Harnessing Audacity for Entrepreneurial Victory: Insights from Dr. Bruce Grossinger

Dare to unlock the secrets of audacity in achieving success? We've got you covered. Join us as Mar Bernstein, Ang Onorato, and our esteemed guest, Dr. Bruce Grossinger, lead a riveting exploration into the boldness required for entrepreneurial triumphs. Drawing from Benjamin Disraeli's inspiring words, this episode delves into the fusion of daring belief and strategic action. As an innovator in the financial services sector, Marc shares the thrill of disruption while Ang addresses the psychological fortitude needed to trust in one's extraordinary potential. Dr. Grossinger's narrative of establishing a thriving medical practice showcases the sheer tenacity and self-belief vital for overcoming barriers and the strategic shifts that can define a career.

Touchdowns aren't only achieved on the field; they're also scored in life's endeavors. This rings true as we assess the Philadelphia Eagles, discussing the influence of coaching on the team's prowess and contemplating the necessary enhancements for a stronger defense. While sports commentator Howard Eskin weighs in on player accountability, we bring to light the parallels between the Eagles’ strategies and the adaptability required in the medical field amidst shifting healthcare policies. For anyone looking to infuse their journey with humor, health, and happiness, this episode is an essential listen.

About Dr. Bruce Grossinger:
Dr. Bruce Grossinger is the Founder and CEO of Grossinger NeuroPain Specialist and Philadelphia PRP Stem Cell Institute.  He is a Board Certified Neurologist, and Creator and Host of Rover Sports and Medical Specialist on the Eagles post game show with Jakib Media.

Connect with Dr. Grossinger:
Website phillysportsdoc.com
LinkedIn linkedin.com/in/dr-bruce-grossinger-9928b572 

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Transcript

Announcer: 0:00

Entrepreneur, author and financial consultant, Marc Bernstein helps high-performing entrepreneurial business owners create a vision for the future and follow through on their goals and intentions. Ang Onorato is a business growth strategist to blend psychology and business together to create conscious leaders and business owners who impact the world. Founders Forum is a radio show podcast sharing the real stories behind entrepreneurship as founders discover more about themselves, while providing valuable lessons and some fun and entertainment for you. Now here's Marc and Ang.

Marc Bernstein: 0:35

Good morning America. Good morning Ang. Good morning Arlo. Good morning to our guest, dr Bruce Grossinger. Good morning. I'm sorry, arlo, I didn't get to walk you this morning. I'm fighting a cold here and we're going to do the best we can, pumping up with liquids as we do this, and it's going to be a great day. On the show today, I can tell we're going to have a lot of fun today. So I have a thought for the day, Ang. It's a quote and it's by Benjamin Disraeli Success is the child of audacity. How does that resonate with you?

Ang Onorato: 1:08

You know, I love that because we talk a lot about, you know, taking risks and failures and things of that nature. But I love audacity because a lot of times, you know, all we do all day is talk with entrepreneurs, right, and sometimes it's not about all the things, but it's about the stories in our head and sometimes we just need to be able to say you know what? I'm going to be so outrageous and audacious to believe that I can do this, and that's the jumping off point, I think, for a lot of people. So I love that and I embody that in more of a mental way than all the other things come behind that right.

Marc Bernstein: 1:40

Yeah, I will just say in my business I don't think most people would look at me and say, hey, he's an audacious guy, except unless they see me on stage, jumping off the stage and stuff like that. But in general life I don't think people view me as audacious. But our model for our business you and I were talking about it this morning is so unique and it's a vision I've been chasing for a lot of years and we're pretty much there now that I think that was different, because I think we're disruptors in the financial services industry and there are very few like us. So I think about that a lot actually, and I picked that quote because of our guest, dr Bruce Grossinger.

Marc Bernstein: 2:16

As I mentioned, I usually don't introduce him till after this discussion, but I think that would be a good jumping off part. So I'll give you his background. He's founder and CEO of Grossinger, neuropain Specialist and Philadelphia PRP and Stem Cell Institute, which is the subject I'm very interested in, and he also is the host, along with a son, spencer, of Rover Sports on this very station, wwdb AM in Philadelphia, and has a podcast as well, and we'll get into that a little bit too. But, bruce, talk about audacity and how you see yourself in that realm.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 2:51

I've always thought of myself as a guy who is bold, particularly when I was younger I tackled a lot of challenges. When I went to Delaware County there was one neurology group with 15 people. Nobody had the audacity to compete with them. I went to their. This was a different time in 1990, where I was able to go to their main Joule hospital, taylor Hospital, and I was able to kind of demand, you know back in those days, a six-figure salary, a rent-eferred office, and I told them I would cover their hospital 24-7 and basically the big group from Crozier that kind of looked didn't really focus on this place. So I basically drove them out like vermin and they just didn't know how to. They didn't know how to read me at all and they didn't figure me out. And ironically, after about six years of hospital work I made a business decision to go purely outpatient, to develop three operating rooms and more or less what I had taken in one over. I gave it back to them. I gave Taylor Hospital back to them and to this day they haven't figured me out.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 4:03

So I've always liked to. I've had a lot of confidence in myself. I did many fellowships so I do exactly how to run a neuro-practice, nerve and muscle lab, epilepsy lab, spinal cord monitoring, sleep studies. So as one guy I was able to basically do the same thing as their 10 guys and I had the energy to do it and so, yeah, so that's how I got started. So it took some audacity and courage to do it, but I've achieved. I guess, whatever the metrics of successes are, in my own mind and perhaps in the community, I've achieved and far exceeded my goals initially.

Marc Bernstein: 4:43

Nice. Most entrepreneurs have faced challenges. In prepping for the interview you and I talked about. You were a guy that you said you were always last in, so it was kind of a challenge. Well, there's a guy there's a guy I really like.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 4:56

His name is PJ Fleck. He's the coach of Minnesota Golden Gophers and he always had the law of twos and I think I'm inspired by him that he's always too small, too slow and too white perhaps, but this guy was always the guy who is the last guy there and always tried the hardest to succeed. So the law of twos. So I would say I was always reaching ahead. You know, I went to Lehigh University but I tried really hard. I didn't want to take a gap here and I managed to get that last spot in medical school class and succeed, finish in the top and then attack a neurology residency at New York Medical College and as the only osteopathic doctor I was able to nab that 12th spot. And then at Stanford there are no DOs in the whole area I was able to get my fellowship at Stanford. So I was always able to struggle and get that last spot. I had to claw and struggle.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 5:55

Growing up in Delaware County to a widowed mother with three boys that you know well. It was not an easy situation. I had to get scholarships and my mom worked multiple jobs. So I guess growing up at a split level at Havartown it was always hard work. There was no other choice. There was no safety net. So I think that's to highlight the audacity of a 33 year career. I guess that would be in a nutshell. That's as concise as I could be.

Marc Bernstein: 6:22

Full disclosure. By the way, Bruce and I have known each other almost our whole lives. Mothers and our parents were very good friends. Fathers are going, but our mothers are both listening today. So hi, mom.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 6:31

As our dads, as Uncle Irv, my favorite guy, with his cigar yeah, he always had a cigar in his mouth.

Marc Bernstein: 6:38

My dad and we were talking about Mary, your dad who. I have very fond memories, even though I was very young at that guy.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 6:46

My dad. He passed away when I was 10. He was 38. He had rheumatic heart disease, Suddeaf, but he left a tremendous legacy Like he was an executive in sales and paper and he was also a media guy he was a magician.

Marc Bernstein: 7:02

Our fathers did business together.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 7:03

Murray, the magician in Pittsburgh. So, I have pictures of him. So we were both somewhat well, very much extroverted.

Marc Bernstein: 7:11

I guess you could say Well, I don't know if you know this little bit, but my father, he always said I don't know what I'm going to do when I retire. So I was always talking about that and I said you got to do something. He said at some point. He said maybe I'll be a musician. And I said okay. So I bought him for holidays that year. I bought him a keyboard, never touched it, so he kept thinking about it and he finally retired. He got sick very shortly after that, but just before he did he decided he wanted to go to clown school. I don't know if you know this.

Ang Onorato: 7:37

He became Bernie the clown my sister did that Was it a clown for years.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 7:41

He was such an extroverted, was just a wonderful guy. Nothing would surprise me about him.

Marc Bernstein: 7:46

So I guess we're getting too personal, but anyway, we're glad our moms, hopefully, are listening today. If they could get through the technology to be on with us today, so hey. So let's talk a little bit about your son in Rover Sports and what you guys are doing together there and I know that's somewhat of an outgrowth because I know you work with a lot of sports figures in your practice.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 8:04

My son's much more talented than me in sports. He's followed sports since he was a small child and we've been doing fairly organized television radio podcasts right now. So I'm always going to put your son ahead. My son does. He's on Jacob Media Sports with Rob Ellis. Rob Ellis is certainly a famous sports person here. My son and I have Rover Sports in this room with Dr Steve Lewis, another doctor and coach, josh Daishi, who formerly coached D1 College basketball teams, and we have a lot of guests, a lot of friends. And my brother, doug, you know, is my youngest brother, is a sports agent for many of the NFL football players, retired football players, and we travel a lot. My son and I. We love to golf and we love to travel together. I have one son and a nice daughter and basically, for instance, the Super Bowl is coming up. We're going to be traveling with you know, and staying in the media hotel. We're going to be on radio row doing shows every day.

Announcer: 9:12

With.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 9:12

FanDuel and other things, and in my son we cover the NFL draft and everything at college basketball. So my son's also a coach for high school basketball and high school football and so we do a lot. If anybody's out there on Bruce Groessinger Facebook you'll see all our stuff and so, yeah, we have a great. There was a show growing up called Courtship of Eddie's Father with Bill Bixby and the closeness of a father and son, and I model my relationship after that.

Marc Bernstein: 9:46

That's amazing. So my son lives in Colorado but we do watch the games together every weekend when we're on the phone or on FaceTime or whatever watching. So I certainly can relate to that People. Let me tell you about my best friend. Remember that that's it.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 9:59

That's the theme song.

Marc Bernstein: 10:00

So, by the way, that was Harry Nielsen. He never. That whole show was all vocals in the background. It was all vocals by Harry Nielsen, who had this amazing voice, and he became a friend of mine towards the end of his life. We became friendly through a benefit we did together and stuff like that.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 10:16

Wow, that's a great story. So when?

Marc Bernstein: 10:17

I tell people about Harry Nielsen, I say that song was originally called Girlfriend, it was People, let Me Tell you About my Girlfriend. But then he changed it for the show His best friend, yeah, yeah, it's kind of a cool story. So let's see. So we don't want to talk about the Eagles, I don't think today we're all a little depressed about that, I'll talk about it.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 10:36

Talked about it off yesterday. I'm sure he did.

Ang Onorato: 10:38

I'm sure it's a little sore spot right now at this point in the game.

Marc Bernstein: 10:42

So in Philadelphia, I'll just say so we do have some bright spots. The Flyers are doing unexpectedly well, Sixers are having a good season so far, and then the Phillies start Spring's training soon, so a lot of good things.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 10:53

It's been good in the Eagles, played in two Super Bowls in the last six years and I think their personnel, particularly the offensive side, they're not far off. A lot of problems I have is with their coaching and I think there will be changes and part of me and I'm a, you know, lifelong Eagles fan Part of me wants them that sometimes you need a big fall in order to really recover. So I think if they, if they play the same way against Tampa Bay, they will likely lose and there will be the type of coaching changes from top to bottom to to really embrace this personnel team and, hopefully, how we rose.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 11:29

But we'll We'll start looking at secondary and linebackers because the defense is very woeful and they probably cannot beat a team with this, the way the defense is Constituted. But the offense is great. There's too many good players to to lose five out of six. So I mean, I always look at it as a chance for for you know, I think this year is kind of over but I'm looking at next year. If they bring in the right coaching staff. You saw what happened even with Nick Suriani, how they bounced back. They didn't expect that but again, certain like Doug Peterson Was here for a short time Suriani they might keep him, but they'll probably eviscerate his, his assistant coaches. But I'm looking next year to be a bright year.

Marc Bernstein: 12:12

By the way. So just a counterpoint to that. I was listening to Howard Eskin, so if you're not in Philadelphia, howard Eskin's been on the radio and TV here forever. And he he took the counter view. He said why aren't people looking at the players? He said why is it always the coaches? Now, I heard that last night.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 12:30

I heard the whole thing and I think you know why, howard because you're, because you're a, you're a, you're a needles Homer and right right very close to them close to the and and and I think he Doesn't see.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 12:43

I mean, you might see it, but he'll he'll choose to look past All the, all the terror, the horrific lack of scheme, the laziness of the coaching staff, the inability to adjust which many people, including myself and Seth Joyner and I I do the Eagles post came injured reports with Mike Missonelli. Set Joyner, I do that every week, so it's another part of my.

Ang Onorato: 13:05

I think you're also bringing up two things we just talked about, which is leadership, audacity actually three things and safety net. I heard you say so. For me, what we're describing is when the leadership is either too complacent, not audacious to you know, to put the right challenges out there, isn't bold enough to make some difficult changes that need to be to pivot in the moment, you know.

Ang Onorato: 13:27

I think the eagles went the midseason of the flipping to little complacency, a little falling back on the safety net. We've got a great, you know, offensive line or whatever, and the reality is, if you're not constantly Leading and and have you know, get over that, you got a week.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 13:45

Yeah, absolutely the Eagles became so predictable in their offense, particularly as a fan. You could just look at the formation, know exactly the play they're running, and you're up against professional coordinators on the other team and professional players who prepared for them, and particularly the 49ers, gave the the whole blueprint and how to destroy the Eagles through the middle, through the slant, through the running game, and at the same time, you've got like Jordyn Davis, who is getting fined every week for being frantically lazy and overweight. You have Jalen Carter, who is is a good player but basically ran out of gas. So you have this, this vaunted defensive line. It's not stopping anybody in the run. You have basically a lot of injuries and also you basically put all your money in Jalen Hertz and you're just bringing guys off off the scrap heap and and and you're also not.

Marc Bernstein: 14:38

You're offence aligned too. By the way, it's not what it was last year. I don't believe either. Well, we lost.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 14:44

Siamal, who I think was underrated. He his losses felt. Kev Jurgic has been injured off and on. Linda Dickerson's had an average year, not a bad year but an average year, and and obviously you know Kelsey and and Lane Johnson you know are not having there are better than average but they're not having the exemplary years. So you you introduce all these factors plus jail at Hertz with a kind of chronic knee problem, different scheme, not able to run the RPO, oh, right.

Ang Onorato: 15:15

Your safety net is not so safe.

Marc Bernstein: 15:16

Also, you're kind of crumbling fix Jalen for next year, by the way, could you take care of it?

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 15:21

Good, if they love you, put some step cells in there. I actually know that, but there, yeah, that's, it's very political, what?

Marc Bernstein: 15:27

do you?

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 15:27

sure so I deal with mostly retired players, so I don't have to deal with the politics of the of the team right, but yeah that's the story.

Marc Bernstein: 15:35

Just before our break, which will be in just a few seconds. You're an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs have Disruptions and challenges and things that get in the way. You mentioned a little bit at the very beginning Anything that comes to mind, things you've had to overcome in your practice and the growth of your businesses.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 15:52

Well, I think every doctor In the last 30 years has dealt with death by a thousand cuts the reimbursement as any doctor you talked to and you, you manage wealth of doctors. It's incredibly daunting and and nobody's gonna feel sorry for you, but basically you, the governmental intrusion in healthcare is something you don't have in law because you're bridled against it. But you know, I've managed to basically always transition transition from all hospital to then all office to doing procedures, now doing fee-for-service procedures and constantly evolving, while in parallel doing consult work in the forensic business. I've always tried to be ahead of the curve because I break even on my healthcare. You know, being a doctor I break even you know with in order to provide the care I want, but I augment that with maybe 5% fee-for-service doing, working with cases and lawyers and narratives and depositions. I've been able to augment and supplement and maintain my income through alternative measures and so that's been challenging but I don't talk about it much because I'm not viewed. I don't want to be viewed as a, as an oppressed person.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 17:11

So you really met, but it is a challenge and I know this from a lot of docs and you met it really by diversification, which is a diverse word of my business evolution and diversification, and not being afraid to just say I'm not gonna set foot in the hospital again, I can't make money here, I like to do it, I paid my dues or just saying I've got to become procedure oriented. 80% of my job is doing procedures and just evolving and being coming good at something and focusing on something and just keeping a narrow focus, not trying to always keep your eye on home base.

Marc Bernstein: 17:47

And you're a forward-looking guy, and we'll talk more about that after the quick break.

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Marc Bernstein: 18:55

We are back on Founders Forum and this is a great time to. We were talking about forward-looking. We're going to get there in a second, but in the meantime I know, bruce, you have an interesting culture in your practice and in your business, and Ang loves to talk about that, so let me give it to you, yeah absolutely Well, and now I'd love to talk about it.

Ang Onorato: 19:15

I love to the intersection between all things Philly, entrepreneur, sports and we were talking offline. We've had Dave Raymond on the show before the original Philly fanatic. I've heard some amazing stories about this unique culture that you've also built. And tell us about that, because when you think about medicine delivery, patient care, a fun culture isn't normally what you think about. So tell us how you've built that. How do you actually even look for people to join your culture that embody that? You know what makes the right fit inside your organization.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 19:48

Well, I think the right fit is chemistry. I've had Alza Fieri and Tracy Daly for 25 years as managers, so I think if you create a good culture, you take care of people financially, you offer them bonuses, you offer them elevation financially, but you also are a family. So, and when, inevitably, their kids get sick, they get COVID, their parents are always being to, always try to lean into, being nicer to them, giving time off, and the people that are truly valuable will not take advantage of that. And people who love and respect me and they know how hard I work as a guy in my early sixties now but the energy of a 30 year old, but a lot has to do with all my physician extenders.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 20:38

But when somebody comes to the office as a patient, they're welcomed, they sit right across from me, we take, we do everything longhand and we dictate everything. We don't use all these EMRs, all this boilerplate stuff. The government's trying to push us into cookbook menus but we've resisted that, treating everybody as an individual and making it feel special and that's part of our secret sauce and never giving up and dealing with people in pain. Not dealing with opioids at all, because we think that that's poison, but basically just looking in the eye and never saying to anybody in 33 years, you have to live with your pain. We've never told somebody you have to live with it. We'll always have another strategy, an alternative measure, we'll always change things up and never giving up on people.

Ang Onorato: 21:29

That's how you maintain the practice, you're holistically treating them as a complete entity and not just isolated pain area. So I'm sure you're going to tell us about that and I love that story because I've been Marc and I have been sharing some elements over the last couple of months and I've been dealing with a nagging hip thing. That has been rectified in itself. I should say the last little bit here.

Marc Bernstein: 21:50

Dr Burr's can help you with that.

Ang Onorato: 21:51

Exactly. I mean, obviously we talk about stem cells, but what are you seeing out there in terms of what's exciting for people right now in terms of new alternatives by the way.

Marc Bernstein: 22:01

Before you say that, I just want to say there's a lot of overlap with the guests. We had a few weeks on, dr Scott, and they know each other.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 22:08

Yes, dr Freed is a great guy. I've known him. He's about a year older than me but when I was at Parkview he was a guy looked up to a orthopedic and hand surgeon and really a trailblazer. Scott Freed is a trailblazer unbelievable amount of energy, very well, liked by everybody. So, yes, I emulate him.

Marc Bernstein: 22:30

I want to, but I think you're a lot like him. I think you give yourself more credit too, because I think you're a trailblazer as well and what you do. I see a lot of parallels between what the two of you guys do. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Ang Onorato: 22:41

No, I was just saying I think that's important because the world needs, we need alternative things that don't include opioids, and we need to understand the causes of root pain. That's a whole other show, and I love that you're treating people holistically in that way. We can definitely do that.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 22:56

As a pain neurologist I've got to understand the neurochemistry and a lot of what I treat. For instance, just look at concussion for a moment. I'll look at enhancing dopamine. The old way of treating concussions is stay in a dark room and wait to get better. That's not the way we treat concussions with our professional athletes. We basically use a lot of vitamin infusions, iv infusions it's another part of my practice but also dopamine supplementation.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 23:24

People that need neuro stimulants Again, they're controlled substances but there are certain people that might need riddle in adoril, siloed for a period of time that jumpstart the brain and to induce neuroplasticity of the brain. That's a real fun part of my practice. It's everything, it's all in there but it's all overlapping because the athletes that have concussions and also have orthopedic injuries and also using PRP, platelet-rich plasma or stem cells. The patients owed stem cells in an operative setting to cultivate and basically instill and transplant tissues and have them walk out of there and really almost no need for therapy and ice. That's exciting. And a lot of the people you know, the professional athletes I'm on their short list of people that come in One guy who is a former livebacker.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 24:18

He came in about a month ago. I did a whole stem on his back on multiple areas. I worked with him. I saw him three days later and I'm feeling good. And now this guy golfs every single day and lives in Arizona and there's no downtime and he just seamlessly went through it. He had that procedure before. There was minimal pain and there's a big group that's kind of taking the area. I'm not going to mention their name. They put it up into their. They have two letters in another name and I think they're kind of the Walmart of regenerative medicine but because they're so dominant they're driving a lot of patience to that. They don't think good really about them, other than take you away. You know people that need boutique care and not a guy who's been a doctor for 30 days. You know doing work that I've been doing for 30 years. That's frustrating, but they are creating a level of awareness of regenerative medicine.

Marc Bernstein: 25:16

So that's a good thing, guys. We have about two and a half minutes left. There's always time flies really fast on the show, really lightning round the questions. Three year vision we're looking back at January 2027,. We're looking back at we're on the last three years. What would have to happen to you, dr Bruce, in terms of your professionally, personally and anything else you want to add into it in terms of for that to be a successful three year period in your life?

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 25:42

Well, I want to continue to grow and evolve to maintain my good health, maintain a balance in my life between family, which is the core, my practice, in friends, in bouncing my life, staying healthy and constantly growing the practice and helping people and creating enthusiasm and happiness in my patient population.

Marc Bernstein: 26:03

Love that and tell me about your thoughts around your legacy. You've done a lot of things and I know that's of some of concern to you.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 26:09

Well, I'd like I have a daughter who's in a pen, who's going to be studying medicine. She does have a particular. We haven't even spent a minute really trying to get her to mimic me.

Marc Bernstein: 26:19

We should say her name's Sutton.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 26:20

Her name is Sutton Grossinger, very proud of her and she's always been an all star and so yeah. So I'm looking at, you know, a lot more education for her medical school and even in my 60s I'm I want, I don't want to let her down, I want to be able to continue. I don't want, I want to provide for her and my legacy would be it being a good parent, good doctor and somebody who is nice to people in their lives. That would be my legacy.

Marc Bernstein: 26:48

I like that very much. And then one other thing if you could speak to your younger self, looking back, what advice would you give to you?

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 26:57

Do exactly what you did. Just don't be afraid to have fun, to dance around the hospitals, dance at the operating room, sing, be funny. You'll always. If I had to be something other than a doctor, it would be a comedian, and that's always part of me. I'm struggling, you know it's. So I am now after the first year where I was Marcus Welby and I did draw flies. I started being funny. And that's when that's a secret sauce. No, nobody could figure me out after that.

Marc Bernstein: 27:26

So continue to be fun, audacious, have a great time, just enjoy every moment.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 27:30

Enjoy every moment. That's what I'd tell anybody for their lives.

Marc Bernstein: 27:34

Great way to go, and we are out of time. So thank you for joining us today on Founders Forum and thank you very much, bruce, for being here.

Dr. Bruce Grossinger: 27:43

Thank you for having me. Thank you, Ang.

Marc Bernstein: 27:45

Thank you, Ang. Everyone, have a great day and look forward to seeing you all talking to you next week.