Rethink Your Rules
Dr Jenny Hobbs is a practicing physician with ADHD, a wife, and a mom to differently wired kids. She combines candid, insightful conversations with practical tools to help you enjoy better relationships at home, at work, and with yourself.
Rethink Your Rules
Must-Have Apps for Mental Wellbeing: You Need to Try These (Especially if you have ADHD!)
Ready to improve your emotional and mental health, all at the tip of your fingers? In this episode, I share three smartphone apps that have been game-changers for my mental wellbeing. I truly believe everyone can benefit from using these tools, and they are particularly invaluable for working moms with ADHD (like me and many of my clients).
1 - "How We Feel" - Improve your emotional intelligence, learn emotional regulation skills, track your moods and find patterns, and even share them with your loved ones if you choose. This app was created with the help of Marc Brackett, PhD, a Yale professor who studies emotions and wrote the excellent book "Permission to Feel." The app is quick & easy to use, and entirely free.
2 - "Insight Timer" - The largest available collection of free meditations, with options to suit every preference, as well as sleep meditations, sleep stories, white noise, yoga and more. This app is flexible and easy to use even if you find meditation difficult to fit into your schedule. There is a truly optional paid Pro membership if you want more content, but you still get access to more free meditations than anywhere else. When you first join Insight Timer, it can feel overwhelming, so to help you get started, I've put together a list of links to my favorite free Insight Timer meditations. Download it here.
3 - "Focus@Will" This app provides music specifically optimized to help you focus and be more productive. It was created after extensive research and the music is personalized to the way each person's individual brain works. It has been absolute game-changer for my focus and productivity. This one is not free, but it's affordable, and there is a 1 week free trial so you can be sure it works for you before you spend any money. I'm not one to spend money on apps, but I invested in this because it works so well!
Read to try them out for yourself? Check out these links:
https://howwefeel.org/
https://insighttimer.com/
https://getcoached.jennyhobbsmd.com/freemeditations
https://www.focusatwill.com/
I hope you love these tools as much as I do!
(Notes: I am not an affiliate and I do not receive any financial compensation for recommending these apps. I have used all of these only on Apple devices and have not tried them on Android. )
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Jenny:Hey, there it's Jenny. Welcome back to another episode of Rethink your Rules. This week I'm going to be sharing with you three of my favorite smartphone apps that I truly believe you should try at least once, if you haven't already. These three apps are all tools that have really been game changers for my mental and emotional health, and they've really all delivered on the promise of what they said they would do. And I have to say I've tried a lot of apps. I'm sure you have too. Some just don't work for me. They don't deliver. I feel like they're not really living up to the hype.
Jenny:And you know, some of it's just personal preference, of course, and I'm going to share with you why these three apps really fit with my preferences, my lifestyle, what works for me as a busy working mom with ADHD, and I'm going to share with you you know kind of break down for each of these, what I use them for, why they've ended up working for me, sometimes better than other options that are in the same area, and so, as you're listening, you know if you can relate to any of it. I really would encourage you to download them and give it a try. Maybe your brain doesn't work like mine. Maybe you won't get the same benefit from them, but I really feel strongly that when I find tools that work for me and make my life better, that I want to share them with other people. And I have to say I've been sharing these with my clients and some of my friends, and I've had really good feedback from others as well, so I know there are likely more people out there who need to hear about these things, so it's just kind of fun to talk about. You know, practical tools that we can use in our busy lives to make things better. Right, technology can be, has it's good and bad sides, but this is definitely one of the good things is all the tools that we can carry around with us day to day on our phones, right, that actually serve us instead of just distracting us, right?
Jenny:With that said, I did want to just get a couple things out of the way before I go into these in more detail. The first thing is that I don't make any money off of recommending these things to you at this current time September 2023. I am not an affiliate for any of these companies. I don't have a link to share where you're going to give me some percentage of money if you sign up for them or anything like that, and in fact, I would say, if anything.
Jenny:I actually am the person who loves apps that are free. I'm kind of cheap when it comes to apps, actually, which is sort of funny, because I tend to spend a lot of money on things I value, like high level coaching or, you know, travel or things like that fashion, but for some reason in my mind, spending money on an app, even if it's, like you know, a $3 app I can't bring myself to do it. I have some kind of weird inconsistency there. So this, for me, isn't really about money, if anything, it's just me genuinely saying. Genuinely saying, hey, I love these products and tools and I want to make sure as many people hear about them as possible. Sharing from the heart about that, and the fact that they aren't super expensive and there's a ton of free content that I'm going to be talking about is part of why I like them so much. That's one of the criteria that I use to decide what I like. The other thing I wanted to mention is that I do use an Apple iPhone, so this is really based on my experience in the you know iPhone and the Apple platforms. I did not explore these in Android, so I believe they're all available that way, but I haven't looked into it extensively, so just be kind of aware of that. Your mileage may vary if you use Android.
Jenny:The last thing I wanted to mention is that, although I do have ADHD and a very specific type of lifestyle where I'm on the go, I don't have a lot of free time. You know, I'm a working mom, so those, those facts about my life are part of why these apps are so useful to me, right, like a lot of them are addressing concerns that I have and lifestyle constraints that I have, or things that are difficult for me because of my ADHD. But, that said, even if you don't share those characteristics with me, I truly believe that anyone could benefit from these tools, and so I do encourage you to at least download them and give them a try and see if they work for you. Now, if your brain is a lot like mine and you really resonate with what I say, I suspect you'll be even more likely to love these apps. But if you're a person who's different from me, don't be afraid to give it a try, and I'll talk more about that with some of the specific apps as well.
Jenny:Okay, so the first one I want to share with you is an app called how we Feel, and it is entirely free. It is actually an app where you can improve your ability to track and name and manage and understand your emotions. Now, I know this may not sound very exciting, but if you have learned anything from me as a coach, please know that your emotions are the reason you do everything, the reason you don't do things. Emotions are extremely powerful, and we like to pretend that they're not. This app was actually created based on the concepts that are in one of my favorite books about emotions, which is called Permission to Feel, by Mark Brackett, phd, who is actually a professor at Yale, and he is the director of their Center for Emotional Intelligence, and so this is an app that's actually really designed to help improve our emotional intelligence, and it's such a game changer. So, first of all, the book is great, but let's say, you're busy, you don't have time to read this book. Well, you can get the app and you can start using it immediately, and you can start learning the concepts that are in the book on the go, applying it to your life in real time. I mean, how cool is that? So the the author of the book I was just telling you about, this, professor Brackett, phd, actually was involved in creating this app, which is super cool. So it's very well supported by his research and it is chock full of videos and information from therapists and clinical psychologists with tools for when you're feeling a certain emotion. So it's really really high quality and it's a mission that I absolutely love.
Jenny:The way that the app works is you actually go in and you check in about your emotional state at any given time and you're given a grid that shows you the possible emotions, and there's a framework that they use where you look at how pleasant you're feeling and how much energy you're feeling, and there's a quadrant that's there, and so you look and you find where you fall, and then you have all these options of emotions available to you. And let's say that you know that you feel sad, but you can't quite characterize it. You'll see all these different ways you could characterize your sadness with actual definitions, and so you can really kind of pinpoint a little bit better what actually is wrong. Are you feeling hurt? Are you feeling depressed? Are you feeling vulnerable? Are you feeling left out. Are you feeling abandoned, are you feeling rejected, are you feeling, you know, overwhelmed, and so you can really pinpoint that better.
Jenny:And then when you click on that and you go inside, you can track in there a note or a voice note about what's going on, or a photo, the situation that you're in. Then you can have it correlate with the weather, with how much exercise and sleep that you've had, and it really integrates nicely with the Apple data, or you can iterate yourself. It will even correlate with your menstrual cycle, and one thing I'm excited about trying with this is that you know I don't actually have periods because I have an IUD, but I'm very. I've noticed almost a cyclical nature to my ADHD symptoms, which makes a lot of sense, as I've talked about before, because ADHD is affected by hormones, right, and your hormones throughout the month change, and so I've kind of noticed there's certain weeks where I'm more or less able to function at a higher level, and so I'm really excited now to kind of see if my emotional state also correlates on a monthly cycle, which will all be very easy to do within this app. So I'm really looking forward to that and that's just the way I'm using it. But if you did have periods you would also be able to bring in that data and see how that correlates and get your you track it over time. Then it has a ton of additional options to say like where you are, who you're with what you're doing.
Jenny:And then I really thought it was great because you know, I kind of got stuck. The first time I did it Like I couldn't quite find the emotion I wanted on the first chart. But then I went in and I found, after you pick your first emotion, you can go in and pick a second emotion so you can kind of pinpoint a little bit more specifically like some related emotions that maybe you didn't see on the first page. So really nicely helps us develop this language around emotions, which one of the concepts I learned from the book. The first thing that I'm really privileged to feel is that people in Western cultures and in the United States have actually a really just a poor vocabulary. We're just don't have a very robust language around emotions so that makes it harder for us to recognize and understand them. So we have the first step is just getting more literate about our own emotions. And interestingly he was also talking in the book about how the English language itself, compared to many other languages, just doesn't have a lot of nuance for describing these things.
Jenny:This is a great tool to just get ourselves in that habit. But in addition to all of those great things, you can, if you want, actually choose to share some of your check-ins with your friends and loved ones. Now, you don't have to share all your notes and things like that, but they could just see your emotional state. And I was thinking this is such a great opportunity to connect with other people. I know for me, one of the times I used it, I was at work and I was feeling some type of way and I wasn't going to see my husband or my kids or any of my usual support system. I needed to sleep, I needed to get back to work, I had all these things I was doing and I was feeling a little bit overwhelmed, and so I was actually able to go in and name my emotion to myself and look at some of the strategies they suggested for handling it.
Jenny:But also I was thinking, wouldn't that be great if my husband, who's my best friend and my rock for these things, could see my emotional state check-in, even though we're not together and so then when I got home he could ask me about it or he might be prepared that I might be having had a bad day. And likewise, sometimes it would be nice for me to know if he's feeling totally burned out and exhausted with the kids, to be prepared for that when I come home or just to even show that we care about it. And I can think of some of my dear friends where we all kind of feel alone sometimes and miss each other and want to connect and just being busy moms. We don't have a lot of time and we're not going to constantly be reaching out and saying, hey, how are you feeling, how are you feeling You're having a bad day. But if I were to get a little notification that one of my friends or my husband was checking in about something I might know, oh hey, I should probably check in with that person because I noticed that they said they were feeling this way.
Jenny:It kind of makes your connections with others a little bit easier. It's actually using this concept of social media and connections in a positive way rather than sort of disconnecting us from people. So I just love that. I love that you're educating yourself, that you can do it really quickly on the fly, that you can put in all that data and really track patterns and, you know, use that to understand yourself better and see what works and what doesn't for you Creates that community community and connection with other people, if you choose. And I also thought what was really nice about it Was that using it was quick and easy.
Jenny:So if you're a busy doctor, like like myself, or any job really, you don't have all day to like sit around thinking about your emotions, but you could pop an emotion in there and then it brings up to you Okay, here's a strategy, you pick one right and then there's like a 30 second video about the strategy. But let's say you're not a place where you can watch the video. There's also like a written summary of the, the technique, and so you can really use it in whatever way works for you, whether you're in a place where watching a video is easier or looking at writing is easier or whatever, and you can really fit within your life. So definitely check it out. It's called how we feel. It's completely free. I think probably to some degree it's free because they're they do track some of the information on a global scale to Advance the research at Yale.
Jenny:So if you're super nervous about privacy, that might make you concerned. For me, I'm like this is like a, the cause I would like to support, like I would rather like. I truly believe in this work and I'll give up a little bit of privacy for you know the researchers to have this data if it helps more and more people become emotionally literate. So absolutely love it. No charge to people and there's obviously a donation option and I always like to. You know, like I said, be cheap about getting my apps, but then if I really let, love them and believe in the mission, then maybe I'll donate something right? So, and the last thing about this app I want to point out is that if you do have ADHD or people in your family with ADHD, remember that one of our biggest struggles is emotional regulation Probably the most common feature, actually and so this app is so perfect If that is something you want to work on or you want to help a family member with, or even I'm Tempted to see if it would be weird if I let my kids have it Like to access a little bit on their iPads when they have their screen time, because, honestly, I think my kids could do really well. In fact, the permission to feel Book is based around some concepts that they actually have rolled out in schools About learning to name your emotions. So if you're in a neurodiverse family, as many of you are, I think this could definitely be Extremely helpful for you. But again, it's not just for neurodiverse people. Everyone needs to improve their emotional literacy and emotional intelligence.
Jenny:The next app I want to tell you about is called insight timer. So of these three apps, this might be one you've actually heard of before. It does get mentioned in that list of meditation apps that you'll see when people are encouraging us to to do more meditation and mindfulness. It's on the list, it gets mentioned, I see, from time to time, but I feel like it's often pretty low down on the list or kind of an afterthought, or it doesn't really get the Spotlight that some of the others do, and for me, it's my go-to, it's the one I go back to every time, and so I want to talk a little bit about this and just make sure, first of all, if you haven't heard of it, to give it a try, and if you have heard of it and you haven't really used it to definitely take a careful look at it, because I do think it has so much to offer and some benefits over the other. So Inside timer is primarily a meditation app, although it also has Recordings on there that can help with sleep. They've added some yoga recordings. They have a lot of content on there. They have courses for self-improvement, they have talks and things like that as well.
Jenny:What I love about inside timer, the first thing is won't be surprised, it's free. So many meditation apps I try will give you like a couple of free Meditations, but you're constantly running into having to pay right away. Like you know, you do a couple meditations and then you reach a limit, or you know there's a few that can use over and over, but nothing longer than that, or whatever. I just I felt like every time I use some of the other ones which I won't mention by name because they're not really the point of this but I would just always run into like after pay for that, have to pay for that, and Inside timer has a huge library of free content. Now the downside is that maybe a little bit more overwhelming sometimes the qualities give or take, but there's ratings, there's reviews. You can kind of jump around and see what works for you and bookmark and save the ones that you like. And I have found I can find more quality, free content there than anywhere else. And I think too, with the way my brain works and maybe some of you can relate to this I like the variety. I like being able to go in and sort of find the ones I like and Jump, you know, pick a topic and just find something on the fly Versus.
Jenny:You know, this is the other thing that was hard for me about some of the other meditation apps. It's like they want to put you on like a program. You are going to meditate for five minutes a day or ten minutes a day through these guided meditations in this particular order, and I can see the value in that. But for me that just has never worked very well. It feels kind of like restrictive, it feels like it's not fitting into my lifestyle and then if I fall behind or I'm not doing it as much or I only have five minutes, not ten minutes, I start to feel like I'm like failing at meditating and I just Sometimes I needed more flexibility and less of like a structured routine and, like you know, I Don't know, even if my routine is that I sit down and do some mindfulness for five minutes, I still like being able to sort of pick what sounds good to me in that moment, like I get to do with inside timer. So again, maybe for some people they like that. But I didn't want to feel like my meditation was like a game I had to win or, like you know another thing, I had to check off my list. I wanted it to feel more intuitive and relaxing and Fun and that's how it's always helped to me and I think for a lot of my clients who struggle with finding the time to sit and be alone and meditate.
Jenny:I love that I can give them actually examples from inside timer. Like here is, you know, a Guide of meditation that's two minutes that you can listen to on your air pods in the middle of the work day and just like remind Yourself to sit and breathe and like refocus. And it's simple, it's easy. They can do it on the fly. They don't have to feel like they have to carve out a bunch of time at a certain time of day. First thing in the morning, get away from their kids to do this ten full minutes or else they're like not keeping up on their goal. So, and they do have those things, they have courses. They have, you know, more structured options within inside timer, but I just love that it has both.
Jenny:I also really love they have a really nice variety of sleep recordings and options. So they have, you know, white noise and things like that for sleep. They have bedtime meditations, but they also have interesting things like bedtime stories. So people just reading sort like the Velveteen rabbit or, you know, alice in Wonderland or various stories like that, and some people I found fall asleep really nicely to listening to a bedtime story versus a guided meditation or white noise. So there, those are there for you to try if you're needing a different type of sleep, sleep meditation. And there's actually even some interesting things on there where people have found, if they there's a man who reads a Wikipedia article about like galaxies or you know some arcane topic, and he just literally reads an informational article On the recording and the way his voice is and the way that the article is, it kind of like people listen to that and it kind Of sues them to sleep because their brain is like listening to this article and before they know it, they've fallen asleep, which sounds kind of crazy to me, but what I just love is like you could play with that and see what works for you. I've shown this to a lot of people and I've found that Usually everyone can find something in there that works for them, and then you can bookmark it and have it available Again.
Jenny:There's an opportunity for some connection and community there. If you choose it. There are groups, there are people that can check in with you. You can add friends there. Friends can see your playlist and things like that. They can see your check-ins. You can track your check-ins and see how often you're doing it every day, if you want to, so you can get that feeling of accomplishment, but it just feels like lower pressure environment, and Every day it gives you like an inspirational quote, that kind of you can make a little widget on your phone that you can see so lots of good things in that app. You definitely want to be sure, though, that you don't let yourself get overwhelmed and, like in decision, fatigue or like overthinking it. Just like try it out, see if you like it, if you don't like it, switch to another, one kind of thing.
Jenny:But I think if you can embrace the variety and Recognize that that can actually be a nice thing to keep it fresh and interesting, and that it really allows you to personalize it. I think that's a great choice and you can do all that for free. There are some pro add-on options that you can get and it ends up being like $60 a year. I think that's right. It might be $10 a month or $60 a year, but the pro is not prohibitively expensive if you find you're using it a lot, but you definitely don't need it to use all that stuff. There's just also pro meditations on there and then if you have people that you really like, you can support a person that you really love their meditations or you love their talks. You can actually donate money to them and support the work they're doing. You can follow them in other places and I also love that about it. I love that it allows people who are interested in working in this field an opportunity to showcase their work and reach more people through that, so I highly recommend checking it out.
Jenny:I will actually include in the show notes here a link. If you want, you can just download a document that has several of my favorite go-to meditations and tracks on Insight Timer. So if you go to the link in the show notes, click on that and then go through there and download, you'll be able to see my favorite two-minute meditation. I mentioned some of my favorite sleep meditations, and so I've curated a list of things that have worked for me and for clients so you can have those ready to go when you get yourself logged into Insight Timer. You can also, if you want, you can find me under the friends there and search for Jenny Hobbs and you'll see my face and you can connect with me that way if you would like. Totally optional, but that's just. I love to give people some go-to meditations when they start Insight Timer so they know where to begin and they don't get totally overwhelmed.
Jenny:So the last app I want to talk about is called Focus at Will, and the idea behind this app is that it provides specific music that is personalized to your brain to help drown out any potential distractions from your mind, so that you can simply focus on what you're trying to do, and it can increase your productivity. So there's some interesting signs behind this that I won't go into great detail about with the interest of time here, but basically our brains have these kind of two modes one that's sort of scanning the world around us, looking for danger or things going on, and then we have the mode where we're really focused on something that we're doing task focused and when we go to task mode we have to turn off the scanning mode, looking for all the stuff around us. And switching between those two can be difficult and can require different things for different people. So for someone with ADHD in particular, it's very challenging and this has definitely been my experience Like if I'm trying to work on something and focus, listening to the types of music that most people use to focus, dude, it's not work for me because a lot of people would recommend, like classical music or something without any words or something that's like that brown noise or white noise or whatever.
Jenny:And or like some people just need complete silence, right, and I, my brain, cannot handle it. Like the background noise of my brain, like the scanning part of my brain is just looking for a distraction. Oh, why is it so quiet? Oh, what's going on there? Oh, like, like those, I like to think it like a lot of the music and things that people listen to to focus, it's like so boring for me that my brain is like too bored to focus on what I'm doing, my brain's like we don't like this and that can't be like is not able to be drowned out that kind of background activity.
Jenny:And so, for me, when I tried out well, I should say, before I tried out, focus it will what I did was I would listen to like upbeat music. A lot of times it was music I already knew that had a good beat, that I liked the song and the lyrics, but I actually needed, you know, lyrics and something fun and energetic, which is really the opposite. Like a lot of people said, they can't focus when there's words in their music. But I was like no, I need the words because I need that to like keep my brain stimulated so I can focus. I know sounds really crazy, probably, if you're the opposite, but that worked for me. However, it wasn't a great solution for a number of reasons right, like sometimes it did distract me, or like I'm listening to random music and I get tired of that playlist and I spent a lot of time trying to find another suitable song. That's like right, and it just was never perfectly ideal.
Jenny:And so I heard about this app and I was like well, I have nothing to lose. I'll give it a try. There's a one week free trial. If I don't like it, I'll just cancel. And it has just been exactly what I needed. And I was so amazed I went in there and it has you do a little bit of a questionnaire and then it recommends some channels. So they have different types of channels within the app that are more or less energetic, more or less soothing, and so they've engineered all this music through lots of data and research and analysis and they've engineered these different channels. And then I was given some channel options and the channel they recommended for me it's just perfect for my brain. It doesn't have words, it doesn't distract me, but it's not boring. It's just the right amount of stimulation and I get so much done when it's on.
Jenny:I was actually blown away and, like I said, I'm very cheap about apps. I never do this, but I paid for this one. I think it's like $52 a year. It's even less if you pay for two years at a time and I was like $52, that's less than a nice dinner out and even just a pizza dinner out sometimes feel like more than that and for the whole year I can be so productive in this music. The music made me happy and energized and did not distract me from what I needed to get done. I honestly was surprised how well it worked. So if you have ever struggled with what I just described, you should definitely check it out. But even if you haven't, they actually talk about in their information when you read about this app.
Jenny:This app is also extremely effective for people who don't have ADHD, and some businesses actually use it for lots of people too, because we all have, to some degree, this problem with switching between the two parts of our brain and we all need slightly different amounts of stimulation, which is why this app is so nice, because it's so personalized to you and you can really play around with your favorites. The other unexpected reasons I love this app are that you can play around with your favorite. It actually makes a wonderful timer. So one of the things I struggle with with ADHD is my time management, and I'll be okay. I'm going to write this note and I'm going to stop in 15 minutes and then go to the next thing, so I might have a timer on my phone. That's like vibrating. It's 15 minutes, so, but what do I do if I'm not done. Well, I just hit snooze on the timer, right, or just, you know, ignore it, turn it off and continue.
Jenny:When you set a timer on your music, on Focus at Will, you're going along, you're listening to it, you're doing your work, and then the music stops at the time that it's supposed to, and then it's dead silence and in some weird way for my brain, like that dead silence after the music turns off Is a powerful like end point for me, like I can't sit there and keep working in the silence because my brain is like where'd the music go? Where'd the music go? And then so I really have to actively like stop and like restart the music, and so for me it's a much more effective timer actually, because I can't just ignore it quite so easily. And I know it seems crazy probably, but I'm just going to tell you that's what I've noticed. The other thing that I noticed was that when it's playing the music, my iPhone has these really gorgeous peaceful images that it rotates through, and so often, when I was listening to my other music, I was still able to easily, you know, get distracted by something on my phone or whatever. But when I'm on this app, like the picture's right there and I can see it and the music's going in and I'm really in the zone and it's a pleasant thing to look at. That keeps me motivated and focused.
Jenny:And what happened to me after I did it a few times, used it a few times, was that my brain began to like see this as a pattern. Like when we listen to this music, we do work Right, and so I have this now. When I turn this on, my brain goes into work mode and we get stuff done and then it's off and then we are off mode, and so I love that. It's now not my same fun pop music that I listen to when I'm just relaxing, but my brain's actually being trained to get into work mode with it and so it's all. Just, it's like all my senses are really engaged by that. So, again, I was pretty skeptical when I heard about it, but it's pretty amazing. It was created by a musician and an entrepreneur, and then they also had Ned Holloway, who's one of the big names in ADHD research, actually helped them create it and work with them and uses it and lots of really great feedback.
Jenny:And I will say last thing I want to say about this app I shared it with one of my clients who has ADHD. I just mentioned it and within I want to say like 24 hours, she texted me and said, oh my gosh, I use that app you gave me and I got more done. I had like the most productive day I've had in ages thanks to it. And so I know it's not just me. I know there are more of you out there that need this and would be surprised how much you need it. You may not even realize.
Jenny:So this, as usual, went a little longer than I expected, so wrap it up, but there's three apps that I really believe everyone needs to try that have been game changers for me, and they are how we feel insight timer and focus at will, and the website is spelled out focus ATWILL, but the app is focus a like ampersand will, and I'll put a bunch of info on the show notes for you guys, including the downloads of the my favorite insight timer meditations, but also links to find the all three of these apps. Please check them out If you haven't already. Let me know what you think, and I hope you have an amazing, productive talk to you soon.
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