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Why Integrity is the Best Marketing Strategy for Business Growth with Nikolas Mondo

• Marc Bernstein / Nikolas Mondo • Episode 134

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Starting a business in 2017 meant navigating COVID supply chain nightmares and now tariff challenges. But for Nik Mondo, bootstrapping through chaos became the ultimate test of creativity and integrity.

Nikolas Mondo, founder and CEO of Mondo Media Solutions, built a thriving commercial AV and technology integration company from the ground up—no private equity, no shortcuts, just grit and word-of-mouth growth. From his early days working on a Lancaster farm to running live events at the White House, Nik's journey took him through a failed first partnership before he found his footing in Philadelphia. Today, his company serves clients from New York to Florida with 36 employees and nearly 80 total team members, providing everything from security cameras to conference room systems as a single-source solution. By slowing down to upgrade systems and staying laser-focused on integrity and quality control, Nik positioned his company for explosive growth—including landing the largest privately held company in the United States as a client.

Key Takeaways:

  • Integrity drives growth: Zero marketing spend—all growth from word-of-mouth built on keeping promises and fixing mistakes
  • Slow down to speed up: Spent 13 months overhauling systems to create the foundation for scaling to $70M
  • Bootstrap creatively: Limited resources demand innovation, like forming peer networks during COVID shortages
  • Values guide hiring: Lead with core principles to ensure culture alignment during rapid expansion
  • Balance your life: Success includes personal goals—Nik's prioritizing his pilot's license and getting back to cycling

About Nikolas Mondo:

Nikolas Mondo is an entrepreneur and founder of Mondo Media Solutions, a Philadelphia-based commercial A/V and technology integration company. With a passion for both business growth and building strong client relationships, he focuses on delivering innovative solutions that bring people, spaces, and technology together.

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The following programming is sponsored by Marc J. Bernstein. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect the views of this station, its management, or Beasley Media Group. Entrepreneur, founder, author, and financial advisor Marc Bernstein helps high-performing business owners turn their visions into reality. Through his innovative work and the forward-focused forum, Marc connects entrepreneurs to resources that fuel their success. Founders Forum is a radio show and podcast where entrepreneurs share their journeys, revealing the lessons they've learned and the stories behind their success. Join Marc and his guests for a mix of inspiration, valuable insights, and a little fun. Now let's dive in.

Marc Bernstein:

Good morning, America. How are you? It is not a sunny day in Philadelphia today. It's raining. And our guest today is Nik. I'll tell you more about him in a minute. But Nik, you know, I was thinking about the weather on the way in here. And I was thinking how people are really affected by the weather. My wife is always looking at the weather report, and oh no, it's going to be raining today, or oh yeah, it's going to be raining because we need the rain, but don't I don't like it. And to me, it's like I think of the Beatles song Rain, which is Rain Shine, I don't mind. You know, that's kind of like to me, I like the changes. I don't mind it. But you know, people, it seems to me people are affected by the weather. What's your view of that being a business?

Nikolas Mondo:

Absolutely. I think uh it can certainly affect people's moods, uh, you know, along with the seasons today. It's uh very gloomy, overcast. Uh you know, I've definitely had experiences where it uh I look out the window and I'm like, hmm, gonna hang out here for a couple more minutes, not ready to pop right out. Right, right.

Marc Bernstein:

Yeah, sometimes you want to stay in bed a little longer and that kind of thing. But I think without the changes, look, I live in Florida um part of the year, and of course I go in the winter and it's sunny and blue every day and it's beautiful. And then every once in a while you get rain, and I'm kind of like thankful because it's like changing it up a little bit, you know. Some some too much of the same, you know, you don't want it to be like Groundhog Day, you know. Right, right, right. So, so anyway. So our guest today is uh Nikolas Mondo, and I just want to tell you before I go into his whole intro that he and I met, we had a magical evening one night, a year ago or so, I think I don't remember how long ago it was, at the Union League of Philadelphia, where we shared a cigar made by his family, which is like kind of a legacy cigar, and it was a wonderful night, and we said, we're gonna have to get together on the show, and we're finally here. So I'm very excited about it, Nik.

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah, uh I am as well, and uh, we'll have to uh reconvene on over another cigar.

Marc Bernstein:

Um uh that sounds good to me. So Nikolas Mondo, Nik Mondo, is founder and CEO of Mondo Media Solutions. He's an entrepreneur and founder of Mondo Media Solutions, as I said, a Philadelphia-based commercial, AV, and technology integration company. He has a passion for both business growth and building strong client relationships and focuses on delivering innovative solutions that bring people, spaces, and technology together. I'm gonna change it up a little bit today, Nik. Your your your business is busting out all over right now. A lot of good things happening. Let's talk about that, and then we'll get into your story.

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah, so um, over the last several years, you know, we've seen explosive growth in almost every vertical that we're in, um, from the MSP side to uh just general overall low voltage technologies within organizations. So uh one of the ways that we've kind of expanded so rapidly is by providing multiple services for our clients once we get in the door. Um it's kind of a single source solution, total technology partner.

Marc Bernstein:

Uh for the non-techies amongst us, explain what all that means in real terms. You go into business and what are you actually doing?

Nikolas Mondo:

Aaron Powell Yeah, absolutely. So uh when we get uh initially a contract will come in to do security uh cameras or access control, uh things of that nature. That's a good start, right? That's any one of those. You know, the phone, the uh phone or they'll reach out for uh any one of the services we provide. And then once they realize that they're paying multiple vendors for all of these different services and we can consolidate that, generally saving them a lot of money. Uh that's that's kind of how we've uh continued to have such explosive growth. But um yeah, leading into uh as of late, you know, we're we're now working with the national companies. We just got onboarded with the largest privately held company in the United States. Um there's a lot of uh uh expanse and and resource allocation that we've uh we've had to rapidly uh accommodate to continue. You had to hire a bunch of people. Yeah, yes. And uh you know, the projects that we have are are ranging from you know, the the bulk of our projects are from New York to DC. Uh but you know, uh we're working on actively with projects in Rhode Island and Georgia and now Florida.

Marc Bernstein:

So hopefully I'll be able to this is a national company, so right.

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah. So it's it's I mean, uh traditionally we've just been up and down the East Coast, but we're also starting to expand west, you know, uh more frequently than we were. So the we would have legacy clients that would have us um kind of one-off uh project here or there on on the West Coast, and it's now it's you know, we're regularly seeing that as an expansion.

Marc Bernstein:

So I didn't mean to cut you off, but hopefully I will see in Florida this way. So it's great. So uh so so now that we know, we know what you do and we know it's booming. How many employees do you have, by the way?

Nikolas Mondo:

Uh well we balloon on the construction projects. Right now we're at about 36, um, and then we have a whole bunch of 1099s for the different services that we provide.

Marc Bernstein:

So um as you know, as we expect how many people totally do you have working out there today, would you say I think right now we're just under about 78.

Nikolas Mondo:

Gotcha. So um on on the between the 1099s and the fractional uh support that we have and the W-2s.

Marc Bernstein:

Gotcha. So let's um let's back up and tell us how you started. How you know, but you know, going back to because you're not from Philadelphia originally. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about how you got into business and how it morphed into what it is today. And I want to talk a little bit about the challenges you've had since you started the company, because um all but one guest on the show have had them. We were talking about it offline before. So uh yes, tell us about the beginnings.

Nikolas Mondo:

So I started uh grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, and um from out there, uh first job ever was helping out on a farm. Uh my buddy had had owned the farm, and we my dad would take me prior to school, we would go work, um, and then I would ride the bus from there into school. And that taught me a lot of the work ethic that I still have today uh growing up. My family was um, a lot of my family are entrepreneurs uh with businesses who are currently my mentors. Um uh just really drilled in and instilled the the work ethic in me. And uh fast forward uh into my uh early, early 20s, I started working at a production company where we did live events for uh concerts and and uh events. And I started in the warehouse there and worked my way up uh till I was running the sales department there, and then eventually got poached by a company uh that was the uh nationally one of the largest companies for for live events for the staging side. I from there did a lot of events at the White House, uh uh down at the National Mall, up and down the East Coast, New York. Um and uh ultimately partnered with someone that I met there doing a political event and uh started my first business. And from there, you know, uh I learned a lot uh as my first business endeavor that uh you know business can be Darwinistic.

Marc Bernstein:

Was that a staging business? Was that primarily staging?

Nikolas Mondo:

It was it was essentially what I'm doing now, just not as many uh verticals. Got it. So we were just doing kind of installation of audio and video and conference rooms and things of that nature.

Marc Bernstein:

Aaron Ross Powell What happened with that business and how did you come to start uh one by yourself?

Nikolas Mondo:

Um Well, uh we hit the ground running very quickly. Um and then it just kind of uh as some business relationships do, we just kind of uh started butting heads a little bit and then uh just ended up splitting ways. So that was uh it was a good learning tool for me and uh just kept it moving. I came back towards Philadelphia. That business was based down around DC. Okay. Um uh came back to Philadelphia, regrouped, and uh rolled right into another company, helping them facilitate their growth. Uh I was unsure what I wanted to do at that point. I had spent a lot of time in that industry and I was thinking about pivoting. Um, you know, it was a it was a real blow to you know my ego and my you know mental uh state just uh as I'd worked so hard to get there. Go back to work for someone else. Yeah. And um so uh ultimately I I worked at another company and um helped it was helping them facilitate their growth. And uh saw you intrinsically get asked for uh install installed or permanent installations when you're working in the live event space. They say, Oh wow, this is beautiful. Can you do this here for us and then we can rent this out and so on and so forth. So um with that, uh I saw the the channel there and I asked the CEO if he wanted to go down that route. Did not. So I started the sister company, and then within a couple years uh had to make the move as we were continuing to grow. Gotcha. And when did you actually start uh Mondo Media? Uh in 2017 is when uh the company was founded, and we have uh um rolled right from there into COVID and from there now into the tariff situation where you know it's been uh it's been a real fun time and a real fun journey to to start a company in 2017.

Marc Bernstein:

So so there's those um hills and valleys that we always talk about. Um what were your what were some of your biggest challenges from from that period to today?

Nikolas Mondo:

Biggest challenges I had um essentially was bootstrapping. So uh company is privately owned, I haven't taken any PE. So just uh managing uh the bootstrapping aspect uh from uh all the resources that it takes to operate a business to uh getting creative with that. So that's been that's been one of the biggest challenges with uh supporting so many verticals.

Marc Bernstein:

Aaron Ross Powell So I was gonna ask you about the skills you've developed, but creativity, I imagine, is one of them. Right.

Nikolas Mondo:

Aaron Ross Powell Yeah, I I used to deploy my creative outlet in music by playing drums, and uh I did that throughout my childhood and twenties, and then as I become more limited on my bandwidth of time, you know, my creative outlet. Trevor Burrus Bandwidth, I get it. Yeah.

Marc Bernstein:

I actually, by the way, you know I'm a musician. I have I I actually have that name, bandwidth, um, you know, uh reserved for that's great. Yeah. So I appreciate that. Because I think there needs to be a live technology, maybe you can help me with this, where bands can rehearse and perform in sync. Because obviously Zoom, none of that stuff works.

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah, there was um they were trying to do that, perform shows during code. I do remember that. Um but yeah, there's there's probably a market there for us.

Marc Bernstein:

There's I I remember one, but the Rolling Stones did a live show, and I found out afterwards they had to they had to patch it all together. There were they didn't have the technology to just perform live on this video and have it in sync. And then it still was a little out of sync if you listen to it. Yeah. So um so if they couldn't find it, it wasn't out there. There are some now, but they're very complicated to to work, and I'm I'm sure it's coming soon.

Nikolas Mondo:

It's latency issues and you know, getting all that to align. With AI, I'm sure that will continue to develop for sure.

Marc Bernstein:

I'll sell them my name when it's ready. So anyway. Um so uh we have room, by the way, for drummer once in a while in the studio if you want to come down and see it. Okay, absolutely. So, anyway, so that's where your creativity came from. And tell me how that was exercised in the business and where you had to use that. If you can give me an example.

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah, for sure. So um obviously having limited resources, we can't just uh apply all the people to the positions, you know. You have to get creative with um with how we're uh deploying resources along with, you know, uh the issues we faced with procuring equipment during COVID. That was just uh we had we we saw 24, sometimes 30 months on back orders for equipment where you know there was just uh creative solutions. We had to I formed a group online uh with other business owners across the country in the same vertical where it was like, hey, what do you have in your warehouse? How can we, you know, we kind of just all stuck together to to get the the needle moving, keep the needle moving for for our clients. Um that was a that was a big challenge. That was took a lot of creative thought to to navigate through those times for for that. And uh uh currently it's it's uh continued on to um as we continue to grow, uh getting the the right team on board. You know, we've had I've had to make a couple changes there. So that's as when you're expanding rapidly, uh I'm still trying to keep a heavy focus on quality control.

Marc Bernstein:

Um yeah, so uh thinking about that. So as you're growing, obviously there's challenges with that. And one of them, and you made talked about changes, and we might need to finish this after our break, which is coming up in a minute. But tell me about your company culture, because as things grow, sometimes it's harder to keep that together. So, first of all, what are you trying to build in the culture in your company and how have the changes impacted that?

Nikolas Mondo:

Sure. So integrity, I'd say, is the is the first word. You know, if it's if something's wrong, or if we uh inevitably, if we do something incorrect, we fix it. Um and that's that's something that was instilled to me when I was young. You know, I was told you can judge the integrity of a man by the work he does in a place that no one will see. So um I've tried to maintain that, and we've actually slowed down to speed up. That's uh that was the main thing that we did. Uh we slowed down to change our ERP software and how we were managing our projects. And uh with that, it was a challenge as anyone that has tried to uh roll through and change the software and uh that they will know that the the challenges you face with that. So um with that, you know, you lose some personnel. There's it's it can be very frustrating that's deviating from the norm of their schedules. And um uh that's that's a challenge that's it's uh something that you face when you're when you're rolling through that. So keeping the integrity uh for the people that you sometimes have to ad hoc, throw onto the uh the roster, so to speak, is is something that um you just try and make sure you're they're ingrained with with the core company values, and that's that's you lead with that when you're hiring and uh make sure that those those uh missions and core values align.

Marc Bernstein:

Love that. And this is a great place to take a break. So we're gonna take a one-minute break, and we'll be right back with Nik Mondo on Founders Forum.

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Marc Bernstein:

We are back on Founders Forum and we're having Mondo fun with Nik today. How do you like how I worked that in?

Nikolas Mondo:

I you know, growing up, it's uh there's been a lot of play with uh my my last name and uh great last name. I I appreciate. In fact, uh fun little fact here is one of my friends in high school used it, came up to me in high school with a napkin and said, Can I use your name for wrestling? And I said yes. And he ultimately became like uh one of those uh professional like backyard wrestlers. I don't remember um one of those, but it's now if you Google my name, it's he comes up next to it. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

Marc Bernstein:

Well, it sounds like it should be up that should be a wrestler's name. You know, it's great for that. It's pretty cool. Uh hey, uh, so you were we were talking about integrity as a core value of yours. Happens to be one of our core values in our company as well. And we use a very specific definition of integrity, and I'm gonna paraphrase it, but basically it's do what you say you're going to do, do it on time, and if you can't do that, if you can't keep your word, because that's called keeping your word, and this comes from a Harvard Business Journal article that's been out there and become very popular. So keep your word, and if you can't keep your word, honor your word, which means get in front of it. And that means if you know, if you're my customer, you're my client, and I can't do what I said I'm going to do on time and do it right for you, I'm gonna say, hey Nik, unfortunately this happened. Um, what can I do to undo any harm? I'm gonna cause you by I mean that's how seriously we take it. Sure. You know, if if if if that's you know, if we can't accomplish that on time. And you know, most people will say, well, it's okay, you have a few more days or whatever it is, or we're gonna really do what we have to do to undo any harm. So how does that align with your definition of integrity?

Nikolas Mondo:

Is it close to it's it's right in line. Um it's I mean, we're it's almost verbatim, you know, and that and that I think that that applies to every industry. Um, you know, and if the if your core one of your core values is integrity, you know, the main thing that we've have focused on is managing expectations, you know, and that that goes a long way. And uh the clear and concise communication with your clients and and being honest, you know, um that's that's really what has led us to be at the point where we're at as we've to date have not done any marketing. Um I have I've spent zero dollars on marketing and um it's been word of mouth all the way. Or they've just called, you know, and um uh you know we are doing heavy SEO now and it's it's you know, we're seeing the benefits of that, but uh going back to the integrity side, it's it's it's something that, you know, leaving that as a core value, um you you're not gonna go wrong.

Marc Bernstein:

You're right where we are. We've never ours our business obviously is all word of mouth as well in the financial planning business, but we are now also looking to start marketing because we have something special we feel going and we need to get the word out there. So so I get that. So I I wanted to bring up that distinction because most people when you ask them what integrity means, it means telling the truth or being honest, or you know, but that's a quality. And integrity, the way you're using it and the way we use it, is about action. It's about things you do, you know, how you communicate, doing what you say you're going to do, being on time. You know, there's a lot a lot loaded into that, yeah. But it's not just a quality, it's about uh your actions, yeah, which which I I I thought it was important to make that distinction. Uh so let's talk about if if we were so it's October now, I don't know when you're listening to this listeners, but it's now October of 2025. If it'll be closer probably by the time you're listening, but if we're it's October of 2028 and you and I are together having a cigar, you know, whatever we're doing, and we're looking back on the last three years, what would have to happen in your life and it could your business and it could be your personal life if you'd like. But what does that vision look like for a three-year period where you would say that was a successful three-year period in my life and in my business?

Nikolas Mondo:

Absolutely. So the last as of last year, I the came to the fruition of my five-year plan. And uh this year, I'm as of this year, I'll be resetting uh my next five-year plan. This the three-year uh for me is going to be focusing on personal goals. I have really pushed hard and spent a lot of time and resources uh personally into building the business. Um, three years success line for me look to be able to continue to put people in those positions where uh they are handling more of the day-to-day operations. Um personally, I'm working towards uh like to get my private pilot's license and uh get back into cycling. I had a back injury where uh I've been doing PT. I'm trying to recover from several herniated discs. I had back surgery prior. So for me, I'd love to be able to golf and and kind of just go out there and do the day-to-day activities again and and get back a little bit of the personal side, the social side of myself. Cycling is bicycle bicycling.

Marc Bernstein:

Yeah. Bicycling. Yeah. I uh you there are two of my passions, golf and bicycling as well.

Nikolas Mondo:

So it's it's when you're limited on uh the uh activities you can do because of your back, it's that's one of the that and rowing is is you know I'm kind of limited with the You were a rower too? No, I just um it's something that I enjoyed. Yeah. Uh I played hockey growing up.

Marc Bernstein:

So hence the back injuries. It doesn't help, I know. We we it's a mine's hip, so I've been a little limited with golf lately and cycling. But I did a 40-mile ride recently to the shore, which was I hadn't done that for a while, so I'm getting back to it. So was that for uh a cause? The MS ride, yeah. Okay, yeah.

Nikolas Mondo:

I've uh I had some friends do that the other year. I was I'll I will likely try and get in into uh the MS ride next year. I think that's that's something I I really would uh prefer to support also. That's a good cause.

Marc Bernstein:

I signed up to do 75, but last minute, because the the hip has really been bothering me, I said I'll be able to do this, but I may not be able to walk for a couple days, so I decided to just go with 40. But next year the plan is 75 again. So maybe we'll do that. Join our team. Yeah, absolutely. I would love to, actually. I'll commit to that. Commit to that, all right. It's a commitment. We talked about commitment the last couple of shows, so we won't get into that now, but that means we're doing it. Okay. All right, cool. I'm in. Um, so what challenges do you see with the three-year goals? Because one of the things with entrepreneurs when they say they're going to do things for themselves, my observation is the business still kind of sucks them up, you know, and and they don't always get to it. That's one possible one, but I don't want to put words in your mouth, but what but what uh what do the challenges in regard to that look like?

Nikolas Mondo:

That's that that is certainly spot-on uh assessment, you know. All of the personal uh goals normally fall by the wayside, just uh when we get back to the bandwidth statement. So uh I'm really gonna try and carve out that time uh for this this period. And uh that will be the other challenge I think that we'll face is is the continued growth. And do we open up in in another market or another satellite location uh to support the some of the resources that we need farther away?

Marc Bernstein:

Aaron Powell By the way, I didn't ask you, but uh it's unusual. People usually mention you know, we want to double our business or we want to, you know, the how much they want to increase their business. You didn't mention that. You looked which I love that you looked at the personal side. Um what does the what does that growth look like for you if you have that defined for the next three years?

Nikolas Mondo:

Aaron Powell So we just took a period of um what I anticipated to be nine months into ultimately ended up being four thirteen months for us to swap out all of our software and it was a slowdown to speed up. Uh we had to reassess every single aspect of the company from uh our documentation, our deployment, how we're operating uh internally and externally. So uh with that, you know, we're now built to continue to scale. Uh we're working on securing our uh a commercial property for ourselves to to move into. And I think that uh success for us is is the continued growth. You know, uh we have some legacy clients that our roadmap looking at that, you know, uh 60, could be 60, 70 million dollar uh down the road operation uh within you know the next five, five, six years. So it's going to be luckily all my hair already fell out. So I'm just gonna really lean on my team, you know, and uh uh and get the right people in the right positions and and trust in them and uh and make sure that um I I'm allowing them to do what they what they need to do in order to succeed as well.

Marc Bernstein:

So we talk a lot about that on the show, the putting people into their unique abilities and then let them go. You know you know, get people that can do those things better than you can do them, and you have nothing to worry about. You just have to lead.

Nikolas Mondo:

That's that's it. And I I think that um I like coaching, you know, and I don't like micromanaging. So it's it's uh it's something that uh my one of my questions is is it done? Is it not done? And if it's not, what was the roadblock? And you know, if that's if that's a trend that continues, then maybe it's not a uh an issue with the actual work itself. Yep.

Marc Bernstein:

Um so I know you're a reader. Um tell me what book are you currently reading next time?

Nikolas Mondo:

Well, normally I'm I'm reading business books or self-improvement books, and I have three books on the on the desk. You're like me. I can't ever just read one book. Well, I picked up Imminent by um that was uh Jose Elizondo, I believe, is is the is the author. And it's uh a book about uh the UFA uh UFO and UAPs. I'm just interested in that. And he was a uh uh government official or he was in the defense space for for both space and and a bunch of different acronym uh government entities, right? So uh that's a book that I'm reading, but I also just picked up all of the the flight training books that are are sitting on on my desk that you know if they're sitting there and I'm looking at them every day, I'm gonna be more inclined to uh to just start the process.

Marc Bernstein:

But it's one of those things where you haven't flown before?

Nikolas Mondo:

I have flown. Most of my uh uncles are private pilots and have uh uh different planes. And every time I go to Tampa every year for spring training for baseball. And um my uncle usually takes me flying there. And uh we go out and and fly around. And I so I've been getting lessons over the years uh privately as a flight instructor as well. So um it's just something that I would love to have my own uh license and be able to jump around and and uh maybe conduct some of these farther site surveys. Uh nice.

Marc Bernstein:

That's great. By the way, Tampa for spring training, you're going to see the Yankees, not the Phillies idea.

Nikolas Mondo:

Oh well, we'll just have to yeah, no, that's gonna be uh that's gonna be a no. Definitely Phillies through and through.

Marc Bernstein:

Okay, but we're we're so but you go to other cities then from Tampa to to see spring training, or no?

Nikolas Mondo:

Yeah, so we can you can jump around and think Blue Jays is in Dune Dune Dune. Um yeah, there's a there's a bunch of spring training teams. Everyone goes down there for you know the Grapefruit League and uh Yankees, and it's Yankees Stadium down there is beautiful at Ben. So it's it's you know, they really do it.

Marc Bernstein:

I was there for the opening when the Phillies played them, actually. Okay, wow in Brennerfield. Yeah, so and it that actually there we are. There's the sound. So we're that's all the time we have. Nik, I knew we were gonna have Mondo fun today, and we did. We started out that way, and it's been a great show. Thanks for being here. Thank you very much for having me. Thanks. Thank you, and thank you all for listening, and we'll see you next week on Founders Forum.

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