episode

00:32:11.923 --> 00:32:15.185
because my celebrities have been striking

00:32:15.246 --> 00:32:19.548
out lately is uh darren malikian of uh

00:32:19.669 --> 00:32:22.530
pink not pink floyd system of down fame

00:32:22.770 --> 00:32:24.952
also top five band for me um

00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:28.541
The drummer's been like outright mega

00:32:28.582 --> 00:32:29.682
since twenty sixteen.

00:32:29.923 --> 00:32:31.744
So, you know, that one's tough.

00:32:32.144 --> 00:32:32.484
But again,

00:32:32.786 --> 00:32:34.586
I think when we generally summarize,

00:32:34.626 --> 00:32:35.708
who do we think of as drummers?

00:32:35.807 --> 00:32:36.709
Like not smart people.

00:32:37.589 --> 00:32:37.910
And again,

00:32:38.810 --> 00:32:41.532
that's so insulting because to keep a beat

00:32:41.653 --> 00:32:44.395
or to do multi poly rhythms on beat.

00:32:45.616 --> 00:32:48.298
In front of a stadium of people and

00:32:48.338 --> 00:32:50.121
do that with great degree of consistency,

00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.442
I think is really impressive.

00:32:53.624 --> 00:32:53.844
And.

00:32:55.443 --> 00:32:57.365
every drummer i know dropped out of high

00:32:57.424 --> 00:33:00.207
school let alone didn't complete college

00:33:00.768 --> 00:33:01.948
and that's not to take away from their

00:33:01.988 --> 00:33:04.049
drumming skills or their artistry or their

00:33:04.109 --> 00:33:06.692
creative mind or their inherent worth as a

00:33:06.711 --> 00:33:08.673
human being who deserves love and safety

00:33:09.173 --> 00:33:11.095
that's just to suggest that as we get

00:33:11.115 --> 00:33:13.836
into more complex topics i don't think

00:33:13.896 --> 00:33:17.298
they'll have good takes i think they'll

00:33:17.318 --> 00:33:19.901
start tapping away at their fingers as i

00:33:19.941 --> 00:33:21.561
try to explain something like systems

00:33:21.602 --> 00:33:21.882
theory

00:33:28.413 --> 00:33:29.512
I'm just in my own head,

00:33:29.553 --> 00:33:31.094
like contradicting myself, be like,

00:33:31.134 --> 00:33:32.314
but I could explain it to them in

00:33:32.354 --> 00:33:33.315
a way that holds their attention.

00:33:33.335 --> 00:33:34.674
Because that's one of the knowledge bases

00:33:34.694 --> 00:33:35.234
that I have,

00:33:35.275 --> 00:33:36.695
taking really complex things and

00:33:36.736 --> 00:33:38.336
simplifying them to people who are not

00:33:38.976 --> 00:33:40.696
needing to know it at the level that

00:33:40.797 --> 00:33:43.877
I know it.

00:33:44.038 --> 00:33:45.298
Which is a form of knowledge, right?

00:33:45.318 --> 00:33:47.118
Which is cool.

00:33:47.239 --> 00:33:48.539
It's cool that we have different forms of

00:33:48.579 --> 00:33:48.980
knowledge.

00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.480
And we have to hold some awareness around

00:33:52.520 --> 00:33:55.521
the fact that to know...

00:33:56.431 --> 00:33:58.392
to a very, very, very high degree,

00:33:59.172 --> 00:34:02.833
a quote unquote expert level degree is

00:34:03.053 --> 00:34:03.833
incredibly limiting.

00:34:04.673 --> 00:34:07.555
There are people who design cars to be

00:34:07.595 --> 00:34:09.815
fuel efficient and those people have to be

00:34:09.855 --> 00:34:10.695
insanely smart.

00:34:11.275 --> 00:34:13.777
The mechanic at your local Jiffy Lube

00:34:13.976 --> 00:34:14.936
isn't that smart.

00:34:16.050 --> 00:34:18.170
And the mechanic at your local Jiffy Lube

00:34:18.492 --> 00:34:20.233
knows so many different things about so

00:34:20.253 --> 00:34:21.634
many different cars that they can

00:34:21.994 --> 00:34:24.516
consistently day in and day out work on

00:34:24.536 --> 00:34:26.717
a plethora of cars, makes, models,

00:34:26.956 --> 00:34:30.860
ears in a way that is highly functional.

00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:31.920
That's super helpful to people.

00:34:32.521 --> 00:34:33.862
Again, that's great.

00:34:33.942 --> 00:34:35.342
And we should pay that person a living

00:34:35.402 --> 00:34:37.143
wage for sure.

00:34:37.244 --> 00:34:39.105
And then some.

00:34:39.125 --> 00:34:39.826
I'm not a car guy.

00:34:39.846 --> 00:34:41.726
I don't understand a lot of the car

00:34:41.766 --> 00:34:42.086
stuff.

00:34:42.166 --> 00:34:43.748
I don't know what all the things do.

00:34:46.186 --> 00:34:47.949
regrets in life is that I didn't take

00:34:48.028 --> 00:34:51.550
small motors and engines in high school

00:34:51.592 --> 00:34:52.492
because that was a class we had.

00:34:52.512 --> 00:34:54.054
And I didn't take it because it didn't

00:34:54.094 --> 00:34:56.054
fit as my father,

00:34:56.155 --> 00:34:59.777
who is also a guidance counselor,

00:35:01.259 --> 00:35:04.922
directed me towards staying on my academic

00:35:04.981 --> 00:35:07.083
path, which is fine, right?

00:35:07.123 --> 00:35:08.364
I graduated college in three years,

00:35:08.545 --> 00:35:09.206
saved a lot of money.

00:35:10.157 --> 00:35:11.378
And I don't know how engines work.

00:35:11.597 --> 00:35:13.960
I can't do regular maintenance on my own

00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:15.541
little lawnmower.

00:35:16.041 --> 00:35:18.943
I know enough about cars to change my

00:35:19.123 --> 00:35:20.706
oil and I could change my brakes if

00:35:20.766 --> 00:35:21.266
I need to,

00:35:21.385 --> 00:35:22.686
but I prefer to pay someone else to

00:35:22.706 --> 00:35:23.108
do that.

00:35:24.389 --> 00:35:25.230
I'm not a car guy.

00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:27.570
There's a certain level of knowledge

00:35:27.751 --> 00:35:28.092
there.

00:35:28.231 --> 00:35:28.492
Again,

00:35:28.572 --> 00:35:31.695
pattern recognition and knowledge base

00:35:32.375 --> 00:35:33.916
around that is necessary to do that

00:35:34.137 --> 00:35:34.677
professionally.

00:35:34.757 --> 00:35:36.378
Again, I think that is respectable.

00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:38.521
And also...

00:35:41.097 --> 00:35:43.358
a small unit of knowledge.

00:35:43.858 --> 00:35:45.458
And I don't mean small in like a

00:35:45.818 --> 00:35:47.298
judgmental or comparative way,

00:35:47.378 --> 00:35:51.000
like in the pantheon of all knowledge

00:35:51.139 --> 00:35:51.460
ever,

00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:53.739
that's a very small amount of knowledge

00:35:53.860 --> 00:35:54.239
you have.

00:35:55.081 --> 00:35:57.760
I understand how to change the oil in

00:35:57.820 --> 00:36:00.762
cars that were made from two thousand to

00:36:00.782 --> 00:36:03.661
two thousand twenty six in the history of

00:36:03.762 --> 00:36:04.621
all knowledge.

00:36:04.641 --> 00:36:05.661
It's very small.

00:36:06.043 --> 00:36:07.422
So is modern psychology.

00:36:07.463 --> 00:36:08.722
So it's psychotherapy, right?

00:36:11.295 --> 00:36:15.177
So my point that I've rambled to make

00:36:15.518 --> 00:36:18.740
is that we as humans can only occupy

00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:19.842
very small,

00:36:19.981 --> 00:36:22.324
limited amounts of knowledge at any given

00:36:22.384 --> 00:36:22.623
time.

00:36:23.945 --> 00:36:26.347
To be an expert in a field...

00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:28.681
It takes a lot to be an expert

00:36:28.721 --> 00:36:29.360
in multiple field.

00:36:29.380 --> 00:36:30.021
It takes a lot,

00:36:30.061 --> 00:36:31.384
which is why there are very few people

00:36:31.443 --> 00:36:33.925
who are like doctors and lawyers and

00:36:34.025 --> 00:36:34.626
astronauts.

00:36:35.188 --> 00:36:36.188
And when we find those people,

00:36:37.090 --> 00:36:38.771
we let them run the space mission because

00:36:38.791 --> 00:36:41.293
like, gosh, they're really fucking smart.

00:36:43.315 --> 00:36:45.778
And most people aren't that smart.

00:36:46.672 --> 00:36:47.793
people don't even have a knowledge base

00:36:47.833 --> 00:36:50.414
that like cracks top ten percent of their

00:36:50.454 --> 00:36:53.675
chosen field again your local mechanic at

00:36:53.715 --> 00:36:56.516
jiffy lube is great at being a mechanic

00:36:56.735 --> 00:36:59.335
and also isn't designing cars because they

00:36:59.577 --> 00:37:01.896
aren't at that level in their field of

00:37:01.976 --> 00:37:06.597
car knowledge dudes who who collect cars

00:37:06.677 --> 00:37:11.460
or ladies or whomever people i just drove

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:11.960
past a

00:37:12.641 --> 00:37:14.422
like hot rod show the other day.

00:37:15.204 --> 00:37:16.063
I don't know how to describe it.

00:37:16.083 --> 00:37:16.985
I'm not a car person.

00:37:17.485 --> 00:37:19.925
It was not classic cars.

00:37:20.106 --> 00:37:22.347
It was cars they did shit to,

00:37:22.367 --> 00:37:23.809
to make them look cool and have big

00:37:24.188 --> 00:37:25.130
engines on the outside,

00:37:25.230 --> 00:37:26.831
which I would describe as a hot rod

00:37:27.130 --> 00:37:27.650
car show.

00:37:31.012 --> 00:37:32.934
They probably know a lot about those cars.

00:37:33.235 --> 00:37:34.655
And that's not somebody who I would

00:37:34.695 --> 00:37:36.936
necessarily assume I want to change the

00:37:37.056 --> 00:37:37.817
oil on my

00:37:42.315 --> 00:37:43.836
They might know a lot about cars.

00:37:43.856 --> 00:37:45.440
They might know a lot about specific

00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:50.188
engines and specific... What chrome does,

00:37:50.668 --> 00:37:50.909
right?

00:37:51.168 --> 00:37:51.670
Or whatever.

00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:52.411
I don't know.

00:37:52.570 --> 00:37:54.233
Maybe they only understand what...

00:37:55.289 --> 00:37:57.331
flame decals to put on cars look good.

00:37:57.411 --> 00:37:57.871
Because again,

00:37:57.891 --> 00:37:59.251
that's a type of knowledge too.

00:37:59.291 --> 00:38:01.251
It's not one that I think is particularly

00:38:01.271 --> 00:38:01.652
important,

00:38:01.731 --> 00:38:03.592
but if you're doing hot rod shows,

00:38:03.612 --> 00:38:05.032
you might, and that's fine.

00:38:05.052 --> 00:38:07.012
I don't think interior decorating feels

00:38:07.072 --> 00:38:07.813
all that important.

00:38:08.454 --> 00:38:09.074
And again,

00:38:09.233 --> 00:38:11.534
those people have useful careers and make

00:38:11.554 --> 00:38:11.954
a lot of money.

00:38:12.255 --> 00:38:12.755
It's great.

00:38:12.775 --> 00:38:14.356
It's great that different people have

00:38:14.396 --> 00:38:15.275
different types of knowledge.

00:38:19.137 --> 00:38:21.617
Conservatist propagandists and bass

00:38:21.657 --> 00:38:22.117
players

00:38:23.458 --> 00:38:25.139
Don't have a base of knowledge to know

00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:27.780
mechanical engineering.

00:38:28.740 --> 00:38:30.362
Don't have a base of knowledge to know

00:38:33.603 --> 00:38:35.985
what government did or didn't do in two

00:38:36.025 --> 00:38:37.746
thousand one twenty five years ago.

00:38:38.286 --> 00:38:38.425
Now,

00:38:38.525 --> 00:38:40.626
Tucker Carlson does have a knowledge base

00:38:40.666 --> 00:38:40.887
to know.

00:38:41.273 --> 00:38:43.894
This is great propaganda that definitely

00:38:44.135 --> 00:38:46.614
fits into his whole shtick,

00:38:46.655 --> 00:38:49.135
which has been devoid of any sort of

00:38:49.275 --> 00:38:52.237
evidence and veers conspiratorial all of

00:38:52.277 --> 00:38:52.677
the time.

00:38:53.416 --> 00:38:56.097
So having a big name celebrity come on

00:38:56.358 --> 00:39:01.619
and talk about a conspiracy theory, again,

00:39:01.639 --> 00:39:02.139
I don't know,

00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.820
is conspiracy theories a knowledge base?

00:39:04.860 --> 00:39:05.940
I think by the way that I've sort

00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:06.521
of defined

00:39:07.597 --> 00:39:10.278
knowledge base as usable knowledge,

00:39:10.318 --> 00:39:11.059
then yes, again,

00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.519
like the ability to manipulate people,

00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.481
to be a grifter is a certain knowledge

00:39:14.501 --> 00:39:14.722
base.

00:39:14.742 --> 00:39:14.942
Again,

00:39:15.021 --> 00:39:17.143
it's not one that I think highly of,

00:39:17.164 --> 00:39:18.164
and it is one that I think we

00:39:18.204 --> 00:39:23.327
should be critical of, right?

00:39:23.608 --> 00:39:27.130
You could be helping people donate their

00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:28.010
organs, right?

00:39:28.771 --> 00:39:30.853
You wanna be like somebody who can shift

00:39:31.253 --> 00:39:32.574
public perception on things,

00:39:32.614 --> 00:39:34.695
let's get the boomers signing up for organ

00:39:34.735 --> 00:39:35.155
donation,

00:39:35.195 --> 00:39:36.797
because whatever PR scare campaign

00:39:37.250 --> 00:39:38.670
ran in the sixties has kept a lot

00:39:38.710 --> 00:39:40.592
of them from being organ donors, right?

00:39:40.652 --> 00:39:42.152
He could be using his powers for good.

00:39:42.331 --> 00:39:42.853
He's not.

00:39:42.972 --> 00:39:44.353
He's using it for personal enrichment.

00:39:46.094 --> 00:39:47.414
So I don't know.

00:39:47.594 --> 00:39:48.474
I don't think that's good.

00:39:48.815 --> 00:39:50.456
And I think Roger Waters, again,

00:39:50.536 --> 00:39:54.018
is not somebody who even being a fan

00:39:54.038 --> 00:39:55.137
of his work for most of his career

00:39:55.157 --> 00:39:56.298
was ever somebody who was like, ooh,

00:39:56.478 --> 00:39:58.800
I would... Roger Waters' opinion,

00:39:58.920 --> 00:39:59.860
let me hear it.

00:40:00.260 --> 00:40:00.740
By and large,

00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:02.701
it has been preferred to ignore his

00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.463
opinions because they've mostly been...

00:40:06.467 --> 00:40:06.887
Petty,

00:40:07.849 --> 00:40:09.429
snarky things he said about his former

00:40:09.449 --> 00:40:12.313
bandmates or former wives.

00:40:13.233 --> 00:40:13.653
Because again,

00:40:13.693 --> 00:40:15.255
he's somebody who being in an

00:40:15.275 --> 00:40:16.876
interpersonal relationship with seems

00:40:16.936 --> 00:40:18.217
hard.

00:40:18.317 --> 00:40:19.717
And he toured with Lucius and I like

00:40:19.777 --> 00:40:20.179
Lucius.

00:40:20.259 --> 00:40:20.679
So again,

00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.280
like maybe he's got some redeeming

00:40:22.300 --> 00:40:22.701
qualities.

00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:25.143
People, turns out, are not monolithic.

00:40:26.463 --> 00:40:27.764
I do feel confident in saying not an

00:40:27.824 --> 00:40:28.425
expert on that.

00:40:28.925 --> 00:40:30.067
Not an expert on nine-eleven.

00:40:31.487 --> 00:40:34.570
And as he increases in age,

00:40:34.730 --> 00:40:35.650
as we all will,

00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.059
This will come to me someday too.

00:40:39.878 --> 00:40:41.619
I expect his brain capacity to deteriorate

00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.400
as his brain literally deteriorates and

00:40:45.601 --> 00:40:47.181
he'll become more prone and more likely to

00:40:47.201 --> 00:40:48.400
fall for conspiracy theories.

00:40:48.860 --> 00:40:50.942
So whatever sharpness and on top of it

00:40:50.961 --> 00:40:52.481
he used to have, gosh,

00:40:52.782 --> 00:40:54.623
I'll just be ageist here and say I

00:40:54.663 --> 00:40:57.842
would doubt it as his numerical age

00:40:57.882 --> 00:41:00.503
continues to climb.

00:41:00.523 --> 00:41:01.623
Death comes to us all.

00:41:01.643 --> 00:41:02.923
All of our brains are going to

00:41:02.943 --> 00:41:03.324
deteriorate.

00:41:03.443 --> 00:41:04.925
All of our mental capacities and

00:41:04.965 --> 00:41:06.065
functionings will deteriorate.

00:41:06.873 --> 00:41:09.536
Mine's deteriorating right now because I

00:41:09.556 --> 00:41:10.876
had to watch Tucker Carlson clips.

00:41:10.896 --> 00:41:13.199
No, literally, though,

00:41:13.219 --> 00:41:13.918
it is deteriorating.

00:41:13.998 --> 00:41:16.561
Our brains are done growing past a certain

00:41:16.581 --> 00:41:18.842
point, twenty six ish for most of us.

00:41:19.402 --> 00:41:21.704
And and then we start a slow decline.

00:41:22.485 --> 00:41:23.485
So literally.

00:41:24.586 --> 00:41:25.668
Millennials tuning in.

00:41:25.708 --> 00:41:26.289
Hey, hi.

00:41:26.748 --> 00:41:28.389
Do your back and hip stretches, please.

00:41:29.010 --> 00:41:31.672
Also work on your brain plasticity because

00:41:31.693 --> 00:41:33.454
your brain is deteriorating right now.

00:41:34.235 --> 00:41:34.494
Slowly.

00:41:34.514 --> 00:41:34.635
Slowly.

00:41:36.567 --> 00:41:38.487
but still.

00:41:38.527 --> 00:41:39.208
So, yeah, I mean,

00:41:39.527 --> 00:41:41.887
I don't know whether it's a local

00:41:41.927 --> 00:41:43.748
celebrity saying God helped them win the

00:41:43.789 --> 00:41:44.608
game, uh,

00:41:44.889 --> 00:41:48.130
our little sports ball doing sports ball

00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:48.590
things,

00:41:48.670 --> 00:41:51.190
or it's basis talking about politics or

00:41:51.231 --> 00:41:55.791
it's, I don't know, Kim Kardashian,

00:41:56.092 --> 00:41:58.311
a celebrity whose only claim to fame is

00:41:58.472 --> 00:42:00.012
I think being a celebrity.

00:42:01.193 --> 00:42:01.313
Um,

00:42:04.590 --> 00:42:07.992
Whatever she does, I don't know.

00:42:08.012 --> 00:42:10.954
Divorces Kanye and sells makeup or lip

00:42:10.974 --> 00:42:13.016
filler or... I don't know.

00:42:13.215 --> 00:42:13.817
I don't know what she does.

00:42:14.916 --> 00:42:15.157
Again,

00:42:15.177 --> 00:42:17.418
this is a hard episode for me because

00:42:17.478 --> 00:42:22.362
I don't actually follow celebrities.

00:42:22.402 --> 00:42:23.402
But yeah,

00:42:23.422 --> 00:42:24.643
they might be good at a thing.

00:42:24.824 --> 00:42:25.864
Let them be good at the thing.

00:42:27.724 --> 00:42:29.505
I liked Aaron Rodgers talking about

00:42:29.565 --> 00:42:32.648
football.

00:42:32.688 --> 00:42:32.949
Not...

00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:34.820
COVID vaccines.

00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.081
I like Michael Jordan playing basketball

00:42:37.101 --> 00:42:38.922
and Michael Jordan owning a team went

00:42:39.043 --> 00:42:39.824
horribly wrong.

00:42:40.384 --> 00:42:40.603
Again,

00:42:40.945 --> 00:42:42.485
even I think within the same fields,

00:42:43.146 --> 00:42:48.351
that area of expertise is limited, right?

00:42:48.550 --> 00:42:50.773
It's not that we can know all things

00:42:50.833 --> 00:42:51.592
in a given field.

00:42:51.893 --> 00:42:53.394
It's usually like we have a particular

00:42:53.414 --> 00:42:55.215
skillset and if our knowledge base packs

00:42:55.235 --> 00:42:56.016
that skillset up,

00:42:56.396 --> 00:42:59.278
we can get really good at a thing.

00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:01.440
Exceptionally small numbers that people

00:43:01.460 --> 00:43:03.182
can get good at a number of things.

00:43:04.161 --> 00:43:05.581
Most of us are gonna have functional

00:43:05.621 --> 00:43:08.202
knowledge on a lot of things.

00:43:08.242 --> 00:43:09.043
We can cook,

00:43:09.563 --> 00:43:11.143
not good enough to open our own

00:43:11.204 --> 00:43:14.545
restaurant, right?

00:43:14.606 --> 00:43:17.686
So I think a lot of us would

00:43:17.706 --> 00:43:21.088
be happier people not following our

00:43:21.489 --> 00:43:23.050
celebrity's every take.

00:43:23.849 --> 00:43:25.971
I don't think we need to ask celebrities

00:43:25.990 --> 00:43:27.552
a lot of the questions they get asked.

00:43:28.032 --> 00:43:30.713
This isn't bury your head in the sand,

00:43:31.706 --> 00:43:33.487
And don't hold people accountable because,

00:43:33.527 --> 00:43:33.748
again,

00:43:33.807 --> 00:43:35.248
I think we should hold people accountable

00:43:35.288 --> 00:43:36.628
for having shitty opinions.

00:43:37.068 --> 00:43:40.228
I'm all for bringing back public shaming.

00:43:42.250 --> 00:43:43.050
But, yeah, I mean,

00:43:43.130 --> 00:43:44.490
this is a structural issue,

00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:45.590
not an individual one.

00:43:45.811 --> 00:43:47.831
To be critical of an individual celebrity

00:43:47.891 --> 00:43:49.192
does not get at the point that, like,

00:43:49.692 --> 00:43:51.693
we don't need to be having conversations

00:43:51.793 --> 00:43:54.713
about geopolitics with people who are not

00:43:55.253 --> 00:43:56.273
well informed on that.

00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:02.132
don't think like we don't even have that

00:44:02.172 --> 00:44:03.612
i don't think modern journalism really

00:44:03.652 --> 00:44:08.115
gets good at asking good questions i don't

00:44:08.135 --> 00:44:11.277
know if you've tried to follow any

00:44:11.318 --> 00:44:13.018
journalists lately even independent

00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:16.880
journalists again are like woeful on

00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.561
minding their own cognitive biases again

00:44:19.581 --> 00:44:21.222
that's the thing that i say regularly we

00:44:21.282 --> 00:44:23.204
all fail at even myself included who talks

00:44:23.224 --> 00:44:24.204
about it somewhat regularly

00:44:25.304 --> 00:44:26.206
I'm not saying you can avoid it.

00:44:26.226 --> 00:44:26.786
I'm just saying, like,

00:44:27.126 --> 00:44:28.347
there are people who are actively working

00:44:28.387 --> 00:44:29.387
against it and there are people who are

00:44:29.427 --> 00:44:31.028
not.

00:44:31.088 --> 00:44:32.230
So, again,

00:44:32.829 --> 00:44:36.672
to find someone who is an expert and

00:44:36.793 --> 00:44:39.014
has lived experience, has education,

00:44:40.295 --> 00:44:41.577
and has the skill set to do their

00:44:41.597 --> 00:44:42.637
thing really well, like, great,

00:44:42.677 --> 00:44:44.099
pay attention to that person in that

00:44:44.139 --> 00:44:46.380
thing.

00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:47.161
That's it.

00:44:48.824 --> 00:44:50.465
But the mechanism and why I said earlier,

00:44:50.505 --> 00:44:52.306
like I'd probably bring Marshall McLuhan

00:44:52.346 --> 00:44:54.527
up because again, like we are seeing,

00:44:54.626 --> 00:44:56.387
we see all of these things.

00:44:56.467 --> 00:44:59.608
Authenticity has been repackaged into not

00:44:59.648 --> 00:45:01.389
just as it filmed reality TV,

00:45:01.429 --> 00:45:02.411
but now we get to see them on

00:45:02.731 --> 00:45:03.550
Instagram live.

00:45:03.570 --> 00:45:04.632
We get to them at TikTok.

00:45:04.652 --> 00:45:06.952
We get to see them have their takes

00:45:06.992 --> 00:45:09.134
and their opinions on every topic ever.

00:45:09.213 --> 00:45:09.514
And like,

00:45:09.574 --> 00:45:11.454
that is a waste of our time.

00:45:12.876 --> 00:45:15.117
Go read a book by an actual historian.

00:45:15.197 --> 00:45:17.378
Don't listen to what Roger Waters has to

00:45:17.418 --> 00:45:17.617
say.

00:45:19.686 --> 00:45:21.998
go read a book by an actual historian

00:45:22.018 --> 00:45:24.007
while listening to Pink Floyd,

00:45:24.186 --> 00:45:24.911
if that's your jam.

00:45:28.903 --> 00:45:32.346
We don't need uninformed opinions on these

00:45:32.365 --> 00:45:32.985
things.

00:45:33.266 --> 00:45:38.889
It only serves to fill our own biases

00:45:39.610 --> 00:45:40.771
in that we say, oh,

00:45:40.891 --> 00:45:42.672
I like this person in this movie or

00:45:42.751 --> 00:45:44.532
in this show or in this song or

00:45:44.612 --> 00:45:45.233
on this team,

00:45:45.293 --> 00:45:46.514
and they said a thing that I agree

00:45:46.534 --> 00:45:47.894
with, so I like them more.

00:45:48.434 --> 00:45:49.815
That's just confirmation bias.

00:45:50.715 --> 00:45:52.197
And then we're disappointed and we're

00:45:52.217 --> 00:45:54.577
bummed out when somebody who's not us says

00:45:54.597 --> 00:45:55.778
something that we don't agree with.

00:45:58.271 --> 00:45:59.592
It's not coalition building.

00:46:00.092 --> 00:46:01.673
It veers towards purity testing,

00:46:01.713 --> 00:46:02.715
but also like, yeah,

00:46:02.755 --> 00:46:04.356
these people are not well-informed on

00:46:04.376 --> 00:46:06.639
these things.

00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:09.121
Find people who like are well-informed and

00:46:09.382 --> 00:46:11.463
learn and grow and have them in community,

00:46:11.503 --> 00:46:12.865
but it's okay to have them in part

00:46:12.885 --> 00:46:14.306
of your community and not other parts.

00:46:14.987 --> 00:46:16.769
I have sports friends and I have board

00:46:16.789 --> 00:46:19.773
game friends and one of those overlaps and

00:46:19.893 --> 00:46:20.873
generally they do not.

00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.840
I have therapy friends who are neither

00:46:23.900 --> 00:46:26.322
sport friends nor board game friends.

00:46:26.443 --> 00:46:29.304
I have nature friends who are hippies and

00:46:29.346 --> 00:46:32.208
like to be out in the woods and

00:46:32.228 --> 00:46:34.730
throw disc golfs into baskets.

00:46:36.990 --> 00:46:40.293
It's okay to have community that don't all

00:46:40.514 --> 00:46:41.333
do the same thing.

00:46:41.954 --> 00:46:43.056
Don't hang out with Nazis.

00:46:44.110 --> 00:46:44.389
Again,

00:46:44.469 --> 00:46:45.971
it's great to have standards in your

00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:48.012
coalition building and your community

00:46:48.032 --> 00:46:49.972
building, but like, yeah,

00:46:50.132 --> 00:46:51.554
celebrities aren't that they're not part

00:46:51.574 --> 00:46:52.153
of your community.

00:46:52.833 --> 00:46:54.735
You are exposed to them because your

00:46:54.795 --> 00:46:56.735
attention has been commoditized.

00:46:57.637 --> 00:46:59.737
And so the clicks and the views and

00:46:59.777 --> 00:47:03.820
the watches become part of a commodity

00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:06.581
that is different than community.

00:47:09.221 --> 00:47:11.521
So not only should we not put celebrities

00:47:11.561 --> 00:47:12.161
on pedestals,

00:47:12.222 --> 00:47:14.123
we do not want celebrities to be thought

00:47:14.163 --> 00:47:14.523
leaders.

00:47:15.123 --> 00:47:22.367
Literally anything.

00:47:22.807 --> 00:47:25.789
What a dumb timeline to be alive for.

00:47:27.090 --> 00:47:27.690
And also,

00:47:29.231 --> 00:47:31.251
what a great time to have lived through.

00:47:32.472 --> 00:47:34.632
Pepsi Blue and Dunkaroos, am I right?

00:47:36.094 --> 00:47:37.775
It's just a Glass Animals lyric, but...

00:47:38.971 --> 00:47:40.690
Dunkaroos were fine, not great,

00:47:40.771 --> 00:47:42.132
and I really didn't like Pepsi Blue,

00:47:42.251 --> 00:47:43.572
but I know people who did.

00:47:46.432 --> 00:47:47.693
Stop worshiping celebrities.

00:47:49.693 --> 00:47:51.755
Read books written by people who are

00:47:51.795 --> 00:47:53.494
actually really knowledgeable in the thing

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that they're writing about.

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Listen to podcasts if you must.

00:47:57.476 --> 00:47:59.056
That's a whole commoditized thing, too.

00:47:59.117 --> 00:48:00.237
I'm not even going to get into that

00:48:00.257 --> 00:48:02.358
because that's the medium that I'm

00:48:02.418 --> 00:48:03.398
operating on right now.

00:48:06.820 --> 00:48:08.623
don't make any money on it so you

00:48:08.663 --> 00:48:11.304
know there's your material analysis in a

00:48:11.344 --> 00:48:17.550
nutshell um let's see what's coming up i

00:48:17.570 --> 00:48:19.690
have one more solo episode and then we'll

00:48:19.710 --> 00:48:22.393
have some guests which are cool um

00:48:23.456 --> 00:48:25.257
an episode about cults coming up and an

00:48:25.297 --> 00:48:27.059
episode about community building coming up

00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:30.903
with a surprise special guest.

00:48:30.923 --> 00:48:31.525
That'll be cool.

00:48:31.565 --> 00:48:33.407
Lots of therapists lined up over the next

00:48:33.447 --> 00:48:34.728
couple of months to be guests.

00:48:34.748 --> 00:48:36.170
So we'll do a bit of this and

00:48:36.190 --> 00:48:36.751
a bit of that.

00:48:38.217 --> 00:48:40.637
be fun over on uh youtube unless you're

00:48:40.838 --> 00:48:44.159
already on youtube on my non-podcast uh

00:48:44.179 --> 00:48:45.960
i'm doing a little bit of an episodic

00:48:46.461 --> 00:48:49.422
series on divorce dad rock and how that

00:48:49.483 --> 00:48:51.985
created space for what is now uh the

00:48:52.005 --> 00:48:55.166
current manosphere to exist and uh is one

00:48:55.186 --> 00:48:56.887
of the more connected things i've probably

00:48:56.927 --> 00:48:58.947
ever recorded over on my youtube channel

00:48:59.648 --> 00:48:59.789
um

00:49:00.418 --> 00:49:01.117
which is a lot of fun.

00:49:01.197 --> 00:49:01.938
I just saw the Odyssey.

00:49:01.958 --> 00:49:03.679
So I'll have a review of that as

00:49:03.739 --> 00:49:04.039
well.

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:06.619
Uh, yeah,

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that's what's going on in my world.

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Uh,

00:49:10.581 --> 00:49:13.182
the religious trauma survivor retreat is

00:49:13.282 --> 00:49:13.922
coming up.

00:49:13.983 --> 00:49:15.884
You can still donate to that if you

00:49:15.903 --> 00:49:17.364
would like to, uh,

00:49:17.505 --> 00:49:19.105
link in the show notes or on my

00:49:19.144 --> 00:49:19.606
website.

00:49:20.326 --> 00:49:20.385
Uh,

00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:22.800
which is cool.

00:49:23.161 --> 00:49:24.663
I've gotten a lot of donations,

00:49:24.682 --> 00:49:26.083
a lot of funding for that,

00:49:26.143 --> 00:49:27.724
but I will leave funding open for it.

00:49:28.746 --> 00:49:30.146
A couple of people are able to attend

00:49:30.186 --> 00:49:30.987
on full scholarship.

00:49:31.027 --> 00:49:32.429
Everybody has partial scholarship.

00:49:32.588 --> 00:49:34.010
And so if you'd like to donate,

00:49:34.590 --> 00:49:36.112
support survivors directly,

00:49:36.492 --> 00:49:37.313
head over to the website.

00:49:38.554 --> 00:49:42.016
In the meantime, take care of yourself.

00:49:42.257 --> 00:49:43.077
Take care of somebody else.

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We'll be back next week with another new

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episode.

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Peace.