Have you ever found yourself at a crossroads, wondering how a simple decision could send ripples through your entire life? I was there once, and the question posed by my coach not only challenged me but also sparked a profound realization about the patterns shaping my destiny. In this conversation, Pam Cass and I, dissect the Law of Unintended Consequences. We share our insights and stories, shedding light on the significance of each choice we make and the patterns they weave in the tapestry of our lives. Our discussion highlights the need for intentionality in decision-making and how, by anticipating the ripple effects, we can guide our clients—and ourselves—toward a more deliberate and fulfilling path.
Venturing further, we reveal the transformative power of our Annual Think Weeks, a practice influenced by none other than Bill Gates and eagerly adopted by Pam. These weeks have not only fueled our personal and professional growth but have also acted as a crucible for innovation and collaboration, birthing this podcast among other creative ventures. They've even led to serendipitous, life-altering encounters. We also explore the ADKAR model's efficacy in mitigating the fallout of unforeseen outcomes and emphasize the virtue of patience and a long-term vision in any new undertaking. Whether we're launching a podcast or developing training programs for new real estate agents, we underscore the importance of foresight and the wisdom in seeking sustained success over instant gratification.
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Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for general informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. The co-hosts of this podcast are not medical professionals. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast. Reliance on any information provided by the podcast hosts or guests is solely at your own risk.
Have you ever found yourself at a crossroads, wondering how a simple decision could send ripples through your entire life? I was there once, and the question posed by my coach not only challenged me but also sparked a profound realization about the patterns shaping my destiny. In this conversation, Pam Cass and I, dissect the Law of Unintended Consequences. We share our insights and stories, shedding light on the significance of each choice we make and the patterns they weave in the tapestry of our lives. Our discussion highlights the need for intentionality in decision-making and how, by anticipating the ripple effects, we can guide our clients—and ourselves—toward a more deliberate and fulfilling path.
Venturing further, we reveal the transformative power of our Annual Think Weeks, a practice influenced by none other than Bill Gates and eagerly adopted by Pam. These weeks have not only fueled our personal and professional growth but have also acted as a crucible for innovation and collaboration, birthing this podcast among other creative ventures. They've even led to serendipitous, life-altering encounters. We also explore the ADKAR model's efficacy in mitigating the fallout of unforeseen outcomes and emphasize the virtue of patience and a long-term vision in any new undertaking. Whether we're launching a podcast or developing training programs for new real estate agents, we underscore the importance of foresight and the wisdom in seeking sustained success over instant gratification.
Don't forget to listen and follow on your favorite streaming platform and on Facebook. Subscribe on Your Favorite Platform: https://reigniteresilience.buzzsprout.com Follow Us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/reigniteresilience
Disclaimer: The information provided in this podcast is for general informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. The co-hosts of this podcast are not medical professionals. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified health provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have heard on this podcast. Reliance on any information provided by the podcast hosts or guests is solely at your own risk.
Speaker 1:
In the grand theater of life. We all seek a comeback, a resurgence, a rekindling of our inner fire. But how do we spark that flame? Welcome to Reignite Resilience. This is not just another podcast. This is a journey, a venture into the heart of human spirit, the power of resilience and the art of reigniting our passions.
Speaker 2:
Welcome back to another episode of Reignite Resilience. I am your co-host, natalie Davis, and I am joined by Pam Cass. Hey, pam, hello Natalie, excited to be here.
Speaker 1:
Oh my gosh, I know, I know We've had a lot of alone time the last couple of weeks but we go through these periods where it's like we don't see each other for a week because we're both busy doing stuff.
Speaker 2:
Yes, and then we have a week and we're like we go like bam, bam, bam, bam, and then I get to see you and then I won't see you for the rest of the week, but I don't see you enough because I still have your daughter's the part of your daughter's baby gift that's sitting in my living room and I still have a book that I got for you that's sitting on my desk, so and there's that, and then there's that. You guys, life is life. That's what we do, life is life.
Speaker 1:
We get busy and then things happen.
Speaker 2:
Well, I am so excited we have a new topic to share with our listeners today, one that came about just again. We come across things, we hear conversations, we have conversations and we just like send these messages back and forth. We're like we should talk about this, we need to talk about this and this. So today's topic was one of those. It came to me in passing and I thought this is something we could dive into, because not only have we experienced it, we witness it, we help coach our clients through it, and it's the law of unintended consequences.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I love this. And when you sent this off to me and I read the blog post about it, I actually listened to it and I was like, oh, I didn't even think about that as a thing. And then I kind of started to think about, okay, where has this played a part in my life? So I'm super excited to dig into this.
Speaker 2:
Oh my gosh. Well, and here's the thing I think, as we progress through life, I don't know how many laws there actually are. I feel like we should probably do that research because we've we both have, independently and together, taken a deep dive into quite a few of them and there, but I, I'm, I think that, like when we start to uncover and discover more, it's so powerful. One that I referenced to all the time is the law of reciprocity, and so right that I think that pops up all the time.
Speaker 1:
That one's huge. And the law of value, I think, is another one.
Speaker 2:
The law of value yes, daily basis, talk about that as well. But the law of unintended consequences? I think, as we talk about it, like first of all, like just looking at it, it's when we make a decision or take an action, it's the outcome or results that subsequently come after that Right, and so both positive and negative. Yeah, there are three key areas or three key results that can come out of that law of unintended consequences and we can dive into it. But what really like sent me into a little bit of a spiral or an exploration stage was realizing that we make so many decisions along the way and and we've had on prior episodes are we focusing on the, the choice itself or on the outcome that we're wanting? But we make these decisions and then other things begin to unfold as a result of that decisions and then other things begin to unfold as a result of that.
Speaker 2:
But we don't think about that, right, we don't go back to that initial driver or the interaction or the decision that prompted all of those subsequent results to take place?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely, and it's interesting because it just made me think of Michelle, who was one of our guests, who's the decision engineer, and this is what she helped companies do. She goes in and helps them make tough decisions that they need to make, and I'm assuming that part of that process is going through to figure out what are the unintended benefits and the unintended drawbacks of these decisions, because I think that's what we don't think about, and it actually makes me think about all the shows that have been out there where they're like oh, don't wish that you weren't born, because if you, or don't wish that that didn't happen, because all of this, everything would have untangled, and it's like it's totally true, though.
Speaker 2:
It's so true, it's so true, it's like the ripple effect of it.
Speaker 1:
Absolutely. And I've thought about decisions that I've made. I'm like, oh, I wish I hadn't made that decision. But then I'm like, oh, but then I wouldn't have gotten this, this and this that were great. And yeah, this, this and this happened which weren't great, but I think what was the benefits were outweighed the negatives A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I think in most cases, if we, if we're truly being intentional in terms of the decision that we're making, I think in most cases it typically the the the pros typically outweigh the cons. So I think that goes a little bit deeper in terms of looking at the space that you're in when you're taking the action or making a decision, and then not that you need to constantly evaluate who all is going to be impacted by it, but to some degree, like if you don't think about it or even recognize that that's a thing it could ripple a lot further than you ever anticipated.
Speaker 1:
Yes, absolutely. And you know, I had an incident happen and I was going to make a decision and I was coaching and I talked through it and my coach asked me the question do you see any patterns in your life? When X happens, you make this decision. Yeah, and I wonder if it wouldn't be beneficial for some sort of a pattern interrupt, because what was happening was something would happen, I would make this decision, and then it would happen again and I would make this decision. And so there was this pattern there of making decisions that weren't the best, and a lot of it was because I was coming from a place of emotion rather than a place of logically think through which is good or bad, because sometimes, when I sit down and try to think through stuff, I'm like oh no that's just scary.
Speaker 1:
That is way too much time with myself. You know the negative stuff that could happen and then maybe I wouldn't make that decision. So sometimes you have to take a leap of faith.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, absolutely Well, the pattern piece. I've actually had this conversation a couple of times this week with people that are close to me. I like to call those lessons from the universe and I'm like, well, you can learn the lesson now, or it's going to make its way right back around and you'll get to figure it out then. I like to make light of it, but that's the reality, right, like those are, that's what I consider those patterns. It's like, thank you, universe, I'll either learn about it now or I'll grow through it again.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and I say that through it again. That's what I say to myself all the time now, because things will happen. And I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that. And then the universe gives me another sign. I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that. And then the universe gives me another sign. I'm like, no, not yet. Yes, and then it gives me the sign where it's basically pushing me off the edge, saying, well, well, if you're not going to make the decision, then we're going to make it for you. I will, by the way, push.
Speaker 2:
Thank you for joining us. I guess I have to make the decision now and then you learn how to pull the parachute and it works out right Like it'll hurt and it works out.
Speaker 1:
But sometimes maybe I need to be a little bit better at listening to, uh, the signs and the subtle signs.
Speaker 2:
I listen, I stay in my lane. That's between you and the universe. Um, I will have to stay though, pam. One, one big one that has had a ripple effect. I think it actually comes from you reading Steve Jobs' book and learning about the annual retreats, wasn't it, steve Jobs?
Speaker 1:
No, it's Bill.
Speaker 2:
Gates. Bill Gates, think Weeks, think Weeks, think Weeks, think Weeks, bill Gates. Sorry, sorry, I don't want to give credit where credit's not due. So Bill Gates takes the Think Week. So I think about that. So Pam read the book and then said we should have a think week. And this is years ago, I think five, six years ago.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I don't even remember when our first think week was. We should have we should.
Speaker 2:
Oh my gosh, no, I think it's been seven years, pam. It was definitely 2020. Wow.
Speaker 1:
Okay, it totally was way pre 2020.
Speaker 2:
Yeah. So Pam Pam reads this book and she's like we should have a think week and we had no idea what we were getting into. You talk about the law of unintended consequences. Let's talk about, like, the unintended benefits, because out of that think week, if you guys didn't pick up on it has created subsequent think weeks.
Speaker 2:
So we have a think week every year. It is guaranteed. It is probably the first trip that I put on my schedule when I do my planning for the upcoming year. Every year we figure out I mean obviously because we need to sync our calendars, but we figure out what week is open for both of us that we don't have other life events that are taking place, and then we schedule time away. And it has occurred in the first quarter. It's taken place in the second quarter, it's taken place in the third quarter. I think that's as late as we've gone, but we haven't gone as far as Q4. But one thing is consistent is that we truly utilize that think week as an opportunity for us to get away from the busyness of life and create something new, and we have created some amazing things during those.
Speaker 1:
We have created some amazing things and including this podcast which has become something that fills my cup. Every time we get on a call, every time we meet some new incredible person, oh my gosh, that has an amazing story. I mean, I think that's what's been the biggest. For me is like we're meeting people from across the world. They may live in the States now, but they're from across the world and, wow, people have amazing stories.
Speaker 2:
So yeah, so amazing.
Speaker 1:
I mean we have created content, we've created training, we've done you name it, we've done it and you know, we've got our think week coming up in June and I just actually had a voicemail left while we were talking from the resort confirming, so I need to call them back. And so it's. I'm always like I get so excited about okay, what are we going to? What amazing things are we going to do this this year? And I don't think either of us realized that that Think Week was going to be something that stuck.
Speaker 2:
Definitely not, definitely not. I know for a fact. Like going into the Think Week, initially I'm like, okay, well, we're doing and it's always been an adventure Like we don't do Think Week at home. So let's just be clear, it's out of the country, out of the country, so we leave the country. And so in my mind, like full transparency, pam's like let's do this think week. I'm like, okay, we'll do a little business planning here and there.
Speaker 2:
Um, then that turned into oh no, no, you're now writing an entire training manual and I love it. I absolutely enjoyed the experience. But my the um, the idea or concept that I had in my mind was we'll take a week to go to wherever we're going to travel to. Um, we'll do a little work, we'll do a little play and do a little bit more play, and then we'll call it think week, and I think that's what people think we do. Um, truly like convert our room to a whole, like I think you could call it a think tank where every wall is covered in a post-it note or a flip chart and there are books everywhere, there are markers and highlighters and we have YouTube videos that are playing in the background. You name it and the juices are flowing.
Speaker 1:
Yes, yeah, and I love and I love it. I mean, it's my favorite time and I think when you and I are together, being able to throw ideas off of each other, we like feed off of each other. And that's what's so fun A hundred percent. We should create something where people could come and experience our Think Week.
Speaker 2:
Listen, we could facilitate Think Weeks for people.
Speaker 1:
Let's speak that into existence. If you would like us to facilitate a Think Week for your leadership team, yes, reach out to Natalie and I. We've been doing it for close to a decade. Yeah, we'd be happy to. You know, take you through it, you just have to bring us along. That's so wild.
Speaker 2:
That's so wild to think that we've been doing it for almost 10 years. That just blows my mind. It's crazy. That just blows my mind, which I absolutely love it. But, pam, you touched on some of the unintended benefits of it, right, like we've had fabulous content, personal growth, I mean we. I always walk away from that, expanding like just my knowledge, my understanding of things, the way that I look at life. I definitely go into the Think Week with like a growth mindset because we like no idea is a bad idea, everything ends up on the wall. And then we like get this focus in on one thing, because we do try to solve all of the world's problems.
Speaker 1:
We're really trying to solve the world's problems in a week, in one week, on our trip.
Speaker 2:
Not done it yet. So we pick one thing and then we build out on that one thing, and I mean this podcast that you shared as an example, the benefits, some of the guests that we've had on our podcast. I don't think that our paths theirs and mine I don't think our paths would have crossed in a million years. And we've had an opportunity to visit with individuals and I know that we share a lot in terms of the episodes for those individuals, but we also get to see the behind the scenes with those folks and there are additional personal stories that are shared with Pam and I before we hit record on those episodes. And so to have, like I feel like we have some really solid relationships with individuals across the world, like you said, the fabulous listener base oh my gosh, that was not something that I thought about when we thought about creating the podcast. I didn't think about the impact that the podcast would have on the listeners. Yes, we just wanted to deliver value.
Speaker 1:
Yeah yeah. And I think that that one um, it reconnected with me, with my aunt that I have spoken to in 14 years. Yes and um, my dad and mom are, of course, avid fans, and so they listen to my podcast on walks and it's and it's funny. I always because they walk by the front of my house and they're laughing as they're listening.
Speaker 2:
Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1:
Or they're crying. I've seen them cry too on those and my dad told his sister he's like you need to listen to this podcast, and she started listening to it and has become my Aunt. Terry has become a big fan and so it's connecting me with family. My brother become a big fan, and so it's connecting me with family, my brother's a big fan.
Speaker 1:
My brother has actually introduced us to some of the guests that we've had on here, and some of our guests have introduced people, some of our coaching clients. It's become this, exactly what I had wished this to become. It's become a community, a community Of people that are going through stuff. Yeah, and it's just been amazing, yeah.
Speaker 2:
But have we gone into that think week and the pitch that you have or the idea that you have, that would have hit the wall, say, hey, we should start a community? I would have said absolutely not. There's no way, I got no time for that, there are no way can we do that. But I knew that I was, like, destined to be a queen or a princess or something. So it makes sense. Yeah, exactly. But so one of the other things, though, or like, sometimes, the unintended drawbacks, like some of those negative things and not that they're negative I think I see these as opportunities, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:
Unattended opportunities.
Speaker 2:
If we look at the podcast as an example and we're using the podcast as an example I think you can insert any company, organization, your household, like any decision that you make that impacts yourself and other people. But some of the drawbacks, like we went into this blindly. Pam and I don't have podcasting experience, so when we decided that we committed to creating this community with the podcast, there was a huge, sharp learning curve.
Speaker 1:
Huge On everything. Yeah, Every everything.
Speaker 2:
Yes, we you talk about, like I mean the planning piece of it, and Pam and I run two separate business. I'm sorry, pam and I run multiple separate businesses.
Speaker 1:
I was going to say two.
Speaker 2:
I'm like what Only two Exactly Multiple separate businesses outside of the podcast. So the podcast is one where we have to come together and we have taken those opportunities to put systems and processes in place, but we didn't know because we didn't. You don't know what you don't know. Once you've started down a path or once you've made a decision, you've got to figure things out as you're building it. But I've learned more about sound and editing and audio than I ever thought that I would. I am in no way, shape or form an audio engineer and we have Joel that does that. Thank you, we appreciate you. So that's a big piece of it. But these are things. Did we have resources? Do we have the tools? And we could have used those drawbacks as an opportunity to say we might have made the wrong decision.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and what is the statistic for? I don't. I think it's 30 episodes. Usually people make it to 30 episodes and then they quit. Yeah, and I think one of the other drawbacks I don't think either of us realize the amount of time that we would need to dedicate to this. Not only it's, you know, finding guests, it's coming up with the material, it's prepping for the material and for the sessions, just all of that stuff. I mean it's a ton. And to commit to twice a week, yeah, that's a huge commitment when we have 15 jobs. It's a huge commitment when we have 15 jobs. Yes, so it's like it's, but it's been, it's been worth it. It was one of those, those unintended opportunities that has been fully worth it to me, because I've learned, I've grown, I've got, I've. I've learned so much about myself, I've learned so much about other people.
Speaker 1:
Everybody knows everything about us now.
Speaker 2:
Exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:
I've gained friends that I don't even know, because they know everything about me. Oh, absolutely, I love, I absolutely love when people come up to me and say, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry about your dog, oh my gosh, and it resonated with me and I'm like what? Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:
Yes, the podcast. I think recently, just last week, I was in a couple of meetings and someone said, oh, in a meeting in passing, like oh, yeah, you talked about that on your podcast. I was like oh, wow, and Pam talks about like the planning and everything that goes into it. And you're absolutely right. I think that there have been many of weeks where in the middle of the night, like I get up and text her, or she texts me first thing in the morning like wait, what are we talking about this week? What are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 1:
what's my name? What's my name? Well, and I, and it's it's so funny because the universe always brings us a topic. Yes, you know, the last topic we talked about, which was major events that have happened Right, that have significantly impacted us, you know, worldwide and personally. Yeah, and that came from a coaching call and this one came from you happening to come across this blog post.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, blog post. Absolutely to come across this blog post.
Speaker 1:
And it's just. I think the universe puts in our lap the things that we need to talk about, because it must be something that's on somebody's mind, because I feel like every time we've had an episode, somebody has said I needed to hear that, yes, and I think that that's what fuels me to keep going with this, absolutely.
Speaker 2:
Absolutely.
Speaker 1:
There's one other unintended consequence, which is the one where you make a decision in the hopes to improve something but, inversely, it doesn't improve, it actually makes it worse, right, and so I don't know if I've ever experienced that I guess I didn't put much thought into personally, but I know of companies who have done that where they did something that they thought it was to make something better and it in turn made it actually worse and ended up being the demise Absolutely.
Speaker 2:
Well and I think this is something that should be on the radar for any leader or individual that's making a decision is knowing that you can have the opposite result occur and it may not be immediate, it could be down the road and I think it's important, like if you're going through any type of large organizational change, if you're going through like a cultural change, if you're doing like core values assessment which I've taken a handful of companies through over the last couple of months really like making that a priority, putting that as a focus when you start to go through these things. One thing that I always go into companies with is making sure that you can't just go in and say you know, here's the thing we're going to do Like a culture change, or we're going to create a new mission statement or we're going to whatever it may be, and then just hope and pray that everybody embraces it and adopts it. And so one and this is just a tip and companies that have heard me and that you've had me come out ADCAR is one of the models that I like to introduce in terms of like addressing change, Because when we talk about the law of unintended consequences, if you have that perverse effect, where it's going the opposite direction. You probably missed a step.
Speaker 2:
And so ADCAR, just so everyone knows, it's making sure that you have awareness, that you create that desire, that there's knowledge so that people can start to adopt and adapt to the change, and actually making sure that the ability for the change to happen and then the reinforcement, right Like it's, the accountability it's building in. You know, it's just not the flavor of the week Like this is truly who we are. So if you don't have a way of like, introducing the change or even a big decision that's been made to a group, to an organization, to a company, for yourself, ADCAR is a great model. That's what I always go back to. It's kind of by default, Like if you just land back on that like, create that awareness, make sure that the desire is built in throughout that you're giving everyone the tool that they need so they have the knowledge and the ability, which is like the skillset, and then build in the reinforcement which comes from, you know, like accountability.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, making sure you check. I think what we see is is companies that make a change oh, nope, let's make another change, nope, let's make it. And so then, like you said, it becomes the flavor of the week. But there was really no intentionality about the change that was going to be made, and when there's no intention about it and you don't have buy-in from the key players, that's a recipe for disaster. You will definitely have what you intended to be positive end up being something negative, and so it just. It takes forethought and time. It should not be something that's just like. You know, what we should do is that you and I, when we started this journey for the podcast, it was months before we did our first one. When we've we created that training program for new agents, it was, it was years.
Speaker 2:
Yes, that was it. That was a multi year, multi think week project.
Speaker 1:
Yes, so you've got. You know we wanted, we wanted to have some sort of a training program for new real estate agents, because we felt like you've got these great trainings for people that have been in the business but not new, and so it took all of our knowledge and experience from being in leadership and from selling and from years past, and we created this. But we're talking two years and we put it through the smell test. Maybe we should change that. We probably need to tweak that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, absolutely, it's got to be with intention, and it makes me think of Simon Sinek's book, the Infinite Game, and I think that one talks in there about how you implement change as well, and that we're here for the long game, not to win, because there's always going to be winners and losers. You're going to be winners and losers. You're going to be a winner one month, a quarter, and then not the next. That's it. It's about the long game. It's about being there for a long time, and most companies don't do that and they end up disappearing and they're like oh, do you remember when such and such used to be there? Yes, aka Blockbuster, yes.
Speaker 2:
Exactly, absolutely. Aka blockbuster yes, exactly, absolutely, let's just change it. Well, and even if you go back to an older book I think it's older, early nineties who moved my cheese right, that book that when you're talking about introducing something new, implementing something new, when you start to go down that path, people like we, creatures of comfort, like we like what we like, and that's it for the most part. So, knowing that if you are, as a collective, making a decision that you believe is for the greater good and it's not Pam you and I could have very easily have just gone into that If you said you know what we should start as a community and done it in reverse order. And so we just work to kind of bring people together, because who knows why they just need to join us, because why wouldn't they want to? Instead, it was let us deliver something of value and then the community community can organically build and grow itself from there.
Speaker 2:
That's a significantly different piece. So I think, had we gone the opposite direction, we could have had that perverse effect Like why no, I don't want to give you any of my information and I don't even know who you are. Yeah, who are you?
Speaker 1:
Why would I trust you? Now it's like, oh yeah, we trust them because we know everything about them. We know all about them Exactly All the things where all the skeletons are hidden.
Speaker 2:
Exactly. Oh, don't you worry, you guys keep listening. There are a ton more, there's lots more. You guys have no idea.
Speaker 1:
We're like. We're like a couple of onions there's a lot of layers and layers.
Speaker 2:
Absolutely. Well, I think, going back to the law of unintended consequences, like those three key areas, I think it can also apply to like parenting. Um, Because I think about that with like the things that you do. Let's just say, when you discipline your kids and the punishment is you know what? You don't get to watch television I know I did that with one of my kids you don't get to watch television for the afternoon or whatever that may be. Well, guess what? They're not watching television. So they got to do something and guess who they're going to look to for that Mom, mom, mom mom, mom, mom, mom mom.
Speaker 2:
So it applies to business and applies to personal life. It's, it's there, but just being aware of it and giving yourself a little bit of space to kind of process through before you dive into those bigger decisions that you're making for yourself or for others.
Speaker 1:
Just don't allow the fear of, you know, possible opportunities we won't call them negatives, but opportunities to prevent you from starting a podcast or doing something, something. So you just, I think, have to weigh the difference between the positive benefits and what potential opportunities there could be or issues there could be. Because I think, I mean, what if we had said, you know, I don't know how to do that, what about the sound? I don't have a microphone? I mean, we could have very easily said you know, I think this is too hard.
Speaker 1:
It's too hard, we would fail Only 30, you know people end after 30 episodes. That's just seems hard, yeah. So, and we didn't. We leaned into it and I'm so grateful we did. And just don't, don't overthink it so much that you don't make a decision.
Speaker 2:
Don't take the action Exactly, Exactly, yeah, absolutely. I mean there's this, for example for us is one of those things that you do in life that takes your time, talent and your treasure right, Like all of them. And so, again, if we didn't see those opportunities, or look at them as opportunities versus drawbacks, I think it would have just been a matter of time before one of us pulled the plug and said absolutely not.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, but it was an opportunity, yeah, opportunity. So, and you and I are, always about leaning into opportunities.
Speaker 2:
We like the. We like the challenging things, the bumpy path.
Speaker 1:
We don't like the smooth path. That's so not fun.
Speaker 2:
Oh my gosh. We've discovered so many unique plants that grow on this path that we've taken Plants, pebbles, pebbles, maybe some weeds all kinds of things and some sometimes pile piles of stuff that you've got to have the manure. How else is something, how else are things supposed to grow?
Speaker 1:
Exactly, but it's uh, we're having a little bit of fun doing it. If you haven't noticed, we love it.
Speaker 2:
I would not change absolutely anything about it. It has been great, but as has this topic, so thank you. Yeah, thanks, you brought it.
Speaker 1:
So thank you for this and next week. And, yeah, thanks guys for tuning in and listening. Yeah, if there's topics you want us to unpack a little bit or hear our assessment of it, you know, let us know, reach out to us, drop it in our Facebook page. We would love to hear it. So absolutely.
Speaker 2:
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