Balance & Beyond
Balance and Beyond is the podcast for ambitious women refusing to accept burnout as the price of success. Here, we’re committed to empowering you with the tools and strategies you need to achieve true balance, where your career, relationships and health all thrive and where you have the power to define success on your own terms.
Balance & Beyond
How Theresa Became Unbreakable
Have you ever felt overwhelmed and shackled by past experiences? Meet Theresa from Texas, whose path from frustration and self-doubt to becoming a fearless world challenger is nothing short of inspiring. A seemingly random encounter on social media sparked her transformation, shifting her mindset from knowing it all to embracing the power of personal growth. Hear Teresa's reflections on how being truly seen and heard became a cornerstone in her journey, ultimately empowering her to use her gifts to inspire meaningful change. Her story is a testament to the courage it takes to embrace change and the profound impact of personal transformation.
Alongside Theresa's incredible journey, I share a deeply personal experience from a retreat that led to the symbolic release of my own burdens, both emotional and physical. This moment of vulnerability and self-discovery allowed for healthier relationships and personal growth, underscoring the importance of shedding past guilt and shame. Together, we explore the transformative power of vulnerability, particularly for women overcoming past challenges, and highlight Theresa's efforts to empower others through her book and conferences. This episode is a call to invest in yourself—not from selfishness but as a powerful step toward serving others and creating a ripple of empowerment across communities.
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Welcome to Balance and Beyond, the podcast for ambitious women who refuse to accept burnout as the price of success. Here we're committed to empowering you with the tools and strategies you need to achieve true balance, where your career, relationships and health all thrive and where you have the power to define success on your terms. I honor the space you've created for yourself today, so let's take a breath and dive right in. Welcome to Balance and Beyond. And today I am joined by a special guest all the way from Texas. Theresa came to me many, many years ago and I'm very excited to share. She just said to me what happens when you change your thinking. Welcome, Theresa.
Theresa:Well, hello. Excited to be with you.
Jo:Lovely to have you here. What I would love you to do is to start off by sharing a little bit about yourself. I mentioned you're in Texas, but who are you and, yeah, what has been going on in your world? Just a little bit about you.
Theresa:Sure, well, thank you. You know what? The who has evolved so much over the last couple of years. So I will say, if I were to identify myself, I would say world challenger, game changer, fearless woman, who I was not just a few years ago, but absolutely from Texas, in fact, in a little bitty town that's now getting on the map called Taylor, Texas. Lots of momentum and movement. Out here, my husband and I own a couple of businesses, I'm a homeschool mom and I'm really just out here to make a difference in the world.
Jo:Look at that indifference you are. But, as you mentioned, that was probably not how you described yourself a couple of years ago. If you cast your mind back to that version of Teresa, how do you think you would have described yourself then?
Theresa:Yeah, well, for sure, jo. When we first met you know it's so fun to say all the way from Texas I remember being on Facebook scrolling on a Sunday morning and I heard a voice all the way from Australia and it was so fun to look back and see who I was and where I was in that space and time. And I will say, probably the best way to explain who I was and where I was was frustrated. Explain who I was and where I was was frustrated. I was overwhelmed, I was questioning where my place was in life and why there was so much potential built up into me but it wasn't being actualized. And hating the word potential, actually, and just you know, very I think I was. I always had this idea of big impact, big dreams, big desires, but I didn't have the capacity to see it because I was overwhelmed.
Jo:And what made you say yes to come and work with a random Australian that you'd never heard of when you're sitting there in Texas? What made you say yes?
Theresa:Yeah, I feel like opportunity met a need, you know, and I think that happens so so often, but we many times overlook it. I feel like, at that place in time, the opportunity of you being on my Facebook feed, and like I don't even know how that happened, but obviously I was throwing some vibes right that put me in your algorithms, but I feel like it was just serendipity, it was the right time, it was the right moment, that I was ready for change and I think I was curious, probably for the first time, because I was tired of being overwhelmed, tired of being frustrated. I think I was curious and so that's probably what got us, at least on the phone call. And then, and then, when I got on the phone with you, I really felt for the first time that I was seen, and I think that is a gift, that is a huge gift to be able to give somebody.
Theresa:I believe that all of us have an innate desire to be seen, valued and heard, and until we're seen, we can't be valued and we don't share our voice. And so, jo, to be able to see people and to express and the bravery that you had to even just reach out and expand what you were doing and the time that I needed the expansion. I think it was perfect timing, perfect opportunity and you using your gifts to show that you can see people.
Jo:Oh, thank you, that's lovely, and there was a few big moments we've had together that seem like were turning points in your life. Can you describe any of those turning points, big moments that you can say, wow, you know.
Theresa:At that point something shifted in me at that point, something, something shifted in me. Sure, um, you know, I first I'll say, when I first started working with you, while I was curious and hungry, I also had an attitude problem. And I don't mean like you're snobby, I hope I never came across that way but I felt like in my spirit I'm like I already know a lot of this stuff, you know, and in the background and my background prior to getting to know you, and at that point I was a solo entrepreneur, I was self-employed and had a vision for inspiring people, but my background was banking and in the corporate world, a lot of the tools and resources that I found that I was working with with you on were things that I had already kind of done before. And so when I first started working with you, I had to have a one shift.
Theresa:That the first shift I can think of is when, when I was doing the work with you is I had to come to the realization that, yeah, I've done some of this before, but when I was doing it before I was doing it for somebody else. When I'm doing it now, I was doing it for me. And that was a huge shift, right? Just the empowerment of saying, okay, I've done these tests of somebody else, like personality tests or assessments or digging deep or journaling I've done these things to be better for somebody else, but today I'm doing it to be better for me, and I think that was a big shift that I got early on, when I was finally able to say, okay, I'm going to, I'm going to dig into, to what this program is and really, like, suck every bit of juice out of it that I can.
Jo:Yeah, yeah. As you said, you've done a lot of personal development work and in one of your businesses that you run, you're incredibly successful and incredibly inspiring and very good at motivating people. So I guess that's a very common trait that we see of women who come into our world you know all the things, but often you're not doing all of the things or doing them in the way that's going to get you the change that you want.
Theresa:Well, for sure, and I think, like you said, we do it for other people, whether it's because I want to serve somebody else to the detriment of myself, or because I just want to be obedient. So I'm going to do what you asked me to do, but either way, when you know I can't remember who said this quote, but when you turn, maybe you said this but when you turn the eye inward, that's when you can really start to, you know, to see the shift and and to see things for the value that they bring, not just for the. You know, doing the one step at a time.
Jo:Absolutely, and you and I had some fun together in Florida a couple of years ago. I got to give you a hug in person and you said to me I must warn you, I'm a little on the petite side and I saw you're like, oh my gosh, look at this little tiny powerhouse with big heels on with the big hair. I was like I love it. The ultimate Texan was amazing to get to spend a weekend together in Florida. What happened on that retreat? Anything powerful? That again, was it another catalyst for change?
Theresa:Sure. Absolutely, absolutely. I talk about this all the time, you know. Number one I will say that getting to the retreat was a decision that I really had to come to terms with, because again, so many times in my life I'd be like I don't really need that, or maybe I don't want to invest the money in that. You know, maybe it's my first vacation away from my husband, right, like I don't want to do that. You know that kind of thing. So I had to, like put myself in a place where I said, ok, no, I'm doing this again for me, and I think you know that's a big deal. And, yes, I always tell people before I see him in person. I'm like, I'm so much taller on Zoom, so there's always the shock factor. They're like, well, you're not as short as I thought you were. No, I'm just kidding, but I think you know, when we first came in, you created such a beautiful space, joe, to just be, to just be right to, to shut off the noise. Like I still had conversations with my husband when I was there. I still checked in on school. I, I don't think I checked in on work, but you know, good for me, right, but I did. You know, I found myself in a place to just be and you created such a beautiful environment for vulnerability, um, for reflection, and while we had done a lot of those exercises throughout virtual settings, which were amazing and you can really, you know, get into the moment, I remember some of the virtual exercises that we did with some journaling and just intentionally taking that time to journal is huge. But at the retreat you're like there, you know, it's not like I can say I'm going to journal for 10 seconds and go flip out the laundry, right, or I'm going to go and grab another cup of tea and then get stuck chasing a cat and then, oh gosh, the dog had a mess and you know all of those things Right.
Theresa:But I got to just be and there was a couple of things that I realized about myself at the retreat that I had never come to terms with before. One of those things was that I had picked up a belief or a pattern that I didn't express emotions, I didn't express crying, and of course I'm around this group of ladies who obviously didn't get the memo, they knew how to cry. And here I was, I'm like, well, I don't cry. It's like you know, your 10 year old saying, well, I'm not going to laugh Like, no matter what you do Right, and being in that place of just surrender and again vulnerability and getting to be in the space of collective energy was so beautiful. It really brought me to a place where I was allowed to allow that tear to fall Right, and that was huge. And then I think I cried for a long time, but the other piece probably because of that, I was able to see something else. You know, many times I feel like our vision is clouded because we've got this in front of us that's blocking us from seeing that. That's blocking us from seeing that.
Theresa:And, joe, when I first started working with you, one of the biggest, probably, issues that I had I just didn't have words for it yet was that I wasn't making the impact in the lives of others to the extent that I felt like I could. Again, potential was a word that really pissed me off. It was, you know, it was like oh, you're so you could. You could absolutely, but but potential means that there's a possibility, but there's something blocking you Right, like you haven't arrived yet.
Theresa:And so I really felt like, yeah, there was this hindrance when you and I first started working together and I couldn't pinpoint it, I couldn't figure out what it was. It felt so external and I just kept blaming essentially my circumstances between my obligations with one job to another job, or if time spent here means not time spent there, and I was very siloed and had to, like you know, put things in boxes essentially, and after we had that moment of finally, I don't even know what pricked that tear. Then I was able to get to the next phase, which was a very pivotal phase, at your retreat, at our retreat.
Theresa:It was a collective retreat. We all experienced it. Yes, and that was for the first time. I had this vision and I get visions every once in a while but this particular vision that I could see what was separating me from other people, and I saw it in the sense of something that was in the room and I can actually I can look at behind you and almost put myself back in that place, right, because you were sitting in front of me.
Theresa:I was probably sitting on the ground, I think I was on the floor and in front of a chair and I think you were sitting like next to a table or in front of a table, but behind you was this big shelf and it was kind of it was an arched over shelf and it had a lot of things on it and all of a sudden, it was like I had this awakening or this knowing that what was holding me back was a shield, because I could see it. I could see something that made me realize that that's what it was, and what that represented was I had for protection, for preservation, for all of those things, for guilt, for shame, for, you know, all of these beliefs or barriers that I had picked up throughout my life had protected myself with a shield, and when I got that visual that was behind you, in that moment it literally awakened me to realizing that that's the reason I wasn't able to have that impact with people is because if you're carrying an 800 pound shield which is probably what it felt like, especially to my nothing you know frame you're carrying an 800 pound shield around you. How effective are you at reaching other people if you're blocking that exchange? So, anyway, that became such a pivotal moment and literally in that moment I was like I see it and you're like what do you see? And I'm like I see the shield what shield? The one I've been carrying, what do you mean you've been carrying? And it was just like this whoa, like wow moment and it's so fun to remember that. You know, in that moment I gave myself permission to put the shield down and I mean that's a process, I think, any kind of healing work that we do when we put something down, many times we want to just pick it right back up. In fact, you know, we're like because we're so used to it, right, muscle memory. You know somebody's getting too close. Pick that shield back up, something's happening. Pick that back up and, um, it was quite empowering and impressive to to see it, to see what it was and to have a visual.
Theresa:And then I'll say I think this was the last day of the retreat and the next day, you know, I'm riding with Bex to the airport and we're just having a wonderful conversation. I get to the airport, my flight's delayed for like four hours. I don't even care Like I literally felt like I was high or floating home and the only thing I could attribute that to is that I had just released this incredibly amazing weight off of me. Incredibly amazing weight off of me, and that was so profound.
Theresa:I came home and didn't for the first time have re-entry with my husband, which was, you know, kind of the thing when you go away for a weekend and you come home and you're, like, you know, fighting or whatever. I didn't have that re-entry and I actually came home and made amends with a couple of people who I had division with and like mended some relationships, and so it was really a really cool and, I think, pivotal time in my career and something that was so needed. And I say career, but really it has nothing to do with career, everything to do with life.
Jo:Absolutely, and a lot's changed since then in that time, not just from a career perspective, but also physically. Like you, you dropped the metaphorical shield and then you dropped a whole stack of pounds. Yeah, no, coincidence, right. You put the emotions down and now the physicality, the weights behind you, now has permission to drop.
Theresa:You know, I was one of my favorite things, obviously the shield moment, but also getting to meet the people in the room with us that were at that retreat. You know, it's funny to think about the moments that we all had together and the moments of vulnerability I'll remember and I won't say names or whatever. It's their story, not mine, but, um, when I think of certain people who had other aha, beautiful moments and I can just feel their energy right now, like just thinking about it, I can feel the, the beauty of those moments. And one of the other people that I met, of course, is our, our mutual friend now, dr Val, and, um, one of the takeaways that I had, and and probably again having to do with dropping the shield and wanting to do something finally for me, without being selfish, but to realize that if I'm not well, how can I help anybody? Like seriously, you know.
Theresa:And so I got to work with Dr Val and that was a beautiful experience and I do believe that we are mind, body and spirit. That's my belief is that we were created from a spiritual aspect, a mental or body, and a physical. And when we deal with just the mindset but we leave the body out. We can be, you know well, in in here but broken here, and if we leave the spiritual side out, then you know there's just there's so many pieces to all of that healing. And so, anyway, when I think about that surrender of the shield made way for a surrender into the physical piece which kind of completed where I was at, I was always strong spiritually. I needed help and support mentally and physically, and that's what you know, I believe, really came from working with you and then Dr Val, and so, where are you now?
Jo:Where has your journey taken you? And do you still cringe at the word potential, or are you now embracing it and living it?
Theresa:You know, I don't even hear that word anymore, which is so fun.
Jo:Who needs to right?
Theresa:Nobody says that to me anymore. I have arrived. No, I'm just kidding, but I haven't. I haven't arrived. There's so much, there's so much to do and to learn and you know, as I talked earlier about really being at that place, in that time of blame and external, you know, I really struggled back then. Is is why I just can't be successful, because my time is torn here, or I just can't be successful because I have to do this and I just, you know, and so I had all of these, if I have to do that, then I can't do this. So my mindset was just so conditional as opposed to abundant and and and right, like and I can. And so you know, when I came back from the retreat, I guess this was the well, this, I know this was. This was in the summer of 2022.
Theresa:And one thing I want to add as well is the power of connections that I found in working with you and Dr Val, and at that point, katie and and even some of the people in the tribe, was when, when I got home from that retreat. You know, it's almost one of my one of my favorite words that I like to talk about is scripture, and it says that as soon as the word is sown, the enemy comes, and it's like as soon as you start on a path. A lot of times we're hit with adversity and when I came home from that retreat, I was on fire. I was set on a path, I was lighter, I was freer, right, and then immediately got gut punched with a situation that was just horrific, and my normal reaction would have been pick up the shield, pick up the shield. But because of what was really solidified in me and the impact of that moment, I was able to say I don't have to pick up the shield, but this still does hurt and maybe I need to walk through the emotions of what we're dealing with instead of try to pack them away and um, and then subsequently something else happened and we lost my mom, and again it was one of those situations where I had to literally work through emotions and my past me wouldn't have really worked through it. Well, I would have just had that shield up and would have continued to push him back, push him back, push him back, not cried. You know I probably wouldn't cry when my mom passed, but you know it was a different. I was a different person because of what happens with the work that we did and the turning moments at the retreat. And so today we're in a different, total, different world.
Theresa:So right after mom passed away, I came home from her funeral and I was having this conversation with the Lord and I was like God, this is not fair. I was wearing one of my mom's shirts and it was a picture of like Rosie the Riveter although it wasn't her, but you know it was like that and at the top of the shirt it says I'm looking at it right now. It says lung cancer warrior, and on the bottom it said unbreakable. And I just I was so broken and heartbroken and I thought, god, this is so unfair. Like, why did she have Right? She fought this, she overcame lung cancer, but then she dealt with kidney cancer. It's just.
Theresa:I was just in this devastating moment and the answer that I got in my spirit was we are all going to go through challenges in life that are going to crush us, that are going to bend us, that are going to hurt, and many times we're going to feel like we're breaking, but with the right foundation, until it's time to come home. Like my mom, it was time for her to go home. Until it's time to come home, you will and will always remain unbreakable. And in that moment, that was the answer that I got, that put us on a trajectory of a whole new business, a whole new way of serving and showing up and empowering people. And so I got the feeling, okay, women's conference was our next thing.
Theresa:So I launched a women's conference, decided to call it Unbreakable, and then I was asked okay, well, what's next? And I'm like, well, I don't know. And so I started reflecting and I'm like, well, I don't know. And so so I started reflecting and I'm like, well, what makes what is that foundation Right? Because it said, with the right foundation.
Theresa:And so I started thinking about the journey that I had taken over the last five years with you and with Val and Dr Val and and just other people that that have been put in place in my path for such this time, that have been put in place in my path for such this time.
Theresa:And so I started thinking about it and I just started writing things out that I had picked up along that journey and literally I identified seven pillars to the foundation, and they go from self-discovery to our mindset and mind shifting, to our beliefs, to our trauma and defining moments. That's a big one, right From there to health, from health to community and community to purpose. And so now we have Unbreakable Enterprises and we help people build the foundation of an unbreakable life, and we do that through, you know, our life assistance type programs to our business coaching and consulting programs, to our marriage coaching, consulting, counseling programs, and we're creating Unbreakable Families. So it's just been so fun to have gone from a place of limitation and feeling like there's so much more out there, but being trapped and not realizing that I was the one that was holding the trap, to releasing it and then to seeing how the expansion power could actually be.
Jo:That's so impressive. Unbreakable enterprises that's such a beautiful word for it. This is empire, now that you are building around who you've become, and there's no room for shields here. Right, you're showing up as yourself, you're sharing your story. I know you really embrace that vulnerability now and that's why so many women look up to you. They've always looked up to you, but, as you said, there was something between you and now you're so much more authentic and because of that, you're having such an exponential impact on so many lives, which is just so amazing to see. Every time I see something pop up on social, I'm like go Teresa, go Teresa. You're doing such an amazing job. So who would have thought right?
Theresa:You know. I'm glad you mentioned vulnerability, because one of the other aha moments now this wasn't like in a session and this wasn't at the retreat, but during the course of working with you. I'm thinking, cause I believe we started working together in 2021, like in January. I think that's right, yeah, and October of 2021, um was a time that I became the most vulnerable that I had ever been in my life and that became a pivotal moment. But had I not really done the work and felt safe? Again? Community is before purpose, because we have to have a place to feel safe, and I think that's why your retreats were so empowering as well is because we, you, created a place in the retreat to let everybody feel safe, to be seen and valued and heard. And so, anyway, I I remember having this conversation. I talk to God a lot, but I had this conversation with God and I was putting my makeup on and I remember you know I have pink Cadillac written on my mirror and where my makeup was and I had becoming the best written on there. Again, this was 2021, when we first started working together.
Theresa:I was definitely trying to break through some beliefs and create some big goals and attainment, and I remember, joe, one time, when I was putting my makeup on I believe it was in September I felt that voice pop up in my head that said but Teresa, what if they find out? Said but Teresa, what if they find out? And it was one of those moments that I was like so frustrated because I didn't realize how loud that voice was until that moment of stillness. And I remember thinking, oh my God, when will this voice ever leave me? Like you know, I'm 40 something years old at that time. I can't do the math backwards, but I probably can. I was 21, so I was 40. I was 40 years old at that time.
Theresa:The situation I knew exactly what that voice referred to. It referred to a situation, a thing that happened when I was 13 years old and I literally went through this experience. I was so frustrated. I'm like why does this keep haunting me? When will this voice ever leave me? And again, I had this conversation with God and the response I got was so pivotal and this was something that we talk about at our conferences, because vulnerability and transparency is so important, because that's when you can surrender. But anyway, I said when is this boy's ever going to leave me?
Theresa:And then I felt immediately a check in my spirit, and that check was Teresa, would you hold your 13 year old daughter hostage to a situation that happened to her at 13? I said no, of course not. Like who would do that to their kid? You have girls, I have. There's no way, like, no way. They don't even have a brain yet. Like, seriously, like the choices that they make, the choices that we, at 13 years old, you, you can't, you can't hold them to that Right. And then the question that I got immediately after that was then why are you holding yourself hostage? And I was like, oh, so in that moment, and again I had to come to the place where I was willing to reflect, willing to think different and let things go. But in that moment I started another process of healing and was able to let things go.
Theresa:And when we created our Women's Conference, a couple of years later now, one of the things that we do is we do storytelling for the purpose of helping people get things that have held them back shame, guilt, all of those things that held us back, feeling isolation and we give a voice to them. Because I believe that our stories will do one or two things. They'll either be the chains that hold us down and keep us drowning and falling and hurting, or they will be our keys to freedom, and once we unlock ourselves, we can go in and unlock somebody else. So I'll just say we created from the conference a book called pieces to purpose unbreakable women who refuse to give up, and this is full of stories of 17 different women who put power to their voice and took their power back from their situation, whatever it was. And now it's like going all over the world inspiring other women to rediscover who they are and take their power back.
Jo:That's so amazing. And to think that it all started with your journey. You know how much has amplified the impact that you've now been able to have, the ripple impact for all those women that you're now helping, on their families and their communities and their workplaces. It's so inspiring to see. So who knows where you go from here? Right, the only way is up Books, book tours, conferences. It's amazing conferences.
Theresa:It's amazing. Well, and here's you know to to kind of bring this back full circle is a lot of times. I think the reason that women mostly women won't invest in themselves is because we feel selfish about it. Right? I remember hearing that over and over and I couldn't really put a voice to it. I remember that feeling I couldn't really connect the dots, though, and I knew I had heard but when you don't do something for yourself, then you're being selfless, and then who can you serve?
Theresa:But I will say this, joe when you stepped into your power, when Dr Val stepped into her power, when I stepped into my power, when anybody else that's watching this steps into our power, it may be a moment of looking inward and pouring into self, but I wouldn't be here without you, and if you just gave credit to the people that I'm impacting because of what I've done, it wouldn't have happened if you didn't do what you did. We're not alone, right, every single one of us, our impact is far reaching. So, to somebody who might be feeling like I can't invest in myself, who on the other continent needs you to step into your power so that they can hear a Facebook infomercial that says that you too can be a blissful bread winner, and it will change the world, absolutely One woman at a time.
Jo:Right, that's what we're here to do. So you know I love what you said. You know we we never know that when we confront our own fears, when we deal with our own demons, the ripple impact that that's going to have and you don't have to be a coach or run your own business for that to happen. These are women who are having impacts in their family and their community and that's why I do what I do is that we get to see what that impact is. So thank you, teresa, for coming and sharing your story.
Jo:I know it's impossible to walk away from this conversation not being inspired and I love that. You know you have been so generous with your sort of continual. You know you kids are Joe. I mentioned you today and I mentioned this. So it's it's not something. It's it's nice to be recognized as a coach. It's not something we ever look for. You know you're the person who's behind the scenes cheering you on, but know that there is an entire community around the world who you've been a part of for a couple of years now, who are always cheering you on. Whether you're working with us in a paid capacity or not, you will always be part of the tribe, and it is so wonderful to see you so. So we are right behind you and cannot wait to see where this goes.
Theresa:Oh, thank you, and I feel that and I so much appreciate it. I do also believe that when somebody makes an impact, they should know. So many times, people do the little things and people don't realize the impact they're making, and so when you get to be part of that, I think it's important to tell somebody hey, you were part of this, like you made me feel good today, or the way that you handled that gave me a new insight or a new thought on life. I think that's important. We're so quick to point out the negative or the challenging things, but so many times we hold back, and maybe that was part of what I needed to learn from that shield experiment. Right Is is to be generous with sharing the love, because people need to know they can be seen, they also want to be valued and they want to be heard. So I am incredibly grateful and will always mention your name because of the amazing impact that you made.
Jo:Yeah, thank you, Teresa, and we'll be mentioning your name too if people want to learn more about your journey. The Unbreakable if they're anywhere near Texas, because we have listeners from all over the world tell us where people can find you.
Theresa:Sure, well, definitely on social. I'm really more of a Facebook than an Instagram, although I'm getting better at that, but TeresaPoorcom is a great place to start. You'll learn about Unbreakable. You'll learn about Unbreakable business, unbreakable families and all of the fun things. And, yeah, I would love to stay connected.
Jo:Well, there you go. You heard it from her, the woman herself. Go check it out. If you're anywhere in person, I'm sure it won't be long before she's got global tours happening all around the world and we'll be there cheering you on in whatever convention you need to be in. So, as you can tell from hearing Teresa's story, she's incredibly articulate, she's incredibly generous with her stories, with her vulnerability and even with paying it forward. So please do go check her out. Teresa, thank you so much for joining us today. I knew this would be fun, but you've blown my mind as to how far you've come and how much you've evolved.
Theresa:Thank you.
Jo:Thanks for joining us today on the Balance and Beyond podcast. We're so glad you carved out this time for yourself. If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend who might need to hear this today and, if you're feeling extra generous, leaving us a review on your podcast platform of choice would mean the world to us. If you're keen to dive deeper into our world, visit balanceinstitutecom to discover more about the toolkit that has helped thousands of women avoid burnout and create a life of balance and beyond. Thanks again for tuning in and we'll see you next time on the Balance and Beyond podcast.
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