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Calling all farmers, ranchers, and conscious eaters! Welcome to the LAND, FOOD, LIFE Podcast, where host Kara Kroeger takes you on a transformative journey designed to enhance the quality of life for all beings, YES, THAT INCLUDES YOU! Immerse yourself in the world of regenerative agriculture, nutrition, holistic healthcare, and advocacy for food and healthcare justice. Discover invaluable insights on how together we can heal the land, our ecosystems, and uplift our physical, mental, financial, creative, and spiritual health and well-being. Connect with the life giving soil beneath your feet, understand the origins and medicinal value (or lack thereof) of your food, and embrace the interconnectedness of all that surrounds you. Get ready, because this podcast is specifically crafted to change your outlook and sow the seeds of positive transformation within you and beyond. So listen up and together we will co-create a thriving planet!
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Harvesting Health: Discovering the Soil-Gut Connection You Need to Thrive
Your health journey begins in the soil. This fascinating conversation between nutritionist Kara Kroger and Amy Milliron of Fearless Farmers reveals the profound connections between environmental and human health that most of us don't fully understand how to integrate into our shopping and eating habits.
Driven by the loss of her father to cancer related to Agent Orange exposure, Kara has dedicated her career to understanding how our environment shapes our wellbeing. She shares the remarkable parallel between soil and gut microbiomes—both functioning as complex digestive systems that either thrive or suffer based on what they are fed. When we nourish the soil properly, it produces nutrient-dense foods that support our gut health. Conversely, when we nourish our gut properly, we experience better digestion, improved immunity, and even a more positive mood.
Contrary to popular belief, transforming your gut health doesn't require expensive supplements or complicated regimens. Kara demonstrates how simple interventions like increasing fiber intake from diverse plant sources and staying properly hydrated can create dramatic improvements, sharing a client story where these basic changes resolved 80% of post-cancer digestive issues within just two weeks. She illuminates how phytonutrients from plants support microbial diversity in both soil and gut, creating a continuous cycle of health that extends from the land to our bodies.
Most powerfully, this episode offers practical tools that you can implement immediately, while introducing an upcoming three-part webinar series, "Harvesting Health," which will guide participants through creating personalized gut health protocols. Whether you're dealing with chronic health issues, curious about the environmental impact of your food choices, or want to optimize your wellbeing, this episode provides a roadmap for understanding the inextricable link between the health of our planet and the health of our bodies.
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Well, hello everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Land Food Life podcast. I am your host, certified nutritionist and agroecology educator, kara Kroger, and this episode will be a little bit different from the others, as Amy Milliron, executive Director of Fearless Farmers, will be conducting the interview with me. Fearless Farmers cultivates and nurtures. Conducting the interview with me. Fearless Farmers cultivates and nurtures eco-literate citizens to inspire future generations, and they do this by working with educators, farmers and community leaders to foster thriving communities by encouraging people to adopt a holistic perspective and view their choices through an ecosystem lens. If you want to learn more about Fearless Farmers, you can check out their website in the show notes, and also, if you're a regular listener of this podcast, you can see that our values and work align really well, and so, for the past few months, we've been collaborating on a three-part webinar series called Harvesting Health, which we're going to be offering in July, and this episode definitely has a stronger marketing element to it, but please don't pass it up, because it's packed with useful tips you can start using right away, and I'm going to be sharing insights on connecting the dots between soil health and gut health, as well as how to improve your nutrition. So how do you really connect those dots and make it work in your shopping and eating habits? So if you're a wellness seeker, a gardener or a conscious eater or you want to develop these traits in yourself, please keep listening and perhaps consider attending the three-part webinar series where I'm really going to walk you through how to create a personalized action plan to boost your gut health and nutrition. And I'm going to do this by helping you map the current state of your gut health profile. And then we're going to talk about how soil and gut microbes really work to power your digestion, immunity and even your mood. And we're going to reflect on your current nutrition and lifestyle habits to see what's working and what can still be improved upon. And then I'm going to teach you how to apply the six soil health principles along with the six gut health principles that I created, so that you can really develop your nutrition and food shopping habits to support your gut and the environment. So, in essence, you can kind of consider this webinar series a personalized group nutrition coaching program, and it's really beneficial for those who are seeking wellness. That is budget friendly, because you're going to get pretty personalized um suggestions and there'll be a workbook that goes along with the uh webinars, and you'll be building one week onto the next to create a plan for yourself.
Speaker 1:So this webinar series is going to take place on three different Wednesdays in July July 9th, 16th and 23rd and each webinar will begin at 7 pm Eastern time and will last for about one hour and 15 minutes and then, like I said, you'll have exercises to do in between each session, and the registration link or more details about all the benefits of this webinar is also in the show notes, so please check it out there if you would like to learn more.
Speaker 1:I also want to remind everybody that I have an email list and I send out weekly emails with really helpful tips on gut health and improving your overall nutrition, and each week you'll get practical stories. I create stories that help you remember why it's important and how to take better care of your body, and particularly with the focus on gut health and really simple strategies Like these things are not complicated, but they make such a huge difference Like our body doesn't need complicated, it needs simple. So I've included the link in the show notes to join the email list, and I'd love for you to join if you're not already subscribed.
Speaker 2:Hi, I am Amy Milliron and I am with Fearless Farmers Today. I am joined by Kara Kroger with Land Food Life, and we are going to be diving into a topic that's important to each of us harvesting health. And so today, what we're going to do is help you understand how you can connect the food system to the ecosystem and maybe discover where you want to create some goals for yourself that are health related, for you as well as for your family, and so we're just going to dive right in today and I'm going to be asking Kara some questions and just kind of visit for a little bit so that you can see what you might expect from participating in a webinar series that we are offering this summer. So, kara, I would love to know the origin story of your work. So your father's story had a profound impact on your life, I understand. And how did this experience shape your personal mission to link the human health and environmental health components of your work through food systems?
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you for asking that question. So it really did. My father's death at 16 was just hugely impactful in creating the career that I am now doing, and so ultimately he passed away from non-Hodgkin's lymphoma cancer because he was exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam War, and so when he passed away, it was a very defining moment in my life and I really started looking at all the different things that can cause toxicity in our bodies, and it really made me start looking at things very different and it's influenced my life exponentially. You know, when I'm choosing what I want to do in a career, you know whether it's, you know, not wanting to work with chemicals around and also just greatly influenced my life in terms of what I eat.
Speaker 1:When he was going through chemotherapy, he was also doing alternative therapies and he was doing what was what is called a metabolic typing diet, and so he, at this time back in the 90s, was having to find grass fed beef, which was not easy to find, but that was important because, you know, his platelets were so low, so he really needed that beef.
Speaker 1:He was also doing carrot juice and various things like that, and it was specific to his constitution, his metabolic type, and so I learned that you know, and I'd also had some influence my mom was into nutrition as well, so I'd had some influence there but that influence of watching him move through that just had such an impact and it really made me realize how disconnected we are from the root causes of illness and that it is not just about you know what we're putting into our bodies, but it is also about what's outside of us right and what's happening on the land around us and what kind of foods we're eating and what kind of chemicals are on those foods.
Speaker 1:And even over the last 30 years since he's died, you know we have more and more chemicals coming into the food system, into the air we breathe, into the water. There's really nowhere you can go where you're not going to have chemical exposure on the planet because even if you're in the most pristine water source, if the rain is coming from somewhere else and depositing glyphosate, which is a pesticide, into that water, you could be in the middle of nowhere, not surrounded by anything, but still have exposure to glyphosate and chemicals. Surrounded by anything but still have exposure to glyphosate and chemicals. So ultimately, his death really awakened a lifelong pursuit to understand how toxins in our environment and our food systems, you know, are working and how it's affecting our bodies, and so it is why I do what I do today and I help basically facilitate healing through holistic health and clean food and regenerative agriculture. So his story really lives on through the work that I do every day.
Speaker 2:What a beautiful way to leave a legacy behind for your dad.
Speaker 2:And I am so sorry for your loss, but what incredible work over the last 30 years. And now, in a way, his work can help other people too, or what he has lived experience can help other people, which is really incredible that you're carrying that forward. So I think that this is an awesome way for us to share a little bit more about this harvesting health webinar type concept, and I know that it's powerful and it reflects this series as much about healing the land as it is about healing the body. So how do you guide people to see those two things as inseparable, and what can participants expect to harvest by the end of the series?
Speaker 1:Well, amy, harvesting health really teaches people how to listen to their bodies and it helps them understand what real nourishment feels like. And the goal is that I'm going to walk you through. You know this is a three-part series, so there's three hour and 15 minute long webinars, and I've also created a booklet that you'll have some exercises to do in between the webinars. But the goal in the end is for you to kind of have a plan that's specific to your lifestyle. I'm going to give a lot of tools and you'll get to choose which ones you feel like are going to be the best for your lifestyle. And we're going to go beyond just healthy eating Right, and we're going to explore how food is grown and how, when it's grown in healthy living soil, it impacts everything from your gut to your mood. Right, this microbiome that exists in the soil and in our gut is inextricably linked Right. That exist in the soil and in our gut is inextricably linked right. And so, ultimately, when we learn how to address food quality and lifestyle factors and how we can look at our environment and create more awareness around our environment and then think about our own individual biology because only you know your body best right, like that's. You know what. It's not the person like me, the nutritionist, who needs to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1:We work together. You know your body and I help you understand what the tools are, and then you get to choose what those are. So we identify patterns, we identify triggers. We look at you know what the gut is telling us. Our body is constantly sending messages by way of our gut, so we're going to learn how to listen to those messages and then learn how they can point us into understanding these deeper imbalances and then addressing them holistically so that true healing can occur.
Speaker 1:And it's also just a whole system's view right, so it really gets to the body of how health breaks down by way of what's happening outside of our body, which includes a lot of depleted soils. And so we're going to talk about the six soil health and the six gut health principles. And I kind of created this. The six gut health principles were created already, and then I created the six gut health principles to go along with the soil health principles, because it's almost the exact same system. Soil and the gut are parallel digestive systems. They work very similarly. So we break that down and I give you just very useful tools that you can use to rebuild your gut microbiome.
Speaker 2:I have had the privilege to be able to be a part of attending series that you have done or workshops at various conferences and things like that over the years, and I just want people to realize how important this webinar series is to learn that connection. Obviously, at Fearless Farmers, we're really trying to build community focused on soil at the center, where farmers and educators and community ambassadors and anybody who just really wants to learn how to view life through a regenerative lens. This is a really great way to make it very personal, because if you're taking care of your health, you're better able to then help take care of the land and take care of your community and other people. So highly encourage folks to consider it, and I know that there are a lot of people that are struggling with chronic health issues and feel overwhelmed. I run into a lot of folks like this in my life, whether in my family or friends or community. And how does this webinar really help participants reconnect with their bodies through food and awareness of their environment?
Speaker 1:Well, ultimately, like I was mentioning before, you know it's we all eat, we all depend on the land, whether we realize it or not, you know, whether we're living in an urban environment or whether we are living on a rural farm, and true transformation will happen when eaters can understand how their choices are rippling throughout the food system and also when farmers begin to understand this. So this webinar is not just for eaters. You know it's for farmers and ranchers, you know, who are also eaters and you know really want to learn how to connect the dots a little bit more between what they do on the land and what's happening inside of their body. You know, unfortunately, just like many of the rest of us who are living in urban environments, farmers are very busy and you know they're always working to tend to their crops in the land or do whatever they need to do off season or on season, and ultimately, sometimes health suffers, and so this is just really going to come in and help us connect those dots, and so the way that we're going to do that is we're going to, overall, do a little bit of a breakdown and helping you understand where you stand in this moment with your gut health. We'll kind of map the gut for your own personal self. And then what we're going to do is we're going to go into some of the teaching pieces I'm going to teach about soil health. I'm going to teach about gut health, how they're very connected, and it doesn't matter whether you're working with soil in your life, whether you know. If you're not working with soil, that's okay. This is still going to give you a lot of perspective into things that you wouldn't have thought about before, and it's going to make you think when you go buy foods or when you're making food choices in the grocery store, like, oh you know, well, maybe this is going to be a little bit better for encouraging good soil health practices right by the choices that you're making, and I understand that not everybody always has availability of those choices. But we're going to take it one step at a time and help you pick the best choice for where you are in your life and in your environment and in your culture and in your community. So ultimately, we will go into some of the teaching pieces of that and then from there we're going to start building a little bit of a plan and we're going to start having you create these goals for yourself. And so by the end of the webinar series, you're going to have three main things to take away that you're going to try to put into practice in your life, and they can be very simple. These are not complex things.
Speaker 1:You know a lot of people are very concerned with which is the right probiotic to take? Right? And you know there's all this research that's conflicting out there about probiotics right, and are they effective? Do they withstand the acidity of our gut? Do they even do anything? And I'm not debunking probiotics, because I do think that they have a valuable place in the healing of the gut. But, that said, fiber Fiber contains prebiotics.
Speaker 1:Vegetables contain prebiotics and fiber, many fibers are prebiotics and they are what fuel the gut with short-chain fatty acids, right. So fiber goes into the gut and the microbes. It gets into the large intestine where the microbes break it down into short chain fatty acids and it's those fatty acids that communicate with our brain and affect our mood and tell our brain to make different neurotransmitters. So just the simple act of buying a few vegetables a day, having a few servings of vegetables a day, is the most amazing place to start, as well as water, drinking water. So it can be very, very simple, but have profound impacts if it's not something that you're already doing. And if it is something you're already doing, how do you take it up the next level and where do we find little points that need to be tweaked in order to start feeling better in your gut or in your mood? Yeah, sorry, say that again.
Speaker 2:Not not everybody has gut issues, but a lot of people still struggle with, you know, fluctuating moods, so or if you are already employing some of those practices in your life and you're seeing the benefits, but sometimes you have a hard time explaining what, the why and how it's working so that other people might benefit from it too, then this series also will give the language and the science behind it, so that maybe it's working so that other people might benefit from it too. Then this series also will give the language and the science behind it, so that maybe it's a little bit easier for someone to share with someone else which is always really helpful.
Speaker 1:If the gut's inflamed or depleted, our mental state suffers. And then poor quality food that is contaminated with pesticides or contains a lot of additives, maybe it's a highly processed food. It doesn't just lead to an unhealthy microbiome and gut health, but it also clouds our thinking and weakens our resilience. And then on the land, when we eat vibrant, living food that's honoring the earth, we can more easily support a calm, clear mind. And you know, food is chemistry and information for the nervous system ultimately. And so when we are thinking about the soils that our food is grown in, the same thing is happening in a plant right. When the plant has the microbiome that can ultimately take the sugars that are coming down from the plant by way of photosynthesis, that plant's photosynthesizing, sending sugars down into the roots of the plant. Those sugars feed the microbiome as well as having water in the soil, those sugars fuel the microbiome that then mobilizes nutrients in the soil to become available for the plants and to make that plant more nutrient dense. So it's a symbiotic relationship.
Speaker 1:There's this fungi and bacteria and viruses, and you know protozoa and arthropods, earthworms and different things like that. You know all doing this work in the soil. Same thing is happening in the gut, and a lot of times, the same microbes that are in the soil are the microbes that are in our gut, and a lot of times, the same microbes that are in the soil are the microbes that are in our gut. And when we have a lot of diversity, both in the soil and in the gut of microbes, that's when we flourish and we tend to be at our best health, both in terms of making bio-nutrient available plants and also extracting those nutrients in our gut so that we can reap the benefits of them for our health. So there's just this inextricable link there that exists, and we really go into more depth about that process in this webinar series.
Speaker 2:Which is really fun, and I think that it's really interesting when you're able to share some personal experiences, and maybe it would be helpful to highlight a client story that illustrates transformation of gut health. Here's some of those same principles that you're going to teach through this harvesting health webinar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. Um, you know, I had a client who was, um, just uh, overcoming colon cancer and you know, colon cancer is really a very serious cancer that affects a lot of people and, in general, colon cancer has really mostly affected people 60 and above, but the ages are really beginning to shift and is starting to take hold in much younger people at very high rates, you know, in their 30s and 40s. And so this is all something we need to pay attention to, and I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that we're not eating enough vegetables and then we're also eating a lot of foods with pesticides that are killing our microbiome and our gut. And so with this particular client unfortunately she had developed SIBO and I'm not going to get into that specific in this webinar of like how to deal with SIBO. You know I have my own practice that I work with clients in that, but I'm just going to give this as an example. So one of the things that's really important with SIBO is that a lot of people can't tolerate certain types of fibers. Right, they can eat one type of fiber, but if they eat fermentable fibers, it can just cause gas and bloating and lots of discomfort and after you've had cancer you often have had surgery colon cancer, you may have surgery and you may have adhesions that are causing blockages in your gut.
Speaker 1:And so, with this particular client, we really honed in on rebuilding the gut microbiome, focusing on trying to remove toxicity from the diet right, she'd also had chemo, so how do you kind of work with trying to remove toxicity from the diet right? She'd also had chemo, so how do you kind of you know work with trying to remove some of that toxicity that's sitting in the body? And we did that all through food, and a lot of it came down to simply changing the types of carbohydrates she was eating and eating the ones that she can tolerate, so that she could slowly decrease the SIBO with some other mechanisms we were using. But just that simple act of changing the type of fiber she was eating, you know, improved her symptoms within the first, you know, two weeks of working together by 80%. And she had been struggling for, you know, two years with this. And it's just not information that you're given at the doctor's office, even if you're going to a gi doctor. I mean, some doctors now are starting to recommend fodmap diet, which is what what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1:But you know there is just um some very simple things that you can that you can put into place. You know, additionally, drinking water. Drinking water it's like you know, I wrote an email this morning that's going out tomorrow and it's all about how, when I went out to this river ranch with some girlfriends of mine, they have this big water slide there and the water slide, you know, has water and you go down and you fall into the river and one day we were up there and we were taking the video of friends and all of a sudden the water supply stopped when they were halfway down the slide. And so they're coming down the slide and all of a sudden they just start screeching and stopping and by the time they get to the bottom they were there was no. It dried up so fast that there was no water and they just got all stuck and it was like super painful and it's a hilarious video and I'm putting it in the email.
Speaker 1:But ultimately, you know that's what happens in your gut. You know, if you don't have water in your gut, like your food that's digesting through, it can't make it down well, and it's getting stuck and it's like causing issues and there's all these things. So you know, I try to create stories and analogies that like put it into perspective, and I'll probably show that video in this class just to make you laugh, because it's really funny and it just drives it in like oh, I need to drink water, right, great analogy and that very practical, you know example of a client and and for some people that are going through something pretty serious, I'm so grateful that you're able to help folks when maybe they aren't able to receive the help where they need it.
Speaker 2:But maybe someone is just kind of starting out on this journey and they realize, either because they have symptoms that are bugging them, or they just really know that they need to make sure to keep their gut healthy or or get it to a place of maintaining its health. What's one myth that you'd love to debunk and one practical first step that people can take today?
Speaker 1:Well, I think I kind of went over that already. You know this, this myth that you have to take a bunch of supplements right to get your gut health better. I mean, supplements can be very helpful and I use them a lot with my clients to get them somewhere quicker right than where they would be if they were just only doing food, especially if they're really compromised. But you know, I think it's just like it can be very simple, like it can be very simple. So, you know, you can remove irritants, just short-term irritants, and that can really create more diversity in the gut. And so what are some of those irritants? Well, you know, if we're constantly eating white, refined, processed foods that don't have a lot of nutrients, those microbes don't get fed, they don't get diverse, they actually become decreased in diversity because of the way that those foods allow for opportunistic bacteria, the bacteria that cause dysbiosis, which means kind of the imbalance in the microbiome that can cause a lot of the health issues that we hear about. And so, ultimately, let's talk about just getting processed foods out and getting more vegetables in. And a lot of people, you know, think it has to be complicated. And it doesn't have to be complicated, it can be very, very simple. So you know, simply focusing on fiber. You know 30 grams of fiber a day and I'll tell you how to do that in the webinar.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about how to get 30 grams of fiber a day or more, and then how to get that from sources of foods that are also phytonutrient rich, which are kind of the non vitamin, mineral and, you know, protein, fat, water. Those are all the macro and micronutrients. But we also have phytonutrients which are plant nutrients, right. Like anthocyanins and lycopene and you know what else. What else are the buzz ones? You know polyphenols, right? These are all phytonutrients that help that those gut microbes stay active and stay in good shape and good health. That's why a grass fed cow that's eating a multi, diverse, rich diet that has a lot of phytonutrients from the plants, that meat is healthier than eating a grain fed cow that doesn't have any of those phytonutrients in its diet. We get the same thing that helps its ruminant gut when it eats that and when we eat good foods with phytonutrients, it helps our gut and those microbes stay diverse and active and in good shape.
Speaker 2:So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that the question I'm sure people will have is one how can they register? Where do they go? How many sessions are there? What's the time commitment kind of thing, and then what will people be able to do even after that? So let's say they attend the harvesting health webinar and they're so excited about this and they really want to get started on their own personal health journey. I'm sure they'll take so much away from the webinar itself, but what could be some steps even beyond that, if you don't mind touching on both of those things?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so well. First of all, in order to register you, let's say we'll put the link in any socials that this is going on so you can look for that link, but I'm just going to spell out the URL here. It's learnfearlessfarmersorg front slash course. Front slash harvesting dash health. So we will put that link in all of the show notes as well here.
Speaker 1:And ultimately, what's going to happen is there's three different Wednesdays that we will be meeting, and we will meet at 7 pm Eastern time, and the webinars are each going to be one hour and 15 minutes long, and then there'll be some very simple activities for you to do in between the classes, but they're designed to build one upon the next and be a bit of a journey, because it's a lot of information. I mean, you know you'll probably be hearing a lot of things that you haven't heard before, and so breaking it up into that three-part series allows us to go deep, but also we don't want to overwhelm you. And then we also want you to do the exercises so that you can really start to put those things into practice in between and start getting that muscle memory in your body. You know as you're going, and so that's how you can register and that's what it will entail. And, of course, you know, if you have further questions about it, you're more than welcome to email me at Kara K-A-R-A at landfoodlifecom.
Speaker 1:I'm glad to answer questions and ultimately, some of the things that you could be doing now, in between, it would simply be keeping a food journal. You know it doesn't even have to be something you do every day, but if you did it for three days before you came to the webinar, three days is a good time frame to kind of get a little understanding of what is happening in your body. 24 hours is not quite enough, because you may do it on a day that you know just as a random day and you're eating weird. So try to pick three days. It's pretty typical of what you do, maybe one weekend day and two weekdays. Keep a little food journal so that you have a better understanding of what it is you actually are doing. We fool ourselves a lot and we think we are doing things differently than we actually are.
Speaker 1:So keeping that webinar if you wanted to go really deep into it, you could set up a free account on chronometercom, which is a um, a nutrition uh app that helps you look at all your macronutrients, all your vitamins and minerals, calories, proteins, carbohydrates in depth and that's kind of really cool If you carbohydrates in depth and that's kind of really cool If you. It doesn't take long at all. It's a very quick tool. A lot of foods are already in it, so you don't have to do a whole lot of like typing in and stuff. It's already available there and you can really learn some things. If you want to do a three-day recall of that before you begin but that's not required, but just a, just a thought yeah, if you're an overachiever you have nothing to do.
Speaker 2:Well, it is summer, so some people have a little more time on their hands and are able to carve out that little bit of time. Well, this has been so great. Thanks, kara, and for those watching, please look at the link that we mentioned. We will make sure that you have access to the link itself so that you can register for this online course. It does take place entirely online.
Speaker 2:There are no in-person components to it so we look forward to learning together as we build this community of health this summer, and then be sure to sign up today so that you can get those concrete tools, because this is chock full of actionable steps that you can take right now, and you want to be able to add those tools to your toolbox so that you can achieve your health goals. So we're looking forward to it. Thanks, kara.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely looking forward to it. Thank you, Amy, for the interview and I'm just so excited to be collaborating with Fearless Farmers. It's such a great organization.
Speaker 2:Us too. All right, take care.
Speaker 1:Well, folks, there you have it. We hope you enjoyed this episode. Be sure to follow the Land Food Life podcast to be notified of future episodes and check out previous episodes. We love hearing from our listeners, so please feel free to reach out with questions or comments at landfoodlifecom. We look forward to you joining us next time. Thanks again for listening today.
