The Champion Within
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Ep.19 Ellice De Giovanni: Brain & Body...Movement, Balance & Functional Neurology
Have you ever considered the intricate ballet between your brain and body? Today, we're joined by the incredible Ellice De Giovanni, former hurdler and paramedic, who now lights up the world of functional neurology with her insights into how our neural activity profoundly impacts our physical capabilities. Ellice draws a vivid picture of the brain's role in movement and balance, helping us understand that a lack of neural stimulation can lead to the physical limitations we experience. She guides us through the process of enhancing our brain-body connection with varied movement patterns, illustrating how this can not only boost our balance but also fine-tune our interaction with the world, thereby refining our life's performance.
Diving deeper, Ellice shows us the power of simple yet strategic exercises in preventing injuries and enhancing the brain's ability to predict movement. Delving into the topic of neural memory, she debunks common misconceptions about muscle memory and shares how this understanding is revolutionizing approaches to chronic pain and brain injury rehabilitation. Her infectious enthusiasm extends beyond the physical, as she emphasizes the importance of holistic health in our emotional and mental well-being. Whether you're looking to elevate your physical health or gain educational insights on movement therapy, Ellice's expertise and energy will certainly move you to a more enlightened state of living.
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Hi there and welcome back to the Champion Within where we speak with people with fascinating and inspiring stories. I'm Jason Augusta and recently I spoke to Alex Bradfield, the author of the book Energy for Life, in a previous episode, and one of those chapters in this book was by Elise Di Giovanni from the Gold Coast in Queensland, all about postural movement and mobility. Elise is a former hurdler on the track and a paramedic who has gone on to teach mobility and movement control, focusing on neural input. Here is Elise Di Giovanni. Hey, elise, thank you so much for coming on the show. I really appreciate it. I loved your chapter and it was really easy to read, but there's so much in it as far as reminders and I know you've got that background as being a paramedic and past track athlete Is a hurdler, I think.
Speaker 2:Yes, I was a hurdler paramedic, personal trainer, and then now I kind of delge in functional neurology.
Speaker 1:Because Alex, who was who did the book Energy for Life, and she was on this show and I'm going to pull it up quickly.
Speaker 2:She's a superstar. Be like her when, I grow up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I'm not, alex Bradfield. Energy for Life was episode 16, and what you just said then was interesting because my brother read it and he said you know what my take out of that book is? You can just choose to live a certain way, can't you 100%? It's as simple as that.
Speaker 2:She has a great zest for life and she just chooses to be fit and healthy and free, and her mindset and her movements.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly yeah, which we all can, yeah, so what you do for helping people now is sort of movement and exercise regimes, from what I gather.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so most of my stuff is well, it's considered functional neurology, so that's using the body to switch on parts of the brain and understanding what neural connections will actually make the performance of the body switch on a little bit faster. So it's that connection between sort of body and brain.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because a lot of what's out there we're actually only kind of body associated, like we're training, we're exercising, we're doing all the things, but a lot of that is from here, a lot of that is from the brain. So I want to try to educate people about how that connection is a huge thing. Yeah, we need to understand how that master switch is actually firing parts of that body to make them work better. Yes, if the brain is not firing, you're going to have a undesirable output that comes through the body and feeling, tension, tightness or migraines of headaches. So we've got to go to the root cause, I guess.
Speaker 1:This is turning on your sort of motor neuron complex. Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm just sort of switching on certain parts of the brain. So how I kind of describe it is if you were at in someone else's home and that home had all the lights off and you couldn't see anything. You're going to walk around pretty cautious because you're not going to know where the hell you're going.
Speaker 2:You're going to slow up your movement patterns. You're going to be quite stressed that you're going to jump like bounce into something or hit something. So that's similar to the brain when not as many lights are on in the brain. So if our brain's not firing and functioning in many capacities, then it affects the body, it'll slow it up mind, body, soul, basically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So if I even turn a candle on, I'm going to be able to see a little bit more and have a little bit more confidence and I'm going to move around that house with a little bit more confidence. If I turn all the lights on in that house, I'm going to move around with so much confidence and know where everything is. So what I try and teach is the more you light up the brain, the more areas of the brain are functioning well. Your human performance, so your movement, your mindset, your belief system, everything is going to function better the more brain lights are.
Speaker 1:First thing I think of is balance.
Speaker 2:Balance is a massive, massive one for human beings.
Speaker 1:Isn't it?
Speaker 2:That's what the brain considers one of the hierarchies One of the biggest causes of the brain is to have exceptional balance, and if we don't have good balance, the brain will naturally slow up the body by tightening up the joint structures.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it becomes more guarded.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:Like you said, walking around in the dark you're a bit more guarded. Yeah, I get it More cautious.
Speaker 2:You'll turn slower, you'll seize up. Your joints will literally get tighter. You'll feel stifled, because that's how the brain is keeping you safe from falling over.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you're teaching people to move in certain patterns, or different patterns from what they're probably used to doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm trying to light up more areas of the brain using movement patterns that probably haven't done in the past, and also with the brain. You've got certain sort of maps and files in the brain and if the brain doesn't have a good mapping system of how you move, then the predictability goes down as well of that your brain's kind of threat response to the situation. So the more that you can move in a variety of different ways, the more you actually open up your mapping system to your brain.
Speaker 2:And then you'll have a better understanding of the world around you. Yeah, Because we don't just walk very sort of up and down. We actually might fall over and we need to understand how to do that.
Speaker 1:Right. So it's like we develop a certain scope of movement with just what we do day to day, and what you're teaching is break out of that, extend your range and rotation, and that has you have to switch on your brain to be able to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we want to move in more ways, more environments, more often, sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And just doing the same thing we always do. So have a look at you know, if you just wake up, go for a walk, go to work, come home, and that's your brain just only mapping that one little, you know key to the point, that's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So all away from that map, all away from that, outside of that little thing that you're doing, it feels kind of gray. It doesn't understand the situation so that if you do go rock climbing one weekend and you haven't done it in forever, your brain's going to go holy crap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's dangerous. Here's an injury or here's a niggle, because I don't understand this. Yeah, okay, so it's what you're doing in teaching people different movement patterns related to age is the majority of it older people.
Speaker 2:Honestly, who are?
Speaker 1:stuck in their way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, simply, I mean, let's just fast. Human beings are stuck in their ways. Yeah, human beings From very young to very old. So it's, it is for everyone. If you have a brain, this kind of brain changing movement is for you, because we do have to just start to widen our scope of practice a little bit. We're taught to be put in a box in a lot of situations.
Speaker 1:Like you know, break open the box.
Speaker 2:What else is out there, yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So the first one of the things I think of with this and reading up on the bit of the neural stuff is how dance is so good. It's one of the best things you can do, yeah absolutely. Anyone, especially as we get older, like you know, like I'm in my mid fifties and I've got to keep changing things, it seems to be really mobile and active and stimulated, yeah, but dance seems to be the one thing that keeps, you know, popping up all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, dancing is amazing because a few reasons for the brain. Obviously, you're moving your joints in different ranges of motion that you would probably do walking or sitting or squatting, yeah, so there's that bigger capacity of the joint to push into its full range of motion than just up and down. And two, the rhythm aspect of things. So they've done a lot of stays in Parkinson's disease and in brain health. That actual rhythm, so the tone of the music, and you're moving to the tone, switches on more lights in the brain. So in one of those areas is called your cerebellum. So your cerebellum deals with balance, accuracy and coordination and it is the seat of your emotions as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So activating your cerebellum through physical activity. It's also lighting up the pathways that deal with your emotions as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2:It kind of integrates all incoming information as you are as a human being. So if you're dancing, you're activating your cerebellum. You're going to feel great.
Speaker 1:What are you teaching people?
Speaker 2:So I teach people a lot about that mapping system. So brain maps and if you think of maps, maps is moving all parts safely.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, nice one.
Speaker 2:You think of. You know, like your knee joint, for an instance, your knee kind of is a hinge joint. It goes up and down like a door, it opens like a door but it actually does a lot more range of motion than that. But we stick to that range of motion. So maybe we stick to running, squatting and cycling and that's our main form of movement through the knees. But injuries occur is probably never going to be in that range of motion. It's going to be when you kick the ball and your knees go on into a strange little twist or internal, external rotation, because your brain doesn't understand that map. You should play with that map. So I teach people to work their joints in full capacity, full range of motion. And how we do that is just through just really simple and easy movement, but mapping it differently than they've done in the past Right.
Speaker 1:I saw that in your chapter that contributed to Energy for Life book that there's a few diagrams that have really basic exercises of just swiveling your hips and limbs. Is it that simple? And getting people to do it in a controlled, symmetrical way?
Speaker 2:It honestly, is that simple?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The point you consider is anything that circles or figure of eights as a complex movement pattern. So if you look at your elbow and you move it up and down, that's not complex to your brain. But if you start circling it, yeah, it's slightly more. Yeah, new neural inputs and different capacity for that cerebellum to pick up and then it switches on more lights, but it also is going to map that region better as well.
Speaker 1:Mm, one of the things I'm thinking of while we're speaking is injuries, which you mentioned. If we can teach people to tolerate different ranges or different sort of pathways of movement, do you think that can prevent injury? So there is greater tolerance.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because your brain just works off predictability. So, you know what it knows. And I would say if you move it, you lose it in the brain, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So if you like the knee thing, if you're only moving up and down the knee and then you kick the ball and you twist it and the injury comes into play. In urology we look at that like the brain's considered that as a threat response because you've you know a way that your brain can't predict the outcome, because you've never done it in the past. And brain go off. What's happened in the past? They would go off.
Speaker 2:Happening. So by moving that joint in its unique and full range of motion up and down, in and outside, to side, internal, external rotation, you're growing your brain's perception and you're growing your brain's predictability around the movement pattern so that the next time you do a twist it goes oh, hang on a second. I've done this before. This is fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, and injuries there's a bit of tolerance there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, way less yeah.
Speaker 1:So you just reminded me there's a well known saying about I must you've got to develop muscle memory from your patenting, and that it's actually neural memory, which is what you're talking about. It's actually sort of retraining that neural pathway and, as you said, this is a rebelling. So you can yeah? I suppose, yeah, I mean your brain definitely loves adaptability.
Speaker 2:So it takes around 2000 reps for your brain to kind of even consider that we're onto something. So it's that time taken to kind of do the behavioral change and the pattern and that sort of thing is amazing. But yes, it's about switching on the lights, because in my class I can get someone who maybe goes down to touch their toes and is at their shin and then we do maybe a little foot stretch and then they're touching the floor. So it's got nothing to actually do with the stretching component or stretching out their hamstrings or doing anything like that. What I've done is I've used areas of the brain to switch on more areas of the I'm sorry, used areas in the body to switch on more areas in the brain.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:To get Right Instance yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This is so. This is so relatable to so many things, isn't it? Like you know, the patenting of tennis, or your golf swing or running technique or whatever it might be? It's interesting actually teaching running technique how it is so challenging for some people just to change the Smallest characteristic of their running. It's amazing. And then the next person, it's done in like two minutes of coaching.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's, it's their brain, because a lot of people think that you know strength comes from muscles. Yes, it does, but it also comes from. It comes from your brain. The brain activates the muscle to give you the strength you know turning on control. Your brain first and foremost. Your patenting of your movement comes from your brain first and foremost. And what's activated and not activated, specifically? Well, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was going to say a lot of it actually comes up or down to that hierarchy. So the brain has. The most important thing in the brain is the information coming in through your vision. So your eyes are like the co-founder of your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Under that is what we're saying before your balance and vestibular is the sort of the managing director. So those two things are out of whack. It doesn't matter how long you try and train a running style or improve something down in the body, those two things run that employee. So they need to know what they're doing so that the body can follow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, that's a good point, because when I do teach the running technique, there's always before and after video and it's when you show them the before and after, when they see the second shot, they can visualize it and they almost do it perfectly and it is next level from their first or second attempt.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They're obviously visualizing it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Imagination and visualization is our key to brain transformation too.
Speaker 1:So in what sort of other areas you apply your teaching to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I deal with chronic pain. I deal with a lot of vestibular issues, so people can get sort of vestibular migraines or pots, meaning that when they sit down and come back up there's sort of that dizziness going on and blood pressure. I deal with anyone who's had brain injuries or caution in the past.
Speaker 1:So is there a lot more of that.
Speaker 2:Oh, there's a lot of that going on. Yeah, there's a lot of that plays havoc in the vestibular system. So people have been knocked out once there's something going on in the vestibular system, which means you're going to have to start practicing more and more and more of activating that vestibular and balance system.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's interesting, isn't?
Speaker 1:it how there's so much more of it. But I mean, there's a lot of talk about head injuries and concussion, which we are going to do an episode with a neurologist on head injuries shortly, but I think it's more. Surely we're talking about it more, but the numbers have always been pretty solid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, massive yeah.
Speaker 1:And again, I'm listening between the lines of what you're saying. What you're doing would have massive contribution to that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you can definitely help post-concussion syndrome or anyone that's had issues with the vestibular. The more you upregulate that, the better they're going to feel. And I like to teach people, because a lot of people who've had concussions or had head trauma or things like that are emotionally going to feel disturbed as well anxiety, depression, all of that. Yeah, Because you can't separate emotion and physical output in the brain because they work in the same processing unit with the same light up. The way you run also lights up components of your emotion that deal with that too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:That's how you get it kind of both ends.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so do you have the sporting fields or any other areas that you can apply all this teaching to?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was lucky enough to work with the New Zealand Warriors last season. They did pretty well. Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:They did better than the season before.
Speaker 2:I don't know if I'm putting all that down to my Of course. Yeah, we did a lot of that hierarchy stuff with them, a lot of the balance, a lot of the vision work, because that's not really trained, we don't see it coming through. In sport, we look at Our movement's only 9% coming into the brain, whereas our vision, our balance are 90%. Yeah. So, like that light thing, when you have more light switched on in your home, you're going to perform better. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so can I ask you to do the rugby?
Speaker 2:guys grasp this whole hardly, did they I loved it Because they also showed them really easy and quick hacks that they can do to instantly get stronger, instantly get more energy. So they were like oh so if I just do this I can get stronger in my hamstrings. I'm like yep.
Speaker 1:Perfect, perfect, perfect. Hey, speaking to you now, I can see your fascination with all of this. So what has driven you down this pathway?
Speaker 2:I guess I was. I'm a type of person that questions everything. I have such inquisitive nature.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So to me, I will never just accept that's the one way of a situation. I'm going to be like, okay, that's a great way, but I'm sure there's other ways. So I guess, coming from that background of personal training and paramedics, I knew and understood the anatomy and physiology of the human body very well. As an athlete I knew how to move very well. But I also sat down one day and went well, that all comes from my brain. I need to know more about that. So then I studied into neurology and kind of learned more about the brain and opened up that aspect. But then even then it wasn't enough, because I'm like okay, let's look at how. For an example, I'm like let's look at how my foot moves and works and I'm like, well, if I've got an injury in my foot, it could be from anything like no system in the body works alone. It's not just my foot. There's bones in there, there's ligaments in there, there's tendons in there, there's blood flow going to there, there's lymphatic flow coming out of there, there's mobility issues.
Speaker 1:There's brain inflammation.
Speaker 2:There's nerves and neurons. I'm like I need to know all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like an umbrella, right how I can describe that. If I've got a little piece of newspaper over my head when it's pouring with rain, it might be a little bit effective. But that's like, maybe I just look after my foot through mobility if it's sore, sure, I look after the lymphatic and the flow and the circulation and the neuron input and all of these components. Then I've got a full umbrella over the top of my head. It's like that overarching kind of information. Yes, so that's all that. You've got to look at everything and that's kind of how my brain works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you've just delved deeply one layer into the next from your background.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's the passion for it. Get me to the core of stuff.
Speaker 1:Yes, exactly. It's interesting when you talk about the foot side of things, because we know that there are such simple little exercises to turn on muscular control that change people completely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's so much evidence there, not just the practicalities of it yeah, it's amazing and your brain have the most extraordinary relationship because, as far as input.
Speaker 1:Well, it holds so much real estate in your body, yeah, so that's it Something to your feet and you can change your entire body and have you sort of related this in any way to sleeping and sort of people? I suppose people's general lifestyle is a big thing with all of this. You know the way we think and the way we turn on our brain and what we're good at with our movements.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you know, obviously, sleep is well spoken about, well written up on it. So have you delved down that pathway as well?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when you sleep, I can give you every little bit of information about health and wellness. You know, do this, do that, do this. But if you're not sleeping, then it's not going to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because when you sleep, if you imagine a powerboard in front of you with all the plugs charged into it, when you sleep your brain takes out all of those plugs and just relaxes the kind of synapses and the yeah actions and gives it a rest for a minute so that when you can wake up it can kind of go back into powering up again.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:So a lot of the time people's brains aren't actually getting that relaxation, I guess, or that power down.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:They're staying powered up. So then we have a role on effect to the next day of just this frazzled kind of central nervous system and this body. That's just completely too charged up too yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sleep is just massive in the human Maybe you just reminded me, talking about the light, when you said walk into a room and the light's not great, or whatever of how we know that the morning light, like on waking if you see the solar rays at the low angle, that light is so stimulatory for your brain and cortisol release and the people who allow that to happen have been shown to actually basically wake up more lively, be more mobile. They're the ones, like probably you and I, getting up and going, like, like let's hit this thing and get on with it. So it's interesting what you said about the light analogy, because I wonder whether that is something that could be used as a really significant sort of charge for people. I don't know, because I know there's massive hormonal releases with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So as soon as you hit light first thing in the morning, obviously you wake up. You're churruchigland and that tells your body what to do for the rest of the day. If it wakes up naturally with natural light, it's going to give you more energy slowly to release throughout the day. If you're waking it up with a full on phone in front of your face, it's almost like if you had a little kid in a cot a one year old kid in a cot and you woke that little kid up by shoving your phone in its face and making it look at a million different stories on Instagram. And then, hey, check this email and reach me to it. That kid's going to wake up, screaming its head off because it's going to be frightened in how it got up. And that's no different to humans' brains like an adult brain.
Speaker 2:It's like what are we doing, Holy?
Speaker 1:crap.
Speaker 2:Doing things coming in at once. So, then, that's the tone you've set for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:So would you like to get up and have your brain screamed at? Or would you like to get up and just go outside and look at the beautiful natural light that naturally wakes up that baby gently like a pat on the back? How's your day going to run from episode one to episode two there, yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, bloody kid's going to want the screen more, that's for sure, that's for sure. Yeah, get to from here. With this, I mean, obviously you have evolved yourself. But what happens with this sort of movement therapy? What can you see sort of coming on or being included with this?
Speaker 2:I just love what I do. I love educating and love teaching humans how to excel in their own life, and that's not only through the movement, that's all aspects. I can kind of say that's through mental, physical, emotional, your belief system, you know the brain, health, and I don't think that it can be separated. So I will probably just delge into a lot of that different stuff. I do a lot of kind of coaching in all of those areas as well. I absolutely love speaking, so give me a stage and all for it. Anyone out there you want to put me on stage, I'm ready.
Speaker 1:More episodes. You're going to hear a lot from Elise on this show people. More chapters in books.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, I'm just.
Speaker 1:It's great, though it's like what I said to you. I mean, you're clearly just so fascinated and passionate about what you do and it radiates, which is amazing, and your chapter did as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just, I think it's, yeah, it's just so passionate to sort of uplift the people's health and wellness, also teach them that their home they're living in, which is the human body, is the most important home there is out there, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think, also you've had, going back to the book chapter, is that you've obviously got this knack for really simplifying the complex, because it was a fairly quick, easy read but there was so much coming out of that. Yeah, and, as I said, the diagrams of the movement, things we've probably all done before but never hone in on. Yeah, I love the way you've sort of simplified it and I'm assuming that there's all different levels of teaching depending on who you're dealing with in your classes.
Speaker 2:No, I try and simplify it for everyone.
Speaker 1:Is it yeah?
Speaker 2:Because I think, simplify it to magnify it right, don't over complicate it, sure.
Speaker 1:But there must be people or stages to work through, I'm assuming.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think that's where paramedics come into it as well. I think you have to read the room very well and read the human in front of you very well, and as a paramedic you had to do that with every single person your ability to walk into a home and read the situation and the room with someone telling you something else. So it's that intuitive hit as well of you going something's off here or something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I've honed in that very well in my career as well. So it enables me to kind of stand on stage and be like, okay, it's a little bit, this is a harder crowd. How can I crack them?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not your name.
Speaker 2:It's like a fun crowd that's laughing and making jokes kind of thing, but I love it. It's like for me, that's just like bring it on, I'm going to end this talk. Oh, it's stimulating.
Speaker 1:I'm going to crack you open, yeah, yeah yeah, it's stimulating for you, but then you make that happen for the people you're teaching, obviously.
Speaker 2:Which is great, and I think that does have to do with the energy that comes through you as well.
Speaker 1:So if you actually enjoy what you do.
Speaker 2:It comes through you and people pick up.
Speaker 1:Look at you jump through the screen. Look at you. Can I ask where are you working from and like how often would you be doing these teachings?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so.
Speaker 1:Increasing movement.
Speaker 2:A lot of my stuff's online. So, I've got a lot of a built up kind of website that you can go to and lots of free things on YouTube. I've actually got a, a free little challenge starting on the fifth of Feb where anyone can join in. It's free, anyone can join in and do a 10 minutes a day brain-changing movement for two weeks, teach a few classes at a health retreat as well, on the Gold Coast here.
Speaker 1:More rugby teams, hey, oh yeah, that'd be fun too.
Speaker 1:But I'll put all your details for anyone listening. I'll put all the details up on the show notes. You can link up to the webpage, get the courses that Elise is putting up. But you, you truly bring this incredible, beautiful, beautiful, radiating energy, and it's amazing to see, but really easy to see, and it also came through the chapter in the book too. So thank you very much for sharing all this with me. I really I was so keen to talk to you after reading it because this is what we do, like you know, professionally Teaching people how to move all the time it's fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's it, isn't it. It is, and I think you see great changes in small periods of time too. That's the really sort of fun thing to see and really satisfying. Hey, thanks a million for joining the Unchampion within. I really appreciate it. I'll put all your details up, as I said, and hopefully you and I can stay in touch a little as well.
Speaker 2:Sounds great.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. Thanks for listening. You can follow up Elise's details on the show notes. Her website is elinedcomau. And don't forget Elise's free challenges up on her YouTube channel. You can follow and support this show through the show notes. You can also follow the show on Instagram at the underscore champion within. I appreciate your time listening and I will work with you next week. Thank you.
