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How Deborah Brandt Uses Creative Storytelling to Transform Small Businesses & Cities
Can creativity change the future of a city? In this episode, we dive into the power of storytelling, branding, and resilience with Deborah Brandt, founder of Fig Industries. As a leader in creative marketing and a champion for small businesses, Deb shares how Fig has helped revitalize local economies by connecting communities, supporting entrepreneurs, and fostering meaningful collaboration.
We explore how Fig Industries, a certified B Corporation, has navigated economic downturns and the pandemic while staying true to its mission. Deb also shares her vision for expanding Fig’s impact to cities nationwide and how creative leadership can transform businesses and communities alike.
Key Takeaways:
- The role of creativity in problem-solving and business success.
- How Fig Industries fosters local economic growth and community engagement.
- The challenges and rewards of leading a mission-driven creative business.
- Why resilience and collaboration are essential for long-term impact.
- How ethical business practices and storytelling drive meaningful change.
Whether you're an entrepreneur, a creative professional, or someone passionate about community impact, this conversation will inspire you to think differently about leadership, branding, and the future of small businesses.
About Deborah Brandt:
Deborah Brandt, owner of Fig Industries, has a passion for creative communication and an unwavering determination to help small businesses, which she considers the heartbeat of any community. A certified B Corporation, Fig Industries is a design and marketing studio specializing in branding and communications.
Deborah also founded Fig magazine—a champion for small businesses and impactful organizations—currently franchised in 3 locations and poised to help many more cities grow and thrive.
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Marc Bernstein:Good morning America. How are you? We're here today in sunny Philadelphia, beautiful day. Unfortunately not beautiful all over the country as hurricanes are approaching and all that kind of thing. But you know we are survivors. And I have in the studio not Ang today, she's out but I have Craig Lerch with me of EXP Realty Luxury Real Estate, and Craig has been on the show before and he's hosted with me before and he's considering doing his own podcast, so we're kind of doing a trial run here today. So welcome, craig, thank you. And Deb is with us and I'll introduce Deb formally in a minute. But good morning Deb.
Announcer:Good morning.
Marc Bernstein:And we are because of Deb and because I've been inspired by her story. We always have a topic of the day and our topic today is the power of creativity, and she got me thinking. I don't know what she's going to say about this, but I know it's what she does. But for me I can tell you you know I'm an artist by background. I was actually a visual artist as a kid, became a musician and you know my music is the start and the end of our show. It's from our album, the band Fretz Bridges and Skins and it's called Like Herding Cats is the name of the album. I don't say it very often, but there's a plug. It's on all your favorite streaming services.
Marc Bernstein:So, and I think about the connection between that and you know I was a music major in college, then I went to law school, now I'm a financial planner. There's a lot of creativity in all those things that I've done, especially in financial planning. I find a lot of it because you're trying to solve problems and I always found that creativity drives kind of everything that I do and I think about that often. You know we had to pivot during the pandemic. It took creativeness for me, creativity to do all that. And, by the way, deb and I were counting, we're both left-handed, and when I was bored in music school and law school because there were boring times I would count how many left-handed people there were in each of the classes, and both in music school and law school it was more than double the average, because it's about 15% of people that are left-handed and it was over 30%. It was about a third of the people.
Deborah Brandt:So what I deduced from that was that left-handed people are creative and they are smart because and we're problem solvers because we have to figure out how to make it through the world in a right-handed world.
Marc Bernstein:I think you're right. We talked about some of those ways we have and haven't done that. So that's true. So that's how it's impacted me, craig. How about you? And then we'll let Deb have the final word, because she's the master of it.
Craig Lerch:First of all, I'm not left-handed, but I know everybody that is left-handed is extremely creative. You have a left-handed personality, though I could be left-handed a lot.
Craig Lerch:I could be a lot of things to a lot of people. But this is so exciting because I theoretically do not have a creative, pretty side in me at all. I know how to create and talk to people and sell and change lives and all that stuff. That's a form of creativity but at the same time to take and I'm looking at the things you're going to talk about they're gorgeous, they're touching all the senses and you're going to touch on them. But to have that creative side, my mom was an artist, my sister could draw, my daughter, casey, is phenomenal in drawing. But to see this prettiness come together and to see a vision, it's phenomenal. And thank you for letting me be here with you because this is a side I don't know. I know how to do it in business, I just don't know how to put it down. So this is an exciting time. This is an exciting day.
Marc Bernstein:Well, that's great. I love your enthusiasm, as always, and Deb your word on the power of creativity.
Deborah Brandt:Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me here on the show today.
Marc Bernstein:Thank you for coming from Lancaster to Philadelphia it was a joy and an easy drive. Nice.
Deborah Brandt:Just a little bit of traffic. So I believe that creativity has the power to change the world and that creatives should be at every table. And you know, and we're often overlooked in the business sector, and we really do we bring new ideas, we bring ways to change the status quo and, in the case of Fig, which is the magazine that we created, it can even change a city.
Marc Bernstein:And look you are, before you said anything about it, or before I knew we were going to talk about this. I knew that about you because I know your background and I know you have a creative background, but you're a very successful entrepreneur. You're changing the world and we'll talk about how you're we're trying, yes.
Marc Bernstein:Well, we'll talk about how you're doing that. So let me introduce to you Deborah Brandt, owner of Fig Industries. She has a passion for creative communication and unwavering determination to help small businesses, which she considers the heartbeat of any community. Amen, I'm with you on that. A certified B Corporation. We need to address that a little bit too, because not everyone knows what a B Corporation is. Fig Industries is a design and marketing studio specializing in branding and communications. We'll also talk about the fact that Deborah also founded Fig Magazine, a champion for small businesses and impactful organizations, and it started in Lancaster, but she currently has franchised it in three locations and she's poised to help many more cities grow and thrive, which I find inspiring and amazing that she's doing this. So welcome officially, deb.
Deborah Brandt:Thank you.
Marc Bernstein:So let's start out with, as we always do, your story. Tell us about your background and how you came to be doing what you're doing today.
Deborah Brandt:Well, that might take more than 20 minutes. I understand my background. I am from Lancaster County originally and went to Kutztown University for a degree in communication design and then left and went to New York City and said I was never coming back. So I was in New York a long time ago in the 90s, and that's where I started and really created my career. I ended up being at a design studio and then going into Luggery Goods and Consumer Goods doing package design for cosmetics and fragrance.
Marc Bernstein:So that was industrial design in the sense that you were doing.
Deborah Brandt:It was graphic design, graphic design, so graphic design, and marketing for Ralph Lauren, for Parfum Givenchy, which is part of Louis Vuitton. And then from there I moved back to my hometown of Mannheim, or Lancaster, pennsylvania. Mannheim was where I was originally from.
Marc Bernstein:So it was a bit of a culture shock to go back the auto auction.
Deborah Brandt:Yes, which is why yes?
Marc Bernstein:Yes, so yes, but so so why did you go home?
Deborah Brandt:Well, there were a few reasons. We had been there for about seven years and I ended up with a health scare at age 28, which was a shock, and it was a reality.
Marc Bernstein:Were you married at that point?
Deborah Brandt:I was married. I married my high school sweetheart and he followed me to the New York area, Loved every second of it but was ready to, you know, for the next step and moved back to our hometown. So we had two choices either moving to Chicago or moving back to Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and we chose Lancaster.
Marc Bernstein:Wisely, so it may become the next Chicago. The way it's going, that's what we're hoping for. That's what we're working on. That's great. So you moved back there, and then what happened?
Deborah Brandt:Yes, moving back, found ourselves in the middle of this great little city but there wasn't a lot happening and decided that we wanted to find a way to shine a light on the small businesses that were in the city of Lancaster. At that point it was 2005. So I had been there for five years and I love people and I love getting involved in what's happening around me. So I really dove in to the community by that point and saw that there was a need to showcase the small business community in Lancaster County and or in Lancaster City. So I started this thing called FIG and it was a direct mail piece going outside the city to bring people into the city and support the small businesses.
Marc Bernstein:Can I stop you for one second? Yep, Because I read about the history. Why fig? Mm-hmm? Just explain that for a second because it's a great concept.
Deborah Brandt:We wanted a name that my partner and I she was a writer and I was a designer At the time we owned the business together and we wanted a name that would take on a life of its own, and so the fig fruit is a historical fruit and the seeds in the fig mean unity and prosperity, and it's also. It's a sweet fruit, but it's not pretty, and all cities are not pretty, but they're very special places, and we wanted to find a way to show the world.
Marc Bernstein:I love that meaning and it is one of my favorite foods in the world figs. So at the time it wasn't a popular fruit, now it is and, by the way, in brands.
Deborah Brandt:I see a lot of like fig and olive as a restaurant and all that used a lot lately. So remember you started. This was almost 20 years ago, so maybe we were a small part of making it more popular.
Marc Bernstein:That's what I'm thinking exactly. So okay, so anyway, I interrupted you, so you started fig, yes, and yes. And what happened then.
Deborah Brandt:So, it was quite a journey For the first five years it was a labor of love. People didn't know what we were doing, but we were these two cheerleaders for our city Five years you and your husband.
Marc Bernstein:No, this was me and my business partner, your business partner.
Deborah Brandt:Yes, two women on a mission was what that was your husband does work in the business with you now right, he is our CFO yes but he is part-time with the business.
Deborah Brandt:So over the years, when you start a small business, you also need someone that has a secure job with benefits. Right gotcha, we've taken turns over the years Good financial planning. Now we have that with our business and he's part of that with us. So it took a while for people to understand what we were doing. About five years into it, my business partner left. I became a sole proprietor and that's when I expanded and moved Fig into other locations.
Marc Bernstein:Gotcha Fig the magazine.
Deborah Brandt:The magazine yes, yes.
Marc Bernstein:And how is that going today?
Deborah Brandt:So it is going very well After almost 20 years. We are incredibly involved in the city of Lancaster and if you've been there, it has been quite a revitalization, mostly in the past 10 years. The magazine itself we've franchised, so we are in several locations across the country and our design and marketing studio, which we haven't talked too much about, called Fig Industries, is also thriving and we work for small to mid-sized businesses as well as some regional larger organizations.
Marc Bernstein:Deb, we always talk about on the show that being an entrepreneur is not necessarily the smoothest of rides, so you've had some challenges along the way. What kind of challenges do you think you've had and what kind of strengths did you develop to overcome those?
Deborah Brandt:Wow, where to start. So, as a creative business owner and the leader of a design and marketing studio, you know there's creativity all day, but you don't really learn how to be a leader and how to lead other people. So it's taken me quite some time and I've grown over the years, you know to really understand and love that the people within our organization. That is our product, that's who we are, and we're only as good, essentially, as our next edition of Fig or our next creative project. So I value the people who are with our company so much. We have about 12 people. We have some part-time people as well, so it's taken me some time. I will say that I feel like I've. You know, my word is resilience, because our company not only made it through all of those challenges, but also through, you know, the economic downturn in 2009 and 10 and then a pandemic.
Marc Bernstein:Right, yes. Well, resilience is a big word these days. You heard it a lot all over the world. You know, you look at, I don't bring politics in this, but you have a war in Ukraine as an example and the resilience of the Ukrainian people, which has been remarkable. But certainly as an entrepreneur, it's a word that you need to have handy at all times, right, yes? So where do you see this going from here? And I know let's talk about your three-year vision, because I know that's one of the things that you had brought up.
Deborah Brandt:Yes, very important. Our three-year vision is to be able to take this FIG platform and this buy local, love, local small business platform and put it in the hands of creatives in great cities around the country so that they can lead their communities and make change in their communities, because I do believe that creativity, as I mentioned before, can change everything.
Marc Bernstein:And that's Fig the Magazine With that. This is a great time to take a quick commercial break, but I want to come back and talk to you about how the magazine does that and the impact of what you're doing in your businesses would be great. So we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back on Founders Forum.
Announcer:Fig Industries is a strategic marketing agency specializing in brand development and design. As a woman-owned certified B Corporation, they're on a mission to elevate ideas, change perceptions and transform businesses. With a spirit of collaboration and a mission to help revitalize their hometown of Lancaster, pa, in 2005, they founded FIG, an enthusiast guide to local dining, shopping, arts and community, shopping, arts and community. Almost 20 years later, fig is still celebrating Lancaster City and can also be found in the Lehigh Valley and Columbia, south Carolina. If you are an entrepreneur who wants to start FIG in your area, find out more at figmagazine. com.
Marc Bernstein:We're back on Founders Forum with our guest today, Deb Brandt, and we have Craig Lerch in the studio. Welcome back, Deb. So I know what your magazine does and I know how it has an impact, but describe to our audience how you're making an impact in cities through Fig, the Magazine.
Deborah Brandt:Thank you. So Fig is an enthusiast guide to shopping, dining, arts and community, but it's so much more than that. It really is a way to bring together all the great things in your community and tell that story. So it's storytelling All of the content within each issue of Fig. We create so our design and marketing studio, we actually take all the photos and we write all the stories and it's a way for us to. It's a way for us to let people get to know their community, because I believe that if you give people a reason to love where they live, they will transform their community that's amazing.
Marc Bernstein:So, um, you've started. So when you go to a new city and I think is Charleston one of the ones you're in- We've been in Columbia, south Carolina.
Deborah Brandt:There is a studio in Columbia that runs their edition of Fig and they do a tremendous job and they've actually been doing it for 12 years.
Marc Bernstein:So when you go in and nobody's heard of this concept before, I mean there are city magazines, but this is try to describe it to the listeners. But this is unlike any city magazine you've ever seen. It's really elegant, high class printed on great paper, and it highlights businesses primarily and what they're doing in the communities, and it talks about community building to a certain extent. Yes, so when you start brand new, how does that happen in a new city?
Deborah Brandt:It does take some time to get traction. In addition to the print magazine, there are social media channels, as well as a website and weekly e-news. So it's about how do you connect that, create that, how do you create that buzz and that energy and get people excited about it? One thing other than creativity that I'm always preaching would be collaboration. So we never come into a new city without city leadership, the mayor, people knowing that what our mission is and being part of that mission. So it really is a way to you know, create a movement.
Marc Bernstein:So now let's jump back to Lancaster, the city of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, where you've been doing it for how many years?
Deborah Brandt:19 19.
Marc Bernstein:So now it's I imagine it's a it's, it's a land. You know, it's like a landmark almost of the city. Everyone kind of knows about it.
Deborah Brandt:I would hope so.
Marc Bernstein:And how do? How do people get that? Do you mail it to people?
Deborah Brandt:Yes, it is a direct. We direct mail it and it is based on a mailing list, but also you can sign up to, you know, receive it at your home. We also are targeting new people moving into the area. So every month we send fig to new homeowners so that they can buy local right from the very start.
Marc Bernstein:Nice, so I assume this is very expensive to produce, I would imagine, because it's a really nice piece.
Deborah Brandt:I would say yes.
Marc Bernstein:And to fund that and you're not a nonprofit, so in order to make a profit, I assume this is funded by advertising from the businesses that are in it.
Deborah Brandt:You're a financial guy, aren't you?
Marc Bernstein:Yes.
Announcer:I am.
Deborah Brandt:Yes, it is advertiser driven. I will say that we also have some amazing community partners and collaborators that want and need the city of Lancaster to thrive and they partner with us and that would be the city of Lancaster, the High Foundation, Willow Valley so large entities that really believe in the city and want to help make sure that it's thriving. You know, help make sure that it's thriving.
Marc Bernstein:Some of those are nonprofits which I assume get grants to help promote the city and they use some of that money to help fund it as well. Yeah, I think the concept is amazing and the fact that it's successful. Anything that's been. I've seen things like this startup before and they last a couple of years and they fizzle out, but 19 years it means it's working.
Deborah Brandt:19 years is a long time and I do believe in the long game. This is not an immediate trying to help transform a city is not an overnight quest. It takes time and it takes collaboration and it takes a lot of resilience back to resilience.
Marc Bernstein:And I know I haven't asked you this, but I know that there's a connection between the impact you're making with Fig, the Magazine, and what you help businesses do in terms of making an impact with Fig Industries. Talk about that a little bit if you don't mind.
Deborah Brandt:So with Fig Industries, we work with companies and organizations who are either on a mission or who are invested in their communities. We do have consumer good companies that have a mission behind them. We work with nonprofits and foundations so that we can communicate their message and tell their story of how they're investing in their clients in their community. So it all ties together nicely.
Marc Bernstein:I understand and Fig Industries is a B Corporation and I don't know that all of our listeners know what a B Corporation is. So why don't you describe that and talk about why you elected to become a B?
Deborah Brandt:Yes, we are a bee corporation for about the past five years and it has always been part of our company to be mission driven, and becoming certified, which was something we've gone through twice, was a great way to measure our environmental impact, our cultural impact, the impact on our community and the bee court movement I believe started here in Philadelphia.
Marc Bernstein:Is that right that I wasn't aware of? I only know of it because a couple of years ago I was on a member of Entrepreneurs Organization and they had a conference that I attended virtually and I learned a lot about B Corporations. Yes, do you. When it comes to creativity, how do you inspire I'm sure you inspire a culture of creativity within your company, because that's what you're all about. How do you do that and how is that going?
Deborah Brandt:Well, so we, you know, every day have the opportunity to think of things in a different way, and that's how I believe that creatives can change the world, because we see things a little bit differently than everybody else the perspective of our clients, to understand the perspective of people who may be reading FIG and to think about how we can reach them differently and how we can impact communities and brands and lives.
Marc Bernstein:And so in FIG Industries, back to the branding company. I'm jumping back and forth. But what kind of things do you do as a company to impact the community?
Deborah Brandt:We're extremely involved. We are on boards and we work with organizations Because of the magazine. We're out there in the community at events and things like that on a pretty well weekly basis. So we do give back a lot. We have a social mission program through FIG where we work with a nonprofit and support them all year long with promotion in the magazine. We also, to stay creative, we go on field trips. We get involved in some really fun things that are happening Nice and we try to make sure that we keep that creativity flowing.
Marc Bernstein:And B Corporations treat their employees differently as well. You want to talk about that a little bit and what kind of things you do.
Deborah Brandt:We're measured on. The things that we're measured on are benefits, our employee benefits. We make sure that we pay at least 70% of all of the benefits. So there's lots of details that are important to be able to be certified. We also have some salary requirements about the gap between the highest paid and the lowest paid, and we meet those as well. So it's all of those things that kind of come together.
Marc Bernstein:I gotcha, what else would you have us know about Fig that we haven't talked about?
Deborah Brandt:Well. So our design and marketing team is just simply amazing and we're located in Lancaster, pennsylvania. We're not a Philly team or a New York team, but we have the quality of some of the bigger cities. We have a heart for community and, through the magazine and the work that we do, we are on the ground. So we're very, very, very connected. So I would say that the things that make us special creativity, collaboration and connection. I didn't intend for them all to be Cs, but they are.
Marc Bernstein:That's pretty good. I was trying to make some all to be C's, but they are. That's pretty good, do you? I was trying to make some jokes about the B Corporation, but I'll stop with that. But are you? Your clients, I assume, are all over the place. They're not just local, correct.
Deborah Brandt:That is true.
Marc Bernstein:Can you talk about any of your larger clients and what the kind of companies that you represent?
Deborah Brandt:So we work with a lot of, as I said, nonprofits and foundations. We work with a natural investing company called Natural Investments. Actually, they're all over the country, but we work with someone in Chicago. We work with senior living, as well as some educational institutions, willow Valley being an example of that. Yeah, willow Valley, garden, spot Village, messiah Lifeways, and then we also work in home improvement. So for some companies who are doing some expansion and building, Very interesting.
Marc Bernstein:I know you're a reader and a lifelong learner, like I know Craig is and I am.
Deborah Brandt:As you have to be.
Marc Bernstein:You have to be. Well, not everyone is, though you can't take that for granted. What? What book are you currently reading?
Deborah Brandt:So I have a stack beside my bed of about five or six.
Marc Bernstein:I'm like that too. Do you read multiple books at once?
Deborah Brandt:I didn't used to, but now I do, because some days I want to learn things and other days I just want something mindless. So this one is a learning book that.
Deborah Brandt:I'll mention, and it's called Town Inc. It's by Andrew Davis and I am actually putting together a presentation and it's been an amazing book because it talks about the transformation of cities through companies who operate there and who live there, and how your city is known for what you produce or what you make, and how each city should be known for something. So it ties in very nicely with what we do.
Marc Bernstein:And the presentation is the one we were talking about earlier.
Deborah Brandt:Yes.
Marc Bernstein:Do you want to talk a little bit about that? We just have a couple minutes left.
Deborah Brandt:So, because I've been doing this for 20 years, which is a long time, I have a lot of history to pull upon and, as I said, I believe that if you give people a reason to love where they live, they will transform their community. So it does tie in the history of FIG, but it talks about telling the stories of the businesses and organizations who are in a city and really creating that brand, because a city is an organic, living, breathing brand and it's always changing. So through something like FIG I'm not saying it has to be FIG, but through something like FIG you can tell that story four times a year and you can connect people and connect them to the places and the organizations where they can shop, they can give, they can get involved, because people want to get involved in their communities and something like this will give them a chance to do that.
Marc Bernstein:By the way, when you stay in a hotel in a city such as Lancaster, they usually have these local magazines that tell you where to shop and all that. That are, I think, pretty cheesy. Have you gotten fig into the hotels?
Deborah Brandt:Yes, the majority of our distribution is local through the mail, but 20% of our distribution is tourism, so we are in all the major hotels as well.
Marc Bernstein:So I have to think people come and see this and they're like blown away because I've never seen anything like this in a hotel.
Deborah Brandt:Just this past weekend, two people reached out, one from Indianapolis and one from Florida. They happened to be in a hotel in Lancaster and they want to know what's going on with Fig and how they can get it in their city.
Marc Bernstein:One quick question. I know it's, I know, I think I know the answer, but how do you see your legacy?
Deborah Brandt:That is such a big question for one minute of time. I see my legacy as really being an advocate for one big idea that can change everything, and for creativity and for collaboration and for encouraging creative entrepreneurs to step up and say they can lead in their cities.
Marc Bernstein:Deborah Brandt, thank you so much for being here today. Craig Lerch, thanks for being here again, thank you. Smiling throughout the show. Fantastic stuff, Deborah. Fantastic, and you gotta see this. And thank you to our listeners for being with us today on Founders Forum and please look for us online on your favorite podcasting channel and we'll see you again next week.
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