Parenting as the CEO of Your Family with Janet Krebs

In this lighthearted conversation between Janet Krebs and Andrea, they dive into the idea of parents as the CEOs of their families, leading with both courage and compassion. The discussion touches on the power of having a clear vision for your family, the importance of honest and open communication, and the deep connections we build with our children. Janet, who brings her wealth of experience as a consultant, coach, and former educator, shares candid stories and actionable insights on what it means to lead in the messy, beautiful world of parenting. They explore how recognizing our own strengths as parents can create a sense of confidence, the balance between having a long-term vision and being present in the moment, and how understanding our children's unique needs and communication styles is key. The conversation also underscores the importance of flexibility and empathy, especially when managing the diverse needs of our children.

BIO: 

Janet is a speaker, author and a family facilitator …helps families adopt a leadership mindset and empowers them to cultivate confidence and self-reliance in themselves and their children.

She has enjoyed a rich career in Consulting, Human Resources and Education. She spent over 14 years as Commander Krebs in a Space Flight Simulator where she impacted over 60,000 students.

She is a 2X best-selling author and earned advanced degrees in Human Behavior and Development, Counseling Psychology and in Education.

When asked her greatest accomplishment she will answer, without hesitation, her 2 adult children, Benjamin and Elisa.

RESOURCES/ REFERENCES:

https://www.janetkrebs.com/

Instagram @janetkrebs22

Transcript

 Good afternoon. Today we are joined with Janet Krebs. How are you, Janet? Good.

I am fantastic. How are you?

I am good. This is going to be a very fun conversation. I know it. I can already feel it.

Um, Janet is a speaker, author and family facilitator. She helps families adopt a leadership mindset and empowers them to cultivate confidence and self reliance in themselves and their children. Bravo, Janet. Janet, this is why you're here today, because let me tell you, when we've got kids that require a little special attention, you need to have confidence and you need to have a lot of leadership.

So, I can't wait to dive deep into this. She has enjoyed a rich, a rich career in consulting, human resources and education. She spent over 14 years as Commander Krebs in a space flight simulator, where she impacted over 60, 000 students. Side note, we are going to have a conversation on that because I am curious and that sounds like amazing.

So we may just start with that one because that's so, so cool. She is a two time bestselling author and earned advanced degrees in human behavior and development, counseling, psychology, and in education. And when she is asked what her greatest accomplishment is, she will answer without hesitation, her two adult children, Benjamin and Elisa.

Absolutely. 400%. You nailed it. Yep.

Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. Can we take a little side note here? I got to understand space flight simulator. I would imagine that that probably falls right in line with parenting.

Well, I was a teacher for the Reader's Digest version of That Is. I was a teacher for 20 years. I retired myself. I didn't get myself in trouble. I retired myself. We all know what has happened in education, uh, 20 years. 20 years or so. Anyway, blessed beyond measure. 14 years of my educational career was in a space flight simulator.

Challenger centers are all across the country. Actually, they're all across the world. And here in my home state of Indiana, I was blessed to work in one. So I was Commander, Commander Krebs in the suit, uh, seven and coolest thing about it, Andrea, is that the simulation itself, like, it was so realistic.

Like, I would have kids actually pee their pants because they thought they couldn't leave the spacecraft, okay?

Oh, bless her heart.

like sixth graders, right? Like, who have to change their clothes in the spare clothes that we kept, So, um, it was very realistic. The curriculum kind of taught itself I was able to facilitate the curriculum, which thankfully very early in my teaching career, like year six or seven, I learned that I was much better at facilitating curriculum rather than standing in front of a classroom and just regurgitating

Yes,

curriculum so that it was a perfect fit. And I learned a lot about parenting. In that simulator. So it was not for naught. It just really paved the way for so many ahas,

well, I am so curious about how you have focused your latest career on career move. I should say on Leadership and confidence in parenting what led you to to doing focusing on that,

you know, it's a great question. And I think about it all the time because there's so many ways that I could answer that, uh, like the, what, you know, the, what, like what happened, you

right?

nobody cares about my story per se, except that I am a huge Simon Sinek fan. And he's all about leadership. Yeah. when I listened to all of the leadership gurus out there, you know, John Maxwell, Simon Sinek, there are many to, to name, I got to thinking one day, it's like, there's a bridge here. this isn't its own, like, why do we only speak about leadership in corporate America? leadership really transcends into many of our roles. I got to thinking every time I would hear checklist, you know, top 10 leadership skills, top 13 leadership skills, how to know if you're a great leader.

Every single time I looked into all of that data, it pointed to. Anybody who is a parent, role model, influencer, coach, like I don't want to say just because you've birthed children or you are a mother or a father. Anybody who has influence over a young child is in a leadership role. And so I just decided to call it to the carpet and have devoted my entire, like this chapter of my career, To not convince, but to draw the bridge for people to understand that you don't have to look any further than just right in your mirror.

You are all your kids need.

Yeah,

into the role. You've got it. Step into the role and you'll ace it.

well, let me tell you I was in management for several years when my children were young and I That's like parenting. Clearly, the skills are transferable. Absolutely. So you talk about, um, the CEO. I'd like you to explain to a mother or father who does not picture themselves. As a CEO of their family, what does that mean?

How can they change their, their image of themself to being that CEO of their family?

Well, I'll tell you what, how you can't do it. And that's what the snap of a finger, right? Cause like, it's just like, and everyone's looking for the quick fix right now. So there is, there is some, you know, there's some mindset that we can do and some exercises and stuff, but what it's not.

Let's just go there first. If you don't mind, I chose this mug very intentionally. Hopefully it comes across

It does. Do you want,

The days of, you know, everybody today is looking to social media of whatever your platform of choices and everybody's got an influencer that they follow.

for those of you not watching, hold up that, um, again, it says property of an influencer. And then it says powerful. And I can't read what it says underneath, but.

know what? I don't have it committed. Powerful professional.

There we go. Okay.

Okay. Powerful professional. so I love this mug and I use it when I'm interviewed most of the time it brings that, that concept home. And that is. You don't need to look outside of yourself. Like you're not going to find the answers on Facebook or TikTok or like any of those platforms. Look within first and then get like some real solid help, coaching, you know, advice. Don't like stay off of social media. The influencers of your world are not the ones that have five million. Likes or followers on Tik Tok.

Yeah,

perhaps people in your own sphere. Maybe if you're religious, it could be a, you know, a clergy or somebody that, you know, or a mentor or find a coach or whatever it is, but stop looking out there on social media for the so called influencers, you've got this.

you know one thing with with that is I think to be a good leader and to be Impactful to anybody is you've got to be authentic to yourself And if you're trying to copy what some of these influencers are doing You're not being authentic to yourself. You're not coming up with your own, uh, why, and your own way of speaking.

And I think that would be hugely, you're, you're absolutely right. I don't think I've ever thought of it that way, but you're absolutely right. Right,

named, you called out specifically, like, you know, it's hard for parents to think of themselves as the CEOs of their family. Uh, I would challenge that. I, if, I mean, know I'm not supposed to swear, but I call bullshit. I'm just going to call bullshit to that. Because Who is making the financial decisions, the logistical decisions, the medical decisions, the nutritional decisions, every single decision that is made in a family is typically made by someone in charge, probably a mother or father, or if it's an aunt or a grandparent, whoever is responsible for parenting. So you are the Chief Financial, Chief Medical, Chief Logistics, Chief Education, Chief Nutrition. You are the Chief, you are the C F O C O O C E O of your family, whether you like it or not. that might make you uncomfortable, but we have to remember that when we said yes, bringing this child home, however it was conceived or, you know, whatever the circumstances are. When you say yes, those are your responsibilities. And it can be the greatest joy, and it can be the greatest joy, like, yeah, I know you were expecting me to say something the opposite, but it can be so great. Is it going to be easy all the time? Of course not. Are you going to have challenges? Of course. Any CEO of any corporation. doesn't have all the answers. You're not expected to know everything right out of the gate, but organically and with some help and some research and some trial and error, we learn how to do it. So, uh, we are, we're the bosses, we're the CEOs, whether we like it or not. So you might as well step into the role and just own it. And when you look in the mirror to say, I mean, how empowering is that to just, you know, instead of saying, I'm just a mom, how many times have we heard this? Right.

right,

a stay at home mom, like, why does that even have a label?

right,

And, and mothers shrink when they say that it's like, I'm a mom rather than hands on hip.

I'm a mother,

right, right.

Like I'm responsible for, come on. I mean, we're talking about transferable skills. make the best bosses. Transcribed

Yeah, they really do.

They do!

Not to say that men don't make great, great bosses either, but women are very empathetic. We, we know how to read one another. We, it's just in our, it's almost in our DNA, right? So. I, I bring this back to, we've got, you know, our, our, our podcast really addresses listeners that may have children who struggle with mental health issues or, you know, any kind of really struggle.

And I,

It's, the whole gig is hard.

it's hard, it's hard. And I think, you know, you just, you think you got it figured out, right? Your kids five, six, seven, you've been doing this, you're rolling along and you're like, okay, I got this out. And all of a sudden you're hit, hit with a curve ball. And it just takes your self confidence down.

right? Like all of a sudden, I don't know how to deal with any of this. I don't know what to do. And I know when I was hit with it, my kids were a little bit older, they were 11, is that I just was, I just Got knee deep and just tried to figure out what I could learn and the best thing for me was trying to learn from other people and that helped me gain my my confidence and I really do think that when I was put into that position that It it gave me confidence because I had to do something that I didn't do but at the same time it Put me into that.

It made me realize what what a significant leadership role I played in the family because things weren't easy. They were difficult. And I had to take a stand on things.

And, great segue, and you just, what you just described in the digging deep and figuring things out and learning and researching and asking and remaining curious and trying some things to see what worked and didn't work and all of that, gave you competence because you tried some things and some things worked.

And so that's how we build competence, right? We

Mm hmm.

skill and when we've mastered it, or at least have seen some success, then we feel competent. Well, what breeds confidence? Competence.

Sure.

Right. So when you go, so we, we rewind like how do you get mothers who don't feel confident? If you do four successful things a day within your family as a mother, you have competence.

How could you not be competent? We don't focus on our wins nearly as much. We focus on what we didn't get done or what didn't go right or all of that. So. Sorry for the, I segwayed you off. I derailed you a little bit

No, no.

um, because that answered that question. How does, how do parents do that? Focus on what your competencies are and then give yourself some grace and credit, which builds your confidence. So back to the derail of what happens when life goes sideways on us. I think number one, we have to expect it,

Right. Yeah, absolutely. It's never a smooth train.

not linear. Uh, and boy, would it be boring as all get out if it was, wouldn't it? Uh, we expect it and, but are the rules really any different? Like we assess, we remain curious and we identify now what the new, like, what, what is it that I'm actually dealing with? And what would my next benchmark or vision that I have for this to be? So, you know, if it's, you know, if it's a, it's a, if it's a medical, we obviously want that to be resolved and, or cured or at least managed. Uh, so there's lots of things that, but like, what's just the next one step. What's the next, like, not the road, like you want to have a vision, but you also just have to give yourself some grace and manage it one step at a time.

Janet, that is probably the best advice. Ever, because I think I know for myself and I think for a lot of other people, especially when we are raising little humans and we know how hard and tough life can be once they leave home that we jump 10 years down the line and start thinking, Oh my gosh, what's going to happen?

And we forget about all those little steps, all those little learning opportunities that make them stronger in between now and then. And sometimes when we jump. to 10 years down the line, we become paralyzed in our thinking because we don't know where to go. That is excellent advice is just think for the moment.

And you know, when, when my son was, I don't know, two and a half months, maybe old, he was not sleeping through the night. Oh my God. As probably many of our kids didn't, he would only sleep. He would Yeah.

don't think they're expected

Oh, well, with my first I thought they were because I was going back to work full time at four months. He was going to be four months old and I was going to go back to work.

This before we had all these great benefits that they do now. Um, and I remember being stressed out. Like, how am I going to, you know, how am I going to get back to work? He's not sleeping. I'm only sleeping, you know, like, 10 minutes, it felt like. And um, my husband was, had a coworker who had a child that was like three.

And his response was exactly what you did, which was, he's two and a half months. Of course he's going to be sleeping by four months. And I thought that's only a month and a half away. And guess what? By the time he was four months old, he was sleeping through the night. And things change so rapidly with kids and being agile is important.

And then just being grounded and knowing what you're doing right now. Um, will be that next layer for them to, to, to grow and, and be better.

Yeah,

You see.

thing with potty training, right?

Oh yeah.

is struggling with potty training. You know, I don't know of anybody who's ever graduated high school that wasn't potty trained.

Yeah. Except for maybe that sixth grader that was in your, um, flight simulator. I'm just kidding.

that's That's,

I'm just kidding.

because I, well, because I, I provided them such a realistic experience that they really thought they

I'm just kidding.

and there was no place to go.

Hey, you talk about, um, the three C's. Can you go into, um, a little detail about what those are and how those are important when you are the CEO of your family?

Yeah. And I, so your listeners are probably, I'm going to kind of contradict myself. Ever so slightly with the first of the three C's, which is creative vision, because here we're talking about one step at a time, right?

Right.

I was going to the timing of your question is perfect because I was almost going to disclaim that with balancing with a vision because leaders always know where the ship is going,

Mm hmm.

least they have a vision, uh, or they're creating a vision, right? And so there's a balance between what you're dealing with and also what you, the vision that you would see either for your family as a whole, or for your child, i. e. What's a great example? Um, well, today, like, actually, we can use a great example of today's kids where I don't know about your area in San Diego, but here in Indiana.

And in a lot of areas in the Midwest and the South, high school sports is huge,

Yes. Yes.

they're like, it's the big push and it's competition, everything and travel this. And then my kid going to get a scholarship and blah, blah, blah. That's cool. If that's your path and all of that, I'm not saying don't have that. but what happens with that vision is so narrow that the child doesn't get the scholarship and then they have to make another decision. So you've, you've created such a narrow vision. That, you know, that kind of derails or let's say I'm, uh, I'm an athlete, which obviously I'm not, but I'm a dad and I'm an athlete.

And my son is going to get the football scholarship, but my son is wants to be an artist has no interest. So whose vision are we creating one that's accurate and in alignment with the skills and the talents of your own kids, or is your ego creating the vision?

Mm hmm.

creating the vision takes a little finesse and the vision changes, obviously, because it's not linear. Uh, I always knew. Personally, I always knew that I wanted kids that would leave and like leave that metaphorical nest. And I'm not embarrassed to say that. And so at a very early age for them and early in our experience, I stopped doing things that they could do for themselves so that they would learn how to do things for themselves. Um, that was just a decision that I made, but it was part of my vision. Of making sure that they knew how to do things for themselves when they left the metaphorical nest, so I make no apologies about it. And actually, they're, you know, now they're 27 and 31 and they can do all of that stuff. And my son is a fabulous cook.

So

Mm hmm.

terrific. So, things like that. So, see, number one is to create a vision in alignment with the kids personalities talents. and strengths. Did you want to make a comment before I

No?

further? Uh, okay. Scene number two would be communication. And for me, communication is huge. I'm a huge communicator. I love effective communication, and I love streamlining communication. And, When it comes to communication and kids again, you got to match where they're coming from. For example, parents of today are probably struggling. 2024 with technology. So coming through the door, here's just a beautiful example of how we have to kind of change with the times. The kid comes home from prom, doesn't matter whether it's son or daughter, comes home from prom and you're anxiously awaiting the full report. Like what happened? Did you have fun? Blah, blah, blah. Who'd you see? How was the food? Did you dance? All of this vomit of, and the kid comes in and they're just like, Uh, uh, fine. don't want to talk about it, right? So, how do you make that bridge? Cause they're teenagers. want to come in. It's like maybe they don't want to come right in and everything that's in their head. So is it realistic to say, maybe tomorrow at breakfast, you'd be more willing to fill me in on some details. Uh, I respect your space. You probably, maybe if it were my daughter, she'd be so peopled out because she's an

Yeah. Mm hmm.

hide in her bedroom. So again, with communication, we have to. Know who we're talking to and with, and align our style with theirs.

You know, it's interesting. One of the things that has recently come up for me is, I think I, our generation is more of two way dialogue. We're just, and in person, um, and the kids, obviously because of technology, just aren't that way. And I've come to realize that I. Send out information, mainly via texts now, and don't expect anything in return.

And it, that was a hard, because I would, you know, I'd send out stuff and I would expect them to, like, come back with, yeah, talking to my kids, yeah, send it out to my kids, and I would expect them to come back to me with acknowledgement or engagement in conversation, and that doesn't happen. And so then I would assume that they weren't, reading it.

They weren't retaining it. And what I came to realize was, they absolutely are. They're, they're absorbing it, but they're absorbing so much information that to get back to me is a communication style that's important to me, but not necessarily something that is in alignment with the way that this next generation communicates because I think they get so much information back at them.

And yet, I still value and I still,

Yes.

endorse that being able to communicate face to face. Is never going to go out of style

Oh, I agree with that.

seeing a lot of kids who are socially uncomfortable or socially awkward because of our lenience or reliance on technology. And I think that is just the biggest mistake.

And I think that's where parents can make a role. So I'm not saying that you in this case, but you could say to your kids, please acknowledge That you got this right. And so even if they gave you a thumbs up or something, because that's just letting them know that. Common courtesy of communication is a two way.

If it's a boss,

They're going to need it. Yes. Yes. Absolutely.

to respond whether they like it or not.

Absolutely. And I should say that it's, that it is two way. It's not like a, but there is so much information out there that we're not going to have deep conversations about every, everything that's sent through. That was probably the biggest thing. And um, but, and the second side of that is that where I thought that maybe they weren't even getting it is that they are actually, it's just that they're reading about it and they're processing it much differently than I process.

You know, my gen I'm a talker, I guess. Maybe, maybe that's the bigger thing is I'm a talker and they're not. Um, but actually they are, but anyways, and now I'm going back and forth. Okay! Seek!

actually goes back to what I was going to say next was about. We need to understand the style, the personal style of our kids. Um, in my work with families, I am a huge endorser of, I w I work with a version of disc that has actually been trademarked. To use with families

Oh, interesting.

can understand the personality styles, which often well, always will give us clues as to the communication style

Real quickly,

the family.

Right? Not

don't know what DISC is, DISC is a, uh, an assessment of skills and traits and personality and all of those things that a lot of corporations use, um, to help, uh, facilitate relationships within the organization, right? And understand yourself. So that's interesting that they came out with something dedicated to families.

Go on.

they, actually not they. One of the women that I work with,

Oh,

it herself, had it trademarked and approved by that corporation.

interesting.

And so I joined forces with that because it's just brilliant. So for example, if, if you're a dominant, right, but you've got a very. Supportive child that's not going.

So that's the D dominant and that S, um, D. I. S. C. S. would be supportive child like that. Communication style isn't always going to be because dominance are drivers. My way or the highway and supportives are not going to be supportive. Are just not that you're going to turn them away. So not only is it how we communicate, but understanding who it is that we are communicating with.

So that's more than just a single pronged C in the 3 C's.

One thing that has come up so often throughout my episodes is, um, this premise that behavior is, um, a form of communication and that kids that are misbehaving are oftentimes trying to communicate something. So I would think on with that whole communication thing, if you've got a child that is struggling somehow or misbehaving.

Now I'm. I'm not as generous with that when I, when I think of somebody who's 17 or 18, but younger children is finding out what is driving that behavior because maybe that communication is not coming out verbally for you to understand.

And we have to remember, this is a little off tangent, but it's very fitting here. We don't remember. Well, okay, I'll be very personal. I'm 60. I don't remember fearing the world.

Hmm.

real different, right? I mean, I could talk to my ice cream man. I actually used to get in the truck with him and drive around the neighborhood and hand out ice cream.

That would never happen today. My world didn't feel scary. Getting up in front of the class,

Right.

that was scary or having to raise my hand for times tables. Kids today, like the world is frightening.

Yeah.

And so a lot of times they're just reacting in fear. And we also have to remember side note, we could talk a long time on this, so we won't, but when there are no boundaries or loose boundaries within their world, whether it's the family or school or whatever it is. When the boundaries aren't clear, that equals fear. God, that was a riddle. That was, I should, that's a way

It's a good thing that's recorded.

And so oftentimes I believe that kids that misbehave, it's sometimes. Coming from because they're fearful because they're scared. They don't know what the boundaries are. And so they misbehave to test what those boundaries are.

Well and getting back to your whole principle of a CEO and being a leader of your family is having those established boundaries and that confidence in yourself in establishing those boundaries is going to transcend to your kids.

And so for anybody that's out there listening and says, or said at the very beginning of this. Episode. I'm not a CEO. Like, we're not even talking less than an hour and you've already able to draw all of those connections right back to CEO ship. So congratulations. Like, you

you.

everybody permission to pull all sorts of examples of exactly that.

Yep.

They only hire the best here at This Way Up. Best and brightest. Um, Now, I will say that parents that have either special needs or high needs children, that sometimes Those boundaries need to adjust on it, even sometimes on a daily basis. So I think being very aware that, um, those boundaries exist, but sometimes they can fluctuate just a little bit depending on what is occurring even on a hour to hour, sometimes basis with, with kids that are high needs like that.

that have 1st of all, can I just say, in my opinion, every kid is a special needs kid

Yeah.

they all have special needs,

Yeah, they do.

matter what they are. They all have special needs. And that's why we have to meet them as much as possible where they are. With kids who have, let's just say, if we're going to use the word, you know, special needs as a poor, as a form of disability or

Yeah.

uh, it's really, it's, it's, it's still meeting them where they are,

Yeah. Yeah.

still understanding where they are. And my other big shout out to those parents is it's not a reflection. When your kids misbehave, let's say right out in public or do something that is, you know, and people are looking, it has no reflection on you.

Right. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

that. Like, take your ego out of it. You're a mom doing the very best you can. You're a dad doing the very best you can. It doesn't mean that you are anything other than a parent doing the very best they can, a grandmother doing the very best they can. So just take your ego out of it and stop thinking that everybody's looking at you and judging you and if they are, poo poo on them.

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. I want to go back to what you said about special needs, by the way, because both my, my kids would be like mortified that I even said that. -I want to say :there are kids that are special needs from day one, but then there are special need moments. I think with. All kids. Yeah. And, um, and I would say that even, and even I, I would say highly needs that there are moments with our kids that maybe they're going through something that's creating a lot of anxiety or they're going through a situation where they're feeling extra sad and, um, I hesitate to say depressed, but it could be depressed, but there might be special needs moments where you need to have different parameters for a highly needs time.

absolutely. I love that. And that's true for any kid. You know what? That's true for, for

I was going to say, I was gonna say for me too. I have high needs moments a lot. Let me tell you.

I mean, we all do because life isn't fluid. It's very demanding

Yeah,

there is a lot that we are challenged with and by. So of course, there's going to be special needs moments. I love that. I'm going to, can I steal that from you?

you can steal it. Yeah.

I'm gonna steal it. I'll just, I'll just borrow it and if I, I'll just give you credit if I

Okay. Okay. Okay. So we've got creative vision and we've got communication. What's the last C?

The last one is connection.

Hmm.

And I don't want the listeners to be thinking, Oh, that's like, I can't do that. You know, my child is whatever. Connection is, can be free. And you don't need a PhD to do it. Uh, a super simple example. uh, after all the lunches were packed, I didn't do it. The kids finally did, um, on their own.

I would sneak in and replace their napkin with one that I had written a note on. And if nothing else, it was just a heart, which when they got to a certain age was mortifying. And I enjoyed it even more. Or a bite of the sandwich, right? Cause then they'd be like, my mother bit my sandwich, but I

That's hysterical.

just thought it was funny.

I thought it was funny too. Uh, but see, that's just a little unspoken connection.

Right. Yep.

have to be a big deal, just,

the,

a post it note.

and that connection is so personal to you.

Exactly,

I mean, like the bite out of the sandwich that probably imprinted on both of your kids minds. Like, yeah, that's my mom. That's my mom. You know, every morning I would wake, if the kids were hard to wake up, I would turn on the music so Loud and I always had a specific song which I'm not going to at least for a year I had about a specific song that I played and I won't repeat it because the kids will be mortified But and I would sing and dance until they had to get up but those kids that's what they think of now They think okay mom crazy, but Loved me enough to make it fun for me to get out of bed in the morning, you know,

exactly. So, and it, and that's why, like, I, Like sometimes people, like, if I'm working with a family, they'd be like, well, give me some examples. And so then we can come up with some, but it would be pointless. Not pointless, but like, it is so individual

right

hate to give tons of examples because viewers and listeners are probably like, oh, I could do this.

Or, oh, that would be so fun. I could do that. Or, you know, whatever it is. I mean, just, just silly things. But. There's no book on how to connect with your kids because it's real personal. It's just you and your, it's just you and your kids.

your own

be the same for each of them,

right Well, that's a good great point, but it's your own leadership style again getting back to CEOs, you know, every CEO Builds their own culture. You're building your family's culture through Unique connections and such

Yes. Thank you. Because. culture equals legacy

hmm

I am a huge fan because when we create our vision, oftentimes assigned or attached with that is a version of what that legacy is. And so that was beautifully timed by we, it's like we rehearsed this, but we

We didn't we didn't

unfolding. This is great.

Well, you know, I just have to say this is again I have too much personal stuff here today, but so before I before I had kids and became a mom actually, even during I had kids, but I was in the workplace and I Loved I loved it I loved everything about it. I was in business. I enjoyed all of that. So hearing you tie parenting back into business, it's just like making my, all my, all my connections, you know, work in my brain.

It's, it's like a beautiful place to be. Right.

10 years, uh, doing, I worked for a consulting firm and I did a lot of resumes. It was kind of like a headhunter, uh, firm and for executives. I did a lot of resume creation. And so Trent and I learned that so early in my career, right out of grad school. And so I've always been anchored with the transferability of things. So, like, transferable skills,

Right.

anything, which is how I think 1 of the reasons why this came to me so easily. Because these are just another example of transferable skills. And really, you know what, Andrea, if we think about it, isn't life very transferable?

Oh, absolutely.

mean, everything we do can be applied, which is why resume writing shouldn't be that hard.

Because especially like stay at home mothers, at home parents, you guys are the easiest because you've got

Oh, right. You've got a whole laundry list of stuff.

of skills. So yes, you are correct.

So you've got a parent that is, um, a little uncertain. They've been a parent for a few years and they now want to take the reins and become the CEO of their family. I know you've got a whole protocol that you, that you work with people on, but in a snapshot, what's one thing they can do today? To help them take that step forward to being the leader of their family.

Just do it.

Like Nike says, just do it.

Nike says, just do it. Because that 1st step, if okay, let's back up for just a 2nd, if you've not been that having that posture within your family, how much fun will it be when you actually assert yourself, convince everybody that you're actually for real. Like, I don't know about you, but I do have a certain endearment towards being disruptive.

I just think it's fun. I've always been a nonconformist and families, people within families who are willing to be a little disruptive and just stand up for the first time and say, no, no, no, I'm like, I'm serious right now. Like, that's not going down like this is, this is for real. That disruption, A, will get everybody's attention and B, you will have. understanding who the new chief is,

Mm hmm.

and they're begging you to take control. They are begging for somebody to take control and mother or whoever it is, mom, dad, grandmother, aunts, whomever is the leader of a particular household. Kids are so begging to know who they can follow and better you than somebody social media.

Okay. I think that just sums it up very, very well. Janet, we're going to have, um, your contact information in the notes and everything, but real quickly for people that are listening and just want to jot it down, how can they find you? And, um, real, in a bubble, what, what, what can they expect from your services?

Uh, well, they can expect a little disruption, uh, but a lot of, you know, just a, it's it. The thing is, is that we want to empower parents that they can do it themselves with competence and competence. And it's really just making that bridge. So I mean, I'm so easy to find just my name, Janet Krebs. com. You can go to parent shifts. dot com. Uh, because that's surprising, right? Shifts make, make some shifts. Uh, parent shifts will give you some downloadable fun things and, um, just, just do the work or just reach out and get started. You can do this. Like anybody can do this and have fun doing it.

That's right. You just need to believe. You just need to believe.

That's right.

Thank you, Janet.

Thank you so very much.