AI Architect Chris Carr: Charting the Course for a Digital Future

Ready to unlock the mysteries of Artificial Intelligence? We embark on a fascinating journey with Chris Carr, the maestro of AI and the mind behind Farotech. We start off our discourse with the power of small efforts and their monumental contribution to success, drawing insights from the wisdom of timeless authors such as Robert Collier and Napoleon Hill. Chris tells tales from his MIT AI study days and discusses his instrumental role in helping companies swim rather than sink in the swiftly flowing river of AI progress.

We then dive into the mesmerizing world of AI through Chris's eyes. He discusses his youthful venture of seeding Farotech and nurturing its growth over the years. We plunge into the current state of AI, scrutinizing both its sparkling positives and shadowy negatives. There's a colossal AI comet hurtling towards us and Chris emphasizes the urgency to prepare for the impact. He brings us an enlightening snapshot from his comprehensive presentation on AI, focusing on its present state and the potential of large language models.

We then look forward to AI's impact on the world, the wonders of the ADA code interpreter, the magic of ChatGPT in music and video creation, and the ethical conundrums that AI presents. We also chew over intriguing scenarios like the digital resurrection of Elvis and AI's capability to churn out music custom-tailored for individuals. We round off our conversation underlining the criticality of responsible AI use and predict potential hurdles in the race to AI dominance.

About Chris Carr:
Chris Carr is the President and CEO of Farotech. Chris started Farotech over 22 years ago and is widely considered an expert in AI technologies, Digital Marketing, Video Production. Chris is the host of two podcasts, Thought Leader Magazine and Digital Marketing Masterclass. Chris hosts AI Workshops around the country, helping to walk companies through the rapidly evolving AI space.

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Transcript

Announcer: 0:01

Entrepreneur, author and financial consultant, Marc Bernstein helps high-performing entrepreneurial business owners create a vision for the future and follow through on their goals and intentions. Ang Onorato is a business growth strategies to blend psychology and business together to create conscious leaders and business owners who impact the world. Founders Forum is a radio show podcast sharing the real stories behind entrepreneurship as founders discover more about themselves, while providing valuable lessons and some fun and entertainment for you. Now here's Marc and Ang.

Marc Bernstein: 0:35

Should I get back home? I never did that before. I wanted to sing along to my own music, so I've never done that before. Anyway, good morning America. Happy to be here on this cloudy day in Philadelphia. I haven't had to say that for a while because we've had so many sunny Wednesdays for the last several weeks, but we've got a great guest line up this morning and let's get right into it. So you know, every once in a while we I pull out some quotes, because I'm a collector of quotes, and I was reading one this morning Ang and Chris, our guest, Chris Carr, who I'll introduce in a few minutes, and this is the quote. Success is a sum of small efforts, repeated day in and day out. So, Ang, what do you make of that one?

Ang Onorato: 1:21

Yeah, I love that. You know and you and I were chatting earlier today about having like an effective morning routine and that was something I've struggled with over the years and I think I've understood the importance of doing the small micro things. You know, little micro habits that lead to the bigger successes, and I just think it's been transformational. So I love that quote and it's a good reminder every day to help me get out of bed and get moving.

Marc Bernstein: 1:47

So that was Robert Collier. By the way, I know you did a little research on Robert Collier. I know that name, but I can't remember what he's known for.

Ang Onorato: 1:54

Yeah, so Robert Collier is, you know, along the lines of a Wallace Waddles and you know that era of new thought leaders, you know metaphysical scholars, things of that nature. So you know, I think he started writing books in the early 1900s and it's amazing how relevant it still is today. I love it.

Marc Bernstein: 2:13

He's from the class of Napoleon Hill, I would imagine too.

Ang Onorato: 2:17

Yeah, exactly.

Marc Bernstein: 2:18

For our second show we'll record today. We're gonna talk about Napoleon Hill a little bit. Chris. What do you make of that quote?

Christopher Carr: 2:24

Well, I think it's funny how things just keep recycling and coming back again. You know there's one of the best-selling books right now. It's Atomic Habits.

Marc Bernstein: 2:32

Oh yeah.

Announcer: 2:33

Everyone's making it sound like it's the greatest thing since last read Right new Something like you said these habits are.

Christopher Carr: 2:39

You know what makes the man, what makes the business, what you know just what makes things tick. I once heard that like a great entrepreneur is judged like is he absolutely, almost bored with his job and the aspect of he's it's so repetitious of doing things great? You know, better and better and better. You know, like Chick-fil-A, they didn't want to try to take over the whole world, he just said I want to make chicken the best possible way we could. And then, once he got that down, it was like became nuclear.

Marc Bernstein: 3:08

And there are lines to get in. Yeah, incredible. Yeah. And the other thing you know about, not that there aren't new ideas, there's new, there's new versions of ideas. But Napoleon Hill in the 1980s, I had a group that studied the law of success. It was like the success Bible and there isn't too much, you hear, that's not in there and that was written in the early 1900s, along with Robert Collier and these other people. Yeah, pretty amazing stuff. So all you got to do is get to the basics and they still apply, although the basics are changing because of AI, which we're gonna talk about today.

Marc Bernstein: 3:43

So let me tell you about Chris Carr. He's the president and CEO of Farotech. He started the company over 22 years ago we did the math this morning that made him 23 years old when he started the business and he's widely considered an expert in AI technologies, digital marketing and video production. Chris is the host of actually three podcasts the Thought Leader magazine and digital marketing masterclass, along with a newer one, business innovations, ai and I think, chris, I'd like you to have give a little plug for those podcasts at some point, because I think our listeners will find some interest there. Chris hosts AI workshops around the country and he helps to walk companies through the rapidly evolving AI space. And we say rapidly evolving, we're not kidding, right, that's right.

Marc Bernstein: 4:30

And I also just want to mention that he's finishing up a certification in AI at MIT. We were talking about some of his experiences there, which are kind of fascinating. So with that, chris, tell us how you got from, how you got to starting this in in 20 at 23, because that's an interesting story. And then I want to hear a little bit. We would like to hear a little bit about how you progressed over the years to where Farotech is today. Sure, sure.

Christopher Carr: 4:56

Well, you know it's. It's kind of we were talking before the show. It's kind of like the familiar road of every artist. Somehow there was like a girl that you know was the catalyst right, and so I dated a rock stars exactly yeah, dated a girl in college, the Casanova.

Christopher Carr: 5:14

We broke up the Casanova that I am thought, hey, you know what? She's an artist, I'm gonna put her art online and that's gonna be the missing link and she'll come running back to my arms and all that stuff. And so I tried to hire somebody. They couldn't do it. Then I tried to hire another company they couldn't do it. And so I was like you know, to heck with it, I'll learn programming and try to do it myself. That was about six months later and I barely even remembered the girl anymore. But here I am, like knee-deep in code and things like that, and you know, I started building websites and then from websites we were talking about.

Christopher Carr: 5:44

Behind every great man, there's a woman rolling her eyes yeah, you guys that's my wife and mine, although I have to say it since we're on the radio, she's also my greatest cheerleader, yeah, and my greatest eye roller my wife isn't listening, so anyway, let's move on, yeah yeah, you know, then got into web development and web development was, you know, went from one website to two websites and then two websites to one employee, and then you multiply that, you know, over time, and you know you wake up one day and you have, you know, 22 full-time employees and 50 with 50 people, with subcontractors yeah, subcontractors.

Christopher Carr: 6:23

and so I looked back at this girl who started this whole mess for me and she has no idea like the kidney stones I have to do when I have payroll. So she's still one. She's still one. That's pretty fun.

Marc Bernstein: 6:33

Well, but you're you're. You may not have won the war yet, but I know you're. You're fighting the battles for sure so that's the way it goes, so Tell you know what. Let's talk a little bit about the state of AI we had. I told you we had another guest on who focuses on manufacturing processes is the main thing that he does, and there's so many different aspects to AI, so let's talk about that. Your view of uses of AI, your view of where you think the whole thing's headed, and.

Marc Bernstein: 7:07

You know, the positive and the negative, and you know, there's all kinds of all kinds of stuff.

Christopher Carr: 7:11

So yeah, Well, there's a lot of that I mean. So my background was I like I said I had a podcast and the gentleman that came on my podcast in 2020. It's a gentleman named Paul Roitzer and Paul had an agency just like mine. I got him on the show, I said, hey, let's talk about your agency. And he's like Evidently you didn't do your research. I sold the agency. I do this thing called artificial intelligence, and so it's an hour-long podcast.

Christopher Carr: 7:33

And by the time I got done that podcast, this was in 2020. This was like like right before COVID, and I just hung up the phone the podcast that I said to my business partner everything is gonna change and it's gonna really whack our industry and to turn transparently I'm. I refuse, after building this business for 20 years, to get rolled by this. So we're, as an organization, we're gonna get ahead of it. And I went from being completely afraid of it which in some days, some days I still am to who isn't yeah exactly to just realizing you know what this thing is like a rocket ship. And so I just kind of dove in and I've been holding on ever since and what it's done? It's just it forced me to kind of learn faster and Like a roller coaster exactly exactly, and what happened was I.

Christopher Carr: 8:22

I started to realize that the more I learned about AI and the more businesses I talked to, we were just radically unprepared for this. This asteroid that's sort of coming to earth and Chat GPT when it rolled out, november Should have been the wake-up call, and some people are just we're talking about a all the time, but we're not talking about the ramifications, where it's at, where it's going and how to be prepared, and that's that's very concerning to me, and so, while I do the lecture and it does help me grow my business it's also kind of a mission of mercy, just saying, hey, you know what? You as an organization like you need to be ahead of this, because this is not gonna stop for you.

Marc Bernstein: 9:00

By the way, this weekend was, you know, flipping channels through movies and I started watching up which I forgot I had seen before. But it's a little like that, looking up the sky waiting for the comet to attack, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, was that.

Christopher Carr: 9:13

Don't look up, don't look up. I use that in my In my presentation.

Marc Bernstein: 9:18

Oh, that's right, you did.

Christopher Carr: 9:19

Yeah, I mean this thing's coming towards earth and some people are looking at me like, oh my gosh, how do we prepare right? And others are like, oh, I don't think so, I think it'll miss. I'm like now it's coming right at us.

Marc Bernstein: 9:29

So in your presentations I've seen it, but I'd like for the audience to tell what do you talk about in the presentation?

Christopher Carr: 9:35

Well, you know, I talked obviously where, where it's at, and I'll just tell you some real quick stories about that. And then I break it down and a couple different things. One is how to leverage what's called large language models, and the most famous one that people know about is called chat GPT, and that's simply like just using natural language, just talking to a machine and getting outputs. You know, I mean I know that you have some funny stories about some of the things you did right away. You know with it, but in my industry, you know we use it to write content, write blogs, write emails, basically anything that would take cognitive thought. But it goes beyond that. I mean you can talk to it like it's the smartest Intern you've ever had.

Christopher Carr: 10:16

The second thing we do is we talk about something called. It used to be called code interpreter, it's now called ADA, which means advanced man ADA, advanced digital. Yeah, it's basically it's analytics. I'm so sorry I forget the actual term. We call it ADA for so long, but essentially what it is is the idea that code interpreter and then other spreadsheets that we are going to now have access to, you can talk to the data. I mean you upload a raw data set a spreadsheet of random things, I guess you would say, and then it imports it and you can talk to it and just say, hey, read all the data, show me some visualizations, show me some graphs, show me some correlations, show me some causations. And why is this graph going down to the right? That doesn't look like good growth. And it'll say well, if you do these three things, this is how you can make it go up to the right.

Marc Bernstein: 11:11

So it's actually like the continuation of the large language models by teaching the large language models.

Christopher Carr: 11:16

It is. It's like having a master's level data analyst right in your pocket. And then some things I'll talk to you about.

Ang Onorato: 11:23

It's almost like that's the intelligence part of this, right, Chris? So you've got the data part and you've got the communication, but to me that's almost now. It's analytics, actually using intelligence to give you output?

Christopher Carr: 11:34

Amazing. And then I talk about two other things. I talk about how multimedia, like, we have this thing called mid-journey, which you basically type into it and it creates a picture or a video if you're using runway. But a lot of people are like, oh, it's so cute, you know, I mean it's so cool, and they make pictures of cute unicorns and they show their buddies, and I was like you have no idea what they're going to be doing with this, and I can talk a little bit about that today. And then, finally, every company is going to have an AI in their building, in their business, and I want to talk to you about that is coming, that you should be preparing for that, and then how to make sure you don't do it right and avoid doing it in a way that's not responsible, that's going to basically eliminate the people in your office or, you know, to keep humans first.

Marc Bernstein: 12:20

How to do it right and responsibly. That's right, got it. So where would you like to go from there? Because you just said a lot?

Christopher Carr: 12:30

Yeah, well, tell your story about you got onto ChatGBT and what was the first thing you did.

Marc Bernstein: 12:36

Well, my mother had a 90th birthday this year. We had a party coming up and everyone was going to speak and everyone in my family knows I'm going to do it somehow with music, and so the pressure was on.

Christopher Carr: 12:46

Yeah.

Marc Bernstein: 12:47

It wasn't coming up with anything. So ChatGPT and I wrote the song together, even gave me the chords, said what kind of music do you like? And I am put. You know, I told the bands I like and the kind of music I play in my band and that kind of thing, and it came out exactly with a chord progression that I knew that was just very easy to put a melody to. And not only that usually if I write three verses in a song that's a lot. I had about 10 verses and the only complaint about the song when I did it I cut it down to maybe six and there was like did it have to be so great song, but did it have to be so long?

Announcer: 13:21

I had too many ideas.

Christopher Carr: 13:23

So yeah, anyway so you know, Andrew, have you used ChatGBT? Have you played around with it?

Ang Onorato: 13:31

Yeah, I have to say I've been using it, you know, kind of daily. I'm so not sophisticated yet, but you know, in the work that I do, what I'm still using it for is kind of a really glorified wordsmithing or word editor, to be honest. Or, you know, I will create my own content because it's in my mind what I want, and then I'll plug it in and say write this better, write it more concise, write it, you know, with this tone, and what it comes back with is like just amazing and it. So I'm seeing the time savings there, I'm seeing the fact that it makes my jumble of thoughts in my head sound like the actual thought leader that I want to come across as being, and sometimes just, you know, don't have the, the wherewithal myself to do it. So I'm, you know, using it every day but I feel like still on the tip of the iceberg. But you know, chris, one of the things in well, we'll maybe lay this question out and then take a break and then come back and really have you dive into it a little bit.

Ang Onorato: 14:26

But you talked about the fact of you know the people plant, chiming in and using it and finding a unicorn and you saying you have no idea where this is going, and I think that's something that is still so unknown and such a great area to people, which is the likeness and the images of people, right? So my sister is in the film industry and obviously we know what's going on there and you know the writer strike is done, but the actors are still fighting for what's going to happen to their images and their likeness. You know they can make whole movies now by just a single image of an actor that was walking down the street, captured in People Magazine or something. So how do you?

Marc Bernstein: 15:05

You know, Elvis is going to be touring soon too.

Ang Onorato: 15:08

Yeah, yeah, exactly Right.

Christopher Carr: 15:10

And that's not. That's not even. I mean, that's a scratch on the surface. I mean Post Malone was on Joe Rogan and he was talking about how AI would be in a scenario where it'll generate music that sounds just like me, but it'll read your social media and it'll change this, the theme of the song, to oh, you broke up with your boyfriend and you lost your dog, and it'll have every detail about you and your life. So it'll sound like Post Malone but it'll be 100% personalized to you and that was, so everyone will be Taylor Swift then.

Christopher Carr: 15:42

Basically In theory yeah, and so that's sort of how I'm circling back to Angie's question. So you were saying I was saying you have no idea where this is coming. So this is a story I tell in my lecture is that a lot of times people will get on these tools and they'll create a real cute unicorn and they're like, oh, my goodness, that's so cute looking and it's wonderful that I just said something and it just turned into a picture. But the story I tell is that my business partner's name is Todd and he likes golf and Me too.

Marc Bernstein: 16:10

Yeah, he likes golf.

Christopher Carr: 16:11

Right, and so, as someone who buys golf clubs, one of the things that these generative art things are going to be able to do is it's going to be able to read the content on Todd's phone through with something called contentai. And so every ad that Todd will see about golf, you buy from people and companies that you know, like and trust. Well, who do you think Todd knows, likes and trusts more than anybody Himself? Yes, and so these ads are going to look, in theory, just like you, so it's.

Marc Bernstein: 16:42

It's what Facebook ads now, except it's taken two generations further.

Christopher Carr: 16:46

Exactly so that golfer will look like him. It'll know what clothing Todd wears, so it'll be a blue shirt because Todd likes blue. You know if it's an Asian woman that loves her kids.

Marc Bernstein: 16:57

Todd, so far, we're exactly.

Christopher Carr: 17:02

If it's like an Asian woman who loves her kids, you're going to see iPhone ads and it's just going to happen to be, you know, an Asian woman with kids, that's holding an iPhone.

Marc Bernstein: 17:13

Chris, that's a great place to break. We're going to have a quick sponsor ad and we'll be back in a minute 60 seconds with more founders for them.

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Marc Bernstein: 18:24

We are back with founders forum, with my co-host, anjana Arado, and our special guest today, chris Carr of FaroTech. So, anj, I think you had a question that we were starting to go down that road before the break.

Ang Onorato: 18:38

Yeah, we were talking about the massive opportunity and really, maybe the challenge and, in some cases, the fear of where AI can come in and really kind of just almost take over our lives. And so, you know, chris, you and I were talking offline also about the question in the back of everybody's mind. Or the other question I would say is is this going to take my job? Is it going to completely, you know, take away my entire industry, right? So a part of what I do is an executive recruiting and you know AI can very easily post jobs and find candidates and do all of that. So one of the questions I have is how are you? You're educating and you're a thought leader, but what are you finding in terms of you know, how do you keep your people engaged and, as you said, keep the humans first before the work, and then, where are you seeing it changing in terms of what kind of roles are emerging and how do you reskill people to keep up with the pace of AI and jobs and all kinds of things of that nature?

Christopher Carr: 19:36

Yeah, it's a great question, and it's one that I get all the time. I think one of the first things that I would say is that you are not going to lose your job to AI, but you will probably lose a job to another individual who is using AI if you're not willing to use it, and so what I really preach is that, whether you are a company or an individual, this is a toolset you want to be. You know better than your neighbor, better than you know my same neighbor I mean literally the person in the cubicle next to you and so the important thing to do is to know that technology is not going anywhere. In fact, it's just going straight up, and so my recommendation is to upgrade your toolset as an individual, but also as a company. You know, you want to upgrade your, you know, upscale your employees and you want to be able to make sure that you're teaching them these technologies, because, while I do believe there will be a lot of jobs that are eliminated by AI and I can talk to you about a little bit of those but a lot of what we're going to see is they're going to be augmented or changed and you're not going to be doing the same job, but you will be doing a job at a different level, with a different level of efficiency, all because of these tools.

Christopher Carr: 20:47

And so, to tell you, this is a little bit of the wild west. We don't entirely know, but I know there are certain sectors, like if you are a coder or if you do, you are a translator like changing, you know, like translating, like language and stuff, it's going to really whack your industry. I'm marketing. It's going to hit my industry, like you know, like a sledgehammer. And so you know, I don't say that glibly, I say that as a person who's in the crosshairs.

Marc Bernstein: 21:13

So it is. So someone who's willing to embrace AI and change with it and perhaps learn new skills around it should be fine in theory, although we don't really know for sure how it's going to work.

Christopher Carr: 21:24

That's right, and if you're not in your own job, at least you'll be. You know you'll have enough skills to be able to find a job and maybe another space. It's not like you're going to be on the bread lines. You know what.

Marc Bernstein: 21:34

I mean yeah, chris, you're a future looking guy. You're a forward looking guy. Yeah, as you know, I'm in a company and our slogan is March Forward. So we're always forward looking and we embrace, we get clients who are forward looking. So my question to you is looking out to the future. So let's talk about three years from now, one of my favorite questions that we like to ask us if this were fall of 2026 and you're looking back on the last three years, what would have to happen into your business? What would have to happen, if you want to, in your personal life, professional life, for you to feel like that was a successful three year period?

Christopher Carr: 22:10

Well, the first thing and I'm going to keep most of this to AI is the first thing I would do is is that, as an individual, I want to do everything I can to know this, to know all the things that I can. I want to know the large language models, I want to know how to use Jatchi BT, I want to be able to understand how to talk to my data, and I want to understand how AI can be implemented into my company and how I personally can take advantage of that, because there's going to be a lot of individuals and a lot of companies who are going to do the ostrich maneuver, where they bury their head in the sand, and those people won't be around for long.

Marc Bernstein: 22:46

I just want to stop you for one second. So you're an AI company, but it's really what you're becoming. Who is still figuring out how to use AI in your company for your own use, as well as your clients' use Every minute?

Christopher Carr: 22:58

I have AirPods in all the time. I don't listen to the radio one forever. I know you're a music guy and I apologize for that, but it's changing by the minute and while I don't think the average person has to know the idiocycracies like I do because I'm kind of like preaching the Sunday sermon on this but I do believe that they have to know this and they have to get training, and I don't wait for your employer to give it to you. You probably have to go out on your own time and tool up for this.

Marc Bernstein: 23:22

Well, as you mentioned earlier, you live, sleep and breathe AI, so I'm going to ask you a little bit about that. I know you're not listening as much. I know you're reading books, so we'll talk about that. What challenges do you think you face, what obstacles being your way of accomplishing your vision of and I'm not sure you finished the vision because I stopped you at learning but let's finish your vision and then I'll ask you what obstacles are in the way.

Christopher Carr: 23:47

Yeah, and then the next thing you do is just that you want to experiment with these things.

Christopher Carr: 23:51

In other words, don't wait for the industry to pick the AI industry to pick the Nike of the industry, meaning what I mean by that is like the one company to dominate, because there's about five or six companies that all I expected to have like a trillion dollar valuation, and I don't believe it's just going to be one winner.

Christopher Carr: 24:08

I think it's going to be a combination of maybe four to five major winners and I'm afraid that people or companies are just waiting way too long to try to let the dust settle and, in the meantime, their competition, if they're using these tools, they are rounding. Second, it's not like, oh, they're just halfway to. First, these tools are rocket fuel and so if you are a late adopter, even if you catch up, you're not going to catch up nearly as fast. You know there's a there's like an investment expression that says like if you invest from age 20 to age 30 and stop and someone else invests at age 30 forward, it's a very good chance that that individual, just because they started late, won't catch you. And in some ways, that could possibly be true for AI, and I I say get involved early.

Christopher Carr: 24:59

It's like another moon race in a sense, it's absolutely a moon race. You know, and you as a company, where we're a, we're a big fish in a very small pond. I would not let me rephrase that. There are companies out there, like everything from Tesla to Microsoft to Google and things like that, that are making tectonic take, tectonic shift in in how we communicate as a civilization, as a humanity, and and it eventually ripples down to us. But keep in mind that these companies have no Desire to slow the train down right, and so it's gonna be really important for you to you know, to do the things that are necessary to keep pace.

Ang Onorato: 25:43

Literally a race to Mars as well, you know, and that's also a yeah, we don't have a lot of time left, chris, but you also mentioned that's a good segue into the Hoping that people do the right thing. But where do you see regulation or potential regulation playing a part, if at all?

Christopher Carr: 25:59

Yep, yep, that's a great question. Just in the real quick version is that they. I'm pro regulation, but I also believe it was something called regulation capture, and what I fear is is that these big companies are Racing to regulations so that they can stop the smaller companies from gaining advantage, because the smaller open source companies have a way of leapfrogging these big companies. And so every time I see regulation, I think it's good for humanity, but I also have this quibono thing in the back of my mind that's saying these guys aren't just like asking the federal government to put brakes on what they're doing. I think there's a strategy behind it.

Marc Bernstein: 26:37

Chris, I'm not sure we still finished your vision, but as you were talking about the vision, you talked about the obstacles as well. Mm-hmm, let me jump for a second, because we only have about another minute. You mentioned that you're not listening to music. I get it, I understand why, and I know that you're reading. What are you reading? Because that might be educational to our listeners too.

Christopher Carr: 26:54

I'm sure it has to do with AI well, the joke I have is that people say, what, what's the best book you've you've ever read? I said, well, probably the last one. I'm right, right, right. I'm reading one now called genius makers by Kate Metz, and it basically gives the whole origin on AI from like the early you know 60s to the present, and when you look back you can kind of Trace the pieces in reverse and it really turns the light bulb on like, oh my gosh, I get it like this is what they were planning years ago and these are the things that you're just not seeing.

Marc Bernstein: 27:28

Well, you think about it. In the 60s we saw all kinds of science fiction about robots and space and all that kind of stuff, and all this is we're looking in the rear view mirror.

Ang Onorato: 27:38

At all that already interesting, right, right well, the Jetsons had it all figured out back. You know, on Saturday morning cartoons and we're living that whole world.

Marc Bernstein: 27:47

Look, I always, I always think of. I went to the 1964 World's Fair in General Electric and they had Picture phones, you know, like the Jetsons uh-huh right, it's a big deal and all those years I kept saying where those picture phones they talked about and they never really appeared in that, in that model. Yeah, but all of a sudden our phones or everything you know, you know and it's you're carrying All everything digital in your pocket which is, and I'm sure that's that's. That's until it's implanted in our brains.

Ang Onorato: 28:14

Yeah, flying cars are next, that's right.

Marc Bernstein: 28:17

So, listen, I think we're about done today, chris, thanks so much for being here is enlightening. We may have to have you for part two at some point.

Christopher Carr: 28:24

I mean wonderful.

Marc Bernstein: 28:25

Thank you all for listening today to Founders Forum. Thank you and everybody, have a great day and we'll see you next week.

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